Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

heya!! look who it is!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jacob 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 12:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead


  I believe they have emergency support available at 920-351-1010.

  Hope that helps!


  On 8/5/2015 12:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

IIRC the only need for DNS is validity to confirm the license for the 
pretty graphs.

Is the BMU up to date?

My guess would be something is causing the probe script to hang, but it's 
tough to say.  Call in the AM :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:53 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping it 
was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on the VHD. 
This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode datastore 16 
core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two lightly hit DNS 
servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so not likely an external 
issue


  On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?

Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before 
though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about 
every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates the 
probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes worked 
during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent reboots would not 
replicate the temporary functionality. 


  I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are 
working, so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some 
point in the polling as best I can tell


  On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully 
its just us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes 
off on the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a 
communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure. 
  The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive 
removed mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs, 
restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work. 
  I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram 
since the coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this 
happen occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command 
and burning sage.
  Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to 
using the statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how 
much i try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day tomorrow 
migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable hangover is 
going to make this situation salty



  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





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  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[Jacob]

I believe they have emergency support available at 920-351-1010.

Hope that helps!

On 8/5/2015 12:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


IIRC the only need for DNS is validity to confirm the license for the 
pretty graphs.


Is the BMU up to date?

My guess would be something is causing the probe script to hang, but 
it's tough to say.  Call in the AM :/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:53 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning
hoping it was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of
91gb space on the VHD. This is a massive virtual server terabyte
raid 10 array powercode datastore 16 core 64gb ram host. Only
thing on it is powercode and two lightly hit DNS servers behind a
firewall that shows little traffic, so not likely an external issue

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?

Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot
before though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are
busted, about every tenth click on reprobe gives me a
green box, but it never populates the probes. I rebooted
the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes
worked during the resync, but failed again at some point,
subsequent reboots would not replicate the temporary
functionality.

I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that
are working, so it seems the entire module is failing, not
just hanging at some point in the polling as best I can tell

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

So probes are what's busted? What about bandwidth
collection?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

anybody using powercode and your monitoring is
dead? Hopefully its just us and not systemic.
Apparently they tested and they can kick probes
off on the back end, its just not logging. real
time tools work, so its not a communication issue,
we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
The entire network monitoring component seems to
be croaked. Ive removed mirrors, minimized down to
a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs,
restarted the billing server, cussed and got
drunk, nothing seems to work.
I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness
at bertram since the coup so Im reaching out to
the community hoping somebody has this happen
occasionally and its something like running some
archaic linux command and burning sage.
Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick
when it comes to using the statuses as it is and
this is going to be a disaster, no matter how much
i try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff
tied up all day tomorrow migrating an office
domain so that coupled with the inevitable
hangover is going to make this situation salty

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[Josh Luthman]

IIRC the only need for DNS is validity to confirm the license for the
pretty graphs.

Is the BMU up to date?

My guess would be something is causing the probe script to hang, but it's
tough to say.  Call in the AM :/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 5, 2015 12:53 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping it
> was that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on the
> VHD. This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode
> datastore 16 core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two
> lightly hit DNS servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so not
> likely an external issue
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?
>>
>> Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before
>> though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about
>>> every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates
>>> the probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes
>>> worked during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent
>>> reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.
>>>
>>> I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are working,
>>> so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some point in
>>> the polling as best I can tell
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its
> just us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes
> off on the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its 
> not
> a communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive
> removed mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted
> BMUs, restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to
> work.
> I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since
> the coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this
> happen occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux
> command and burning sage.
> Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using
> the statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how
> much i try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day
> tomorrow migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable
> hangover is going to make this situation salty
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Monitoring is certainly working heregot an alert about 30 minutes ago about 
a roughly  five-minute outage

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2015 11:45 PM

bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about every 
tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates the probes. 
I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes worked during 
the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent reboots would not 
replicate the temporary functionality.
I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are working, so it 
seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some point in the 
polling as best I can tell

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:
So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just 
us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on the 
back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a 
communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.The 
entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive removed mirrors, 
minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs, restarted the 
billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work. 
I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the coup so 
Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen occasionally 
and its something like running some archaic linux command and burning sage.
Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using the 
statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how much i try 
to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day tomorrow migrating an 
office domain so that coupled with the inevitable hangover is going to make 
this situation salty
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team..










-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Rebooted this evening, pushed the pending update this morning hoping it was
that (two revisions pending) no joy.Im at 20gb of 91gb space on the VHD.
This is a massive virtual server terabyte raid 10 array powercode datastore
16 core 64gb ram host. Only thing on it is powercode and two lightly hit
DNS servers behind a firewall that shows little traffic, so not likely an
external issue

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?
>
> Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before
> though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about
>> every tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates
>> the probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes
>> worked during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent
>> reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.
>>
>> I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are working,
>> so it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some point in
>> the polling as best I can tell
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just
 us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on
 the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a
 communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
 The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive
 removed mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted
 BMUs, restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to
 work.
 I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the
 coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen
 occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command and
 burning sage.
 Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using
 the statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how
 much i try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day
 tomorrow migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable
 hangover is going to make this situation salty

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[Josh Luthman]

Disk full?  Are you monitoring the servers health?

Might want to try rebooting the billing server, do a snapshot before though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 5, 2015 12:45 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about every
> tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates the
> probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes
> worked during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent
> reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.
>
> I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are working, so
> it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some point in
> the polling as best I can tell
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just
>>> us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on
>>> the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a
>>> communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
>>> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive removed
>>> mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs,
>>> restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work.
>>> I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the
>>> coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen
>>> occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command and
>>> burning sage.
>>> Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using
>>> the statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how
>>> much i try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day
>>> tomorrow migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable
>>> hangover is going to make this situation salty
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

bandwidth gathering seems to be functional, probes are busted, about every
tenth click on reprobe gives me a green box, but it never populates the
probes. I rebooted the bmu when the mirror was still present and probes
worked during the resync, but failed again at some point, subsequent
reboots would not replicate the temporary functionality.

I cannot find any devices, customer or infrastructure that are working, so
it seems the entire module is failing, not just hanging at some point in
the polling as best I can tell

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just
>> us and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on
>> the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a
>> communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
>> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive removed
>> mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs,
>> restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work.
>> I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the
>> coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen
>> occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command and
>> burning sage.
>> Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using the
>> statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how much i
>> try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day tomorrow
>> migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable hangover is
>> going to make this situation salty
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[Josh Luthman]

So probes are what's busted?  What about bandwidth collection?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 5, 2015 12:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just us
> and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on
> the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a
> communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
> The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive removed
> mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs,
> restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work.
> I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the
> coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen
> occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command and
> burning sage.
> Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using the
> statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how much i
> try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day tomorrow
> migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable hangover is
> going to make this situation salty
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] powercode monitoring dead

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

anybody using powercode and your monitoring is dead? Hopefully its just us
and not systemic. Apparently they tested and they can kick probes off on
the back end, its just not logging. real time tools work, so its not a
communication issue, we didnt make any system changes near the failure.
The entire network monitoring component seems to be croaked. Ive removed
mirrors, minimized down to a single bmu, synchronized, restarted BMUs,
restarted the billing server, cussed and got drunk, nothing seems to work.
I cant say Im all that excited with responsiveness at bertram since the
coup so Im reaching out to the community hoping somebody has this happen
occasionally and its something like running some archaic linux command and
burning sage.
Our customer facing staff is bright as a brick when it comes to using the
statuses as it is and this is going to be a disaster, no matter how much i
try to show them. We have 3/4 technical staff tied up all day tomorrow
migrating an office domain so that coupled with the inevitable hangover is
going to make this situation salty

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

Is it 25MHz?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

Very small channels compared to 6 and 11.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Aug 4, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I have to shoot 54 miles so 6’ isn’t even big enough.  We were looking at 8’.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

In your area most likely:

http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html

Only place I’ve seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.  
Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.

Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas… 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.

Thank you,

Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: 
Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

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afterwards.” – Vern Law



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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Daniel White]

Pretty much in your area.

 

Not sure what your colleague is thinking. but the FCC has granted many
7GHz/13GHz licenses for private use so long as you're not in an exclusion
area.  

 

A frequency coordinator will be able to tell you if your in an exclusion
area.

 

Also consider possibly ETSI class 4 antennas (I think Comscope is the only
one with them for now) they may open up channels you may not be able to get
otherwise.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

 

There is no 6GHz available on the two towers that I looked at.  So are you
saying it's useless to apply for?

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

 

In your area most likely:

 

http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html

 

Only place I've seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.
Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.

 

Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas. 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

 

I'm being told it's only available to cable or TV companies.

 

Rory Conaway . Triad Wireless . CEO

4226 S. 37th Street . Phoenix . AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

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afterwards." - Vern Law

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Daniel White]

Every microwave vendor should have 7GHz and 13GHz… they are popular bands 
internationally.



Thank you,



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz



Is SAF the only vendor in 7GHz?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz



No... You just need to apply for it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 4, 2015 9:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote:

I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net 

www.triadwireless.net 



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afterwards.” – Vern Law





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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Very small channels compared to 6 and 11.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 4, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> I have to shoot 54 miles so 6’ isn’t even big enough.  We were looking at 8’.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz
>  
> In your area most likely:
>  
> http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html
>  
> Only place I’ve seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.  
> Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.
>  
> Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas… 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Daniel White
> afmu...@gmail.com
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz
>  
> I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
> afterwards.” – Vern Law
>  
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

I have to shoot 54 miles so 6' isn't even big enough.  We were looking at 8'.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

In your area most likely:

http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html

Only place I've seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.  
Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.

Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas... 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.

Thank you,

Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: 
Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

I'm being told it's only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law



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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

There is no 6GHz available on the two towers that I looked at.  So are you 
saying it's useless to apply for?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

In your area most likely:

http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html

Only place I've seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.  
Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.

Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas... 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.

Thank you,

Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: 
Twitter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

I'm being told it's only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law



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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

My colleague is telling me that nobody has applied for fixed PTP and the FCC is 
waiting for someone to apply and then file a legal challenge.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-120A1.pdf


From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards.” – Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Josh Luthman]

I doubt it but I don't know the others.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 9:14 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Is SAF the only vendor in 7GHz?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz
>
>
>
> No... You just need to apply for it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 4, 2015 9:02 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
> lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Daniel White]

In your area most likely:

 

http://www.comsearch.com/newsletter/WirelessPulse.html

 

Only place I've seen 13GHz used was the US Virgin Islands and rural Utah.
Everywhere else has sufficient spectrum in 11GHz or 6GHz.

 

Note 7GHz requires 6ft antennas. 13GHz requires at least 3ft antennas.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

 

I'm being told it's only available to cable or TV companies.

 

Rory Conaway . Triad Wireless . CEO

4226 S. 37th Street . Phoenix . AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson
afterwards." - Vern Law

 



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Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Ken Hohhof]

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-120A1.pdf


From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 8:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

 

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards.” – Vern Law

 

Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

Is SAF the only vendor in 7GHz?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz


No... You just need to apply for it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 9:02 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards.” – Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] Install Color code link test

[Sean Heskett]

What are the rest of the issues???

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:

> Linktest + ICC works correctly with 12.1+. 11.2 would cause the SM to
> crash and reset.
>
> Also, in 13.4 they made the SM bypass authentication when registering via
> ICC. That was one missing piece for true zero-touch remote provisioning.
> Now we just need the rest of the issues worked out with 13.4.
>
> On 8/4/2015 5:39 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if you can run a link test using the install color code?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Rush hour traffic :-/

[Lewis Bergman]

I need a dozen of those to keep my weds down.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, 7:34 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

>

Re: [AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Josh Luthman]

No... You just need to apply for it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 9:02 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’m being told it’s only available to cable or TV companies.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
> lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*
>
>
>

[AFMUG] what are the limitions on 7GHz and 13GHz

[Rory Conaway]

I'm being told it's only available to cable or TV companies.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson 
afterwards." - Vern Law

Re: [AFMUG] OT Rush hour traffic :-/

[Ken Hohhof]

That looks baad.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 7:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Rush hour traffic :-/

Re: [AFMUG] Sector Spectrum scan on FSK/PMP100?

[Bill Prince]

Outstanding!

Thanks George!

bp


On 8/4/2015 5:39 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Yup, works on 100 and 450. I don't have any 430.

On 8/4/2015 7:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I didn't expect the sector spectrum scan to be ported to the FSK 
platform, but as I read the release notes, it appears that it's 
there. Has anyone tried this on FSK? For that matter, has anyone 
tried this on the PMP4x0?

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, but nothing is enough for bank auditors, they want armed guards with
dod clearance escorting each data packet

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> What platform?
>
>
>
> Integra/Integra-S and PhoeniX-C has AES encryption you can purchase.
>
>
>
> Everything else… there isn’t a physical security layer like what you
> describe.  Narrow beamwidth parabolic antennas, proprietary radios, and the
> fac that the link would have to drop for another radio to register are
> security enough for most licensed installations.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> Skype: danieldwhite
> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question
>
>
>
> Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
> dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
> the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
> lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
> with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
> names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
> have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
> Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Sector Spectrum scan on FSK/PMP100?

[George Skorup]

Yup, works on 100 and 450. I don't have any 430.

On 8/4/2015 7:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I didn't expect the sector spectrum scan to be ported to the FSK 
platform, but as I read the release notes, it appears that it's there. 
Has anyone tried this on FSK? For that matter, has anyone tried this 
on the PMP4x0?

[AFMUG] Sector Spectrum scan on FSK/PMP100?

[Bill Prince]

I didn't expect the sector spectrum scan to be ported to the FSK 
platform, but as I read the release notes, it appears that it's there. 
Has anyone tried this on FSK? For that matter, has anyone tried this on 
the PMP4x0?



--

bp

[AFMUG] OT Rush hour traffic :-/

[Sean Heskett]

Re: [AFMUG] Install Color code link test

[George Skorup]

Linktest + ICC works correctly with 12.1+. 11.2 would cause the SM to 
crash and reset.


Also, in 13.4 they made the SM bypass authentication when registering 
via ICC. That was one missing piece for true zero-touch remote 
provisioning. Now we just need the rest of the issues worked out with 13.4.


On 8/4/2015 5:39 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

Does anyone know if you can run a link test using the install color code?

Re: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, alabama, elsewhere?

[Joseph Marsh]

Att phones back up

-Original Message-
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2015 3:50 PM
To: "outa...@outages.org" 
Cc: "memb...@wispa.org" ; "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, 
alabama,elsewhere?

