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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Charles Boening

Ah.  Got it.  I kind of figured the hardware was somewhat generic since they 
are running a Linux kernel underneath.

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Yes to all. Except hardware possibly depending on what you are using. A good 
portion of there hardware is just a whitebox with their software. EX T-Metro 
7224 is a generic broadcom switch that was also used by Alcatel.


On 7/2/2020 12:09 PM, Charles Boening wrote:
Interesting.  Appreciate the feedback.  We haven’t used any of their gear.  
Most of our switching is various Juniper flavors backed by MX routers.

Anything in particular on the Telco Systems side that warrants the warning?  
Bad support?  Bad hardware?  Bad software?  Full of crap!  


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Yeah I will second the run from telco systems.
On 7/1/2020 6:53 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Run, forrest, run


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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are "roadmap" 
items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. Those are a deal 
breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a switch/edge device and not targeted 
at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input. 
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Mike Hammett

You used to really like them, didn't you? 




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From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:53:59 PM 
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Run, forrest, run 

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Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 6:58 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches 


Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive. 

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are "roadmap" 
items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. Those are a deal 
breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a switch/edge device and not targeted 
at core routing. 

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input. 
They have AC and 24VDC as well. 

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104
 


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So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches? 

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
you look at today? 

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper? 



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Mark Radabaugh

ACX

Mark

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> Yea, that’s the reason I ask.  We use the ACX units
>  
> From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:18 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>  
> MPLS isn't very feature rich on EX.  There are lots of "gotchas."  I believe 
> EX4600 is "better," but I think most people would use QFX or ACX.
>  
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:50 PM Gino A. Villarini  <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>> Mark, are you doing MPLS at the EX Switches?
>>  
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>> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>>  
>> We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly environments 
>> (our tower sites). There are something on the order of 75 in use at tower 
>> sites and I don’t recall any failures. 
>> 
>> Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper and 
>> Ciena equipment. Very reliable.
>> 
>> We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and 
>> find we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of 
>> equipment.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> > On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough > > <mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
>> > something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly 
>> > then most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good 
>> > one is dell.
>> > 
>> > If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets 
>> > high or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then 
>> > I would recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic 
>> > L2 license If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160. If you are 
>> > wanting IP features then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high 
>> > capacity 10G and 100G 7250 IXR. I know most people would think they are 
>> > crazy expensive, but they are less expensive than cisco with better 
>> > features. They can go crazy on the support contracts if you get the full 
>> > featured management platform NSP, but at the lowest level which would be 
>> > most people its not to bad.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Trey
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>> >> 
>> >> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you 
>> >> look at today?
>> >> 
>> >> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Trey Scarborough

Yes to all. Except hardware possibly depending on what you are using. A 
good portion of there hardware is just a whitebox with their software. 
EX T-Metro 7224 is a generic broadcom switch that was also used by Alcatel.



On 7/2/2020 12:09 PM, Charles Boening wrote:


Interesting. Appreciate the feedback.  We haven’t used any of their 
gear.  Most of our switching is various Juniper flavors backed by MX 
routers.


Anything in particular on the Telco Systems side that warrants the 
warning?  Bad support?  Bad hardware?  Bad software?  Full of crap! 


Thanks

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Yeah I will second the run from telco systems.

On 7/1/2020 6:53 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Run, forrest, run

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Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems
competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They
are "roadmap" items they claim "should" be out by the end of the
year. Those are a deal breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a
switch/edge device and not targeted at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual
-48VDC input. They have AC and 24VDC as well.


https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Gino A. Villarini

I stumbled into this company the other day while looking for carrier switches… 
interesting product line

https://www.datacom.com.br/

Anyone knows them?

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
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Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

MPLS isn't very feature rich on EX.  There are lots of "gotchas."  I believe 
EX4600 is "better," but I think most people would use QFX or ACX.

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mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly environments 
(our tower sites). There are something on the order of 75 in use at tower sites 
and I don’t recall any failures.

Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper and 
Ciena equipment. Very reliable.

We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and find 
we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of equipment.

