[AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at [ http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ]( http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ) Ray Join the Conversation [ Cambium Networks Community Forum ]( http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ )
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Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 LinkedIn *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
I seem to have exactly the same problem with switches, especially the smaller ones. I'd really like something frame transparent, and most switches seem to be anything but. That said if there's a really good small switch which seems more reliable than a media converter, I'm all ears. On Mar 10, 2015 4:09 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account) *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM *To:* af *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
I personally like something with an interface so that I can troubleshoot. With most media converters you're just going at it blind. On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: I seem to have exactly the same problem with switches, especially the smaller ones. I'd really like something frame transparent, and most switches seem to be anything but. That said if there's a really good small switch which seems more reliable than a media converter, I'm all ears. On Mar 10, 2015 4:09 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','afmu...@gmail.com'); wrote: Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com'); Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account) *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM *To:* af *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
We use Antaira. They are less expensive than most others we have found, but they seem to be pretty good quality. We use the 8 port switch version for most tower boxes and are quite happy with them and I can't recall the last SFP that went bad on us. Model: LNX-1002G-SFP ($459 MSRP) 8 copper Gig ports and 2 SFP ports. http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-ethernet/unmanaged-switches/gigabit-switches/lnx-1002g-sfp?pid=5299 They also have an extended temp version but we haven't ever bought them and we have had very few failures related to heat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:18:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I seem to have exactly the same problem with switches, especially the smaller ones. I'd really like something frame transparent, and most switches seem to be anything but. That said if there's a really good small switch which seems more reliable than a media converter, I'm all ears. On Mar 10, 2015 4:09 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account) *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM *To:* af *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
For DC: From 0-30V: 2 Amps. Above 30V: 60 Watts. (If you need amps above 30v, divide 60 by your voltage: For example, at 60V, it's 1A). I'm not going to tell you how much the maximum relay voltage is at DC since I don't want to encourage you putting that much voltage through this device, and I'd have to check PCB and connector ratings to see what you could actually put through. Let's just say it's a lot more than 60VDC. This applies to any sitemonitor device with a built-in relay: PoE4, PoE8, 6 Relay, the mixed relay out/switch in modules, the temperature control module, and the base unit. And possibly one I forgot. -forrest On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
Who didn't already know this was public? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:31:41 PM Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already
Probably a good guess. Seems to have arrived after 13.1.3. Affects some customers pretty regularly, others not at all. Given that we use NAT for nearly everyone it accounts for a fair number of customers. Mark On 3/10/15 9:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM? *From:* Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Dear Cambium, Can we please get this SM issue fixed? It's getting really old. System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT; 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError() 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : Stack Dump information: Current context Task: NAPT Current Stack: 2% Max Stack: 26% r0: r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: r4: 007930a4 r5: r6: r7: fffe r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10: r11: 0001 r12: 00bf1380 r13: r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c r16: r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000 r28: r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64 Task Stack Dump: 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef Mark -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
https://www.mail-archive.com/af@afmug.com/ On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Steve, I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don’t find any of it on google. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Wireless Admin *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
i am getting ready to fire up a new link this exact way, have a 2011 switching eth1 and the SFP port together for a defacto media converter. Sent from my iPad Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 10, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Would just use a 2011 J cheap, simple, and lots of options J Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I personally like something with an interface so that I can troubleshoot. With most media converters you're just going at it blind. On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: I seem to have exactly the same problem with switches, especially the smaller ones. I'd really like something frame transparent, and most switches seem to be anything but. That said if there's a really good small switch which seems more reliable than a media converter, I'm all ears. On Mar 10, 2015 4:09 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry !!!!!!!!
You mean this list is not part of the “dark web”? From: Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry Just to be crystal clear, ALL the AFMUG archives (new and old - going back to 2009) are publically available on the Internet to anyone that wants to see them. I just checked and yep.. they are there and working ! I am hesitant to post the link to the old archives now as it seems there are conspiracy theorists among us, LOL Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry The old archives were and still are available through web access (without registration) to my knowledge -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] kWh/month and actual W load figures for new 256QAM radios
If I remember correctly, the AF5x is only supposed to use around 15 watts.
I haven't checked what a Mimosa actually uses, but I think they're rated a
bit higher... something like 20 or 25 watts.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I would recommend (lacking any other information) that if you're going to
be running those things in a solar application that you want the highest
voltage you can. Probably a 48 volt system. For an AirFiber, that is
still going to be a constant 1 amp load. That's 1.2 KWH per day.
At 49 north, you won't have many hours to recover, even on a sunny day. I
would try to get a week's worth (Chuck would say 10 days worth) in the 2
hours of sunlight you might get on the winter solstice.
So. That would be 1200 WH * 10 = 12,000 WH (aka 12 KWH). You need to
be able to generate 6KW per hour.
On my little scratch pad, that is going to be about 25 300 watt panels
(best to figure about 80% efficiency on your solar panels).
I shudder to think how much battery that is, and that is only one radio.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Watts is watts.
If you're drawing (for example) 50 watts.
110 VAC at ~~ .45 amps is 50 watts
48 VDC at ~~ 1 amp is 50 watts
24VDC at ~~ 2 amps is 50 watts
Looking at power consumption in watts eliminates having to figure out what
the voltage is.
It does not deal with conversions though. The aforementioned 110VAC will
surely involve some conversion efficiencies (or lack thereof).
Not having any specific information, I figure at least 10% loss each time
you convert. So if you're powering an AF24 on 110VAC, you can rule of
thumb estimate that the real amperage (on the 110 VAC is going to be closer
to .5 amps (instead of .45 mentioned above).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:23 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:
Looking at the mimosa b5c, AF5X and other new low cost 256QAM radios for
an off grid solar application.
Will be used with the tycon dc-dc poet injectors.
Manufacturers, do you gave any real world figures for constant W load?
Are the figures for wattage in your datasheets as measured on the AC or DC
side of the POE injectors included with your radios?
At latitudes above 49 north, we need to calculate very precise kilowatt
hour per month figures to survive reliably through December and January.
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry !!!!!!!!
There truly is such a thing... and nothing good happens there... On 3/10/2015 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You mean this list is not part of the “dark web”? *From:* Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry Just to be crystal clear, *ALL the AFMUG archives (new and old - going back to 2009)* are publically available on the Internet to anyone that wants to see them. I just checked and yep.. they are there and working ! I am hesitant to post the link to the old archives now as it seems there are conspiracy theorists among us, LOL Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry The old archives were and still are available through web access (without registration) to my knowledge -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:21 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] semi-OT: SLOW graphs cacti w/chrome
That image was inserted there. Try #2.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 5:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I tried running it on my old Windows XP machine. Same problem.
