Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring or power with a Packetflux Site Monitor
Hmm. Html5 seems to perhaps have the needed pieces. Maybe it's time to revisit this feature in the web ui. On Sep 25, 2014 1:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Yeah, I haven't figured out how to make that happen yet. I really wanted to have a right click menu but that doesn't seem to be a real possibility in most browsers. Steve mentioned the sitemonitor manager option which does allow the right click copy, but that requires installing software. On Sep 24, 2014 6:17 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks. How can I be lazy and copy that pop up to copy the OID? Sam Lambie Wireless Internet Technician www.taosnet.com 575.758.7598 On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Forrest Christian \(List Account\) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's the right way to do it. If you go into the web interface and into the analog tab and put your mouse pointer over the value for the appropriate dc input, the oid will be shown in the lower right corner of your screen. On Sep 24, 2014 2:43 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I want to monitor grid power by placing a wall wort into PWR 2 on the site monitor. Then plug the wall wort (sp?) into the Surge side of the UPS. What OID would I use to see if there is power or NOT for SNMP queries? Or is there a better way to go about this? thanks Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question
big shocker, with our radios off, not a single bit of change hes recommending bigger antennas or a licensed link (better to make money than go fix a poor installation, right?) I did find out something cool I wish I had known yesterday, APC smart UPS with a management card has a sleep feature you can set a time in tenths of an hour to put the output power to sleep. I could have just shut the radios off remotely for 15 minutes while running the spectrum on their radio. Im still pissed for getting thrown under the bus. And I know every time the landlord has a wireless issue theyre now going to immediately be on the phone with us thinking we are interfering with them, hell probably even if they go with a licensed link. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:36 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So what happened? On 9/24/2014 1:45 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: nope, just swapped radios, the leads are handmade crimp on N connectors that are like 4-5 years old, the lightning welded our switch to out battery backup. I dont have a problem with ten minute shutdown, but it will end up being an hour or more. I have 477 to do tomorrow so it will be the boss going. I told him to take the power supply completely out of the box so the guy doesnt claim the power supply capacitors must still have power going to the radio I also told him to not let the guy powercycle the 650 unless our radio is powered on because it will probably come back up and perform, so if our radio is powered down, of course its our radio causing the problems The whole point of this thread was to say the interface on the 650 is really cool and to find out about ATPC on the 650, but when i got the email telling me it was relayed to the landlord that its a combination of our radio and local interference I got really pissed. Going out on a limb and saying maybe there is not directly a physical issue looking at the fluctuations on both sides output power (-15 to 21) and receive power (-47 to -78) with an ATPC threshold set to -35 (is this the default value?) The numbers make sense, output power is ranging 36db and receive powers are ranging 31db. EXCEPT that when i was on them the remote transmit was 21 and the local rx was -78, its not correlated to the range of numbers. so our radio was on 5755 i think at the time before i moved it, 10mhz. so for the sake of argument their 650 was also sitting on 5755 for whatever reason, and we will say it was recieving at the linkplanner target of -61 and had a -35 threshold on ATPC, if my ubnt had some sort of massive fart and hit the 650 antenna with more energy than -35, could the 650 assume that additional energy is coming from the remote and and issue an ATPC power down? would that account for all the tx power and rx power fluctuations? What I dont understand is since the peak rx was -47, why would the tx have even dropped if atpc was functioning especially don as low as a negative 15 Are there any bugs with ATPC with the 650? I dont recall there being any real configurable atpc parameter in the 3/500 series. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not talking about your issue, per say. Just commenting on the receiver front-end overload on rockets (and other UBNT AirMax radios). I'm sure this probably happens on MikroTik radios too. EPMP? Don't have any to test. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:52 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Im pretty sure there is no atheros chipset in a ptp650 to have this issue happen and since the rocket is a backhaul, if it were deaf im pretty sure it would be hard to manage, and the fsk customers beyond it would be calling in with concerns about the lack of internet. I highly doubt that a brand new 650 would go deaf the minute it is powered on, and had it gone deaf the minute it was powered on, I doubt the spectrum would show well defined hills and valleys so clearly you can tell the channel size of the interfering systems, it would more likely either be fairly flatline or constantly in flux On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is exactly what I am talking about. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:31 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Fundamentally, no. But what you can end up with is a receiver front-end overload. This happens far too often on Rocket radios. Isn't the 650 a whole-band radio, like 4.9-5.9? I hope it would have some spectacular filtering for the fify brazillion $ they want for it. I would shut your stuff down for 10 minutes and see what happens. On 9/24/2014 12:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: INTERFERENCE DOES NOT ALTER RECEIVED POWER!!! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just wait until you have
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question
Bill them for the trip. It wasn't your problem or your fault and your time isn't free. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 9/25/2014 1:47 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: big shocker, with our radios off, not a single bit of change hes recommending bigger antennas or a licensed link (better to make money than go fix a poor installation, right?) I did find out something cool I wish I had known yesterday, APC smart UPS with a management card has a sleep feature you can set a time in tenths of an hour to put the output power to sleep. I could have just shut the radios off remotely for 15 minutes while running the spectrum on their radio. Im still pissed for getting thrown under the bus. And I know every time the landlord has a wireless issue theyre now going to immediately be on the phone with us thinking we are interfering with them, hell probably even if they go with a licensed link. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:36 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So what happened? On 9/24/2014 1:45 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: nope, just swapped radios, the leads are handmade crimp on N connectors that are like 4-5 years old, the lightning welded our switch to out battery backup. I dont have a problem with ten minute shutdown, but it will end up being an hour or more. I have 477 to do tomorrow so it will be the boss going. I told him to take the power supply completely out of the box so the guy doesnt claim the power supply capacitors must still have power going to the radio I also told him to not let the guy powercycle the 650 unless our radio is powered on because it will probably come back up and perform, so if our radio is powered down, of course its our radio causing the problems The whole point of this thread was to say the interface on the 650 is really cool and to find out about ATPC on the 650, but when i got the email telling me it was relayed to the landlord that its a combination of our radio and local interference I got really pissed. Going out on a limb and saying maybe there is not directly a physical issue looking at the fluctuations on both sides output power (-15 to 21) and receive power (-47 to -78) with an ATPC threshold set to -35 (is this the default value?) The numbers make sense, output power is ranging 36db and receive powers are ranging 31db. EXCEPT that when i was on them the remote transmit was 21 and the local rx was -78, its not correlated to the range of numbers. so our radio was on 5755 i think at the time before i moved it, 10mhz. so for the sake of argument their 650 was also sitting on 5755 for whatever reason, and we will say it was recieving at the linkplanner target of -61 and had a -35 threshold on ATPC, if my ubnt had some sort of massive fart and hit the 650 antenna with more energy than -35, could the 650 assume that additional energy is coming from the remote and and issue an ATPC power down? would that account for all the tx power and rx power fluctuations? What I dont understand is since the peak rx was -47, why would the tx have even dropped if atpc was functioning especially don as low as a negative 15 Are there any bugs with ATPC with the 650? I dont recall there being any real configurable atpc parameter in the 3/500 series. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not talking about your issue, per say. Just commenting on the receiver front-end overload on rockets (and other UBNT AirMax radios). I'm sure this probably happens on MikroTik radios too. EPMP? Don't have any to test. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:52 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Im pretty sure there is no atheros chipset in a ptp650 to have this issue happen and since the rocket is a backhaul, if it were deaf im pretty sure it would be hard to manage, and the fsk customers beyond it would be calling in with concerns about the lack of internet. I highly doubt that a brand new 650 would go deaf the minute it is powered on, and had it gone deaf the minute it was powered on, I doubt the spectrum would show well defined hills and valleys so clearly you can tell the channel size of the interfering systems, it would more likely either be fairly flatline or constantly in flux On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is exactly what I am talking about. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148a9cf7626-53a62885-89e0-4e1c-9c7f-b4d8519c55eb-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litew ire.net From: 0148a9cf7626-53a62885-89e0-4e1c-9c7f-b4d8519c55eb-00@amazonses.c om https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2633740531domain=lite wire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=24 2260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1; rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242 260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1r ID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
Re: [AFMUG] New PMP beta load 13.2 Build 30 available!
