Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Josh Reynolds]

I've been on a binge watching old boxing matches for some reason. Lot
of Liston, Tyson, Roy Jr, etc.

Early in his career, Tyson was just such an absolute animal, and a
freak of nature. Lots of bad things happened to his career. Cus was
great for him, but King just broke him.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYZzMPsm6c4

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Just saw Golovkin fight...didn't get UFC
>
> On Apr 23, 2016 10:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Barboza vs Pettis wasn't what I thought it would be. Both amazing
>> strikers though.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> > Oh wow Jones?  Hum...let me see if I can  still get it.  Thanks
>> >
>> > On Apr 23, 2016 9:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Its 78 degree with  like one cloud..
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 23, 2016 9:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a
>> >>> Tecate 
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> 
>>  You watching the fights tonight?

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Jaime Solorza]

Just saw Golovkin fight...didn't get UFC
On Apr 23, 2016 10:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> :)
>
> Barboza vs Pettis wasn't what I thought it would be. Both amazing
> strikers though.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Oh wow Jones?  Hum...let me see if I can  still get it.  Thanks
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2016 9:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Its 78 degree with  like one cloud..
> >>
> >> On Apr 23, 2016 9:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a
> >>> Tecate 
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> 
>  You watching the fights tonight?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Josh Reynolds]

:)

Barboza vs Pettis wasn't what I thought it would be. Both amazing
strikers though.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Oh wow Jones?  Hum...let me see if I can  still get it.  Thanks
>
> On Apr 23, 2016 9:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> Its 78 degree with  like one cloud..
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2016 9:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a
>>> Tecate 
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

 You watching the fights tonight?

Re: [AFMUG] Cal Amp LNA 30872

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes I considered thatlet's see what I find out..  cell tower is two
blocks away.. easy  enough to test to see if it improves DL signal.
After church project
On Apr 23, 2016 10:00 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

The problem is the time division duplex nature of the signal.  They are
also separated by frequency for up and down. The phones are TDD as well as
FDD.  You would have to have something to sync the amp and switch its
direction in sync with the cell tower.

*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:47 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cal Amp LNA 30872


Found my old trusty receive amp I used to increase receive signals coming
into old Avcom SA...it gave 25dB more gain and used it find weak signals
and align antennas when we had long heliax runs into Wmux or Aironet radios
in 2.4I think this unit is wideband but don't remember if 1500 to 2700
or 2100 to 2700MHz...gonna look it up.  Anyways I am thinking of testing it
my LTE 2.1/1.7 Ghz phone and see if works as off air repeater...what are
your thoughts Hobson?

Re: [AFMUG] Cal Amp LNA 30872

[Chuck McCown]

The problem is the time division duplex nature of the signal.  They are also 
separated by frequency for up and down. The phones are TDD as well as FDD.  You 
would have to have something to sync the amp and switch its direction in sync 
with the cell tower. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:47 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cal Amp LNA 30872

Found my old trusty receive amp I used to increase receive signals coming into 
old Avcom SA...it gave 25dB more gain and used it find weak signals and align 
antennas when we had long heliax runs into Wmux or Aironet radios in 2.4I 
think this unit is wideband but don't remember if 1500 to 2700 or 2100 to 
2700MHz...gonna look it up.  Anyways I am thinking of testing it my LTE 2.1/1.7 
Ghz phone and see if works as off air repeater...what are your thoughts Hobson? 

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Chuck McCown]

Scott went somewhere else about 6 months or a year ago.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

No, it was Scott.  Sounds like we dodged a bullet anyway.  I feel better about 
the rejection after hearing that story Travis!  

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

  Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
  I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their owners.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

  They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to resell 
on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at the same 
price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found out that we 
were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at a lower rate 
than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that the risk was too 
high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take less money from 
someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way, a default on the 
agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their business.  The entire 
experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel that they acted extremely 
unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again when they change their 
company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue buying bandwidth from their 
competitors.

