Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Strangely enough, I've had the opposite experience with reliability. I've had more mysterious deaths from sync injectors.haven't had a CMM failure in years. You really prefer the CMM? I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing sync, losing power, dying. It seems to me like the sync injectors are a fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of product. They just keep on working. I actually prefer the cheaper version that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
Sort of but not totally. For example, if you are rural and don’t have wireline competitors like cable, low-cost fiber, or DSL that can deliver 25-40Mbps, then you can be more competitive with commercial. In that case, You can charge $300 or more for 25Mbps and up. In suburbs and city environments for the most part, cable providers are delivering 25/5for about $145, 50/10 for about $250, and 100/20 for $350. If your last mile as a WISP is off a PTMP vertical asset like a tower, not only don’t you have the technology to guarantee the 100Mbps for example, you don’t have a lot of room on your AP to deliver 50 or 25Mbps. It’s just not profitable at those levels if you use a standard tower based model in those environments, even assuming you have little interference which is another issue. You also can’t push low-cost business as an option since even 25Mbps DSL is only $100 or less. With residential you not only have more options, you also have a much higher density of users to get a great return on the vertical asset. That being said, there are still opportunities in commercial using other designs. Although there are still pockets of commercial where you might be able to provide a lower cost model if the only other option the businesses have is ADSL , for the most part, we are now targeting businesses that are willing to pay $350 per month or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential This choice is based on how you market your services is it not? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I doubt anybody can make that perfect grid shown in the white papers. You just get as close as is reasonable. When ePMP first came out there was a document describing the two channel layout vs four channels and it spelled out that there are specific cases where you are guaranteed to get self interference in a two channel system. You can switch sync sources in the web GUI. According to the guys at the ePMP Tour in Albany, the Front and back sector designations are strictly informational. Like the sectorID in Canopy. The setting has no actual technical affect, so if you don't need it as a mnemonic device you can ignore it. Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90°and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* That One Guy via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp ) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram *From:*Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com mailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an internal patch On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: So would you be able to switch over to the onboard sync remotely? Do you need an antenna for each AP for using it? Do you think it’s as precise as using an CMM4 (or SyncPipe Deluxe w/Gig Injector) if not as robust? If all POPs are sync’d with same Up/Dn ratio and max cell distance and they’re talking to the same birds, is it pretty much the same? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip
[AFMUG] Cambium Open House at WISPAPALOOZA
Hi Everyone, The time for our event on Monday the 13th is from 4 - 6:30. If you are already registered, you do not need to sign up again. If not, you can register at http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispapalooza_openhouse. Also, If you would like to schedule a private detailed technical meeting with one of our Technical Managers at WISPAPALOOZA, you can do that at http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispa2014meeting . For newbies who have not yet worked with ePMP, we are offering you the opportunity to connect an ePMP AP (with GPS Synchronization) and SM in 15 minutes and take them home. You can enter for the contest at http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/epmp-contest-2 . See you at WISPAPALOOZA! Ray
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Redhat has released an updated patch this morning. yum update again. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
[AFMUG] Interesting article on Broadband Stimulus
What's also interesting is how they tried to charge an excessive amount of money to get all the data under FOIA. http://www.techpolicyinstitute.org/files/rosston_wallsten_the_broadband_ stimulus.pdf Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail
IMAP From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Do you have the accounts set up as POP3 or IMAP in the windows live mail client? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+xorex63list=gmail@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail I used windows live mail client with several gmail accounts. I can drag and drop emails into other local folders, I can backup I can do anything I want just like it is a non gmail account. From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Migrating Exede Gmail account to vanilla Gmail Exede has its hooks into people who lack the will or technical sophistication to change email accounts. Exede email is currently “Gmail powered” using the usern...@exede.net domain name. It is 100% Gmail but additionally branded as “Exede”. So first question. Will Exede cancel the person’s “exede gmail” email account when they cancel their satellite service? I assume this is not a “free” Gmail account so I expect the answer will be ‘yes’. If so, what is the best way to migrate stored data such as historical email to a vanilla usern...@gmail.com account? Confusion reigns due to the auto log-in feature of Chrome as some users can’t understand the difference between a browser log-in and an email log-in and an Exede web site log-in since they all use the same email @exede.net email address as the username and the browser “handles” this for them. PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
The customer is having real issues, so I don't think it's a matter of how pings are handled compared to other traffic. There's also pretty much zero load on any of this stuff. You see this with Ciscos all the time, because pings are handled at the process level rather than the interrupt level.� I would suspect the Mikrotik of something similar, but since MT is linux-based, AFAIK all pings are handled in the kernel at interrupt level.� But that's just a guess, so perhaps MT is handling the pings at the process level for some reason. On 09/25/2014 03:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: I�ve seen that before, but not with fiber anywhere. � My current deployments with RB2011 don�t show this and it�s similar to your setup. � � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+sterling=avative@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik � So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay.� Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort.� If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second.� I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it.� Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it.� The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one).� The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue.� I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time.� Anybody? P.S.:� I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday.� Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole? !DSPAM:2,542496be61881139814307!
