Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Haha, I LOLd
On Mar 2, 2016 11:14 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but it's pretty normal to bring your own outlets with you to a new
house... isn't it? afterall, there's a good chance the old ones would be
upside down, anyway...
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't specify that you wanted the outlets, then I just assume you
have your own
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2016 9:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> You’re probably one of those people who take the toilets and the porch
light when you leave.
>>>
>>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
Requirements- Hypothetical
>>>
>>>
>>> All that matters is the purchase agreement, zero else. If you buy my
house, and assume you get my appliances, but it's not specified in the
purchase agreement, plan a trip to best   buy. It's really that simple
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2016 4:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:

 I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no
one is a lawyer;

 If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations
which have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
from ISP B, am I correct?

 Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>
>

[AFMUG] OT heroin

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

So another fella I used to know ODd today. He is the youngest of three
brothers, the oldest having croaked out from overdose a few years ago, the
middle is on the run after cutting an ankle bracelet for heroin charges and
now the mom whom I used to work with gets to put a second son in the dirt.
Somewhere between 10 and 20 of the folks I used to run around with are
feeding worms now, I quit taking actual count some time ago. I personally
don't care about dead junkies, while they're smacked out, they aren't
people, just shells of people, a danger to everyone around them I help the
few who can be salvaged, I'm selfish in that I won't expose my family, but
for example, last year I dropped off a backpack with food toiletries,
cigarettes and and blanket to an old friend who was homeless and in some
need, but that's as much as I can enable these guys. Is this new? Or am I
just hitting an age where the sins of our past begin to catch up?

As an industry, in our scope, is there any reaching out we can do? We are
in people's homes regularly, is there a link to resources we can provide?
Is there any way we can be a part of the solution or are we just to
isolated of an industry to do anything?

I know it's a pick your battles world, nobody can help everybody, but this
is madness, the destruction of so many lives and the collateral damage from
one drug is astounding.  Everybody, even homeless junkies are online.
Granted our base tends not to be the smack addled youth, but would things
like resource links on our websites, or outreach program info in our
welcome packs be overstepping our bounds. I'm curious on a personal level
because I have no other resource than my job.

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but it's pretty normal to bring your own outlets with you to a new
house... isn't it? afterall, there's a good chance the old ones would be
upside down, anyway...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you don't specify that you wanted the outlets, then I just assume you
> have your own
> On Mar 2, 2016 9:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> You’re probably one of those people who take the toilets and the porch
>> light when you leave.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>> All that matters is the purchase agreement, zero else. If you buy my
>> house, and assume you get my appliances, but it's not specified in the
>> purchase agreement, plan a trip to best   buy. It's really that simple
>> On Mar 2, 2016 4:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no
>>> one is a lawyer;
>>>
>>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>>
>>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If you don't specify that you wanted the outlets, then I just assume you
have your own
On Mar 2, 2016 9:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> You’re probably one of those people who take the toilets and the porch
> light when you leave.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
>
> All that matters is the purchase agreement, zero else. If you buy my
> house, and assume you get my appliances, but it's not specified in the
> purchase agreement, plan a trip to best   buy. It's really that simple
> On Mar 2, 2016 4:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>

[AFMUG] Not From Aliens: Parkes Observatory Clarifies Radio Signal Bursts Come From Kitchen Microwave : SCIENCE : Tech Times

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/46124/20150415/not-from-aliens-parkes-observatory-clarifies-radio-signal-bursts-come-from-kitchen-microwave.htm

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Ken Hohhof]

You’re probably one of those people who take the toilets and the porch light 
when you leave.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

All that matters is the purchase agreement, zero else. If you buy my house, and 
assume you get my appliances, but it's not specified in the purchase agreement, 
plan a trip to best   buy. It's really that simple

On Mar 2, 2016 4:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:

  I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is 
a lawyer;


  If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?


  Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a typo? Google builds 100kW 80 GHz transmitter.

[Jaime Solorza]

Didn't they correct article already
On Mar 2, 2016 8:38 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Article says very high gain antenna with beamwidth less than half a degree
> and that actual transmit power is only half a watt.  I shouldn’t do math in
> my head, but that would be something like 53 dBi antenna gain to get from
> 0.5 watts to 1E5 watts EIRP?  At 80 GHz that seems feasible without the
> antenna size getting ridiculous.  Hell to aim, though.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Is this a typo? Google builds 100kW 80 GHz transmitter.
>
>
>
> http://hackaday.com/2016/03/02/google-is-building-a-100kw-radio-transmitter-at-a-spaceport-and-no-one-knows-why/
>
> Based on the eirp sounds like a typo or copy/paste error.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Is this a typo? Google builds 100kW 80 GHz transmitter.

[Ken Hohhof]

Article says very high gain antenna with beamwidth less than half a degree and 
that actual transmit power is only half a watt.  I shouldn’t do math in my 
head, but that would be something like 53 dBi antenna gain to get from 0.5 
watts to 1E5 watts EIRP?  At 80 GHz that seems feasible without the antenna 
size getting ridiculous.  Hell to aim, though.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 8:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Is this a typo? Google builds 100kW 80 GHz transmitter.

http://hackaday.com/2016/03/02/google-is-building-a-100kw-radio-transmitter-at-a-spaceport-and-no-one-knows-why/


Based on the eirp sounds like a typo or copy/paste error.

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

All that matters is the purchase agreement, zero else. If you buy my house,
and assume you get my appliances, but it's not specified in the purchase
agreement, plan a trip to best   buy. It's really that simple
On Mar 2, 2016 4:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:

> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>

[AFMUG] Is this a typo? Google builds 100kW 80 GHz transmitter.

[Eric Kuhnke]

http://hackaday.com/2016/03/02/google-is-building-a-100kw-radio-transmitter-at-a-spaceport-and-no-one-knows-why/

Based on the eirp sounds like a typo or copy/paste error.

Re: [AFMUG] CTM2 No access mac = 00:00:00:00:00

[David Milholen]

Thats what I figured...
 Is the interface on the LMG stuff just to basic to understand a 
complex interface like Mikrotik LOL :)
I guess I need to start buying some dumb netgear 5 port switches to put 
between LMG and mikrotik



On 3/2/2016 8:11 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

This used to happen to use all of the time.

LMG's response was 'use something other that MT.'

Josh

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 9:08 PM, David Milholen > wrote:


Dear Borg,
 Is there a way besides driving to the site and doing a hard
reboot on the CTM2 to re-gain access to it?
I have it connected to a mikrotik and I view the arp table and the
ip assigned to it has all zeros for a mac address.
 I really do not want to drive 30 miles to reboot a control unit.
Any ideas are welcome.
Thanks
Dave
-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Eric Kuhnke]

EBay, I found a whole series of dell precision (pro workstation series)
workstations with dual socket, dual core Xeon and 16GB RAM for like $149 a
piece. Way overpowered for CSRs, but can't argue with the price. Put a
moderately priced 60GB SSD in each.

The ones I got have nvidia quadro cards in them that have dual DVI output,
will drive two 1920x1200 displays.

Power hungry and hot, however. Great if power is included in your office
lease?

Search eBay for 'dell precision 16GB'

Example:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view=171969860424=web
On Mar 2, 2016 1:00 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
> personnel PCs
>

Re: [AFMUG] CTM2 No access mac = 00:00:00:00:00

[Josh Baird]

This used to happen to use all of the time.

LMG's response was 'use something other that MT.'

Josh

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 9:08 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

> Dear Borg,
>  Is there a way besides driving to the site and doing a hard reboot on the
> CTM2 to re-gain access to it?
> I have it connected to a mikrotik and I view the arp table and the ip
> assigned to it has all zeros for a mac address.
>  I really do not want to drive 30 miles to reboot a control unit.
> Any ideas are welcome.
> Thanks
> Dave
> --
>

[AFMUG] CTM2 No access mac = 00:00:00:00:00

[David Milholen]

Dear Borg,
 Is there a way besides driving to the site and doing a hard reboot on 
the CTM2 to re-gain access to it?
I have it connected to a mikrotik and I view the arp table and the ip 
assigned to it has all zeros for a mac address.

 I really do not want to drive 30 miles to reboot a control unit.
Any ideas are welcome.
Thanks
Dave
--

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Mike Hammett]

After t30 days you have to surrender your license. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 4:41:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical 


Pretty sure that's the way it is but not exactly what's really happening. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Mar 2, 2016 5:40 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I would 
think. 
You cannot license some links and then not build them out. No camping allowed, 
and that is the position they would have with licenses but no radios. 




From: cjwstudios 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical 


That's great info. Hope to find a case on it. 



On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim < tha...@comsearch.com > wrote: 





Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines levied 
for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of cjwstudios 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical 


Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think? Would be neat to 
say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the transfer of a 
license. 



On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim < tha...@comsearch.com > wrote: 




Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of John Woodfield 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical 



I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them. 

