Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. Seeing these speeds is the norm. ryan -- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047 On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know. I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over. I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago. One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why not?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hey, So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price. Travis -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Ya why the hell would you punish yourself by accepting that... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 1:25 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: Oh hell no, we would be second guessing equipment failures for the next year.. I.e. hey you know that radio that failed, has imbalanced chains, or whatever, was it one of the BBQ radios? I’d rather start with a clean slate, we carry enough stock to survive a missed shipment. Personally, I would have accepted the shipment with notes written on the receipt. It's possible only 1 or 2 units were actually damaged... and I wouldn't have wanted to wait for another shipment to arrive.
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
They were just trying to make it easier for you to unpack them... :P On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
There is some beta firmware available, but you'll have to use the un-char activation code to unlock this feature ;) On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Try upgrading the firmware. Surely there’s beta firmware that fixes fire and water damage. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 12:04 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. They were just trying to make it easier for you to unpack them... :P On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Try upgrading the firmware. Surely there’s beta firmware that fixes fire and water damage. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 12:04 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. They were just trying to make it easier for you to unpack them... :P On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
ha, yeah, but without the gas you are competing with the grocery stores lower prices on your inflated retail On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Sling TV seems to think the opposite. http://www.businessinsider.com/sling-tv-ceo-is-not-afraid-of-apple-2015-6 I suspect the cable companies are already viewing their business as broadband, and would happily give up dealing with all the content owners constantly wanting more money, and just be the big dumb pipe. Kind of like threatening gas stations that you will take away their lucrative fuel business, leaving them to just sell milk, beer, cigarettes, snacks and lottery tickets. Oops, turns out you don’t make money on gas, all the profits come from the mini mart. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:57 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and then send you tv over IPTV. Called VOD. Video over Data. I think that if coax plant is still out there 10 years from now, it will be done this way. The money is in the data, not the TV. *From:* D. Ryan Spott rsp...@ngc457.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. Seeing these speeds is the norm. ryan -- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047 On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know. I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over. I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago. One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why not?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hey, So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price. Travis -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Don't talk about that outside the beta forum! On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Try upgrading the firmware. Surely there’s beta firmware that fixes fire and water damage. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 12:04 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. They were just trying to make it easier for you to unpack them... :P On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Does it require new labels? On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: There is some beta firmware available, but you'll have to use the un-char activation code to unlock this feature ;) On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Try upgrading the firmware. Surely there’s beta firmware that fixes fire and water damage. *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 12:04 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. They were just trying to make it easier for you to unpack them... :P On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Personally, I would have accepted the shipment with notes written on the receipt. It's possible only 1 or 2 units were actually damaged... and I wouldn't have wanted to wait for another shipment to arrive. Travis On 7/7/2015 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know. I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over. I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago. One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why not?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hey, So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price. Travis -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] reusing vlan IDs
I decided to use the last octet of the connecting subnet ID, it adds
another layer of complexity, but probably avoids some future disaster. Ill
probably regret doing this down the road when we his 723 million customers
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com wrote:
On Mikrotik, if you put vlan 40, say, on interface 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, but
don’t actually bridge any of them together, or trunk them on layer 2,
they’ll never see each other.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, July 6, 2015 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] reusing vlan IDs
On a MT?
AFAIK, the VLANs on one port are not connected to the VLANs on another
port. In other words, each VLAN is like a new port.
You could then bridge ether1-VLANxyz to ether2-VLANxyz if you were so
inclined.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/6/2015 9:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Will I break the internet of things of I reuse the same vlan ID on
multiple ports
This is solely for simplified deployment of site routers since it turns
out I need my OSPF subnets on vlans so I dont have to keep track of a
billion vlan IDs as well as a billion /30s
The ports would not be bridged, just share a VLAN ID
I assume this is a big No No, more curious on the impact of doing so
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data and then send you tv over IPTV. Called VOD. Video over Data. I think that if coax plant is still out there 10 years from now, it will be done this way. The money is in the data, not the TV. From: D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CableOne The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders. Seeing these speeds is the norm. ryan -- D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc broadband | telco | colo | communities PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294 425-939-0047 On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know. I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he told me, 80mb over and over. I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago. One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS 3... Why not?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hey, So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for $33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet, but that's pretty impressive for the price. Travis -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Oh hell no, we would be second guessing equipment failures for the next year.. I.e. hey you know that radio that failed, has imbalanced chains, or whatever, was it one of the BBQ radios? I’d rather start with a clean slate, we carry enough stock to survive a missed shipment. Personally, I would have accepted the shipment with notes written on the receipt. It's possible only 1 or 2 units were actually damaged... and I wouldn't have wanted to wait for another shipment to arrive.