 
No Verizon OR AT&T Cell service in parts of North Alabama (Cullman, Florence)
Isolated reports coming in from all over North Alabama.
At least one WISP reports an outage in TN - backbone is AT&T
Anonymous report from a friend who works at TVA tells me they have problems 
with all their MPLS connections.
 
Here is one news story linking to it:
 
http://whnt.com/2015/08/04/social-media-users-report-widespread-cell-outages/
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net and EPMP

[Tushar Patel]

We had similar problem with one customer,  Darren in our office ended up 
visiting customer and playing with different settings. What worked was, 
changing the MTU setting from auto to 1480.



Tushar


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> I've had a chance to work a little more with Speedtest.net and EPMP.  No 
> matter what I do, I cannot get a speedtest above 20x5 over an EPMP link.
> 
> I have an I3 server, setup with routing over EPMP (with Vlan) or Af5, OSPF 
> Controlling the routing.  They are terminating into the same router at the 
> tower.  The server stays on the same IP no matter which path is used.
> 
> Quick Drawing
> 
>Server
>|
>   Mikrotik 1
>   / \
> /   Vlan 1001
>   / \
>AF5   EPMP SM
> |  |
> |  |
>AF5   EPMP AP (PMP)
>\ /
>  \   Vlan1001
>\ /
>Mikrotik 2
> |
> To the Internet, and beyond!
> 
> Over the AF5, I'm getting 90-100mb sync (Expected based on channel size).  
> When I switch the traffic to the EPMP, it maxes at 20x5.  I have tried 
> Disabling QOS entirely in the EPMP AP, and there are no Queues setup in any 
> Mikrotik (and the Server IP Address is staying the same over each link)  The 
> Wireless Link test from the EPMP SM to the AP reports 55x30.  A Mikrotik 
> bandwidth test from 'The Internet' to the Mikrotik in front of the server 
> yields 50x12 over the EPMP. But every Speedtest.net run over the EPMP only 
> gets 20x5.
> 
> I'm sure there's something I'm missing, I'm just not sure what. Since All 
> Customer's care about is what the speedtest.net number says, anyone know what 
> I am missing?
> 
> Nate

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Adam Moffett]

It's not the smart ones who worry me :)

On 8/4/2015 7:25 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
We normally do. In this case, it was an enclosure in his barn... now 
that I think about it, he actually turned off the circuit breaker... 
which is kind of hard to stop if they really want to mess with it. 
That's the only time we had any of them intentionally mess with one of 
our towers - for the most part people are smart enough to know that's 
a bad idea.


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


yup



On 8/4/2015 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Do an outdoor enclosure.  Put warning stickers on.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 4, 2015 6:33 PM, "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on
a weekend to see what was going on, and when I got there he
told me he unplugged it because his connection wasn't working
and he wanted to get our attention. The problem turned out to
be that his router was unplugged, or something like that...
which was his fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told
him what was wrong, and it never happened again.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why are they unplugging the AP?



To make you pay attention to them.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Daniel White]

What platform? 

 

Integra/Integra-S and PhoeniX-C has AES encryption you can purchase.

 

Everything else. there isn't a physical security layer like what you
describe.  Narrow beamwidth parabolic antennas, proprietary radios, and the
fac that the link would have to drop for another radio to register are
security enough for most licensed installations.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

 

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the
link.   The radio linked right up but I can't seem to find a setting to lock
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn't an issue with
a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names
match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have
to match but they don't according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

 



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Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Mathew Howard]

We normally do. In this case, it was an enclosure in his barn... now that I
think about it, he actually turned off the circuit breaker... which is kind
of hard to stop if they really want to mess with it. That's the only time
we had any of them intentionally mess with one of our towers - for the most
part people are smart enough to know that's a bad idea.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> yup
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2015 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Do an outdoor enclosure.  Put warning stickers on.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 4, 2015 6:33 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>> We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on a weekend to
>> see what was going on, and when I got there he told me he unplugged it
>> because his connection wasn't working and he wanted to get our attention.
>> The problem turned out to be that his router was unplugged, or something
>> like that... which was his fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told
>> him what was wrong, and it never happened again.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen < 
>> se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
 Why are they unplugging the AP?

>>>
>>>
>>> To make you pay attention to them.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Mathew Howard]

oh... of course, I should have realized that.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Inside titanium conduit with alarm wire.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:28 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question
>
> Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to
> just plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower
> covering it up anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target
>> system radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link
>> up.  You are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a
>> movie I saw about 30 years ago.
>>
>> What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?
>>
>> *From:* Craig Schmaderer 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question
>>
>>
>> Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
>> dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
>> the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
>> lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
>> with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
>> names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
>> have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
>> Craig.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>>
>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>>
>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>>
>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Ken Hohhof]

warning sign generator:
http://www.says-it.com/safety/


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

yup



On 8/4/2015 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Do an outdoor enclosure.  Put warning stickers on.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Aug 4, 2015 6:33 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on a weekend to 
see what was going on, and when I got there he told me he unplugged it because 
his connection wasn't working and he wanted to get our attention. The problem 
turned out to be that his router was unplugged, or something like that... which 
was his fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told him what was wrong, and 
it never happened again. 


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why are they unplugging the AP?



  To make you pay attention to them.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Adam Moffett]

yup


On 8/4/2015 6:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Do an outdoor enclosure.  Put warning stickers on.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 4, 2015 6:33 PM, "Mathew Howard" > wrote:


We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on a
weekend to see what was going on, and when I got there he told me
he unplugged it because his connection wasn't working and he
wanted to get our attention. The problem turned out to be that his
router was unplugged, or something like that... which was his
fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told him what was wrong,
and it never happened again.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why are they unplugging the AP?



To make you pay attention to them.

~Seth

[AFMUG] Install Color code link test

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know if you can run a link test using the install color code?

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Josh Luthman]

Do an outdoor enclosure.  Put warning stickers on.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 6:33 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on a weekend to
> see what was going on, and when I got there he told me he unplugged it
> because his connection wasn't working and he wanted to get our attention.
> The problem turned out to be that his router was unplugged, or something
> like that... which was his fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told
> him what was wrong, and it never happened again.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Why are they unplugging the AP?
>>>
>>
>>
>> To make you pay attention to them.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Mathew Howard]

We had one unplug our tower once... I had to go out there on a weekend to
see what was going on, and when I got there he told me he unplugged it
because his connection wasn't working and he wanted to get our attention.
The problem turned out to be that his router was unplugged, or something
like that... which was his fault. He seemed very embarrassed when I told
him what was wrong, and it never happened again.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> Why are they unplugging the AP?
>>
>
>
> To make you pay attention to them.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Chuck McCown]

Inside titanium conduit with alarm wire.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:28 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to just 
plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower covering it up 
anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system 
radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.  You 
are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I saw 
about 30 years ago.   

  What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

  From: Craig Schmaderer 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

  Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.



  Craig R. Schmaderer

  CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

  Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

  Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Mathew Howard]

Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to
just plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower
covering it up anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system
> radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.
> You are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I
> saw about 30 years ago.
>
> What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question
>
>
> Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
> dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
> the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
> lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
> with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
> names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
> have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
> Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>
>
>

af@afmug.com

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

The issue on the RB1200 is a know issue and it is NOT effecting the RB1100 or 
any other router.  