That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us. 



John Woodfield, President 
Delmarva WiFi Inc. 
410-870-WiFi 


-Original Message- 
From: "cjwstudios" < cjwstud...@gmail.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical 




I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer; 
If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution? Since ISP A is 
now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct? 
Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance. 

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Bill Prince]

Liz Creekmore
Principal, Intelpath

Workl...@intelpath.com
Work312-841-9188
Work50 E 26th St
Ste. 404
Chicago, IL 60616
Work16 W 575 79th St., Ste 102
Willowbrook, IL 60527
Home Pagewww.intelpath.com
NotesFrequency Coordinator

bp


On 3/2/2016 5:32 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
That is a good question but Normally coordinators aren't allowed to 
even ask for a license that would interfere with an already granted 
one. Who is that Intelepath lady? I would think she would be the one 
to answer all of this definitively.


On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:


Let me ask another hypothetical here, the answer of which may be
part of your answer.

If you were able to convince a coordinator to send out pcns for
the exact same path and frequencies as the existing license,  and
no one replied, is it legal to complete the license filing and
operate on that path?

If ISP B is just refusing to take any action as opposed to
actively opposing the transfer this might be an option. 
Coordinating on different frequencies may be another.


But consult a lawyer.   Just a thought to check into.

On Mar 2, 2016 3:00 PM, "cjwstudios" > wrote:

I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on,
knowing no one is a lawyer;

If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point
stations which have operating licenses in an asset
acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said licenses to
ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since
ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would be
illegally operating the point to point stations without
assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?

Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in
advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Lewis Bergman]

That is a good question but Normally coordinators aren't allowed to even
ask for a license that would interfere with an already granted one. Who is
that Intelepath lady? I would think she would be the one to answer all of
this definitively.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Let me ask another hypothetical here, the answer of which may be part of
> your answer.
>
> If you were able to convince a coordinator to send out pcns for the exact
> same path and frequencies as the existing license,  and no one replied, is
> it legal to complete the license filing and operate on that path?
>
> If ISP B is just refusing to take any action as opposed to actively
> opposing the transfer this might be an option.  Coordinating on different
> frequencies may be another.
>
> But consult a lawyer.   Just a thought to check into.
> On Mar 2, 2016 3:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:
>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Let me ask another hypothetical here, the answer of which may be part of
your answer.

If you were able to convince a coordinator to send out pcns for the exact
same path and frequencies as the existing license,  and no one replied, is
it legal to complete the license filing and operate on that path?

If ISP B is just refusing to take any action as opposed to actively
opposing the transfer this might be an option.  Coordinating on different
frequencies may be another.

But consult a lawyer.   Just a thought to check into.
On Mar 2, 2016 3:00 PM, "cjwstudios"  wrote:

> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera Packet Logic shaping rules?

[Paul Stewart]

Also would suggest running a report of what your traffic looks like today ... 
might help tell you where you need to focus.  Or just use Live View to get an 
idea . 

Good points from Josh on the "legal" side ... don't know the rules in the US 
but in Canada they are "interesting" to say the least... 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 6:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera Packet Logic shaping rules?

I'll tell you what I did at my previous employer, to the best of my memory

In order of highest to lowest priority...
routing protocols
ssh, ntp
voip and voice messaging
gaming
speedtest servers
streaming video, there was also quite a large buffer for this but I can't 
remember what it was, maybe 500-1000ms general web traffic, other non-mentioned 
traffic ALL updates, microsoft, android, apple, etc.

P2P Traffic was BLOCKED, and was part of our Terms of Service / AUP

VOIP and streaming video were also DSCP flagged for proper classification over 
an AirMax network.

We aimed for the best customer experience possible, and used blanket filters 
[ALL streaming video, ALL gaming, etc] as to not be discriminatory between 
different streaming sources, different games, etc where possible.

I must note that in saying this, we offered full disclosure of these practices 
to our customers when asked. It may be documented somewhere else by now, I am 
busy working on fiber projects. Brush up on the net neutrality rules, and 
possibly consult a lawyer before implementing these changes and posting them on 
your website.

YMMV



On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Darren Shea  wrote:
> Just putting this out there, since our Procera tech contact basically 
> told us that there is no existing collection of "best practices" 
> shaping rules we can work from to develop our specific, custom rules...
>
> For those of you with these Procera boxen, what sort of shaping rules
> (objects) have you found to be very effective at reducing the level of 
> "my internet is slooow!" tech support calls, which usually just come 
> down to a bandwidth saturation problem? Our usual culprits for these 
> are streaming video, cloud backup (especially iPhones), updates 
> (Microsoft, iOS, etc.), and console game downloads, so getting these 
> managed better would be a big deal for us!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

[Paul Stewart]

I like Raspberry Pi units … but I wouldn’t think of using them for servers … 
YMMV .. I think of them more as “useful toys”…. For servers I need redundant 
disc (minimum two Intel SSD w/hardware RAID1), redundant power etc… could be 
blades or physical servers.

 

Now one could argue that for something like DNS, you have redundancy via the 
application too … I completely get that ..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 12:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

 

Was thinking about moving some servers to Raspberry Pi.  I like they take up 
very little rack space and power and with quad cores are pretty fast and now 
they support Centos.  Have you had any issues with flash dying after too many 
writes?

 

 

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Graham McIntire  > wrote:

I run unbound on 2 raspberry Pi 2's, and they consistently outperform any other 
internal or external server I've set up.

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

+100 on that one … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

 

Unbound.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Matt"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:29:19 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

For a simple non-authorative resolver running on Centos do most prefer
Bind or PowerDNS?

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations LicenseRequirements- Hypothetical

[chuck]

Isn’t the presumption that the holder of the license will not cooperate with 
relicensing?

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations 
LicenseRequirements- Hypothetical

But is the equipment abandonded?  Who owns the microwave links?  Who controls 
the structures or the leases to the structures on that agreement?  Why does the 
other party want to hold on to the FCC licenses?

 

If you file with the FCC to abandon the license you’re going to need to remove 
them from service and then relicense them.  Why not just simply relicense the 
gear if you own the hardware?  Yes there will be a significant cost in FCC fees 
and PCN’s, but you can avoid the legal fight and be done with it.  Then file to 
have the licenses abandoned to free up the spectrum later.

 

Maybe better to consult a lawyer and frequency coordinator with specifics, not 
hypotheticals.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn: Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

Yep, I would think you would have to file a petition to cancel the license due 
to abandonment and relicense. I don't think you can force a transfer without a 
court order. I would think you would have to force the transfer due to a 
violation of the purchase agreement. Demand performance or some reparations. 

 

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:40 PM  wrote:

  ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I would 
think.

  You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping 
allowed, and that is the position they would have with licenses but no radios.  

   

  From: cjwstudios 

  Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

  That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.

   

  On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines 
levied for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cjwstudios
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be 
neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the 
transfer of a license.

 

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so 
we opted to replace them.

 

That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one 
is a lawyer;

If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which 
have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer 
said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since 
ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally 
operating the point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I 
correct?

Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

 

   

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Daniel White]

But is the equipment abandonded?  Who owns the microwave links?  Who controls 
the structures or the leases to the structures on that agreement?  Why does the 
other party want to hold on to the FCC licenses?

 

If you file with the FCC to abandon the license you’re going to need to remove 
them from service and then relicense them.  Why not just simply relicense the 
gear if you own the hardware?  Yes there will be a significant cost in FCC fees 
and PCN’s, but you can avoid the legal fight and be done with it.  Then file to 
have the licenses abandoned to free up the spectrum later.

 

Maybe better to consult a lawyer and frequency coordinator with specifics, not 
hypotheticals.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

Yep, I would think you would have to file a petition to cancel the license due 
to abandonment and relicense. I don't think you can force a transfer without a 
court order. I would think you would have to force the transfer due to a 
violation of the purchase agreement. Demand performance or some reparations. 

 

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:40 PM  > wrote:

ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I would 
think.

You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping allowed, 
and that is the position they would have with licenses but no radios.  

 

From: cjwstudios   

Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.

 

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  > wrote:

Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines levied 
for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of cjwstudios
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be neat 
to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the transfer of 
a license.

 

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  > wrote:

Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

 

I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them.

 

That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.

 

 

 

John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi



-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios"  >
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical

I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer;

If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?

Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Procera Packet Logic shaping rules?

[Josh Reynolds]

I'll tell you what I did at my previous employer, to the best of my memory

In order of highest to lowest priority...
routing protocols
ssh, ntp
voip and voice messaging
gaming
speedtest servers
streaming video, there was also quite a large buffer for this but I
can't remember what it was, maybe 500-1000ms
general web traffic, other non-mentioned traffic
ALL updates, microsoft, android, apple, etc.

P2P Traffic was BLOCKED, and was part of our Terms of Service / AUP

VOIP and streaming video were also DSCP flagged for proper
classification over an AirMax network.