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Yeah, I have done it both ways. Depends on how bad you want it. But if you see forklift damage to a roll of fiber, fugetaboudit. From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Personally, I would have accepted the shipment with notes written on the receipt. It's possible only 1 or 2 units were actually damaged... and I wouldn't have wanted to wait for another shipment to arrive. Travis On 7/7/2015 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: LOL!!! I'm certainly glad you didn't blindly accept the shipment. How daft can some possibly get?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: At some point during shipping, the entire palette caught on fire. The exterior cardboard boxes mostly burned away, and some of the interior white boxes were partly burned. There was also water damage indicating someone put the fire out. Then, post burning and water, they re-wrapped the pallet and attempted to deliver it. Pretty ballsy that the shipping company thought it was ‘OK’ and that we would accept delivery in this condition. Given that the entire thing was on fire, there is no telling how hot of an environment these were in and what short or long term damage was done to the electronics. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
[AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too).
I'm currently in the market for an additional 430 and/or 320 AP for testing purposes here. They need to be connectorized, as I will be using them for sync compatibility testing by connecting them to a RF detector and observing the actual TX transmission timing in relation to the input synchronization pulses. Because I consider my 320/430 sync products to be nearing their end of life (just due to the fact that we don't sell a lot more), I'm not willing to pay an enormous amount for them. These will only be used on the bench here, so ones that are cosmetically unacceptable but still work are perfectly acceptable here. Send me a email off-list if you have one or both types floating around. -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
[AFMUG] SyncInjector Early Early Beta self-resetting firmware.
It looks like I'm pretty much ready to release this code - provided that the upgrade-into-real-devices tests goes well tomorrow.However, I'm not particularly eager to throw this up on the website for anyone to grab based on the fact that I'm going to be not in the office for the entirety of next week. If someone wants this code to test, I'm happy to send them a care package this Tuesday or Wednesday (providing I don't hit an unexpected snag with the packaging and upgrade tests tomorrow), provided they understand that if something goes wrong I'm probably not going to be able to throw together an emergency fix until at least the 20th. -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
Depends on how quick you need them. A little company I know makes all kinds of stuff like that: www.mccowntech.com From: Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them? I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
Assuming they have reasonable rates. Our county is charging $90/month for residential drops (just the customer side of the drop, you still need to pay for your aggregation port, transport, transit, support, etc. Oh, yeah, and they didn't pay for it, either. BTOP grant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 8:25:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Another stance could be to tell them that they have to open it up for other players to ride their fiber.. Think if you can come in and go, for xyz install, and you supply the bandwidth, you can charge what you want, and deliver xyz bandwidth. Now you are riding their fiber, and deliver to your customers, if you bulid it now, and convert them to fiber when it comes then you are good, they are bearing the cost of the fiber installation (the most expensive part) and you are just paying for transit.. If and when their business model goes kaput, you would be in a great position to buy it for pennies on the dollar as you already have a vested interest in it. Just another thought. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? The common assumption is that Internet prices are greatly inflated due to lack of competition, and if there were more competition, a price war would ensue and prices would drop dramatically. Not sure if this is true, but if so, the likely result would be covering just the operating costs, or even not that if other people’s money is being used to cover the losses. Eventually you end up with infrastructure that has not been properly maintained and upgraded, like has happened with the copper infrastructure. OK, fiber might need less maintenance and upgrades than copper, but I’m sure they would find a way to let it fall apart due to neglect. If nothing else, people seem to keep cutting fiber, accidentally or on purpose. I find it interesting that around us, we typically have 4-5 WISPs fighting over a sparsely populated rural area, not to mention satellite and mobile broadband plus DSL and cable in town. Yet I don’t see a race to the bottom on prices among the WISPs. And the ones that try to price a little lower tend to have oversubscription and reliability problems. I think there’s a realization that while you could compete primarily on price, you wouldn’t bring in enough revenue to build/maintain/upgrade a quality network, and your service would suck. If not immediately, then over time. So the competition tends to be more on service and who has a tower with LOS to a particular customer. Other people’s money (federal, municipal, or outside investors) alter this thinking, but eventually you have to pay the piper. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af
Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
Nello from places like Tessco. If you want a small one with a 1.66” pipe, I have used these: http://www.aisatellite.com/files/product/pdf/NPR-18C3.pdf I’m not sure I’d put a dish on it in a high wind area. From: Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them? I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
[AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings
I've got a bunch of old stuff lying around. Pulls from PDQ. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 6:42:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings The earliest FSK stuff I have is 0a-00-3e-f0's and f1's. Those are P9 5.7. 03 and 04, maybe P8's? Possibly even P7's. Could be 5.2 or 5.4GHz though. Still really old. You should take pictures. On 7/6/2015 3:12 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: Anything cambium except epmp at the orthagon PTP stuff So either FSK, 430 450 gear On Monday, July 6, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Like anything Cambium or are you meaning old school Canopy like 100, 450, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 2:46:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings 0A:00:3E is canopy hardware On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Anyone recognize these MACs on ether3? That OUI isn't in the IEEE OUI list, so it's not a real, hardware address. [admin@Yorkville Grande Reserve] /interface bridge host print Flags: L - local, E - external-fdb BRIDGE MAC-ADDRESS ON-INTERFACE AGE L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:70 ether1 - Local 0s L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:72 ether3 0s Local 00:26:B9:D6:61:02 ether1 - Local 0s Local 0A:00:3E:03:5B:96 ether3 20s Local 0A:00:3E:04:6B:5A ether3 1m6s Production isn't bridged, just sitting here for testing at the moment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 2:16:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings Down to just one. One of them apparently wasn't upgraded to 2.1 or beyond yet (2.0) and had the old GUI and IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:13:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings Any of you had any issues with Cambium radios coming up, but not responding to pings? I tried 169.254.1.1, 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2. These are all newer than the migration to 169.254. I seem to have three radios on a tower doing that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings
I was like this story sounds familiar... oh, it's George ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 8:10:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings When I was at Cambium HQ a month or two ago, Tom pulled out the Altair's. Here, this is the size of your PC, but it's wireless! On 7/6/2015 8:06 PM, Tushar Patel wrote: I did visit that museum, it is or was good one. Good history on radio, two way and how cell phone came about. Tushar On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: blockquote Maybe Cambium will buy them back for the Cambium museum. (Motorola had a museum. Not sure what happened to it as Motorola split into a thousand pieces.) From: George Skorup Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 6:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings The earliest FSK stuff I have is 0a-00-3e-f0's and f1's. Those are P9 5.7. 03 and 04, maybe P8's? Possibly even P7's. Could be 5.2 or 5.4GHz though. Still really old. You should take pictures. On 7/6/2015 3:12 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: blockquote Anything cambium except epmp at the orthagon PTP stuff So either FSK, 430 450 gear On Monday, July 6, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Like anything Cambium or are you meaning old school Canopy like 100, 450, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us') ; To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com') ; Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 2:46:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings 0A:00:3E is canopy hardware On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Anyone recognize these MACs on ether3? That OUI isn't in the IEEE OUI list, so it's not a real, hardware address. [admin@Yorkville Grande Reserve] /interface bridge host print Flags: L - local, E - external-fdb BRIDGE MAC-ADDRESS ON-INTERFACE AGE L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:70 ether1 - Local 0s L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:72 ether3 0s Local 00:26:B9:D6:61:02 ether1 - Local 0s Local 0A:00:3E:03:5B:96 ether3 20s Local 0A:00:3E:04:6B:5A ether3 1m6s Production isn't bridged, just sitting here for testing at the moment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com') ; Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 2:16:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings Down to just one. One of them apparently wasn't upgraded to 2.1 or beyond yet (2.0) and had the old GUI and IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 1:13:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings Any of you had any issues with Cambium radios coming up, but not responding to pings? I tried 169.254.1.1, 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2. These are all newer than the migration to 169.254. I seem to have three radios on a tower doing that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
[AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
Tessco stocks all the various styles of non-pens and has quick delivery.. Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 12:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them? I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320too).
we have an unrepairable 320 ap, i assume you want functional though Please please dont DC the 320 syninjectors. Im stuck with these piece of shit radios and finally got approval to move everything to syncinjectors and Im only about half way there. I will send you my old lady in exchange, shes not much to look at, but she makes a good meatloaf and can clean like its her job. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’m not sure there’s a non connectorized AP. *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320too). Witchcraft! On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You can put a probe and crystal detector in front of them and get RF that way without connectorizing them. 1/4 wave probe and detector on a scope cable. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:29 AM *To:* af *Subject:* [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too). I'm currently in the market for an additional 430 and/or 320 AP for testing purposes here. They need to be connectorized, as I will be using them for sync compatibility testing by connecting them to a RF detector and observing the actual TX transmission timing in relation to the input synchronization pulses. Because I consider my 320/430 sync products to be nearing their end of life (just due to the fact that we don't sell a lot more), I'm not willing to pay an enormous amount for them. These will only be used on the bench here, so ones that are cosmetically unacceptable but still work are perfectly acceptable here. Send me a email off-list if you have one or both types floating around. -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','forre...@imach.com'); | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings
Yeah, the angry old white man. On 7/7/2015 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I was like this story sounds familiar... oh, it's George ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 8:10:50 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings When I was at Cambium HQ a month or two ago, Tom pulled out the Altair's. Here, this is the size of your PC, but it's wireless! On 7/6/2015 8:06 PM, Tushar Patel wrote: I did visit that museum, it is or was good one. Good history on radio, two way and how cell phone came about. Tushar On Jul 6, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe Cambium will buy them back for the Cambium museum. (Motorola had a museum. Not sure what happened to it as Motorola split into a thousand pieces.) *From:* George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 6:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings The earliest FSK stuff I have is 0a-00-3e-f0's and f1's. Those are P9 5.7. 03 and 04, maybe P8's? Possibly even P7's. Could be 5.2 or 5.4GHz though. Still really old. You should take pictures. On 7/6/2015 3:12 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: Anything cambium except epmp at the orthagon PTP stuff So either FSK, 430 450 gear On Monday, July 6, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Like anything Cambium or are you meaning old school Canopy like 100, 450, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Sean Heskett javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 2:46:41 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings 0A:00:3E is canopy hardware On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Anyone recognize these MACs on ether3? That OUI isn't in the IEEE OUI list, so it's not a real, hardware address. [admin@Yorkville Grande Reserve] /interface bridge host print Flags: L - local, E - external-fdb BRIDGE MAC-ADDRESS ON-INTERFACE AGE L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:70 ether1 - Local 0s L Local 00:0C:42:75:D7:72 ether3 0s Local 00:26:B9:D6:61:02 ether1 - Local 0s Local 0A:00:3E:03:5B:96 ether3 20s Local 0A:00:3E:04:6B:5A ether3 1m6s Production isn't bridged, just sitting here for testing at the moment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 2:16:33 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP no pings Down to just one. One of them apparently wasn't upgraded to 2.1 or beyond yet (2.0) and had the old GUI and IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 1:13:14 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP no pings Any of you had any issues with Cambium radios coming up, but not responding to pings? I tried 169.254.1.1, 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2. These are all newer than the migration to 169.254. I seem to have three radios on a tower doing that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
Mounting bracket? You mean the nub for the back of epmp radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
I think the proper way to mount them is to replace the ground lug with a flat head screw and use a hose clamp. but don't over tighten it... I don't wish to discuss how I know that's a bad idea... On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
[AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
Remove the grounding screw with a 2mm ? allen On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 and Spectrum Analysis Feature
430 interop SMs on 450APs use the 450 package. I think you need the 430 CNUT package for straight 430. On 7/7/2015 4:04 PM, Matt wrote: What is the SNMP command on 13.4 FSK AP to tell it to do a SA while simultaneously having all SM's do one as well?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
Good point. Also, I don't know about that specific bracket, but some of the non-ubnt Rocket mounts don't work with the AF5x because of the little pokers out the back. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: But the bracket uses a hose clamp... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:28 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: apparently he's anti-hose clamp. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
Right.. It's a pretty snug fit though, and there's no chance of the radio escaping the bracket. Also, the top cover fits perfectly over the radio, protecting the RF connectors, and keeping the top of radio in place. I wouldn't put it on a railroad bridge, but hanging off a tower, it would be just fine. Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's the only mounting point then right? No tabs or nubs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:16 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: right... the threaded bit on the Force dish. Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mounting bracket? You mean the nub for the back of epmp radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
But the bracket uses a hose clamp... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:28 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: apparently he's anti-hose clamp. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
The grounding screw lines up with the mount point on the Force dish. You can actually turn the radio and thread the ground screw into the bracket. You can add a grounding wire in there as well.. The only problem is that it makes radio replacement more difficult once it's on a tower. There are probably ways to overcome this, but it's simple enough to assemble another Force dish on the ground and replace the whole thing Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:06 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Remove the grounding screw with a 2mm ? allen On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
I played with doing the same thing with an AF5x on a Force 110 dish awhile back, there's a spot you can get a zip tie through that makes it pretty solid. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: Right.. It's a pretty snug fit though, and there's no chance of the radio escaping the bracket. Also, the top cover fits perfectly over the radio, protecting the RF connectors, and keeping the top of radio in place. I wouldn't put it on a railroad bridge, but hanging off a tower, it would be just fine. Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That's the only mounting point then right? No tabs or nubs? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:16 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: right... the threaded bit on the Force dish. Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mounting bracket? You mean the nub for the back of epmp radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
apparently he's anti-hose clamp. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
No, nothing against hose clamps. The heatsink thingies on the back of the AF5X do seem to be shorter in the middle, and there is that loop you can put a hoseclamp through, although it looks like you could break it by torquing down the hoseclamp too agressively. If that’s the best approach, my main problem would be the ground screw, which sticks out beyond the heatsink thingies. Just let that hit the pipe and don’t worry that it pushes the bottom of the radio out a little? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:28 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) apparently he's anti-hose clamp. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 and Spectrum Analysis Feature
The timed AP analyzer is now sector-wide SA. You can run just the AP by using continuous mode. On 7/7/2015 4:04 PM, Matt wrote: What is the SNMP command on 13.4 FSK AP to tell it to do a SA while simultaneously having all SM's do one as well?
Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4
Oops, other message went to the wrong thread. It's telling you that because you don't have the 430 (OFDM AES or DES) package loaded. CNUT won't use the 450 package for auto-update on a 430 AP. I think this confusion is coming from 430 SMs on 450 APs in interop mode. Only those SMs will take the 450 image from auto-update (when they're registered on a 450 AP). On 7/7/2015 3:42 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: I just tried to use the 450 firmware on auto update on a 430 AP to upgrade the SM's. CNUT told me No SM auto update packages available So should I just use the 430 build or is there a workaround?
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Or battery acid. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Looks like water ate the cheap brown cardboard. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 10:51 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like it caught on fire, got put out, and THEN they shrink wrapped it and shipped it. Is that right?? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Can I buy those as a lot ? I will pay $0.10 on the dollar. ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 11:40:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Wow! What is that? Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So I got this shipment of 50 powerbeams today, and I have to say, UBNT has really been working on their carbon neutral packaging.. image001.jpg Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Battery acid would destroy the plastic wrap, no? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Or battery acid. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Looks like water ate the cheap brown cardboard. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 10:51 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like it caught on fire, got put out, and THEN they shrink wrapped it and shipped it. Is that right?? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Can I buy those as a lot ? I will pay $0.10 on the dollar. ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org *Cc: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 11:40:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Wow! What is that? Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So I got this shipment of 50 powerbeams today, and I have to say, UBNT has really been working on their carbon neutral packaging.. image001.jpg *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Probably not. I have seen batteries in corrugated boxes that leaked and looked exactly like that. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Battery acid would destroy the plastic wrap, no? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Or battery acid. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Looks like water ate the cheap brown cardboard. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 10:51 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like it caught on fire, got put out, and THEN they shrink wrapped it and shipped it. Is that right?? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Can I buy those as a lot ? I will pay $0.10 on the dollar. ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org Cc: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 11:40:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Wow! What is that? Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So I got this shipment of 50 powerbeams today, and I have to say, UBNT has really been working on their carbon neutral packaging.. image001.jpg Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
On the topic of pricing, if anyone wants a good read about market prices/packages you can check out these two pricing studies I published while working on the Illinois Broadband Mapping project. The study did not go in to which technologies or which carriers had lowest prices but rather it shows which speed tiers are at which prices and the number of competitors. The appendix pages show the maps that correspond to the data tables in the main reports. The second report was conducted a year after the first so we also gave a change over time review. Illinois is a good state to look at for this information because there are a lot of WISPs in operation both rural and metro. Short summary: Speed tier offerings got faster. Prices stayed the same or slightly dropped. The idea that lack of competition keeps prices higher is proven false. The wireline carriers DID NOT target more affluent neighborhoods with better broadband packages. The more rural areas had prices higher than the metro markets. 2013 report is here http://www.broadbandillinois.org/Research/Internal-Research/Pricing-Report.html 2014 report at this link http://www.broadbandillinois.org/Research/Internal-Research/2015-Pricing-Report.html Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? The common assumption is that Internet prices are greatly inflated due to lack of competition, and if there were more competition, a price war would ensue and prices would drop dramatically. Not sure if this is true, but if so, the likely result would be covering just the operating costs, or even not that if other people’s money is being used to cover the losses. Eventually you end up with infrastructure that has not been properly maintained and upgraded, like has happened with the copper infrastructure. OK, fiber might need less maintenance and upgrades than copper, but I’m sure they would find a way to let it fall apart due to neglect. If nothing else, people seem to keep cutting fiber, accidentally or on purpose. I find it interesting that around us, we typically have 4-5 WISPs fighting over a sparsely populated rural area, not to mention satellite and mobile broadband plus DSL and cable in town. Yet I don’t see a race to the bottom on prices among the WISPs. And the ones that try to price a little lower tend to have oversubscription and reliability problems. I think there’s a realization that while you could compete primarily on price, you wouldn’t bring in enough revenue to build/maintain/upgrade a quality network, and your service would suck. If not immediately, then over time. So the competition tends to be more on service and who has a tower with LOS to a particular customer. Other people’s money (federal, municipal, or outside investors) alter this thinking, but eventually you have to pay the piper. From: Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
I don't know, does the same thing on the A/P and any of the SM's attached
to it. They all behave the exact same way.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We just did a bunch going from 13.4B10 - 13.4 release. No problems. You
may have a broken radio.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the
file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something,
it's there for life :-|
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then
upgrade to 13.4?
On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade
to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring
c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten
any answers there. Any ideas?
Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something, it's there for life :-| On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
Does the radio's event log show anything? On 7/7/2015 6:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something, it's there for life :-| On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
Doesn't appear to. Last thing in the event log was the reboot. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:40 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Does the radio's event log show anything? On 7/7/2015 6:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something, it's there for life :-| On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
2* is my guess On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat= Does this antenna have down tilt?
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
We just did a bunch going from 13.4B10 - 13.4 release. No problems. You
may have a broken radio.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring
the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on
something, it's there for life :-|
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to
13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4?
On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to
upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on
Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium
Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas?
Thanks.
[AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat= Does this antenna have down tilt?
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
Maybe a windows firewall issue? Do other radios update from that machine fine? Might try going on-site and trying the update locally. On 7/7/2015 6:43 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Doesn't appear to. Last thing in the event log was the reboot. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:40 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Does the radio's event log show anything? On 7/7/2015 6:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something, it's there for life :-| On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
No firewall on the machine, and it's the same one that I use for all our radio updates. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Maybe a windows firewall issue? Do other radios update from that machine fine? Might try going on-site and trying the update locally. On 7/7/2015 6:43 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Doesn't appear to. Last thing in the event log was the reboot. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:40 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Does the radio's event log show anything? On 7/7/2015 6:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote: Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring the file forever. Seems that once you put the Beta software on something, it's there for life :-| On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4? On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote: I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there. Any ideas? Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector Early Early Beta self-resetting firmware.
Forrest, I have a perfect test environment for this. My central tower has been impacted almost every day due to the lightning activity here. I have spare injectors to fall back on if needed. Please count me in !!! Steve B. _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:19 AM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] SyncInjector Early Early Beta self-resetting firmware. It looks like I'm pretty much ready to release this code - provided that the upgrade-into-real-devices tests goes well tomorrow.However, I'm not particularly eager to throw this up on the website for anyone to grab based on the fact that I'm going to be not in the office for the entirety of next week. If someone wants this code to test, I'm happy to send them a care package this Tuesday or Wednesday (providing I don't hit an unexpected snag with the packaging and upgrade tests tomorrow), provided they understand that if something goes wrong I'm probably not going to be able to throw together an emergency fix until at least the 20th. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 mailto:forre...@imach.com forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com/ http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_compose http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_activeuid=e96 5778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_activeuid=e96 5778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be hard to run the network at $50 per sub. Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote: About $40M is grant funding from the state for last mile services that is only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with property tax. I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, though. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Where is the funding coming from? I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over built. *From:* Christopher Gray cg...@graytechsoftware.com *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Several of the rural towns in my planned coverage area are looking into municipal fiber (average density about 10 premises per fiber mile, all above ground). They're claiming $50 for 25 Mbps service, $79 for 100 Mbps, and $109 for 1 Gbps. They already have funding authorized in about half of the towns they are targeting... but they'd be about 3 years from providing any service. Is it reasonable or possible to compete with such a thing? Should I ignore any area that plans to fund this, or might it be worth getting a foothold before their system is lit? Thanks - Chris -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell
Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees. Identical to L-Com part? Same plots. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni 2* is my guess On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81Cat= Does this antenna have down tilt?
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
+1 they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their ipad connected. On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be hard to run the network at $50 per sub. Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray cg...@graytechsoftware.com mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote: About $40M is grant funding from the state for last mile services that is only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with property tax. I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, though. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Where is the funding coming from? I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over built. *From:*Christopher Gray mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com *Sent:*Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Several of the rural towns in my planned coverage area are looking into municipal fiber (average density about 10 premises per fiber mile, all above ground). They're claiming $50 for 25 Mbps service, $79 for 100 Mbps, and $109 for 1 Gbps. They already have funding authorized in about half of the towns they are targeting... but they'd be about 3 years from providing any service. Is it reasonable or possible to compete with such a thing? Should I ignore any area that plans to fund this, or might it be worth getting a foothold before their system is lit? Thanks - Chris -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell --
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
I thought they made the screw stick out so it was 'dummy proof'. That way even if you don't ground it the screw makes contact with the tower/pole and makes a ground. I don't know why anyone wouldn't ground a $300 radio though... On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: That loop most definitely can break... fairly easily, but it's fine as long as you don't torque it down too much. It didn't seem to me like it would work very well to let it sit against the ground screw that's there, but if you just take it out (it does have a hex head) and replace it with a flat head screw it should sit nice and flat. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: No, nothing against hose clamps. The heatsink thingies on the back of the AF5X do seem to be shorter in the middle, and there is that loop you can put a hoseclamp through, although it looks like you could break it by torquing down the hoseclamp too agressively. If that’s the best approach, my main problem would be the ground screw, which sticks out beyond the heatsink thingies. Just let that hit the pipe and don’t worry that it pushes the bottom of the radio out a little? *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:28 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) apparently he's anti-hose clamp. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What's the point of that? The af5x and Rocket can already use a hose clamp. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are tabs to latch it where? Are you assuming I am using a Ubiquiti dish? These are Radiowaves dishes (2 ft at one end, 3 ft at the other) that are already on the tower. Should I be looking at something like this? http://www.balticnetworks.com/rf-elements-easybracket-s-brocket-wall-pole-mount-for-ubiquiti-rockets-and-unifi-outdoor-series.html *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 4:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish) Jeremy put it right on the dish. There are tabs to latch it, but I like his idea of only using the two and longer jumpers. This leaves room for the GPS connector. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