Folks, PMP Beta 13.2 Build 30 is also there for PMP430 and PTP230 devices. Please download it and let us know what you think. Best, Jonathan From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+jonathan.mandziara=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of canopy01 via Af Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:38 AM To: Cambium Dist_List (af@afmug.com) Subject: [AFMUG] New PMP beta load 13.2 Build 30 available! Folks, PMP Beta load 13.2 Build 30 is now available for download and you can find it here: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450 * Improvements for MIMO-A * PMP450 APs SMs will now default to MIMO-A control message mode * If you have an interop sector (containing 430 SMs), you may need to set this back to legacy SISO mode * Configuration - Radio - PMP 430 Interop Mode, set to SISO * This is only necessary if you have issues with existing PMP430's reconnecting and should not be necessary in a majority of the cases. * Fix for missing None frequency option * Control Slots is now called Contention Slots * Addition of Color Code Priority column to the Session Status - Session tab * If Color Code Rescan option is enabled on the AP, and an SM is registered via a non-primary color code, there will be a countdown for each SM that will be rescanning due to this configuration. * If an SM is registered via Installation Color Code (ICC), this will also be noted on the Session Status - Device tab, Session column, next to In Session * Added number of VCs in use next to Subscriber Count on the AP's main page. This number includes Broadcast and Multicast (if enabled) VCs. * Added support to NAT to handle fragments (to fix the FemtoCell issue) * Alignment tone fix * Various bug fixes Corey
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg
To install the Force 100 onto larger pipes, attached the Force 100 to a SMB2A or similar Universal Mounting Adapter. The SMB2A can accommodate pipes 3.5” in diameter. Laird also offers a similar Universal Mounting Adapter (UM) that can also be used in conjunction with the Force 100 on larger Mast installs. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/epmp/how-to-videos From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+jonathan.mandziara=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg The dish can only accommodate a 2 pipe (I had hung 2-7/8) and if you're not careful, you can knock the reflector off of the feedhorn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg I went to Rolling Meadows and there's an issue in the assembly from the factory. It's easily correctable in the field by loosening the four screws around the feedhorn hole on the mount. Straight up the two pieces, then tighten it back down. They're working on a factory process to resolve this. The feedhorn should just slide right in without much effort. If it takes effort, look to see if everythign is lining up. If you muscle the feedhorn too much, you may damage it, producing less than expected RF performance. Cambium was *very* warm regarding my criticism. Took notes. Looked at the product to see why it wasn't working. Assembled the four remaining units (and saw more issues). I talked to a few different people about my concerns. They thanked me for bringing the issue to their attention. No one said so, but I'd imagine they would have appreciated it if I wasn't so rampant in my complaints. ;-) They also took my commentary about what I think about other aspects of the line, not just that issue. I'm not going to drive to San Francisco or Latvia to air my complaints to them, so they'll have to fly me out. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:28:17 AM Subject: Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg Does anyone know why the Force 100 has not been recalled for being an absolutely dreadful product? I think the designers of the Force 100 looked at the NanoBridge and said how can we make this worse. *slow clap* Give them a bonus for they succeeded. I bought 12 units because of an emergency and now I'm not sure how far I'll be able to go as I surely won't be able to get the required 10 units even assembled. 1. Why so much assembly? 2. I'm reminded of 2004 by the amount of coax that needs to be sealed. Ubiquiti got it right with IP67 connectors and those little rubber boots on the Rockets. 3. If we're sealing the coax on the radio, why the rubber boot and zip ties? Surely they aren't more at risk than the N connectors on the antenna. 4. That feedhorn assembly is the worst! Does everything look stable? Yup. Okay, screw in the set screws. Check. Everything look good? Feedhorn falls out. WTF. Oh, apparently it wasn't all the way in. Try again. No. Try again. No. Try again? Can't because by now the set screws are striped and I can't get them out. I can't blame them for they should only be fastened once. Try another unit. Nope, this feedhorn just won't go all the way in. Now I'm not certain that the first two that actually went together are together correctly. Yes, I separated the dish from the mount in an attempt to 5. I like the flexibility of the mount, but that is just a massive hunk of steel and too complex for a CPE. 6. Is the idea of a simple clip like the Rocket too easy? Did someone need a science project? 7. For the record, I have correctly assembled (on the first try) a few Jirous dishes and they're a bear. Can I drive them all up to Rolling Ghettos today and have you guys assemble them for me? I need them actually operational by the AM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question
I would bill the shit out of everybody, but I dont get to make those decisions, Im just a peon in the turd factory On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill them for the trip. It wasn't your problem or your fault and your time isn't free. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 9/25/2014 1:47 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: big shocker, with our radios off, not a single bit of change hes recommending bigger antennas or a licensed link (better to make money than go fix a poor installation, right?) I did find out something cool I wish I had known yesterday, APC smart UPS with a management card has a sleep feature you can set a time in tenths of an hour to put the output power to sleep. I could have just shut the radios off remotely for 15 minutes while running the spectrum on their radio. Im still pissed for getting thrown under the bus. And I know every time the landlord has a wireless issue theyre now going to immediately be on the phone with us thinking we are interfering with them, hell probably even if they go with a licensed link. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:36 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So what happened? On 9/24/2014 1:45 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: nope, just swapped radios, the leads are handmade crimp on N connectors that are like 4-5 years old, the lightning welded our switch to out battery backup. I dont have a problem with ten minute shutdown, but it will end up being an hour or more. I have 477 to do tomorrow so it will be the boss going. I told him to take the power supply completely out of the box so the guy doesnt claim the power supply capacitors must still have power going to the radio I also told him to not let the guy powercycle the 650 unless our radio is powered on because it will probably come back up and perform, so if our radio is powered down, of course its our radio causing the problems The whole point of this thread was to say the interface on the 650 is really cool and to find out about ATPC on the 650, but when i got the email telling me it was relayed to the landlord that its a combination of our radio and local interference I got really pissed. Going out on a limb and saying maybe there is not directly a physical issue looking at the fluctuations on both sides output power (-15 to 21) and receive power (-47 to -78) with an ATPC threshold set to -35 (is this the default value?) The numbers make sense, output power is ranging 36db and receive powers are ranging 31db. EXCEPT that when i was on them the remote transmit was 21 and the local rx was -78, its not correlated to the range of numbers. so our radio was on 5755 i think at the time before i moved it, 10mhz. so for the sake of argument their 650 was also sitting on 5755 for whatever reason, and we will say it was recieving at the linkplanner target of -61 and had a -35 threshold on ATPC, if my ubnt had some sort of massive fart and hit the 650 antenna with more energy than -35, could the 650 assume that additional energy is coming from the remote and and issue an ATPC power down? would that account for all the tx power and rx power fluctuations? What I dont understand is since the peak rx was -47, why would the tx have even dropped if atpc was functioning especially don as low as a negative 15 Are there any bugs with ATPC with the 650? I dont recall there being any real configurable atpc parameter in the 3/500 series. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not talking about your issue, per say. Just commenting on the receiver front-end overload on rockets (and other UBNT AirMax radios). I'm sure this probably happens on MikroTik radios too. EPMP? Don't have any to test. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:52 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Im pretty sure there is no atheros chipset in a ptp650 to have this issue happen and since the rocket is a backhaul, if it were deaf im pretty sure it would be hard to manage, and the fsk customers beyond it would be calling in with concerns about the lack of internet. I highly doubt that a brand new 650 would go deaf the minute it is powered on, and had it gone deaf the minute it was powered on, I doubt the spectrum would show well defined hills and valleys so clearly you can tell the channel size of the interfering systems, it would more likely either be fairly flatline or constantly in flux On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is exactly what I am talking about. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:31 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Fundamentally, no. But what you can end up with is a receiver front-end overload. This happens far too often on Rocket radios. Isn't the
Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question
“this job stinks” can be his motto even if he likes what he’s doing. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question Funny that “peon” in spanish means farter! Lol!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 10:56 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ptp650 interface - nice - and an ATPC question I would bill the shit out of everybody, but I dont get to make those decisions, Im just a peon in the turd factory On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Bill them for the trip. It wasn't your problem or your fault and your time isn't free. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.nethttp://www.mkap.net On 9/25/2014 1:47 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: big shocker, with our radios off, not a single bit of change hes recommending bigger antennas or a licensed link (better to make money than go fix a poor installation, right?) I did find out something cool I wish I had known yesterday, APC smart UPS with a management card has a sleep feature you can set a time in tenths of an hour to put the output power to sleep. I could have just shut the radios off remotely for 15 minutes while running the spectrum on their radio. Im still pissed for getting thrown under the bus. And I know every time the landlord has a wireless issue theyre now going to immediately be on the phone with us thinking we are interfering with them, hell probably even if they go with a licensed link. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:36 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So what happened? On 9/24/2014 1:45 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: nope, just swapped radios, the leads are handmade crimp on N connectors that are like 4-5 years old, the lightning welded our switch to out battery backup. I dont have a problem with ten minute shutdown, but it will end up being an hour or more. I have 477 to do tomorrow so it will be the boss going. I told him to take the power supply completely out of the box so the guy doesnt claim the power supply capacitors must still have power going to the radio I also told him to not let the guy powercycle the 650 unless our radio is powered on because it will probably come back up and perform, so if our radio is powered down, of course its our radio causing the problems The whole point of this thread was to say the interface on the 650 is really cool and to find out about ATPC on the 650, but when i got the email telling me it was relayed to the landlord that its a combination of our radio and local interference I got really pissed. Going out on a limb and saying maybe there is not directly a physical issue looking at the fluctuations on both sides output power (-15 to 21) and receive power (-47 to -78) with an ATPC threshold set to -35 (is this the default value?) The numbers make sense, output power is ranging 36db and receive powers are ranging 31db. EXCEPT that when i was on them the remote transmit was 21 and the local rx was -78, its not correlated to the range of numbers. so our radio was on 5755 i think at the time before i moved it, 10mhz. so for the sake of argument their 650 was also sitting on 5755 for whatever reason, and we will say it was recieving at the linkplanner target of -61 and had a -35 threshold on ATPC, if my ubnt had some sort of massive fart and hit the 650 antenna with more energy than -35, could the 650 assume that additional energy is coming from the remote and and issue an ATPC power down? would that account for all the tx power and rx power fluctuations? What I dont understand is since the peak rx was -47, why would the tx have even dropped if atpc was functioning especially don as low as a negative 15 Are there any bugs with ATPC with the 650? I dont recall there being any real configurable atpc parameter in the 3/500 series. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not talking about your issue, per say. Just commenting on the receiver front-end overload on rockets (and other UBNT AirMax radios). I'm sure this probably happens on MikroTik radios too. EPMP? Don't have any to test. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 09/23/2014 09:52 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: Im pretty sure there is no atheros chipset in a ptp650 to have this issue happen and since the rocket is a backhaul, if it were deaf im pretty sure it would be hard to
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg
Thanks to Mike, we found an issue with some of the initial batch of the Force 100 that affect the assembly. The issue is easily fixed. For those who have the Force 100, please go to the following link http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/epmp/how-to-videos and scroll down to the bottom to find: - Updated (and pizza free ☺ ) Assembly instructions - The Field Bulletin describing the issue and the fix - A video that will walk you through the assembly process Please contact Cambium Support, post a question on this list or send me an email if there are any other issues. John Butler Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+john.butler=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg The dish can only accommodate a 2 pipe (I had hung 2-7/8) and if you're not careful, you can knock the reflector off of the feedhorn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg I went to Rolling Meadows and there's an issue in the assembly from the factory. It's easily correctable in the field by loosening the four screws around the feedhorn hole on the mount. Straight up the two pieces, then tighten it back down. They're working on a factory process to resolve this. The feedhorn should just slide right in without much effort. If it takes effort, look to see if everythign is lining up. If you muscle the feedhorn too much, you may damage it, producing less than expected RF performance. Cambium was *very* warm regarding my criticism. Took notes. Looked at the product to see why it wasn't working. Assembled the four remaining units (and saw more issues). I talked to a few different people about my concerns. They thanked me for bringing the issue to their attention. No one said so, but I'd imagine they would have appreciated it if I wasn't so rampant in my complaints. ;-) They also took my commentary about what I think about other aspects of the line, not just that issue. I'm not going to drive to San Francisco or Latvia to air my complaints to them, so they'll have to fly me out. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:28:17 AM Subject: Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg Does anyone know why the Force 100 has not been recalled for being an absolutely dreadful product? I think the designers of the Force 100 looked at the NanoBridge and said how can we make this worse. *slow clap* Give them a bonus for they succeeded. I bought 12 units because of an emergency and now I'm not sure how far I'll be able to go as I surely won't be able to get the required 10 units even assembled. 1. Why so much assembly? 2. I'm reminded of 2004 by the amount of coax that needs to be sealed. Ubiquiti got it right with IP67 connectors and those little rubber boots on the Rockets. 3. If we're sealing the coax on the radio, why the rubber boot and zip ties? Surely they aren't more at risk than the N connectors on the antenna. 4. That feedhorn assembly is the worst! Does everything look stable? Yup. Okay, screw in the set screws. Check. Everything look good? Feedhorn falls out. WTF. Oh, apparently it wasn't all the way in. Try again. No. Try again. No. Try again? Can't because by now the set screws are striped and I can't get them out. I can't blame them for they should only be fastened once. Try another unit. Nope, this feedhorn just won't go all the way in. Now I'm not certain that the first two that actually went together are together correctly. Yes, I separated the dish from the mount in an attempt to 5. I like the flexibility of the mount, but that is just a massive hunk of steel and too complex for a CPE. 6. Is the idea of a simple clip like the Rocket too easy? Did someone need a science project? 7. For the record, I have correctly assembled (on the first try) a few Jirous dishes and they're a bear. Can I drive them all up to Rolling Ghettos today and have you guys assemble them for me? I need them actually operational by the AM. - Mike Hammett
[AFMUG] Installer attire
I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
Provide company logo sweatshirts and jackets? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 08:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
[AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
I think it depends on your customers. Here in Utah, camo attire would be completely appropriate. Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo on it. I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color. We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve. I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print logo on those. In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it. I think branding is important. If camo is your brand then go for it! If not, buy them some clothes. I have been more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints. They always seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg
Who came up with the design? The Nanobean is such a ease to put together…. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg Thanks to Mike, we found an issue with some of the initial batch of the Force 100 that affect the assembly. The issue is easily fixed. For those who have the Force 100, please go to the following link http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/support/epmp/how-to-videos and scroll down to the bottom to find: - Updated (and pizza free :) ) Assembly instructions - The Field Bulletin describing the issue and the fix - A video that will walk you through the assembly process Please contact Cambium Support, post a question on this list or send me an email if there are any other issues. John Butler Cambium Networks From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+john.butler=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:52 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg The dish can only accommodate a 2 pipe (I had hung 2-7/8) and if you're not careful, you can knock the reflector off of the feedhorn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 5:52:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg I went to Rolling Meadows and there's an issue in the assembly from the factory. It's easily correctable in the field by loosening the four screws around the feedhorn hole on the mount. Straight up the two pieces, then tighten it back down. They're working on a factory process to resolve this. The feedhorn should just slide right in without much effort. If it takes effort, look to see if everythign is lining up. If you muscle the feedhorn too much, you may damage it, producing less than expected RF performance. Cambium was *very* warm regarding my criticism. Took notes. Looked at the product to see why it wasn't working. Assembled the four remaining units (and saw more issues). I talked to a few different people about my concerns. They thanked me for bringing the issue to their attention. No one said so, but I'd imagine they would have appreciated it if I wasn't so rampant in my complaints. ;-) They also took my commentary about what I think about other aspects of the line, not just that issue. I'm not going to drive to San Francisco or Latvia to air my complaints to them, so they'll have to fly me out. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:28:17 AM Subject: Cambium Force 100 - Dysfunctional Rube Goldberg Does anyone know why the Force 100 has not been recalled for being an absolutely dreadful product? I think the designers of the Force 100 looked at the NanoBridge and said how can we make this worse. *slow clap* Give them a bonus for they succeeded. I bought 12 units because of an emergency and now I'm not sure how far I'll be able to go as I surely won't be able to get the required 10 units even assembled. 1. Why so much assembly? 2. I'm reminded of 2004 by the amount of coax that needs to be sealed. Ubiquiti got it right with IP67 connectors and those little rubber boots on the Rockets. 3. If we're sealing the coax on the radio, why the rubber boot and zip ties? Surely they aren't more at risk than the N connectors on the antenna. 4. That feedhorn assembly is the worst! Does everything look stable? Yup. Okay, screw in the set screws. Check. Everything look good? Feedhorn falls out. WTF. Oh, apparently it wasn't all the way in. Try again. No. Try again. No. Try again? Can't because by now the set screws are striped and I can't get them out. I can't blame them for they should only be fastened once. Try another unit. Nope, this feedhorn just won't go all the way in. Now I'm not certain that the first two that actually went together are together correctly. Yes, I
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
However... the goal is to not frighten the little old lady/young mother. Actually, the goal is to make all customers feel very comfortable and trusting. Not suggesting a pair of young men with white shirts, ties and name tags, but there is a good reason to look presentable. Camo will make some uneasy. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire I think it depends on your customers. Here in Utah, camo attire would be completely appropriate. Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo on it. I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color. We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve. I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print logo on those. In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it. I think branding is important. If camo is your brand then go for it! If not, buy them some clothes. I have been more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints. They always seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
We may be doing that. Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
Both are probably true. Our marketing department has to approve all survey/install attire. Survey attire is not the same as install attire, but I don't believe that a camo hoodie would be approved for either one. bp On 9/25/2014 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
Ok, I see that the Superior Essex is available in 2 fiber up to 12 fiber. So I am guessing it would be best to just buy the two fiber and run one to each backhaul. Thoughts? Anyone else doing this? I would guess that without gel would be preferred. I do not miss the days of gravity bringing all the gel down into my rack. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
