Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out
I'm assuming they'll only block if they're actually using the torrent protocol. If they're using something else (perhaps in-house), I'm assuming it'll go through. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:34:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out Going to suck when my Barracuda's block them. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out Did they happen to upgrade to Windows 10? Apparently they are pushing updates via torrents by default without users knowing it. http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-update.html Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there Internet is slow. We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload is maxed. Then we spend 20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them trying to figure out what is maxing it out. How is everyone else dealing with issues like this?
Re: [AFMUG] Standby power controller question
The one I have is not a Rodchester but its a Gaslow and I think it uses the same sensor using a hall effect. Its a model AD-3G If it is I will set it up that way. thanks Dave On 08/18/2015 05:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Yes, all of those switches are snmp visible. You should be able to hover over the switches on the status screen to get the OID. Or check the MIB. In the future you may just want to hook up a Rochester sensor which puts out an analog signal to one of the voltmeter inputs. Google Rochester r3d hall effect as an example. If you power it with a 5v source such as a USB power supply, the voltage will correspond to the volume if you multiply the voltage by 20. On Aug 18, 2015 2:44 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Forrest, We have a couple of these out now and working great so much so our two-way radio guys have added them on their wish list for a couple of their sites. I just got a remote lp gas gauge installed at one of the sites and I noticed there are some switches that can be used on the standby controller. All I want the gauge to do is turn on the switch when it gets into the yellow margin to indicate a low tank. I could use that to alert us to get a new tank in place. Is it possible to poll the controller snmp for this switch status ? Thanks Dave --
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I use fast blow, why not? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 19, 2015 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out
If the customer has their own router, not much you can do. We use the CPEs for our router for homes, if they want a wireless AP, we put in our own 951U, (powers the CPE too) and but that in bridge mode so its simple. Then you can set PCQ ques on the CPE and prevent that kind of issue ☺ Wish PPPoE had a way to test a qeue speed ON the CPE though. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out What does Torch say? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.commailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:44:25 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there Internet is slow. We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload is maxed. Then we spend 20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them trying to figure out what is maxing it out. How is everyone else dealing with issues like this?
[AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite
I have a B5 on the same 8' pole so the radios are about 4' apart. Since the B5 is running in 5.1GHz, I put the B5-Lite at 5.8GHz. I'm not seeing a problem, they are both rocking along. The B5 is shooting about 2.7 miles so it's cranked up. The B5-Lite Spectrum analyzer is showing the B5's at about 60dB in 5.1Ghz but with the 600MHz spread, doesn't seem to be an issue. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite Looks promising. We see mixed results with B5 with other 5GHz gear on the same tower. Lower modulations than expected. Radar events with new firmware (mimosa is working on this). Does the B5 lite show the same? As it does not gps-sync with B5 it will behave like foreign gear to a B5. So no good idea to colocate B5 and B5-lite? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 07:52 An: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Betreff: [AFMUG] B5-Lite Just threw them up today on a short link for testing. Here is what I got. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards. - Vern Law
Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring
Cacti does this without much fuss If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss. If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report then cacti maybe a solution On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote: Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput monitoring with SNMP? Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out
Not really, its probably in the eula we dont read. Microsoft proably has owned our first born since 3.1 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: This is pretty scummy. It's actually a good feature because you can restrict it to only pc's on your local network, but if by default it's sharing out to the internet without informing the user... On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Did they happen to upgrade to Windows 10? Apparently they are pushing updates via torrents by default without users knowing it. http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-update.html Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Upload Bandwidth Maxed Out We have been seeing a good number of customer complaints that there Internet is slow. We look at there PPPoE graph and see there upload is maxed. Then we spend 20 to 60 minutes on the phone with them trying to figure out what is maxing it out. How is everyone else dealing with issues like this? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring
Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput monitoring with SNMP? Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???
That's what she said Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: That was fast On 8/19/2015 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] ViVint SR1410 CPE
Antenna is 19db triple mimo
On Aug 18, 2015 5:06 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
haI ripped the tags off my sofas and mattresses. I have no fear
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
When all else fails, read the manual
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2039681
Account – root
Password – turnkey
Default IP address on Eth0 is 192.168.1.100
But I would certainly make sure I owned it before I started messing with
it.
Thank you,
Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84: Twitter
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*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 3:58 PM
*To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ViVint SR1410 CPE
will give them a try thx
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
No clue off the top of my head, but I would try these:
adminadmin
admin*blank (as in zip, zero, nada)*
adminpassword
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/18/2015 2:42 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Hello Blokes:
any of you smarter than me dudes know how to reset these puppies?