It is a timing issue between that specific PPC chip and the ethernet chip that 
causes latency.  

You can easily bench test and find the issue by putting two RB1100’s with an 
RB1200 in the middle and speediest between the RB1100’s (or cloud core’s).


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com 


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> I haven't run into any issues on the RB1100's, but that could very well just 
> be because I haven't had anything with much load on those ports... on the 
> RB1200, they most certainly do suck - it would be much better if those ports 
> weren't even there.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> It's just killing me because I've been pulling my hair out trying to find an 
> ethernet or RF problem that isn't there.   Gr.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2015 2:54 PM, Gabriel Pike wrote:
>> The block diagram shows 9 & 10 on PCIe. I have had performance issues on 
>> both of these ports and have pulled most 1200 routers from production.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 11, 12 and 13 on the 1100 each have dedicated PCIe lanes to the CPU. I 
>> haven't really seen any issues with them, at least on the 1100AHx2. I have 
>> one original 1100 and one 1100AH left in the network and those aren't doing 
>> much. The bigger issue I've seen with the 1100AHx2 is the fans quit and the 
>> whole thing needs a power-cycle to get them going again. I've seen this on 
>> every single one I have deployed.
>> 
>> On 8/4/2015 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>> Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on 
>> routerboard.com  to see which ones are special. 
>> It's not EVERYTHING not ran through a switch chip, but darn near.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Adam Moffett"  
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>> 
>> RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>> The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>  http://www.ics-il.com 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>  http://www.midwest-ix.com 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Adam Moffett"  
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>> 
>> I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200 
>> underperform compared to the other ports.
>> 
>> Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been pulling my 
>> hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it 
>> turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.
>> 
>> Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Rory Conaway]

We ran into this once but a little discussion on legal issues stopped it pretty 
fast.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

Why are they unplugging the AP?  Just give them free Internet and here's the 
contract - you provide power, we provide Internet and insurance.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Personally these arrangements make me nervous.  Some of the AP hosts seem to 
have a major sense of entitlement with regards to how much help they want with 
their internal stuff.  Others are completely nice.

Imagine one of your really off the wall, crazy customers.  Now Imagine they 
have the power to unplug your AP's if they aren't happy.  How do you know ahead 
of time that the person isn't one of these crazies?

there's an economic case that can be made, but I'll always be nervous about 
it.

On 8/4/2015 4:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
+1 what Rory said.  Also make sure you get a written contract.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We give them free internet and provide them any indoor routers they may need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?


I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100 per month for 
power (even though we use less than $5.00).
On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a monthly 
basis.

Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally 5-10 
possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume location?

[I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and 1x omni 
on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I expect to 
regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local service.]

Thanks - Chris

af@afmug.com

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't run into any issues on the RB1100's, but that could very well
just be because I haven't had anything with much load on those ports... on
the RB1200, they most certainly do suck - it would be much better if those
ports weren't even there.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's just killing me because I've been pulling my hair out trying to find
> an ethernet or RF problem that isn't there.   Gr.
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2015 2:54 PM, Gabriel Pike wrote:
>
> The block diagram shows 9 & 10 on PCIe. I have had performance issues on
> both of these ports and have pulled most 1200 routers from production.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>
>
>
> 11, 12 and 13 on the 1100 each have dedicated PCIe lanes to the CPU. I
> haven't really seen any issues with them, at least on the 1100AHx2. I have
> one original 1100 and one 1100AH left in the network and those aren't doing
> much. The bigger issue I've seen with the 1100AHx2 is the fans quit and the
> whole thing needs a power-cycle to get them going again. I've seen this on
> every single one I have deployed.
>
> On 8/4/2015 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on
> routerboard.com to see which ones are special. It's not EVERYTHING not
> ran through a switch chip, but darn near.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>
> RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?
>
> On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10
>
> I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200
> underperform compared to the other ports.
>
> Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been pulling my
> hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it
> turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.
>
> Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net and EPMP

[Josh Luthman]

Is this ptp or ptmp?

Using eptp mode or tdd?

Only station?

I've got an eptp link up that does 60 by 95 meg every test.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 5:50 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I've had a chance to work a little more with Speedtest.net and EPMP.  No
> matter what I do, I cannot get a speedtest above 20x5 over an EPMP link.
>
> I have an I3 server, setup with routing over EPMP (with Vlan) or Af5, OSPF
> Controlling the routing.  They are terminating into the same router at the
> tower.  The server stays on the same IP no matter which path is used.
>
> Quick Drawing
>
> Server
> |
>Mikrotik 1
>/ \
>  /   Vlan 1001
>/ \
> AF5   EPMP SM
>  |  |
>  |  |
> AF5   EPMP AP (PMP)
> \ /
>   \   Vlan1001
> \ /
> Mikrotik 2
>  |
> To the Internet, and beyond!
>
> Over the AF5, I'm getting 90-100mb sync (Expected based on channel size).
> When I switch the traffic to the EPMP, it maxes at 20x5.  I have tried
> Disabling QOS entirely in the EPMP AP, and there are no Queues setup in any
> Mikrotik (and the Server IP Address is staying the same over each link)
> The Wireless Link test from the EPMP SM to the AP reports 55x30.  A
> Mikrotik bandwidth test from 'The Internet' to the Mikrotik in front of the
> server yields 50x12 over the EPMP. But every Speedtest.net run over the
> EPMP only gets 20x5.
>
> I'm sure there's something I'm missing, I'm just not sure what. Since All
> Customer's care about is what the speedtest.net number says, anyone know
> what I am missing?
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net and EPMP

[Ken Hohhof]

When you run the Mikrotik bandwidth test, what are the packet loss and 
latency like?  The two tests might use different criteria, Mikrotik 
measuring "goodput", while speedtest.net looks for the point at which it 
senses congestion.  Just a thought.



-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:50 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net and EPMP

I've had a chance to work a little more with Speedtest.net and EPMP.  No
matter what I do, I cannot get a speedtest above 20x5 over an EPMP link.

I have an I3 server, setup with routing over EPMP (with Vlan) or Af5,
OSPF Controlling the routing.  They are terminating into the same router
at the tower.  The server stays on the same IP no matter which path is used.

Quick Drawing

Server
|
   Mikrotik 1
   / \
 /   Vlan 1001
   / \
AF5   EPMP SM
 |  |
 |  |
AF5   EPMP AP (PMP)
\ /
  \   Vlan1001
\ /
Mikrotik 2
 |
To the Internet, and beyond!

Over the AF5, I'm getting 90-100mb sync (Expected based on channel
size).  When I switch the traffic to the EPMP, it maxes at 20x5.  I have
tried Disabling QOS entirely in the EPMP AP, and there are no Queues
setup in any Mikrotik (and the Server IP Address is staying the same
over each link)  The Wireless Link test from the EPMP SM to the AP
reports 55x30.  A Mikrotik bandwidth test from 'The Internet' to the
Mikrotik in front of the server yields 50x12 over the EPMP. But every
Speedtest.net run over the EPMP only gets 20x5.

I'm sure there's something I'm missing, I'm just not sure what. Since
All Customer's care about is what the speedtest.net number says, anyone
know what I am missing?

Nate 

[AFMUG] Speedtest.net and EPMP

[Nate Burke]

I've had a chance to work a little more with Speedtest.net and EPMP.  No 
matter what I do, I cannot get a speedtest above 20x5 over an EPMP link.