We aimed for the best customer experience possible, and used blanket
filters [ALL streaming video, ALL gaming, etc] as to not be
discriminatory between different streaming sources, different games,
etc where possible.

I must note that in saying this, we offered full disclosure of these
practices to our customers when asked. It may be documented somewhere
else by now, I am busy working on fiber projects. Brush up on the net
neutrality rules, and possibly consult a lawyer before implementing
these changes and posting them on your website.

YMMV



On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Darren Shea  wrote:
> Just putting this out there, since our Procera tech contact basically told
> us that there is no existing collection of "best practices" shaping rules we
> can work from to develop our specific, custom rules...
>
> For those of you with these Procera boxen, what sort of shaping rules
> (objects) have you found to be very effective at reducing the level of "my
> internet is slooow!" tech support calls, which usually just come down to a
> bandwidth saturation problem? Our usual culprits for these are streaming
> video, cloud backup (especially iPhones), updates (Microsoft, iOS, etc.),
> and console game downloads, so getting these managed better would be a big
> deal for us!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Some cool stuff

[Lewis Bergman]

I have used roxtec for years. I had a bunch of it, hope I packed it all up
for the move.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:38 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> take a gander at the interesting cable entry systems from these guys I saw
> in Phoenix last week
> www.roxtec.com
>
> For remote sites
> Remote RMC-700 from Westell   www.westtell.com
>
> and new all band cellular amp from Wilson
> WilsonPro 70 Plus
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Lewis Bergman]

Yep, I would think you would have to file a petition to cancel the license
due to abandonment and relicense. I don't think you can force a transfer
without a court order. I would think you would have to force the transfer
due to a violation of the purchase agreement. Demand performance or some
reparations.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:40 PM  wrote:

> ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I
> would think.
> You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping
> allowed, and that is the position they would have with licenses but no
> radios.
>
> *From:* cjwstudios 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
> That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines
>> levied for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *cjwstudios
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be
>> neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the
>> transfer of a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>> Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
>> so we opted to replace them.
>>
>>
>>
>> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "cjwstudios" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Procera Packet Logic shaping rules?

[Darren Shea]

Just putting this out there, since our Procera tech contact basically told
us that there is no existing collection of "best practices" shaping rules we
can work from to develop our specific, custom rules...

For those of you with these Procera boxen, what sort of shaping rules
(objects) have you found to be very effective at reducing the level of "my
internet is slooow!" tech support calls, which usually just come down to a
bandwidth saturation problem? Our usual culprits for these are streaming
video, cloud backup (especially iPhones), updates (Microsoft, iOS, etc.),
and console game downloads, so getting these managed better would be a big
deal for us!

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

Based on this nifty fact sheet it seems like the parties have soiled the
nest but not seeking prior approval.
https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/private-wireless-licensees-obligations-under-section-310d-communications-act-1934

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:40 PM,  wrote:

> ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I
> would think.
> You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping
> allowed, and that is the position they would have with licenses but no
> radios.
>
> *From:* cjwstudios 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines
>> levied for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *cjwstudios
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be
>> neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the
>> transfer of a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>> Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
>> so we opted to replace them.
>>
>>
>>
>> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "cjwstudios" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Josh Luthman]

Pretty sure that's the way it is but not exactly what's really happening.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 2, 2016 5:40 PM,  wrote:

> ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I
> would think.
> You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping
> allowed, and that is the position they would have with licenses but no
> radios.
>
> *From:* cjwstudios 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
>> Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines
>> levied for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *cjwstudios
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be
>> neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the
>> transfer of a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>>
>> Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>>
>>
>> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
>> so we opted to replace them.
>>
>>
>>
>> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "cjwstudios" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[chuck]

ISP B would have to give up the licenses if they are not using them I would 
think.
You cannot license some links and then not build them out.  No camping allowed, 
and that is the position they would have with licenses but no radios.  

From: cjwstudios 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.


On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines levied 
for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cjwstudios
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical



  Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be neat 
to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the transfer of 
a license.



  On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

  Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical



  I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so 
we opted to replace them.



  That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.







  John Woodfield, President

  Delmarva WiFi Inc.

  410-870-WiFi



  -Original Message-
  From: "cjwstudios" 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

  I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is 
a lawyer;

  If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?

  Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

[AFMUG] Some cool stuff

[Jaime Solorza]

take a gander at the interesting cable entry systems from these guys I saw
in Phoenix last week
www.roxtec.com

For remote sites
Remote RMC-700 from Westell   www.westtell.com

and new all band cellular amp from Wilson
WilsonPro 70 Plus
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

That's great info.  Hope to find a case on it.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines
> levied for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *cjwstudios
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
>
>
> Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be
> neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the
> transfer of a license.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>
> Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
>
>
> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
> so we opted to replace them.
>
>
>
> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "cjwstudios" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Hardy, Tim]

Part 1.948 makes it a requirement and there have been very large fines levied 
for transferring licenses without first gaining FCC approval

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of cjwstudios
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical

Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be neat 
to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the transfer of 
a license.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim 
> wrote:
Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical


I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them.



That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios" >
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical
I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer;
If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?
Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

Hah good one Josh.  No checks sent in this hypothetical.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Hopefully you didn't send them the check.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:09 PM, cjwstudios  wrote:
>
>> Lewis,
>> Thank you, presume it did but the ISP B is refusing to transfer the
>> licenses.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The purchase agreement should have addressed the transfer of all
>>> licensed links and the transfer of the licenses.
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: cjwstudios 
>>> Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks John, in this case the links would be needed.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:03 PM, John Woodfield 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and
 antiquated so we opted to replace them.



 That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.







 John Woodfield, President

 Delmarva WiFi Inc.

 410-870-WiFi



 -Original Message-
 From: "cjwstudios" 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
 Requirements- Hypothetical

 I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no
 one is a lawyer;

 If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
 have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
 transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
 solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
 be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
 from ISP B, am I correct?

 Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

Lewis,
Thank you, presume it did but the ISP B is refusing to transfer the
licenses.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> The purchase agreement should have addressed the transfer of all licensed
> links and the transfer of the licenses.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: cjwstudios 
> Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
> To: af@afmug.com 
>
>
> Thanks John, in this case the links would be needed.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:03 PM, John Woodfield 
> wrote:
>
>> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
>> so we opted to replace them.
>>
>>
>>
>> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "cjwstudios" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
>> Requirements- Hypothetical
>>
>> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
>> is a lawyer;
>>
>> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
>> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
>> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
>> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
>> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
>> from ISP B, am I correct?
>>
>> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

Thanks Tim, it feels like 101.55 is optional, don't you think?  Would be
neat to say that the trigger of a merger or similar action requires the
transfer of a license.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
>
>
> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
> so we opted to replace them.
>
>
>
> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "cjwstudios" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>

[AFMUG] Fwd: Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Lewis Bergman]

The purchase agreement should have addressed the transfer of all licensed
links and the transfer of the licenses.

-- Forwarded message -
From: cjwstudios 
Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2016, 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
Requirements- Hypothetical
To: af@afmug.com 


Thanks John, in this case the links would be needed.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:03 PM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
> so we opted to replace them.
>
>
>
> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "cjwstudios" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[cjwstudios]

Thanks John, in this case the links would be needed.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:03 PM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated
> so we opted to replace them.
>
>
>
> That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "cjwstudios" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License
> Requirements- Hypothetical
>
> I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one
> is a lawyer;
>
> If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which
> have operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to
> transfer said licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's
> solution?  Since ISP A is now the operator of the control point they would
> be illegally operating the point to point stations without assuming them
> from ISP B, am I correct?
>
> Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[Hardy, Tim]

Not a lawyer – but 101.55 is the rule section

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 5:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License 
Requirements- Hypothetical


I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them.



That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios" >
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical
I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer;
If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?
Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[John Woodfield]

I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them.
 
That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical





I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer;

If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?

Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Josh Reynolds]

Come to think of it, OpenSolaris probably does too.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> I've heard that open/netBSD run pretty well on those.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> I think I have a couple Ultra 5 pizza boxes here slated for the recycler, if
>> anyone wants one for their museum.  Also I think there's a DS10L AlphaServer
>> if anyone misses OpenVMS.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 3:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>>
>> To be fair, I've had Linux boxes over the years that have been just as
>> stable. The combination of the sun hardware and pretty rigorous
>> kernel/software testing was a sweet deal though.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah yes... the slowest, most stable operating system ever. Back in the day,
>>> our email server ran on a Sun Ultra5 with over 8,000 accounts and
>>> regularly
>>> had uptimes in years. Our DNS server was also on an Ultra5 with Solaris
>>> and
>>> I think when we finally shut it down the uptime was over 5 years.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2016 11:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


 Oh Solaris, how I kind-of miss thee.