It has a reset switch and does reset it for a few seconds to default
192.168.1.100
root and turnkey don't workroot and root don't work
Telnet gets me to password and then freezes.
I have ping session going on and this puppy will take 30 pings and then
nada...my son cancelled his service and they charged him for the outdoor
and indoor units. He is fighting them because service was sporadic for
online classes.
Ideas
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
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[AFMUG] New LinkPlanner on second monitor - doesn't full screen right
I'm using Win7 on my laptop and an external monitor on the right. If I full screen LinkPlanner the left few pixels (10?) are not showing on the monitor. I don't remember this happening previously, I wonder if it was one of the updates. I'm on 4.3.1. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???
That was fast On 8/19/2015 11:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring
I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not can you monitor it. That is the way I read it anyway. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Cacti does this without much fuss If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss. If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report then cacti maybe a solution On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote: Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput monitoring with SNMP? Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring
I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not can you monitor it. That is the way I read it anyway. Yep, monitoring with MRTG already. Seems like I cannot enable it with an SNMP write though. Cacti does this without much fuss If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss. If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report then cacti maybe a solution Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput monitoring with SNMP? Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they are a rare bird. Allied has them; Buss GMC series. http://www.alliedelec.com/bussmann-by-eaton-gmc-4-r/70149513/ GMA is fast acting, GMC is medium time delay, and GMD is time delay. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada
Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone. Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???
That's awesome! So what is the fuse protecting? The + input? On 8/19/2015 10:26 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada
Those connectors you refer to in that thread sound like they have an index matching gel inside. I have been told that stuff degrades over a few years and the attenuation goes up as the gel degrades. On 8/19/2015 12:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote: do it yourself. it's as easy as terminating an rj45 now. you only need $100 in tools. see the thread I had with Paul yesterday on this and wispa lists. On Aug 19, 2015 9:34 AM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com mailto:ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone. Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] Platinum Tools EZ: Internal or External Ground?
(tough cable connector style ground) On Aug 18, 2015 8:18 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: These use a tough cable style ground On Aug 18, 2015 1:08 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: I found a source for the external ground ones for 45 cents each instead of 1.60$ but u have to buy 1500. hit me off list Have you found a source for the internal ground ones at that price point?
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - blockquote From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing blockquote I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now limited by my test station throughput. Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar testers (which I currently use)? It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not. Any other ideas? /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow.
Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used to
protect the wiring. Since it is usually faulty equipment causing the
over current condition, it is already probably toast anyway.
Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping,
and not so large as to endanger your wiring.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the
Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow.
It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply they sell
is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse. But when I power
it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little incandescent
bulb for a fraction of a second before opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.
Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog,
so I guess they are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses
actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating,
at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s
experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector,
if the power supply can’t put out at least 240 watts, things are going
to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to
electronics. I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If
you're asking because you have nuisance blows I might consider just
moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting.
On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.
So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.
[AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house
Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here... My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 250' from their house. Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower. Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's bonded to electrical on the house side or not. Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get pricey. I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost effective to bond the tower back to the house ground. I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two radios off of one POE at that distance. Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of work/expense for one radio. Anyone have some suggestions? Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
Fast is better for protection.Better than old cigarette pack method used on Fender and Marshall amps back in the day On Aug 19, 2015 7:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. *From:* Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now limited by my test station throughput. Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar testers (which I currently use)? It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not. Any other ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
Thanks, somehow I missed that. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they are a rare bird. Allied has them; Buss GMC series. http://www.alliedelec.com/bussmann-by-eaton-gmc-4-r/70149513/ GMA is fast acting, GMC is medium time delay, and GMD is time delay. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I use fast-blow, they're a lot cheaper and easier to find. Note, a 5GHz 450AP will run on a 1/2A fuse, and then blow the next morning when the traffic hits. Ask me how I know. :( 1/2A fuses are now banned from inventory. Our standard is 1A for everything but SyncInjectors which get a 5A. Actually, I didn't even bother fusing some of the SyncInjectors. Seems redundant. Then all the radios go down when it blows. Which is why I don't do a main fuse or breaker for the whole site. I think a good rule of thumb for fast-blow is to have a fuse rated twice the normal operating current. On 8/19/2015 8:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I use fast blow, why not? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 19, 2015 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads
That is to make it customer friendly :) u know just plug and play and stop calling tech support asking where the power button is :) On 08/19/2015 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all your pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had customer trained to the point where they understood the need for securing your wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/ *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* ** */“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law/**//* -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow. It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse. But when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before opening. So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they are a rare bird. I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t put out at least 240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that fuse blows. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics. I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If you're asking because you have nuisance blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting. On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
Protect the wiring yes, but my main concern is that one bad radio or other
device doesn’t take down the whole site.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow.
Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used to protect
the wiring. Since it is usually faulty equipment causing the over current
condition, it is already probably toast anyway.
Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping, and not
so large as to endanger your wiring.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the Trango
ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow. It’s kind of
amusing because the single radio power supply they sell is only rated 1.5 amps,
so it can’t blow the fuse. But when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the
fuse glows like a little incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before
opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they
are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses actually
take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, at 300% it comes
down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s experience with 1/2A
fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t
put out at least 240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that
fuse blows.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics. I'd
recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If you're asking because you have
nuisance blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what
you're protecting.
On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but
recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but
examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series.
So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might
have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been
a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads
I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all your pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had customer trained to the point where they understood the need for securing your wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/ *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law* -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Throughput Monitoring
Ah.. K I did not read the whole thread :) On 08/19/2015 11:51 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: I think he meant is there a way to turn it on via snmp not can you monitor it. That is the way I read it anyway. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Cacti does this without much fuss If your looking for real time by the second it may be some fuss. If your looking for a 5min average and weekly,monthly and yearly report then cacti maybe a solution On 08/19/2015 09:59 AM, Matt wrote: Is there a way to enable - Statistics / Throughput / Throughput monitoring with SNMP? Its a pain logging into GUI to change each AP.
Re: [AFMUG] Pre-terminated fiber in Canada
Time will tell. takes 20 seconds to replace one for $8 that's a lot of connectors compared to a splice machine or pre term On Aug 19, 2015 9:51 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Those connectors you refer to in that thread sound like they have an index matching gel inside. I have been told that stuff degrades over a few years and the attenuation goes up as the gel degrades. On 8/19/2015 12:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote: do it yourself. it's as easy as terminating an rj45 now. you only need $100 in tools. see the thread I had with Paul yesterday on this and wispa lists. On Aug 19, 2015 9:34 AM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for pre-terminated direct burial multimode lc fiber that ships to Canada? Having a hell of a time finding anyone. Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I use a separate fuse for each device. The buss coming into the fuse is
much larger than the wire coming out.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/19/2015 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Protect the wiring yes, but my main concern is that one bad radio or
other device doesn’t take down the whole site.
*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
I'm with Forrest. Stick to the fast blow.
Remember, fuses are not used to protect the equipment, they are used
to protect the wiring. Since it is usually faulty equipment causing
the over current condition, it is already probably toast anyway.
Just make the fuse large enough to handle the inrush without popping,
and not so large as to endanger your wiring.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 8/19/2015 10:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for
the Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium
blow. It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply
they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse. But
when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little
incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before opening.
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place.
Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog,
so I guess they are a rare bird.
I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses
actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of
rating, at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably
explains George’s experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A
fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t put out at least
240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that fuse blows.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM
*To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to
electronics. I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If
you're asking because you have nuisance blows I might consider just
moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting.
On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics,
but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not
widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse
233 series.
So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices
that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse,
although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics. I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If you're asking because you have nuisance blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting. On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector In truck bed before mounting On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
SCADA work always done this way On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector In truck bed before mounting On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] -48 PDU suggestions
On 8/18/2015 1:51 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I like the packetflux PDU, but I need to switch -48 loads. Does anybody have any suggestions? Forrest.if you make it I will buy it. Try ICT if you want remote meter and switching capabilities. These are the ones I have been using.
