Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Rory Conaway via Af]

I don’t know about thousands but Adaptrum has a big writeup on it.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

 

Is microsoft deploying thousands of these outside of africa?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/19/2014 06:01 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

They are doing very well overseas and have a lot of big corporate 
support from companies such as Microsoft.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

 

"If they get enough support and sales"

Who wants to take bets?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/19/2014 04:23 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough 
support and sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.
 
Rory
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] 
On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
 
The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for 
is that the SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all 
that spectrum away to his cellco buddies.
 
On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials. 
 Chew another 
piece already!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA
 
 
-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
 
Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement 
about Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last 
forever.   People 
are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership 
is much lower.  
For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago 
or something
802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I 
would rather 
have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 
years.  I 
consider that the minimum life of the product before a 
new technology 
needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, 
it fits the 
depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti 
will last 3 years 
since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the 
Nanobridges, 
AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than 
that though so our 
financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge 
more to cover it.  
Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer 
average lifespan than 
the last 2 product series so that all is right with the 
world.
 
As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in 
that band. 
However, it's going to take a different technology than 
802.11 or 
something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product 
to work down 
there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that 
band, I know of
2 other companies that have the potential to do some 
amazing things 
with the band and another technology that may be able 
to be used in 
that band.  We will see how that plays out.
 
I think short term if I was having to move into the 
sub-1GHz band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary 
solution. You might 
have to be creative with the financing options but I 
saw Radio Shack 
increase sales by bringing in outside financing options 
for clients 
when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is 
something that 
could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one 

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Is microsoft deploying thousands of these outside of africa?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 09/19/2014 06:01 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


They are doing very well overseas and have a lot of big corporate 
support from companies such as Microsoft.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af

*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 5:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

"If they get enough support and sales"

Who wants to take bets?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 09/19/2014 04:23 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough support and 
sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.

  


Rory

  


-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM

To:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

  


The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that the 
SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all that spectrum 
away to his cellco buddies.

  


On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another

piece already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA

  

  


-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM

To:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

  


Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium

screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People

are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.

For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something

802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather

have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I

consider that the minimum life of the product before a new technology

needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the

depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years

since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges,

AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our

financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to cover it.

Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan than

the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.

  


As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.

However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or

something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down

there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of

2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things

with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in

that band.  We will see how that plays out.

  


I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd

seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You might

have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack

increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients

when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that

could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies

that have specialized financing might be able to come up with something.

  


Rory

  


-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On

Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM

To:af@afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

  


Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't

get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you

will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.

  


I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed

themselves by making them last forever.

  


So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free

firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what

some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.

If only TVWS was cheap.  

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Bruce Robertson via Af]

That's only really true if you're a short-term (i.e. day) trader. 
/Companies/ create wealth/value.  Invest for the long term (5+ years) 
and you will become wealthy due to the companies you /own/ creating value.


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Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Seems like a great use for Rural Broadband Experiment funds.

From: Jason McKemie via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

Yeah, the whole experimental license thing is a big issue for me at this point. 
This equipment is way too expensive to have the license pulled with no recourse.

On Friday, September 19, 2014, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
 wrote:

  Don't you still have to get an experimental license for TVWS at this point? 
Part of the problem here is that we're too close to the Chicago metro broadcast 
area. There were no usable channels the last time I looked at one of the 
databases. Even in the more rural parts of our network farther away from 
Chicago, maybe there's a chance, but it would be too much investment for too 
little gains. Current cost of the available gear, and future gear probably 
won't be any cheaper. Plus the HAAT restrictions.

  If you can use it, great! I hope you do, and make lots of money at it. 
Seriously. But I have a genuine fear that the FCC, who has been throwing loads 
of poo at us recently, will change their minds and sunset our access to the 
spectrum while it's being auctioned behind our backs at the same time they 
control our transmitters via database. We'll see how the 3550-3700 thing goes.

  On 9/19/2014 7:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

You think TVWS is dead? I am curious why.

I feel it's a hope on the next hill over not a dream on the distant horizon.

We are going to trial the Runcom Wimax product ASAP in TVWS. For us, a lot 
of our area isn't even serviceable with 900mhz (assuming clean spectrum). 
Customer's less than a mile away would have too many trees for 900 to connect. 
Yes, even when that 900 was installed 150ft up a tree.

TVWS has the chance to reach lots of those who don't have access to 
broadband or even cell service. For many people a 2mbps/256kbps is way better 
than satellite. They can VPN, game, and VOIP. They might not be able to stream 
high def all day but they can get satellite TV for that. Its the trade off for 
living so rural.

For the past 6 months we have been deploying Telrad WiMAX in 3.65 and it's 
coverage and performance has been phenomenal. I am really excited to see what 
WiMAX applied to TVWS from Runcom can do. There has been talk about how the FSK 
is still a thriving product. In perfect conditions FSK provides 14mbps 
aggregate throughput. Runcom is estimating 15-20mbps aggregate throughput in 
average conditions. You also get 2 APs per Base Station with a built in ASN or 
use a gateway.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Rory Conaway via Af]

They are doing very well overseas and have a lot of big corporate support from 
companies such as Microsoft.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
Reynolds via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

 

"If they get enough support and sales"

Who wants to take bets?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/19/2014 04:23 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough support 
and sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.
 
Rory
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
 
The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that 
the SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all that 
spectrum away to his cellco buddies.
 
On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew 
another 
piece already!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA
 
 
-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
 
Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about 
Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   
People 
are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much 
lower.  
For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or 
something
802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would 
rather 
have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I 
consider that the minimum life of the product before a new 
technology 
needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits 
the 
depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 
3 years 
since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the 
Nanobridges, 
AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though 
so our 
financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to 
cover it.  
Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average 
lifespan than 
the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.
 
As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that 
band. 
However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 
or 
something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work 
down 
there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I 
know of
2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing 
things 
with the band and another technology that may be able to be 
used in 
that band.  We will see how that plays out.
 
I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz 
band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. 
You might 
have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio 
Shack 
increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for 
clients 
when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something 
that 
could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the 
companies 
that have specialized financing might be able to come up with 
something.
 
Rory
 
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] 
On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
 
Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they 
don't 
get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks 
you 
will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.
 
I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed 
themselves by making them last forever.
 
So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free 
firmware

Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Yeah, the whole experimental license thing is a big issue for me at this
point. This equipment is way too expensive to have the license pulled with
no recourse.

On Friday, September 19, 2014, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> Don't you still have to get an experimental license for TVWS at this
> point? Part of the problem here is that we're too close to the Chicago
> metro broadcast area. There were no usable channels the last time I looked
> at one of the databases. Even in the more rural parts of our network
> farther away from Chicago, maybe there's a chance, but it would be too much
> investment for too little gains. Current cost of the available gear, and
> future gear probably won't be any cheaper. Plus the HAAT restrictions.
>
> If you can use it, great! I hope you do, and make lots of money at it.
> Seriously. But I have a genuine fear that the FCC, who has been throwing
> loads of poo at us recently, will change their minds and sunset our access
> to the spectrum while it's being auctioned behind our backs at the same
> time they control our transmitters via database. We'll see how the
> 3550-3700 thing goes.
>
> On 9/19/2014 7:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:
>
>> You think TVWS is dead? I am curious why.
>>
>> I feel it's a hope on the next hill over not a dream on the distant
>> horizon.
>>
>> We are going to trial the Runcom Wimax product ASAP in TVWS. For us, a
>> lot of our area isn't even serviceable with 900mhz (assuming clean
>> spectrum). Customer's less than a mile away would have too many trees for
>> 900 to connect. Yes, even when that 900 was installed 150ft up a tree.
>>
>> TVWS has the chance to reach lots of those who don't have access to
>> broadband or even cell service. For many people a 2mbps/256kbps is way
>> better than satellite. They can VPN, game, and VOIP. They might not be able
>> to stream high def all day but they can get satellite TV for that. Its the
>> trade off for living so rural.
>>
>> For the past 6 months we have been deploying Telrad WiMAX in 3.65 and
>> it's coverage and performance has been phenomenal. I am really excited to
>> see what WiMAX applied to TVWS from Runcom can do. There has been talk
>> about how the FSK is still a thriving product. In perfect conditions FSK
>> provides 14mbps aggregate throughput. Runcom is estimating 15-20mbps
>> aggregate throughput in average conditions. You also get 2 APs per Base
>> Station with a built in ASN or use a gateway.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Don't you still have to get an experimental license for TVWS at this 
point? Part of the problem here is that we're too close to the Chicago 
metro broadcast area. There were no usable channels the last time I 
looked at one of the databases. Even in the more rural parts of our 
network farther away from Chicago, maybe there's a chance, but it would 
be too much investment for too little gains. Current cost of the 
available gear, and future gear probably won't be any cheaper. Plus the 
HAAT restrictions.


If you can use it, great! I hope you do, and make lots of money at it. 
Seriously. But I have a genuine fear that the FCC, who has been throwing 
loads of poo at us recently, will change their minds and sunset our 
access to the spectrum while it's being auctioned behind our backs at 
the same time they control our transmitters via database. We'll see how 
the 3550-3700 thing goes.


On 9/19/2014 7:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote:

You think TVWS is dead? I am curious why.

I feel it's a hope on the next hill over not a dream on the distant 
horizon.


We are going to trial the Runcom Wimax product ASAP in TVWS. For us, a 
lot of our area isn't even serviceable with 900mhz (assuming clean 
spectrum). Customer's less than a mile away would have too many trees 
for 900 to connect. Yes, even when that 900 was installed 150ft up a 
tree.


TVWS has the chance to reach lots of those who don't have access to 
broadband or even cell service. For many people a 2mbps/256kbps is way 
better than satellite. They can VPN, game, and VOIP. They might not be 
able to stream high def all day but they can get satellite TV for 
that. Its the trade off for living so rural.


For the past 6 months we have been deploying Telrad WiMAX in 3.65 and 
it's coverage and performance has been phenomenal. I am really excited 
to see what WiMAX applied to TVWS from Runcom can do. There has been 
talk about how the FSK is still a thriving product. In perfect 
conditions FSK provides 14mbps aggregate throughput. Runcom is 
estimating 15-20mbps aggregate throughput in average conditions. You 
also get 2 APs per Base Station with a built in ASN or use a gateway.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Paul Conlin via Af]

We also can't live without 900.  It is not dead.  Small cells are key.  It is 
better for the customer than Exede.  Try doing remote desktop over a VPN on 
Exede.  Many companies will not allow their employees to telecommute without a 
VPN.

PC
Blaze Broadband




> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf
> Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
> 
> Something is still messed up with the list text/HTML thing. I hit reply to 
> this message
> and TB quoted only what's below.
> 
> Anyway I agree. As much as I hate it, we can't live without 900. We are 
> doing
> everything we can to get customers on LOS, but the 900 is there as a last 
> resort and is
> the only viable solution. We put up used (good condition) Rohn 25 for 
> customers and
> charge them 10 or so % over cost + labor just to get them on LOS. It's very 
> time
> consuming.
> 
> The problem I see with 900 MIMO/450 is replacing literally over a thousand 
> antennas,
> customers and towers. We made a substantial investment in LMG/Antel 900-360H
> omni antennas. I know, omnis are bad, but they work for small sites. Problem 
> is, we
> quickly outgrew most of the small sites, so we made yet another investment in
> sectorizing with at least 4x90's. To replace all of that now would be... no, 
> just no.
> 
> Besides the antenna thing, V pol is trashed from all the SCADA and other crap 
> so I see
> no point in trying to do MIMO in 900. 64-QAM SISO would be better than FSK.
> 
> On 9/19/2014 4:34 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:
> > I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do 
> > we do
> there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 in 900 
> MHz?
> > We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too 
> > many
> hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large quantities 
> simply
> because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to have an easy way to
> configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that 
> feature for
> the last 8 years, not like they didn't know about it or have the time to 
> figure it out.
> Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform where we don't really 
> need it yet.
> >
> > While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still 
> > making
> money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us at 
> least some
> development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 replacement?  Why 
> not a
> 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but still only 2x modulation. 
> We
> would literally buy thousands of them within the next year.
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

"If they get enough support and sales"

Who wants to take bets?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 09/19/2014 04:23 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough support and 
sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that the SCADA 
folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all that spectrum away 
to his cellco buddies.

On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another
piece already!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA


-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People
are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.
For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something
802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather
have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I
consider that the minimum life of the product before a new technology
needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the
depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years
since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges,
AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our
financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to cover it.
Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan than
the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.

As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.
However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or
something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down
there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of
2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things
with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in
that band.  We will see how that plays out.

I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You might
have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack
increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients
when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that
could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies
that have specialized financing might be able to come up with something.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't
get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you
will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.

I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed
themselves by making them last forever.

So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free
firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what
some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.
If only TVWS was cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency
spectrum that WISPs could get access to.  If only power companies
would stop using 900 for smartgrid.

Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread
and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the
usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that
doesn't support video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper
than Exede, or just as fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky
enough to be in an area where they don't have spot beams.  And AT&T,
Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless over LTE.  And the
ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz,
what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the
replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are,
too many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in
large quantities simply because we can't use anythi

[AFMUG] TVWS Alive or Dead? Was: Re: Dear Cambium

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

You think TVWS is dead? I am curious why.

I feel it's a hope on the next hill over not a dream on the distant horizon.

We are going to trial the Runcom Wimax product ASAP in TVWS. For us, a 
lot of our area isn't even serviceable with 900mhz (assuming clean 
spectrum). Customer's less than a mile away would have too many trees 
for 900 to connect. Yes, even when that 900 was installed 150ft up a tree.


TVWS has the chance to reach lots of those who don't have access to 
broadband or even cell service. For many people a 2mbps/256kbps is way 
better than satellite. They can VPN, game, and VOIP. They might not be 
able to stream high def all day but they can get satellite TV for that. 
Its the trade off for living so rural.