  On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Maybe get it through Indatel instead?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 



I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They 
said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top looking 
for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned 
by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with 
WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off completely.  I offered 
to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840.  They still 
wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to 
come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the 
hand hole in front of my building where their fiber is.  Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish they 
would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open 
up my books to them and show them how wildly successful we are.  They have 
three redundant paths out of my valley and would be a great addition to our 
network.  They also have fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  
Too bad

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is 
a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs 
(non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has 
a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a 
few thousand houses. 

  Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run 
dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

  http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

  http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/


  On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

Hi,

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the 
speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this 
is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Jaime Solorza]

Oh wow Jones?  Hum...let me see if I can  still get it.  Thanks
On Apr 23, 2016 9:26 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Its 78 degree with  like one cloud..
> On Apr 23, 2016 9:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a
>> Tecate 
>> On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> You watching the fights tonight?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Jaime Solorza]

Its 78 degree with  like one cloud..
On Apr 23, 2016 9:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a
> Tecate 
> On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> You watching the fights tonight?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Jaime Solorza]

which one? Son is watching  the boxing...I am In backyard enjoying a Tecate

On Apr 23, 2016 9:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> You watching the fights tonight?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Jeremy]

No, it was Scott.  Sounds like we dodged a bullet anyway.  I feel better
about the rejection after hearing that story Travis!

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

> Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
> I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their
> owners.
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>
> They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
> resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
> the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
> out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
> a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
> the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
> less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
> a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
> business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
> that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
> when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
> buying bandwidth from their competitors.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>>
>>
>> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
>> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
>> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
>> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
>> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
>> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
>> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
>> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
>> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
>> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
>> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
>> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
>> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
>> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
>> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
>> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa
>>> is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone
>>> LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market.
>>> Idaho has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller
>>> that serve a few thousand houses.
>>>
>>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to
>>> run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
 speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
 this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi 
 chipset.

 Travis


>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Jaime, watching fights?

[Josh Reynolds]

You watching the fights tonight?

[AFMUG] Cal Amp LNA 30872

[Jaime Solorza]

Found my old trusty receive amp I used to increase receive signals coming
into old Avcom SA...it gave 25dB more gain and used it find weak signals
and align antennas when we had long heliax runs into Wmux or Aironet radios
in 2.4I think this unit is wideband but don't remember if 1500 to 2700
or 2100 to 2700MHz...gonna look it up.  Anyways I am thinking of testing it
my LTE 2.1/1.7 Ghz phone and see if works as off air repeater...what are
your thoughts Hobson?

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

This doesn't really surprise me. I had gotten quotes from them for 
transport years ago, and they were always 25% higher than Centurylink 
for the exact same service.


At one point, we even purchased bandwidth from them, and it was a 
disaster. They were one of four providers we had at the time, and the 
problem was they would make BGP changes on their network on almost a 
daily basis, which would cause us issues with our other providers. We 
only kept their service for a year.


Travis


On 4/23/2016 11:11 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  
They said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the 
top looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely 
they "have been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the 
failure rate was a bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so 
they swore them off completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor 
and my credit score is around 840.  They still wouldn't do business 
with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to come to an 
agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the hand 
hole in front of my building where their fiber is. Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish 
they would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be 
happy to open up my books to them and show them how wildly successful 
we are.  They have three redundant paths out of my valley and would be 
a great addition to our network.  They also have fiber sitting ten 
feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs)
Syringa is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small
copper dialtone LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny
portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot of small telephone
companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few thousand
houses.

