Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
And don’t forget a separate config for sitemonitor base version 1 versus version 2. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:28 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break? Most people end up with a set of three or four configurations. Ie sitemonitor plus a injector is one configuration, a sitemonitor by itself is another one. If you put the modules you don't ever monitor at the end of the list then you can reuse configurations. Ie, a sitemonitor and syncinjector is the same as a sitemonitor, syncinjector, and Poe as far as monitoring goes. On Oct 25, 2014 1:06 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: OK. I think I have an approach. The SiteMonitor plus all its expansion units is not the device. The device is the SiteMonitor plus the index of the expansion unit. For example: * SiteMonitor, index 0 is the SiteMonitor device * SiteMonitor, index 1 is the 4-port POE device * SiteMonitor, index 2 is the SyncInjector (first instance) * SiteMonitor, index 3 is the SyncInjector (second instance) and so on. So when you add a SiteMonitor, you just add the SiteMonitor. If you add another Packetflux expansion unit, you have to add it knowing which index (AKA slot) it is. Put the device in a different position, and you need to update the index. bp On 10/25/2014 10:52 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Yah. Except that the index moves around, depending on what's in front of it (e.g. 4-port POE versus an 8-port POE). So I can't depend on what index number I'll be using at any given installation. The index name will have to stay static if I ever hope to find it. Then again, if I install two of anything, there will be more than one index with the same description. Hmmm. How to do this. Maybe I do have to give each device a unique description, and then teach cacti to index on the unique description? bp On 10/25/2014 10:16 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: They should be offset by a fixed amount. Ie subtract 4 On Oct 25, 2014 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think that may be it. The OID I was using is no longer valid. So the SNMP response that came back had numbers in it, but it also looks like the checksum was broken. Not clear to me why I thought I could do this without doing the index thing. I hate doing the index thing. bp On 10/24/2014 10:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: A power cycle and a reboot should be identical in almost every case. The reboot actually triggers a hardware reset internally in the processor, which should clear everything out. Of course as soon as I say that it is identical, someone will find an example where it is not. I'm not where I can look at the trace you sent, but I'm surprised it contains errors. I do know that the unit will return a response which may look like this if the oid is invalid. Did you adjust your oids in cacti after the removal of the mystery expansion unit from the table? If not, this is likely the problem. In regards to the unit being there grin the factory.. My guess is if you had this unit listed in there from the get go, then it probably was the expansion unit we use to test the expansion bus here. It's supposed to be factory reset before shipping but it would not shock me if it wasn't. We actually had a short period that a largish percentage went out not factory reset due to a tester software issue. Not really a problem but we hate to have them go out in any other state. On Oct 24, 2014 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean from the web GUI?� Sure. I presume a power cycle does something different from a reboot? I was always curious about this particular SiteMonitor, as it came up with the extra device on the expansion bus from the get-go.� I'd never worried about it, and then I saw the discussion about getting rid of old devices with the zeroed-serial trick. Don't go there!� It's a trap! bp On 10/24/2014 2:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Can you post a screenshot of your expansion, binary and analog tabs? Also, I bet if you power-cycle it, it will be fine again. I was working with Forrest on a bug where the SyncInjector and some other newer modules would mysteriously disappear from the bus. He was able to reproduce and get a fixed up firmware load for the modules. Something about one thing booting up faster than another, or something like that. On 10/24/2014 4:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Gotcha! I removed all the Data Sources except one (PWR1).� Suddenly that data was making it into cacti. Then I added back in all the Data Sources coming _JUST_ from the SiteMonitor itself.� That also worked. Then I added in one of the Data Sources from the SyncInjector (sync events), which happens to be the only unit on the
Re: [AFMUG] Odd switch question - CX4 to SFP+ direct attach copper cable?
Not having any direct experience, but a quick Google search yielded: http://www.datastoragecables.com/cx4/CX4-SFP+/ Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 10/25/2014 9:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: Is there a direct attach copper 10Gbps cable that has a CX4 format on one end and SFP+ format on the other end? I want to connect my Dell array with CX4 Ethernet uplink module compatibility to my SFP+ switch port without using optics/conversion. Can't seem to find such a beast, but maybe I'm looking in all the wrong places.
Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
What do you mean? African or European? Jaime Solorza On Oct 26, 2014 1:19 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would agree that, at the moment, OFDM techniques dominate the discussion... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeahbut, it appears QAM has won? Yes? LTE doesn’t have much in common with CDMA anymore. *From:* Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Actually...CDMA techniques (PN modulation) re-channel a band based on time rather than frequency. In a multi point environment, this allows multiple people to share a frequency bandwidth in a not terribly inefficient way when all of the simultaneous communication paths are considered. On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, isochronous pseudorandom noise mod/demod techniques will pull info from sewer. I think the deep space network uses some of those techniques. But PN modulation does not help throughput. It wastes bandwidth. Speed/interference immunity/narrow channels – pick one. *From:* Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail The holy grail would be the ability to modulate a signal and receive it correctly in the face of withering interference. The GPS system accomplishes that through the technique of encoding the data within pseudo noise. The only problem being that GPS data is relatively static compared to what we deal with. bp On 10/25/2014 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I think folks without deep experience in either 1) operating a WISP or 2)without deep experience in electrodynamics and modulation (99.999% of the general population) somehow think that Moore’s Law applies to wireless. The only way to scale this this stuff in a way approximating Moore’s Law is to just keep adding cell/ap sites. I read a book back in 1990 that outlined this problem for the nascent cell phone industry. The book is still spot on. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 11:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Or looky, looky, AC PTMP MU-MIMO. Imagine what that would do for White Space. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can see the elephant.. OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far from 2005 with wireless. Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal to noise requirements. But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half mile range. This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density wireless provider domains. They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... Jaime Solorza On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, Jayson Baker via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone else get this email? Anyone know what it is? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
?We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