For the past 6 months we have been deploying Telrad WiMAX in 3.65 and 
it's coverage and performance has been phenomenal. I am really excited 
to see what WiMAX applied to TVWS from Runcom can do. There has been 
talk about how the FSK is still a thriving product. In perfect 
conditions FSK provides 14mbps aggregate throughput. Runcom is 
estimating 15-20mbps aggregate throughput in average conditions. You 
also get 2 APs per Base Station with a built in ASN or use a gateway.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/19/2014 05:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that 
the SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all 
that spectrum away to his cellco buddies.


On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another 
piece already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA


-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People 
are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much 
lower.  For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or 
something 802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I 
would rather have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 
years.  I consider that the minimum life of the product before a new 
technology needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it 
fits the depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will 
last 3 years since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the 
Nanobridges, AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that 
though so our financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge 
more to cover it.  Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer 
average lifespan than the last 2 product series so that all is right 
with the world.


As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band. 
However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or 
something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down 
there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of 
2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things 
with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in 
that band.  We will see how that plays out.


I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, 
I'd seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You 
might have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio 
Shack increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for 
clients when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something 
that could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the 
companies that have specialized financing might be able to come up 
with something.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't 
get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you 
will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.


I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed 
themselves by making them last forever.


So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free 
firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what 
some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was 
cheap.  If only TVWS was cheap.  If only there was some more low 
frequency spectrum that WISPs could get access to.  If only power 
companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.


Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your 
bread and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede? Yes, I 
know the usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a 
connection that doesn't support video strea

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Adaptrum has some pretty good stuff there.  If they get enough support and 
sales, you could see gen II which might include 256QAM and MIMO.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that the SCADA 
folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all that spectrum away 
to his cellco buddies.

On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another 
> piece already!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium 
> screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People 
> are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.  
> For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something
> 802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather 
> have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I 
> consider that the minimum life of the product before a new technology 
> needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the 
> depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years 
> since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges, 
> AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our 
> financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to cover it.  
> Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan than 
> the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.
>
> As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band. 
> However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or 
> something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down 
> there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of
> 2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things 
> with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in 
> that band.  We will see how that plays out.
>
> I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd 
> seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You might 
> have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack 
> increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients 
> when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that 
> could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies 
> that have specialized financing might be able to come up with something.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't 
> get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you 
> will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.
>
> I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed 
> themselves by making them last forever.
>
> So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free 
> firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what 
> some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.  
> If only TVWS was cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency 
> spectrum that WISPs could get access to.  If only power companies 
> would stop using 900 for smartgrid.
>
> Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?
>
> But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread 
> and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the 
> usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that 
> doesn't support video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper 
> than Exede, or just as fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky 
> enough to be in an area where they don't have spot beams.  And AT&T, 
> Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless over LTE.  And the 
> ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Tyler via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, 
> what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the 
> replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz?
> We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, 
> too many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in 
> large quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Su

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

The TVWS ship has sailed.. and sank. The best we can hope for is that 
the SCADA folks move there. And then Tommy Boy will probably give all 
that spectrum away to his cellco buddies.


On 9/19/2014 7:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another 
piece already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA


-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People 
are willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.  
For example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something 
802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather 
have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I 
consider that the minimum life of the product before a new technology 
needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the 
depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years 
since that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges, 
AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our 
financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more to cover 
it.  Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan 
than the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.


As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band. 
However, it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or 
something along the lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down 
there.  Other than the WiMax products going into that band, I know of 
2 other companies that have the potential to do some amazing things 
with the band and another technology that may be able to be used in 
that band.  We will see how that plays out.


I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution. You might 
have to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack 
increase sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients 
when computers were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that 
could be done there. I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies 
that have specialized financing might be able to come up with something.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't 
get any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you 
will buy SmartNet on a router off eBay.


I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed 
themselves by making them last forever.


So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free 
firmware upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what 
some Cambium product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was 
cheap.  If only TVWS was cheap.  If only there was some more low 
frequency spectrum that WISPs could get access to.  If only power 
companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.


Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread 
and butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the 
usage cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that 
doesn't support video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper 
than Exede, or just as fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky 
enough to be in an area where they don't have spot beams.  And AT&T, 
Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless over LTE.  And the 
ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.



-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, 
what do we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the 
replacement for PMP100 in 900 MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, 
too many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in 
large quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure 
would be nice to have an easy way to configure those radios, we 
(Animal Farm) have only been asking for that feature for the last 8 
years, not like they didn't know about it or have the time to figure 
it out.  Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform where we 
don't really need it yet.


While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is 
still making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why 
not give us at least some development beyond bug fixes at least until 
there is a 900 re

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

Tried calling and leaving messages. No response. Emailed multiple 
contacts. No response. They have been "repairing" a radio for 2 months. 
Supposed to have taken less than 30 days to turn it around. We are 
expanding and need that link back operational. The backup is not fast 
enough for the demand now that school is back.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/19/2014 04:47 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:


Just call them

Jaime Solorza

On Sep 19, 2014 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" > wrote:


Not sure there is validity to this claim.

References please? Pics of the "for sale" sign on the offices? :)

Maybe a press release?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 09/19/2014 01:10 PM, Bob Hrbek (Loganet) via Af wrote:

Holy crap, I nearly bought a link last month�


On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Josh Baird via Af  
  wrote:


So were they just dumping inventory with the recent G2 promotions?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jose Burgos via Af  
  wrote:

Yes, I heard that they closed their doors two (2) days ago.

Sent from Jose's iPhone - Pinnacle Wireless



On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:57 PM, "Matt Jenkins via Af"  
  wrote:

I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Ahh, I failed to catch the sarcasm.  My bad :)

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another piece 
already!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA


-Original Message- 
From: Rory Conaway via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People are 
willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.  For 
example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something 802.11 
compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather have paid 50% 
more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I consider that the minimum 
life of the product before a new technology needs to be deployed and from an 
accounting standpoint, it fits the depreciation schedule.  As it is, we 
assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years since that's been our experience.  We are 
seeing the Nanobridges, AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than 
that though so our financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more 
to cover it.  Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average 
lifespan than the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.

As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.  However, 
it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or something along the 
lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down there.  Other than the 
WiMax products going into that band, I know of 2 other companies that have 
the potential to do some amazing things with the band and another technology 
that may be able to be used in that band.  We will see how that plays out.

I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution.  You might have 
to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack increase 
sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients when computers 
were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that could be done there. 
I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies that have specialized 
financing might be able to come up with something.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't get 
any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you will buy 
SmartNet on a router off eBay.

I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed themselves by 
making them last forever.

So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free firmware 
upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what some Cambium 
product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.  If only TVWS was 
cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency spectrum that WISPs could 
get access to.  If only power companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.

Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread and 
butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the usage 
cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that doesn't support 
video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper than Exede, or just as 
fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky enough to be in an area where they 
don't have spot beams.  And AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed 
wireless over LTE.  And the ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do 
we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 
in 900 MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too 
many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large 
quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to 
have an easy way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been 
asking for that feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know 
about it or have the time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, 
but only on a platform where we don't really need it yet.

While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still 
making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us 
at least some development beyond bug fixes at least u

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I meant it in the spirit of the Stride gum commercials.  Chew another piece 
already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSkCEYpShA


-Original Message- 
From: Rory Conaway via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium 
screwing themselves because they built them to last forever.   People are 
willing to pay for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.  For 
example, if Cambium had the ePMP even 2 years ago or something 802.11 
compatible (not that the ePMP is compatible), I would rather have paid 50% 
more for a radio that will be here in 5 years.  I consider that the minimum 
life of the product before a new technology needs to be deployed and from an 
accounting standpoint, it fits the depreciation schedule.  As it is, we 
assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years since that's been our experience.  We are 
seeing the Nanobridges, AirRouters, and Toughswitches fail even faster than 
that though so our financials have to be adjusted and we have to charge more 
to cover it.  Our hope is that the new Nanobeams have a longer average 
lifespan than the last 2 product series so that all is right with the world.


As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.  However, 
it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or something along the 
lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down there.  Other than the 
WiMax products going into that band, I know of 2 other companies that have 
the potential to do some amazing things with the band and another technology 
that may be able to be used in that band.  We will see how that plays out.


I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution.  You might have 
to be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack increase 
sales by bringing in outside financing options for clients when computers 
were big in the 80's, maybe there is something that could be done there. 
I'm sure WISPER Ventures or one of the companies that have specialized 
financing might be able to come up with something.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't get 
any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you will buy 
SmartNet on a router off eBay.


I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed themselves by 
making them last forever.


So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free firmware 
upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what some Cambium 
product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.  If only TVWS was 
cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency spectrum that WISPs could 
get access to.  If only power companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.


Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread and 
butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the usage 
cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that doesn't support 
video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper than Exede, or just as 
fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky enough to be in an area where they 
don't have spot beams.  And AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed 
wireless over LTE.  And the ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.



-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do 
we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 
in 900 MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too 
many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large 
quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to 
have an easy way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been 
asking for that feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know 
about it or have the time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, 
but only on a platform where we don't really need it yet.


While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still 
making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us 
at least some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 
replacement?  Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but 
still only 2x modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within 
the next year.


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Intern

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Tushar Patel via Af]

One of the sales person sent me this :
This is the message they received from their CEO.

"We have gone through a major reorganization and change of ownership
over the past week. However, the nature of our business stays the same
as before.  Same products, same markets and applications.  We apologize
for any inconvenience or business disruption this may have caused you.
Thank you for your patience, understanding, and support during this
rather extraordinary period of our evolution.  We are confident we will
reemerge stronger, more competitive, and better than ever before."

So we're in business and moving 

Tushar


> On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:
> 
> Just call them
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2014 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af"  wrote:
>> Not sure there is validity to this claim.
>> 
>> References please? Pics of the "for sale" sign on the offices? :)
>> 
>> Maybe a press release?
>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>> 
>>> On 09/19/2014 01:10 PM, Bob Hrbek (Loganet) via Af wrote:
>>> Holy crap, I nearly bought a link last month�
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Josh Baird via Af  wrote:
>>> 
 So were they just dumping inventory with the recent G2 promotions?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jose Burgos via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I heard that they closed their doors two (2) days ago. 
>> 
>> Sent from Jose's iPhone - Pinnacle Wireless
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:57 PM, "Matt Jenkins via Af"  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or 
>> deny?

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Just call them

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 19, 2014 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af"  wrote:

>  Not sure there is validity to this claim.
>
> References please? Pics of the "for sale" sign on the offices? :)
>
> Maybe a press release?
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 09/19/2014 01:10 PM, Bob Hrbek (Loganet) via Af wrote:
>
> Holy crap, I nearly bought a link last month�
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Josh Baird via Af   
> wrote:
>
>
>  So were they just dumping inventory with the recent G2 promotions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>  On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jose Burgos via Af  
>  wrote:
>
> Yes, I heard that they closed their doors two (2) days ago.
>
> Sent from Jose's iPhone - Pinnacle Wireless
>
>
>
>  On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:57 PM, "Matt Jenkins via Af"  
>  wrote:
>
> I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or deny?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Ken, I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about Cambium screwing 
themselves because they built them to last forever.   People are willing to pay 
for quality since cost of ownership is much lower.  For example, if Cambium had 
the ePMP even 2 years ago or something 802.11 compatible (not that the ePMP is 
compatible), I would rather have paid 50% more for a radio that will be here in 
5 years.  I consider that the minimum life of the product before a new 
technology needs to be deployed and from an accounting standpoint, it fits the 
depreciation schedule.  As it is, we assume Ubiquiti will last 3 years since 
that's been our experience.  We are seeing the Nanobridges, AirRouters, and 
Toughswitches fail even faster than that though so our financials have to be 
adjusted and we have to charge more to cover it.  Our hope is that the new 
Nanobeams have a longer average lifespan than the last 2 product series so that 
all is right with the world.

As for 900Mhz, there are people that need something in that band.  However, 
it's going to take a different technology than 802.11 or something along the 
lines of an advanced 802.11 product to work down there.  Other than the WiMax 
products going into that band, I know of 2 other companies that have the 
potential to do some amazing things with the band and another technology that 
may be able to be used in that band.  We will see how that plays out.

I think short term if I was having to move into the sub-1GHz band, I'd 
seriously be looking at White Space as a temporary solution.  You might have to 
be creative with the financing options but I saw Radio Shack increase sales by 
bringing in outside financing options for clients when computers were big in 
the 80's, maybe there is something that could be done there.  I'm sure WISPER 
Ventures or one of the companies that have specialized financing might be able 
to come up with something.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken 
Hohhof via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't get any 
money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you will buy SmartNet 
on a router off eBay.

I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed themselves by 
making them last forever.

So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free firmware upgrade 
for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what some Cambium product 
manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.  If only TVWS was cheap.  If 
only there was some more low frequency spectrum that WISPs could get access to. 
 If only power companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.

Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread and 
butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the usage cap, 
but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that doesn't support video 
streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper than Exede, or just as fast 
with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky enough to be in an area where they don't 
have spot beams.  And AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed wireless 
over LTE.  And the ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do we 
do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 in 900 
MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too many 
hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large quantities 
simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to have an easy 
way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that 
feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know about it or have the 
time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform 
where we don't really need it yet.

While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still making 
money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us at least 
some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 replacement?  
Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but still only 2x 
modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within the next year.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there and not 
lose the 6db.
_

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

+eleventy-billion

On 9/19/2014 3:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you 
automate things, it helps if everything works the same.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Something is still messed up with the list text/HTML thing. I hit reply 
to this message and TB quoted only what's below.


Anyway I agree. As much as I hate it, we can't live without 900. We 
are doing everything we can to get customers on LOS, but the 900 is 
there as a last resort and is the only viable solution. We put up used 
(good condition) Rohn 25 for customers and charge them 10 or so % over 
cost + labor just to get them on LOS. It's very time consuming.