Re: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house
I wonder if you put something like a cheap Ethernet switch ahead of the router, if it would just pop the one port, or the whole switch, and whether it would propagate through the switch and still pop the router port (I have seen that). If it just pops one port on the switch, you can mark it bad and move to the next port. From: Tyler Treat Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here... My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 250' from their house. Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower. Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's bonded to electrical on the house side or not. Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get pricey. I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost effective to bond the tower back to the house ground. I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two radios off of one POE at that distance. Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of work/expense for one radio. Anyone have some suggestions? Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
I like the servicability. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: SCADA work always done this way On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector In truck bed before mounting On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
form fit and function Toughswitch powered by DC power supply and protected on LAN and power sides Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:47 PM, je...@richardson.bz wrote: I like the servicability. Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: SCADA work always done this way On Aug 19, 2015 1:01 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: You really like that cable management duct stuff, don’t you. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:56 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector In truck bed before mounting On Aug 19, 2015 12:49 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
Set it on a cardboard box. (With a sticky note warning not to touch case...) From: Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench directly to 2.4.3. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak jno...@lrcomm.com wrote: on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -� We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. � Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
Oh, so not the CHR? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:08:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing And by CHR I mean just a regular x86 image I managed to load on my hosted providers structure from CD image. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited. It recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am sure it'll come along fine. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote: Oh, that would be nice. I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting company. Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 10Gbps networking. So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net blockquote From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing blockquote I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now limited by my test station throughput. Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar testers (which I currently use)? It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not. Any other ideas? /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
From what I've heard, it is DPDK enabled. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:54:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Oh, that would be nice. I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting company. Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 10Gbps networking. So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - blockquote From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing blockquote I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. From: Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: blockquote Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now limited by my test station throughput. Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar testers (which I currently use)? It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not. Any other ideas? /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
Hard to float a radio if it has an antenna mounted to a tower. From: Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a radio. I have an RSD in between. Should I take extra care to ensure that the RSD does not touch the metal enclosure in any way? I was also planning on floating the radio's ground (and the RSD). On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit right now. I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power. -Jason On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Set it on a cardboard box. (With a sticky note warning not to touch case...) From: Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
And by CHR I mean just a regular x86 image I managed to load on my hosted providers structure from CD image. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing we tried to test the 10Gbps networking before we realized it was limited. It recognizes a 10gb adapter now, and shows negotiation at 10gb.. so I am sure it'll come along fine. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.netmailto:sterl...@avative.net wrote: Oh, that would be nice. I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting company. Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 10Gbps networking. So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.commailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netmailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. From: Jon Langelermailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
Tecate would do it for me but my wife likes me to give her and so does mortgage company. Maybe a primer at AF? On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Jamie would you like to come work in Colorado next summer and Jamie-ify all our boxes lol. I can pay with tecate if that helps ;-) Nice work brotha!!! -sean On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit right now. I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power. -Jason On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Set it on a cardboard box. (With a sticky note warning not to touch case...) *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
[AFMUG] epmp update path
Hey folks - We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] Toughswitch and Ethernet Surge Protector
Lots of the design is canned AutoCAD stuff we cookie cut since we try to use what works well. Most of these are for water pump systems and most of them use the same system.We have templates and measurements are standard. Makes it easier also when engineers give us drawings and schematics. On Aug 19, 2015 3:26 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Tecate would do it for me but my wife likes me to give her and so does mortgage company. Maybe a primer at AF? On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Jamie would you like to come work in Colorado next summer and Jamie-ify all our boxes lol. I can pay with tecate if that helps ;-) Nice work brotha!!! -sean On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Morning project
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -� We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. � Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
The only thing a fuse protects against, when properly sized and installed, is a short circuit event. They should never be viewed as some kind of surge protection unless you enjoy being disappointed. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Fast is better for protection.Better than old cigarette pack method used on Fender and Marshall amps back in the day On Aug 19, 2015 7:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far. -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks - We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. Is there a specificupgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