Another stance could be to tell them that they have to open it up for other players to ride their fiber.. Think if you can come in and go, for xyz install, and you supply the bandwidth, you can charge what you want, and deliver xyz bandwidth. Now you are riding their fiber, and deliver to your customers, if you bulid it now, and convert them to fiber when it comes then you are good, they are bearing the cost of the fiber installation (the most expensive part) and you are just paying for transit.. If and when their business model goes kaput, you would be in a great position to buy it for pennies on the dollar as you already have a vested interest in it.Just another thought. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? The common assumption is that Internet prices are greatly inflated due to lack of competition, and if there were more competition, a price war would ensue and prices would drop dramatically. Not sure if this is true, but if so, the likely result would be covering just the operating costs, or even not that if other people’s money is being used to cover the losses. Eventually you end up with infrastructure that has not been properly maintained and upgraded, like has happened with the copper infrastructure. OK, fiber might need less maintenance and upgrades than copper, but I’m sure they would find a way to let it fall apart due to neglect. If nothing else, people seem to keep cutting fiber, accidentally or on purpose. I find it interesting that around us, we typically have 4-5 WISPs fighting over a sparsely populated rural area, not to mention satellite and mobile broadband plus DSL and cable in town. Yet I don’t see a race to the bottom on prices among the WISPs. And the ones that try to price a little lower tend to have oversubscription and reliability problems. I think there’s a realization that while you could compete primarily on price, you wouldn’t bring in enough revenue to build/maintain/upgrade a quality network, and your service would suck. If not immediately, then over time. So the competition tends to be more on service and who has a tower with LOS to a particular customer. Other people’s money (federal, municipal, or outside investors) alter this thinking, but eventually you have to pay the piper. From: Lewis Bergmanmailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:03 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.commailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.comhttp://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.comhttp://www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be hard to run the network at $50 per sub. Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and there isn't much to go wrong
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
The common assumption is that Internet prices are greatly inflated due to lack of competition, and if there were more competition, a price war would ensue and prices would drop dramatically. Not sure if this is true, but if so, the likely result would be covering just the operating costs, or even not that if other people’s money is being used to cover the losses. Eventually you end up with infrastructure that has not been properly maintained and upgraded, like has happened with the copper infrastructure. OK, fiber might need less maintenance and upgrades than copper, but I’m sure they would find a way to let it fall apart due to neglect. If nothing else, people seem to keep cutting fiber, accidentally or on purpose. I find it interesting that around us, we typically have 4-5 WISPs fighting over a sparsely populated rural area, not to mention satellite and mobile broadband plus DSL and cable in town. Yet I don’t see a race to the bottom on prices among the WISPs. And the ones that try to price a little lower tend to have oversubscription and reliability problems. I think there’s a realization that while you could compete primarily on price, you wouldn’t bring in enough revenue to build/maintain/upgrade a quality network, and your service would suck. If not immediately, then over time. So the competition tends to be more on service and who has a tower with LOS to a particular customer. Other people’s money (federal, municipal, or outside investors) alter this thinking, but eventually you have to pay the piper. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be hard to run the network at $50 per sub. Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote: About $40M is grant funding from the state for last mile services that is only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with property tax. I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, though. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Where is the funding coming from? I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over built. From: Christopher Gray Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Several of the rural towns in my planned coverage area
Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too).
You can put a probe and crystal detector in front of them and get RF that way without connectorizing them. 1/4 wave probe and detector on a scope cable. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:29 AM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too). I'm currently in the market for an additional 430 and/or 320 AP for testing purposes here. They need to be connectorized, as I will be using them for sync compatibility testing by connecting them to a RF detector and observing the actual TX transmission timing in relation to the input synchronization pulses. Because I consider my 320/430 sync products to be nearing their end of life (just due to the fact that we don't sell a lot more), I'm not willing to pay an enormous amount for them. These will only be used on the bench here, so ones that are cosmetically unacceptable but still work are perfectly acceptable here. Send me a email off-list if you have one or both types floating around. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
Check out UTOPIA for a good case study. There are plenty more too. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 6:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? 100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic there is no use explaining it to them. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have not even started building yet. Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take over and expand the system. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be hard to run the network at $50 per sub. Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote: About $40M is grant funding from the state for last mile services that is only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with property tax. I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, though. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Where is the funding coming from? I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over built. From: Christopher Gray Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber? Several of the rural towns in my planned coverage area are looking into municipal fiber (average density about 10 premises per fiber mile, all above ground). They're claiming $50 for 25 Mbps service, $79 for 100 Mbps, and $109 for 1 Gbps. They already have funding authorized in about half of the towns they are targeting... but they'd be about 3 years from providing any service. Is it reasonable or possible to compete with such a thing? Should I ignore any area that plans to fund this, or might it be worth getting a foothold before their system is lit? Thanks - Chris -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell
Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too).