The problem I see with 900 MIMO/450 is replacing literally over a 
thousand antennas, customers and towers. We made a substantial 
investment in LMG/Antel 900-360H omni antennas. I know, omnis are bad, 
but they work for small sites. Problem is, we quickly outgrew most of 
the small sites, so we made yet another investment in sectorizing with 
at least 4x90's. To replace all of that now would be... no, just no.


Besides the antenna thing, V pol is trashed from all the SCADA and other 
crap so I see no point in trying to do MIMO in 900. 64-QAM SISO would be 
better than FSK.


On 9/19/2014 4:34 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do we 
do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 in 900 
MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too many 
hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large quantities 
simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to have an easy 
way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that 
feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know about it or have the 
time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform 
where we don't really need it yet.

While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still making 
money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us at least 
some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 replacement?  
Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but still only 2x 
modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within the next year.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Yeah, I’ve used the temporary 5.4 method.  And yes dual band was a nice gift in 
450, not sure why it suddenly became possible but never was in 100 or 430.  
Unfortunately 4.9 and 5.1 will not be same HW, but 5.4 and 5.7 together is 
really nice for many reasons.

Also, 10 MHz channels are working out really nice on 450.  I have used them to 
squeeze in a new sector when transitioning from 100 and am not feeling a lot of 
pressure yet to upgrade to 20 MHz, I’m sure it will happen eventually.  The 
extra range is nice.


From: Adam Moffett via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  Not the 
same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.


If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter what.  
The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in the same 
unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make that in 5.4?  So you 
put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, then switch it 
back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  The ones that might not work with 
the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last.

This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote ]:
---
   

  You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and 
my 430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages 
to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

  I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade the 
old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.

  The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.

  If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will 
be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am going to 
be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, 
that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to 
upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 
1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy 
(except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found 
you don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with 
a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst 
would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and 
literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer 
with a new radio out to them.


  From: That One Guy via Af 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

  --- [ That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote ]:
  --- 
--

  I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your 
cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium 
(sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise. 

  We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We 
can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

  Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, 
but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you 
know what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have evidence, 
but until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the kitchen and 
mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the grass grow?

  On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af  wrote:

--- [ Aaron Schneider  wrote ]:
---
Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an 
empty message...

Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been 
the ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing FSK 
version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.   
I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK 
releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and 
will see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of 
minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such as missin

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Are you sure Cambium is making money on PMP100?  Remember, they don't get 
any money for a used radio.  It's not like Cisco who thinks you will buy 
SmartNet on a router off eBay.


I'm sure they do sell some new PMP100, but they really screwed themselves by 
making them last forever.


So some new product to replace 900 FSK rather than just a free firmware 
upgrade for a radio built and sold long ago is probably what some Cambium 
product manager loses sleep over.  If only LTE was cheap.  If only TVWS was 
cheap.  If only there was some more low frequency spectrum that WISPs could 
get access to.  If only power companies would stop using 900 for smartgrid.


Didn't Tesla have some method of sending signals through the ground?

But I really have to wonder about you WISPs that use 900 as your bread and 
butter, how do you compete with stuff like Exede?  Yes, I know the usage 
cap, but how much usage can you rack up on a connection that doesn't support 
video streaming anyway?  We need to be either cheaper than Exede, or just as 
fast with higher usage caps.  Or be lucky enough to be in an area where they 
don't have spot beams.  And AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and DISH don't have fixed 
wireless over LTE.  And the ILEC doesn't get CAF money to run fiber or VDSL.



-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do 
we do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 
in 900 MHz?
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too 
many hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large 
quantities simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to 
have an easy way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been 
asking for that feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know 
about it or have the time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, 
but only on a platform where we don't really need it yet.


While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still 
making money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us 
at least some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 
replacement?  Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but 
still only 2x modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within 
the next year.


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there and not 
lose the 6db.


From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam 
Moffett via Af [af@afmug.com]

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  Not 
the same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.


If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter 
what.  The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in 
the same unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make that in 
5.4?  So you put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, 
then switch it back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  The ones that 
might not work with the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do 
them last.


This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---


You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and 
my 430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini 
outages to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.


I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade 
the old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.


The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.


If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it 
will be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am 
going to be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into 
PMP100, that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 
ways to upgrade a tower from PM

Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I've heard Centurylink is challenging claimed coverage by WISP's in it's 
territory.



On 9/19/2014 3:04 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
Um yeah agreed.  I have 13,000 census blocks in my submission. Not 
hand filtering that.
I take solace in the fact that in the rural areas we're concerned 
about getting CAF funding Time Warner's reported coverage is more 
egregiously wrong than mine. :)



I filed with A, but now have data in hand for B.   My RF coverage 
(based on radiomobile) has 4X as many blocks as I reported with A.   
I could still go back and amend the report.


I would love to go hand-groom the list... but over 6800 blocks is a 
bit much unless I can do it visually.




On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, Cameron Crum via Af wrote:
Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your 
better choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with 
LOS that you have a greater chance of providing service than with 
coverage maps as they tend to be rather subjective depending on what 
you consider acceptable "coverage" signal. I looked at both 
"subscriber only" blocks and blocks with simple "reasonable" radius 
from a tower for a couple of our wisps. The difference was 
significant. Since it could potentially mean that my customers get 
their networks overbuilt with fed money, I tend to lean towards the 
radius or "coverage plot" method which produces more blocks.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af > wrote:


Reluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.
Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every
addition from B.  It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it
every 6 months, but I’m asking in each case am I sure that I
could reach at least part of that census block, and if so, why
don’t I have any customers there yet?  I am more inclined to go
with RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If I’ve
been there 10 years and don’t have any customers in that block,
maybe I can’t cover it.  In some cases I find there are zero
buildings in the block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to
provide service there, more power to them.
I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on
this, I want to have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure
out a way, even if I pay Brian or something, to turn this into a
coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and use that as our
coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking.
For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise. 
What are all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero

customers?  Why no customers?  Nobody lives there?  Competitor
outguns me there?  Or just no word-of-mouth.  If so, maybe need
to send some postcards or knock on doors.
It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block
to see how many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in
that block.  If there are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and
none of them are my customers, why not?
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on
my RF coverage maps
C: Not yet decided




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Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Christopher Tyler via Af]

I love the 450, 450 is awesome, but 90% of our subs are on 900 MHz, what do we 
do there, where is our upgrade path, what is the replacement for PMP100 in 900 
MHz?  
We have no alternative to 900 for most of our customers where we are, too many 
hills and trees.  We are still deploying 900 MHz radios in large quantities 
simply because we can't use anything else.  Sure would be nice to have an easy 
way to configure those radios, we (Animal Farm) have only been asking for that 
feature for the last 8 years, not like they didn't know about it or have the 
time to figure it out.  Now they are giving it to us, but only on a platform 
where we don't really need it yet.

While I understand that PMP100 is somewhat antiquated, Cambium is still making 
money on it and will continue to make money on it, so why not give us at least 
some development beyond bug fixes at least until there is a 900 replacement?  
Why not a 450 in 900 MHz that's using the newer hardware but still only 2x 
modulation. We would literally buy thousands of them within the next year.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mathew Howard via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

 or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there and not 
lose the 6db.

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam Moffett 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  Not the 
same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.

If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter what.  
The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in the same 
unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make that in 5.4?  So you 
put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, then switch it 
back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  The ones that might not work with 
the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last.

This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---


You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and my 
430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages 
to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade the 
old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.

The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.

If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will 
be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am going to 
be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, 
that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to 
upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 
1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy 
(except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found 
you don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with 
a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst 
would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and 
literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer 
with a new radio out to them.


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

--- [ That One Guy 
 wrote ]:
---


I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your cards 
close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium (sales 
staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise.

We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We 
can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, but 
it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you know 
what shes doing, you know whats going to

Re: [AFMUG] Intermapper

[Scott Piehn via Af]

We are currently monitoring 5189 devices on a single IM server.

Have been using it for years.  Can't imagine running our network without it
Not really happy about their latest change in licensing
Have written many custom probes for various network devices.
don't use the flows module

email if you want further info
spi...@computerdyn.com





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-Original Message- 
From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 8:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Intermapper 

I know ( or I think ) Gino uses intermapper. I have gotten a price from 
Solarwinds which is very expensive. I have gotten a price from 
Intermapper as well which depending on how one looks at it is maybe not 
quite as expensive. Solarwinds is full of little gotchas with modules 
and such which make you think you are getting a price for what you want 
to do, then you find out that you can't do, X, Y, or Q unless you buy 
module Z.


Intermapper has some modularity but it is pretty upfront about it.

I know we just got done with this discussion but I was wondering if 
anyone has put Intermapper to the test and if so I would like to talk to 
you personally and if possible, see it in action on your network if you 
wouldn't mind.


--
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4309 Maple ST.
Abilene, TX 79602-8099
325-480-2590 Office
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Not sure there is validity to this claim.

References please? Pics of the "for sale" sign on the offices? :)

Maybe a press release?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 09/19/2014 01:10 PM, Bob Hrbek (Loganet) via Af wrote:

Holy crap, I nearly bought a link last month�


On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Josh Baird via Af  wrote:


So were they just dumping inventory with the recent G2 promotions?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jose Burgos via Af  wrote:

Yes, I heard that they closed their doors two (2) days ago.

Sent from Jose's iPhone - Pinnacle Wireless



On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:57 PM, "Matt Jenkins via Af"  wrote:

I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Mathew Howard via Af]

 or even better, put up the ePMP in 5.1, and you could leave it there and not 
lose the 6db.

From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Adam Moffett 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  Not the 
same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.

If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter what.  
The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 in the same 
unit.  Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make that in 5.4?  So you 
put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing subscribers, then switch it 
back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  The ones that might not work with 
the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify ahead of time and do them last.

This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---


You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and my 
430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages 
to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade the 
old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.

The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.

If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will 
be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am going to 
be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, 
that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to 
upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 
1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy 
(except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found 
you don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with 
a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst 
would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and 
literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer 
with a new radio out to them.


From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

--- [ That One Guy 
 wrote ]:
---


I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your cards 
close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium (sales 
staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise.

We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We 
can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, but 
it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you know 
what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have evidence, but 
until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing 
the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the grass grow?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
--- [ Aaron Schneider 
mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote ]:
---
Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an 
empty message...

Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been the 
ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing FSK 
version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.   
I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK 
releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and 
will see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of 
minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the 
None frequency.

George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.  Imagine the 
discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on tilt at 
the blackjack table. :)

-Aaron




-Original Message-
From: Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Bob Hrbek (Loganet) via Af]

Holy crap, I nearly bought a link last month…


On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Josh Baird via Af  wrote:

> So were they just dumping inventory with the recent G2 promotions?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Jose Burgos via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I heard that they closed their doors two (2) days ago. 
>> 
>> Sent from Jose's iPhone - Pinnacle Wireless
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:57 PM, "Matt Jenkins via Af"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Adam Moffett via Af]

You should check out ePMP 2.2 firmware.  The new GUI is much better.  
Not the same as Canopy, but it's a lot more familiar to navigate now.


If you replace PMP100 with anything else it will be a forklift no matter 
what.  The good thing about ePMP and 450 is they both have 5.7 and 5.4 
in the same unit. Presumably your PMP100 is 5.7.  Did they even make 
that in 5.4? So you put your new one on a 5.4 channel, start replacing 
subscribers, then switch it back to 5.7 so you can have your 6db back.  
The ones that might not work with the missing 6db on 5.4 you identify 
ahead of time and do them last.


This is theoretical right now, but it's happening here in a month or so.



--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---


You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 
10.5, and my 430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements 
to the GUI, but honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the 
trouble and mini outages to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.
I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you 
automate things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will 
probably upgrade the old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a 
mile long sessions list.
The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface 
improvements into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, 
they can train their people and write their software and have it work 
the same across the product line.  But evidently that logic was lost 
on the team that developed ePMP.
If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, 
it will be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do 
that.  I am going to be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible 
framing mode put into PMP100, that’s surely not a minor change, but 
without that, are the only 2 ways to upgrade a tower from PMP100 to 
ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 1-day forklift of all 
the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy (except on 
the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found you 
don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish 
with a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that 
much. The worst would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the 
tower at the same time and literally have to take down every sub on 
the tower until you get an installer with a new radio out to them.

*From:* That One Guy via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
--- [ That One Guy  wrote ]:
---


I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing 
your cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, 
but Cambium (sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear 
answer on its demise.
We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker 
shorts. We can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.
Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our 
answer, but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a 
cheating wife, you know what shes doing, you know whats going to 
happen when you have evidence, but until you hear it from her mouth, 
you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we 
stop painting and let the grass grow?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af > wrote:


--- [ Aaron Schneider mailto:aaron.schnei...@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote ]:
---
Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an
attachment to an empty message...

Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away,
we've been the ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a
break from releasing FSK version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next
refresh release from that was 13.1.   I don't think there has
been any full decision on the fate of future FSK releases but we
are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and will
see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the
couple of minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items
such as missing the None frequency.

George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas. 
Imagine the discussions you can have once you get some libations

in you and go on tilt at the blackjack table. :)

-Aaron




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider
=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com 
]
On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] De

Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Um yeah agreed.  I have 13,000 census blocks in my submission.  Not hand 
filtering that.
I take solace in the fact that in the rural areas we're concerned about 
getting CAF funding Time Warner's reported coverage is more egregiously 
wrong than mine. :)



I filed with A, but now have data in hand for B.   My RF coverage 
(based on radiomobile) has 4X as many blocks as I reported with A.   I 
could still go back and amend the report.


I would love to go hand-groom the list... but over 6800 blocks is a 
bit much unless I can do it visually.