I did run the developer's profile tool, and it is spending a lot of
time (most of it in fact) in ftiens4.js. See below. Something about
painting the tree.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
chromegraphCPUprofile.PNG
On 3/7/2015 6:01 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
I want to say that's the exact same problem I was seeing the other
day. Chrome kept freaking out saying connection lost or something
like that, and it was only happening when going through Cacti pages.
Closed/reopen Chrome, reboot my PC, and then... a couple hours later,
it just went away. I assume the Google changed some crap and messed
it up like they usually do. I don't know how to force gupdate to run.
So I just did something else for a while because it was pissing me
off. I hate it, it's a memory hog and uses lots of CPU cycles. But it
lets me have all of my bookmarks and passwords sync'd across all
devices and PCs.
My version is the same as yours currently. This was a couple days ago
too. So I'm not sure that has anything to do with it. Have you tried
Chrome on another PC?
But Thursday night, I also migrated my Cacti over to a new machine.
The old one started running dogshit slow a couple months ago. I found
out that one of the CPUs sorta half failed. One of the logical
processors, aka hyper-threads, will not start. The kernel says CPU
not responding - cannot use it at boot. And I think that socket is
also tied to the half of the PCI bus that runs the RAID controller
slot. The thing is well over 10 years old, so it got some good life.
The new machine is dual socket with 6-core Hyper-threaded Xeons each
and lots more RAM. It's.. fast. I get a 30 graph page in under 2
seconds now. It would take like 2 minutes to get a net-flow report,
now it's about 5 seconds.
On 3/7/2015 2:23 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
For about the last week, I've been seeing extremely _S_L_O_W_ graph
rendering in cacti, but only when I use a chrome browser. Both
firefox and IE at least 10X faster. An average subscriber with 8
graphs takes about 1 second if the browser is firefox or IE, but
chrome takes something like 20 seconds; sometimes even longer (one
time ~~ 45 seconds).
I thought maybe it was an extension or something, so I turned off
extensions and stripped it down to next to nothing. No help. So I
am guessing this is some issue with the way that rrdtool renders the
graph(s) and the way that chrome interprets it or something.
When I do the operation in either firefox or IE, the CPU utilization
goes up for a brief little blip. When rendering in chrome, CPU
utilization goes up to ~~ 50-60% and stays there until the page is
rendered; 20, 30, sometimes 40 seconds. I also get timeout notices
from chrome. I tell it to wait, and eventually the page is
rendered
My setup:
Windows 8.1 x64 (whatever the latest update is)
chrome Version 41.0.2272.76 m (64-bit)
firefox Version 36.0.1
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
Just to be crystal clear, ALL the AFMUG archives (new and old - going back to 2009) are publically available on the Internet to anyone that wants to see them. I just checked and yep.. they are there and working ! I am hesitant to post the link to the old archives now as it seems there are conspiracy theorists among us, LOL Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry The old archives were and still are available through web access (without registration) to my knowledge -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:21 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] kWh/month and actual W load figures for new 256QAM radios
Eric,
I have a few 50W Propane TEGs I could sell you.
Let me know.
ryan
On 3/10/15 4:52 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would recommend (lacking any other information) that if you're going
to be running those things in a solar application that you want the
highest voltage you can. Probably a 48 volt system. For an AirFiber,
that is still going to be a constant 1 amp load. That's 1.2 KWH per day.
At 49 north, you won't have many hours to recover, even on a sunny
day. I would try to get a week's worth (Chuck would say 10 days
worth) in the 2 hours of sunlight you might get on the winter solstice.
So. That would be 1200 WH * 10 = 12,000 WH (aka 12 KWH). You need
to be able to generate 6KW per hour.
On my little scratch pad, that is going to be about 25 300 watt panels
(best to figure about 80% efficiency on your solar panels).
I shudder to think how much battery that is, and that is only one radio.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Watts is watts.
If you're drawing (for example) 50 watts.
110 VAC at ~~ .45 amps is 50 watts
48 VDC at ~~ 1 amp is 50 watts
24VDC at ~~ 2 amps is 50 watts
Looking at power consumption in watts eliminates having to figure out
what the voltage is.
It does not deal with conversions though. The aforementioned 110VAC
will surely involve some conversion efficiencies (or lack thereof).
Not having any specific information, I figure at least 10% loss each
time you convert. So if you're powering an AF24 on 110VAC, you can
rule of thumb estimate that the real amperage (on the 110 VAC is
going to be closer to .5 amps (instead of .45 mentioned above).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:23 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:
Looking at the mimosa b5c, AF5X and other new low cost 256QAM radios
for an off grid solar application.
Will be used with the tycon dc-dc poet injectors.
Manufacturers, do you gave any real world figures for constant W
load? Are the figures for wattage in your datasheets as measured on
the AC or DC side of the POE injectors included with your radios?
At latitudes above 49 north, we need to calculate very precise
kilowatt hour per month figures to survive reliably through December
and January.