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money
to run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson > wrote:

Hi,

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This
is the speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn
impressive considering this is running the test on a six year
old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[chuck]

Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their owners.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to resell 
on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at the same 
price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found out that we 
were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at a lower rate 
than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that the risk was too 
high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take less money from 
someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way, a default on the 
agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their business.  The entire 
experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel that they acted extremely 
unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again when they change their 
company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue buying bandwidth from their 
competitors.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Maybe get it through Indatel instead?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jeremy" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 



  I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They said 
that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top looking for 
answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned by a 
few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with 
WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off completely.  I offered 
to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840.  They still 
wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to 
come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the 
hand hole in front of my building where their fiber is.  Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish they 
would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open 
up my books to them and show them how wildly successful we are.  They have 
three redundant paths out of my valley and would be a great addition to our 
network.  They also have fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  
Too bad

  On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is a 
pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs (non 
Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot 
of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few 
thousand houses. 

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run 
dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  Hi,

  I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the 
speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this 
is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Josh Luthman]

Maybe because you're a competing ISP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2016 1:21 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
> resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
> the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
> out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
> a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
> the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
> less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
> a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
> business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
> that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
> when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
> buying bandwidth from their competitors.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>>
>>
>> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
>> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
>> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
>> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
>> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
>> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
>> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
>> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
>> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
>> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
>> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
>> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
>> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
>> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
>> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
>> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa
>>> is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone
>>> LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market.
>>> Idaho has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller
>>> that serve a few thousand houses.
>>>
>>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to
>>> run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
 speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
 this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi 
 chipset.

 Travis


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] And this is why i dont trust T-Tommy Wheeler

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha
Dramatic emphasis on how much google owns this administration.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


 Original message 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Date: 4/23/16 8:31 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And this is why i dont trust T-Tommy Wheeler

Overlords?  Kind of Dr. Who-ish
On Apr 22, 2016 10:25 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationship-with-the-obama-white-house-in-two-charts/

Note the 250 Google and government employees that shuttled between the
government and their overlords.


Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Jeremy]

They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
buying bandwidth from their competitors.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>
>
> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is
>> a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs
>> (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho
>> has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that
>> serve a few thousand houses.
>>
>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run
>> dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>
>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>
>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Mike Hammett]

Maybe get it through Indatel instead? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 


I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs. They said 
that "they had been burned by a few of them". I went to the top looking for 
answers. They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned by a 
few of them" as well. He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with WISPs 
than businesses in general so they swore them off completely. I offered to be a 
personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840. They still wouldn't do 
business with me. After negotiating with the CEO I got them to come to an 
agreement, $30K NRC up front. There is already a conduit to the hand hole in 
front of my building where their fiber is. Needless to say, we passed on the 
offer. Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business agreements work. When 
they fail, there is recourse available. I wish they would change their policies 
and do business with WISPs. I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show 
them how wildly successful we are. They have three redundant paths out of my 
valley and would be a great addition to our network. They also have fiber 
sitting ten feet from like three of our towers. Too bad 


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is a 
pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs (non 
Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot 
of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few 
thousand houses. 

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run dark 
fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it... 

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/ 

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/ 





On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote: 


Hi, 

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the speedtest 
results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this is 
running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset. 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

[Jeremy]

I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is
> a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs
> (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho
> has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that
> serve a few thousand houses.
>
> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run
> dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>
> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>
> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[David Milholen]

I just heard a light sabor come on


On 4/22/2016 7:49 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/22/16 17:40, Rory Conaway wrote:

Just curious if brute force might work under a mile.


Sure, at some point you could put enough RF power into it to burn a 
hole through the trees.


~Seth


--

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[Rory Conaway]

David, its a deal.  I have 2 of the parabolic dishes in stock so i was going to 
test with the rockets but doing a test of both of them and a pair of mimosa b5s 
with some 3 foot dishes.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


 Original message 
From: David Kunat 
Date: 4/23/16 9:53 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

I've done nearLOS (shooting through 110 foot tall DENSE spruce trees (which 
really suck for nlos) off of the top of a 120 foot tower to a 70 foot tower and 
it was almost 5 miles. I got about 160 Mb which I though was amazing, BUT that 
was on a 40mhz channel. That was with 2 ft rocket dishes with the AF2X, I had 
it up for about 3 days during a school holiday. The 70ft tower was at a school, 
and on Tuesday when the kids came the 2.4 ghz was trashed, I got about 90Mb 
then with a 10ghz channel. The af2x has been sitting in boxes since then. I'd 
be happy to ship them to you so you can try it out, you pay shipping.