On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, Cameron Crum via Af wrote:
Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your better 
choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with LOS that 
you have a greater chance of providing service than with coverage 
maps as they tend to be rather subjective depending on what you 
consider acceptable "coverage" signal. I looked at both "subscriber 
only" blocks and blocks with simple "reasonable" radius from a tower 
for a couple of our wisps. The difference was significant. Since it 
could potentially mean that my customers get their networks overbuilt 
with fed money, I tend to lean towards the radius or "coverage plot" 
method which produces more blocks.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af > wrote:


Reluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.
Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every
addition from B.  It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it
every 6 months, but I’m asking in each case am I sure that I
could reach at least part of that census block, and if so, why
don’t I have any customers there yet?  I am more inclined to go
with RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If I’ve been
there 10 years and don’t have any customers in that block, maybe
I can’t cover it.  In some cases I find there are zero buildings
in the block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to provide
service there, more power to them.
I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on
this, I want to have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure
out a way, even if I pay Brian or something, to turn this into a
coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and use that as our
coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking.
For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise. 
What are all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero

customers?  Why no customers?  Nobody lives there?  Competitor
outguns me there?  Or just no word-of-mouth.  If so, maybe need
to send some postcards or knock on doors.
It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block to
see how many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in
that block.  If there are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and
none of them are my customers, why not?
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my
RF coverage maps
C: Not yet decided




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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I filed with A, but now have data in hand for B.   My RF coverage (based 
on radiomobile) has 4X as many blocks as I reported with A. I could 
still go back and amend the report.


I would love to go hand-groom the list... but over 6800 blocks is a bit 
much unless I can do it visually.




On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, Cameron Crum via Af wrote:
Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your better 
choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with LOS that 
you have a greater chance of providing service than with coverage maps 
as they tend to be rather subjective depending on what you consider 
acceptable "coverage" signal. I looked at both "subscriber only" 
blocks and blocks with simple "reasonable" radius from a tower for a 
couple of our wisps. The difference was significant. Since it could 
potentially mean that my customers get their networks overbuilt with 
fed money, I tend to lean towards the radius or "coverage plot" method 
which produces more blocks.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af > wrote:


Reluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.
Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every
addition from B.  It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it
every 6 months, but I’m asking in each case am I sure that I could
reach at least part of that census block, and if so, why don’t I
have any customers there yet?  I am more inclined to go with RF
coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If I’ve been there 10
years and don’t have any customers in that block, maybe I can’t
cover it.  In some cases I find there are zero buildings in the
block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to provide service
there, more power to them.
I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on
this, I want to have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure out
a way, even if I pay Brian or something, to turn this into a
coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and use that as our
coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking.
For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise. 
What are all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero

customers?  Why no customers?  Nobody lives there?  Competitor
outguns me there?  Or just no word-of-mouth.  If so, maybe need to
send some postcards or knock on doors.
It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block to
see how many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in that
block.  If there are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and none
of them are my customers, why not?
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my
RF coverage maps
C: Not yet decided




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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Cameron Crum via Af]

Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your better
choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with LOS that you
have a greater chance of providing service than with coverage maps as they
tend to be rather subjective depending on what you consider acceptable
"coverage" signal. I looked at both "subscriber only" blocks and blocks
with simple "reasonable" radius from a tower for a couple of our wisps. The
difference was significant. Since it could potentially mean that my
customers get their networks overbuilt with fed money, I tend to lean
towards the radius or "coverage plot" method which produces more blocks.

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Reluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.
>
> Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every addition from
> B.  It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it every 6 months, but I’m
> asking in each case am I sure that I could reach at least part of that
> census block, and if so, why don’t I have any customers there yet?  I am
> more inclined to go with RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If
> I’ve been there 10 years and don’t have any customers in that block, maybe
> I can’t cover it.  In some cases I find there are zero buildings in the
> block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to provide service there, more
> power to them.
>
> I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on this, I want
> to have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure out a way, even if I pay
> Brian or something, to turn this into a coverage map and/or Google Earth
> overlay and use that as our coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which
> I find lacking.
>
> For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise.  What are
> all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero customers?  Why no
> customers?  Nobody lives there?  Competitor outguns me there?  Or just no
> word-of-mouth.  If so, maybe need to send some postcards or knock on doors.
>
> It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block to see how
> many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in that block.  If there
> are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and none of them are my customers,
> why not?
>
>
>
>  *From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
>
> I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.
>
> A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
> B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF
> coverage maps
> C: Not yet decided
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

signatureReluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.

Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every addition from B.  
It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it every 6 months, but I’m asking in 
each case am I sure that I could reach at least part of that census block, and 
if so, why don’t I have any customers there yet?  I am more inclined to go with 
RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If I’ve been there 10 years and 
don’t have any customers in that block, maybe I can’t cover it.  In some cases 
I find there are zero buildings in the block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF 
money to provide service there, more power to them.

I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on this, I want to 
have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure out a way, even if I pay Brian 
or something, to turn this into a coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and 
use that as our coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking.

For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise.  What are all 
the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero customers?  Why no customers?  
Nobody lives there?  Competitor outguns me there?  Or just no word-of-mouth.  
If so, maybe need to send some postcards or knock on doors.

It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block to see how many 
housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in that block.  If there are 10 
houses and 30 people in a block and none of them are my customers, why not?



From: Randy Cosby via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF coverage 
maps
C: Not yet decided





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Re: [AFMUG] 477 for dummys

[Simon Westlake via Af]

Come on Steve, get upgraded! You've still got a couple of weeks!

On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

--- [ That One Guy  wrote ]:
---


you have to be on v10, we are not. I believe he said we can import 
data to the demo server and do something


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Cameron Crum via Af > wrote:


I'm pretty sure Simon said that PowerCode would create the files
for you didn't he? Wouldn't that be your easier route?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

They want census blocks where you have service deployed, and
then census tracts where actual subscribers are.  The latter
can still come out of your billing system.

I'm sure how 2-year old friendly you can get.

I downloaded census block shape files (.shp) from the census
web site.  Imported those into Manifold GIS.

I generated coverage maps in Radiomobile. Imported the images
into Manifold GIS.  Then altered the projection so the image
would match actual geography (you basically take some numbers
from the KML file and do a little non-difficult math).

Then I used the auto tracing tool in Manifold to create
polygons that cover the image generated by radio mobile...you
have to use a solid color overlay in Radiomobile for this, not
a heatmap.

Then I did a transform to create a new drawing showing the
census blocks that intersect the radio coverage polygons. 
Lather, rinse, and repeat for each type of coverage that might

matter.

At this point I've got tables of census blocks for each type
of radio coverage.  I'm only supposed to report each block
once (unless it's served under a different company name, or
with a different technology, since these are all fixed
wireless I only report them once).  To get one table where
only the highest available speed is reported, I imported the
various tables into MySQL using the census block as the
primary key and imported them in order of speed from lowest to
highest.

Then I exported the resulting table into a csv that I can
upload to the FCC.

It takes longer to learn all these steps than it took me to
explain it.  It's also pretty time consuming and tedious. 
It's totally do-able if you have a few hundred bucks to spend

on software and a number of days to spend on figuring it all
out.  Now that's all figured out, I could repeat the process
with your coverage overlays for a nominal fee :)


The previous 477 filing was confusing enough to me. I
submittted data that
was generated for me from our billing system without
actually knowing what
exactly it was or how to verify it was accurate.
Now with the new system, Im completely lost. Im afraid of
the feds and
their black helicopters that will sweep in and take my
children to gitmo
(not all that concerned about the old lady, I can find
somebody else to run
the vaccum)

Can somebody please explain to me like im a two year old
what all the steps
are and the details of what the information is they want.
And maybe even a
simpletons description of how to obtain it accurately?

As I understand it the gist is to provide the FCC with
subscribership
information so they can value the census blocks regarding
current
penetration and subscribership. I assume the compare the
combined
subscriber-ship with census data to calculate what
percentage of citizens
are being served in each block? But as I understand it, if
no voice service
is offered, or subscribed to, the block is considered
unserved?

If we dont have our filing in by the Oct 1 deadline, they
will firebomb a
village in africa?






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you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Simon Westlake via Af]

We did 'A' for our ISP, and we have built the 'A' method into Powercode.

I've seen arguments that reporting 'A' is incorrect, but I think you 
could make the argument that, unless you can definitively state that 
every single piece of your coverage map is 100% accurate, it is also 
incorrect. Even with an accurate coverage map, there could be trees or 
other problems that you haven't accounted for that make the report


My guess is that you're going to see a mix of 'A' and 'B' reporting for 
this cycle unless the FCC comes up with a very definitive answer as to 
what the 'proper' methodology is. If this data is going to be used for 
CAF funding, then you could definitely argue that reporting using the 
'B' method is a lot better for your business. We just didn't have 
anything in place to be able to turn around a 'B' method quickly enough 
for this year.


On 9/19/2014 3:23 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF 
coverage maps

C: Not yet decided




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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Adam Moffett via Af]

B

On 9/19/2014 4:23 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF 
coverage maps

C: Not yet decided




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[AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on my RF 
coverage maps

C: Not yet decided




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Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---OK, I realize I’m hijacking this thread, but every time I’ve tried to post 
about this, my emails have gone to /dev/null.

It seems certain topics get blocked by some sort of philter.  Have you noticed 
it’s Friday and no 4 sail posts?  Also no auf topik posts?  (trying to avoid 
getting philtered, even asking about it seems to be forbidden)


-Original Message- 
From: James Howard via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!? 

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
I'm using Outlook and if I change the format to plain text when typing it 
doesn't split the message into attachments.  I sent this just before your last 
message came through saying you were diagnosing the issue.  

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
ABSOLUTELY !!! :)

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Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
All the other stuff that was being complained about didn't bother me at all 
(mostly because I was on vacation and it just caused a few hundred more 
messages to end up in my inbox instead of being moved by the rules). This issue 
with the messages either coming in empty for some people or having the actual 
message in attachments is awful though! 

Seriously though, thanks for all the work that you're doing on getting the list 
moved over and up to snuff!

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Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---You’re probably right about me.  Honestly, my FSK is still all on 10.5, and my 
430 is still on 11.2.  I’d like some of the improvements to the GUI, but 
honestly, at some point you wonder if it’s worth the trouble and mini outages 
to do the firmware upgrades on legacy stuff.

I guess from an operations standpoint though, especially if you automate 
things, it helps if everything works the same.  And I will probably upgrade the 
old stuff, if only to avoid scrolling through a mile long sessions list.

The argument for continuing to roll human and machine interface improvements 
into PMP100 is that’s what keeps WISPs buying Cambium, they can train their 
people and write their software and have it work the same across the product 
line.  But evidently that logic was lost on the team that developed ePMP.

If the sales strategy is to convince WISPs to convert PMP100 to ePMP, it will 
be interesting to hear what the recommended way is to do that.  I am going to 
be very surprised to see an ePMP compatible framing mode put into PMP100, 
that’s surely not a minor change, but without that, are the only 2 ways to 
upgrade a tower from PMP100 to ePMP either find some spare spectrum, or do a 
1-day forklift of all the subs?  A PMP100 to PMP450 forklift can be pretty easy 
(except on the pocketbook) if you already have reflector dishes, we’ve found 
you don’t even have to realign the dishes.  But replacing a reflector dish with 
a Force100 will probably take a little longer.  Maybe not that much.  The worst 
would be if you can’t have both sets of APs on the tower at the same time and 
literally have to take down every sub on the tower until you get an installer 
with a new radio out to them.


From: That One Guy via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

--- [ That One Guy  wrote ]:
--- 




I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your cards 
close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium (sales 
staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its demise. 

We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts. We 
can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer, but 
it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife, you know 
what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have evidence, but 
until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the kitchen and mowing 
the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the grass grow?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af  wrote:

  --- [ Aaron Schneider  wrote ]:
  ---
  Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an 
empty message...

  Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been the 
ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing FSK 
version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.   
I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK 
releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and 
will see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of 
minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the 
None frequency.

  George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.  Imagine the 
discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on tilt at 
the blackjack table. :)

  -Aaron




  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


  --- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"  wrote ]:
  ---





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All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
I'm using Outlook and if I change the format to plain text when typing it 
doesn't split the message into attachments.  I sent this just before your last 
message came through saying you were diagnosing the issue.  

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
ABSOLUTELY !!! :)

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Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
All the other stuff that was being complained about didn't bother me at all 
(mostly because I was on vacation and it just caused a few hundred more 
messages to end up in my inbox instead of being moved by the rules). This issue 
with the messages either coming in empty for some people or having the actual 
message in attachments is awful though! 

Seriously though, thanks for all the work that you're doing on getting the list 
moved over and up to snuff!

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Re: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

[Paul McCall via Af]

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
ABSOLUTELY !!! :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
All the other stuff that was being complained about didn't bother me at all 
(mostly because I was on vacation and it just caused a few hundred more 
messages to end up in my inbox instead of being moved by the rules).  This 
issue with the messages either coming in empty for some people or having the 
actual message in attachments is awful though!   

Seriously though, thanks for all the work that you're doing on getting the list 
moved over and up to snuff!

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

[AFMUG] Can you fix it Paul?!?!?!?

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
All the other stuff that was being complained about didn't bother me at all 
(mostly because I was on vacation and it just caused a few hundred more 
messages to end up in my inbox instead of being moved by the rules).  This 
issue with the messages either coming in empty for some people or having the 
actual message in attachments is awful though!   

Seriously though, thanks for all the work that you're doing on getting the list 
moved over and up to snuff!

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Seth Mattinen via Af]

--- [ Seth Mattinen  wrote ]:
---
On 9/19/14, 12:50, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted
on the first line.  That's an improvement!



Ugh, I think it's the opposite. Why can't the headers be fixed?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Steve D via Af]

--- [ Steve D  wrote ]:
---Not seeing this in GMail.