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Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
I will measure current on a live link next time I am in Naperville. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: This is on Apex Lynx Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: ...yet so far. Don't count on 6 or 11GHz being any lower than 70 watts. On 3/10/2015 8:23 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: But its so close [image: Inline image 1] Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:21 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
I wonder if it doesn't handle interference as well in some cases, or something like that... it'll be interesting to see what it does on other links. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:59 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Interesting. I used the Cambium link tester and followed up with Mikrotik. Weird John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:42pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I did run a test before and after between the Mikrotik routers at each end of the link, it was averaging just over 50Mbps before and after - this was using a 20mhz channel with a fairly high noise floor, which is unfortunately the best I can do without shutting down some other stuff on these towers. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:58 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Have you run before and after link tests within the software? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:18pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link). This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
hopefully the POE passthrough is better than the UBNT passthrough On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
What speeds can one get when putting 100 customers per port on docsis? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 10, 2015, at 11:57 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: I would imagine those 6 ports can service 600 customers On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LABEL LABEL LABEL. ALWAYS. Those million wires blur together instantly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 10, 2015 1:49 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: A 48 port DSLAM is about $1200. It looks like its about 1k for 6 ports on the coax. It takes a little bit to learn how to best manage to twisted pairs, but once you got it down, it's easy. Just make sure you label the pairs! Just my 2 Cents. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps From: Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Drupal /ˈdruːpəl/[4] is a free and open-source content-management framework written in PHP and distributed under the GNU General Public License.[3][5][6] It is used as a back-end framework for at least 2.1% of all Web sites worldwide[7][8] ranging from personal blogs to corporate, political, and government sites including WhiteHouse.gov and data.gov.uk.[9] It is also used for knowledge management and business collaboration.[10] ---Wikipedia From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I refuse to use any CMS system of any kind because they're easily exploited. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: David dmilho...@wletc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:17:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Interesting, We use drupal for this site so its possible not sure how it happened because its sits on a Lamp stack server. Thanks Dave On 03/03/2015 10:46 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: FYI David Inline image 1 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Yes, I love my 3.65 deployment thus far and not looking back. Steadily moving with more tower growth and more deployments. We have 4 sites scheduled this year to go on and 1 is completed working 2 this next quarter. We are doing a full 3.65 on each site and adding 5Ghz 450 where it makes sense. On 03/03/2015 09:23 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: We love 5.15-5.25 though. So far our customer testing is showing performance very close to our 3.65 due to the low noise floor, and I know you've been reading about how the 3.65 is doing. Patrick Telrad On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Agreed but now there could be less room for additional development of other wireless devices. Also, if they would stay on on side of the band would be nice like 5.1 Still plenty of room for us. On 03/03/2015 06:31 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically conservative. On Mar 2, 2015 12:16 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: That means can we point our 5ghz backhaul stuff at there towers and make there signal about worthless? If so that would teach cell phone companies not to mess with WISP’s spectrum. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address] -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address]
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
Could it be worse? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:16 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: hopefully the POE passthrough is better than the UBNT passthrough On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I would like to see call volume to customer count ratios between those who
do and dont charge for service calls. We dont charge, which I think is dumb
since we dont enforce the whole dont roll a truck if its not a verified
problem. We have driven 40 miles to plug a power supply in, 40 miles to get
to a customers house to find out all but one of their devices is in fact
working and the one thats not had its wireless turned off, one customer was
so sure we needed to come realign his reflector that he went out and
cranked it facing the other direction (come on man, at least loosen the
nut, otherwise we see the stripped fresh paint flakes). I dont mind going
out to resolve an issue with our gear for free, I just hate getting told
theres no funds for proper infrastructure grounding when we are wasting two
man truck rolls for things that we can verify in house or recover the cost
on.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a 1-hour minimum charge for this sort of thing.� We charge
$120/hour.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 2:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
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most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ?
we think $80 for such cases tho...
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- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I like your way of thinking.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
$100 service call
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*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Short rant
�
Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it?
Me: Sure, no problem.
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the pole*
Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception.
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Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke.
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grrr...
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Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
LABEL LABEL LABEL. ALWAYS. Those million wires blur together instantly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 10, 2015 1:49 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: A 48 port DSLAM is about $1200. It looks like its about 1k for 6 ports on the coax. It takes a little bit to learn how to best manage to twisted pairs, but once you got it down, it's easy. Just make sure you label the pairs! Just my 2 Cents. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps *From:* Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
I would imagine those 6 ports can service 600 customers On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LABEL LABEL LABEL. ALWAYS. Those million wires blur together instantly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 10, 2015 1:49 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: A 48 port DSLAM is about $1200. It looks like its about 1k for 6 ports on the coax. It takes a little bit to learn how to best manage to twisted pairs, but once you got it down, it's easy. Just make sure you label the pairs! Just my 2 Cents. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps *From:* Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
I may have misunderstood, but I thought they were also working on 2.5ms for
ePMP.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that on the roadmap? I thought the sync implementation on the ePMP
would not allow for 2.5 ms sync?
I thought the way they were going to address this was to allow 5 ms sync
on PMP450?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 11:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy?
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
I also wonder with MIMO systems why the V/H or -45/+45 polarities are
not considered separate transmitters (because they are). In which case
each one should be allowed up to the limit?
AND... What allows UBNT to transmit at up to 27 dbm, yet PMP450 is
limited to 22 dbm? What's different there that I don't understand? 5
dbm is a bunch in my book. Is it OOB that is the issue here?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Personally I also feel there is a flaw in the way EIRP is regulated on
FHSS systems. The limit in 900 MHz is on total EIRP, not power
spectral density. Somehow the FCC feels it is OK to concentrate 4
watts in one narrow hopping sub-channel as long as the dwell time
isn’t too long. That’s like saying you can use a magnifying glass to
concentrate sunlight on a single ant and it won’t hurt the ant as long
as you move it to a different ant every second. No, you end up with a
bunch of smoking ant carcasses on the sidewalk.
Also the smartgrid mesh networks seem to violate the spirit of the
requirement that you can’t get around the EIRP limit by using multiple
transmitters to send the same data, for example in a MIMO system.
*From:* Jeremy Grip mailto:g...@nbnworks.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
+1
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz
and smart meters.
While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to
take it over in California to the point where no other user has any
chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes.
By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power
meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites,
has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high
speed communications.
So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz
for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum
in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of
unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think
they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum.
I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can
deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1
million units.