[AFMUG] RJ11
What is a good price and vendor for RJ11 plugs these days?
Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE
Gillbert, hit me off-list, I don't get your email address in the mailing list anymore .. dmburg...@linktechs.net Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I see all this discussion on CCR and not running BGP on it. I run full tables with 2 external peers on my CCRs with no issue (1 has been up for 240 days and the other 367 days running 6.2 and 6.4 software releases). I am not terminating PPPoE on the devices. You guys are scaring me now. What would you recommend for an x86 product to handle about 800Mbps of traffic with at least 2 external BGP peers and full routes? I see all these products that have atom processors, but that does not see large enough. I was hoping I could find something with Xeon processors. Gilbert On 9/25/2014 9:58 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: For the moment, anything with more than 1 full bgp feed really should be a x86 product, in v7 that may change, but the limited CPU for BGP in the CCRs is a major factor in our designs for our customers. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE I'm a bit confused. What symptoms did you see with your routers? What I got from Chris' description was that the CCR caused his Edge router to bomb. Replacing the CCR didn't fix the problem until they rebooted the Edge router. Did your routers cause other routers to degrade or crash? I'm not sure about there being an issue with 6.19 on the CCR but I can tell you that we saw a similar situation with a CCR that had 6.17 (or possibly older, not sure when we updated it) recently. I would suspect that he's having an issue with BGP on the CCR. In our case, the CCR had 2 full BGP tables, PPPOE and OSPF on it. It took down one of the BGP peers on the Edge router (PowerRouter V3 in our case). I disabled the BGP peer on the Edge for about 5 minutes and everything worked happily. When I started it back up, everything was fine until it randomly happened again. We then shut down the BGP link between the PowerRouter and the CCR. The CCR does not seem to be able to handle more than one BGP table if it's doing anything else. Another CCR seems to be happy as an edge router with 2 full tables on it. It's not doing any other function though and we are in process of ordering an x86 replacement. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE No, our needs are much simpler but we saw similar issues on 5 routers from 750's to 1100's. Went back to 6.15 and haven't had a problem in 3 weeks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Rory, thanks for your reply. Is your setup fairly similar to ours? PPPoE, Accounting, and BGP all done by the Mikrotik? How many sessions do you have and what kind of throughput? Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE On the older routers, we went back to 6.15 and things have been rock solid. We saw similar problems with 6.19. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE Have you tried taking down the BGP session on the Edge router for a couple minutes and then restart it? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+james=litewire@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] CCR-1036 fun with PPPoE CCR-1036 running RouterOS 6.19 After some serious amounts of testing, we felt
Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
business customers are initially built onto the residential infrastructure, DIA customers for the most part get private links from the start. If the subscription on the residential infrastructure impacts the business customers, they get moved to private links. As long as the rate wasnt listed as a CIR, but was selected as commercial, how does the FCC handle that. The only ones listed specifically with CIR are rates currently sold. Foliage and terrain aside, when we did our brodband mapping, we actually did two maps with them, one with our residentail, one with our commercial, to do the commercial we had to be more specific and we had to make sure we had the equipment on hand to deploy within 7 days or whatever the timeframe was. now home based businesses, I dont even know what thats considered. Im assuming being safe is better than being sorry. Our coverage area is being contested anyway by one of those big outfits that contests everything Or am I wrong and the FCC is going to come at us the other way saying we are under reporting by not placing those residential users that have the marketed business plans in the consumer subscription ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In your case, and please correct me if I’m mistaken, you are running both plans off the same infrastructure with oversell part of the business plan. If you are selling commercial, I don’t think 477 doesn’t take this into account. You could have 100 people on an AP with a true 60Mbps and advertise 60Mbps. If the other 99 people are asleep, you can meet those numbers. In my case, I have separate infrastructure for all businesses with nobody else on the AP (effectively PTP at this time). That will change when 802.11ac comes out and we can deliver more bandwidth than the current 802.11 equipment with stable firmware can deliver (802.11ac is not quite ready for prime time). My opinion is that when we get APs that can handle 150-300Mbps and has other features that will help in suburban and city environments, that changes and I have more options for economic reasons. That’s also why we are building out our infrastructure knowing that kind of equipment will be coming out so we can be ready for that expansion. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 8:00 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential The issue thats pushing this is that I have been telling the boss for years to quit putting residential accounts on business plans, create a residential rate with the same speeds. (legitimate business users get more speed, and priority service, as a trade off most (not all) businesses have a different demand, they prioritize business related bandwith demands over netflix and latency reliant videogaming, and they tend to have a peak usage pattern during business hours which for the most part is a different time frame than residential peaks. They also tend to just want the bandwidth available when they need it and dont sustain full capacity, and if they do, most businesses see the DIA with CIR as a justified expense. putting residential users into the business plans just so they can stream more netflix and torrent more bootleg games just muddles things up. our advertising, web site, and marketing material differentiate the plans as business(commercial) and residential (consumer). So when doing the 477, as I understand the rules, since its marketed as a business service, I put the business plans as commercial even though there are residential consumers in the mix. The only rates that I checked CIR were the DIA plans. This was through the powercode export tool, so Im not certain what it does with the plans selected as commercial but without CIR. Now the boss is questioning that decision. I told him Im not going to file falsely with the FCC, I dont know what the ramifications of that would be if I were caught filing false info knowlegably, I just know im not risking being the guy they make an example out of. The simple solution would be to just listen to me and segregate the plans legitimately. Im I misinterpreting the rules here, everything I have read says to base it off the marketing not the deployment, and if we did tag the business plans as residential, what happens regarding the business customers listed in those tracts? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Pretty much. It’s about integrity, not the perception of integrity. I decided not to oversell business services at this point but that may change when we get more infrastructure in. There are enough low-cost options for businesses that it’s just not profitable. Better to go after the customers that are willing to pay more for a better guaranteed service. We are finding, based on orders, that many
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
+1 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2014 at 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Strangely enough, I've had the opposite experience with reliability. I've had more mysterious deaths from sync injectors.haven't had a CMM failure in years. You really prefer the CMM? I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing sync, losing power, dying. It seems to me like the sync injectors are a fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of product. They just keep on working. I actually prefer the cheaper version that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Simon, is the powercode centos vulnerable? Does it matter the ports that are exposed, we have a couple DNS servers running but only DNS is opened through the external firewall Is there a vulnerability scanner available for morons like me? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Redhat has released an updated patch this morning. yum update again. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Hi Adam, There may have been a miscommunication. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, Sriram -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question That's different from what I was told in Albany. The front/back setting does something? Regarding the “Front Sector” and “Back Sector” settings recommended in the doc (and User Guide), you will have to follow that. That is part of the magic sauce in ePMP that make GPS sync work on this platform.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik
interesting thought. I have been bit by flow control more times than I care to remember. See if you have any Tx or Rx pause frame counters on either or both ends. If not that then I would suggest a hardware issue of some kind, maybe a failing SFP module. On 9/26/2014 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote: The customer is having real issues, so I don't think it's a matter of how pings are handled compared to other traffic.� There's also pretty much zero load on any of this stuff. You see this with Ciscos all the time, because pings are handled at the process level rather than the interrupt level.� I would suspect the Mikrotik of something similar, but since MT is linux-based, AFAIK all pings are handled in the kernel at interrupt level.� But that's just a guess, so perhaps MT is handling the pings at the process level for some reason. On 09/25/2014 03:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: I�ve seen that before, but not with fiber anywhere. � My current deployments with RB2011 don�t show this and it�s similar to your setup. � � *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+sterling=avative@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik-tik-tik-tik � So I've got several setups like this: CCR - SFP - Fiber - SFP - RB2011 sometimes pinging the RB2011 I can see this once per second delay.� Those pings are at an interval of .2 seconds (ping -i .02) so you can see the delay on every 5th packet corresponds to a once per second tick of some sort.� If I vary the interval, the tick still occurs every one second.� I have multiple installations that do this, and multiples that don'tand I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it.� Connected to one CCR on SFP2 I have an RB2011 that has the symptom, and then I made a virtually identical installation on SFP3 that doesn't do it.� The only thing different is the IP addresses and the length of the fiber (3 feet on the good one, a couple thousand feet on the bad one).� The delay varies anywhere from a few ms to upwards of a hundred ms, and when it's high it affects VoIP so it is a real issue.� I have a few more combinations of things to test, but I wonder if somebody has seen this already who can save me a ton of time.� Anybody? P.S.:� I emailed supp...@mikrotik.com mailto:supp...@mikrotik.com yesterday.� Do they eventually respond or is it a blackhole? !DSPAM:2,542496be61881139814307!