Am seeing the "from" thing in the first line.  I don't think that's much of
an improvement...

-Steve D

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

> --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
> ---
> Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted on
> the first line.  That's an improvement!
>
> bp
>
>
> On 9/19/2014 12:42 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
>
>> --- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
>> ---
>> I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf
>> Of Chris Wright via Af
>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
>>
>> --- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
>> ---
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Paul McCall via Af]

--- [ Paul McCall  wrote ]:
---
We see it and are diagnosing it :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler 
Treat via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

--- [ Tyler Treat  wrote ]:
---
mine are empty in Office365 and normal on iphone
weird.

From: Af  on behalf of Bill 
Prince via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---
Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted on the 
first line.  That's an improvement!

bp

On 9/19/2014 12:42 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
> --- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
> ---
> I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
>
> --- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
> ---
>

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Tyler Treat via Af]

--- [ Tyler Treat  wrote ]:
---
mine are empty in Office365 and normal on iphone
weird.

From: Af  on behalf of Bill 
Prince via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---
Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted
on the first line.  That's an improvement!

bp

On 9/19/2014 12:42 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
> --- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
> ---
> I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Wright via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.
>
> --- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
> ---
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[That One Guy via Af]

--- [ That One Guy  wrote ]:
---I really wish that cambium was more forthright, I understand playing your
cards close to your chest. we knew with 320 it was a dead duck, but Cambium
(sales staff in particular) would never put out a clear answer on its
demise.

We all wear big boy pants around here, except ken, he wears biker shorts.
We can handle the truth and would much prefer to plan accordingly.

Im oretty sure that since 100 wont be getting .2 that gives us our answer,
but it would be nice to have it formalized, Cambiums like a cheating wife,
you know what shes doing, you know whats going to happen when you have
evidence, but until you hear it from her mouth, you keep on painting the
kitchen and mowing the lawn. Cambium, can we stop painting and let the
grass grow?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af 
wrote:

> --- [ Aaron Schneider  wrote ]:
> ---
> Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to
> an empty message...
>
> Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been
> the ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing
> FSK version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was
> 13.1.   I don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of
> future FSK releases but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450
> products and will see then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with
> the couple of minor (meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such
> as missing the None frequency.
>
> George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.  Imagine
> the discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on
> tilt at the blackjack table. :)
>
> -Aaron
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com]
> On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> --- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"  wrote ]:
> ---
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] empty messages

[Bill Prince via Af]

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---
Hrrrmmm.  Not empty ones.  But new messages all have the "From" posted 
on the first line.  That's an improvement!


bp

On 9/19/2014 12:42 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:

--- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
---
I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Wright via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

--- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
---

Re: [AFMUG] Test - Ignore if you feel like it

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---
Is it an HTML issue?  It's breaking every message into a message and 2 
attachments for me.  The .txt and .htm versions of the actual message.

Seems to have started with Ray Savich's message at 12:39pm (Central time) today.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James 
Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Test - Ignore if you feel like it

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---

[AFMUG] Test - Ignore if you feel like it

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---Just a test.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 for dummys

[That One Guy via Af]

--- [ That One Guy  wrote ]:
---you have to be on v10, we are not. I believe he said we can import data to
the demo server and do something

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Cameron Crum via Af  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure Simon said that PowerCode would create the files for you
> didn't he? Wouldn't that be your easier route?
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:
>
>> They want census blocks where you have service deployed, and then census
>> tracts where actual subscribers are.  The latter can still come out of your
>> billing system.
>>
>> I'm sure how 2-year old friendly you can get.
>>
>> I downloaded census block shape files (.shp) from the census web site.
>> Imported those into Manifold GIS.
>>
>> I generated coverage maps in Radiomobile.  Imported the images into
>> Manifold GIS.  Then altered the projection so the image would match actual
>> geography (you basically take some numbers from the KML file and do a
>> little non-difficult math).
>>
>> Then I used the auto tracing tool in Manifold to create polygons that
>> cover the image generated by radio mobile...you have to use a solid color
>> overlay in Radiomobile for this, not a heatmap.
>>
>> Then I did a transform to create a new drawing showing the census blocks
>> that intersect the radio coverage polygons.  Lather, rinse, and repeat for
>> each type of coverage that might matter.
>>
>> At this point I've got tables of census blocks for each type of radio
>> coverage.  I'm only supposed to report each block once (unless it's served
>> under a different company name, or with a different technology, since these
>> are all fixed wireless I only report them once).  To get one table where
>> only the highest available speed is reported, I imported the various tables
>> into MySQL using the census block as the primary key and imported them in
>> order of speed from lowest to highest.
>>
>> Then I exported the resulting table into a csv that I can upload to the
>> FCC.
>>
>> It takes longer to learn all these steps than it took me to explain it.
>> It's also pretty time consuming and tedious.  It's totally do-able if you
>> have a few hundred bucks to spend on software and a number of days to spend
>> on figuring it all out.  Now that's all figured out, I could repeat the
>> process with your coverage overlays for a nominal fee :)
>>
>>
>>  The previous 477 filing was confusing enough to me. I submittted data
>>> that
>>> was generated for me from our billing system without actually knowing
>>> what
>>> exactly it was or how to verify it was accurate.
>>> Now with the new system, Im completely lost. Im afraid of the feds and
>>> their black helicopters that will sweep in and take my children to gitmo
>>> (not all that concerned about the old lady, I can find somebody else to
>>> run
>>> the vaccum)
>>>
>>> Can somebody please explain to me like im a two year old what all the
>>> steps
>>> are and the details of what the information is they want. And maybe even
>>> a
>>> simpletons description of how to obtain it accurately?
>>>
>>> As I understand it the gist is to provide the FCC with subscribership
>>> information so they can value the census blocks regarding current
>>> penetration and subscribership. I assume the compare the combined
>>> subscriber-ship with census data to calculate what percentage of citizens
>>> are being served in each block? But as I understand it, if no voice
>>> service
>>> is offered, or subscribed to, the block is considered unserved?
>>>
>>> If we dont have our filing in by the Oct 1 deadline, they will firebomb a
>>> village in africa?
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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[AFMUG] empty messages

[Rory Conaway via Af]

--- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
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I'm getting a boatload of empty messages.  Just letting you know.

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Of Chris Wright via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

--- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
---

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Aaron Schneider via Af]

--- [ Aaron Schneider  wrote ]:
---
Hmm, this is odd - yours and Sean's messages came in as an attachment to an 
empty message...

Anyways, yes, we are well aware that FSK is never going away, we've been the 
ones keeping it going for this long!  We took a break from releasing FSK 
version from 11.2 to 12.1 and the next refresh release from that was 13.1.   I 
don't think there has been any full decision on the fate of future FSK releases 
but we are concentrating 13.2 and 13.3 on the 430/450 products and will see 
then.   I'll see if we can get a point release with the couple of minor 
(meaning to fix, not meaning "minor impact") items such as missing the None 
frequency.

George you need to talk your boss into letting you go to Vegas.  Imagine the 
discussions you can have once you get some libations in you and go on tilt at 
the blackjack table. :)

-Aaron




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Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

--- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"  wrote ]:
---

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Chris Wright via Af]

--- [ Chris Wright  wrote ]:
---Not yet. They have to hold their IPO purchase for 180 days first. Let's see 
where the price is in six months.

Chris Wright
Velociter Wireless

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - 
Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


been watching it in real time, has swung from about 98 to 92 but hasn't dropped 
below $90.
wall streeters got filthy RICH on this one.  initial offering to them at 
$68geez

- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make a TON 
of money if their timing is right.

Travis
On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but sorrow. 
 Too much hype.  Too much unknown.



bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---I didn't say that everyone loses money, just that in order for one person to 
make money it has to come from someone else. No one technically "loses" their 
money unless they end up selling those stocks at a lower price.

I was just responding to the comment about it being the only way people were 
going to make money.  You could make the statement that it's also going to be 
the way that most of the money is lost on this stock (if they bought when it 
was overpriced).

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Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

--- [ "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote ]:
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Long term the stocks I'm interested in right now are Apple, Netflix, and 
Facebook.  They all have performed well long term.
 I do not currently have any Netflix but it's also had a bit of a rocky road.  
Look at its one year chart.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  --- [ Travis Johnson  wrote ]:
  ---


--


  The stock market is not a good "long term" investment, in my opinion 
unless you go into a fund like T. Rowe Price Blue Chip (which has returned me 
30% so far this year). A single stock is just too risky.

  The play is the one day in and out game... like this Alibaba stock... 

  Travis


  On 9/19/2014 11:39 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---
 

Wait until the euphoria wears off.  I'll bet it hits $60 before the end of 
the year.


bpOn 9/19/2014 9:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


  wheit really tanked there.   below $91

- Original Message - 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.



interesting...i'm listening. lol.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will 
make a TON of money if their timing is right.

  Travis


  On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing 
but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


  Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
  Thoughts?
  Comments?
  Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

--- [ "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote ]:
---
Well, it's all buying and selling.  If I purchase at $92, someone else had to 
be willing to sell at $92.
If that guy happened to purchase at $68, he made quite a bit of money before i 
bought his shares.

If I sell at $140, I'll make some money.but someone has to be willing to 
buy at $140 for me to complete
the transaction.

So - wouldn't particularly call it "we all lost money"

  - Original Message - 
  From: James Howard via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  --- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
  ---


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  Does anyone ever make money in the stock market without someone else losing 
that same amount of money?  Wealth isn't created in the stock market, it's 
transferred.

   

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McKemie via Af
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:54 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

--- [ "Ken Hohhof"  wrote ]:
---Well, Jack Ma is a lot wealthier than he was yesterday.

OK, you’re right, he already created the wealth, he just cashed out.  But in 
today’s economy, does anyone really create wealth?  What is alibaba, a website? 
 It’s not like he built something tangible.  The two drivers of our world 
economy – finance and the Internet – are kind of based on fictional creations, 
it’s like living in The Matrix.  Strangely, these new age creations even take 
away wealth that was created in the physical world, like who wants to own 
copper phonelines anymore?  Brick and mortar stores?  CDs and DVDs.  Film 
photography?  Newspapers and books?  Even cars, if Uber catches on.  The only 
physical things people seem to still want are houses and pets and smartphones.  
And smartwatches?

From: James Howard via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
--- 




Does anyone ever make money in the stock market without someone else losing 
that same amount of money?  Wealth isn’t created in the stock market, it’s 
transferred.

 

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McKemie via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:54 PM
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Re: [AFMUG] Exalt?

[Jason McKemie via Af]

--- [ Jason McKemie  wrote ]:
---I'm still seeing coops deploying Exalt, just got a PCN today for a link.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:

> I heard a rumor that Exalt went out of business. Can anyone confirm or
> deny?
>

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[James Howard via Af]

--- [ James Howard  wrote ]:
---Does anyone ever make money in the stock market without someone else losing 
that same amount of money?  Wealth isn't created in the stock market, it's 
transferred.

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Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Jason McKemie via Af]

--- [ Jason McKemie  wrote ]:
---Exactly, that's the only way anyone is going to make money on this.

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Travis Johnson via Af  wrote:

> The play is the one day in and out game... like this Alibaba stock...

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Travis Johnson via Af]

--- [ Travis Johnson  wrote ]:
---The stock market is not a good "long term" investment, in my opinion 
unless you go into a fund like T. Rowe Price Blue Chip (which has 
returned me 30% so far this year). A single stock is just too risky.


The play is the one day in and out game... like this Alibaba stock...

Travis

On 9/19/2014 11:39 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---


Wait until the euphoria wears off. I'll bet it hits $60 before the end 
of the year.


bp
On 9/19/2014 9:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

wheit really tanked there. below $91

- Original Message -
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people
will make a TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis

On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see
nothing but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.

bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

--- [ "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote ]:
---
I did buy some, i'm curious to see this one long term, but i got some of that 
hype from reading and looking around (and yes, watching some tv).  obviously as 
several have said, no one got in at $68 unless you live on wall street.  I got 
in at $91.50. 
Thus far watching pricing today, i'm happy.  It could drop to $60 next week ; i 
could then buy more :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  --- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
  ---


--


  Right this moment, there are more public buyers than sellers.  With all the 
hype, that's not surprising.

  If you didn't buy it on the IPO price, it will be difficult to make money.

  In the back of my mind I'm thinking "suckers".


bpOn 9/19/2014 9:15 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


been watching it in real time, has swung from about 98 to 92 but hasn't 
dropped below $90.
wall streeters got filthy RICH on this one.  initial offering to them at 
$68geez

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.



  interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make 
a TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis


On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

  I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing 
but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Sean Heskett via Af]

--- [ Sean Heskett  wrote ]:
---The last software release for FSK is 13.1.3 except they are going to
probably release 13.1.4 because 2.4ghz is missing the freq of "none"

After that there will be no more updates for FSK.

Sean

On Friday, September 19, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>
> Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to see which way the wind is blowing.  I
> assume at some point the pmp100 will get a feature freezeI'm hoping
> it's not yet :)
>
>> Inquiring minds want to know...
>>
>> Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full
>> are 430/450's.
>> Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still
>> good news, but of limited use to us right now.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting

[Adam Moffett via Af]

--- [ Adam Moffett  wrote ]:
---

Speaking of that, it arrived today.
It's solid stainless steel.  For $9 I expected plastic.



I found the Cambium mount that Paul McCall mentioned. It was like $9.
Thanks though.

Here is your fix.

http://www.rfelements.com/en/products/brackets/easybracket-for-epmp/

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From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+gregwosborn=gmail@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of

Jerry Head via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP AP mounting

My 2.4 ePMP Cambium sectors do not have the pocket for the GPS puck.
The KP antennas were supposed to come with a box for the radio which
"sticks" to the back of the sector, a little ghetto I know.

On 9/16/2014 3:30 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

When I bought a 2.4 ePMP AP awhile ago, the Cambium sector antennas
were out of stock, so I ended up buying a KP Performance sector
antenna on somebody's recommendation.  Then that project got shelved
for 3 monthsand I wish I had known that would happen because I
would have just waited for the Cambium sector.