I have an I3 server, setup with routing over EPMP (with Vlan) or Af5, 
OSPF Controlling the routing.  They are terminating into the same router 
at the tower.  The server stays on the same IP no matter which path is used.


Quick Drawing

Server
|
   Mikrotik 1
   / \
 /   Vlan 1001
   / \
AF5   EPMP SM
 |  |
 |  |
AF5   EPMP AP (PMP)
\ /
  \   Vlan1001
\ /
Mikrotik 2
 |
To the Internet, and beyond!

Over the AF5, I'm getting 90-100mb sync (Expected based on channel 
size).  When I switch the traffic to the EPMP, it maxes at 20x5.  I have 
tried Disabling QOS entirely in the EPMP AP, and there are no Queues 
setup in any Mikrotik (and the Server IP Address is staying the same 
over each link)  The Wireless Link test from the EPMP SM to the AP 
reports 55x30.  A Mikrotik bandwidth test from 'The Internet' to the 
Mikrotik in front of the server yields 50x12 over the EPMP. But every 
Speedtest.net run over the EPMP only gets 20x5.


I'm sure there's something I'm missing, I'm just not sure what. Since 
All Customer's care about is what the speedtest.net number says, anyone 
know what I am missing?


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] what radio is this?

[Peter Kranz]

Unit on left is a Siklu with a 1' dish, unit on right is a Siklu with a 2'
dish. They are deployed in San Francisco by the following 4 carriers mainly:

 

Unwired 

MonkeyBrains

Wiline

Webpass

 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what radio is this?

 



 

Rory Conaway . Triad Wireless . CEO

4226 S. 37th Street . Phoenix . AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

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afterwards." - Vern Law

 

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why are they unplugging the AP?



To make you pay attention to them.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Josh Luthman]

Why are they unplugging the AP?  Just give them free Internet and here's
the contract - you provide power, we provide Internet and insurance.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Personally these arrangements make me nervous.  Some of the AP hosts seem
> to have a major sense of entitlement with regards to how much help they
> want with their internal stuff.  Others are completely nice.
>
> Imagine one of your really off the wall, crazy customers.  Now Imagine
> they have the power to unplug your AP's if they aren't happy.  How do you
> know ahead of time that the person isn't one of these crazies?
>
> there's an economic case that can be made, but I'll always be nervous
> about it.
>
>
> On 8/4/2015 4:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> +1 what Rory said.  Also make sure you get a written contract.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> We give them free internet and provide them any indoor routers they may
>> need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>>
>>
>>
>> I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100 per
>> month for power (even though we use less than $5.00).
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a
>> monthly basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway < 
>> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally
>> 5-10 possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume
>> location?
>>
>>
>>
>> [I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and
>> 1x omni on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I
>> expect to regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local
>> service.]
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Adam Moffett]

Personally these arrangements make me nervous.  Some of the AP hosts 
seem to have a major sense of entitlement with regards to how much help 
they want with their internal stuff.  Others are completely nice.


Imagine one of your really off the wall, crazy customers.  Now Imagine 
they have the power to unplug your AP's if they aren't happy.  How do 
you know ahead of time that the person isn't one of these crazies?


there's an economic case that can be made, but I'll always be 
nervous about it.



On 8/4/2015 4:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

+1 what Rory said.  Also make sure you get a written contract.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


We give them free internet and provide them any indoor routers
they may need.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100
per month for power (even though we use less than $5.00).

On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray"
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>>
wrote:

Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner
on a monthly basis.

Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was
entertaining.


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:

Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

I'm working on some small repeater sites with few
customers (normally 5-10 possible). What is a typical
payment for use of such a low volume location?

[I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x
backhaul and 1x omni on a rooftop. This setup is very
similar to what I have planned. I expect to regularly use
one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local service.]

Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Josh Luthman]

+1 what Rory said.  Also make sure you get a written contract.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> We give them free internet and provide them any indoor routers they may
> need.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>
>
>
> I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100 per
> month for power (even though we use less than $5.00).
>
> On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
> Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a monthly
> basis.
>
>
>
> Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>
>
>
> I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally 5-10
> possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume location?
>
>
>
> [I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and 1x
> omni on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I
> expect to regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local
> service.]
>
>
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] major (fiber? routing ? ) issues in south - tn, alabama, elsewhere?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

No Verizon OR AT&T Cell service in parts of North Alabama (Cullman, Florence)
Isolated reports coming in from all over North Alabama.
At least one WISP reports an outage in TN - backbone is AT&T
Anonymous report from a friend who works at TVA tells me they have problems 
with all their MPLS connections.

Here is one news story linking to it:

http://whnt.com/2015/08/04/social-media-users-report-widespread-cell-outages/

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Ken Hohhof]

I think sat dish poles have anti-spin thingies on the bottom.  Otherwise, if 
you put a reflector dish on them, they WILL spin in the wind, eventually.

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

I have used 1" IMC pounded in with a fence post pounder before and there was no 
way that thing would turn with what I had on it (400mm NanoBeam).  Granted, it 
was a temporary install on a job site, but it lasted 9 months at the mouth of a 
canyon through multiple high wind storms.

On Aug 4, 2015 2:20 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

  That would spin in the wind wouldn't it or is that an example of a bad 
practice?

  Keefe John wrote:

You could just pound a pipe in the ground like DirecTV does.

On 8/4/2015 1:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

  A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the customers 
home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in the ground and 
compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Rory Conaway]

We give them free internet and provide them any indoor routers they may need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?


I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100 per month for 
power (even though we use less than $5.00).
On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a monthly 
basis.

Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally 5-10 
possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume location?

[I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and 1x omni 
on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I expect to 
regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local service.]

Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Matt]

> The issue is the MT don't see the originating traffic, just the ips on the 
> pppoe session, so , not really any good way to see what
> "device" is acutally pulling it, therefore all we know is xyz ip is pulling.  
> Guess you can turn on PCQ and enabgle on both ip pairs
> and ports, this would help.. .

There Mikrotik will see it.  Basically we took out there Linksys
router and replaced it with a Mikrotik RB951Ui-2HnD and it does a
client PPPoE connection to our PPPoE server.  It also does NAT, DHCP,
Wifi and everything else for there network.

>> You would have to have a MT CPE, or something doing the NAT on the inside of 
>> the network.   It has to see all of the private IPs, then PCQ works quite 
>> well.
>
> Not sure what you mean by Mikrotik CPE.  They have a Canopy SM providing 
> access and the Mikrotik acts as wifi router/NAT and does PPPoE to our PPPoE 
> server for them.  The Mikrotik sees all there network and does PPPoE to us.
>
>> Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When they 
>> call in there is always something or another maxing it out.
>>  We bump them to next available plan in there area and it maxes that out 
>> too.  They have a Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.
>>  I am thinking they have someone that maxes things out and then it
>> just slows down for everyone.  Is there an easy way with Mikrotik to
>> force all connections inside to share the bandwidth more equally?  Hopefully 
>> something that is pretty much automatic so when they change there rate plan 
>> on the PPPoE it will follow?