 On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:29 PM,   wrote:
>
>
> Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation
> or
> something similar.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>
> I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
> Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.
>
> On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
> broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
> like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."
>
>
> On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>
>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
>> personnel PCs
>
>
>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Josh Reynolds]

I've heard that open/netBSD run pretty well on those.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I think I have a couple Ultra 5 pizza boxes here slated for the recycler, if
> anyone wants one for their museum.  Also I think there's a DS10L AlphaServer
> if anyone misses OpenVMS.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 3:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>
> To be fair, I've had Linux boxes over the years that have been just as
> stable. The combination of the sun hardware and pretty rigorous
> kernel/software testing was a sweet deal though.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> Ah yes... the slowest, most stable operating system ever. Back in the day,
>> our email server ran on a Sun Ultra5 with over 8,000 accounts and
>> regularly
>> had uptimes in years. Our DNS server was also on an Ultra5 with Solaris
>> and
>> I think when we finally shut it down the uptime was over 5 years.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2016 11:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh Solaris, how I kind-of miss thee.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:29 PM,   wrote:


 Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation
 or
 something similar.

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

 I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
 Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.

 On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
 broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
 like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


 On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>
> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
> personnel PCs



>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Ken Hohhof]

I think I have a couple Ultra 5 pizza boxes here slated for the recycler, if 
anyone wants one for their museum.  Also I think there's a DS10L AlphaServer 
if anyone misses OpenVMS.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

To be fair, I've had Linux boxes over the years that have been just as
stable. The combination of the sun hardware and pretty rigorous
kernel/software testing was a sweet deal though.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

Ah yes... the slowest, most stable operating system ever. Back in the day,
our email server ran on a Sun Ultra5 with over 8,000 accounts and 
regularly
had uptimes in years. Our DNS server was also on an Ultra5 with Solaris 
and

I think when we finally shut it down the uptime was over 5 years.

Travis


On 3/2/2016 11:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


Oh Solaris, how I kind-of miss thee.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:29 PM,   wrote:


Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation 
or

something similar.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.

On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:


good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Josh Reynolds]

To be fair, I've had Linux boxes over the years that have been just as
stable. The combination of the sun hardware and pretty rigorous
kernel/software testing was a sweet deal though.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Ah yes... the slowest, most stable operating system ever. Back in the day,
> our email server ran on a Sun Ultra5 with over 8,000 accounts and regularly
> had uptimes in years. Our DNS server was also on an Ultra5 with Solaris and
> I think when we finally shut it down the uptime was over 5 years.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/2/2016 11:30 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Oh Solaris, how I kind-of miss thee.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:29 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation or
>>> something similar.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>>>
>>> I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
>>> Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
>>> broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
>>> like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
 personnel PCs
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i watched a show on that once, the guy had been killed twice and revived or
something like that. madness, but would be fun to do for one season

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:15 PM,  wrote:

> You ought to see the suit that the guys wear to work on hot 69kV lines
> around here.  They jump off of a helicopter skid onto a live wire and do
> all kinds of stuff.  Looks like chain mail.  They claim they can feel it
> when they make contact.
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
> We had to buy one for a tower that had some hot stuff we had to climb near
> and it worked well.  3 months later, the hot antennas were turned off.
> Still have the $ 1200  suit… also works for Bee-keepers … ummm. maybe
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
>
> Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.
>
>
> http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
>
>
> Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost
> definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the
> landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we
> are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up.
> Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont have to
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you
> enter area by law.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
>
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
>
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
>
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] For those selling 100Mbps+ plans, what do your oversub ratios currently look like?

[Sterling Jacobson]

It appears that people don't use much more bandwidth on 100Mbps or 1000Mbps or 
50Mbps, kind of all the same.

I do plan on about 1-2Mbps per user prime time.

So 500 users max 1Gbps at peak times.

This is on fiber, users getting at least 100Mbps per user connection rate 
CPE/ONT

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] For those selling 100Mbps+ plans, what do your oversub ratios 
currently look like?

Just curious.

(This is more to the fiber side of the house)

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Jaime Solorza]

We worked with DEC as a CADD/CAM integration VAR back in 92 through 94..and
got to see those Sparcs used at WSMR...we installed DECs LAN stuff and
AutoCAD plus PM for engineering group.   Really good money..
On Mar 2, 2016 11:29 AM,  wrote:

> Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation or
> something similar.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>
> I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
> Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.
>
> On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
> broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
> like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."
>
>
> On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
>> personnel PCs
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Planning to 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama
Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2016 12:31 PM

But you can be an E Rate vendor too.  You should be bidding on all the 
E Rate jobs in your area.  Easy money.  




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:22 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across 
Alabama



So - everything I had pretty much heard about this before 
- means this can't be done and is illegal.
But actually - I guess not.  If a local company in 
the state of Alabama expands to connect school systems
using e-rate money , the additional pairs of fiber can be 
used for other purposes, right?

I know of this traveller company... (quoted in the 
article).  They're a lot like our WISPs, except we never hear
that they do any business. We are on a lot of the same 
towers.  Apparently they only do business customers.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/schools_will_bring_high-speed.html

Nearly three dozen Alabama public school systems will take 
the first step this month to build their own high-speed Internet 
networks.

It is the first phase of a plan to extend high-speed 
Internet into rural Alabama announced by Gov. Robert Bentley in his Feb. 2 
State 
of the State speech.

More school districts will follow in 2017 and 2018 until 
publicly owned networks bring high-speed Internet to thousands of state 
students 
who don't have it now, officials say.

The schools will be seeking bids from companies who want 
to build, operate and maintain – but not own - high-speed Internet connections 
to schools and libraries, state officials say.

Experts from across the state, led by Office of Broadband 
Development Director Kathy Johnson, have been studying how to do it since July 
2015.

What the governor said

"Technology is growing at lightning speed, changing the 
way we educate, deliver healthcare and even start a business," Bentley said in 
his speech. "Yet our communities and rural areas cannot tap into the potential 
that Broadband access would bring."

Other cities and counties across America are rapidly  
extending high-speed Internet. A recent Washington conference showed how 
doctors 
are monitoring patients over high-speed lines, students are watching live 
demonstrations from distant colleges, and cities are putting free high-speed 
Internet into community centers in low-income neighborhoods.

Nearly 1 million Alabamians have no access to high-speed 
Internet, according to a recent federal study, and 41 percent of them are in 
the 
state's rural areas.alabama broadband map.JPGThis map, which is several 
years old and was generated for the Connect Alabama effort, shows Broadband or 
high-speed Internet providers in rural Alabama. The lightest colored areas have 
1 or 2 providers and the darkest have 5 or more providers. 

Part of the reason is business economics. Running fiber 
cable or using towers to beam Wi-Fi Internet access costs money. Private
companies want a return on that investment. 


"If you've only got 50 or 60 customers (in a town)," 
explains Tim Erwin, owner and CEO of Huntsville's Traveller Multimedia Network, 
"how do you stay in business?"

State Education Trust Fund money

In the first phase of Bentley's plan, State Education 
Trust Fund money would match federal grants to build the fiber networks, 
Johnson 
said this week. The federal grant program is called E-rate, and it can pay up 
to 
90 percent of the cost of running the fiber cable to rural areas.

The federal share of the spending comes from fees paid by 
all Americans on their telephone bills now.

Bentley says rural connectivity won't just improve 
schools, law enforcement communications and healthcare. He told the Legislature 
it will lead to "enhanced economic development opportunities."

The governor offered few specifics on how the state will 
take to make that happen, but he did mention "cutting the bureaucracy" around 
Internet service now and providing infrastructure.

Cutting the bureaucracy could mean making it easier for 
companies to access public rights of way and power poles to extend their
services. It isn't immediately clear what "providing infrastructure" might 
mean.

Opelika and Auburn

One example of the complications is found in Opelika and 
neighboring Auburn. Opelika has a municipally owned and operated high-speed 
system that provides television, telephone and Internet service to customers – 
so-called "Triple Play" service. The city originally ran and connected its 
fiber 
cable to create a "smart" utility grid, then realized it could provide 
additional services.

But Opelika is banned by state law from offering Internet 
service to next-door Auburn because Auburn isn't in the Opelika city limits. 
Fencing Opelika protects other commercial Internet providers.

Those Internet providers, including large 

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh Solaris, how I kind-of miss thee.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:29 PM,   wrote:
> Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation or
> something similar.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations
>
> I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
> Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.
>
> On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
> broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
> like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."
>
>
> On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
>> personnel PCs
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[chuck]

Whenever I hear or think of Workstation, I think of a SUN SPARCstation or 
something similar.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.