*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP
Has anyone been able to get CNUT working on the ePMP platform? I'm running CNUT 4.8 and can't get past Uploading Image to device then upload failed. There is no entry in the radio Log file on the failed attempt. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link). This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Personally I also feel there is a flaw in the way EIRP is regulated on FHSS systems. The limit in 900 MHz is on total EIRP, not power spectral density. Somehow the FCC feels it is OK to concentrate 4 watts in one narrow hopping sub-channel as long as the dwell time isn’t too long. That’s like saying you can use a magnifying glass to concentrate sunlight on a single ant and it won’t hurt the ant as long as you move it to a different ant every second. No, you end up with a bunch of smoking ant carcasses on the sidewalk. Also the smartgrid mesh networks seem to violate the spirit of the requirement that you can’t get around the EIRP limit by using multiple transmitters to send the same data, for example in a MIMO system. From: Jeremy Grip Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. +1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps From: Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already
Publicly accessible IP on the radio? On Mar 10, 2015 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: Probably a good guess. Seems to have arrived after 13.1.3. Affects some customers pretty regularly, others not at all. Given that we use NAT for nearly everyone it accounts for a fair number of customers. Mark On 3/10/15 9:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM? *From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Dear Cambium, Can we please get this SM issue fixed? It's getting really old. System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT; 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError() 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : Stack Dump information: Current context Task: NAPT Current Stack: 2% Max Stack: 26% r0: r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: r4: 007930a4 r5: r6: r7: fffe r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10: r11: 0001 r12: 00bf1380 r13: r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c r16: r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000 r28: r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64 Task Stack Dump: 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef Mark -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already
Like this one? [ http://208.74.35.70/ ]( http://208.74.35.70/ ) John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Steve D bigd...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:43pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Publicly accessible IP on the radio? On Mar 10, 2015 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh [ m...@amplex.net ]( mailto:m...@amplex.net ) wrote: Probably a good guess. Seems to have arrived after 13.1.3. Affects some customers pretty regularly, others not at all. Given that we use NAT for nearly everyone it accounts for a fair number of customers. Mark On 3/10/15 9:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM? From: [ Mark Radabaugh ]( mailto:m...@amplex.net ) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Dear Cambium, Can we please get this SM issue fixed? It's getting really old. System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT; 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError() 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : Stack Dump information: Current context Task: NAPT Current Stack: 2% Max Stack: 26% r0: r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: r4: 007930a4 r5: r6: r7: fffe r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10: r11: 0001 r12: 00bf1380 r13: r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c r16: r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000 r28: r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64 Task Stack Dump: 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef Mark -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex[ m...@amplex.net ]( mailto:m...@amplex.net ) [ 419.837.5015 x 1021 ]( tel:419.837.5015%20x%201021 )
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
Depends on the load. There is also a solid state relay module coming which will do several amps @ +-48VDC. It's very close. -forrest On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: So this could be an option to switch -48vdc on and off without a problem? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: For DC: From 0-30V: 2 Amps. Above 30V: 60 Watts. (If you need amps above 30v, divide 60 by your voltage: For example, at 60V, it's 1A). I'm not going to tell you how much the maximum relay voltage is at DC since I don't want to encourage you putting that much voltage through this device, and I'd have to check PCB and connector ratings to see what you could actually put through. Let's just say it's a lot more than 60VDC. This applies to any sitemonitor device with a built-in relay: PoE4, PoE8, 6 Relay, the mixed relay out/switch in modules, the temperature control module, and the base unit. And possibly one I forgot. -forrest On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
I've known this, and always assume everything I post is publicly available. On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wirel...@htn.net'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:31:41 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
So this could be an option to switch -48vdc on and off without a problem? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: For DC: From 0-30V: 2 Amps. Above 30V: 60 Watts. (If you need amps above 30v, divide 60 by your voltage: For example, at 60V, it's 1A). I'm not going to tell you how much the maximum relay voltage is at DC since I don't want to encourage you putting that much voltage through this device, and I'd have to check PCB and connector ratings to see what you could actually put through. Let's just say it's a lot more than 60VDC. This applies to any sitemonitor device with a built-in relay: PoE4, PoE8, 6 Relay, the mixed relay out/switch in modules, the temperature control module, and the base unit. And possibly one I forgot. -forrest On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already
Can't speak for the ePmp because we have none, (and I don't know if 450 is afflicted because ours is managed in private network only) but FSK and public IP do not mix unless you set the ACL to your NOC or block telnet at head of your network. Script kiddies just hammer telnet trying to break in and the FSK don't handle it well and just stack dump and reboot, typically on a ten minute basis or thereabouts. Firmware version doesn't matter. I never saw the wireshark dump from the guys troubleshooting it, but I was told the telnet requests hitting the things were staggering. The next beta for the 450's has a no telnet, ssh only option if I recall. Whether that definitively fixes the problem or not though is yet to be seen - not holding our breath for it to trickle to FSK anyway. I don't have any event logs handy to compare, and it's the only thing similar to Mark's problem I've seen that has recently started causing radios to do this for us. I dunno, maybe it's a 13.2.1 thing too. /shrug -Steve D On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Like this one? http://208.74.35.70/ John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Steve D bigd...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:43pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Publicly accessible IP on the radio? On Mar 10, 2015 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: Probably a good guess. Seems to have arrived after 13.1.3. Affects some customers pretty regularly, others not at all. Given that we use NAT for nearly everyone it accounts for a fair number of customers. Mark On 3/10/15 9:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM? *From:* Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Dear Cambium, Can we please get this SM issue fixed? It's getting really old. System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT; 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError() 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : Stack Dump information: Current context Task: NAPT Current Stack: 2% Max Stack: 26% r0: r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: r4: 007930a4 r5: r6: r7: fffe r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10: r11: 0001 r12: 00bf1380 r13: r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c r16: r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000 r28: r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64 Task Stack Dump: 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef Mark -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
The older orange ones *may* be ok for the same rating. The datasheet from NEC on the orange relays is inconsistent. In the printed specs it says exactly the same thing as the new relay - 2A or 60W whichever is less. However, in the chart section of the datasheet, the graph shows a 1A maximum to 30V, and then approximately 30W. I'm not sure which one to trust, so I always specified the lower rating. There is a newer version of the datasheet (from the company which bought the NEC relay line) which shows a consistent 2A/60W for the orange relays as well. I wish I had a more specific answer about the older ones - but this is exactly why I switched to the newer units. -forrest On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:21 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] For Free GD26-MT
I recycle those things. Just dropped off a load today actually. 240 lb. scored me $4.80 ($40.00/NT) Big money! On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: I have a bunch of 24” grid antennas- free for local pickup or on your shipping account. New in box, maybe 50 or so of them. http://goo.gl/6HAlm3 `S
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry!!!!!!!!
Is arch...@mail-archive.com subscribed to the list? From: Gerard Dupont III Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry https://www.mail-archive.com/af@afmug.com/ On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Steve, I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don’t find any of it on google. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
lol Sent from my iPad Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 10, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:31:41 PM Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
This is on Apex Lynx Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: ...yet so far. Don't count on 6 or 11GHz being any lower than 70 watts. On 3/10/2015 8:23 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: But its so close [image: Inline image 1] Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:21 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry!!!!!!!!
ePMP100 management interface available Via Public IP (at least PPPoE) and can't be disabled and any other issue of this nature. Was going to be fixed in next release. Still going strong in 2.4 _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk forour industry That is how the archives are done. The subject came up months ago about having people be able to see the list archives without subscribing. I don't want to speak for Chuck M., but am pretty sure that the answer was that it wasn't a big deal. I have never thought of the list as secret in any way, seeing anybody is allowed to subscribe to monitor it without scrutiny as to who they are. But, OK. I'll bite. Why would someone seeing this list be a security risk for our industry? :-) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry Is arch...@mail-archive.com subscribed to the list? From: Gerard Dupont III mailto:ger...@shelbybb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry https://www.mail-archive.com/af@afmug.com/ On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Steve, I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don't find any of it on google. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can't be good .. Steve
[AFMUG] Looking for 10gbe switch.