What is the latency of an unladen swallow? -Ty On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What do you mean? African or European? Jaime Solorza On Oct 26, 2014 1:19 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would agree that, at the moment, OFDM techniques dominate the discussion... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeahbut, it appears QAM has won? Yes? LTE doesn’t have much in common with CDMA anymore. *From:* Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Actually...CDMA techniques (PN modulation) re-channel a band based on time rather than frequency. In a multi point environment, this allows multiple people to share a frequency bandwidth in a not terribly inefficient way when all of the simultaneous communication paths are considered. On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, isochronous pseudorandom noise mod/demod techniques will pull info from sewer. I think the deep space network uses some of those techniques. But PN modulation does not help throughput. It wastes bandwidth. Speed/interference immunity/narrow channels – pick one. *From:* Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail The holy grail would be the ability to modulate a signal and receive it correctly in the face of withering interference. The GPS system accomplishes that through the technique of encoding the data within pseudo noise. The only problem being that GPS data is relatively static compared to what we deal with. bp On 10/25/2014 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I think folks without deep experience in either 1) operating a WISP or 2)without deep experience in electrodynamics and modulation (99.999% of the general population) somehow think that Moore’s Law applies to wireless. The only way to scale this this stuff in a way approximating Moore’s Law is to just keep adding cell/ap sites. I read a book back in 1990 that outlined this problem for the nascent cell phone industry. The book is still spot on. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 11:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Or looky, looky, AC PTMP MU-MIMO. Imagine what that would do for White Space. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can see the elephant.. OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far from 2005 with wireless. Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal to noise requirements. But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half mile range. This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density wireless provider domains. They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... Jaime Solorza On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, Jayson Baker via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone else get this email? Anyone know what it is? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
Spark is a Jabber client. You could use Trillian or any other Jabber compliant program in front of a Jabber server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:31:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. From: Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
We are all “rough stones rolling” we knock the sharp edges off each other given enough time. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Sidenote: I lack something called soft skills. It may come from having a father with a light case of Aspergers, a southern upbringing, and almost a decade of service in the Army. Probably a shitty trifecta towards developing interpersonal skills. It's not intentional. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are you trying to be annoying, or just succeeding? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Then post the correct formula, IYHO, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 06:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That doesn’t address my complaints about the USE of those formulas. Do you agree that WiFi bits/sec/Hz should be divided by 3 but LTE should not, because of assumptions about frequency reuse? In the context of a WISP application which may use GPS sync? How about assuming one spatial stream for WiFi but 8 for LTE? And what about treating LTE Advanced like a current technology but 802.11ac as a future technology? And 802.11n is capable of more than 1.2 bits/sec/Hz. If the formula disagrees with reality, it’s the formula (or the numbers plugged into the formula) that must change, not reality. It’s not like a Looney Toons cartoon where the character falls to the ground once you point out they can’t walk on air. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters The formulas are at the top of the chart. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 05:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I think those numbers are flawed. Especially dividing the 802.11n numbers by 3 due to “frequency reuse” factor. And using SISO for 802.11n but 8x8 MIMO for LTE. Not to mention using 802.11n and not 802.11ac. Saying 802.11n is only good for 1.2 bits/sec/Hz is saying it can only do 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel. Hogwash. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency 802.11n has a spectral efficiency of around 1.2. LTE advanced has a spectral efficiency of _30_. If we could get some fairly cheap radio chipsets with even a 10-15 in spectral efficiency at this point, we would probably all be incredibly happy. Doing that would likely cause us to (A) Not be compatible with 802.11 (fine by me), and (B) would require mass market adoption. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 02:40 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: That's what I was hoping for but I was told to sit down. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:36:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Perhaps some innovation in improving efficiency? Maybe takes someone thinking outside of the current box(es). bp On 10/26/2014 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I was just going to mention that. Make a clean signal and you don’t have to filter so much. Anyone remember what a Class A amplifier is? (45% efficient at best) Cavity filters? I would think that in this day and age, you ought to be able to go DSP direct to antenna up to a 5 volt p-p signal. Or if you had to use a PA, inject a pre-distortion component. The cable TV guys have been dealing with these issues for decades. And then there is the issue with physical size of filters. A nice filter, with decent response and
Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
No thanks, we've already got one. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is the latency of an unladen swallow? -Ty On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What do you mean? African or European? Jaime Solorza On Oct 26, 2014 1:19 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would agree that, at the moment, OFDM techniques dominate the discussion... On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeahbut, it appears QAM has won? Yes? LTE doesn’t have much in common with CDMA anymore. *From:* Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Actually...CDMA techniques (PN modulation) re-channel a band based on time rather than frequency. In a multi point environment, this allows multiple people to share a frequency bandwidth in a not terribly inefficient way when all of the simultaneous communication paths are considered. On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah, isochronous pseudorandom noise mod/demod techniques will pull info from sewer. I think the deep space network uses some of those techniques. But PN modulation does not help throughput. It wastes bandwidth. Speed/interference immunity/narrow channels – pick one. *From:* Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail The holy grail would be the ability to modulate a signal and receive it correctly in the face of withering interference. The GPS system accomplishes that through the technique of encoding the data within pseudo noise. The only problem being that GPS data is relatively static compared to what we deal with. bp On 10/25/2014 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I think folks without deep experience in either 1) operating a WISP or 2)without deep experience in electrodynamics and modulation (99.999% of the general population) somehow think that Moore’s Law applies to wireless. The only way to scale this this stuff in a way approximating Moore’s Law is to just keep adding cell/ap sites. I read a book back in 1990 that outlined this problem for the nascent cell phone industry. The book is still spot on. *From:* Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 11:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Or looky, looky, AC PTMP MU-MIMO. Imagine what that would do for White Space. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can see the elephant.. OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far from 2005 with wireless. Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios. But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal to noise requirements. But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new features to their fullest in a radio dense environment. When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half mile range. This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work. The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors. I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density wireless provider domains. They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch... Jaime Solorza On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, Jayson Baker via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone else get this email? Anyone know what it is? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