[AFMUG] And another reason CenturyLink stinks
We have an issue that requires a Level 2 technician. Unfortunately, the only inane process that CenturyLink has in place is that a Level 1 technician can only trade instant messaging with a Level 2 technician. I don't know who thinks that is a good policy but it's why we are having our customer drop them and go to Cable. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And another reason CenturyLink stinks
But wait, there's more. It's outsourced to India. The hits just keep on coming. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And another reason CenturyLink stinks We have an issue that requires a Level 2 technician. Unfortunately, the only inane process that CenturyLink has in place is that a Level 1 technician can only trade instant messaging with a Level 2 technician. I don't know who thinks that is a good policy but it's why we are having our customer drop them and go to Cable. Rory
[AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
Do the locoM5 or NSM5 legally operate in the the USA in the 5.2ghz band? What about 5.4ghz band? Need a short cheap hop that wont interfere with some other gear.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
Yes. They work great in that mode. rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Do the locoM5 or NSM5 legally operate in the the USA in the 5.2ghz band? What about 5.4ghz band? Need a short cheap hop that wont interfere with some other gear.
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Which distribution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:42:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edg erouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side n ote: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: blockquote PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [ mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/ /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
Do the work on 5.2 or just 5.4? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes. They work great in that mode. rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Do the locoM5 or NSM5 legally operate in the the USA in the 5.2ghz band? What about 5.4ghz band? Need a short cheap hop that wont interfere with some other gear.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
http://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-nanostation-nsm5-1262.html Just get a couple and find out. Who doesn't have some on the shelf for one-off projects? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:00:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Do the work on 5.2 or just 5.4? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes. They work great in that mode. rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Do the locoM5 or NSM5 legally operate in the the USA in the 5.2ghz band? What about 5.4ghz band? Need a short cheap hop that wont interfere with some other gear.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
Hahaha. I elect you as the new AFMUG Welcome Wagon Representative. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Both. Do you live under a rock? :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/26/2014 09:00 AM, Matt via Af wrote: Do the work on 5.2 or just 5.4? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Yes. They work great in that mode. rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands Do the locoM5 or NSM5 legally operate in the the USA in the 5.2ghz band? What about 5.4ghz band? Need a short cheap hop that wont interfere with some other gear.
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
On 9/26/14, 10:03, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Both. Do you live under a rock? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEb8JSvzdc
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands
*nods* I've posted that commercial a few times in response to someone that should know better not knowing something that's common place. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:10:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 5.4 and 5.2ghz Bands On 9/26/14, 10:03, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: Both. Do you live under a rock? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEb8JSvzdc
Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
Whatever you submit is wrong. Just accept it. Everybody else's is also wrongfor one reason or another and depending who's perspective we're looking from. Just do the best you can. business customers are initially built onto the residential infrastructure, DIA customers for the most part get private links from the start. If the subscription on the residential infrastructure impacts the business customers, they get moved to private links. As long as the rate wasnt listed as a CIR, but was selected as commercial, how does the FCC handle that. The only ones listed specifically with CIR are rates currently sold. Foliage and terrain aside, when we did our brodband mapping, we actually did two maps with them, one with our residentail, one with our commercial, to do the commercial we had to be more specific and we had to make sure we had the equipment on hand to deploy within 7 days or whatever the timeframe was. now home based businesses, I dont even know what thats considered. Im assuming being safe is better than being sorry. Our coverage area is being contested anyway by one of those big outfits that contests everything Or am I wrong and the FCC is going to come at us the other way saying we are under reporting by not placing those residential users that have the marketed business plans in the consumer subscription ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: In your case, and please correct me if I’m mistaken, you are running both plans off the same infrastructure with oversell part of the business plan. If you are selling commercial, I don’t think 477 doesn’t take this into account. You could have 100 people on an AP with a true 60Mbps and advertise 60Mbps. If the other 99 people are asleep, you can meet those numbers. In my case, I have separate infrastructure for all businesses with nobody else on the AP (effectively PTP at this time). That will change when 802.11ac comes out and we can deliver more bandwidth than the current 802.11 equipment with stable firmware can deliver (802.11ac is not quite ready for prime time). My opinion is that when we get APs that can handle 150-300Mbps and has other features that will help in suburban and city environments, that changes and I have more options for economic reasons. That’s also why we are building out our infrastructure knowing that kind of equipment will be coming out so we can be ready for that expansion. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory mailto:af-bounces%2Brory=triadwireless@afmug.com mailto:triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 8:00 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential The issue thats pushing this is that I have been telling the boss for years to quit putting residential accounts on business plans, create a residential rate with the same speeds. (legitimate business users get more speed, and priority service, as a trade off most (not all) businesses have a different demand, they prioritize business related bandwith demands over netflix and latency reliant videogaming, and they tend to have a peak usage pattern during business hours which for the most part is a different time frame than residential peaks. They also tend to just want the bandwidth available when they need it and dont sustain full capacity, and if they do, most businesses see the DIA with CIR as a justified expense. putting residential users into the business plans just so they can stream more netflix and torrent more bootleg games just muddles things up. our advertising, web site, and marketing material differentiate the plans as business(commercial) and residential (consumer). So when doing the 477, as I understand the rules, since its marketed as a business service, I put the business plans as commercial even though there are residential consumers in the mix. The only rates that I checked CIR were the DIA plans. This was through the powercode export tool, so Im not certain what it does with the plans selected as commercial but without CIR. Now the boss is questioning that decision. I told him Im not going to file falsely with the FCC, I dont know what the ramifications of that would be if I were caught filing false info knowlegably, I just know im not risking being the guy they make an example out of. The simple solution would be to just listen to me and segregate the plans legitimately. Im I misinterpreting the rules here, everything I have read says to base it off the marketing not the deployment, and if we did tag the business plans as residential, what happens regarding the business customers listed in those tracts? On Fri, Sep
Re: [AFMUG] DDoS via Dlink DIR-655 router?