I bitch about my boss alot, but he is good about our attire, he gives a christmas bonus that can be used to buy extra winter gear and he provides polos, sweatshirts, zippered hoodies, and tshirts from Lands End, theyre freaking durable He has looked into logod coats before but figures if its so cold you need one or coveralls you should wear what works best for you, besides when its that cold out, the customers normally arent outside looking at your attire logo The main thing that matters is the condition of the attire, a camo hoodie if its appropriate for the weather and theres a logod shirt under it is good so long as its clean and not full of holes. installer/techs shouldnt look homeless. Now if youre talking indoor work, or network services work, thats a different story, camo is not professional and doesnt belong indoors On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think it depends on your customers. Here in Utah, camo attire would be completely appropriate. Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo on it. I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color. We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve. I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print logo on those. In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it. I think branding is important. If camo is your brand then go for it! If not, buy them some clothes. I have been more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints. They always seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
Also, does anyone sell a similar fiber cable that also includes dc wires? On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ok, I see that the Superior Essex is available in 2 fiber up to 12 fiber. So I am guessing it would be best to just buy the two fiber and run one to each backhaul. Thoughts? Anyone else doing this? I would guess that without gel would be preferred. I do not miss the days of gravity bringing all the gel down into my rack. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
Every time we found one it was a case of 2+2 = 10. It was always (tremendously) cheaper to pull a pair of THHN wire in the conduit or a UF cable. Also, does anyone sell a similar fiber cable that also includes dc wires? On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Ok, I see that the Superior Essex is available in 2 fiber up to 12 fiber. So I am guessing it would be best to just buy the two fiber and run one to each backhaul. Thoughts? Anyone else doing this? I would guess that without gel would be preferred. I do not miss the days of gravity bringing all the gel down into my rack. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls. I have seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before. I had a couple of questions. Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable to each backhaul? Do they make a version with just two pair? Is there a way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6 backhauls over it? Would that be the recommended method? Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw) http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
I dunnoNew York State sells something like a million hunting licenses per year. I don't imagine those million or so people are all wearing camo to work. I think I've got to put on my boss pants and tell him to get a different sweatshirt. I think it depends on your customers. Here in Utah, camo attire would be completely appropriate. Although, I'd prefer camo attire with our company logo on it. I chose a bold color and purchased all of the clothing in that color. We have hats, beanies, hoodies, long sleeve, and short sleeve. I also purchased some white short sleeve shirts and did the digital full-color print logo on those. In the winter I wear a Black Carhart with the logo embroidered on it. I think branding is important. If camo is your brand then go for it! If not, buy them some clothes. I have been more satisfied with the finished product using screenprinting versus full color digital prints. They always seem to end up looking washed out and not nearly as bold as I would like them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, canopy--- via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
[AFMUG] Cambium Force100 Assembly Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCE44yo_PQ Took him 13 minutes to put it together. Yes, there was a bit of time for commentary, but not of unboxing. Lets see a video of someone from cambium start with a boxed up unit and and assembly this outside in freezing rain. 1. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to assemble anything by installers. 2. There should be no parts than can't be worked with while wearing waterproof gloves. 3. All nuts should be accessible with a socket. If a deep socket is required, like for a U-Bolt, then there should be plenty of room to get the socket on and off said nut. 4. All parts should be keyed in a manner to prevent them being installed sideways or upside down. 5. There should be nothing that cannot get wet. If things like N-connectors can get wet, they should come with rubber caps to prevent that until the unit is assembled and an umbrella/cover can be used to prevent rain/snow from getting on the connectors. 6. Many other smaller issues with this Maybe someone else can add what they see.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litew ire.net From: 0148a9cf7626-53a62885-89e0-4e1c-9c7f-b4d8519c55eb-00@amazonses.c om https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2633740531domain=lite wire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=24 2260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1; rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242 260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1r ID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
[AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
Anybody getting them back in stock? Amazon is up to $140 is a good indication of available stock. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
We switched to fusion splicing with splice on connectors once we started doing fiber on a daily basis. As such, we have a complete 3M Crimplok kit that we can sell you for way below the price of a new one. If it's not the same thing he's using in that video, it's at least very similar. It was used probably half a dozen times in real life, plus maybe 20 practice ends. email me at a...@plexicomm.net if you're interested and I'll send you photos of the whole kit. Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp? Are these recommended? Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools? I have attached Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw)
Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
We just got 5 in from http://www.ispsupplies.com/ not sure how we got in bed with them There is also the stock locator tool from UBNT On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody getting them back in stock? Amazon is up to $140 is a good indication of available stock. Rory -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148a9cf7626-53a62885-89e0-4e1c-9c7f-b4d8519c55eb-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2633740531domain=litewire.net amazonses.com /
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Sorry, I'd have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific. We didn't have BGP on our routers. I can only tell you the symptoms that I was aware of. CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually occurred within 24-48 hours. I know we didn't do a lot of trouble-shooting, just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had. We didn't mess around with it much. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litew ire.net From:
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litew ire.net From: 0148a9cf7626-53a62885-89e0-4e1c-9c7f-b4d8519c55eb-00@amazonses.c om https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2633740531domain=lite
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Okay. That was what I was expecting. Unless I'm reading what Chris wrote wrong, that didn't happen to the CCR. It happened to the Edge router (I think he said it was an Imagestream). Replacing the CCR didn't change that and the replacement (x86?) was very slow until he rebooted the Edge. I agree with not messing around with it. That's why we're ordering a replacement today for the CCR that we have one of our edge connections right now. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Sorry, I'd have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific. We didn't have BGP on our routers. I can only tell you the symptoms that I was aware of. CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually occurred within 24-48 hours. I know we didn't do a lot of trouble-shooting, just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had. We didn't mess around with it much. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
If that's the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Can Vyatta (or UBNT's variant of it) do multicore processing for BGP? That seems to be the sticking point with Mikrotik. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE If that's the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Have a border router running full tables and gigabit connections too couple BGP peers for likely ~9 months now. It replaced an Atom based Mikrotik. Router also does some basic firewalling and etc. Updated too latest Mikrotik release(6.19) week ago on it. Not really having any issues with it. BGP does seem to be single threaded so one CPU is maxed out frequently. Also have couple CCR's running 6.17 and terminating large number of PPPoE users. Have had issues with them but not for while. Not sure which release fixed it. Plan on updating them to latest Mikrotik release some evening just have not gotten around too it. I just don't think I would want to do BGP and PPPoE on same box myself. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All’s fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn’t kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM’s, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here’s the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they’re insanely slow in doing it. It’s not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers perhaps? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
That sounds similar to an issue I saw on an RB2011 after I upgraded it to, I think, 6.18. In my case, downgrading to what it had before (I don't remember the specific version off hand), didn't completely fix the problem... it was a couple months ago so I don't remember specifically what it did after I downgraded. I had to reset the router to defaults and re-configure it to get it working again, after which it ran perfectly fine with 6.18. From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Rory Conaway via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Sorry, I’d have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific. We didn’t have BGP on our routers. I can only tell you the symptoms that I was aware of. CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually occurred within 24-48 hours. I know we didn’t do a lot of trouble-shooting, just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had. We didn’t mess around with it much. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I’m a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris’ description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn’t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I’m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he’s having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it’s doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It’s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750’s to 1100’s. Went back to 6.15 and haven’t had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All’s fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn’t kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Since when are tilera cores the same as cavium cores? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: If that�s the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I�m a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s. Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All�s fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn�t kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM�s, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here�s the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