And enough impacts.. lol. -Ty On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are all “rough stones rolling” we knock the sharp edges off each other given enough time. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Sidenote: I lack something called soft skills. It may come from having a father with a light case of Aspergers, a southern upbringing, and almost a decade of service in the Army. Probably a shitty trifecta towards developing interpersonal skills. It's not intentional. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are you trying to be annoying, or just succeeding? *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:14 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Then post the correct formula, IYHO, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 06:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That doesn’t address my complaints about the USE of those formulas. Do you agree that WiFi bits/sec/Hz should be divided by 3 but LTE should not, because of assumptions about frequency reuse? In the context of a WISP application which may use GPS sync? How about assuming one spatial stream for WiFi but 8 for LTE? And what about treating LTE Advanced like a current technology but 802.11ac as a future technology? And 802.11n is capable of more than 1.2 bits/sec/Hz. If the formula disagrees with reality, it’s the formula (or the numbers plugged into the formula) that must change, not reality. It’s not like a Looney Toons cartoon where the character falls to the ground once you point out they can’t walk on air. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters The formulas are at the top of the chart. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 05:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I think those numbers are flawed. Especially dividing the 802.11n numbers by 3 due to “frequency reuse” factor. And using SISO for 802.11n but 8x8 MIMO for LTE. Not to mention using 802.11n and not 802.11ac. Saying 802.11n is only good for 1.2 bits/sec/Hz is saying it can only do 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel. Hogwash. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_efficiency 802.11n has a spectral efficiency of around 1.2. LTE advanced has a spectral efficiency of _30_. If we could get some fairly cheap radio chipsets with even a 10-15 in spectral efficiency at this point, we would probably all be incredibly happy. Doing that would likely cause us to (A) Not be compatible with 802.11 (fine by me), and (B) would require mass market adoption. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 02:40 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: That's what I was hoping for but I was told to sit down. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:36:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Perhaps some innovation in improving efficiency? Maybe takes someone thinking outside of the current box(es). bp On 10/26/2014 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I was just going to mention that. Make a clean signal and you don’t have to filter so much. Anyone remember what a Class A amplifier is? (45% efficient at best) Cavity filters? I would think that in this day and age, you ought to be able to go DSP direct to antenna up to a 5 volt p-p signal. Or if you had to use a PA, inject a pre-distortion component. The cable TV guys have been dealing with these issues for decades. And then there is the issue with physical size of filters. A nice filter, with decent response and low insertion loss is large. SAW
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
That only goes so far. There's a site near here with a huge diesel tank. I don't know the specs of the generator, but it's backup for a 35,000 Watt FM station.so in any case it's very big. I heard they have to run it for 24 hours each month in order to burn enough fuel to make room for fresh fuel so they don't go stale. I'm sure somebody did the math and decided this was worth it, but they must be burning 100 gallons per month for no better reason than to make room for fresh fuel. I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
Yeahbut, your tests are generally once a week for 15 minutes, without load. You might burn a gallon of fuel. If you have a 1500 gallon tank, that is a lot of weeks (28 years...) worth of test runs. Even a 500 gallon tank would last almost 10 years on test runs along. Yes, they come along and top it off a couple of times a year but that does not do much to dilute the bad fuel with new. There are microbes that eat diesel. Not sure if the additives kill them completely or not. It must work because lots of large telecom sites have diesel tanks. I have always been LP or NG if I could get it. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
How useful is a test run without load? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:48:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Yeahbut, your tests are generally once a week for 15 minutes, without load. You might burn a gallon of fuel. If you have a 1500 gallon tank, that is a lot of weeks (28 years...) worth of test runs. Even a 500 gallon tank would last almost 10 years on test runs along. Yes, they come along and top it off a couple of times a year but that does not do much to dilute the bad fuel with new. There are microbes that eat diesel. Not sure if the additives kill them completely or not. It must work because lots of large telecom sites have diesel tanks. I have always been LP or NG if I could get it. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
Half useful. And that half is the less useful half. I like the guys to kill the power and see the whole thing work a couple of times a year. They are always reticent to do so. “Something might not work!” From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question How useful is a test run without load? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:48:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Yeahbut, your tests are generally once a week for 15 minutes, without load. You might burn a gallon of fuel. If you have a 1500 gallon tank, that is a lot of weeks (28 years...) worth of test runs. Even a 500 gallon tank would last almost 10 years on test runs along. Yes, they come along and top it off a couple of times a year but that does not do much to dilute the bad fuel with new. There are microbes that eat diesel. Not sure if the additives kill them completely or not. It must work because lots of large telecom sites have diesel tanks. I have always been LP or NG if I could get it. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
I just started using Slack with one of my clients. Hard to gauge how useful it is since their internal IM volume seems to have diminished after a reorganization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Check slack.com Web based, but also clients available for iOS,mac os, win and android. Includes file sharing and connections to lots of apps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Help ptp650 stuck at 5x5