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Jeremy]

I would give the free service at minimum.  I may throw in $50-100 per month
for power (even though we use less than $5.00).
On Aug 4, 2015 1:35 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a monthly
> basis.
>
> Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally
>> 5-10 possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume
>> location?
>>
>>
>>
>> [I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and
>> 1x omni on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I
>> expect to regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local
>> service.]
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Jeremy]

I have used 1" IMC pounded in with a fence post pounder before and there
was no way that thing would turn with what I had on it (400mm NanoBeam).
Granted, it was a temporary install on a job site, but it lasted 9 months
at the mouth of a canyon through multiple high wind storms.
On Aug 4, 2015 2:20 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> That would spin in the wind wouldn't it or is that an example of a bad
> practice?
>
> Keefe John wrote:
>
>> You could just pound a pipe in the ground like DirecTV does.
>>
>> On 8/4/2015 1:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without
>>> concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the
>>> customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in
>>> the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Jay Weekley]

That would spin in the wind wouldn't it or is that an example of a bad 
practice?


Keefe John wrote:

You could just pound a pipe in the ground like DirecTV does.

On 8/4/2015 1:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Jay Weekley]

It's just going to be about 3 feet off the ground and is shielded fairly 
well by the trailer and foliage.  I figured I would put an 8 foot pole 3 
feet in the ground.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Depends on wind in that area.  A 10' 4x4 sunk 4 feet in the dirt would 
probably be fine if near buildings that can provide wind shielding.


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

Will that be secure enough to handle one of your large dishes? Not sure
of the model but it's the one for ePMP, PMP 450 etc.

Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep 
hole for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 
04, 2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood 
posts without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?

[Christopher Gray]

Rory, I was wondering how much you give to the property owner on a monthly
basis.

Darin, 50% off sounds reasonable. That's actually what I was entertaining.



On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Budget around $600 unless you are relaying through.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 7:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
>
>
>
> I'm working on some small repeater sites with few customers (normally 5-10
> possible). What is a typical payment for use of such a low volume location?
>
>
>
> [I decided to ask after seeing Rory posted a picture of 1x backhaul and 1x
> omni on a rooftop. This setup is very similar to what I have planned. I
> expect to regularly use one backhaul dish and one or two radios for local
> service.]
>
>
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Josh Luthman]

Iirc there was a layer2 mechanism but it isn't obvious.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 3:21 PM, "Craig Schmaderer"  wrote:

> Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
> dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
> the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
> lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
> with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
> names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
> have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
> Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Josh Luthman]

Use the MT at their house.  PCC their house and it'll help.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 3:18 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

> The issue is the MT don't see the originating traffic, just the ips on the
> pppoe session, so , not really any good way to see what "device" is
> acutally pulling it, therefore all we know is xyz ip is pulling.  Guess you
> can turn on PCQ and enabgle on both ip pairs and ports, this would help.. .
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE
>
> > You would have to have a MT CPE, or something doing the NAT on the
> inside of the network.   It has to see all of the private IPs, then PCQ
> works quite well.
>
> Not sure what you mean by Mikrotik CPE.  They have a Canopy SM providing
> access and the Mikrotik acts as wifi router/NAT and does PPPoE to our PPPoE
> server for them.  The Mikrotik sees all there network and does PPPoE to us.
>
> > Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When
> they call in there is always something or another maxing it out.
> >  We bump them to next available plan in there area and it maxes that out
> too.  They have a Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.
> >  I am thinking they have someone that maxes things out and then it
> > just slows down for everyone.  Is there an easy way with Mikrotik to
> > force all connections inside to share the bandwidth more equally?
> Hopefully something that is pretty much automatic so when they change there
> rate plan on the PPPoE it will follow?
>

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Chuck McCown]

Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system 
radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.  You 
are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I saw 
about 30 years ago.   

What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

 

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Chris Fabien]

We install 10ft 4x4 with 3-4 ft in dirt with compacted fill, plus a 10ft
mast, with up to a rocket dish on it. Never had one fail.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> YouTube.com/watch?v=jigjrs5N9MY
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> Silver Lake Internet, LLC
>
> > On Aug 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >
> > A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without
> concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the
> customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in
> the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Brett A Mansfield]

YouTube.com/watch?v=jigjrs5N9MY


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet, LLC

> On Aug 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without concrete 
> for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the customers home.  
> Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in the ground and 
> compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?

[AFMUG] saf link security question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can't seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn't an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don't according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

af@afmug.com

[Gabriel Pike]

The block diagram shows 9 & 10 on PCIe. I have had performance issues on both 
of these ports and have pulled most 1200 routers from production.

 



 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

 

11, 12 and 13 on the 1100 each have dedicated PCIe lanes to the CPU. I haven't 
really seen any issues with them, at least on the 1100AHx2. I have one original 
1100 and one 1100AH left in the network and those aren't doing much. The bigger 
issue I've seen with the 1100AHx2 is the fans quit and the whole thing needs a 
power-cycle to get them going again. I've seen this on every single one I have 
deployed.

On 8/4/2015 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on routerboard.com 
to see which ones are special. It's not EVERYTHING not ran through a switch 
chip, but darn near.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

   
  
  
 

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From: "Adam Moffett"   
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?



On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.



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From: "Adam Moffett"   
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200 
underperform compared to the other ports.

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been pulling my 
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it 
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess]

The issue is the MT don't see the originating traffic, just the ips on the 
pppoe session, so , not really any good way to see what "device" is acutally 
pulling it, therefore all we know is xyz ip is pulling.  Guess you can turn on 
PCQ and enabgle on both ip pairs and ports, this would help.. . 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

> You would have to have a MT CPE, or something doing the NAT on the inside of 
> the network.   It has to see all of the private IPs, then PCQ works quite 
> well.

Not sure what you mean by Mikrotik CPE.  They have a Canopy SM providing access 
and the Mikrotik acts as wifi router/NAT and does PPPoE to our PPPoE server for 
them.  The Mikrotik sees all there network and does PPPoE to us.

> Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When they 
> call in there is always something or another maxing it out.
>  We bump them to next available plan in there area and it maxes that out too. 
>  They have a Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.
>  I am thinking they have someone that maxes things out and then it 
> just slows down for everyone.  Is there an easy way with Mikrotik to 
> force all connections inside to share the bandwidth more equally?  Hopefully 
> something that is pretty much automatic so when they change there rate plan 
> on the PPPoE it will follow?

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Matt]

> You would have to have a MT CPE, or something doing the NAT on the inside of 
> the network.   It has to see all of the private IPs, then PCQ works quite 
> well.

Not sure what you mean by Mikrotik CPE.  They have a Canopy SM
providing access and the Mikrotik acts as wifi router/NAT and does
PPPoE to our PPPoE server for them.  The Mikrotik sees all there
network and does PPPoE to us.

> Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When they 
> call in there is always something or another maxing it out.
>  We bump them to next available plan in there area and it maxes that out too. 
>  They have a Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.
>  I am thinking they have someone that maxes things out and then it just slows 
> down for everyone.  Is there an easy way with Mikrotik
> to force all connections inside to share the bandwidth more equally?  
> Hopefully something that is pretty much automatic so when they
> change there rate plan on the PPPoE it will follow?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Chuck McCown]

Depends on wind in that area.  A 10' 4x4 sunk 4 feet in the dirt would 
probably be fine if near buildings that can provide wind shielding.


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

Will that be secure enough to handle one of your large dishes?  Not sure
of the model but it's the one for ePMP, PMP 450 etc.

Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep hole for 
a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in 
the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess]

You would have to have a MT CPE, or something doing the NAT on the inside of 
the network.   It has to see all of the private IPs, then PCQ works quite well.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When they 
call in there is always something or another maxing it out.  We bump them to 
next available plan in there area and it maxes that out too.  They have a 
Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.  I am thinking they have someone 
that maxes things out and then it just slows down for everyone.  Is there an 
easy way with Mikrotik to force all connections inside to share the bandwidth 
more equally?  Hopefully something that is pretty much automatic so when they 
change there rate plan on the PPPoE it will follow?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Chuck McCown]

Sure... “Without followers, evil cannot spread.” - Star Trek, season 3, 
episode 5, (“And the Children Shall Lead,” 1968)


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

I'm more comfortable with your opinions than with some people's facts.
...I think McCoy said something like that to Spock in Star Trek IV. Can
I start calling you Spock?

On 8/4/2015 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, in my opinion.
-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
The 10% of height + 2 feet rule works the same for 4x4's as it does for 
telephone poles?


On 8/4/2015 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep hole 
for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in 
the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back 
up?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, in my opinion.  

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:01 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete 

The 10% of height + 2 feet rule works the same for 4x4's as it does for 
telephone poles?


On 8/4/2015 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep hole 
for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

[AFMUG] QOS on Mikrotik with PPPoE

[Matt]

Have a customer that keeps complaining there connection is slow.  When
they call in there is always something or another maxing it out.  We
bump them to next available plan in there area and it maxes that out
too.  They have a Mikrotik doing PPPoE to our access server.  I am
thinking they have someone that maxes things out and then it just
slows down for everyone.  Is there an easy way with Mikrotik to force
all connections inside to share the bandwidth more equally?  Hopefully
something that is pretty much automatic so when they change there rate
plan on the PPPoE it will follow?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Jay Weekley]

Will that be secure enough to handle one of your large dishes?  Not sure 
of the model but it's the one for ePMP, PMP 450 etc.


Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep hole 
for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Adam Moffett]

Have you tried interrogating Patrick Leary yet?  He's no fun at all.  
Most vendors squirm when you corner themPatrick turns into a wolverine.



On 8/4/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


I am pretty well known for my excellent questions. you should come 
visit Animal Farm and see me interrogate ubiquiti or cambium


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2015 1:04 PM

That is an excellent question.

On 8/4/2015 12:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
so...simonwhen are we going to get to find out what your new day 
job is?


- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello.
It's
free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by
person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic
at first
glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you
everything you gain from that plus a lot more.

On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but
structure the sheet such that it would easily convert to a
relational database table(s). The problem with most project
management programs is that they are designed for really large
projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization
for your particular project. If you are proficient in excel you
can get it done quicker there.
>
> The real reason one needs project management software is to
keep track of multiple tasks, but just as importantly the
forecasting of those tasks completions. I used to be a project
troubleshooter for a tower company, the typical reason for
projects falling behind and getting out of control was the lack
of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those
dates on a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and
contractors and helps them manage their priorities and workload.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
>
> I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic
here at the moment.  Is there a project management package that
anybody here is really happy with?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Adam Moffett]

I'm more comfortable with your opinions than with some people's facts.
...I think McCoy said something like that to Spock in Star Trek IV. Can 
I start calling you Spock?


On 8/4/2015 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, in my opinion.
-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 
04, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood 
posts without concrete
The 10% of height + 2 feet rule works the same for 4x4's as it does 
for telephone poles?


On 8/4/2015 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep 
hole for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 
04, 2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood 
posts without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Simon Westlake]

OK, I will!

On 8/4/2015 1:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


I am pretty well known for my excellent questions. you should come 
visit Animal Farm and see me interrogate ubiquiti or cambium


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2015 1:04 PM

That is an excellent question.

On 8/4/2015 12:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
so...simonwhen are we going to get to find out what your new day 
job is?


- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello.
It's
free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by
person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic
at first
glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you
everything you gain from that plus a lot more.

On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but
structure the sheet such that it would easily convert to a
relational database table(s). The problem with most project
management programs is that they are designed for really large
projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization
for your particular project. If you are proficient in excel you
can get it done quicker there.
>
> The real reason one needs project management software is to
keep track of multiple tasks, but just as importantly the
forecasting of those tasks completions. I used to be a project
troubleshooter for a tower company, the typical reason for
projects falling behind and getting out of control was the lack
of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those
dates on a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and
contractors and helps them manage their priorities and workload.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
>
> I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic
here at the moment.  Is there a project management package that
anybody here is really happy with?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Adam Moffett]

The 10% of height + 2 feet rule works the same for 4x4's as it does for 
telephone poles?


On 8/4/2015 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  3' deep hole 
for a 9' post.

4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 
2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts 
without concrete
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am pretty well known for my excellent questions. you should come visit 
Animal Farm and see me interrogate ubiquiti or cambium

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2015 1:04 PM

That is an excellent question.



On 8/4/2015 12:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:







 

so...simonwhen are we going to get to
find out what your new day job is?




- Original Message - 

From: Simon
Westlake 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Tuesday, August 04,
2015 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Project Management Software





A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello.
It's 

free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks
by 

person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic
at first 

glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give
you 

everything you gain from that plus a lot more.



On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

> Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project
but structure the sheet such that it would easily convert to a
relational database table(s). The problem with most project
management programs is that they are designed for really large
projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks
using the package. It still requires a lot of setup and
customization for your particular project. If you are proficient
in excel you can get it done quicker there.

>

> The real reason one needs project management software is to
keep track of multiple tasks, but just as importantly the
forecasting of those tasks completions. I used to be a project
troubleshooter for a tower company, the typical reason for
projects falling behind and getting out of control was the lack
of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those
dates on a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and
contractors and helps them manage their priorities and workload.

>

>

>

> Thank You,

> Brian Webster

> www.wirelessmapping.com

> www.Broadband-Mapping.com

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam
Moffett

> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

>

> I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot
topic here at the moment.  Is there a project management package
that anybody here is really happy with?

>

>

>

af@afmug.com

[Adam Moffett]

It's just killing me because I've been pulling my hair out trying to 
find an ethernet or RF problem that isn't there.   Gr.



On 8/4/2015 2:54 PM, Gabriel Pike wrote:


The block diagram shows 9 & 10 on PCIe. I have had performance issues 
on both of these ports and have pulled most 1200 routers from production.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 2:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

11, 12 and 13 on the 1100 each have dedicated PCIe lanes to the CPU. I 
haven't really seen any issues with them, at least on the 1100AHx2. I 
have one original 1100 and one 1100AH left in the network and those 
aren't doing much. The bigger issue I've seen with the 1100AHx2 is the 
fans quit and the whole thing needs a power-cycle to get them going 
again. I've seen this on every single one I have deployed.


On 8/4/2015 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on
routerboard.com to see which ones are special. It's not EVERYTHING
not ran through a switch chip, but darn near.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






*From: *"Adam Moffett" 

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?

On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






*From: *"Adam Moffett" 

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200
underperform compared to the other ports.

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been
pulling my
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul,
and it
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, post  or pole.  Full pressure treated  if possible.  
3' deep hole for a 9' post.  


4.5' deep for a 19' class 2 pole.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete 

A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in 
the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?

Re: [AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Keefe John]

You could just pound a pipe in the ground like DirecTV does.

On 8/4/2015 1:47 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post 
in the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole 
back up?