Here's my problem with the 3rd party antenna:  What do you mount the
AP too?  It's clearly designed to mount to the Cambium sector and not
really to anything else.

And then what do you do with the little magnetic GPS antenna? It fits
into a pocket on the Cambium sector antenna that I don't have. Is it
even weatherproof on its own?

[AFMUG] FW: ePmp real world SM capacity

[Rory Conaway via Af]

--- [ "Rory Conaway"  wrote ]:
---
Anyone getting these?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Ray Savich via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:39 AM
To: Rory Conaway
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePmp real world SM capacity

--- [ Ray Savich  wrote ]:
---

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP real world SM capacity

[Curt Cormier - Kayse Wireless via Af]

--- [ Curt Cormier - Kayse Wireless  wrote ]:
---
We have 50 Customers on an ePMP 2.4Ghz Omni with very little trouble offering 
speeds up to 15Mbps. We are now starting to move that omni to sectors.





From: Af [af-bounces+lists=kaysewireless@afmug.com] on behalf of Ray Savich 
via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:41 PM
To: Curt Cormier - Kayse Wireless
Cc: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP real world SM capacity

--- [ Ray Savich  wrote ]:
---

Curt Cormier - Kayse Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

--- [ "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"  wrote ]:
---That is highly disappointing. You know FSK will never go away, right? 
Hopefully at some point PMP100 will get this feature. I can always hope, 
right? Well then please at least get out the next 13.1.x to fix the None 
frequency issue on 2.4GHz FSK, because I can't turn APs off without much 
fanagling!


On 9/19/2014 11:49 AM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:


13.3 is currently only planned for PMP450/430 and PTP450/230, as is 
13.2.   PMP/PTP100 were brought up in line with 13.1.3 but won�t be 
getting 13.2 or 13.3 at this point.


*From:*Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af

*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and 
up, or just the 430/450?


You�ll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below.
The SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the
HTTP or TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA
provisioning works. On the PBX or switch, your station config
files would reside in some directory and the handset would request
001122334455.cfg or 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how
zero-touch auto-provision works, at least with the VoIP crap I've
messed with. What I'm looking for is how to tie X device to X
customer in say a billing/support/provisioning system. And if the
SM dies, then rename the file with the new ESN.

So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function,
then yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I
think it would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of
the config, but we've had that discussion before.

Off my rocker now? :)

On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will
provide the filename via option66 string within the url itself.

Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first
release. But we are working on it.

You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config
is in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left
enabled. �But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the
config file.

Aaron

 Original message 

From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"

Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers
via ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it
contacts the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP
phones and things like that.

ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with
v11.1. Once the SM is configured with color codes other than
CC1=0 and the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively
disabled.

The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it.
Well, maybe I could, but why.

I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I
need a much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd
like to give the guys a basic template that they keep on their
field PCs to load into new radios to set up things like
default QoS, protocol filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS
handles only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp
client? �so if we are using this, we will want to
remember to have part of the dump config be to disable ICC
or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC on a different
AP, as has been the case in the past, it will become
defaulted, or at least defaulted to the configured default
configuration? This could be problematic, stranding a
subscriber if a competitor is also running option 66 via
ICC couldnt it? 

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Bill Prince via Af]

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---Right this moment, there are more public buyers than sellers.  With all 
the hype, that's not surprising.


If you didn't buy it on the IPO price, it will be difficult to make money.

In the back of my mind I'm thinking "suckers".

bp

On 9/19/2014 9:15 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
been watching it in real time, has swung from about 98 to 92 but 
hasn't dropped below $90.
wall streeters got filthy RICH on this one.  initial offering to them 
at $68geez


- Original Message -
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people
will make a TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis

On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see
nothing but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.

bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

[AFMUG] ePMP real world SM capacity

[Ray Savich via Af]

--- [ Ray Savich  wrote ]:
---Hi All,
We do have a customer in Colombia who has live traffic to 67 SMs per AP, and 
has run field tests to prove 87. Also, we recently published a case study with 
Eszaknet in Hungary with 50 SMs per AP at  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cs-eszaknet .

Ray

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Bill Prince via Af]

--- [ Bill Prince  wrote ]:
---Wait until the euphoria wears off. I'll bet it hits $60 before the end 
of the year.


bp

On 9/19/2014 9:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

wheit really tanked there.   below $91

- Original Message -
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson via Af 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.

I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people
will make a TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis

On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see
nothing but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.

bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] ePmp real world SM capacity

[Ray Savich via Af]

--- [ Ray Savich  wrote ]:
---Hi All,
We do have a customer in Colombia who has live traffic to 67 SMs per AP, and 
has run field tests to prove 87. Also, we recently published a case study with 
Eszaknet in Hungary with 50 SMs per AP at  
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/cs-eszaknet .

Ray

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+ray.savich=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePmp real world SM capacity


I can't comment on what we're seeing because I don't have much to see.
At the ePMP tour in Albany yesterday they said they'd tested with up to 120 
SM's, but they said 50-60 was a safer number.  They didn't know of anyone who 
had that many on an AP yet.
I've spent the last hour going through search results on the list to  find real 
world feedback on how many clients an ePMP will hold. Anyone want to chime in 
what they're seeing and what kind of speeds you offer?

Andy Trimmell
System Engineer
Precision Data Solutions, LLC
Mooresville, IN 46158
317-831-3000 ext 211
www.pdsconnect.me

Re: [AFMUG] wispa.org down?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

OK here.

From: Patrick Wheeland via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] wispa.org down?

I was trying to look up the American Tower WISPA contact but can't pull up 
wispa.org.  My DNS servers won't resolve the name.  If I use google's DNS, I 
get the IP but if I put that in my browser I get a TurnKey LAMP page.  Is 
anyone else having trouble pulling up wispa.org?


-Patrick 

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

For a block you only specify one option 66 parameter, usually the tftp 
server IP. Each SM will get a slightly different config file. I can't 
see any feasible use for sending the config file name with option 66.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/18/2014 06:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide the 
filename via option66 string within the url itself.


Another option would be radius profiles with config file url delivered 
via a VSA.  Not sure that will get into first release. But we are 
working on it.


You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is in 
place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled.  But 
you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.


Aaron



 Original message 
From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"
Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via ICC. 
It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts the 
HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like 
http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP phones and 
things like that.


ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1. Once 
the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and the reset 
zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.


The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via ICC, I 
wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well, maybe I 
could, but why.


I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a 
much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give the 
guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to load into 
new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol filters, admin 
password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN.


Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client?  so if 
we are using this, we will want to remember to have part of the dump 
config be to disable ICC or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC 
on a different AP, as has been the case in the past, it will become 
defaulted, or at least defaulted to the configured default 
configuration? This could be problematic, stranding a subscriber if a 
competitor is also running option 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is there 
a way to mitigate that?


On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a
RADIUS VSA option too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both are good
with me.


On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

Hi George -

I know this was a long time ago (and has been an even longer
time coming), but attached is what I sent after AF2014.

What we have now is the file format, it will be JSON based
and there will be a published spec.  It will also work with
DHCP Option 66.  For Zero Touch Config type of operation, we
are leveraging the ICC feature in that once a radio is on
13.3, if a radio registers via ICC, it will turn on DHCP and
request Option 66.  That option can be populated with a URL
to the config file (HTTP or TFTP) that will be retrieved and
applied and if a reboot is required, the reboot will be
applied. Once the SM comes back if it had to reboot, it will
be on the new configuration.

You will also be able to backup/restore the file via the
webpage and SNMP and read it and edit it.

Again, this is coming in 13.3 release and we'll be discussing
some things at WISPAPALOOZA related to this.  Obviously an SM
needs to be on 13.3 to support this, so the fully promise of
Zero Touch Config won't be there until SMs are shipping with
13.3 on them.

That is the update we have to give you at this point.

Regards,
-Aaron




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider
=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of George
Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I know a TFTP config download kind of thing was talked about
before. But it would be nice if we could manually apply a
config template file directly through the SM GUI, so I can
have the guys get new or recovered radios set up without
having to mess with too many things (AP, TFTP server, etc),
   

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Adam Moffett via Af]

/me cries softly at the impending death of his PMP100.

13.3 is currently only planned for PMP450/430 and PTP450/230, as is 
13.2.   PMP/PTP100 were brought up in line with 13.1.3 but won't be 
getting 13.2 or 13.3 at this point.


*From:*Af 
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af

*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and 
up, or just the 430/450?


You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below.
The SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the
HTTP or TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA
provisioning works. On the PBX or switch, your station config
files would reside in some directory and the handset would request
001122334455.cfg or 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how
zero-touch auto-provision works, at least with the VoIP crap I've
messed with. What I'm looking for is how to tie X device to X
customer in say a billing/support/provisioning system. And if the
SM dies, then rename the file with the new ESN.

So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function,
then yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I
think it would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of
the config, but we've had that discussion before.

Off my rocker now? :)

On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will
provide the filename via option66 string within the url itself.

Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first
release. But we are working on it.

You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config
is in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left
enabled. �But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the
config file.

Aaron

 Original message 

From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"

Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers
via ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it
contacts the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP
phones and things like that.

ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with
v11.1. Once the SM is configured with color codes other than
CC1=0 and the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively
disabled.

The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it.
Well, maybe I could, but why.

I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I
need a much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd
like to give the guys a basic template that they keep on their
field PCs to load into new radios to set up things like
default QoS, protocol filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS
handles only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp
client? �so if we are using this, we will want to
remember to have part of the dump config be to disable ICC
or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC on a different
AP, as has been the case in the past, it will become
defaulted, or at least defaulted to the configured default
configuration? This could be problematic, stranding a
subscriber if a competitor is also running option 66 via
ICC couldnt it? or is there a way to mitigate that?

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
wrote:

That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about
a RADIUS VSA option too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both
are good with me.



On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schn

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Aaron Schneider via Af]

13.3 is currently only planned for PMP450/430 and PTP450/230, as is 13.2.   
PMP/PTP100 were brought up in line with 13.1.3 but won't be getting 13.2 or 
13.3 at this point.


From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and up, or 
just the 430/450?
You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)


From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a single 
option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The SM will fill in 
its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or TFTP server. This is how 
most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On the PBX or switch, your station 
config files would reside in some directory and the handset would request 
001122334455.cfg or 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch 
auto-provision works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm 
looking for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a 
billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename the file 
with the new ESN.

So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then yeah, 
RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it would be easier 
to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config, but we've had that 
discussion before.

Off my rocker now? :)

On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide the filename 
via option66 string within the url itself.

Another option would be radius profiles with config file url delivered via a 
VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release. But we are working on it.

You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is in place, ICC 
will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled. �But you can very easily 
set ICC to disabled in the config file.

Aaron


 Original message 
From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"
Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via ICC. It 
switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts the HTTP/TFTP server 
with a request string like http:///$.cfg just like it works 
with IP phones and things like that.

ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1. Once the SM 
is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and the reset zero and 
disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.

The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via ICC, I wouldn't 
have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well, maybe I could, but why.

I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a much faster 
and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give the guys a basic 
template that they keep on their field PCs to load into new radios to set up 
things like default QoS, protocol filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles 
only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client? �so if we are 
using this, we will want to remember to have part of the dump config be to 
disable ICC or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC on a different AP, as 
has been the case in the past, it will become defaulted, or at least defaulted 
to the configured default configuration? This could be problematic, stranding a 
subscriber if a competitor is also running option 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is 
there a way to mitigate that?

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a RADIUS VSA option 
too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both are good with me.


On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
Hi George -

I know this was a long time ago (and has been an even longer time coming), but 
attached is what I sent after AF2014.

What we have now is the file format, it will be JSON based and there will be a 
published spec.� It will also work with DHCP Option 66.� For Zero Touch 
Config type of operation, we are leveraging the ICC feature in that once a 
radio is on 13.3, if a radio registers via ICC, it will turn on DHCP and 
request Option 66.� That option can be populated with a URL to the config 
file (HTTP or TFTP) that will be retrieved and applied and if a reboot is 
required, the reb

[AFMUG] wispa.org down?

[Patrick Wheeland via Af]

I was trying to look up the American Tower WISPA contact but can't pull up
wispa.org.  My DNS servers won't resolve the name.  If I use google's DNS,
I get the IP but if I put that in my browser I get a TurnKey LAMP page.  Is
anyone else having trouble pulling up wispa.org?

-Patrick

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

wheit really tanked there.   below $91

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.



  interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make a 
TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis


On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

  I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but 
sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I actually had an older model of this sitting on the shelf.   I gave it 
a try on an old 32-bit laptop (the drivers wouldn't work for my old 
model on 64-bit).  Not bad, but with the big batteries I have it could 
take quite some time to test each one.


I was able to run a test on an old 18AH UPS battery 10A without 
problem.  The battery was low and I only ran it down to 11.5V, so it 
only took me about half an hour to test.





On 9/19/2014 7:03 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I have never used these but have noticed them on the website when 
buying other stuff:

http://www.powerwerx.com/batteries-chargers/cba-iv-4-pro-computerized-battery-analyzer-commercial-use.html
*From:* TJ Trout via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 2:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

Carbon pile battery load tester is what you need.

On Sep 18, 2014 3:07 PM, "Randy Cosby via Af" > wrote:


Ah, figured this out.  Batteries have been getting down to 20c
around noon, temperature compensation of .12V per degree below
25c, 56.6V is where we top out.  Just right.



On 9/18/2014 3:35 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

Before anyone mentions it, I know some of these batteries are
being charged too high. I have my charger (Tristar MPPT-60) set
for gel battery voltages, and the combined voltage is supposed to
top out at 56v. It looks like we're getting a little higher than
that, I need to figure out why.




On 9/18/2014 3:14 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

Getting back on topic (and trying to avoid double-spaces)...