That's priceless. I think it’s like the “5 second rule”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-second_rule If you ask a group of moms if that’s true, you’ll be met with the same dead silence (and averted eyes). Now turning off someone else’s equipment to see if it’s causing you interference, that’s taking “testing” liberties too far. Which reminds me, I had another WISP do that to me, the funny thing is my equipment never actually went down, because there was a UPS on top of the grain leg, and they flipped the breaker at the bottom. But they said the interference went away while the breaker was off. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:16 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Help ptp650 stuck at 5x5 If you're honest enough that testing doesn't mean permanent to you, then test away and nobody will notice or even care for the short amount of time that you're figuring something out. On 10/26/2014 8:57 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: anybody? testing is still not legal, right? On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Given my recent tyrade about obeying the regulations I know I could have changed what the antenna size is in the GUI and the 5.2 band would have given me more output power to test this link. I knwo it boils down to me being a dick about it, that I dont question. But when it comes down to it, am I correct that we cant even test outside our power restrictions? I know the FCC isnt driving around in vans looking for people overpowering a radio for 20 minutes, its not about getting caught, its about principle. Are we allowed to do temporary things like that for testing purposes? I assume that as a letter of law we would have to have prior approval from the FCC, would we not? (This boils down to CYA over the ass chewing im pretty sure is on the way monday for not doing whatever it takes to get a critical link to full capacity, which I did last year when I specced out and sourced a licensed solution for the path) On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: my cambium guy said there wouldnt be an answer right now, so im packing this up and saying fuck all this noise, im goin drinkin On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I would call support at this point. +1-888-863-5250 tel:%2B1-888-863-5250 Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 03:36 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: yes I did the spectrum is shit, I knew this going into it I unlocket the full throughput eval now its going above 5 but by 5x5 I mean 5.00 x 5.00 with 2:1 1:1 1:2, on every channel, on every channel size not 4.96 x 5.01 flat out 5.00 x 5.00 I have never seen a ptp stay at a single number like that While we were peaking it out it was running up where it was expected aggregate around 19 or something this didnt start until I switched bands I went to 5.4 it was where it was expected for a 10.3 mile link I went to 5.2 when I went here I switched to the biggest channel, thats when it started 5.00 x 5.00 Switched back to 5.8 had to move the transmit power back to 27 from -4 5.00 x 5.00, no matter the channel size Im guessing this is a bug, what im wondering is if it corrupted the generic lite key or something like that when its in the trial it ignores the key anybody know what happens if theres no good key? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Did you Disarm the Installation Agent? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 02:54 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I'm running out of daylight. Has anybody come across this before? Was modulating higher. I switched to 5.4 then 5.2 then back to 5.8 now it won't go above 5x5 on
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
Josh, you say “the formulas are at the top”, and I respond that my complaints are about the USE of the formulas and cite 3 specific complaints about the numbers plugged into the formulas and also my complaint about the result saying 802.11n is only capable of 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel when we know the number is higher (around 75). You respond “then post the correct formula”. The only conclusion I can draw is you didn’t read my post. Which is fine, but why respond to something you didn’t read? The thing about formulas, you can get all sorts of answers plugging in different numbers. The error is usually in the assumptions, not the formulas. For example, when someone announces a breakthrough in throughput and range, often it’s because they assumed extremely high S/N ratios, in other words no interference or thermal noise. That’s not a breakthrough, it’s a result of assuming away the fundamental challenge of RF communications. C=B*log2(1+S/N) says if you assume infinite signal or negligible noise, infinite channel capacity is possible. But that assumption is not relevant to the real world, where interference exists, thermal noise floor exists, and there are regulatory limits on transmit power. This is just the most common example of the fault being in the assumptions, not the formula. I think the most questionable assumption in the case at hand is applying a frequency reuse factor of 1/3 to 802.11n and 1 to LTE-A and comparing those as if they were both cellular systems. In the WISP world, when we cite spectral efficiency, I don’t think it’s standard to apply a frequency reuse factor. We just divide bitrate by channel width. Also questionable is comparing 802.11n vs LTE-A as if that was an apples-to-apples comparison. At a minimum, the comparison should be to 802.11ac, which is left out of the chart. Furthermore, there are assumptions behind the performance of LTE-A that don’t apply to wireless LAN, the most obvious being LTE-A is used in licensed, exclusive use spectrum, where interference comes only from other sectors or cells operated by the same provider. Similarly, if you look at Part 101 licensed backhauls you will see modulation levels like 2048 and 4096 QAM. Why does 802.11 not use such high modulations? Because the S/N to achieve those modulations is unrealistic in the environment where 802.11 systems are used. Also, if you just look at standards, 802.11ac is capable of up to 8 spatial streams also. The question is how to utilize that in a WISP environment. I think we see Mimosa trying, or at least they are trying to use 4 streams. But you also see Mimosa taking a stand against the FCC out of band emissions change. (did you read their filings?) I think it’s dangerous to say go ahead and require 20+ dB more OOB filtering, we just need to think out of the box and come up with new modulation schemes to make up for the lost throughput. Heck, we’re going to need all those advances just for more throughput, not to compensate for a filtering requirement that is totally unnecessary. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 12:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Wikipedia, and other resources, are what people let them be. Ken made some valid points, and I even said that -- twice. People who have been in IT/telecom for a long time get a certain attitude about them, and normally it's not a helpful one to people who might be able to learn something from the old farts, but only if said individuals are willing to take the time to educate. Like I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying then post the correct formula, in your humble opinion, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are you trying to be annoying, or just succeeding? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Then post the correct formula, IYHO, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 06:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: That doesn’t address my complaints about
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
We use spark, http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/ its pretty easy to setup you can have it monitor a notification email address so it blasts a set of users if there is an issue, we had it set up to notify Customer service Staff if there was a device on the network that went down It has SIP client From the boss perspective its nice because you can log all communications You can even cobble realtime chat into your webserver for customers to talk to staff On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I just started using Slack with one of my clients. Hard to gauge how useful it is since their internal IM volume seems to have diminished after a reorganization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 8:55:51 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Check slack.com Web based, but also clients available for iOS,mac os, win and android. Includes file sharing and connections to lots of apps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. -- *From:* Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