I don't think you will get your 150 or 200 Mbps, but worth a try if you can get 
some height.

David

On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn't going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration


Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput (losing 
sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at half the 
frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" 
> wrote:
What about a b5?
On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
need.  I don't have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration



200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:

Like 0?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of 
trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I wish I could play little league now.  I'd be way better than before."


--
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Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[Rory Conaway]

I wil have to check.  Thanks.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


 Original message 
From: Chuck McCown 
Date: 4/23/16 8:32 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

Cut some trees.  I have done the more than once.  I was surprised at one site 
where the USFS was totally OK with me cutting whatever trees I wanted to cut.  
I thought they would be  the opposite.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn't going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration


Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput (losing 
sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at half the 
frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" 
> wrote:
What about a b5?
On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
need.  I don't have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration



200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:

Like 0?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of 
trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I wish I could play little league now.  I'd be way better than before."


--
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Re: [AFMUG] And this is why i dont trust T-Tommy Wheeler

[Rory Conaway]

Dramatic emphasis on how much google owns this administration.



Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.


 Original message 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Date: 4/23/16 8:31 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And this is why i dont trust T-Tommy Wheeler


Overlords?  Kind of Dr. Who-ish

On Apr 22, 2016 10:25 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationship-with-the-obama-white-house-in-two-charts/

Note the 250 Google and government employees that shuttled between the 
government and their overlords.


Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[David Kunat]

I've done nearLOS (shooting through 110 foot tall DENSE spruce trees (which 
really suck for nlos) off of the top of a 120 foot tower to a 70 foot tower and 
it was almost 5 miles. I got about 160 Mb which I though was amazing, BUT that 
was on a 40mhz channel. That was with 2 ft rocket dishes with the AF2X, I had 
it up for about 3 days during a school holiday. The 70ft tower was at a school, 
and on Tuesday when the kids came the 2.4 ghz was trashed, I got about 90Mb 
then with a 10ghz channel. The af2x has been sitting in boxes since then. I'd 
be happy to ship them to you so you can try it out, you pay shipping.

I don't think you will get your 150 or 200 Mbps, but worth a try if you can get 
some height.

David

> On Apr 23, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although it 
> may be my only option to start.  Field test time.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>  
> That would be much more solid in the tree situation. 
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>  
> It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
> something like that.
>  
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>  
> Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P
> 
> I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
> pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
> to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do. 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput 
> (losing sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at 
> half the frequency through trees? :P
> 
> Just seems like an odd tip.
> 
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
> What about a b5?
> 
> On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
> need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
> get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.
>  
> 
> Rory
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>  
> 
> 200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 
> 
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
> Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
> penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a 
> rig for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
> higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal 
> property So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
> 
> On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
> Like 0? 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
> What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles 
> of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”
>  
>  
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

only you can prevent a forrest fire or maybe you just choose not to
prevent a forrest fire, the operative word is can, nobody says you have to
prevent it. things like that happen all the time.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Cut some trees.  I have done the more than once.  I was surprised at one
> site where the USFS was totally OK with me cutting whatever trees I wanted
> to cut.  I thought they would be  the opposite.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>
>
> Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although
> it may be my only option to start.  Field test time.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>
>
>
> That would be much more solid in the tree situation.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>
>
>
> It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or
> something like that.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>
>
>
> Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos
> :P
>
> I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with
> a pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be
> able to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
>
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput
> (losing sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio
> at half the frequency through trees? :P
>
> Just seems like an odd tip.
>
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:
>
> What about a b5?
>
> On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what
> I need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up
> there to get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration
>
>
>
> 200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?
>
> Josh Luthman
>
>
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can
> penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a
> rig for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft
> higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal
> property So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
>
> On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Like 0?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9
> miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[Chuck McCown]

Cut some trees.  I have done the more than once.  I was surprised at one site 
where the USFS was totally OK with me cutting whatever trees I wanted to cut.  
I thought they would be  the opposite.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

 

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.  