On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support 
personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

[Josh Reynolds]

Chris works really hard to make good stuff. I haven't talked to him in
awhile now, but he's always working on something...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Works like a champ too.
>
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch
>
>
> The Netonix WS-12-250 will take 12V input and put out 48V like you need. As
> far as I know it’s the smallest one they make that will take in 12V
> natively.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 4:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch
>
>
>
> Definitely 24 and 48 volts.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I think the netonix is multi-voltage? At lease 48/24. Maybe also 12, but
> IDKFS.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 120vac to
> 12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc converter in the same
> space.
>
> That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I
> thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do a
> Mean Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of the
> 55. So I'm kinda stuck on what to do.
>
> On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> Netonix perhaps?
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me the
> required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports would be
> fine.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[chuck]

You ought to see the suit that the guys wear to work on hot 69kV lines around 
here.  They jump off of a helicopter skid onto a live wire and do all kinds of 
stuff.  Looks like chain mail.  They claim they can feel it when they make 
contact.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

We had to buy one for a tower that had some hot stuff we had to climb near and 
it worked well.  3 months later, the hot antennas were turned off.  Still have 
the $ 1200  suit… also works for Bee-keepers … ummm. maybe

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

 

Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.

http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html

 

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

 

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost definitely 
paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the landlord. we are 
colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we are getting cooked 
there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up. Thats a telephone 
number i dont want to call if i dont have to

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter 
area by law.

On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray"  wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 

 

1 - Level above existing installation.

2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.

3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

 

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[chuck]

Good to know.  

From: mailto:p...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start 
feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned 
down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

[chuck]

Works like a champ too.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

The Netonix WS-12-250 will take 12V input and put out 48V like you need. As far 
as I know it’s the smallest one they make that will take in 12V natively.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

 

Definitely 24 and 48 volts.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I think the netonix is multi-voltage? At lease 48/24. Maybe also 12, but IDKFS.




bp On 3/1/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 120vac to 
12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc converter in the same 
space. 

  That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.

  On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I 
thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do a Mean 
Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of the 55. So 
I'm kinda stuck on what to do.

  On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  Netonix perhaps?

  On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give 
me the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports would 
be fine.

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Jaime Solorza]

TypoAcer Q1VZC ASPIRE
On Mar 2, 2016 9:03 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Which Asus?
>
> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought an Asus notebook at pawn shop in an emergency when customer
>> knocked my dell off table and it has been reliable.   Zero issuesI use
>> it as my on site computer...
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2016 4:44 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and did I mention they support dual monitors too?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:44 AM Lewis Bergman
>> > wrote:
>>
>> garlandcomputers.com 
>> I think they are mostly dell but I have had some good luck
>> with them. Pretty cheap for one or two year old computers. On
>> a side note, I had good luck in our support department with an
>> ASUS Vivo Mini
>> <
>> http://www.frys.com/product/8726131?source=google=CJK43rL1ocsCFQmQaQod_-EG4g
>> >.
>> They are small, quiet, and can be mounted to the back of a
>> desktop monitor to save space. If you have a lot of people in
>> one room it is amazing how much quieter the room is with a
>> bunch of these instead of a desktops with big fans.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM Gino Villarini
>> > wrote:
>>
>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our
>> support personnel PCs
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver

[Matt]

Was thinking about moving some servers to Raspberry Pi.  I like they take
up very little rack space and power and with quad cores are pretty fast and
now they support Centos.  Have you had any issues with flash dying after
too many writes?



On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Graham McIntire  wrote:

> I run unbound on 2 raspberry Pi 2's, and they consistently outperform any
> other internal or external server I've set up.
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> +100 on that one …
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2016 11:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver
>>
>>
>>
>> Unbound.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Matt" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:29:19 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] PowerDNS vs Bind for Resolver
>>
>> For a simple non-authorative resolver running on Centos do most prefer
>> Bind or PowerDNS?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

oh, pretty sure they're looking at fiber.  i wish they'd do microwave - much 
more cost effective.
in none of the articles i have found have they named which counties.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 10:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama


  I have heard of the same thing being done via microwave before.
  Basically using e-rate money to purchase licensed links to
  crossconnect schools or to provide them with an internet/wan
  connection, while using part of the capacity for other uses. Nothing
  against it, as far as I know.

  Also MoreNet here in Missouri does something similar with fiber.

  On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
   wrote:
  >
  > So - everything I had pretty much heard about this before - means this can't
  > be done and is illegal.
  > But actually - I guess not.  If a local company in the state of Alabama
  > expands to connect school systems
  > using e-rate money , the additional pairs of fiber can be used for other
  > purposes, right?
  >
  > I know of this traveller company... (quoted in the article).  They're a lot
  > like our WISPs, except we never hear
  > that they do any business. We are on a lot of the same towers.  Apparently
  > they only do business customers.
  >
  > http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/schools_will_bring_high-speed.html
  >
  > Nearly three dozen Alabama public school systems will take the first step
  > this month to build their own high-speed Internet networks.
  >
  > It is the first phase of a plan to extend high-speed Internet into rural
  > Alabama announced by Gov. Robert Bentley in his Feb. 2 State of the State
  > speech.
  >
  > More school districts will follow in 2017 and 2018 until publicly owned
  > networks bring high-speed Internet to thousands of state students who don't
  > have it now, officials say.
  >
  > The schools will be seeking bids from companies who want to build, operate
  > and maintain – but not own - high-speed Internet connections to schools and
  > libraries, state officials say.
  >
  > Experts from across the state, led by Office of Broadband Development
  > Director Kathy Johnson, have been studying how to do it since July 2015.
  >
  > What the governor said
  >
  >  "Technology is growing at lightning speed, changing the way we educate,
  > deliver healthcare and even start a business," Bentley said in his speech.
  > "Yet our communities and rural areas cannot tap into the potential that
  > Broadband access would bring."
  >
  > Other cities and counties across America are rapidly  extending high-speed
  > Internet. A recent Washington conference showed how doctors are monitoring
  > patients over high-speed lines, students are watching live demonstrations
  > from distant colleges, and cities are putting free high-speed Internet into
  > community centers in low-income neighborhoods.
  >
  > Nearly 1 million Alabamians have no access to high-speed Internet, according
  > to a recent federal study, and 41 percent of them are in the state's rural
  > areas.
  > alabama broadband map.JPGThis map, which is several years old and was
  > generated for the Connect Alabama effort, shows Broadband or high-speed
  > Internet providers in rural Alabama. The lightest colored areas have 1 or 2
  > providers and the darkest have 5 or more providers.
  >
  > Part of the reason is business economics. Running fiber cable or using
  > towers to beam Wi-Fi Internet access costs money. Private companies want a
  > return on that investment.
  >
  > "If you've only got 50 or 60 customers (in a town)," explains Tim Erwin,
  > owner and CEO of Huntsville's Traveller Multimedia Network, "how do you stay
  > in business?"
  >
  > State Education Trust Fund money
  >
  > In the first phase of Bentley's plan, State Education Trust Fund money would
  > match federal grants to build the fiber networks, Johnson said this week.
  > The federal grant program is called E-rate, and it can pay up to 90 percent
  > of the cost of running the fiber cable to rural areas.
  >
  > The federal share of the spending comes from fees paid by all Americans on
  > their telephone bills now.
  >
  > Bentley says rural connectivity won't just improve schools, law enforcement
  > communications and healthcare. He told the Legislature it will lead to
  > "enhanced economic development opportunities."
  >
  > The governor offered few specifics on how the state will take to make that
  > happen, but he did mention "cutting the bureaucracy" around Internet service
  > now and providing infrastructure.
  >
  > Cutting the bureaucracy could mean making it easier for companies to access
  > public rights of way and power poles to extend their services. It isn't
  > immediately clear what "providing infrastructure" might mean.
  >
  > Opelika and Auburn
  >
  > One example of the complications is found in 

Re: [AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama

[Josh Reynolds]

I have heard of the same thing being done via microwave before.
Basically using e-rate money to purchase licensed links to
crossconnect schools or to provide them with an internet/wan
connection, while using part of the capacity for other uses. Nothing
against it, as far as I know.