Its time for a hug On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Josh, you say “the formulas are at the top”, and I respond that my complaints are about the USE of the formulas and cite 3 specific complaints about the numbers plugged into the formulas and also my complaint about the result saying 802.11n is only capable of 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel when we know the number is higher (around 75). You respond “then post the correct formula”. The only conclusion I can draw is you didn’t read my post. Which is fine, but why respond to something you didn’t read? The thing about formulas, you can get all sorts of answers plugging in different numbers. The error is usually in the assumptions, not the formulas. For example, when someone announces a breakthrough in throughput and range, often it’s because they assumed extremely high S/N ratios, in other words no interference or thermal noise. That’s not a breakthrough, it’s a result of assuming away the fundamental challenge of RF communications. C=B*log2(1+S/N) says if you assume infinite signal or negligible noise, infinite channel capacity is possible. But that assumption is not relevant to the real world, where interference exists, thermal noise floor exists, and there are regulatory limits on transmit power. This is just the most common example of the fault being in the assumptions, not the formula. I think the most questionable assumption in the case at hand is applying a frequency reuse factor of 1/3 to 802.11n and 1 to LTE-A and comparing those as if they were both cellular systems. In the WISP world, when we cite spectral efficiency, I don’t think it’s standard to apply a frequency reuse factor. We just divide bitrate by channel width. Also questionable is comparing 802.11n vs LTE-A as if that was an apples-to-apples comparison. At a minimum, the comparison should be to 802.11ac, which is left out of the chart. Furthermore, there are assumptions behind the performance of LTE-A that don’t apply to wireless LAN, the most obvious being LTE-A is used in licensed, exclusive use spectrum, where interference comes only from other sectors or cells operated by the same provider. Similarly, if you look at Part 101 licensed backhauls you will see modulation levels like 2048 and 4096 QAM. Why does 802.11 not use such high modulations? Because the S/N to achieve those modulations is unrealistic in the environment where 802.11 systems are used. Also, if you just look at standards, 802.11ac is capable of up to 8 spatial streams also. The question is how to utilize that in a WISP environment. I think we see Mimosa trying, or at least they are trying to use 4 streams. But you also see Mimosa taking a stand against the FCC out of band emissions change. (did you read their filings?) I think it’s dangerous to say go ahead and require 20+ dB more OOB filtering, we just need to think out of the box and come up with new modulation schemes to make up for the lost throughput. Heck, we’re going to need all those advances just for more throughput, not to compensate for a filtering requirement that is totally unnecessary. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Wikipedia, and other resources, are what people let them be. Ken made some valid points, and I even said that -- twice. People who have been in IT/telecom for a long time get a certain attitude about them, and normally it's not a helpful one to people who might be able to learn something from the old farts, but only if said individuals are willing to take the time to educate. Like I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying then post the correct formula, in your humble opinion, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Are you trying to be annoying, or just succeeding? *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:14 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Then post the correct formula, IYHO, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On
Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters
http://xkcd.com/386/ Its time for a hug On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Josh, you say “the formulas are at the top”, and I respond that my complaints are about the USE of the formulas and cite 3 specific complaints about the numbers plugged into the formulas and also my complaint about the result saying 802.11n is only capable of 24 Mbps in a 20 MHz channel when we know the number is higher (around 75). You respond “then post the correct formula”. The only conclusion I can draw is you didn’t read my post. Which is fine, but why respond to something you didn’t read? The thing about formulas, you can get all sorts of answers plugging in different numbers. The error is usually in the assumptions, not the formulas. For example, when someone announces a breakthrough in throughput and range, often it’s because they assumed extremely high S/N ratios, in other words no interference or thermal noise. That’s not a breakthrough, it’s a result of assuming away the fundamental challenge of RF communications. C=B*log2(1+S/N) says if you assume infinite signal or negligible noise, infinite channel capacity is possible. But that assumption is not relevant to the real world, where interference exists, thermal noise floor exists, and there are regulatory limits on transmit power. This is just the most common example of the fault being in the assumptions, not the formula. I think the most questionable assumption in the case at hand is applying a frequency reuse factor of 1/3 to 802.11n and 1 to LTE-A and comparing those as if they were both cellular systems. In the WISP world, when we cite spectral efficiency, I don’t think it’s standard to apply a frequency reuse factor. We just divide bitrate by channel width. Also questionable is comparing 802.11n vs LTE-A as if that was an apples-to-apples comparison. At a minimum, the comparison should be to 802.11ac, which is left out of the chart. Furthermore, there are assumptions behind the performance of LTE-A that don’t apply to wireless LAN, the most obvious being LTE-A is used in licensed, exclusive use spectrum, where interference comes only from other sectors or cells operated by the same provider. Similarly, if you look at Part 101 licensed backhauls you will see modulation levels like 2048 and 4096 QAM. Why does 802.11 not use such high modulations? Because the S/N to achieve those modulations is unrealistic in the environment where 802.11 systems are used. Also, if you just look at standards, 802.11ac is capable of up to 8 spatial streams also. The question is how to utilize that in a WISP environment. I think we see Mimosa trying, or at least they are trying to use 4 streams. But you also see Mimosa taking a stand against the FCC out of band emissions change. (did you read their filings?) I think it’s dangerous to say go ahead and require 20+ dB more OOB filtering, we just need to think out of the box and come up with new modulation schemes to make up for the lost throughput. Heck, we’re going to need all those advances just for more throughput, not to compensate for a filtering requirement that is totally unnecessary. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] questions about filters Wikipedia, and other resources, are what people let them be. Ken made some valid points, and I even said that -- twice. People who have been in IT/telecom for a long time get a certain attitude about them, and normally it's not a helpful one to people who might be able to learn something from the old farts, but only if said individuals are willing to take the time to educate. Like I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying then post the correct formula, in your humble opinion, so it can be fixed. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 08:46 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Josh, you have strong opinions and there's nothing wrong with that, but at times you come off very confrontational, IMO. Ken is one of the smartest people I know and I have great respect for him. I think most others here would agree. On 10/26/2014 11:28 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If you're not fixing to the problem, you're contributing to it. You have some valid points about weaknesses in the formulas used in that chart. Do you talk to everyone this way? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/26/2014 07:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
We use Openfirehttp://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp and the JAJChttp://jajc.jrudevels.org/ (Just Another Jabber Client) as the client. We have Openfire integrated with our AD domain. JAJC is automatically deployed (copied, no install required) to new clients via login scripts. JAJC automatically logs-in when it launches. The JAJC client is pretty simple overall and works decent. We’ve thought about moving either to Trillian’s hosted product or licensing their product for in-house use. It’s just hard to justify replacing something that’s working. Charlie __ Charles Boening Network Manager 800-858-2399 | Office charl...@calore.netmailto:charl...@calore.net www.cot.nethttp://www.cot.net/ | Find us on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Cal-Ore/205066716227707 __ Cal-Ore | Real. Local. Trusted. Professional. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We use spark, http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/ its pretty easy to setup you can have it monitor a notification email address so it blasts a set of users if there is an issue, we had it set up to notify Customer service Staff if there was a device on the network that went down It has SIP client From the boss perspective its nice because you can log all communications You can even cobble realtime chat into your webserver for customers to talk to staff On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I just started using Slack with one of my clients. Hard to gauge how useful it is since their internal IM volume seems to have diminished after a reorganization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Check slack.comhttp://slack.com Web based, but also clients available for iOS,mac os, win and android. Includes file sharing and connections to lots of apps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