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

 

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

 

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

 

Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do. 

On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput 
(losing sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at 
half the frequency through trees? :P

  Just seems like an odd tip.

  On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

What about a b5?

On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway  
wrote:

  We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is 
what I need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up 
there to get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz. 

   

  Rory 

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration 

   

  200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?

  Josh Luthman 


  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

  Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...

  On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

  Like 0?  

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 
miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

   

  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

   

  “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.” 

   

 

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes. Thanks
On Apr 23, 2016 9:30 AM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:

> Great job I'm sure it feels good.
>
> -Ty
> On Apr 23, 2016 9:57 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.  I did 95 % of this one.  Alex our panel guy had two tests at
>> UTEP he needed to study for so I stepped up.  I am happy it tested
>> 100%yay me.
>> On Apr 22, 2016 10:18 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> AWESOME WORK!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Everything thing checked outwe will deliver on Monday Few days
 for electricians to connect enclosure to power, grounding and bolting
 down...the AC didn't get here on time so installation will be next...the
 strobe and Horn work.
 Damn loud ...
 On Apr 22, 2016 3:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

 Testing...
 On Apr 21, 2016 4:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Stainless steel enclosure is almost ready.. We cut section at bottom
> for conduit, two 1/2 inch holes on side for Horn and flashing stroke, two
> knock outs for push switches.  Tomorrow we start on ventilation...
> On Apr 21, 2016 3:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> OK, now that we have fixed the focus issue, we need more pixels
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:30 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2016 12:54 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for contacting technical support today. We're happy that
>>> we were able to resolve your issue.
>>>
>>> On 4/21/2016 1:47 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2016 12:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No...let me try
 ..
 On Apr 21, 2016 12:16 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> You know about tapping on the image to focus it, right?  :-)
>
>
>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] And this is why i dont trust T-Tommy Wheeler

[Jaime Solorza]

Overlords?  Kind of Dr. Who-ish
On Apr 22, 2016 10:25 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationship-with-the-obama-white-house-in-two-charts/

Note the 250 Google and government employees that shuttled between the
government and their overlords.


Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

Typed on my phone with one finger so please excuse typos and abbreviations.

Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel

[Ty Featherling]

Great job I'm sure it feels good.

-Ty
On Apr 23, 2016 9:57 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Thank you.  I did 95 % of this one.  Alex our panel guy had two tests at
> UTEP he needed to study for so I stepped up.  I am happy it tested
> 100%yay me.
> On Apr 22, 2016 10:18 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> AWESOME WORK!
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Everything thing checked outwe will deliver on Monday Few days
>>> for electricians to connect enclosure to power, grounding and bolting
>>> down...the AC didn't get here on time so installation will be next...the
>>> strobe and Horn work.
>>> Damn loud ...
>>> On Apr 22, 2016 3:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Testing...
>>> On Apr 21, 2016 4:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Stainless steel enclosure is almost ready.. We cut section at bottom
 for conduit, two 1/2 inch holes on side for Horn and flashing stroke, two
 knock outs for push switches.  Tomorrow we start on ventilation...
 On Apr 21, 2016 3:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> OK, now that we have fixed the focus issue, we need more pixels
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:30 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel
>
> On Apr 21, 2016 12:54 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for contacting technical support today. We're happy that we
>> were able to resolve your issue.
>>
>> On 4/21/2016 1:47 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2016 12:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No...let me try
>>> ..
>>> On Apr 21, 2016 12:16 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>>
 You know about tapping on the image to focus it, right?  :-)



>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[Rory Conaway]

Yea, I need the capacity though.  100Mbps isn’t going to cut it although it may 
be my only option to start.  Field test time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:02 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration


Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput (losing 
sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at half the 
frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.
On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John" 
> wrote:
What about a b5?
On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is what I 
need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up there to 
get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration



200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...
On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:

Like 0?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 miles of 
trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”


--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

[Chuck McCown]

That would be much more solid in the tree situation.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

It's limited to a 20mhz channel, so I think like 120Mbps aggregate... or 
something like that.