Also MoreNet here in Missouri does something similar with fiber.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 wrote:
>
> So - everything I had pretty much heard about this before - means this can't
> be done and is illegal.
> But actually - I guess not.  If a local company in the state of Alabama
> expands to connect school systems
> using e-rate money , the additional pairs of fiber can be used for other
> purposes, right?
>
> I know of this traveller company... (quoted in the article).  They're a lot
> like our WISPs, except we never hear
> that they do any business. We are on a lot of the same towers.  Apparently
> they only do business customers.
>
> http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/schools_will_bring_high-speed.html
>
> Nearly three dozen Alabama public school systems will take the first step
> this month to build their own high-speed Internet networks.
>
> It is the first phase of a plan to extend high-speed Internet into rural
> Alabama announced by Gov. Robert Bentley in his Feb. 2 State of the State
> speech.
>
> More school districts will follow in 2017 and 2018 until publicly owned
> networks bring high-speed Internet to thousands of state students who don't
> have it now, officials say.
>
> The schools will be seeking bids from companies who want to build, operate
> and maintain – but not own - high-speed Internet connections to schools and
> libraries, state officials say.
>
> Experts from across the state, led by Office of Broadband Development
> Director Kathy Johnson, have been studying how to do it since July 2015.
>
> What the governor said
>
>  "Technology is growing at lightning speed, changing the way we educate,
> deliver healthcare and even start a business," Bentley said in his speech.
> "Yet our communities and rural areas cannot tap into the potential that
> Broadband access would bring."
>
> Other cities and counties across America are rapidly  extending high-speed
> Internet. A recent Washington conference showed how doctors are monitoring
> patients over high-speed lines, students are watching live demonstrations
> from distant colleges, and cities are putting free high-speed Internet into
> community centers in low-income neighborhoods.
>
> Nearly 1 million Alabamians have no access to high-speed Internet, according
> to a recent federal study, and 41 percent of them are in the state's rural
> areas.
> alabama broadband map.JPGThis map, which is several years old and was
> generated for the Connect Alabama effort, shows Broadband or high-speed
> Internet providers in rural Alabama. The lightest colored areas have 1 or 2
> providers and the darkest have 5 or more providers.
>
> Part of the reason is business economics. Running fiber cable or using
> towers to beam Wi-Fi Internet access costs money. Private companies want a
> return on that investment.
>
> "If you've only got 50 or 60 customers (in a town)," explains Tim Erwin,
> owner and CEO of Huntsville's Traveller Multimedia Network, "how do you stay
> in business?"
>
> State Education Trust Fund money
>
> In the first phase of Bentley's plan, State Education Trust Fund money would
> match federal grants to build the fiber networks, Johnson said this week.
> The federal grant program is called E-rate, and it can pay up to 90 percent
> of the cost of running the fiber cable to rural areas.
>
> The federal share of the spending comes from fees paid by all Americans on
> their telephone bills now.
>
> Bentley says rural connectivity won't just improve schools, law enforcement
> communications and healthcare. He told the Legislature it will lead to
> "enhanced economic development opportunities."
>
> The governor offered few specifics on how the state will take to make that
> happen, but he did mention "cutting the bureaucracy" around Internet service
> now and providing infrastructure.
>
> Cutting the bureaucracy could mean making it easier for companies to access
> public rights of way and power poles to extend their services. It isn't
> immediately clear what "providing infrastructure" might mean.
>
> Opelika and Auburn
>
> One example of the complications is found in Opelika and neighboring Auburn.
> Opelika has a municipally owned and operated high-speed system that provides
> television, telephone and Internet service to customers – so-called "Triple
> Play" service. The city originally ran and connected its fiber cable to
> create a "smart" utility grid, then realized it could provide additional
> services.
>
> But Opelika is banned by state law from offering Internet service to
> next-door Auburn because Auburn isn't in the Opelika city limits. Fencing
> Opelika protects other commercial Internet 

[AFMUG] Erate to expand broadband across Alabama

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

So - everything I had pretty much heard about this before - means this can't be 
done and is illegal.
But actually - I guess not.  If a local company in the state of Alabama expands 
to connect school systems
using e-rate money , the additional pairs of fiber can be used for other 
purposes, right?

I know of this traveller company... (quoted in the article).  They're a lot 
like our WISPs, except we never hear
that they do any business. We are on a lot of the same towers.  Apparently they 
only do business customers.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/schools_will_bring_high-speed.html

Nearly three dozen Alabama public school systems will take the first step this 
month to build their own high-speed Internet networks.

It is the first phase of a plan to extend high-speed Internet into rural 
Alabama announced by Gov. Robert Bentley in his Feb. 2 State of the State 
speech.

More school districts will follow in 2017 and 2018 until publicly owned 
networks bring high-speed Internet to thousands of state students who don't 
have it now, officials say.

The schools will be seeking bids from companies who want to build, operate and 
maintain - but not own - high-speed Internet connections to schools and 
libraries, state officials say.

Experts from across the state, led by Office of Broadband Development Director 
Kathy Johnson, have been studying how to do it since July 2015.

What the governor said

 "Technology is growing at lightning speed, changing the way we educate, 
deliver healthcare and even start a business," Bentley said in his speech. "Yet 
our communities and rural areas cannot tap into the potential that Broadband 
access would bring."

Other cities and counties across America are rapidly  extending high-speed 
Internet. A recent Washington conference showed how doctors are monitoring 
patients over high-speed lines, students are watching live demonstrations from 
distant colleges, and cities are putting free high-speed Internet into 
community centers in low-income neighborhoods.

Nearly 1 million Alabamians have no access to high-speed Internet, according to 
a recent federal study, and 41 percent of them are in the state's rural areas.
alabama broadband map.JPGThis map, which is several years old and was generated 
for the Connect Alabama effort, shows Broadband or high-speed Internet 
providers in rural Alabama. The lightest colored areas have 1 or 2 providers 
and the darkest have 5 or more providers. 

Part of the reason is business economics. Running fiber cable or using towers 
to beam Wi-Fi Internet access costs money. Private companies want a return on 
that investment. 

"If you've only got 50 or 60 customers (in a town)," explains Tim Erwin, owner 
and CEO of Huntsville's Traveller Multimedia Network, "how do you stay in 
business?"

State Education Trust Fund money

In the first phase of Bentley's plan, State Education Trust Fund money would 
match federal grants to build the fiber networks, Johnson said this week. The 
federal grant program is called E-rate, and it can pay up to 90 percent of the 
cost of running the fiber cable to rural areas.

The federal share of the spending comes from fees paid by all Americans on 
their telephone bills now.

Bentley says rural connectivity won't just improve schools, law enforcement 
communications and healthcare. He told the Legislature it will lead to 
"enhanced economic development opportunities."

The governor offered few specifics on how the state will take to make that 
happen, but he did mention "cutting the bureaucracy" around Internet service 
now and providing infrastructure.

Cutting the bureaucracy could mean making it easier for companies to access 
public rights of way and power poles to extend their services. It isn't 
immediately clear what "providing infrastructure" might mean.

Opelika and Auburn

One example of the complications is found in Opelika and neighboring Auburn. 
Opelika has a municipally owned and operated high-speed system that provides 
television, telephone and Internet service to customers - so-called "Triple 
Play" service. The city originally ran and connected its fiber cable to create 
a "smart" utility grid, then realized it could provide additional services.

But Opelika is banned by state law from offering Internet service to next-door 
Auburn because Auburn isn't in the Opelika city limits. Fencing Opelika 
protects other commercial Internet providers.

Those Internet providers, including large telecommunications companies such as 
AT, Comcast and Charter, are leery of publicly owned Internet, to say the 
least.

But providing high-speed Internet to schools and libraries isn't as 
controversial.

 "We have provided school buildings with power, water and roads," Johnson said. 
"It's the government's role to also provide high-speed Internet."

'Not a horrible idea'

"That's not a horrible idea at all," David Williams of the Washington-based 
Taxpayers Protection Alliance said Tuesday of 

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Jay Weekley]

Which Asus?

Jaime Solorza wrote:


I bought an Asus notebook at pawn shop in an emergency when customer 
knocked my dell off table and it has been reliable.   Zero issuesI 
use it as my on site computer...


On Mar 2, 2016 4:44 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:


Oh, and did I mention they support dual monitors too?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:44 AM Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

garlandcomputers.com 
I think they are mostly dell but I have had some good luck
with them. Pretty cheap for one or two year old computers. On
a side note, I had good luck in our support department with an
ASUS Vivo Mini

.
They are small, quiet, and can be mounted to the back of a
desktop monitor to save space. If you have a lot of people in
one room it is amazing how much quieter the room is with a
bunch of these instead of a desktops with big fans.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM Gino Villarini
> wrote:

good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our
support personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

[Adam Moffett]

I wish they (everybody) would do something different with cable glands 
where the SFP slot is.  You end up having to replace the cable gland 
with a conduit fitting and build something to house the breakout.  I 
wonder if they should just put a cap over that SFP port, and then sell 
an interconnect box as an accessory that can attach to it.


On 3/2/2016 9:56 AM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


We have been using fiber for our entire Telrad build….I do wish 
Cambium would follow suit…..less the ridiculous practice of charging 
to use a SFP port on the 650 for example. Vendors are a little light 
on the fiber options…but I’m sure that will change.  We are entirely a 
Mikrotik routed environment….I do wish there was more predictability 
with the fiber stuff…but it has come along way…and pricing is great.  
We have close to 50+ CCR’s in the field and 2 CCR1072’s at our 2 
Core’s… great value…and the product came out just in time……on to 40G? ;.>


Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Make sure you tell that to your wireless vendors.  :-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Andreas Wiatowski" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, March 2, 2016 8:43:45 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Faisal,

Thanks for the great explanation.