Sorry, it's more detailed than that: http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs16.pdf Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:32 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If a company sweatshirt or jacket is required for wear (or any uniform), you must provide them. USDoL code. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 07:40 AM, canopy--- via Af wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Oops, you are right. I thought they were using the same chips. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Since when are tilera cores the same as cavium cores? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: If that�s the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 � After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
The UBNT routers only have two cores don't they? I would assume BGP being multi-threaded would be much less of an issue since the individual cores are (I'm assuming) a lot faster than on the CCR. From: Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Since when are tilera cores the same as cavium cores? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: If that�s the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 � After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All�s fine and dandy for
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
If you buy solid uniforms from somewhere like Lands End, the long term cost is pretty low. I have polos that are 5 years old that I can still wear on site work and installs. They have faded some, but they show very few stains and dont tear easily. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I worked for places that provided the first set and then you had to buy replacements (from them).� Not saying I would do that, but I'm wondering if they were doing it wrong. If a company sweatshirt or jacket is required for wear (or any uniform), you must provide them. USDoL code. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 07:40 AM, canopy--- via Af wrote: Give them (or make them buy) sweatshirts and jackets with your logo on them. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Props to powercode
I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd jacket. Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots. Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed. You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or anything else unprofessional. You never know when a customer might stop by and you always want to look your best. Keefe On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all. Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
[AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I'm looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs. Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Agreed, Dennis. HUGE letdown that Mikrotik hasn't enabled multicore BGP yet. 35 cores go to waste. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other various VM's, and ESXi hosts themselves. Here's the fun part: We took the CCR out, just flat out unplugged it and turned on our old Core routers. They start authenticating customers but they're insanely slow in doing it. It's not until we reboot our Edge 1 router that things get back to normal and the old Core routers authenticate at acceptable speeds. Could the CCR be inducing a problem in our Edge routers
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
On 9/25/14, 10:59, Chris Wright via Af wrote: Agreed, Dennis. HUGE letdown that Mikrotik hasn�t enabled multicore BGP yet. 35 cores go to waste. Multithreaded BGP processes aren't exactly common, it's not like everyone has it except Mikrotik. I wouldn't make plans expecting multithreaded BGP to save you later. This is more of an unsuitable product application with the lots of slow cores architecture. Choose the right tool for the job. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
Thanks a lot for the kind words, Steve! On 9/25/2014 12:45 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Simon Westlake *Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS powercode.com http://powercode.com P: 920-351-1010 E: si...@powercode.com
Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me
My doctor is upping my meds on Monday so the assasin list thing should be less bothersome Is this duplicate email thing going to get fixed? If I create a thread it has two one from me and one from me@afmug, the @afmug one ends up boing the primary one (probably just how gmail sorts) but everytime I reply there are two responses generated and it shows it as a new message rather than read like it used to Also if you hover over the persons name it doesnt display their email it has their name via AF and their email is listed as af@afmug so you cant send them offlist harassments and threats. User via Af via https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en amazonses.com sounds like a bunch of shell companies shifting money around to me On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know what ya mean man! On 09/23/2014 02:39 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: The list has been outside my window every night this week trying to assassinate me, I dont appreciate having to spend my evenings hidden on the floor behind my couch. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: TY.. On 09/23/2014 07:53 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: We are still looking at that issue :) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me Happens to me as well on iphone. Sucks. Sam Lambie Wireless Internet Technician www.taosnet.com 575.758.7598 On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:00 AM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Threads are not consolidating as threads but instead splattered up and down list. I am sure this is a thunderbird issue and not a filter issue with the list. -- Davidmvcf.jpg -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Plus even when they release it (in v7 I believe) I wouldn't count on it being stable for quite some time. On 09/25/2014 11:04 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote: On 9/25/14, 10:59, Chris Wright via Af wrote: Agreed, Dennis. HUGE letdown that Mikrotik hasn�t enabled multicore BGP yet. 35 cores go to waste. Multithreaded BGP processes aren't exactly common, it's not like everyone has it except Mikrotik. I wouldn't make plans expecting multithreaded BGP to save you later. This is more of an unsuitable product application with the lots of slow cores architecture. Choose the right tool for the job. ~Seth !DSPAM:2,5424597227387095052858!
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Correct. The Mikrotik seemed to incite a delayed (approximately 12 hours) BGP issue in Imagestream Edge 1 that was not fixed until removing the Mikrotik and rebooting Edge 1. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Okay. That was what I was expecting. Unless I'm reading what Chris wrote wrong, that didn't happen to the CCR. It happened to the Edge router (I think he said it was an Imagestream). Replacing the CCR didn't change that and the replacement (x86?) was very slow until he rebooted the Edge. I agree with not messing around with it. That's why we're ordering a replacement today for the CCR that we have one of our edge connections right now. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Sorry, I'd have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific. We didn't have BGP on our routers. I can only tell you the symptoms that I was aware of. CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually occurred within 24-48 hours. I know we didn't do a lot of trouble-shooting, just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had. We didn't mess around with it much. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in
Re: [AFMUG] New XW rocketM?
We see higher performance with the XW radios over the XM radios, however when using both on the same access point, they need to run 5.5.10RC to avoid compatibility issues. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New XW rocketM? Are the new XW RocketMs performing any better for you guys? _ wtm wrote: OK, there are 4 series of equipment now: XM = older Rockets, NanoBRIDGES, Nanostation, Loco, Bullets XW = newer NanoBEAMS, Nanostations, Loco's, Newer Rocket TIs + Newer Rocket M (vanilla) TI = Older Rocket TI's XC = Rocket AC units _ The latest STABLE version firmware is the 5.5.10 RC2 for XM, XW, and TI units (which has the UNII-1 unlock) The latest BETA version firmware is 5.6 b4 (which does NOT have the UNII-1 unlock) next beta is the 5.6b5 due out end of September (which should then have UNII-1 unlock in it) — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
I think Steve should have waited until he had 5 beers in him before posting. Much more fun to read. From: Simon Westlake via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Thanks a lot for the kind words, Steve! On 9/25/2014 12:45 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Simon Westlake Powercode - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS powercode.com P: 920-351-1010 E: si...@powercode.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
So far the cavium chips used in the edgerouters are only duocore, but cavium does have several chips with many more cores than that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:42 AM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: The UBNT routers only have two cores don't they? I would assume BGP being multi-threaded would be much less of an issue since the individual cores are (I'm assuming) a lot faster than on the CCR. *From:* Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Since when are tilera cores the same as cavium cores? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: If that�s the case, are you saying the Ubiquiti routers which use the same processors will have that same limitation? � Rory � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19. � Rory � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM *To:*
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
.also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
Not saying anything bad about PowerCode or any other billing system. Note that we have had several billing systems send our customer Form 477 data, remember that you need to have two things, 1 is the subscriber report listing census tracts where your customers are. Billing platforms are very good at this one, in one case, no it was not PowerCode, so don’t think I am saying anything bad about them as we work with them and their customers all of the time, but in one case, the broadband deployment the billing system gave showed something like 138 census blocks of coverage where as it should be more like 5500 block. Remember that is your actual coverage area that you can supply services within a reasonable amount of time, not currently providing services, and circles etc. are not a good way of doing that, in fact the FCC said NOT to do that as its not realistic. Just make sure you are getting what you need on the form 477, we have got a few of these already and I just want to make sure that you have proper data. J BTW The DEADLINE is OCT 1st! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Props to powercode I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
They will not, in fact they said it can't be done. They are improving the performance though so far around 10 fold on v7. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Agreed, Dennis. HUGE letdown that Mikrotik hasn't enabled multicore BGP yet. 35 cores go to waste. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt our CCR was ready to take the plunge. The core router talks BGP to our two Imagestream Edge routers and gets all 500k+ routes from each in about three minutes. Its PPPoE server manages to authenticate the bulk of nearly 1800 customers in four minutes. All's fine and dandy for about 12 hours, then not so fine and dandy things start happening. Overall traffic that should be near 600mbps seems to top off around 400mbps. Edge 1 goes unresponsive, VRRP doesn't kick in on Edge 2 and the entire network degrades. All devices on our public switch go partially unresponsive to pings including our DNS servers, other
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
seal blubber causes paranoia From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire Gonna flip this on it's head... Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truck with uniform standards and tons of paperwork. Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by and you always want to look your best. Keefe On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
We have those here LOL On 09/25/2014 02:02 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Gonna flip this on it's head... Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truckwith uniform standards and tons of paperwork. Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by and you always want to look your best. Keefe On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart.