I have two strings of four GEL batteries, all of them the same
age. They are all being charged by the same solar
panels/controller. Positive lead is connected to battery 1,
negative to battery 4. Load is connected the same way. I am now
monitoring each battery separately with a pair of sitemonitor
4-input modules.

One battery I know is bad - 1.1 (bank 1 battery 1). It drops
under 12v at night.

The graphs are puzzling to me.  The other batteries I'm not sure
on. Each seems to have a different/profile slope when charging,
but similar (but not identical) slope when discharging. Take a look:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4059343/graff%20voltage%20graps.png

Anyone care to venture a guess as to why we're seeing these
differences?


On 9/18/2014 1:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Telemetry.  Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at
night.  I have tried to use impedance meters several times at
different companies and cannot get results that predict failures.
If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect
the solar panels and watch the telemetry.
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] battery tester
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel
batteries at solar sites?  I have batteries from 100AH to
225AH.  Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with
cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.



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Re: [AFMUG] i've never found an answer to this....cellular

[Jason McKemie via Af]

The new one is supposed to be considerably better.

On Friday, September 19, 2014, Micah Miller via Af  wrote:

> I have the 2013 version of the Moto X.  It does have have crapware,
> but minimal.  It's pretty much just verizons' voicemail, navigator,
> music?, and nfl network.  Those are all easily disabled so you never
> see them  again.
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jason McKemie via Af  > wrote:
> > Yeah, the next Nexus phone is rumored to be based on the Moto X.
> >
> > On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Josh Reynolds via Af  > wrote:
> >
> >> That's because the Nexus 5 is a good device with a "pure" android build.
> >> The Moto X is the same way.
> >>
> >> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> >> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 
> >>
> >> On 09/17/2014 10:36 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've got a One Plus One, but still prefer my Nexus 5. The software
> makes
> >>> all the difference.
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Bought a Oneplus One 64GB and couldn't be happier. Fantastic 5.5"
> screen,
>  unlocked Android 4.4 (Cyanogenmod 11), no carrier crapware.
> 
>  faster CPU than a galaxy note 3, and 3GB of RAM.
> 
>  $350 if you can get an invite.
> 
>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:41 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af <
> af@afmug.com 
>  >
>  wrote:
> 
>   Agree.  I waited over a year after 4GLTE launched here to get a 4g
> phone
> > and when I did, it came off Ebay.  Still have that phone...used
> PDAnet
> > to
> > tether the old phone ; went a different route on this phone cause I
> knew
> > i'd be exceeding USB speeds pretty easily. :)
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Ken Hohhof via Af
> >To: af@afmug.com  
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i've never found an answer to
> thiscellular
> >
> >
> >What I think the cellcos (especially Sprint) do badly is not
> explain
> > to
> > the
> >people with 3G devices that they need to upgrade them to 4G for
> the
> > higher
> >speed, even if that loses you a grandfathered plan.  I believe the
> >transition to 4G/LTE has actually made 3G perform worse.  I'm not
> > sure
> > why,
> >maybe they take spectrum away from 3G at the towers and give it to
> > 4G.
> > But
> >people don't understand this, all they see is their speeds are in
> the
> >toilet, so the last thing they are going to do is buy a new device
> > and
> > sign
> >a new contract with the company that's responsible for their
> crappy
> > service.
> >
> >At a minimum, they should be informing their customers of this.
> Like
> >
>  we
> 
> >sometimes have to tell people with a 10 year old computer and a 10
> > year
> > old
> >router that they need to upgrade.  But really, they should have
> some
> > kind of
> >program to market the 4G upgrade to existing 3G customers with
> come
> >
>  kind
> 
> > of
> >discount that encourages people to upgrade and stay customers.
> >
> >Instead, I think they lose customers to another cellco (or to a
> > WISP!),
> >because the customer thinks the cellco just has crappy service.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Chris Wright via Af
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:20 PM
> >To: af@afmug.com  
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i've never found an answer to
> thiscellular
> >
> >You'd wind up pissing off a lot of legacy users and creating more
> bad
> > press
> >than it's worth.
> >
> >Chris Wright
> >Velociter Wireless
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris  =
> >
>  velociter@afmug.com  ] On Behalf Of
> 
> >CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:52 PM
> >To: af@afmug.com  ; memb...@wispa.org
>  
> >Subject: [AFMUG] i've never found an answer to thiscellular
> >
> >
> >Ok, so, when you have an "unlimited card" and you're lucky to
> never
> >
>  have
> 
> >purchased another device, and it's still unlimited, why can't /
> why
> > DOESN'T
> >the cellular company just end your unlimited option and force you
> > onto
> >something else?
> >
> >Is it a billing issue?  Something their systems can't handle?
>  I've
> > always
> >wondered why that is.
> >
> >Surely it's not something "legal", unless it's the fact you
> signed a
> >contract stating this is the plan i want, and they can't change
> the
> >
>  plan
> 
> > off
> >what you signed up for

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

been watching it in real time, has swung from about 98 to 92 but hasn't dropped 
below $90.
wall streeters got filthy RICH on this one.  initial offering to them at 
$68geez

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.



  interesting...i'm listening. lol.

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson via Af 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make a 
TON of money if their timing is right.

Travis


On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

  I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but 
sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

I'm not saying there won't be new features on PMP100, just that something 
major like a different frame length would seem unlikely.


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Yeah, I'm just holding out hope, but honestly I'm not overly optimistic that 
we will get ANY new features on for the PMP100 radios.  Can you say EOL?


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:36:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Do you really expect it on 100 and 430?  I would be very surprised.  But I
guess unexpected good stuff happens.  Not to me, though.  I have been
accused of being a pessimist, but if that's true, shouldn't I be pleasantly
surprised all the time?


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full
are 430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still good
news, but of limited use to us right now.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and up,
or just the 430/450?


You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The
SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or
TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On
the PBX or switch, your station config files would reside in some
directory and the handset would request 001122334455.cfg or
00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch auto-provision
works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm looking
for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a
billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename
the file with the new ESN.

So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then
yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it
would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config,
but we've had that discussion before.

Off my rocker now? :)

On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide
the filename via option66 string within the url itself.

Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release.
But we are working on it.

You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is
in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled.
�But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.

Aaron

 Original message 

From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"

Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via
ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts
the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP phones
and things like that.

ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1.
Once the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and
the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.

The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well,
maybe I could, but why.

I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a
much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give
the guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to
load into new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol
filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like
QoS and VLAN.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client?
�so if we are using this,

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny

[Rory Conaway via Af]

My wife didn’t think it was anywhere near as funny as I did.  Who’da thought.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That 
One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny

 

sweet

 

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af  wrote:

 

nice :)

 

- Original Message - 

From: Rory Conaway via Af   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:36 AM

Subject: [AFMUG] Friday Funny

 

This guy brings his best mate home, unannounced, for dinner at 6:30, 
after work.

His wife screams her head off while his friend sits open mouthed and 
listens to the tirade...
"My bloody hair & makeup are not done, the house is a f** mess, the 
dishes aren't done.
Can't you see I'm still in my f** pyjamas and I can't be bothered 
with cooking tonight!
Why the f*** did you bring him home unannounced you stupid idiot?"

"Because he's thinking of getting married."

 

Rory





 

-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] New toy

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

I love working with these guys. They have all the right tools and dont take
shortcuts on quality of work.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 19, 2014 7:00 AM, "David via Af"  wrote:

> That is on my Dream list to have.. Could of used at the first of the year.
> We had 3 new free standing sites that went in around feb and march... grrr
>
> On 09/18/2014 09:34 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>
>>
>> We picked this up in Dallas at Hilti shop for 1k. Brand new!!!  Drove 10
>> ft grounding rod in less than a minute. My trusty fence pole driver will
>> always be in my work truck just in case.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Christopher Tyler via Af]

Yeah, I'm just holding out hope, but honestly I'm not overly optimistic that we 
will get ANY new features on for the PMP100 radios.  Can you say EOL?

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:36:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Do you really expect it on 100 and 430?  I would be very surprised.  But I 
guess unexpected good stuff happens.  Not to me, though.  I have been 
accused of being a pessimist, but if that's true, shouldn't I be pleasantly 
surprised all the time?


-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full 
are 430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still good 
news, but of limited use to us right now.

-- 
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and up,
or just the 430/450?

> You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)
>
> *From:*Af
> [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
> single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The
> SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or
> TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On
> the PBX or switch, your station config files would reside in some
> directory and the handset would request 001122334455.cfg or
> 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch auto-provision
> works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm looking
> for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a
> billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename
> the file with the new ESN.
>
> So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then
> yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it
> would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config,
> but we've had that discussion before.
>
> Off my rocker now? :)
>
> On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>
> You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.
>
> That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide
> the filename via option66 string within the url itself.
>
> Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
> delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release.
> But we are working on it.
>
> You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is
> in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled.
> �But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.
>
> Aaron
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"
>
> Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via
> ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts
> the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
> http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP phones
> and things like that.
>
> ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1.
> Once the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and
> the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.
>
> The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
> ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well,
> maybe I could, but why.
>
> I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a
> much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give
> the guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to
> load into new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol
> filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like
> QoS and VLAN.
>
> Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.
>
> On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client?
> �so if we are using this, we will want to remember to have
> part of the dump config be to disable ICC or if a deployed
> unit happenned to hit ICC 

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Adam Moffett via Af]

WellI heard an offhand comment at the ePMP tour that development for 
the 100 was going to stop.  I'm just hoping it hasn't already :)


Do you really expect it on 100 and 430?  I would be very surprised.  
But I guess unexpected good stuff happens.  Not to me, though.  I have 
been accused of being a pessimist, but if that's true, shouldn't I be 
pleasantly surprised all the time?



-Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler via Af
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand 
full are 430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still 
good news, but of limited use to us right now.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Do you really expect it on 100 and 430?  I would be very surprised.  But I 
guess unexpected good stuff happens.  Not to me, though.  I have been 
accused of being a pessimist, but if that's true, shouldn't I be pleasantly 
surprised all the time?



-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Tyler via Af

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full 
are 430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still good 
news, but of limited use to us right now.


--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and up,
or just the 430/450?


You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The
SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or
TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On
the PBX or switch, your station config files would reside in some
directory and the handset would request 001122334455.cfg or
00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch auto-provision
works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm looking
for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a
billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename
the file with the new ESN.

So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then
yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it
would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config,
but we've had that discussion before.

Off my rocker now? :)

On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:

You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.

That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide
the filename via option66 string within the url itself.

Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release.
But we are working on it.

You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is
in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled.
�But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.

Aaron

 Original message 

From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"

Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via
ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts
the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP phones
and things like that.

ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1.
Once the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and
the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.

The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well,
maybe I could, but why.

I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a
much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give
the guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to
load into new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol
filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like
QoS and VLAN.

Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.

On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client?
�so if we are using this, we will want to remember to have
part of the dump config be to disable ICC or if a deployed
unit happenned to hit ICC on a different AP, as has been the
case in the past, it will become defaulted, or at least
defaulted to the configured default configuration? This could
be problematic, stranding a subscriber if a competitor is also
running option 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is there a way to
mitigate that?

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a
RADIUS VSA option

Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[D. Ryan Spott via Af]

Or just use a water heater element:


http://store.mwands.com/images/products/secondary/12v_300w_element_02.jpg
http://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Water_Heater_Element_Ohms_AOSs.jpg


ryan


On 9/19/14 7:39 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

signature
Cheap (free) load resistors can be made from full rolls of 14 gauge wire.
2.5 ohms per 1000 feet.  Get two 1000� rolls and you have a 5 ohm 
resistor.  9.8 amps from a 48 volt battery.  I put them in a bucket of 
water to dissipate the heat and keep them from getting heat damage to 
the insulation.

Then you can return the wire after you are done...
*From:* David via Af 
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 7:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] battery tester
We are able to time of discharge by reviewing graphs from our CTMs 
once AC power has stopped.
Depending on what the overall current draw is which we find by the 
load in watts on each port of the CTM.
Its not 100% but it gives me a good idea about what we should get out 
of a AGM 100ah battery.


On 09/18/2014 02:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Telemetry.� Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at 
night.� I have tried to use impedance meters several times at 
different companies and cannot get results that predict failures.

�
If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect the 
solar panels and watch the telemetry.�

�
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af 
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] battery tester
�
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel 
batteries at solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.� 
Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with cold cranking 
amps, pretty irrelevant for us.




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Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

interesting...i'm listening. lol.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make a TON 
of money if their timing is right.

  Travis


  On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but 
sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


  Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
  Thoughts?
  Comments?
  Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

yup. watching live on CNBC.  It's like gambling ;)
I'm just watching...no way i'm buying at 90.  What do you think will happen 
once it starts trading?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.


  Looks like it's up to $92/share already, before it's even trading. That's a 
50% return on the initial $68 IPO price.