Anyone know of a reasonable 24port 10gbe switch with 40gbe uplink?
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
My search was about ePMP and CNUT working. _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry Steve, I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don't find any of it on google. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can't be good .. Steve
Re: [AFMUG] semi-OT: SLOW graphs cacti w/chrome
I tried running it on my old Windows XP machine. Same problem.
I did run the developer's profile tool, and it is spending a lot of time
(most of it in fact) in ftiens4.js. See below. Something about painting
the tree.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
chromegraphCPUprofile.PNG
On 3/7/2015 6:01 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
I want to say that's the exact same problem I was seeing the other
day. Chrome kept freaking out saying connection lost or something like
that, and it was only happening when going through Cacti pages.
Closed/reopen Chrome, reboot my PC, and then... a couple hours later,
it just went away. I assume the Google changed some crap and messed it
up like they usually do. I don't know how to force gupdate to run. So
I just did something else for a while because it was pissing me off. I
hate it, it's a memory hog and uses lots of CPU cycles. But it lets me
have all of my bookmarks and passwords sync'd across all devices and PCs.
My version is the same as yours currently. This was a couple days ago
too. So I'm not sure that has anything to do with it. Have you tried
Chrome on another PC?
But Thursday night, I also migrated my Cacti over to a new machine.
The old one started running dogshit slow a couple months ago. I found
out that one of the CPUs sorta half failed. One of the logical
processors, aka hyper-threads, will not start. The kernel says CPU
not responding - cannot use it at boot. And I think that socket is
also tied to the half of the PCI bus that runs the RAID controller
slot. The thing is well over 10 years old, so it got some good life.
The new machine is dual socket with 6-core Hyper-threaded Xeons each
and lots more RAM. It's.. fast. I get a 30 graph page in under 2
seconds now. It would take like 2 minutes to get a net-flow report,
now it's about 5 seconds.
On 3/7/2015 2:23 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
For about the last week, I've been seeing extremely _S_L_O_W_ graph
rendering in cacti, but only when I use a chrome browser. Both
firefox and IE at least 10X faster. An average subscriber with 8
graphs takes about 1 second if the browser is firefox or IE, but
chrome takes something like 20 seconds; sometimes even longer (one
time ~~ 45 seconds).
I thought maybe it was an extension or something, so I turned off
extensions and stripped it down to next to nothing. No help. So I
am guessing this is some issue with the way that rrdtool renders the
graph(s) and the way that chrome interprets it or something.
When I do the operation in either firefox or IE, the CPU utilization
goes up for a brief little blip. When rendering in chrome, CPU
utilization goes up to ~~ 50-60% and stays there until the page is
rendered; 20, 30, sometimes 40 seconds. I also get timeout notices
from chrome. I tell it to wait, and eventually the page is
rendered
My setup:
Windows 8.1 x64 (whatever the latest update is)
chrome Version 41.0.2272.76 m (64-bit)
firefox Version 36.0.1
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry!!!!!!!!
That is how the archives are done. The subject came up months ago about having people be able to see the list archives without subscribing. I don’t want to speak for Chuck M., but am pretty sure that the answer was that it wasn’t a big deal. I have never thought of the list as “secret” in any way, seeing anybody is allowed to subscribe to monitor it without scrutiny as to who they are. But, OK… “I’ll bite”. Why would someone seeing this list be a “security risk for our industry”? ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry Is arch...@mail-archive.commailto:arch...@mail-archive.com subscribed to the list? From: Gerard Dupont IIImailto:ger...@shelbybb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry https://www.mail-archive.com/af@afmug.com/ On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Steve, I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don’t find any of it on google. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
But its so close [image: Inline image 1] Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:21 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
The old archives were and still are available through web access (without registration) to my knowledge -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
...yet so far. Don't count on 6 or 11GHz being any lower than 70 watts. On 3/10/2015 8:23 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: But its so close Inline image 1 Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:21 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it's a new-ish unit (RevH) with the black relays, Forrest said they are safe for ~60W @ ~48VDC. So if you're asking about running AF power through them, yes. Trango licensed, no way. The older orange Omron relays could do about half the power, so be careful with those. I still have quite a few in the field. On 3/10/2015 7:36 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 tel:630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 tel:630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already
I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM? From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already Dear Cambium, Can we please get this SM issue fixed? It's getting really old. System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT; 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError() 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : Stack Dump information: Current context Task: NAPT Current Stack: 2% Max Stack: 26% r0: r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: r4: 007930a4 r5: r6: r7: fffe r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10: r11: 0001 r12: 00bf1380 r13: r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c r16: r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000 r28: r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64 Task Stack Dump: 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef Mark
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
Has anyone tried these ethernet/coax extenders?
They're made by a company called Veracity. They claim to extend either
ethernet or coax plus POE at distances up to 1 km (depending on media type).
http://streakwave.com/items.asp?Cc=Eth-PoE-Extend
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 3:00 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will
integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top
applications.
I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past
few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with
slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various
configuration options, etc)
Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to
get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there
are any which seem to work better or worse than others.
So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters
could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models
work and which don't.
Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
Would just use a 2011 ☺ cheap, simple, and lots of options ☺ Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I personally like something with an interface so that I can troubleshoot. With most media converters you're just going at it blind. On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.commailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote: I seem to have exactly the same problem with switches, especially the smaller ones. I'd really like something frame transparent, and most switches seem to be anything but. That said if there's a really good small switch which seems more reliable than a media converter, I'm all ears. On Mar 10, 2015 4:09 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','afmu...@gmail.com'); wrote: Not that this helps… but my overall experience with media converters has been poor (high failure rates, data errors, odd negotiation, etc.). Might be worth taking apart a few switches to see how they do it. Have had much better luck overall with switches. Of course I can’t give any specifics, been a very long time since I have used a media convertor so maybe they have gotten better over the last few years. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com'); Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:01 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
I was thinking something like a 2011 or 750up with an SFP for feed, POE out for equipment. One fiber for data, use a Cat5 for power, 4+ POE ports at the top. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:00 AM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
MOCA On Monday, March 9, 2015, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Price? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
[AFMUG] For Free GD26-MT
I have a bunch of 24 grid antennas- free for local pickup or on your shipping account. New in box, maybe 50 or so of them. http://goo.gl/6HAlm3 `S
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
AAAEEeeii!!!
New list server inserts crap for double spaces! is this the modern
equivalent of slapping the back of our hands with a ruler?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
What issues would there be reversing the bracket?� Reason I ask is
that we have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also
sloped.� Turning the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way
to deal with this (like the text drawing below), and it would still
allow a round pipe on the outside.