We’re using Openfire here as well. As far as clients, any XMMP client is compatible, we use Spark. Chris Wright Velociter Wirelesshttp://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Charles Boening via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We use Openfirehttp://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp and the JAJChttp://jajc.jrudevels.org/ (Just Another Jabber Client) as the client. We have Openfire integrated with our AD domain. JAJC is automatically deployed (copied, no install required) to new clients via login scripts. JAJC automatically logs-in when it launches. The JAJC client is pretty simple overall and works decent. We’ve thought about moving either to Trillian’s hosted product or licensing their product for in-house use. It’s just hard to justify replacing something that’s working. Charlie __ Charles Boening Network Manager 800-858-2399 | Office charl...@calore.netmailto:charl...@calore.net www.cot.nethttp://www.cot.net/ | Find us on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/Cal-Ore/205066716227707 __ Cal-Ore | Real. Local. Trusted. Professional. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:29 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We use spark, http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/ its pretty easy to setup you can have it monitor a notification email address so it blasts a set of users if there is an issue, we had it set up to notify Customer service Staff if there was a device on the network that went down It has SIP client From the boss perspective its nice because you can log all communications You can even cobble realtime chat into your webserver for customers to talk to staff On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I just started using Slack with one of my clients. Hard to gauge how useful it is since their internal IM volume seems to have diminished after a reorganization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Check slack.comhttp://slack.com Web based, but also clients available for iOS,mac os, win and android. Includes file sharing and connections to lots of apps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
The big guys take care of the diesel tanks by either running their own filtration/conditioning system or having a contractor come out every couple of months and process the fuel through a polishing system.Not cheap but necessary with diesel standby systems. Mark On 10/27/14, 9:48 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yeahbut, your tests are generally once a week for 15 minutes, without load. You might burn a gallon of fuel. If you have a 1500 gallon tank, that is a lot of weeks (28 years...) worth of test runs. Even a 500 gallon tank would last almost 10 years on test runs along. Yes, they come along and top it off a couple of times a year but that does not do much to dilute the bad fuel with new. There are microbes that eat diesel. Not sure if the additives kill them completely or not. It must work because lots of large telecom sites have diesel tanks. I have always been LP or NG if I could get it. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 7:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I believe they make treatments to reduce the staleness of stored diesel. You'll also be burning some during your regularly scheduled load tests as well, right? *nudge* ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 8:28:57 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Generator question I dislike diesel due to the inevitable mess and the fact it goes stale, has cold weather issues etc. If the disaster is bad enough to shut off the NG pipes, I think I don't want to be at work. -Original Message- From: Rex-List Account via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator question Just to throw another curve into your thinking - what is your reasoning on the generator? Disaster recovery? Frequent power outages due to storms and such? As a thirty plus year vet at a phone company and a twenty five plus year vet on the fire department let me give you this to ponder. If it is for frequent power outages due to electrical storms, ice, and/or poor power lines then NG is fine. However it has been my experience that in disaster scenarios like earthquakes (ok I haven't actually seen this one) severe storms/tornadoes (I have seen way too many of these) then one of the first things the fire department does is shut down the natural gas pipelines. Too many houses destroyed and the possibilities of way too many leaks. I personally would go with diesel fuel. Almost always available - can be easily trucked in. LP can be hard to source and price fluctuates in the winter. There is always a farmer or construction company around with diesel. NG is defiantly more convenient, but in a true disaster situation it may not be available. Just my two cents worth. Rex -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Generator question So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Generator question
I'd probably put in two transfer switches. One at the main panel at each building. Then run the output from the generator to each of the transfer switches. The only issue is if the power is out at one building, but not the other. That's probably a utility issue, but no harm either way. The whole point of the transfer switch is to avoid the hazard of back-feeding the utility from the generator. bp On 10/26/2014 2:17 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: So I have a unique situation at our office. We're looking at a Generac QuietSource 22 or 30kW running on NG. I'm not dead set on that, but those are very nice and quiet 1800RPM. And the problem is, our building is really old and is split in half with two separate 240 services coming in. And I do have an old empty 1-1/4 conduit between the two utility closets. The two services is actually nice because a lot of times, one side will have power when the other doesn't. One comes from the north, the other from the south. There's no way we can rewire and combine everything into one service feed. I'm trying to wrap my mind around how to do something like two auto-transfer switches on one generator. I have critical stuff to run on both sides. Probably need a qualified electrician or engineer, but I thought I'd ask here for suggestions before we go down that road and pay someone to come up with something that I most likely wouldn't like.
[AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I’m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I’ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
I have some in both frequencies. BH20. Let me know. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I’m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I’ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
P9's or better. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: I have some in both frequencies. BH20. Let me know. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I’m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I’ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
I have some P8 5700BH20's. Don't really have a use for them and nobody else wants them. I think I have two or three. You can have them all for $50 + shipping. On 10/27/2014 11:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
Re: [AFMUG] Sonicwall and PPPoE
The NSA 250MW is at there core site. They have more smaller Sonicwalls also. The NSA unit is handling a lot of NAT and is master for all there VPN stuff while the others are clients. If I put PPPoE and NAT in the Canopy SM and hand out only one IP and put it in the DNZ will that solve this? Will there VPN's still work? Also, if the Canopy NAT table fills up will the DMZ cause things to still work? They have a lot of PC's behind the sonicwall. The SM is a 3.65 450 if that matters. Has anyone worked much with Sonicwall routers? We have a corporate client with a NSA 250MW using it as master to VPN between sites. If a SM gets rebooted, PPPoE server gets rebooted(in middle of night), etc the thing will never redial the PPPoE connection. Very frustrating. Has anyone solved this? I do not have direct access to the device but I can work with there tech.
Re: [AFMUG] Sonicwall and PPPoE
It does. If their router is on the DMZ, then the NAT table is not used or needed. With release 13.2, you can also make the NAT table up to 8096 entries. bp On 10/27/2014 9:49 AM, Matt via Af wrote: Also, if the Canopy NAT table fills up will the DMZ cause things to still work? They have a lot of PC's behind the sonicwall. The SM is a 3.65 450 if that matters.