On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What is the new 900 MHz Cambium supposed to do flat out?

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:29 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration

  Indeed, a bit odd... I've never known 5ghz to work better than 2.4ghz nlos :P

  I would just try it and see what it does... even if you just test it with a 
pair of PowerBeams (or better yet, Rockets with 2`dishes), you should be able 
to get a pretty good idea what the airfibers are going to do. 

  On Apr 22, 2016 8:41 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Something that takes a larger channel width to make the same throughput 
(losing sensitivity due to thermal noise in the process) vs an FPGA radio at 
half the frequency through trees? :P

Just seems like an odd tip.

On Apr 22, 2016 8:35 PM, "Keefe John"  wrote:

  What about a b5?


  On April 22, 2016 8:32:36 PM CDT, Rory Conaway  
wrote:
We would need at least 150Mbps to start but as much as I could get is 
what I need.  I don’t have a bucket truck but I can do a reasonable test up 
there to get an idea with both 2.4 and 5GHz. 




Rory 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Theoretical Question on Pine Tree Penetration 




200 megs in 10 MHz?  AF2x?

Josh Luthman 


Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 22, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

Hold on..you'd be surprised what 5 and ,,,10mhz channels at 2.4 can 
penetrate...can you test Rory with some masts or bucket truck?  I am make a rig 
for my truck to mount a 30 ft tower and have a mast to go maybe  15 ft 
higher... Some projects are requiring path validations on federal property 
So bucket truck at one end and my rig at other...

On Apr 22, 2016 6:39 PM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

Like 0?  

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 22, 2016 8:33 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

What are the chances of an AF2 with parabolic dishes going through .9 
miles of trees with at least 200Mbs assuming no interference?



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than 
before.” 




  -- 
  Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel

[Jaime Solorza]

Thank you.  I did 95 % of this one.  Alex our panel guy had two tests at
UTEP he needed to study for so I stepped up.  I am happy it tested
100%yay me.
On Apr 22, 2016 10:18 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> AWESOME WORK!
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Everything thing checked outwe will deliver on Monday Few days
>> for electricians to connect enclosure to power, grounding and bolting
>> down...the AC didn't get here on time so installation will be next...the
>> strobe and Horn work.
>> Damn loud ...
>> On Apr 22, 2016 3:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Testing...
>> On Apr 21, 2016 4:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stainless steel enclosure is almost ready.. We cut section at bottom for
>>> conduit, two 1/2 inch holes on side for Horn and flashing stroke, two knock
>>> outs for push switches.  Tomorrow we start on ventilation...
>>> On Apr 21, 2016 3:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 OK, now that we have fixed the focus issue, we need more pixels

 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:30 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Make a panel

 On Apr 21, 2016 12:54 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Thank you for contacting technical support today. We're happy that we
> were able to resolve your issue.
>
> On 4/21/2016 1:47 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> On Apr 21, 2016 12:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> No...let me try
>> ..
>> On Apr 21, 2016 12:16 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>
>>> You know about tapping on the image to focus it, right?  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Aaron Schneider]

There is a significant improvement in the application of MIR and burst coming 
in 14.2 for 450i.  Historically we consumed data at the achievable rate and 
refilled at a fixed rate (once per second).  So this lead to very bursty 
consumption of burst bucket and MIR and quiet link for remainder of the refill 
duration.  We have greatly increased the granularity of the refill on 450i as 
the HW is considerably more capable and able to handle it.  This leads to much 
more rapid refill events which smooths out the consumption.