Witchcraft! On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You can put a probe and crystal detector in front of them and get RF that way without connectorizing them. 1/4 wave probe and detector on a scope cable. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','li...@packetflux.com'); *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:29 AM *To:* af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too). I'm currently in the market for an additional 430 and/or 320 AP for testing purposes here. They need to be connectorized, as I will be using them for sync compatibility testing by connecting them to a RF detector and observing the actual TX transmission timing in relation to the input synchronization pulses. Because I consider my 320/430 sync products to be nearing their end of life (just due to the fact that we don't sell a lot more), I'm not willing to pay an enormous amount for them. These will only be used on the bench here, so ones that are cosmetically unacceptable but still work are perfectly acceptable here. Send me a email off-list if you have one or both types floating around. -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','forre...@imach.com'); | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320too).
I’m not sure there’s a non connectorized AP. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320too). Witchcraft! On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You can put a probe and crystal detector in front of them and get RF that way without connectorizing them. 1/4 wave probe and detector on a scope cable. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 1:29 AM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Would like a 430 connectorized AP (and possibly a 320 too). I'm currently in the market for an additional 430 and/or 320 AP for testing purposes here. They need to be connectorized, as I will be using them for sync compatibility testing by connecting them to a RF detector and observing the actual TX transmission timing in relation to the input synchronization pulses. Because I consider my 320/430 sync products to be nearing their end of life (just due to the fact that we don't sell a lot more), I'm not willing to pay an enormous amount for them. These will only be used on the bench here, so ones that are cosmetically unacceptable but still work are perfectly acceptable here. Send me a email off-list if you have one or both types floating around. -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','forre...@imach.com'); | http://www.packetflux.com
[AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 and Spectrum Analysis Feature
What is the SNMP command on 13.4 FSK AP to tell it to do a SA while simultaneously having all SM's do one as well?
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 and Spectrum Analysis Feature
CNUT keeps telling me that there aren't any available packages when I try to use the 450 pkg on 430 SM's. got any tips? On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 3:13 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: 430 interop SMs on 450APs use the 450 package. I think you need the 430 CNUT package for straight 430. On 7/7/2015 4:04 PM, Matt wrote: What is the SNMP command on 13.4 FSK AP to tell it to do a SA while simultaneously having all SM's do one as well? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] mounting AF5X to tower (non UBNT dish)
right... the threaded bit on the Force dish. Vlad On 7/7/2015 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mounting bracket? You mean the nub for the back of epmp radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 5:05 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com mailto:v...@atlasok.com wrote: We mounted a pair of AF5X radios to Cambium Force dishes. They work quite well.. With a bit of effort, you could even get the mounting screw to go into the mounting bracket. Vlad On 7/7/2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What have people been doing to mount the AF5X radio when using a generic, non Ubiquiti dish? So there is no Rocket bracket to clip it to? In this case I am replacing some old Trango 5010 PTP radios and using the existing Radiowaves dishes. There's a place on the back of the radio that you could pass a hoseclamp through, but that doesn't seem right, especially since the ground screw sticks out too far for that to work well. Photos anyone?
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
It looks like it caught on fire, got put out, and THEN they shrink wrapped it and shipped it. Is that right?? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Can I buy those as a lot ? I will pay $0.10 on the dollar. ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org *Cc: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 11:40:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Wow! What is that? Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So I got this shipment of 50 powerbeams today, and I have to say, UBNT has really been working on their carbon neutral packaging.. image001.jpg *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging..
Looks like water ate the cheap brown cardboard. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 7, 2015 10:51 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like it caught on fire, got put out, and THEN they shrink wrapped it and shipped it. Is that right?? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Can I buy those as a lot ? I will pay $0.10 on the dollar. ? :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org *Cc: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, July 6, 2015 11:40:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Check out the new powerbeam packaging.. Wow! What is that? Thanks, Ben On Jul 6, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote: So I got this shipment of 50 powerbeams today, and I have to say, UBNT has really been working on their carbon neutral packaging.. image001.jpg *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list ubnt_us...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