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Was curious if it would have responded the same as ours. Not worth the headaches though so we're looking at not running BGP on any of the CCRs (at least if they're doing anything else). From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, we removed the CCR from the network before rebooting Edge1. We never tried restarting BGP on Edge1 first. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE That was my original question though. Did you try restarting BGP on your Edge1 and before you rebooted it? Mostly just curiosity at this point but that fixed what sounds like a very similar situation that we had. Turning off the BGP peering to the CCR with PPPOE kept it from happening again. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Correct. The Mikrotik seemed to incite a delayed (approximately 12 hours) BGP issue in Imagestream Edge 1 that was not fixed until removing the Mikrotik and rebooting Edge 1. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:08 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Okay. That was what I was expecting. Unless I'm reading what Chris wrote wrong, that didn't happen to the CCR. It happened to the Edge router (I think he said it was an Imagestream). Replacing the CCR didn't change that and the replacement (x86?) was very slow until he rebooted the Edge. I agree with not messing around with it. That's why we're ordering a replacement today for the CCR that we have one of our edge connections right now. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:59 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Sorry, I'd have to get my network admin in on this to be more specific. We didn't have BGP on our routers. I can only tell you the symptoms that I was aware of. CPU utilization went to the roof, remote access was really, really slow, and users had high-latency or were dropping connections and this usually occurred within 24-48 hours. I know we didn't do a lot of trouble-shooting, just went back to 6.15 since that was stable on everything else we had. We didn't mess around with it much. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply.
Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me
I don't get the one from the list member, only the ones with name via Af. bp On 9/25/2014 11:13 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: My doctor is upping my meds on Monday so the assasin list thing should be less bothersome Is this duplicate email thing going to get fixed? If I create a thread it has two one from me and one from me@afmug, the @afmug one ends up boing the primary one (probably just how gmail sorts) but everytime I reply there are two responses generated and it shows it as a new message rather than read like it used to Also if you hover over the persons name it doesnt display their email it has their name via AF and their email is listed as af@afmug so you cant send them offlist harassments and threats. User via Afvia https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en amazonses.com http://amazonses.com sounds like a bunch of shell companies shifting money around to me On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I know what ya mean man! On 09/23/2014 02:39 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: The list has been outside my window every night this week trying to assassinate me, I dont appreciate having to spend my evenings hidden on the floor behind my couch. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: TY.. On 09/23/2014 07:53 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: We are still looking at that issue :) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm mailto:af-bounces%2Bpaulm=pdmnet@afmug.com mailto:pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie via Af Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List buggies that bug me Happens to me as well on iphone. Sucks. Sam Lambie Wireless Internet Technician www.taosnet.com http://www.taosnet.com 575.758.7598 tel:575.758.7598 On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:00 AM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Threads are not consolidating as threads but instead splattered up and down list. I am sure this is a thunderbird issue and not a filter issue with the list. -- Davidmvcf.jpg -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
This is true. ryan (a normally bearded guy) On 9/25/14 3:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you don't have a beard in Alaska, you are untrusted. (Even the women!) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 11:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Gonna flip this on it's head... Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truckwith uniform standards and tons of paperwork. Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by and you always want to look your best. Keefe On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart. -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire
You don't trust women without beards? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire This is true. ryan (a normally bearded guy) On 9/25/14 3:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you don't have a beard in Alaska, you are untrusted. (Even the women!) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 11:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: What about guys with Duck Dynasty style beards? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.netmailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 11:57 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Gonna flip this on it's head... Here in Alaska, if you are wearing a uniform from any company that isn't a local utility, you are immediately untrusted. People here would rather do business with guys operating out of an unmarked truck that they've known their entire lives than working out of some fancy whole-logo-wrapped truckwith uniform standards and tons of paperwork. Just something I've learned since being here... it's a different world. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 09:54 AM, Keefe John via Af wrote: We don't let anyone go to a customer without logo'd professional apparel. We give each tech 5 shirts(a mix of polos and buttondowns) plus a logo'd jacket.� Tech's must wear nice pants or jeans plus the logo'd shirt and tennis shoes or boots.� Nothing worn out, ripped, dirty, etc is allowed.� You want your employees to look like professionals not duck dynasty. Even in the office we don't allow tshirts, hoodies, shorts, sandals, or anything else unprofessional.� You never know when a customer might stop by and you always want to look your best. Keefe On 9/25/2014 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.� Am I crazy to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the internet are we? I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of grumpy old fart. -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.netmailto:rsp...@irongoat.net Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 0148ae4c392f-f3075a80-7b53-41c0-80f9-07b0ac77dfaa-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2637091079domain=litewire.net Message Score: 2 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2637091079domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2637091079domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2637091079domain=litewire.net amazonses.com / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2637091079domain=litewire.net amazonses.com enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltdwww.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
sudo apt-get clean sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get autoremove Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltdwww.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
What is the cost per user for all the features you're talking about? It was a little too steep for me last time I checked, and I can't imagine it has gone down in price. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Yeah I am trying to figure out what else I may be operating that is vulnerable. UBNT? Mikrotik? Cisco? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It can be exposed by anything that invokes bash - which is a ton of stuff typically on Linux systems. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
If it runs bash, it's vulnerable. Cisco devices running IOS don't use bash for anything that I know of. I'm not sure about MT, but I doubt that it's a concern there either. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah I am trying to figure out what else I may be operating that is vulnerable. UBNT? Mikrotik? Cisco? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It can be exposed by anything that invokes bash - which is a ton of stuff typically on Linux systems. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
On Centos/Redhat yum update The current patch solves the worst of it as I understand, another patch should be out shortly as well. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
[AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay. Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort. If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second. I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it. Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it. The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one). The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue. I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time. Anybody? P.S.: I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday. Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole?
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
UBNT not vulnerable as AirOS doesn't have bash, it uses busybox (already tested this myself). EdgeRouters all vulnerable. You can either download bash fromdebian stable/security, or wait for an incoming patch. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 12:04 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: Yeah I am trying to figure out what else I may be operating that is vulnerable. UBNT? Mikrotik? Cisco? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It can be exposed by anything that invokes bash - which is a ton of stuff typically on Linux systems. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz mailto:af-bounces%2Bpkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com mailto:unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
Streakwave is showing 127 in stock. Stock BreakUp for NanoBridge M Series, 5GHz 25dBi dual pol*Location**Stock*California Warehouse93Utah Warehouse34*Total Stock**127* Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just got 5 in from http://www.ispsupplies.com/ not sure how we got in bed with them There is also the stock locator tool from UBNT On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody getting them back in stock? Amazon is up to $140 is a good indication of available stock. Rory -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Cool. Sounds like only my Linux boxes are vulnerable really. Already patched them up. -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT not vulnerable as AirOS doesn't have bash, it uses busybox (already tested this myself). EdgeRouters all vulnerable. You can either download bash from debian stable/security, or wait for an incoming patch. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 12:04 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: Yeah I am trying to figure out what else I may be operating that is vulnerable. UBNT? Mikrotik? Cisco? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It can be exposed by anything that invokes bash - which is a ton of stuff typically on Linux systems. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
Re: [AFMUG] New XW rocketM?