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Will be available from your favorite dealer. Once they get it from us... From: Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Price? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 4:11 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
When I did security camera installs, I had seen adapters that were ethernet over coax (unknown protocol, I think 50mbit throughput) with a 12/48v Poe output at the far end. Those could be used to run an SM fully over a coax line. I can look up model numbers if anyone wants. On Mar 9, 2015 2:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
I get it. Don't do retro text drawings because the AWS gods will slap
you silly.
So what I want to do is reverse the inside bracket (as shown in the top
of this image), and move the U-bolt to the outside. I can accomplish
most of the desired result by using two of these pipe-to-pipe clamps.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know folks that have reversed the clamp and put M-TOWs on angle iron.
Can�t visualize the drawing.
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
What issues would there be reversing the bracket?� Reason I ask is
that we have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also
sloped.� Turning the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way
to deal with this (like the text drawing below), and it would still
allow a round pipe on the outside.
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���� /� � /
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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator
Well do you want to use miles and GHz or meters or feet KHz or or or? This formula may be for meters and cycles per second. That is what the constant does, the 32.44 it adjusts for units. Then the Gt and Gr are the gains of the antennas I presume. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:05 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator Which one 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. or 20logD + 20log F + 32.44 -Gt -Gr = FSPL where t is tx pwr and r is receiver sensitivity. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator
Yep, I think this is the formula for meters and MHz: FSL = 32.5 + 20 log F + 20 Log D Where: D = Km F = MHz If Gt and Gr were gains, they would be additive – not subtracted, so I’m unclear as to what these actually stand for. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:11 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator Well do you want to use miles and GHz or meters or feet KHz or or or? This formula may be for meters and cycles per second. That is what the constant does, the 32.44 it adjusts for units. Then the Gt and Gr are the gains of the antennas I presume. From: Jaime Solorzamailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:05 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator Which one 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. or 20logD + 20log F + 32.44 -Gt -Gr = FSPL where t is tx pwr and r is receiver sensitivity. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Tower space is cheap in there.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Well, unless you want to mount inside the tower...
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
What issues would there be reversing the bracket?� Reason I ask is that we
have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also sloped.� Turning
the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way to deal with this (like the
text drawing below), and it would still allow a round pipe on the outside.
��� |��� |
� �� \ �� \
���� /� � /
��� |��� |
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
I know folks that have reversed the clamp and put M-TOWs on angle iron.
Can’t visualize the drawing.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
What issues would there be reversing the bracket?� Reason I ask is that we
have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also sloped.� Turning
the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way to deal with this (like the
text drawing below), and it would still allow a round pipe on the outside.
��� |��� |
� �� \ �� \
���� /� � /
��� |��� |
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP
Glad at least someone did it. I'm on with technical support now. I can do a view, refresh and it communicates with the device. Here's the associated CNUT log: 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Updating Selected Network Elements process start .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO ePMP-2.4.pkg3 loaded. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Starting Update Process .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Queue NE:192.168.23.4 for updating 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Checking Network Element Status (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Current = 2.3.3, U-Boot 9350_PX 1.1.4.a (Mar 9 2014 - 22:27:28), 2.4 Ghz GPS Synchronized (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Using Package Q:\Motorola\cnut3 packages\epmp\v2.4\ePMP-2.4.pkg3 (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 WARN Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Sending Upgrade command with URL: http://192.168.131.111:80/141183694/ePMP-GPS_Synced-v2.4.tar.gz (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Upgrade command sent successfully. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Monitoring the device for Update. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Uploading image to device (SITE= CambiumNetworks) It hangs here and I have to cancel the process. Steve B _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP Yeah I've used it. Make sure your usernames and passwords are correct On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net wrote: Has anyone been able to get CNUT working on the ePMP platform? I'm running CNUT 4.8 and can't get past Uploading Image to device then upload failed. There is no entry in the radio Log file on the failed attempt. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point at the bottom. On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom! From: Colin Stanners Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point at the bottom. On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
We all need uptilt to make sure we stay in favor of our inevitable alien overlords. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
What issues would there be reversing the bracket? Reason I ask is that
we have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also sloped.
Turning the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way to deal with
this (like the text drawing below), and it would still allow a round
pipe on the outside.
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||
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP
Yeah I've used it. Make sure your usernames and passwords are correct On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net wrote: Has anyone been able to get CNUT working on the ePMP platform? I’m running CNUT 4.8 and can’t get past “Uploading Image to device” then upload failed. There is no entry in the radio Log file on the failed attempt. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator
i want to sleep.i was asked about my calculations and they sent me that formula. I had seen it before but I use the one you do for quick stuff and use RM or other calculators with more bells and whistles to do actual. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Well do you want to use miles and GHz or meters or feet KHz or or or? This formula may be for meters and cycles per second. That is what the constant does, the 32.44 it adjusts for units. Then the Gt and Gr are the gains of the antennas I presume. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator Which one 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. or 20logD + 20log F + 32.44 -Gt -Gr = FSPL where t is tx pwr and r is receiver sensitivity. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
Have you run before and after link tests within the software? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:18pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link). This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) [ geo...@cbcast.com ]( mailto:geo...@cbcast.com ) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. Not available for DFS bands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: Ray Savich [ ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ]( mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at [ http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ]( http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ) Ray Join the Conversation [ Cambium Networks Community Forum ]( http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ )
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
That's a problem of the OOBE issue.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I also wonder with MIMO systems why the V/H or -45/+45 polarities are not
considered separate transmitters (because they are). In which case each
one should be allowed up to the limit?
AND... What allows UBNT to transmit at up to 27 dbm, yet PMP450 is limited
to 22 dbm? What's different there that I don't understand? 5 dbm is a
bunch in my book. Is it OOB that is the issue here?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Personally I also feel there is a flaw in the way EIRP is regulated on
FHSS systems. The limit in 900 MHz is on total EIRP, not power spectral
density. Somehow the FCC feels it is OK to concentrate 4 watts in one
narrow hopping sub-channel as long as the dwell time isn’t too long.
That’s like saying you can use a magnifying glass to concentrate sunlight
on a single ant and it won’t hurt the ant as long as you move it to a
different ant every second. No, you end up with a bunch of smoking ant
carcasses on the sidewalk.
Also the smartgrid mesh networks seem to violate the spirit of the
requirement that you can’t get around the EIRP limit by using multiple
transmitters to send the same data, for example in a MIMO system.
*From:* Jeremy Grip g...@nbnworks.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
+1
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and
smart meters.