And I agree, that every sfp module seems to have a different 
“personality” in terms of strength. We have seen this in a number of 
occasions with MM fiber. I have been buying my SFP modules from a 
company in California called ROBOFIBER… the quality is good, and 
pricing is not bad.  I do use some Maxxwave, Mikrotik and Finisar as 
well.  In fact, I can’t believe how much we have started moving to 
fiber over the past year…..times have certainly changed!


Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email andr...@silowireless.com 

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Let me see if I can try to clear up some confusion and help in sorting 
this out.


The optics, have TX and RX lasers... The TX will Transmit the Laser, 
and RX will Receive the Signal.


You have the look at the MFG Specs to see what is the TX power and 
what is the RX sensitivity.


Typically you need to have 5-7db of signal margin to have a link.

Now, each fiber connector has a 'Loss', each fiber cable has a signal 
loss rating this is a figure you can ask the Dark fiber supplier 
to provide to you...


Irrespective of whose fiber it is, when it was installed, or when a 
contractor worked on splicing it, they would have produced a 'loss' 
report.. e.g.  20 mile link is expected to have X db of Loss.


So, on paper, one would do the calculations as follows =  TX signal - 
Loss of all connectors and cable = RX Signal expected.


This RX Signal needs to be 5-7db higher than the RX Sensitivity figure 
of that Optic module for a good solid link.


Now, no two modules put out the same power, or have the same 
rx-sensitivity... there is always a certain amount of variation


Now, no two modules rated for the same distance from two different 
mfg.  have the same set of TX & RX Specs.


So it is ideal to have a light meter (you can get one for as low as 
$50 from Ebay, Fiberstore etc, don't worry about having a cheap meter, 
having one is better than having none).


This way one can measure the light coming out of the Optics and what 
is being received from the far side.


One can use a relative test to measure loss across a cable (same 
optics, via a device that read RX & TX signals, such as the CCR) to 
determine that is the Loss on the cable end 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We have been using fiber for our entire Telrad build….I do wish Cambium would 
follow suit…..less the ridiculous practice of charging to use a SFP port on the 
650 for example. Vendors are a little light on the fiber options…but I’m sure 
that will change.  We are entirely a Mikrotik routed environment….I do wish 
there was more predictability with the fiber stuff…but it has come along 
way…and pricing is great.  We have close to 50+ CCR’s in the field and 2 
CCR1072’s at our 2 Core’s… great value…and the product came out just in 
time……on to 40G? ;.>

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Make sure you tell that to your wireless vendors.  :-)


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 8:43:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB
Faisal,

Thanks for the great explanation.

And I agree, that every sfp module seems to have a different “personality” in 
terms of strength. We have seen this in a number of occasions with MM fiber.  I 
have been buying my SFP modules from a company in California called ROBOFIBER… 
the quality is good, and pricing is not bad.  I do use some Maxxwave, Mikrotik 
and Finisar as well.  In fact, I can’t believe how much we have started moving 
to fiber over the past year…..times have certainly changed!

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Let me see if I can try to clear up some confusion and help in sorting this out.

The optics, have TX and RX lasers... The TX will Transmit the Laser, and RX 
will Receive the Signal.
You have the look at the MFG Specs to see what is the TX power and what is the 
RX sensitivity.
Typically you need to have 5-7db of signal margin to have a link.

Now, each fiber connector has a 'Loss', each fiber cable has a signal loss 
rating this is a figure you can ask the Dark fiber supplier to provide to 
you...
Irrespective of whose fiber it is, when it was installed, or when a contractor 
worked on splicing it, they would have produced a 'loss' report.. e.g.  20 mile 
link is expected to have X db of Loss.

So, on paper, one would do the calculations as follows =  TX signal - Loss of 
all connectors and cable = RX Signal expected.
This RX Signal needs to be 5-7db higher than the RX Sensitivity figure of that 
Optic module for a good solid link.

Now, no two modules put out the same power, or have the same rx-sensitivity... 
there is always a certain amount of variation
Now, no two modules rated for the same distance from two different mfg.  have 
the same set of TX & RX Specs.

So it is ideal to have a light meter (you can get one for as low as $50 from 
Ebay, Fiberstore etc, don't worry about having a cheap meter, having one is 
better than having none).
This way one can measure the light coming out of the Optics and what is being 
received from the far side.

One can use a relative test to measure loss across a cable (same optics, via a 
device that read RX & TX signals, such as the CCR) to determine that is the 
Loss on the cable end to end, based on this one can determine if there is a 
possible problem on a particular set of fiber 

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Rory Conaway]

We are using the T420’s we get from eBay.  Looking to move to 420s’s though, 
much smaller and lighter although you have to get the extra battery for them 
which is more expensive.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations


We started using Zotac Zbox i3/i5/i7 - whatever was cheap on eBay for desktops. 
They scream with a SSD. I'm using one now that is an i5 with triple screens. 
Doesn't miss a beat.



I started buying refurb Thinkpad T410's on eBay for $200 and I've been really 
happy with those. Again, with a SSD they do great.







John Woodfield, President

Delmarva WiFi Inc.

410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" >
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger
Direct. You can get very decent machines there for $300.

On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our
broken. Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
> personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

[Mike Hammett]

Make sure you tell that to your wireless vendors. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Andreas Wiatowski"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 8:43:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB 



Faisal, 

Thanks for the great explanation. 

And I agree, that every sfp module seems to have a different “personality” in 
terms of strength. We have seen this in a number of occasions with MM fiber. I 
have been buying my SFP modules from a company in California called ROBOFIBER… 
the quality is good, and pricing is not bad. I do use some Maxxwave, Mikrotik 
and Finisar as well. In fact, I can’t believe how much we have started moving 
to fiber over the past year…..times have certainly changed! 


Cheers, 
__ 
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO 
Silo Wireless Inc. 
Email andr...@silowireless.com 
19 Sage Court 
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) 
Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB 



Let me see if I can try to clear up some confusion and help in sorting this 
out. 



The optics, have TX and RX lasers... The TX will Transmit the Laser, and RX 
will Receive the Signal. 

You have the look at the MFG Specs to see what is the TX power and what is the 
RX sensitivity. 

Typically you need to have 5-7db of signal margin to have a link. 



Now, each fiber connector has a 'Loss', each fiber cable has a signal loss 
rating this is a figure you can ask the Dark fiber supplier to provide to 
you... 

Irrespective of whose fiber it is, when it was installed, or when a contractor 
worked on splicing it, they would have produced a 'loss' report.. e.g. 20 mile 
link is expected to have X db of Loss. 



So, on paper, one would do the calculations as follows = TX signal - Loss of 
all connectors and cable = RX Signal expected. 

This RX Signal needs to be 5-7db higher than the RX Sensitivity figure of that 
Optic module for a good solid link. 



Now, no two modules put out the same power, or have the same rx-sensitivity... 
there is always a certain amount of variation 

Now, no two modules rated for the same distance from two different mfg. have 
the same set of TX & RX Specs. 



So it is ideal to have a light meter (you can get one for as low as $50 from 
Ebay, Fiberstore etc, don't worry about having a cheap meter, having one is 
better than having none). 

This way one can measure the light coming out of the Optics and what is being 
received from the far side. 



One can use a relative test to measure loss across a cable (same optics, via a 
device that read RX & TX signals, such as the CCR) to determine that is the 
Loss on the cable end to end, based on this one can determine if there is a 
possible problem on a particular set of fiber cables and yes this can 
happen, for multitude of reasons, but before you jump on the issue being on the 
actual fiber cable, do test each jumper, clean each connector etc... cause most 
commonly such issues can come from bad jumpers or a connector that is not 
seated properly . 





:) 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 


- Original Message -




From: "Andreas Wiatowski" < andr...@silowireless.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:53:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB 






Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power level 
that a CCR will report on an SFP. I currently have an SFP+ module that is 
reporting a -18. This is a 40KM module…I originally put in a 20KM module and it 
was reporting a -40. I was getting only a one way link. The path I estimate is 
about 20KM that I am linking…and I’m unsure of the quality of splicing…it is 
dark fibre I have from a municipality…been running 1Gbps on 20KM SFP’s until 
now. 

Thanks! 

Cheers, 
__ 
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO 
Silo Wireless Inc. 
Email andr...@silowireless.com 
19 Sage Court 
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) 
Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Faisal,

Thanks for the great explanation.

And I agree, that every sfp module seems to have a different “personality” in 
terms of strength. We have seen this in a number of occasions with MM fiber.  I 
have been buying my SFP modules from a company in California called ROBOFIBER… 
the quality is good, and pricing is not bad.  I do use some Maxxwave, Mikrotik 
and Finisar as well.  In fact, I can’t believe how much we have started moving 
to fiber over the past year…..times have certainly changed!

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 1:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Let me see if I can try to clear up some confusion and help in sorting this out.