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
How many would you like? Mark On 10/27/14, 12:11 PM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop
We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop What remote desktop / support application do you use? We're looking at Teamviewer and ScreenConnect. Teamviewer works well but can get expensive for multiple users, version upgrades, etc. ScreenConnect is self-hosted and more customizable. Any other alternatives we should be looking at? -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
I have seen spark used in quite a few environments. Seems to work well. - Original Message - From: Chris Wright via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We’re using Openfire here as well. As far as clients, any XMMP client is compatible, we use Spark. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Charles Boening via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We use Openfire and the JAJC (Just Another Jabber Client) as the client. We have Openfire integrated with our AD domain. JAJC is automatically deployed (copied, no install required) to new clients via login scripts. JAJC automatically logs-in when it launches. The JAJC client is pretty simple overall and works decent. We’ve thought about moving either to Trillian’s hosted product or licensing their product for in-house use. It’s just hard to justify replacing something that’s working. Charlie __ Charles Boening Network Manager 800-858-2399 | Office charl...@calore.net www.cot.net | Find us on Facebook __ Cal-Ore | Real. Local. Trusted. Professional. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We use spark, http://www.igniterealtime.org/downloads/ its pretty easy to setup you can have it monitor a notification email address so it blasts a set of users if there is an issue, we had it set up to notify Customer service Staff if there was a device on the network that went down It has SIP client From the boss perspective its nice because you can log all communications You can even cobble realtime chat into your webserver for customers to talk to staff On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I just started using Slack with one of my clients. Hard to gauge how useful it is since their internal IM volume seems to have diminished after a reorganization. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:55:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Check slack.com Web based, but also clients available for iOS,mac os, win and android. Includes file sharing and connections to lots of apps Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging We're getting ready to deploy Lync company-wide. Also, I think one of the call centers runs some open source thing called spark. From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
Just one client on the BH? I'd be tempted to swap in a pair of PTP450s, and do the same data rate on a 5 MHz channel. bp On 10/27/2014 9:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop
Use ScreenConnect here - absolutely love it. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 10/27/2014 12:54 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: signature We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net -- 314-735-0270 -- www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Remote Desktop What remote desktop / support application do you use? We're looking at Teamviewer and ScreenConnect. Teamviewer works well but can get expensive for multiple users, version upgrades, etc. ScreenConnect is self-hosted and more customizable. Any other alternatives we should be looking at? -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contactrco...@infowest.com mailto:rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop
+1 for ScreenConnect Gerard On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ScreenConnect here - absolutely love it. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 10/27/2014 12:54 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Remote Desktop What remote desktop / support application do you use? We're looking at Teamviewer and ScreenConnect. Teamviewer works well but can get expensive for multiple users, version upgrades, etc. ScreenConnect is self-hosted and more customizable. Any other alternatives we should be looking at? -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop
We use turbomeeting from http://www.rhubcom.com/ because it has a single purchase rather than requiring recurring cost, we own the hardware, there is the option for recurring as well. Ours is an older unit, we have been looking at upgrading it for more seats, but its been a great tool. The unattended sessions are a little quirky On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 for ScreenConnect Gerard On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ScreenConnect here - absolutely love it. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 10/27/2014 12:54 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Remote Desktop What remote desktop / support application do you use? We're looking at Teamviewer and ScreenConnect. Teamviewer works well but can get expensive for multiple users, version upgrades, etc. ScreenConnect is self-hosted and more customizable. Any other alternatives we should be looking at? -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop
I forgot to mention the application sharing, it is pretty slick, you can share just your powerpoint out if you want, that has come in handy, especially for training staff remotely On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:34 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use turbomeeting from http://www.rhubcom.com/ because it has a single purchase rather than requiring recurring cost, we own the hardware, there is the option for recurring as well. Ours is an older unit, we have been looking at upgrading it for more seats, but its been a great tool. The unattended sessions are a little quirky On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 for ScreenConnect Gerard On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ScreenConnect here - absolutely love it. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 10/27/2014 12:54 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Remote Desktop What remote desktop / support application do you use? We're looking at Teamviewer and ScreenConnect. Teamviewer works well but can get expensive for multiple users, version upgrades, etc. ScreenConnect is self-hosted and more customizable. Any other alternatives we should be looking at? -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
Is there much of a market for used Canopy 5.7 100 gear for p9 p10? I am getting a pile of them and will likely pull out 100 subs out of the filed in the next few months -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios Just one client on the BH? I'd be tempted to swap in a pair of PTP450s, and do the same data rate on a 5 MHz channel. bp On 10/27/2014 9:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
[AFMUG] Sparkplug in Vegas
Did they get bought out or does anyone know of a contact? I'm trying to find a fiber link to Bullhead/Laughlin from there. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Sparkplug in Vegas
Call http://www.lv.net/ Robert B Bain P.O. Box 1090 Graham, Washington 98338 Cell 253-219-2890 SMS/ Text 253-219-2890 bai...@yahoo.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Sparkplug in Vegas Did they get bought out or does anyone know of a contact? I'm trying to find a fiber link to Bullhead/Laughlin from there. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Old 5.7 BH radios
Its a private network that they installed years ago and we maintain on a time and materials basis. On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just one client on the BH? I'd be tempted to swap in a pair of PTP450s, and do the same data rate on a 5 MHz channel. bp On 10/27/2014 9:11 AM, Dan Petermann via Af wrote: We have a client running v6.1 on a pair of BH radios. One of the radios died. I do not know the hardware version of the board. Are all BHs capable of running newer firmware or do they hit the wall at 7.3.6? I�m thinking that they are P8s or older and probably stuck at 7.3.6 software scheduling. If so, I�ll need a 2 radios to get the link back up.