While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take
it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of
using the spectrum for commercial purposes.
By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter
in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised
the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed
communications.
So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for
its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in
affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of
unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they
expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum.
I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy
in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units.
*Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
My apologies, WISPA has been working diligently with Mimosa, UBNT, Cambium,
and FastBack Networks regarding this issue of OOBE. I thought Cambium made
that statement, but it might have been about ePMP.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I’m not sure it’s quite that simple. First, regulatory limits aside, I
believe the PMP450 hardware is only capable of 22 dBm total (19 + 19).
Second, it doesn’t change with modulation, while depending on which
Ubiquiti radio you’re looking at, it probably changes with modulation.
Third, with a 17 dBi antenna at the AP, you are only allowed 19 dBm total
(16 + 16) in MIMO mode even under the old 15.247 rules because the EIRP is
limited to +36 dBm. (CPE is considered PTP and allowed higher EIRP but
that may now run into the 15.407 OOBE issue) So even under 15.247, you
would only be able to use 27 dBm xmt power at the AP if your antenna gain
was 9 dBi or less.
*From:* Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:15 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
That's a problem of the OOBE issue.
Regards,
Chuck
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I also wonder with MIMO systems why the V/H or -45/+45 polarities are not
considered separate transmitters (because they are). In which case each
one should be allowed up to the limit?
AND... What allows UBNT to transmit at up to 27 dbm, yet PMP450 is
limited to 22 dbm? What's different there that I don't understand? 5 dbm
is a bunch in my book. Is it OOB that is the issue here?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 10:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Personally I also feel there is a flaw in the way EIRP is regulated on
FHSS systems. The limit in 900 MHz is on total EIRP, not power spectral
density. Somehow the FCC feels it is OK to concentrate 4 watts in one
narrow hopping sub-channel as long as the dwell time isn’t too long.
That’s like saying you can use a magnifying glass to concentrate sunlight
on a single ant and it won’t hurt the ant as long as you move it to a
different ant every second. No, you end up with a bunch of smoking ant
carcasses on the sidewalk.
Also the smartgrid mesh networks seem to violate the spirit of the
requirement that you can’t get around the EIRP limit by using multiple
transmitters to send the same data, for example in a MIMO system.
*From:* Jeremy Grip g...@nbnworks.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
+1
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and
smart meters.
While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to
take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance
of using the spectrum for commercial purposes.
By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power
meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has
raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed
communications.
So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for
its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in
affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of
unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they
expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum.
I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can
deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million
units.
*Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available * New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes.*Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
We have one of those in Mason. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 10, 2015 5:10 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom! *From:* Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point at the bottom. On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Getting it right, hopefully
Oh! You had the inside/outside reversed too! So the consequences are
nil, because I just want to turn around the inside-most angle clamp.
What kind of load will this handle? Can I mount a PMP450/3GHz with
sector antenna on it? The 3650 dual-slant sector is 28 tall, and 5 wide.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 2:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Let’s try this.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Wow, I did not expect to see that... creative tower design. On Mar 10, 2015 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom! *From:* Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point at the bottom. On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Getting it right, hopefully
We have not done testing yet, but it is approx. twice as stout as a regular
M-TOW minus the leverage (moment arm) caused by being 24” out there. I am sure
it will handle a 450 plus antenna.
My old shop had some nice pipe bollards cemented in the ground back in WWII
times. I tested lots of stuff to destruction on those pipes and never budged
them. Looks like it is time to replicate something like that.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting it right, hopefully
Oh! You had the inside/outside reversed too! So the consequences are nil,
because I just want to turn around the inside-most angle clamp.
What kind of load will this handle? Can I mount a PMP450/3GHz with sector
antenna on it? The 3650 dual-slant sector is 28 tall, and 5 wide.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 2:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Let’s try this.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
That is just... wrong.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 2:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom!
*From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point
at the bottom.
On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
I did run a test before and after between the Mikrotik routers at each end of the link, it was averaging just over 50Mbps before and after - this was using a 20mhz channel with a fairly high noise floor, which is unfortunately the best I can do without shutting down some other stuff on these towers. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:58 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Have you run before and after link tests within the software? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:18pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link). This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Yes... I'm sure this is what you had in mind when you drew that :P On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom! *From:* Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point at the bottom. On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you! Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
WAV had something similar at their booth, might even be the same that you point out here. DC powered, single and dual SFPs, 4-8 copper with and w/o PoE options, temperature tolerance. Not sure if they're managed, I would prefer managed if it's not on the ground. So Forrest, I don't think you need to invent something. Unless you just want to. :) On 3/10/2015 9:41 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: We use Antaira. They are less expensive than most others we have found, but they seem to be pretty good quality. We use the 8 port switch version for most tower boxes and are quite happy with them and I can't recall the last SFP that went bad on us. Model: LNX-1002G-SFP ($459 MSRP) 8 copper Gig ports and 2 SFP ports. http://www.antaira.com/products/industrial-ethernet/unmanaged-switches/gigabit-switches/lnx-1002g-sfp?pid=5299 They also have an extended temp version but we haven't ever bought them and we have had very few failures related to heat.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
That's what I was told. 2.5ms will be coming to ePMP eventually. Maybe
in.. release 2.5? ;)
5ms for 3GHz is fine. But 2.4 and 5GHz is never going to happen, there's
simply too much FSK out there. Something will happen for FSK later on
down the road, but I do not expect 5ms framing. FSK will not be gone for
3-4 more years, it's just too reliable.
On 3/10/2015 12:30 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I may have misunderstood, but I thought they were also working on
2.5ms for ePMP.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that on the roadmap? I thought the sync implementation on the
ePMP would not allow for 2.5 ms sync?
I thought the way they were going to address this was to allow 5
ms sync on PMP450?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 11:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy?
Re: [AFMUG] kWh/month and actual W load figures for new 256QAM radios
AF5X is half the voltage. It runs on a 1 amp psu I think too. For wattage I bet that's your answer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 10, 2015 7:23 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Looking at the mimosa b5c, AF5X and other new low cost 256QAM radios for an off grid solar application. Will be used with the tycon dc-dc poet injectors. Manufacturers, do you gave any real world figures for constant W load? Are the figures for wattage in your datasheets as measured on the AC or DC side of the POE injectors included with your radios? At latitudes above 49 north, we need to calculate very precise kilowatt hour per month figures to survive reliably through December and January.