[AFMUG] Installing wood posts without concrete

[Jay Weekley]

A few months ago I read that some of you install wood posts without 
concrete for equipment that for some reason can't be mounted to the 
customers home.  Is this as simple as digging a hole placing the post in 
the ground and compacting the dirt around it as you fill the hole back up?

af@afmug.com

[George Skorup]

11, 12 and 13 on the 1100 each have dedicated PCIe lanes to the CPU. I 
haven't really seen any issues with them, at least on the 1100AHx2. I 
have one original 1100 and one 1100AH left in the network and those 
aren't doing much. The bigger issue I've seen with the 1100AHx2 is the 
fans quit and the whole thing needs a power-cycle to get them going 
again. I've seen this on every single one I have deployed.


On 8/4/2015 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on 
routerboard.com to see which ones are special. It's not EVERYTHING not 
ran through a switch chip, but darn near.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com



*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?


On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com




*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200
underperform compared to the other ports.

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been
pulling my
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Great Tacos in Vegas

[Jaime Solorza]

Going to get in touch with my hippie side.  Headed to Sedona Arizona...
On Aug 4, 2015 9:39 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yeah, they could climb it upside down.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:15 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Great Tacos in Vegas
>
>
> Close. Cirque Due Soliel. dam.  Strength in motion.  Tower
> climbers all of them with flair
> On Aug 3, 2015 7:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Taquiera Authentica is pretty good too.  (Not sure I spelled it properly)
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini 
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 03, 2015 2:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Great Tacos in Vegas
>>
>> that looks awsome! and yummy!!! when is salt lake try Taco Toro o Tacos
>> Don Rafa!
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is all that for one person?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>

 Way off LV blvd.   Tropicana and Eastern. Tijuana Tacos.   We recommend
 them


>>>
>>
>

af@afmug.com

[Mike Hammett]

Whichever the last few ports are. Check the block diagrams on routerboard.com 
to see which ones are special. It's not EVERYTHING not ran through a switch 
chip, but darn near. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:05:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10 

RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also? 



On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series... suck. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10 

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200 
underperform compared to the other ports. 

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is? I've been pulling my 
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it 
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200. 

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg? 

af@afmug.com

[Adam Moffett]

RB1xxx ? So is this an issue with the 1100 also?


On 8/4/2015 2:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series...  suck.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com



*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200
underperform compared to the other ports.

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been pulling my
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Simon Westlake]

That is an excellent question.

On 8/4/2015 12:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
so...simonwhen are we going to get to find out what your new day 
job is?


- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello. It's
free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by
person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic at
first
glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you
everything you gain from that plus a lot more.

On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but
structure the sheet such that it would easily convert to a
relational database table(s). The problem with most project
management programs is that they are designed for really large
projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization
for your particular project. If you are proficient in excel you
can get it done quicker there.
>
> The real reason one needs project management software is to keep
track of multiple tasks, but just as importantly the forecasting
of those tasks completions. I used to be a project troubleshooter
for a tower company, the typical reason for projects falling
behind and getting out of control was the lack of task completion
forecast dates and a failure to examine those dates on a daily
basis. These dates set goals for employees and contractors and
helps them manage their priorities and workload.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
>
> I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic
here at the moment.  Is there a project management package that
anybody here is really happy with?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Chuck McCown]

Platypus.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software


so...simonwhen are we going to get to find out what your new day job is?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Westlake 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

  A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello. It's 
  free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by 
  person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic at first 
  glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you 
  everything you gain from that plus a lot more.

  On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
  > Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but structure 
the sheet such that it would easily convert to a relational database table(s). 
The problem with most project management programs is that they are designed for 
really large projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using 
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization for your 
particular project. If you are proficient in excel you can get it done quicker 
there.
  >
  > The real reason one needs project management software is to keep track of 
multiple tasks, but just as importantly the forecasting of those tasks 
completions. I used to be a project troubleshooter for a tower company, the 
typical reason for projects falling behind and getting out of control was the 
lack of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those dates on 
a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and contractors and helps 
them manage their priorities and workload.
  >
  >
  >
  > Thank You,
  > Brian Webster
  > www.wirelessmapping.com
  > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
  >
  > I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic here at the 
moment.  Is there a project management package that anybody here is really 
happy with?
  >
  >
  >

af@afmug.com

[Mike Hammett]

The last couple ports on the RB1xxx series... suck. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:00:14 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] RB1200 ports 9&10 

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200 
underperform compared to the other ports. 

Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is? I've been pulling my 
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it 
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200. 

Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg? 

af@afmug.com

[Adam Moffett]

I just read a forum post saying that ports 9&10 on the RB1200 
underperform compared to the other ports.


Does anyone know how bad that underperformance is?  I've been pulling my 
hair out for days chasing a performance issue on a backhaul, and it 
turns out one end of it is plugged into port9 on an RB1200.


Could it make my 200 meg link only do 90meg?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

so...simonwhen are we going to get to find out what your new day job is?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Westlake 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software


  A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello. It's 
  free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by 
  person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic at first 
  glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you 
  everything you gain from that plus a lot more.

  On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
  > Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but structure 
the sheet such that it would easily convert to a relational database table(s). 
The problem with most project management programs is that they are designed for 
really large projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using 
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization for your 
particular project. If you are proficient in excel you can get it done quicker 
there.
  >
  > The real reason one needs project management software is to keep track of 
multiple tasks, but just as importantly the forecasting of those tasks 
completions. I used to be a project troubleshooter for a tower company, the 
typical reason for projects falling behind and getting out of control was the 
lack of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those dates on 
a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and contractors and helps 
them manage their priorities and workload.
  >
  >
  >
  > Thank You,
  > Brian Webster
  > www.wirelessmapping.com
  > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software
  >
  > I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic here at the 
moment.  Is there a project management package that anybody here is really 
happy with?
  >
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Simon Westlake]

A good transition from Excel sheets to something else is Trello. It's 
free, lets you set deadlines, has a calendar, can separate tasks by 
person, etc. I use it a lot. It seems perhaps overly simplistic at first 
glance, but if your needs fit into a spreadsheet, it will give you 
everything you gain from that plus a lot more.


On 8/4/2015 10:39 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

Start with a good excel spreadsheet if it a smaller project but structure the 
sheet such that it would easily convert to a relational database table(s). The 
problem with most project management programs is that they are designed for 
really large projects with many people and typically PMP certified folks using 
the package. It still requires a lot of setup and customization for your 
particular project. If you are proficient in excel you can get it done quicker 
there.

The real reason one needs project management software is to keep track of 
multiple tasks, but just as importantly the forecasting of those tasks 
completions. I used to be a project troubleshooter for a tower company, the 
typical reason for projects falling behind and getting out of control was the 
lack of task completion forecast dates and a failure to examine those dates on 
a daily basis. These dates set goals for employees and contractors and helps 
them manage their priorities and workload.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic here at the 
moment.  Is there a project management package that anybody here is really 
happy with?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.ganttproject.biz/

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 10:41 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software 


If you like Gantt charts, this one is free:GanttProject

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software 

I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic here at the 
moment.  Is there a project management package that anybody here is 
really happy with?

Re: [AFMUG] Project Management Software

[Chuck McCown]

If you like Gantt charts, this one is free:GanttProject

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Project Management Software 

I know this has been covered before.but it's a hot topic here at the 
moment.  Is there a project management package that anybody here is 
really happy with?