For an example, here are two speedtest graphs showing a similar outcome of a 
~20M MIR, but you can clearly see how the old method was bursty consumption and 
the new method is smooth.  I think that could definitely cause impact on 
something like voip.



[cid:image002.jpg@01D19D04.B6C419B0][cid:image004.jpg@01D19D04.B6C419B0]



We will look at doing this on the 450, but it would affect PPS so we need to 
analyze the impact, but it definitely will be there for 450i in 14.2 release.



Regards,

-Aaron



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Alexander
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink



We use 100 kbits per call session of G711U. We took a while to get a good 
working config on junos to make sure only voip traffic comes in to the SM 
tagged for high priority. The SM only goes by the Priority Precedence selection 
to check either 802.1p or DSCP to determine transmit channel and you need to 
make sure inbound ethernet traffic to the SM is tagged correctly so that voip, 
and only voip, ends up in the high priority channel.



We also ran into issues with burst allocation and burst rates. In order for the 
high priority channel to work correctly on 450 platform we found you must set 
the Sustained Uplink/Downlink Data Rate and the Uplink/Downlink Burst 
Allocation to be the same (customer regular bandwidth + high priority 
bandwidth) and the Max Burst Uplink/Downlink Rates to double the Total 
Sustained Uplink/Downlink. We confirmed in extensive testing that if we simply 
enable a high priority channel on a normal customer, when the user maxes his 
upload or download we see packet loss on the high priority channel even when 
the upload/download is all low priority traffic and the high priority channel 
is not being 100% used.



Why is this? We're not sure but our network engineers did pretty extensive 
testing and we consistently saw packet loss when configured with a high 
priority channel and a "normal" customer deployment of Sustained Down 4 Mbit / 
Sustained Up 1 Mbit, Downlink Burst Allocation 12 and max burst downlink of 
1.



Timothy Alexander

Amplex Internet

www.amplex.net

t...@amplex.net





>>From: Brian 
>>Sullivan>

>>To:"af@afmug.com"  >

>>Subject: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink What do other

>>operators set for the High Priority Uplink / Downlink CIR

that works best for VOIP?

Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

[Aaron Schneider]

That isn't quite true about all Hi Priority traffic going before Low Priority 
CIR...  Leaving Hi Priority MIR at 0/0 is useful if you set a Low Priority CIR, 
in that case the LP CIR will be honored, then it will move to High Priority 
traffic.

Recall that the priority order proceeds as follow:

HiPri CIR
LoPri CIR
Bcast CIR (in downlink)
HiPri Remainder (beyond HP CIR, up to HP MIR/Burst)
LoPri Remainder (beyond LP CIR, up to HP MIR/Burst)
Bcast Remainder (beyond Bcast CIR, in downlink)

CIR is done in hardware, MIR is done in software, so CIR does count against MIR.

The broadcast channel is shared in downlink, so that is why there is a CIR for 
that data but only in downlink.  In uplink, broadcast data is user data so it 
will follow whatever priority is determined from the packet.

Regards,
-Aaron

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] High Priority Uplink / Downlink

Timothy, The Sustained rate is is in kbps and the allocation is in kbits.  
Could you give me an example or screenshot of your QOS (Session Status > 
Configuration) settings so I can better understand?

Also on George's response, "The scheduler will still prioritize HP traffic if 
you leave it at 0/0. The same applies if you're putting more traffic into it 
than you have configured.  All HP traffic goes before LP CIR and MIR anyway. I 
think Matt or Aaron explained it roughly this way before. "

That sounds like a bug in the QOS scheme, do you know where it was explained 
like this?
Or could Matt or Aaron @ Cambium please elaborate?

On 4/19/2016 2:44 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:
> must set the Sustained Uplink/Downlink Data Rate and the 
> Uplink/Downlink Burst Allocation to be the same