Mark

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough 
> mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:
>
> This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
> something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly then 
> most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good one is 
> dell.
>
> If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets high 
> or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then I would 
> recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic L2 license 
> If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160. If you are wanting IP features 
> then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high capacity 10G and 100G 7250 
> IXR. I know most people would think they are crazy expensive, but they are 
> less expensive than cisco with better features. They can go crazy on the 
> support contracts if you get the full featured management platform NSP, but 
> at the lowest level which would be most people its not to bad.
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you 
>> look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Yea, that’s the reason I ask.  We use the ACX units

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
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Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

MPLS isn't very feature rich on EX.  There are lots of "gotchas."  I believe 
EX4600 is "better," but I think most people would use QFX or ACX.

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mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
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Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>>
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Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly environments 
(our tower sites). There are something on the order of 75 in use at tower sites 
and I don’t recall any failures.

Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper and 
Ciena equipment. Very reliable.

We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and find 
we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of equipment.

Mark

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough 
> mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:
>
> This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
> something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly then 
> most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good one is 
> dell.
>
> If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets high 
> or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then I would 
> recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic L2 license 
> If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160. If you are wanting IP features 
> then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high capacity 10G and 100G 7250 
> IXR. I know most people would think they are crazy expensive, but they are 
> less expensive than cisco with better features. They can go crazy on the 
> support contracts if you get the full featured management platform NSP, but 
> at the lowest level which would be most people its not to bad.
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you 
>> look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Josh Baird

MPLS isn't very feature rich on EX.  There are lots of "gotchas."  I
believe EX4600 is "better," but I think most people would use QFX or ACX.

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> Mark, are you doing MPLS at the EX Switches?
>
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>
>
>
> We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly
> environments (our tower sites). There are something on the order of 75 in
> use at tower sites and I don’t recall any failures.
>
> Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper
> and Ciena equipment. Very reliable.
>
> We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and
> find we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of
> equipment.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
> >
> > This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for
> something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly
> then most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good one
> is dell.
> >
> > If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets
> high or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then I
> would recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic L2
> license If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160. If you are wanting IP
> features then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high capacity 10G and
> 100G 7250 IXR. I know most people would think they are crazy expensive, but
> they are less expensive than cisco with better features. They can go crazy
> on the support contracts if you get the full featured management platform
> NSP, but at the lowest level which would be most people its not to bad.
> >
> >
> > Trey
> >
> >
> > On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
> >>
> >> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
> you look at today?
> >>
> >> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Charles Boening

Interesting.  Appreciate the feedback.  We haven’t used any of their gear.  
Most of our switching is various Juniper flavors backed by MX routers.

Anything in particular on the Telco Systems side that warrants the warning?  
Bad support?  Bad hardware?  Bad software?  Full of crap!  


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
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Yeah I will second the run from telco systems.
On 7/1/2020 6:53 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Run, forrest, run


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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are "roadmap" 
items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. Those are a deal 
breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a switch/edge device and not targeted 
at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input. 
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Mark, are you doing MPLS at the EX Switches?

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From: AF  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly environments 
(our tower sites). There are something on the order of 75 in use at tower sites 
and I don’t recall any failures.

Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper and 
Ciena equipment. Very reliable.

We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and find 
we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of equipment.

Mark

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
> This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
> something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly then 
> most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good one is 
> dell.
>
> If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets high 
> or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then I would 
> recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic L2 license 
> If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160. If you are wanting IP features 
> then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high capacity 10G and 100G 7250 
> IXR. I know most people would think they are crazy expensive, but they are 
> less expensive than cisco with better features. They can go crazy on the 
> support contracts if you get the full featured management platform NSP, but 
> at the lowest level which would be most people its not to bad.
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you 
>> look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Mark Radabaugh

We have had very good luck with Juniper switches in unfriendly environments 
(our tower sites).  There are something on the order of 75 in use at tower 
sites and I don’t recall any failures.   

Same with the Ciena gear - a good portion of our sites have both Juniper and 
Ciena equipment.   Very reliable.

We are actually starting to move away from Ciena as we implement MPLS and find 
we can do that in the Juniper gear and eliminate an extra piece of equipment.

Mark

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
> 
> This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
> something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly then 
> most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good one is 
> dell.
> 
> If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets high 
> or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 then I would 
> recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient with basic L2 license 
> If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160.  If you are wanting IP features 
> then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for high capacity 10G and 100G 7250 
> IXR. I know most people would think they are crazy expensive, but they are 
> less expensive than cisco with better features. They can go crazy on the 
> support contracts if you get the full featured management platform NSP, but 
> at the lowest level which would be most people its not to bad.
> 
> 
> Trey
> 
> 
> On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>> 
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you 
>> look at today?
>> 
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Trey Scarborough

This depends highly on what your looking for. If you are looking for 
something to use in a datacenter/office that is environmentally friendly 
then most of the juniper/cisco/brocade solutions will work another good 
one is dell.