Could be a part of the bash-exploit botnet that's going around. (Yes, this could affect home routers as well) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/26/2014 09:41 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Got a report from someone that had traced a DDoS attack coming from one of our subscribers. It claimed the IP was going out on port 1900 to various and sundry IPs as part of a distributed attack. I ran a torch on the IP, and sure enough, a bunch of connections were going out on port 1900. Talked to the customer, and eliminated all their PCs/phones/etc. one by one, at which point it was only their Dlink router connected to the net. Turning it off stopped the outbound traffic. Just to be sure, we re-connected the customer's wired PC, and no traffic. So at this point, it appears that there was some sort of malware loaded on their Dlink. It's a DIR-655. Anyone else seeing this? Seen it? Other comments?
[AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] DDoS via Dlink DIR-655 router?
We received that notice as well (we sell the routers to customers so plenty on our network). Updating to latest firmware seems to fix. Most of the routers we have sold are Revision B and the latest firmware is 2.11NA. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+tim=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DDoS via Dlink DIR-655 router? Could be a part of the bash-exploit botnet that's going around. (Yes, this could affect home routers as well) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 09/26/2014 09:41 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Got a report from someone that had traced a DDoS attack coming from one of our subscribers.� It claimed the IP was going out on port 1900 to various and sundry IPs as part of a distributed attack. I ran a torch on the IP, and sure enough, a bunch of connections were going out on port 1900. Talked to the customer, and eliminated all their PCs/phones/etc. one by one, at which point it was only their Dlink router connected to the net. Turning it off stopped the outbound traffic.� Just to be sure, we re-connected the customer's wired PC, and no traffic. So at this point, it appears that there was some sort of malware loaded on their Dlink.�� It's a DIR-655. Anyone else seeing this?� Seen it?� Other comments?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
It doesn't. He either ran it multiple times on the same map and selected different AP's each time, or he imported the different maps into some other software to make the composite image. Sorry, I asked a very vague question. I know how to create a Cartesian coverage map. What setting does a different color per AP? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Click the “Cartesian Radio Coverage” button. You may have to make it visible in Options. *From:* Matt Jenkins via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Jeremy, You said you create these maps with a cartesian in RM. What setting does this? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 07:07 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af wrote: Okay, I’ll try just embedding the image: *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Grip via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90°and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? *From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* That One Guy via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp ) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram *From:*Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com mailto:af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question the APs come with an antenna for GPS, but its never been clear to me whether there is also an
Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency Notice they are saying vertical here.. standoffs are not involved.. They are trying to ensure that one radio in RX mode does not see the TX energy of the other radio.. if they are sync'd these rules should not be necessary.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential
I’m sure things will change later on the next filing .. L Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential Whatever you submit is wrong. Just accept it. Everybody else's is also wrongfor one reason or another and depending who's perspective we're looking from. Just do the best you can. business customers are initially built onto the residential infrastructure, DIA customers for the most part get private links from the start. If the subscription on the residential infrastructure impacts the business customers, they get moved to private links. As long as the rate wasnt listed as a CIR, but was selected as commercial, how does the FCC handle that. The only ones listed specifically with CIR are rates currently sold. Foliage and terrain aside, when we did our brodband mapping, we actually did two maps with them, one with our residentail, one with our commercial, to do the commercial we had to be more specific and we had to make sure we had the equipment on hand to deploy within 7 days or whatever the timeframe was. now home based businesses, I dont even know what thats considered. Im assuming being safe is better than being sorry. Our coverage area is being contested anyway by one of those big outfits that contests everything Or am I wrong and the FCC is going to come at us the other way saying we are under reporting by not placing those residential users that have the marketed business plans in the consumer subscription ? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: In your case, and please correct me if I’m mistaken, you are running both plans off the same infrastructure with oversell part of the business plan. If you are selling commercial, I don’t think 477 doesn’t take this into account. You could have 100 people on an AP with a true 60Mbps and advertise 60Mbps. If the other 99 people are asleep, you can meet those numbers. In my case, I have separate infrastructure for all businesses with nobody else on the AP (effectively PTP at this time). That will change when 802.11ac comes out and we can deliver more bandwidth than the current 802.11 equipment with stable firmware can deliver (802.11ac is not quite ready for prime time). My opinion is that when we get APs that can handle 150-300Mbps and has other features that will help in suburban and city environments, that changes and I have more options for economic reasons. That’s also why we are building out our infrastructure knowing that kind of equipment will be coming out so we can be ready for that expansion. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory mailto:af-bounces%2Brory =triadwireless@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 commercial/residential The issue thats pushing this is that I have been telling the boss for years to quit putting residential accounts on business plans, create a residential rate with the same speeds. (legitimate business users get more speed, and priority service, as a trade off most (not all) businesses have a different demand, they prioritize business related bandwith demands over netflix and latency reliant videogaming, and they tend to have a peak usage pattern during business hours which for the most part is a different time frame than residential peaks. They also tend to just want the bandwidth available when they need it and dont sustain full capacity, and if they do, most businesses see the DIA with CIR as a justified expense. putting residential users into the business plans just so they can stream more netflix and torrent more bootleg games just muddles things up. our advertising, web site, and marketing material differentiate the plans as business(commercial) and residential (consumer). So when doing the 477, as I understand the rules, since its marketed as a business service, I put the business plans as commercial even though there are residential consumers in the mix. The only rates that I checked CIR were the DIA plans. This was through the powercode export tool, so Im not certain what it does with the plans selected as commercial but without CIR. Now the boss is questioning that decision. I told him Im not going to file falsely with the FCC, I dont know what the ramifications of that would be if I were caught filing false info knowlegably, I just know im not risking being the guy they make an example out of.
Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
Yeah, my question was just about the stand-offs only From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc. have at least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency Notice they are saying vertical here.. standoffs are not involved.. They are trying to ensure that one radio in RX mode does not see the TX energy of the other radio.. if they are sync'd these rules should not be necessary.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.comhttp://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I believe the CMMmicro (CMM3) was the only CMM that contained hub/switches. Everything else was passthrough. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
CMM4 is available with or without a switch. I believe the CMMmicro (CMM3) was the only CMM that contained hub/switches. Everything else was passthrough. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
A couple pints and a wife. Life is good. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+chris=velociter@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
[AFMUG] Canopy 9000SMC value
Does anyone still use these? Are they worth anything? I have two working pulls. Also have an MTI wireless MT-263006/N 12.5dB panel antenna if anyone is interested http://www.mtiwe.com/?CategoryID=281ArticleID=318 -JR
[AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:03 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:07 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. Cheers
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:03 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:07 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. Cheers
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
I will try loading the beta as soon as I get my dump from the AP. I phoned in and created a support case as well. I tried to run the gather support info and I get the following. Launching: java -cp C:\Canopy\NetworkUpdater\tools\CNUTSupportInfoTool.jar null Start Time: September 26, 2014 2:04:34 PM PDT java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: null Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: null at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source) Could not find the main class: null. Program will exit. Exception in thread main Tool Complete with exit status:1 End Time: September 26, 2014 2:04:35 PM He also said I would be getting an email with information about submitting the dump and I haven't got that either. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider= cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet
Re: [AFMUG] 477 filing - delayed?