Re: [AFMUG] Sparkplug in Vegas
I think sparkplug got bought out by Airband, who then got bought out by UNSi, who just got bought out by GTT. Keefe On 10/27/2014 1:43 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: Did they get bought out or does anyone know of a contact? I�m trying to find a fiber link to Bullhead/Laughlin from there. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. *From:* Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE
Matt, How has it been running the past few days? How many PPPoE sessions? We have a ccr1016-12 with about 1600 pppoe sessions running. Running 6.4, have wanted to update it being it is working. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Friday, October 24, 2014, 1:51:36 PM, you wrote: MvA Recently updated to a 36 core CCR as a PPPoE server. Was having some MvA issues with higher tier packages such as our office getting more than MvA 20mbps through a single connection. IPv6 seemed to perform better MvA then IPv4 for speed tests. Upgraded the CCR from v6.17 to v6.20. Now MvA every pppoe connection is screaming fast. I don't know what Mikrotik MvA did but something has changed. I wonder if they did anything with MvA there BGP code? We have another one doing a couple gigabit full BGP MvA connections. Seems to work fine but one core is almost always at 100 MvA percent. Its currently running v6.19. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. *From:* Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
Off polarization. Not elevation or azimuth. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? 30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. From: Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
I think I would just prefer mounts that are level. seems much easier. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rotation along the propagation axis. *From:* TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? 30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. *From:* Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
The point is, if you have some minor polarization rotation, you don’t lose a significant amount of signal. Yes, always easier when things are plumb and square. But on a tower leg that tilts both directions, sometimes you have to compromise. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? I think I would just prefer mounts that are level. seems much easier. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rotation along the propagation axis. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? 30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. From: Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
[AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Alcoma has the lowest cost per meg. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com'); -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Distance? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 27, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.comhttp://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE
Matt, How has it been running the past few days? How many PPPoE sessions? We have a ccr1016-12 with about 1600 pppoe sessions running. Running 6.4, have wanted to update it being it is working. Fine so far. We have two heavily loaded CCR PPPoE servers running v6.20 for few days. Biggest improvement is connection speeds. Make sure you update the routerboard firmware and reboot after you upgrade to v6.20. One of our routers has another issue that comes up after about 60 days of uptime and they stated the firmware will help with that. Will see in a few months. Might have to RMA that one if it comes up again. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Friday, October 24, 2014, 1:51:36 PM, you wrote: MvA Recently updated to a 36 core CCR as a PPPoE server. Was having some MvA issues with higher tier packages such as our office getting more than MvA 20mbps through a single connection. IPv6 seemed to perform better MvA then IPv4 for speed tests. Upgraded the CCR from v6.17 to v6.20. Now MvA every pppoe connection is screaming fast. I don't know what Mikrotik MvA did but something has changed. I wonder if they did anything with MvA there BGP code? We have another one doing a couple gigabit full BGP MvA connections. Seems to work fine but one core is almost always at 100 MvA percent. Its currently running v6.19. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE
What kind of bandwidth are your 1600 sessions pulling? Last time we tested it struggled to get past 500mbps. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:29 PM To: Matt via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE Matt, How has it been running the past few days? How many PPPoE sessions? We have a ccr1016-12 with about 1600 pppoe sessions running. Running 6.4, have wanted to update it being it is working. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Friday, October 24, 2014, 1:51:36 PM, you wrote: MvA Recently updated to a 36 core CCR as a PPPoE server. Was having MvA some issues with higher tier packages such as our office getting MvA more than 20mbps through a single connection. IPv6 seemed to MvA perform better then IPv4 for speed tests. Upgraded the CCR from MvA v6.17 to v6.20. Now every pppoe connection is screaming fast. I MvA don't know what Mikrotik did but something has changed. I wonder MvA if they did anything with there BGP code? We have another one MvA doing a couple gigabit full BGP connections. Seems to work fine MvA but one core is almost always at 100 percent. Its currently running v6.19. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[AFMUG] canopy 7.2.9 des firmware
Anybody have a copy of this handy? Thanks -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
what's their pricing? Keefe On 10/27/2014 5:45 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Alcoma has the lowest cost per meg. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com'); -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Distance is 2.6 miles.. Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
will e-band work @ 2.6 miles with 2ft antennas and full tx power? (i.e. not siklu?)? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Distance is 2.6 miles.. Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Depends a great deal on where you are and the maximum mm/hour rain rate expected. That's 4.18 km. I would do it with +19 Tx power radios, very stable mounts, 60cm dishes and very precise aiming. But only with a 5.x GHz link (Nanobeam M5-400 or similar) installed in parallel on a higher OSPF cost. It won't meet five nines unless you're in the desert. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: will e-band work @ 2.6 miles with 2ft antennas and full tx power? (i.e. not siklu?)? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Distance is 2.6 miles.. Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
run your own internal irc server in private IP space, set users up with shell accounts that can only run irssi. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
correct, two dishes total two OMT, one on each dish. the OMT is the T-shaped orthomode transducer that separates the H V wavelengths. the radio heads (two per dish) mount on the OMT. here's a random google image search I found in 5 seconds, some huawei radios on an OMT mounted on one dish. same idea. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1382080382/HUAWEI_OptiX_RTN_310_full_outdoor_OptiX.jpg On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean a total of two dishes and four radios, not per side, right? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:24:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
*nods* I just wanted to make sure they didn't have something else out I didn't know about. The Trango's max channel (at least at launch) is 60 MHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:31:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently correct, two dishes total two OMT, one on each dish. the OMT is the T-shaped orthomode transducer that separates the H V wavelengths. the radio heads (two per dish) mount on the OMT. here's a random google image search I found in 5 seconds, some huawei radios on an OMT mounted on one dish. same idea. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1382080382/HUAWEI_OptiX_RTN_310_full_outdoor_OptiX.jpg On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean a total of two dishes and four radios, not per side, right? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:24:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
there may be a 24 GHz version of the SIAE 1024QAM radio that can offer similar performance, perhaps less expensive than the trango. Otherwise, same idea, but with SIAE 18 or 23 GHz part101 radios and dishes, two OMTs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *nods* I just wanted to make sure they didn't have something else out I didn't know about. The Trango's max channel (at least at launch) is 60 MHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:31:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently correct, two dishes total two OMT, one on each dish. the OMT is the T-shaped orthomode transducer that separates the H V wavelengths. the radio heads (two per dish) mount on the OMT. here's a random google image search I found in 5 seconds, some huawei radios on an OMT mounted on one dish. same idea. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1382080382/HUAWEI_OptiX_RTN_310_full_outdoor_OptiX.jpg On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean a total of two dishes and four radios, not per side, right? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:24:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] Colocation
Has anyone made a successful try at offering colocation and would like to point out some details on Do's and don't's? Seems like a great way to build additional revenue off of completely unused upstream bandwidth ? Is it worth the hassle and DDoS?