If you want to retain something that wont die when the temperature gets 
high or loose fans in a dusty environment. If you only need basic L2 
then I would recommend the ciena 3928 they are pretty cost efficient 
with basic L2 license If you need more 10G ports there is the 5160.  If 
you are wanting IP features then I would go with Nokia 7210 MXP or for 
high capacity 10G and 100G 7250 IXR. I know most people would think they 
are crazy expensive, but they are less expensive than cisco with better 
features. They can go crazy on the support contracts if you get the full 
featured management platform NSP, but at the lowest level which would be 
most people its not to bad.



Trey


On 6/30/2020 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
you look at today?


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-02 Thread Trey Scarborough


Yeah I will second the run from telco systems.

On 7/1/2020 6:53 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Run, forrest, run

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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are 
"roadmap" items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. 
Those are a deal breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a 
switch/edge device and not targeted at core routing.


One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual 
-48VDC input. They have AC and 24VDC as well.


https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-01 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Run, forrest, run


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From: AF  on behalf of Charles Boening 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Been looking at these guys. Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features. They are "roadmap" 
items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year. Those are a deal 
breaker for us but YMMV. It's definitely a switch/edge device and not targeted 
at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input. 
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104<https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104>


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-01 Thread Charles Boening

Been looking at these guys.  Never used them but pricing seems competitive.

On the L3 side, they don't have DHCP relay or IPv6 features.  They are 
"roadmap" items they claim "should" be out by the end of the year.  Those are a 
deal breaker for us but YMMV.  It's definitely a switch/edge device and not 
targeted at core routing.

One thing I really like is the smaller form (<14" deep) and dual -48VDC input.  
They have AC and 24VDC as well.

https://www.telco.com/products-by-category/ethernet-mpls-aggregation/t-metro-8104


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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

Complex question.. Linux controls the behavior of the switch, but the actual
switching is done via merchant silicon like Jericho2, Trident, etc.
depending on the switch, so Linux is not actually doing the switching or
routing.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

Do they all run Linux?

On 6/30/2020 1:36 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, 
> performance, AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but 
> either the 7010 or
> 7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:20 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>
> I'll check out Arista.
>
> I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should 
> mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.
>
> On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices 
>> are quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>>
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
>> you look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett


All the good switches are made in Taiwan.

All the bad switches are also made in Taiwan.

Planet is definitely in one of those categories.


On 6/30/2020 6:29 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Im have a bunch of them for sale, interested?


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From: AF  on behalf of Sean Heskett 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 6:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Sean Heskett

planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini

How about some good gray market resellers?

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From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 1:20 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should
mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
> reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>
> Peter Kranz
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>
> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you
> look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett


Do they all run Linux?

On 6/30/2020 1:36 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, performance,
AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but either the 7010 or
7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should mention
that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are
quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

Understood, Arista hits the boxes for us in terms of support, performance,
AND value.. We primarily use the 7280SR variants, but either the 7010 or
7020 makes for an excellent tower level switch/router.  

Peter Kranz
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Mobile: 510-207-
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should mention
that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.

On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
> Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are 
> quite reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches
>
> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would 
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett


I'll check out Arista.

I do appreciate a good deal as much as anybody, but I think I should 
mention that being cheap on Ebay is not one of my criteria.


On 6/30/2020 1:07 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you
look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

Arista all the way. Entry prices for Arista 7010 and 7020R devices are quite
reasonable. Some 7010 and 7020R inventory on Ebay as well. 

Peter Kranz
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would you
look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

Yeah - I was looking at used on eBay.  I see some for <$1500.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Used - well under $2500, some way less.
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
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> On 6/30/20 10:23 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> $15k cheap?
> On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> ... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont <
> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>
>> Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.
>> 
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Owner / Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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>> On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
>> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
>> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>>
>> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
>> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
>> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
>> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>>
>> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
>> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>>
>>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>>> using the 40gig ports.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
 isolation.standard stuff.

 I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
 that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
 and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
 sudden.


 On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

 What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

 Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
Used - well under $2500, some way less.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Owner
  / Network
  Architect
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On 6/30/20 10:23 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  $15k cheap?
  