*XM = older Rockets, NanoBRIDGES, Nanostation, Loco, Bullets* There are also older units which don't support a 1600 byte MTU (Rocket M5, XM), which are useless for MPLS deployments. And then there's units that do, also Rocket M5 XM. Many of the units that were built in ubiquiti's first MAC prefix from around 2010 don't do MPLS. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:08 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are the new XW RocketMs performing any better for you guys? -- wtm wrote: OK, there are 4 series of equipment now: XM = older Rockets, NanoBRIDGES, Nanostation, Loco, Bullets XW = newer NanoBEAMS, Nanostations, Loco's *, Newer Rocket TIs + Newer Rocket M (vanilla)* TI = *Older* Rocket TI's XC = Rocket AC units -- The latest STABLE version firmware is the 5.5.10 RC2 for XM, XW, and TI units (which has the UNII-1 unlock) The latest BETA version firmware is 5.6 b4 (which does NOT have the UNII-1 unlock) next beta is the 5.6b5 due out end of September (which should then have UNII-1 unlock in it) — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules?— Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
Thanks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25 Streakwave is showing 127 in stock. Stock BreakUp for NanoBridge M Series, 5GHz 25dBi dual pol Location Stock California Warehouse 93 Utah Warehouse 34 Total Stock 127 Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just got 5 in from http://www.ispsupplies.com/ not sure how we got in bed with them There is also the stock locator tool from UBNT On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody getting them back in stock? Amazon is up to $140 is a good indication of available stock. Rory -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
absolutely, enough that i opened access to the live billing server for the techs to get in the habit of using their phones. If I open a firewall up that says alot On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
On 9/25/14, 14:34, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: why not buy nanobeam M5-400? same dish size, works on the same 24VDC PoE, interoperable with the other stuff. mechanically much better. It's probably not very interoperable without DFS in some cases, like if you use those bands. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Re-Bash-shell-vuln-Is-ER-also-vulnerable/m-p/1024737/highlight/true#M43038 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT not vulnerable as AirOS doesn't have bash, it uses busybox (already tested this myself). EdgeRouters all vulnerable. You can either download bash from debian stable/security, or wait for an incoming patch. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 12:04 PM, Ty Featherling via Af wrote: Yeah I am trying to figure out what else I may be operating that is vulnerable. UBNT? Mikrotik? Cisco? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It can be exposed by anything that invokes bash - which is a ton of stuff typically on Linux systems. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
[AFMUG] update bash, people
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/09/25/1757208/flurry-of-scans-hint-that-bash-vulnerability-could-already-be-in-the-wild
Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25
Yep, still waiting for DFS. I want the directivity but we use a lot of DFS. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge 5M-25 On 9/25/14, 14:34, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: why not buy nanobeam M5-400? same dish size, works on the same 24VDC PoE, interoperable with the other stuff. mechanically much better. It's probably not very interoperable without DFS in some cases, like if you use those bands. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp?) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram From: Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it's as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync'd with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they're talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+gripmailto:af-bounces%2Bgrip=nbnworks@afmug.commailto:nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I'm looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs... Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
As far as I know, the PMP450 has the internal antenna, ePMP does not. I can tell you that without the antenna attached, the one I had on the bench the other day did not see any sats. Jeremy: Yes each GPS Sync ePMP comes with a GPS antenna. It's a magnetic puck type like you would stick on top of a car, but It goes onto a steel plate in a pocket on the top of the Cambium sector antenna. You should buy one of Cambium's sectors and an AP before you consider third party antennas btw, the cambium one has a couple of convenient features (like the GPS antenna pocket) that I don't think anybody has duplicated yet. They don't all have to see the same satellites. You can use a mix of sync devices. You can change the sync source remotely via the web GUI if you have more than one connected. It has been asserted (I think by Packetflux) that you could get minute timing differences if you use two different sync sources at the same site. I'm not clear on how terrible of a problem that would be, but I know lots of people end up with a mixed bag of timing sources for one reason or another. Like when you add that 5th AP but forgot that you only had a 4 port sync injector. the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip mailto:af-bounces%2Bgrip=nbnworks@afmug.com mailto:nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
We have moved from an office assisted activation to the techs in the field with the new mobile interface Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Date: Thu, Sep 25, 2014 4:09 PM The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules?— Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
I've seen that before, but not with fiber anywhere. My current deployments with RB2011 don't show this and it's similar to your setup. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sterling=avative@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:41 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay. Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort. If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second. I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it. Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it. The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one). The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue. I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time. Anybody? P.S.: I emailed supp...@mikrotik.commailto:supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday. Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole? [cid:image001.png@01CFD8DD.4F7C1E20]
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
I haven't run the newer versions of ROS on a PC yet. V5 was unstable on x86, at least on a Core i7. Seems stable enough on our DNS server, but it is AMD Phenom II and doesn't see traffic aside from DNS. Rumor has it v6 is pretty nice on x86. I'd love to hear confirmation from anyone. V5 enabled use of some Intel cards not working in v4, however would randomly reboot due to a QoS bug with that particular kernel. - Original Message - From: Bruce Robertson via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Oh, and if you really want to have a lot of horsepower why not go with a generic rackmount PC, with redundant power supplies and fans?� Serious question to those with more MT experience than I any problems with doing that? On 09/25/2014 04:25 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af wrote: I see all this discussion on CCR and not running BGP on it. I run full tables with 2 external peers on my CCRs with no issue (1 has been up for 240 days and the other 367 days running 6.2 and 6.4 software releases). I am not terminating PPPoE on the devices. You guys are scaring me now. What would you recommend for an x86 product to handle about 800Mbps of traffic with at least 2 external BGP peers and full routes? I see all these products that have atom processors, but that does not see large enough. I was hoping I could find something with Xeon processors. Gilbert On 9/25/2014 9:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid.� We saw similar problems with 6.19. � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
I've been playing with v6 on a VM slice and it's been working fine, but of course that's not a real test. On 09/25/2014 04:49 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote: I haven't run the newer versions of ROS on a PC yet. V5 was unstable on x86, at least on a Core i7. Seems stable enough on our DNS server, but it is AMD Phenom II and doesn't see traffic aside from DNS. Rumor has it v6 is pretty nice on x86. I'd love to hear confirmation from anyone. V5 enabled use of some Intel cards not working in v4, however would randomly reboot due to a QoS bug with that particular kernel. - Original Message - *From:* Bruce Robertson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:40 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Oh, and if you really want to have a lot of horsepower why not go with a generic rackmount PC, with redundant power supplies and fans?� Serious question to those with more MT experience than I any problems with doing that? On 09/25/2014 04:25 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af wrote: I see all this discussion on CCR and not running BGP on it. I run full tables with 2 external peers on my CCRs with no issue (1 has been up for 240 days and the other 367 days running 6.2 and 6.4 software releases). I am not terminating PPPoE on the devices. You guys are scaring me now. What would you recommend for an x86 product to handle about 800Mbps of traffic with at least 2 external BGP peers and full routes? I see all these products that have atom processors, but that does not see large enough. I was hoping I could find something with Xeon processors. Gilbert On 9/25/2014 9:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � I�m a bit confused.� What symptoms did you see with your routers?� What I got from Chris� description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb.� Replacing the CCR didn�t fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router.� Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? � I�m not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently.� I would suspect that he�s having an issue with BGP on the CCR.� In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it.� It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case).� I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily.� When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again.� We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR.� The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it�s doing anything else.� Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it.� It�s not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750�s to 1100�s.� Went back to 6.15 and haven�t had a problem in 3 weeks. � Rory � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE � Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail
I used windows live mail client with several gmail accounts. I can drag and drop emails into other local folders, I can backup I can do anything I want just like it is a non gmail account. From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Exede has its hooks into people who lack the will or technical sophistication to change email accounts. Exede email is currently “Gmail powered” using the usern...@exede.net domain name. It is 100% Gmail but additionally branded as “Exede”. So first question. Will Exede cancel the person’s “exede gmail” email account when they cancel their satellite service? I assume this is not a “free” Gmail account so I expect the answer will be ‘yes’. If so, what is the best way to migrate stored data such as historical email to a vanilla usern...@gmail.com account? Confusion reigns due to the auto log-in feature of Chrome as some users can’t understand the difference between a browser log-in and an email log-in and an Exede web site log-in since they all use the same email @exede.net email address as the username and the browser “handles” this for them. PC Blaze Broadband
[AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors to towers. Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized radios with sectors. We started out with 18 standoffs on a Rohn 25G tower, because some smart guy suggested that was what we needed. Another smart guy suggested 24, so some of them were done like that. Then, someone else suggested that we really didn't need standoffs at all, that they could be mounted each on a leg of the tower and we would be fine. (we always ran 3 120 sector/AP configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz). As far as difference that we could measure, we found no difference in AP to SM performance when we measured at any distance of connection. Maybe we were missing something, but anyway, we settled on mounting them directly on the tower leg. Moving forward to today. We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series instead of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to back, with North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse configuration) and East/West on the other frequency. One of the 4 sectors had to have a custom mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that comes with the sector, thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90 degree offset) to be put on one leg right near each other. Again, this is Frequency Re-use a bit of a different scenario. Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency, so North and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and West would be vertically separated. Alrighty then :) . so we have 6 towers to go move things around on. We are going to some test tomorrow on the first tower to see exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B isolation. Using ePMP eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to see. OKso here is where I want opinions. Really I'd like expert advice, but I will settle for opinions :) How far should these sectors be stood off from the tower, if at all? I am not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio data, so its back to this is all theory.Is the standoff question a front to back issue at all, or a we want the metal sector away from the metal tower a little bit? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail
Do you have the accounts set up as POP3 or IMAP in the windows live mail client? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+xorex63list=gmail@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail I used windows live mail client with several gmail accounts. I can drag and drop emails into other local folders, I can backup I can do anything I want just like it is a non gmail account. From: Paul Conlin via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Exede has its hooks into people who lack the will or technical sophistication to change email accounts. Exede email is currently “Gmail powered” using the usern...@exede.net domain name. It is 100% Gmail but additionally branded as “Exede”. So first question. Will Exede cancel the person’s “exede gmail” email account when they cancel their satellite service? I assume this is not a “free” Gmail account so I expect the answer will be ‘yes’. If so, what is the best way to migrate stored data such as historical email to a vanilla usern...@gmail.com account? Confusion reigns due to the auto log-in feature of Chrome as some users can’t understand the difference between a browser log-in and an email log-in and an Exede web site log-in since they all use the same email @exede.net email address as the username and the browser “handles” this for them. PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
I thought the standoffs were so tower climbers could climb past your equipment without using them as footpegs. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc. Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors to towers. Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized radios with sectors. We started out with 18” standoffs on a Rohn 25G tower, because some “smart guy” suggested that was what we needed. Another smart guy suggested 24”, so some of them were done like that. Then, someone else suggested that we really didn’t need standoffs at all, that they could be mounted each on a leg of the tower and we would be fine. (we always ran 3 120 sector/AP configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz). As far as difference that we could measure, we found no difference in AP to SM performance when we measured at any distance of connection. Maybe we were missing something, but anyway, we settled on mounting them directly on the tower leg. Moving forward to today. We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series instead of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to back, with North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse configuration) and East/West on the other frequency. One of the 4 sectors had to have a custom mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that comes with the sector, thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90 degree offset) to be put on one leg right near each other. Again, this is Frequency Re-use a bit of a different scenario. Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency, so North and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and West would be vertically separated. Alrighty then J ….. so we have 6 towers to go move things around on. We are going to some test tomorrow on the first tower to see exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B isolation. Using ePMP eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to see. OK….so here is where I want opinions. Really I’d like “expert advice”, but I will settle for opinions J How far “should” these sectors be “stood off” from the tower, if at all? I am not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio data, so its back to this is “all theory”.Is the standoff question a front to back issue at all, or a “we want the metal” sector away from the metal tower a little bit? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
Wait, you're NOT supposed to step on the top of the sectors and dishes? Well how do you know if the guy before you mounted things securely or not?!? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 05:26 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I thought the standoffs were so tower climbers could climb past your equipment without using them as footpegs. *From:* Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc. Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors to towers. Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized radios with sectors. We started out with 18” standoffs on a Rohn 25G tower, because some “smart guy” suggested that was what we needed. Another smart guy suggested 24”, so some of them were done like that. Then, someone else suggested that we really didn’t need standoffs at all, that they could be mounted each on a leg of the tower and we would be fine. (we always ran 3 120 sector/AP configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz). As far as difference that we could measure, we found no difference in AP to SM performance when we measured at any distance of connection. Maybe we were missing something, but anyway, we settled on mounting them directly on the tower leg. Moving forward to today. We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series instead of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to back, with North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse configuration) and East/West on the other frequency. One of the 4 sectors had to have a custom mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that comes with the sector, thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90 degree offset) to be put on one leg right near each other. Again, this is Frequency Re-use a bit of a different scenario. Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency, so North and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and West would be vertically separated. Alrighty then J ….. so we have 6 towers to go move things around on. We are going to some test tomorrow on the first tower to see exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B isolation. Using ePMP eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to see. OK….so here is where I want opinions. Really I’d like “expert advice”, but I will settle for opinions J How far “should” these sectors be “stood off” from the tower, if at all? I am not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio data, so its back to this is “all theory”. Is the standoff question a front to back issue at all, or a “we want the metal” sector away from the metal tower a little bit? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM To: That One Guy via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram _ From: Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip mailto:af-bounces%2Bgrip =nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre
Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail
there used to be clear instructions in gmail help for doing this, it was in the same place with the instructions for setting gmail up to do a pop connection to another mail account. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you have the accounts set up as POP3 or IMAP in the windows live mail client? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+xorex63list=gmail@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail I used windows live mail client with several gmail accounts. I can drag and drop emails into other local folders, I can backup I can do anything I want just like it is a non gmail account. *From:* Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Exede has its hooks into people who lack the will or technical sophistication to change email accounts. Exede email is currently “Gmail powered” using the usern...@exede.net domain name. It is 100% Gmail but additionally branded as “Exede”. So first question. Will Exede cancel the person’s “exede gmail” email account when they cancel their satellite service? I assume this is not a “free” Gmail account so I expect the answer will be ‘yes’. If so, what is the best way to migrate stored data such as historical email to a vanilla usern...@gmail.com account? Confusion reigns due to the auto log-in feature of Chrome as some users can’t understand the difference between a browser log-in and an email log-in and an Exede web site log-in since they all use the same email @ exede.net email address as the username and the browser “handles” this for them. PC Blaze Broadband -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail
this looks like what youre wanting, it looks like its in a format a semi savvy laymen could do it http://www.howtogeek.com/148036/how-to-migrate-your-google-account-to-a-new-one/ On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:05 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: there used to be clear instructions in gmail help for doing this, it was in the same place with the instructions for setting gmail up to do a pop connection to another mail account. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you have the accounts set up as POP3 or IMAP in the windows live mail client? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+xorex63list=gmail@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail I used windows live mail client with several gmail accounts. I can drag and drop emails into other local folders, I can backup I can do anything I want just like it is a non gmail account. *From:* Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Exede has its hooks into people who lack the will or technical sophistication to change email accounts. Exede email is currently “Gmail powered” using the usern...@exede.net domain name. It is 100% Gmail but additionally branded as “Exede”. So first question. Will Exede cancel the person’s “exede gmail” email account when they cancel their satellite service? I assume this is not a “free” Gmail account so I expect the answer will be ‘yes’. If so, what is the best way to migrate stored data such as historical email to a vanilla usern...@gmail.com account? Confusion reigns due to the auto log-in feature of Chrome as some users can’t understand the difference between a browser log-in and an email log-in and an Exede web site log-in since they all use the same email @ exede.net email address as the username and the browser “handles” this for them. PC Blaze Broadband -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