  Travis


  On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but 
sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bpOn 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:


  Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
  Thoughts?
  Comments?
  Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] 477 for dummys

[Cameron Crum via Af]

I'm pretty sure Simon said that PowerCode would create the files for you
didn't he? Wouldn't that be your easier route?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

> They want census blocks where you have service deployed, and then census
> tracts where actual subscribers are.  The latter can still come out of your
> billing system.
>
> I'm sure how 2-year old friendly you can get.
>
> I downloaded census block shape files (.shp) from the census web site.
> Imported those into Manifold GIS.
>
> I generated coverage maps in Radiomobile.  Imported the images into
> Manifold GIS.  Then altered the projection so the image would match actual
> geography (you basically take some numbers from the KML file and do a
> little non-difficult math).
>
> Then I used the auto tracing tool in Manifold to create polygons that
> cover the image generated by radio mobile...you have to use a solid color
> overlay in Radiomobile for this, not a heatmap.
>
> Then I did a transform to create a new drawing showing the census blocks
> that intersect the radio coverage polygons.  Lather, rinse, and repeat for
> each type of coverage that might matter.
>
> At this point I've got tables of census blocks for each type of radio
> coverage.  I'm only supposed to report each block once (unless it's served
> under a different company name, or with a different technology, since these
> are all fixed wireless I only report them once).  To get one table where
> only the highest available speed is reported, I imported the various tables
> into MySQL using the census block as the primary key and imported them in
> order of speed from lowest to highest.
>
> Then I exported the resulting table into a csv that I can upload to the
> FCC.
>
> It takes longer to learn all these steps than it took me to explain it.
> It's also pretty time consuming and tedious.  It's totally do-able if you
> have a few hundred bucks to spend on software and a number of days to spend
> on figuring it all out.  Now that's all figured out, I could repeat the
> process with your coverage overlays for a nominal fee :)
>
>
>  The previous 477 filing was confusing enough to me. I submittted data that
>> was generated for me from our billing system without actually knowing what
>> exactly it was or how to verify it was accurate.
>> Now with the new system, Im completely lost. Im afraid of the feds and
>> their black helicopters that will sweep in and take my children to gitmo
>> (not all that concerned about the old lady, I can find somebody else to
>> run
>> the vaccum)
>>
>> Can somebody please explain to me like im a two year old what all the
>> steps
>> are and the details of what the information is they want. And maybe even a
>> simpletons description of how to obtain it accurately?
>>
>> As I understand it the gist is to provide the FCC with subscribership
>> information so they can value the census blocks regarding current
>> penetration and subscribership. I assume the compare the combined
>> subscriber-ship with census data to calculate what percentage of citizens
>> are being served in each block? But as I understand it, if no voice
>> service
>> is offered, or subscribed to, the block is considered unserved?
>>
>> If we dont have our filing in by the Oct 1 deadline, they will firebomb a
>> village in africa?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Travis Johnson via Af]

Looks like it's up to $92/share already, before it's even trading. 
That's a 50% return on the initial $68 IPO price.


Travis

On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing 
but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi sniffer app for Android?

[Bill Prince via Af]

In the process of looking for something completely different, I stumbled 
across this WiFi tool.  Still only does 20 MHz channels, but it has some 
nice features that make it pretty useful.


It's WiFi Explorer from Nuts about Nets 
(http://nutsaboutnets.com/wifiexplorer/).


They have a few other nifty tools as well.

bp

On 7/10/2014 8:11 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I found (at least) two "WiFi Analyzer"(s).  So far, I've tried each of 
the ones below. Comments below each one.


WiFi Analyzer (#1) 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.webprovider.wifianalyzer&hl=en


Pretty cheesy.  Not much information. Hard to use.

WiFi Analyzer (#2) 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en


This one's not too bad.  Relatively easy to use.


WiFi Analytics 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pinapps.amped&hl=en


I liked this one better than WiFi Analyzer (#2). Gives a bit more
information, and I think is easier to use. So far, this is the one
I'd choose.


WiFi Radar 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=girsas.wifiradar&hl=en


Nice concept; flawed execution.  Also gives misleading information
about the "direction" of the hotspot.

Signal Sniffer 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.simplymobile.btsignal&hl=en


Junk.

Still looking...

bp
On 7/9/2014 6:07 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Before I go scrounging through the 7 million apps in the Google pay, 
er... play store, has anyone been using a WiFi sniffer app that they 
like?


The ideal app would display the SSID, channel, MAC address. Bonus 
points if it can tell direction and handle 5 and 10 MHz channels.

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to see which way the wind is blowing.  I 
assume at some point the pmp100 will get a feature freezeI'm hoping 
it's not yet :)

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full are 
430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still good 
news, but of limited use to us right now.

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Travis Johnson via Af]

I disagree... I think today will be an amazing ride... people will make 
a TON of money if their timing is right.


Travis

On 9/19/2014 9:05 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing 
but sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bp
On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] today's a big day on the stock market.....

[Bill Prince via Af]

I would not touch that offering with a 10 foot pole.  I see nothing but 
sorrow.  Too much hype.  Too much unknown.


bp

On 9/19/2014 6:41 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:

Anyone trying to get in on Alibaba's IPO?
Thoughts?
Comments?
Complaints?

Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[Christopher Tyler via Af]

Inquiring minds want to know...

Of the thousands SM's that we have in the air right now, only a hand full are 
430/450's.
Don't get me wrong, if this isn't going to be on PMP100 this is still good 
news, but of limited use to us right now.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:59:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium


Can you tell us which platforms will get these features?  PMP100 and up, 
or just the 430/450?

> You'll have to wait for WISPAPALOOZA for more details. :)
>
> *From:*Af 
> [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a 
> single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The 
> SM will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or 
> TFTP server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On 
> the PBX or switch, your station config files would reside in some 
> directory and the handset would request 001122334455.cfg or 
> 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is exactly how zero-touch auto-provision 
> works, at least with the VoIP crap I've messed with. What I'm looking 
> for is how to tie X device to X customer in say a 
> billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then rename 
> the file with the new ESN.
>
> So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then 
> yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it 
> would be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config, 
> but we've had that discussion before.
>
> Off my rocker now? :)
>
> On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>
> You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.
>
> That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide
> the filename via option66 string within the url itself.
>
> Another option would be radius profiles with config file url
> delivered via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release.
> But we are working on it.
>
> You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is
> in place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled.
> �But you can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.
>
> Aaron
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"
>
> Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via
> ICC. It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts
> the HTTP/TFTP server with a request string like
> http:///$.cfg just like it works with IP phones
> and things like that.
>
> ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1.
> Once the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and
> the reset zero and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.
>
> The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via
> ICC, I wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well,
> maybe I could, but why.
>
> I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a
> much faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give
> the guys a basic template that they keep on their field PCs to
> load into new radios to set up things like default QoS, protocol
> filters, admin password, etc. RADIUS handles only basic stuff like
> QoS and VLAN.
>
> Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.
>
> On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client?
> �so if we are using this, we will want to remember to have
> part of the dump config be to disable ICC or if a deployed
> unit happenned to hit ICC on a different AP, as has been the
> case in the past, it will become defaulted, or at least
> defaulted to the configured default configuration? This could
> be problematic, stranding a subscriber if a competitor is also
> running option 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is there a way to
> mitigate that?
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
> Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>
> That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a
> RADIUS VSA option too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both are
> good with me.
>
>
>
> On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>
> Hi George -
>
> I know this was a long time ago (and has been an ev

Re: [AFMUG] 477 for dummys

[Adam Moffett via Af]

They want census blocks where you have service deployed, and then census 
tracts where actual subscribers are.  The latter can still come out of 
your billing system.


I'm sure how 2-year old friendly you can get.

I downloaded census block shape files (.shp) from the census web site.  
Imported those into Manifold GIS.


I generated coverage maps in Radiomobile.  Imported the images into 
Manifold GIS.  Then altered the projection so the image would match 
actual geography (you basically take some numbers from the KML file and 
do a little non-difficult math).


Then I used the auto tracing tool in Manifold to create polygons that 
cover the image generated by radio mobile...you have to use a solid 
color overlay in Radiomobile for this, not a heatmap.


Then I did a transform to create a new drawing showing the census blocks 
that intersect the radio coverage polygons.  Lather, rinse, and repeat 
for each type of coverage that might matter.


At this point I've got tables of census blocks for each type of radio 
coverage.  I'm only supposed to report each block once (unless it's 
served under a different company name, or with a different technology, 
since these are all fixed wireless I only report them once).  To get one 
table where only the highest available speed is reported, I imported the 
various tables into MySQL using the census block as the primary key and 
imported them in order of speed from lowest to highest.


Then I exported the resulting table into a csv that I can upload to the FCC.

It takes longer to learn all these steps than it took me to explain it.  
It's also pretty time consuming and tedious.  It's totally do-able if 
you have a few hundred bucks to spend on software and a number of days 
to spend on figuring it all out.  Now that's all figured out, I could 
repeat the process with your coverage overlays for a nominal fee :)



The previous 477 filing was confusing enough to me. I submittted data that
was generated for me from our billing system without actually knowing what
exactly it was or how to verify it was accurate.
Now with the new system, Im completely lost. Im afraid of the feds and
their black helicopters that will sweep in and take my children to gitmo
(not all that concerned about the old lady, I can find somebody else to run
the vaccum)

Can somebody please explain to me like im a two year old what all the steps
are and the details of what the information is they want. And maybe even a
simpletons description of how to obtain it accurately?

As I understand it the gist is to provide the FCC with subscribership
information so they can value the census blocks regarding current
penetration and subscribership. I assume the compare the combined
subscriber-ship with census data to calculate what percentage of citizens
are being served in each block? But as I understand it, if no voice service
is offered, or subscribed to, the block is considered unserved?

If we dont have our filing in by the Oct 1 deadline, they will firebomb a
village in africa?

Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Chuck McCown via Af]

signatureCheap (free) load resistors can be made from full rolls of 14 gauge 
wire.  
2.5 ohms per 1000 feet.  Get two 1000’ rolls and you have a 5 ohm resistor.  
9.8 amps from a 48 volt battery.  I put them in a bucket of water to dissipate 
the heat and keep them from getting heat damage to the insulation.

Then you can return the wire after you are done...

From: David via Af 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

We are able to time of discharge by reviewing graphs from our CTMs once AC 
power has stopped.
Depending on what the overall current draw is which we find by the load in 
watts on each port of the CTM. 
Its not 100% but it gives me a good idea about what we should get out of a AGM 
100ah battery.


On 09/18/2014 02:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

  Telemetry.� Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at night.� I 
have tried to use impedance meters several times at different companies and 
cannot get results that predict failures. 
  �
  If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect the solar 
panels and watch the telemetry.� 
  �
  From: Randy Cosby via Af 
  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] battery tester
  �
  Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries at 
solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.� Most of the automotive 
models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.




  -- 


   Randy Cosby
InfoWest, Inc
435-674-0165 x 2010
infowest.com
   


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Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium

[That One Guy via Af]

thats not like the creepy guy in the trenchcoat offering to show something
interesting to people is it?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> giggity!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Simon Westlake via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 8:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>
> I cannot give you any specifics right now, but if you come by the
> Powercode booth at WISPAPALOOZA, I can guarantee we will have some very
> interesting things to show you.
>
> On 9/18/2014 10:03 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> Simon? Simon? Will we get to play with this simon?
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
>  wrote:
>
>>  OK, so clarify the option 66 URL part. What makes sense to me is a
>> single option 66 statement on the DHCP server like I said below. The SM
>> will fill in its ESN/MAC as the file name to pull from the HTTP or TFTP
>> server. This is how most VoIP handset/ATA provisioning works. On the PBX or
>> switch, your station config files would reside in some directory and the
>> handset would request 001122334455.cfg or 00-11-22-33-44-55.cfg. This is
>> exactly how zero-touch auto-provision works, at least with the VoIP crap
>> I've messed with. What I'm looking for is how to tie X device to X customer
>> in say a billing/support/provisioning system. And if the SM dies, then
>> rename the file with the new ESN.
>>
>> So if this is not the way the option 66 mechanism will function, then
>> yeah, RADIUS VSA for the URL will be the only other way. I think it would
>> be easier to just do RADIUS attributes for all of the config, but we've had
>> that discussion before.
>>
>> Off my rocker now? :)
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 8:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>>
>> You are securely attached to your rocker and very comfortable.
>>
>> That's pretty much how it will go but the dhcp server will provide the
>> filename via option66 string within the url itself.
>>
>> Another option would be radius profiles with config file url delivered
>> via a VSA. �Not sure that will get into first release. But we are working
>> on it.
>>
>> You are correct on ICC operation, once a non default CC config is in
>> place, ICC will never be used on SM even if it is left enabled. �But you
>> can very easily set ICC to disabled in the config file.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"
>> Date:09/18/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dear Cambium
>>
>>  I'm guessing it's going to work like this: 13.3 SM registers via ICC.
>> It switches on DHCP and looks for Option 66. Then it contacts the HTTP/TFTP
>> server with a request string like http:///$.cfg just
>> like it works with IP phones and things like that.
>>
>> ICC doesn't do random stupid things anymore. That was with v11.1. Once
>> the SM is configured with color codes other than CC1=0 and the reset zero
>> and disabled, ICC is effectively disabled.
>>
>> The second part is, if your default SM registered to my AP via ICC, I
>> wouldn't have a config file for its ESN to send it. Well, maybe I could,
>> but why.
>>
>> I'm sure there's always a way for things to go wrong. But I need a much
>> faster and automated way to do provisioning. I'd like to give the guys a
>> basic template that they keep on their field PCs to load into new radios to
>> set up things like default QoS, protocol filters, admin password, etc.
>> RADIUS handles only basic stuff like QoS and VLAN.
>>
>> Maybe I'm completely off my rocker here.
>>
>> On 9/18/2014 6:21 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>
>> so if a device connects to icc, it will turn on dhcp client? �so if we
>> are using this, we will want to remember to have part of the dump config be
>> to disable ICC or if a deployed unit happenned to hit ICC on a different
>> AP, as has been the case in the past, it will become defaulted, or at least
>> defaulted to the configured default configuration? This could be
>> problematic, stranding a subscriber if a competitor is also running option
>> 66 via ICC couldnt it? or is there a way to mitigate that?
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via
>> Af  wrote:
>>
>>> That is freakin awesome! I think Matt said something about a RADIUS VSA
>>> option too. RADIUS and DHCP option 66. Both are good with me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>>>
 Hi George -

 I know this was a long time ago (and has been an even longer time
 coming), but attached is what I sent after AF2014.

 What we have now is the file format, it will be JSON based and there
 will be a published spec.� It will also work with DHCP Option 66.� For
 Zero Touch Config type of operation, we are leveraging the ICC feature in
 that once a radio is on 13.3, if a radio registers via ICC, it will turn on
 DHCP and request Op