The optics, have TX and RX lasers... The TX will Transmit the Laser, and RX 
will Receive the Signal.
You have the look at the MFG Specs to see what is the TX power and what is the 
RX sensitivity.
Typically you need to have 5-7db of signal margin to have a link.

Now, each fiber connector has a 'Loss', each fiber cable has a signal loss 
rating this is a figure you can ask the Dark fiber supplier to provide to 
you...
Irrespective of whose fiber it is, when it was installed, or when a contractor 
worked on splicing it, they would have produced a 'loss' report.. e.g.  20 mile 
link is expected to have X db of Loss.

So, on paper, one would do the calculations as follows =  TX signal - Loss of 
all connectors and cable = RX Signal expected.
This RX Signal needs to be 5-7db higher than the RX Sensitivity figure of that 
Optic module for a good solid link.

Now, no two modules put out the same power, or have the same rx-sensitivity... 
there is always a certain amount of variation
Now, no two modules rated for the same distance from two different mfg.  have 
the same set of TX & RX Specs.

So it is ideal to have a light meter (you can get one for as low as $50 from 
Ebay, Fiberstore etc, don't worry about having a cheap meter, having one is 
better than having none).
This way one can measure the light coming out of the Optics and what is being 
received from the far side.

One can use a relative test to measure loss across a cable (same optics, via a 
device that read RX & TX signals, such as the CCR) to determine that is the 
Loss on the cable end to end, based on this one can determine if there is a 
possible problem on a particular set of fiber cables and yes this can 
happen, for multitude of reasons, but before you jump on the issue being on the 
actual fiber cable, do test each jumper, clean each connector etc... cause most 
commonly such issues can come from bad jumpers or a connector that is not 
seated properly .


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:53:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB
Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power level 
that a CCR will report on an SFP.  I currently have an SFP+ module that is 
reporting a -18. This is a 40KM module…I originally put in a 20KM module and it 
was reporting a -40.  I was getting only a one way link.  The path I estimate 
is about 20KM that I am linking…and I’m unsure of the quality of splicing…it is 
dark fibre I have from a municipality…been running 1Gbps on 20KM SFP’s until 
now.

Thanks!

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[John Woodfield]

We started using Zotac Zbox i3/i5/i7 - whatever was cheap on eBay for desktops. 
They scream with a SSD. I'm using one now that is an i5 with triple screens. 
Doesn't miss a beat.
 
I started buying refurb Thinkpad T410's on eBay for $200 and I've been really 
happy with those. Again, with a SSD they do great.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations



I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger 
Direct. You can get very decent machines there for $300.

On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our 
broken. Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken 
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support 
> personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Adam Moffett]

I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger 
Direct.  You can get very decent machines there for $300.


On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our 
broken.  Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken 
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."



On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support 
personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

[Paul Stewart]

Yup … was just going to say that .. 

 

Anyone who is doing voice services at scale (have no idea how big these guys 
are) should have mitigation options … assuming that their network wasn’t simply 
overloaded by DDOS in the first place.. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

 

Sounds like they need some better anti-DDOS services.

It'll be nice when people start taking security seriously on the Internet.

BCP38, Flowspec, etc., etc.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Nate Burke"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

If I'm reading into their tickets correctly, they were fighting a DDOS against 
their gateway IP's.  I'm guessing that could happen to anyone except maybe 
Google.

On 3/1/2016 7:55 PM, Keefe John wrote:

Go with bandwidth.com  . we've never had an outage with 
them. We have outages with vitelity all the time. 

On March 1, 2016 7:17:22 PM CST, Lewis Bergman  
  wrote: 

Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from Level3 
for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  > wrote:

There isn't that I'm aware of.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions  
   
  
  
 
Midwest Internet Exchange  
   
  
 
The Brothers WISP  
   
 





  _  


From: "Na te Burke"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's



Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours 
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about 
redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you 
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?




-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[D. Ryan Spott]

Radar-Alaska

Story fun.

The Cobra Dane.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Dane

My older brother is an FAA engineer. He was installing a radar system on 
Shemya and had to have some parts flown in. Through an odd turn of 
events my sister rode out on the jet delivering the parts.


My sister worked for the local coffee roaster Kaladi Brothers. They used 
to have a contest for the most extreme place to have a cup of their 
coffee.  So while she was on the runway she snapped a picture holding 
her her cup of coffee. She had no idea what the big boxy thing in the 
background was.


A few weeks later my brother looked up while standing in line to see my 
sister's winning entry in a frame above the counter. He asked her to 
take it down as the array was still classified at that time.


Whoops!

My older brother also told me of warming his lunch on the klystron tube.

ryan


On 3/1/16 3:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:


North Warning System and DEW line as well, though some of those came 
later.


On Mar 1, 2016 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:


White Alice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System

There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two
ago :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke
 wrote:
> With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys
would go out and
> stand in front of the dish to get warm
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth
or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp. 
If you feel

>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type
of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to
biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was
told many years
>> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible
organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of
radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> From: Christopher Gray
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone
equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9
sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling
the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times
associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[D. Ryan Spott]

Safety is safety. (period)

I just call the number for the NOC on the fence. I ask that they turn 
the power down for that site.


I usually have to escalate the issue (safety, safety, *if you don't turn 
it down I am cutting the power at the breaker and you'll have to send 
someone out! safety, safety!)


Eventually they get the local regional manager to call me via his cell.

I tell the local regional manager guy that if it was his guys on the 
site I would turn the power down on my gear too. I tell him how long 
I'll be on the tower and that I'll call him with lots of lead time the 
next time I have to do something so he knows what is going on.


So far there has only been one regional manager that I have had to deal 
with. I have his email address. I saw him behind me in Starbucks once. I 
bought his coffee for him.


The tower owner does not care about squabbles between the tenants as 
long as they keep paying. They keep paying because they have a lease 
just like you. You do have a written lease... right?


YMMV. This worked for me.

ryan

On 3/1/16 4:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost 
definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to 
the landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I 
assume we are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next 
time we go up. Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont 
have to


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before
you enter area by law.

On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray"
>
wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone
equipment. I understand there are currently 6 sectors, and
will soon be 9 sectors for mobile phone service located behind
the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling
the mobile system (if any), and if there are specific exposure
times associated with such work locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Jaime Solorza]

I bought an Asus notebook at pawn shop in an emergency when customer
knocked my dell off table and it has been reliable.   Zero issuesI use
it as my on site computer...
On Mar 2, 2016 4:44 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Oh, and did I mention they support dual monitors too?
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:44 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> garlandcomputers.com 
>> I think they are mostly dell but I have had some good luck with them.
>> Pretty cheap for one or two year old computers. On a side note, I had good
>> luck in our support department with an ASUS Vivo Mini
>> .
>> They are small, quiet, and can be mounted to the back of a desktop monitor
>> to save space. If you have a lot of people in one room it is amazing how
>> much quieter the room is with a bunch of these instead of a desktops with
>> big fans.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
>>> personnel PCs
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

[Mike Hammett]

Sounds like they need some better anti-DDOS services. 

It'll be nice when people start taking security seriously on the Internet. 

BCP38 , Flowspec , etc., etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:12:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's 

If I'm reading into their tickets correctly, they were fighting a DDOS against 
their gateway IP's. I'm guessing that could happen to anyone except maybe 
Google. 


On 3/1/2016 7:55 PM, Keefe John wrote: 


Go with bandwidth.com . we've never had an outage with them. We have outages 
with vitelity all the time. 


On March 1, 2016 7:17:22 PM CST, Lewis Bergman  wrote: 


Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from Level3 
for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP. 


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




There isn't that I'm aware of. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Na te Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's 




Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours 
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about 
redundancy tomorrow. There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you 
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there? 







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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Lewis Bergman]

garlandcomputers.com 
I think they are mostly dell but I have had some good luck with them.
Pretty cheap for one or two year old computers. On a side note, I had good
luck in our support department with an ASUS Vivo Mini
.
They are small, quiet, and can be mounted to the back of a desktop monitor
to save space. If you have a lot of people in one room it is amazing how
much quieter the room is with a bunch of these instead of a desktops with
big fans.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM Gino Villarini  wrote:

> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
> personnel PCs
>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Lewis Bergman]

Oh, and did I mention they support dual monitors too?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:44 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> garlandcomputers.com 
> I think they are mostly dell but I have had some good luck with them.
> Pretty cheap for one or two year old computers. On a side note, I had good
> luck in our support department with an ASUS Vivo Mini
> .
> They are small, quiet, and can be mounted to the back of a desktop monitor
> to save space. If you have a lot of people in one room it is amazing how
> much quieter the room is with a bunch of these instead of a desktops with
> big fans.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:00 AM Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support
>> personnel PCs
>>
>

[AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[Gino Villarini]

good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support personnel
PCs