I did that with no issue when 2.4 came about. On 08/19/2015 04:52 PM, Joe Novak wrote: on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -� We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. � Is there a specificupgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing
Oh, that would be nice. I have a CHR already loaded as an image on nearly bare metal at my hosting company. Wasn’t too hard, but I’m sure the drivers and stuff don’t take advantage of the ability to dynamically add/remove CPU, Memory and HD space. Let alone the 10Gbps networking. So that would be welcome if they work towards that with CHR! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Cloud Hosted Router. It's a branch of ROS with drivers and other support specific to virtual environments. It has FastPath for x86 as well. There's a thread on their forum and we talked about it in the last TBW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59DP8_VorFc - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.commailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 11:50:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing Whats the CHR? On 8/18/2015 8:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Also, don't forget the new CHR, though it's still in beta. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netmailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing A couple of quick thought for both of your.. Chuck Forrest.. 1) Most folks overlook or not aware of the Packet Generator / Traffic Generator tool in Mikrotik http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Traffic_Generator http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Performance_Testing_with_Traffic_Generator 2) Most folks often forget that MT ROS is actually Software which will run on most x86 machines... i.e. you can load up the MT ROS on any PC hardware and get some of the functionality needed. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing I use something similar now. But only have one. And it is a bit slow. Considering what Forrest is building. Will try the MT router initially and see what happens. From: Jon Langelermailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GigE Testing This might be faster: http://www.t3innovation.com/netchaser http://fetest.com/product/06-netprobe-2000-gige/ Otherwise next up is Fluke or JDSU Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Demand for our GigE surge suppressor has been growing such that I am now limited by my test station throughput. Any ideas on how to test a GigE device go-nogo without buying more big dollar testers (which I currently use)? It needs to be fast and show speeds in both directions. Have considered just putting up a GigE switch and plugging the surge suppressor into two ports and seeing if they light. But that sounds pretty cheap and dirty. Want to see numbers. A laptop talking to another laptop with iperf may end up being the solution. Not sure if there are GigE USB NICS so I could do it all on one laptop or not. Any other ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
Thanks guys! I'll try it tonight! From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path All my new radios are 1.2.3. I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench directly to 2.4.3. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak jno...@lrcomm.commailto:jno...@lrcomm.com wrote: on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -� We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. � Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground because he saw a bunch of current being dumped. On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Personally, I ground one side of every power supply. In this case, you would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD. Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs. I have used a Traco TCL 060-124 DC to do what you want. If you are going from 24 to 48, there are fewer choices. *From:* Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
But the SyncInjector has overcurrent for each radio and the SyncPipe. So I'm not real worried about things cooking with that. Exactly as you said though, with no protection, a single radio, SS, whatever shorting takes the whole site down. And that's ungood. I've had to replace a bunch of relays on the SiteMonitor controlled PoE injectors because, well, I was stupid. And I don't want to do that anymore. On 8/19/2015 12:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What got me on this track was discovering the replacement fuse for the Trango ApexPlus/Lynx/Stratalink POE boxes is a 3.5 amp medium blow. It’s kind of amusing because the single radio power supply they sell is only rated 1.5 amps, so it can’t blow the fuse. But when I power it from a 6 amp Mean Well, the fuse glows like a little incandescent bulb for a fraction of a second before opening. So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they are a rare bird. I also learned from perusing the spec sheets that fast blow fuses actually take 30-60 minutes to blow until you get over 200% of rating, at 300% it comes down to milliseconds. That probably explains George’s experience with 1/2A fuses. But also with a 5A fuse on a Syncinjector, if the power supply can’t put out at least 240 watts, things are going to cook for awhile before that fuse blows. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) mailto:li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:16 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses A fast blow fuse is really very very slow when compared to electronics. I'd recommend sticking with the fast blow fuses. If you're asking because you have nuisance blows I might consider just moving up a amp or so depending on what you're protecting. On Aug 19, 2015 6:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I use fast blow 5x20 mm fuses for radios and other electronics, but recently became aware that medium blow fuses exist. Not widely available, but examples are Belfuse 530-5MT and Littelfuse 233 series. So is anyone using these? Any advantage? I'm thinking devices that might have enough inrush current to blow a fast blow fuse, although that hasn't been a problem so far.
Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable
I have a couple thousand feet of that plus some pile attachment hardware if you wanted to try it cheap. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015, 7:13 PM Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: That's what I use. Keep in mind that the attachment hardware you're looking at (trunion) is mainly for straight runs and some slight turns. You'll need dead ends for many of the turns. On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Ah.the stuff I'm looking at is labeled ADSS and it has a non-metallic strength member under the outer jacket. The pole attachment hardware is an aluminum clamp with a rubber grommet. It just squeezes the cable. Like this guy: http://www.aflglobal.com/Products/Fiber-Optic-Cable/ADSS/Mini-Span/ADSS-Mini-Span.aspx I can understand twisting a figure-8...that makes sense. On 8/18/2015 3:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes *From:* Jason McKemie *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Are you talking about figure-8 cable? On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes, don't make it all pretty between poles. Put twists in it. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Huhyou mean literally grab the cable and twist it before clamping it into the holder? Or do you mean coils? I'm looking at a place where I'm confident there will be no need for more strands during my lifetime. Upsides I'm guessing are simpler installation? Cheaper? On 8/18/2015 3:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It dances in the wind unless you give it several twists in each span. Plus, on larger strand type deployments, you cannot come back and lash more cables to the same strand. Other than that it has some nice upsides. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ADSS cable Is there any downside to self supporting cable?
Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm, possibly DC surge protector???