man, i got mine in right under the gun On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Get it in now, but oh wait there is an issue. Dennis Burgess, Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+dmburgess=linktechs@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 2:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 477 filing - delayed? The Form 477 filing interface is temporarily unavailable. We have identified an issue that developed on September 25, 2014 and are working to fix the problem and reopen the site as soon as possible. We apologize for the inconvenience https://apps2.fcc.gov/ -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I want to add my 0.02 Every current generation packetflux product is warranted from all failures regardless of the cause. Lightning. Water. Random failures. And so on. Pretty much everything shipped within the last three or so years falls under this. Heck, we even pay round trip shipping in the U.S. I WANT to see them back. Every one is specifically analyzed for the cause of the failure and if I see more than a couple failures of a specific cause then I make changes to address them. As a specific example, rev c injectors often came back with a specific trace blown on the bottom of the board. We determined that this was being blown by the energy from lightning strikes using that particular path to ground in systems where the dc power plant was grounded. Although the trace was far bigger than was needed for normal use, the thousands of amps of a lightning strike was too much for it. A change to the board layout has eliminated that failure mode. I could name other similar issues which have been taken care of as a result of failure analysis. The current rev injectors pretty much only come back with either severe widespread lightning damage from direct strikes (rare) or damage from water ingress through the cables (far more often), both of which are problems which one could argue aren't really my problem, but I'm still looking for solutions. On Sep 26, 2014 8:54 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Strangely enough, I've had the opposite experience with reliability. I've had more mysterious deaths from sync injectors.haven't had a CMM failure in years. You really prefer the CMM? I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing sync, losing power, dying. It seems to me like the sync injectors are a fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of product. They just keep on working. I actually prefer the cheaper version that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
That is correct. One should also note that there are no cmm products which do gigabit Ethernet. The cmm4 can be purchased with a Ethernet switch but it's a separate unit. On Sep 26, 2014 2:36 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I believe the CMMmicro (CMM3) was the only CMM that contained hub/switches. Everything else was passthrough. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
Seeing -237 and such VC counts on the first page of 5.4 450 APs. Other types seem to count correctly. 13.2B30 Allen Sent from my Ranch Phone On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:03 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:07 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. Cheers
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
I met Doc a couple years ago at a music conference He still plays regularly, has a beautiful, much younger wife and is still quite the character ! [https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/p417x417/471835_3947161194611_1355780645_o.jpg] From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
That can be ignored and is fixed already. It has no bearing on operation, just a display issue. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of RanchBoss via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding Seeing -237 and such VC counts on the first page of 5.4 450 APs. Other types seem to count correctly. 13.2B30 Allen Sent from my Ranch Phone On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:03 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:07 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. Cheers
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
Forwarding this on, someone should be in touch if they haven’t already. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding I will try loading the beta as soon as I get my dump from the AP. I phoned in and created a support case as well. I tried to run the gather support info and I get the following. Launching: java -cp C:\Canopy\NetworkUpdater\tools\CNUTSupportInfoTool.jar null Start Time: September 26, 2014 2:04:34 PM PDT java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: null Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: null at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source) Could not find the main class: null. Program will exit. Exception in thread main Tool Complete with exit status:1 End Time: September 26, 2014 2:04:35 PM He also said I would be getting an email with information about submitting the dump and I haven't got that either. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneidermailto:af-bounces%2Baaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.commailto:cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core :
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
6plus not a phone that's a tablet— Sent from Mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding
Thank you. Sent from my Ranch Phone On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That can be ignored and is fixed already. It has no bearing on operation, just a display issue. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of RanchBoss via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding Seeing -237 and such VC counts on the first page of 5.4 450 APs. Other types seem to count correctly. 13.2B30 Allen Sent from my Ranch Phone On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Ryan – While I can’t say for certain what caused the Ethernet Core to get stuck, there are two things in 13.2 that will help with this. First off, there was a bug in this reporting mechanism that wasn’t allowing a recovery to take place. That recovery should have been an AP reboot but the logging itself was preventing that. Secondly, for PMP450, in 13.2, there were architectural changes made such that this type of a problem can’t happen anymore. Those changes are related to the speed improvements gained with the 13.2 release on PMP450. PMP430 could still be susceptible to this type of a condition, but the first point I mentioned will correct the recovery in that it won’t let the device sit there unresponsive, it will reset itself if it gets stuck in this kind of condition. Please try the 13.2 Build 30 beta if you can. We are close to the 13.2 general release. Regards, -Aaron From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+aaron.schneider=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 AP stopped responding About 30 minutes ago I had a 2.4 AP loaded on 13.1.3 just quit responding. CTM said there was still normal power draw, link was up up on the cisco switch with no errors. No traffic. Reset the port from the CTM and it came back. I have another AP up there right beside it on the same software that I haven't seen issues yet. Anyone ever seen this before? I saw this on the bootup log. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 01:18:10 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : : Bridge Core : Time Set 12/31/2010 : 17:00:00 PDT : Bridge Core : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Software Version : CANOPY 13.1.3 AP-DES Board Type : P12 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2460.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 4 FPGA Version : 011514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI; 12/31/2010 : 17:00:24 PDT : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/25/2014 : 15:03:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Time Set 09/26/2014 : 13:10:02 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:05 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:09 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:12 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:16 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:27 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:31 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:34 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:38 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:42 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:49 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:52 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:10:56 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:03 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. 09/26/2014 : 13:11:07 PDT : : Bridge Core : Ethernet Core failing to report. Cheers
Re: [AFMUG] DDoS via Dlink DIR-655 router?