  On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird
wrote:
  
  

... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!


  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at
11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:
  
  
 Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.
  

  Jesse DuPont
  Owner /
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity
Networks LLC / Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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  On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
  
  
EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes,
  you can create a VC using the 40Gbps interfaces (or
  the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
  EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
  


I'm actually looking for something similar.. I
  have a few of the CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but
  tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and I'm also
  not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on
  CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for
  this particular application.


The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old
  option, but seems to work fine for L2 access
  (servers, etc).


  



  On Tue, Jun 30, 2020
at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:
  
  

  Lots of 10gig SFP+
  I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering
if I can stack chassis using the 40gig ports.
  
  
  On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
  
  
What interface config are
  you looking for?


  On Tue, Jun
30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:
  
  

  For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype
filter, port isolation.standard
stuff.
  I'm assuming Juniper has software for
central management?  I poo-poo'd that
stuff for a long time, but try to push
one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and
spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a
sudden.
  
  
  On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird
wrote:
  
  
What featureset do you
  need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
  
  
  Juniper EX is my go-to for most
applications.



  On
Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam
Moffett 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett


$15k cheap?

On 6/30/2020 12:20 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>> 
wrote:


Brocade ICX7750-48F is a solid choice.


*Jesse DuPont*

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net

Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/ celeritynetworksllc

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On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC
using the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may
consider the older EX4550 if you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use
them, and I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config
on CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this
particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to
work fine for L2 access (servers, etc).


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can
stack chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central
management?  I poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but
try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending
$10k on management software starts to look attractive
all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

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mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian
switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Cisco Nexus is a good option !


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EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the 40Gbps 
interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older EX4550 if 
you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the 
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and I'm 
also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really just need 
4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine for L2 
access (servers, etc).


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis using 
the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port isolation.standard 
stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd that 
stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks and 
spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

... and cheap, too.  I'll take a look at these!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM Jesse DuPont 
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> On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>
> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>
> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>
>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>> using the 40gig ports.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>>> sudden.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>>
>>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

 Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
 you look at today?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

Yeah - the L2 VLAN config on CRS has been frustrating to say the least.  I
haven't even tried this "new" method on the CRS317, but it's on my list
soon.

Juniper EX JunOS syntax across models is more or less the same.  There are
some minor differences when you get into EX4600 since it uses ELS (enhanced
L2 software) software.

Josh

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:08 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Well the CRS 3xx line is actually their best so far.  I've noted at least
> 4 ways to set up VLAN's on a Mikrotik and in any given scenario 3 of them
> are wrong.  On the 3xx use Bridge->VLAN and enable VLAN filtering on your
> bridge interface.  That is the only platform where the bridge VLAN
> filtering gets hardware acceleration, and if you did that on any other
> model you'd be dependent on the CPU.  For CRS 1xx and 2xx you use
> Switch->VLAN menu which has different options and capabilities.  For CCR or
> any of the other router products you can use bridge->VLAN filtering, but
> there's still an older method under Interface->VLAN which also works and
> you can either add VLAN interfaces to a bridge, or bridge the VLAN
> interfaces together.  All of these methods are "right" in the right
> scenario, and 3 out of the 4 are always wrong.
>
> A stack of those CRS317's was an alternate suggestion made here.  Four of
> those would cost 1/10th what we'd spend on an EX4600, but I'm kind of sick
> of that whole scene.
>
> If you're in Juniper world and you have two different models, how much
> different is the command syntax to do the same jobs?
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
> 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
> EX4550 if you are trying to save money.
>
> I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
> CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
> I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
> just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.
>
> The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
> for L2 access (servers, etc).
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>>
>> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
>> using the 40gig ports.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What interface config are you looking for?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>>> sudden.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>>
>>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

 Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
 you look at today?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett

If you know the state they're all in already, and you know the same 
command will work on all of them, then I can see how that would work.  
I'm working towards that too because the Mikrotiks won't go away.



On 6/30/2020 11:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Might look at Unimus for that config change to 300 Mikrotiks.  If 
that's your only issue, it's a lot cheaper than replacing 300 units.


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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change
out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches,
who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Luthman

Might look at Unimus for that config change to 300 Mikrotiks.  If that's
your only issue, it's a lot cheaper than replacing 300 units.