Sweet. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
I have also come to the conclusion if deploying anymore -48v radios, each radio will have its own fused DC to DC converter. I really wish Meanwell built a 100 Watt version of the RSD for size purposes and price... Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Yep... Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground because he saw a bunch of current being dumped. On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Personally, I ground one side of every power supply. In this case, you would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD. Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs. I have used a Traco TCL 060-124 DC to do what you want. If you are going from 24 to 48, there are fewer choices. *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
I did continuity testing on a Meanwell SD series that I have sitting around - the inputs, outputs, and ground all seem to be isolated. Is this a good indicator? On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Personally, I ground one side of every power supply. In this case, you would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD. Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs. I have used a Traco TCL 060-124 DC to do what you want. If you are going from 24 to 48, there are fewer choices. *From:* Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','joshba...@gmail.com'); wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
Yep... Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:01 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yes, the RSD is isolated in such a way that you can ground the + side of the input (from the -48 rectifier) and also ground the - side of the output.. nothing bad will happen. The SD series, yeah, don't do that. I think it was Erich that said he had to disconnect the SD frame ground because he saw a bunch of current being dumped. On 8/19/2015 7:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Personally, I ground one side of every power supply. In this case, you would be fine grounding the – OUT of the RSD. Most DC-DC converters have floating outputs. I have used a Traco TCL 060-124 DC to do what you want. If you are going from 24 to 48, there are fewer choices. *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 4:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
So it seems like between 2.3.4 and 2.4 this thing decides to stop allowing changes to be saved. Any ideas? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Aug 19, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: S the AP side won't allow saving changes? Any ideas? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Aug 19, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Taking this a step further- Eptp mode. Any caveats to turning this on? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Thanks guys! I'll try it tonight! From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path All my new radios are 1.2.3. I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench directly to 2.4.3. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak jno...@lrcomm.commailto:jno...@lrcomm.com wrote: on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -? We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
Re: [AFMUG] B5-Lite
Looks promising. We see mixed results with B5 with other 5GHz gear on the same tower. Lower modulations than expected. Radar events with new firmware (mimosa is working on this). Does the B5 lite show the same? As it does not gps-sync with B5 it will behave like foreign gear to a B5. So no good idea to colocate B5 and B5-lite? Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 07:52 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: [AFMUG] B5-Lite Just threw them up today on a short link for testing. Here is what I got. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/ Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards. - Vern Law
Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v
I saw antennas mounted on tower at Phillips 66 refinery in Borger, Texas with rubber sleeve between mount and tower legs. This tower was always getting hit by lightning until they installed that weird system I mentioned once on list with these clear plastic barrels with green looking rock stuff and some kind of charcoal looking material in the trenches where copper wire rested...cover with darker material and dirtanyways I think the rubber sleeves were an attempt to :float the antenna. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Hard to float a radio if it has an antenna mounted to a tower. *From:* Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'm about to do the exact opposite - convert +48V to -48V to power a radio. I have an RSD in between. Should I take extra care to ensure that the RSD does not touch the metal enclosure in any way? I was also planning on floating the radio's ground (and the RSD). On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Good point, the damn thing is mounted to the same rack as the -48v unit right now. I believe the -48v unit is isolated from the rack, but I had better make sure before I switch the Mikrotik over to DC power. -Jason On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Set it on a cardboard box. (With a sticky note warning not to touch case...) *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2015 3:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mixing +48v and -48v I'll probably just float the ground. On Wednesday, August 19, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: They are hard to find. Where will you ground the MT in this type of scenario (with an RSD in between your -48V rectifier and MT)? Josh On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Jason McKemie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It actually looks like the RSD-100C-24 should do the trick (I'm dropping to 24v, so I guess my subject line wasn't exactly correct). My normal source is out of those, according to their website they have some RSD-200C-48 units though. On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com'); wrote: The Mean Well RSD gives 4kV i/o isolation and will work perfectly this, no grounding issues. I think the smallest you can get in 48/48 is 200W, the RSD-200C-48. Good luck finding some. On 8/18/2015 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: I'm wanting to power a mikrotik switch off of a -48v rectifier setup that already has some -48v equipment running on it. I'll be using a Meanwell DC/DC converter, which appears to not bond anything with the ground. The mikrotik, however, does bond the negative with ground. Do I need to keep the mikrotik's ground isolated from the main ground? Or is the DC/DC converter going to keep things from going boom?
Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path
Taking this a step further- Eptp mode. Any caveats to turning this on? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote: Thanks guys! I'll try it tonight! From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path All my new radios are 1.2.3. I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no problem. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench directly to 2.4.3. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak jno...@lrcomm.commailto:jno...@lrcomm.com wrote: on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3 On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks -? We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3 Thanks Tyler