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP
I had the same problem and I gave up several weeks ago. Not enough time to mess with it, so I've been upgrading radios using their GUIs for now. It appears to me that ePMP uses CNUT's HTTP/S server to download the images, which is different than use AP as file server for Canopy auto-update. CNUT doesn't push the image to the device. So make sure the CNUT HTTP server is running. And you firewall isn't in the way. And/or NAT issues. And I could be totally wrong. On 3/10/2015 3:42 PM, Wireless Admin wrote: Glad at least someone did it. I�m on with technical support now. I can do a view, refresh and it communicates with the device. Here�s the associated CNUT log: 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Updating Selected Network Elements process start .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO ePMP-2.4.pkg3 loaded. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Starting Update Process .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO Queue NE:192.168.23.4 for updating 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Checking Network Element Status (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Current = 2.3.3, U-Boot 9350_PX 1.1.4.a (Mar 9 2014 - 22:27:28), 2.4 Ghz GPS Synchronized (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Using Package Q:\Motorola\cnut3 packages\epmp\v2.4\ePMP-2.4.pkg3 (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 WARN Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Sending Upgrade command with URL: http://192.168.131.111:80/141183694/ePMP-GPS_Synced-v2.4.tar.gz (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Upgrade command sent successfully. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Monitoring the device for Update. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Uploading image to device (SITE= CambiumNetworks) It hangs here and I have to cancel the process. Steve B *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP Yeah I've used it. Make sure your usernames and passwords are correct On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net mailto:wirel...@htn.net wrote: Has anyone been able to get CNUT working on the ePMP platform? I�m running CNUT 4.8 and can�t get past �Uploading Image to device� then upload failed. There is no entry in the radio Log file on the failed attempt. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] kWh/month and actual W load figures for new 256QAM radios
I would recommend (lacking any other information) that if you're going
to be running those things in a solar application that you want the
highest voltage you can. Probably a 48 volt system. For an AirFiber,
that is still going to be a constant 1 amp load. That's 1.2 KWH per day.
At 49 north, you won't have many hours to recover, even on a sunny day.
I would try to get a week's worth (Chuck would say 10 days worth) in the
2 hours of sunlight you might get on the winter solstice.
So. That would be 1200 WH * 10 = 12,000 WH (aka 12 KWH). You need
to be able to generate 6KW per hour.
On my little scratch pad, that is going to be about 25 300 watt panels
(best to figure about 80% efficiency on your solar panels).
I shudder to think how much battery that is, and that is only one radio.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Watts is watts.
If you're drawing (for example) 50 watts.
110 VAC at ~~ .45 amps is 50 watts
48 VDC at ~~ 1 amp is 50 watts
24VDC at ~~ 2 amps is 50 watts
Looking at power consumption in watts eliminates having to figure out
what the voltage is.
It does not deal with conversions though. The aforementioned 110VAC
will surely involve some conversion efficiencies (or lack thereof).
Not having any specific information, I figure at least 10% loss each
time you convert. So if you're powering an AF24 on 110VAC, you can
rule of thumb estimate that the real amperage (on the 110 VAC is going
to be closer to .5 amps (instead of .45 mentioned above).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 4:23 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:
Looking at the mimosa b5c, AF5X and other new low cost 256QAM radios
for an off grid solar application.
Will be used with the tycon dc-dc poet injectors.
Manufacturers, do you gave any real world figures for constant W
load? Are the figures for wattage in your datasheets as measured on
the AC or DC side of the POE injectors included with your radios?
At latitudes above 49 north, we need to calculate very precise
kilowatt hour per month figures to survive reliably through December
and January.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
Interesting. I used the Cambium link tester and followed up with Mikrotik. Weird John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:42pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I did run a test before and after between the Mikrotik routers at each end of the link, it was averaging just over 50Mbps before and after - this was using a 20mhz channel with a fairly high noise floor, which is unfortunately the best I can do without shutting down some other stuff on these towers. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:58 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: Have you run before and after link tests within the software? John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard [ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com ) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:18pm To: af [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link). This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) [ geo...@cbcast.com ]( mailto:geo...@cbcast.com ) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. Not available for DFS bands. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: Ray Savich [ ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ]( mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at [ http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ]( http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ) Ray Join the Conversation [ Cambium Networks Community Forum ]( http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ )
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP
Thanks for commenting here. Ill post the answer here once I get it running. I tried turning firewall off but no dice. Steve _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 7:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP I had the same problem and I gave up several weeks ago. Not enough time to mess with it, so I've been upgrading radios using their GUIs for now. It appears to me that ePMP uses CNUT's HTTP/S server to download the images, which is different than use AP as file server for Canopy auto-update. CNUT doesn't push the image to the device. So make sure the CNUT HTTP server is running. And you firewall isn't in the way. And/or NAT issues. And I could be totally wrong. On 3/10/2015 3:42 PM, Wireless Admin wrote: Glad at least someone did it.� I�m on with technical support now.� I can do a view, refresh and it communicates with the device.� Here�s the associated CNUT log: � 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO�� ���������� Updating Selected Network Elements process start .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO�� ���������� ePMP-2.4.pkg3 loaded. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO�� ���������� Starting Update Process .. 03/10/15 16:30:37 INFO�� ���������� Queue NE:192.168.23.4 for updating 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Checking Network Element Status (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Current = 2.3.3, U-Boot 9350_PX 1.1.4.a (Mar� 9 2014 - 22:27:28), 2.4 Ghz GPS Synchronized (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Using Package Q:\Motorola\cnut3 packages\epmp\v2.4\ePMP-2.4.pkg3 (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 WARN�� ������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Sending Upgrade command with URL: http://192.168.131.111:80/141183694/ePMP-GPS_Synced-v2.4.tar.gz (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Upgrade command sent successfully. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Monitoring the device for Update. (SITE= CambiumNetworks) 03/10/15 16:30:38 INFO�� ���������� Host: 192.168.23.4;ESN: 000456CA109C;Message: Uploading image to device (SITE= CambiumNetworks) � It hangs here and I have to cancel the process. � Steve B � _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNUT to update ePMP � Yeah I've used it. � Make sure your usernames and passwords are correct On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net wrote: Has anyone been able to get CNUT working on the ePMP platform?� I�m running CNUT 4.8 and can�t get past �Uploading Image to device� then upload failed.� There is no entry in the radio Log file on the failed attempt. � Steve B.
[AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can't be good .. Steve
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
The Watchers.oh wait that Old Testament book of Daniel. ..NSA Jaime Solorza On Mar 10, 2015 6:31 PM, Wireless Admin wirel...@htn.net wrote: I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already indexed by Google (top of the list) for the world to see. This can’t be good …… Steve
[AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