This is related to SSDP / UPNP and is a UDP amplification attack similar to the DNS and SNMP UDP attacks. Basically someone forges an IP source on a udp packet and sends it to port 1900 on the router and the router sends some larger amount of data back to the forged ip. This port should not be enabled on the WAN interface, the router should only be listening on the WAN, but it appears several vendors have this issue. There may be a firmware patch, or turning of UPNP may fix the issue. The shadowservers reports will give you reports of open UDP ports on your network that can be used for amplification attacks. https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php/Involve/GetReportsOnYourNetwork ~Duncan On 9/26/2014 10:41 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Got a report from someone that had traced a DDoS attack coming from one of our subscribers. It claimed the IP was going out on port 1900 to various and sundry IPs as part of a distributed attack. I ran a torch on the IP, and sure enough, a bunch of connections were going out on port 1900. Talked to the customer, and eliminated all their PCs/phones/etc. one by one, at which point it was only their Dlink router connected to the net. Turning it off stopped the outbound traffic. Just to be sure, we re-connected the customer's wired PC, and no traffic. So at this point, it appears that there was some sort of malware loaded on their Dlink. It's a DIR-655. Anyone else seeing this? Seen it? Other comments?
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
Don't you mean phablet? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 04:34 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: 6plus not a phone that's a tablet — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular Electricity Meter
Criminoly! They're putting public IPs on SmartMeters?!? How clever is that? bp On 9/26/2014 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: These are the new wireless meters El Paso Electric is deploying for commercial users. Verizon is carrier and IP is right there Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
I would call it a phablet. 5.5 sure ain't no tablet, but just barely bigger than a decent sized phone. 5 fits in either a front or back pocket (for me), and is a really nice usable size. One-handing most stuff works just fine for me. bp On 9/26/2014 4:45 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: Don't you mean phablet? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 04:34 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: 6plus not a phone that's a tablet — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular Electricity Meter
Unbelievable. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Criminoly! They're putting public IPs on SmartMeters?!? How clever is that? bp On 9/26/2014 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: These are the new wireless meters El Paso Electric is deploying for commercial users. Verizon is carrier and IP is right there Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cellular Electricity Meter
Totally believable. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 09/26/2014 04:08 PM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote: Unbelievable. Robbie Wright Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com 541-902-5101 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Criminoly! They're putting public IPs on SmartMeters?!? How clever is that? bp On 9/26/2014 4:31 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: These are the new wireless meters El Paso Electric is deploying for commercial users. Verizon is carrier and IP is right there Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Man I bet theres some guy whose been exploiting this for 20 years who is pissed right now On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS on some, Ubuntu on others. Already got the answers in this thread though, thanks. -Ty On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Which distribution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:42:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltdwww.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207-pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Looking for used link
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I should add that all of the APs, as well as the “mobile unit” need to be in the same “network”. Jeremy From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question It doesn't. He either ran it multiple times on the same map and selected different AP's each time, or he imported the different maps into some other software to make the composite image. Sorry, I asked a very vague question. I know how to create a Cartesian coverage map. What setting does a different color per AP? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Click the “Cartesian Radio Coverage” button. You may have to make it visible in Options. From: Matt Jenkins via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Jeremy, You said you create these maps with a cartesian in RM. What setting does this? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 07:07 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af wrote: Okay, I’ll try just embedding the image: From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM To: That One Guy via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the installation to get better LOS to the sky. There are a couple of documents on our support site (https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp ) you can read through that will help answer questions about ABAB deployment using ePMP. Thanks, Sriram _ From: Af af-bounces+sriram.chaturvedi=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com on behalf of That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
does that mean i shouldnt have robbed the housing from the syncbox that got fried a few weeks ago by lightning and sent it to you for free loot? BTW, that housing is ideal for putting splitters inside of, how much for just the box with no sync? On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I should add that all of the APs, as well as the “mobile unit” need to be in the same “network”. Jeremy *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 2:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question It doesn't. He either ran it multiple times on the same map and selected different AP's each time, or he imported the different maps into some other software to make the composite image. Sorry, I asked a very vague question. I know how to create a Cartesian coverage map. What setting does a different color per AP? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Click the “Cartesian Radio Coverage” button. You may have to make it visible in Options. *From:* Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Jeremy, You said you create these maps with a cartesian in RM. What setting does this? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 07:07 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af wrote: Okay, I’ll try just embedding the image: *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Grip via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* That One Guy via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled once you connect the external GPS antenna (and auto enables when you disconnect the external antenna). If you think the radio itself doesn't have clear LOS to the sky, then you can use the external antenna and place it elsewhere on the