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
> isolation.standard stuff.
>
> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
> sudden.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>
> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>> you look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Jesse DuPont


  
  
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On 6/30/20 8:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  
  EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can
create a VC using the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps
interfaces).  You may consider the older EX4550 if you are
trying to save money.

  
  
  I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few
of the CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little
scared to use them, and I'm also not looking forward to the
miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really just need 4-6 SFP+
interfaces for this particular application.
  
  
  The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but
seems to work fine for L2 access (servers, etc).
  
  

  
  
  
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52
  AM Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
Lots of 10gig SFP+
I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can
  stack chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  What interface config are you looking for?
  
  
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020
  at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett 
  wrote:


  
For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter,
  port isolation.standard stuff.
I'm assuming Juniper has software for central
  management?  I poo-poo'd that stuff for a long
  time, but try to push one change out to 300
  Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
  starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  What featureset do you need?  Just
L2?  Any L3 features?


Juniper EX is my go-to for most
  applications.
  
  
  
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  30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
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So who's
  your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett

Well the CRS 3xx line is actually their best so far.  I've noted at 
least 4 ways to set up VLAN's on a Mikrotik and in any given scenario 3 
of them are wrong.  On the 3xx use Bridge->VLAN and enable VLAN 
filtering on your bridge interface.  That is the only platform where the 
bridge VLAN filtering gets hardware acceleration, and if you did that on 
any other model you'd be dependent on the CPU.  For CRS 1xx and 2xx you 
use Switch->VLAN menu which has different options and capabilities.  For 
CCR or any of the other router products you can use bridge->VLAN 
filtering, but there's still an older method under Interface->VLAN which 
also works and you can either add VLAN interfaces to a bridge, or bridge 
the VLAN interfaces together. All of these methods are "right" in the 
right scenario, and 3 out of the 4 are always wrong.


A stack of those CRS317's was an alternate suggestion made here. Four of 
those would cost 1/10th what we'd spend on an EX4600, but I'm kind of 
sick of that whole scene.


If you're in Juniper world and you have two different models, how much 
different is the command syntax to do the same jobs?



On 6/30/2020 10:56 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using 
the 40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider 
the older EX4550 if you are trying to save money.


I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the 
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, 
and I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I 
really just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.


The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work 
fine for L2 access (servers, etc).



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack
chassis using the 40gig ports.


On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one
change out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management
software starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian
switches, who would
you look at today?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

EX4600 is nice, but it's not cheap.  Yes, you can create a VC using the
40Gbps interfaces (or the 10Gbps interfaces).  You may consider the older
EX4550 if you are trying to save money.

I'm actually looking for something similar.. I have a few of the
CRS317-1G-16S+RM in stock, but tbh, I'm a little scared to use them, and
I'm also not looking forward to the miserable L2 config on CRS.  I really
just need 4-6 SFP+ interfaces for this particular application.

The Cisco Nexus 3064 is another cheap/old option, but seems to work fine
for L2 access (servers, etc).


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Lots of 10gig SFP+
>
> I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis
> using the 40gig ports.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What interface config are you looking for?
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
>> isolation.standard stuff.
>>
>> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
>> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
>> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
>> sudden.
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>>
>> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>>
>>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>>> you look at today?
>>>
>>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett


Lots of 10gig SFP+

I just eyeballed the Juniper EX4600.  Wondering if I can stack chassis 
using the 40gig ports.



On 6/30/2020 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
isolation.standard stuff.

I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I
poo-poo'd that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change
out to 300 Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software
starts to look attractive all of a sudden.


On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches,
who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

What interface config are you looking for?

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port
> isolation.standard stuff.
>
> I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd
> that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 Mikrotiks
> and spending $10k on management software starts to look attractive all of a
> sudden.
>
>
> On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?
>
> Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>>
>> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
>> you look at today?
>>
>> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Adam Moffett

For the moment just L2: VLAN, ethertype filter, port 
isolation.standard stuff.


I'm assuming Juniper has software for central management?  I poo-poo'd 
that stuff for a long time, but try to push one change out to 300 
Mikrotiks and spending $10k on management software starts to look 
attractive all of a sudden.



On 6/30/2020 10:31 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Juniper and HP,

Do you need DC power? Then Netonix


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Good Switches

So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?

Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
you look at today?

Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?



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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

2020-06-30 Thread Josh Baird

What featureset do you need?  Just L2?  Any L3 features?

Juniper EX is my go-to for most applications.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
>
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