Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Ken Hohhof]

There is a membrane between the shell and the white of the egg, the key seems 
to be whether that membrane is wet or dry.  So whatever technique puts some 
moisture at that interface seems to make the eggs peel easily.

 

I’m not sure why fresh eggs are reportedly harder to peel, if anything you’d 
think eggs would dry out as they age.  I seem to remember reading that 
commercial eggs have a sealant applied to the shell to seal the pores, that 
might make a difference if you are getting eggs from the farm or you have your 
own chickens.  Not sure what Chuck’s salt and vinegar do to the sealant, 
probably the boiling water strips that anyway.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 12:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

That part of the process was not my problem.  My problem was shells sticking to 
the egg like they were glued on.  I could crack them up in a glass or roll them 
or do anything but if the egg adhered to the shell, I was picking off little 
shards of shell and frequently ruining the egg in the process.  

 

From: Chuck Hogg 

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 8:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

 

I do this trick, it works perfectly...you can even do about a dozen eggs in 
tupperware with the same methodology in less than 30 seconds.

 

Regards,
Chuck

 

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

I guess you have not seen this technique ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:54:16 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar in 
the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick today seems 
like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a good method?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Lewis Bergman]

I remembered my grandmother dating the egg had some natural coating.  I
found this:
"Eggs are laid with what is called a "bloom" which naturally protects it.
This is the coating on the egg shell that seals its pores. Also known as
the cuticle, it helps to prevent bacteria from getting inside the shell and
reduces moisture loss from the egg keeping it fresher longer."

I have used one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Huitao-Eggstractor-Removes-Cooking-Kitchen/dp/B01LPGT2GK
I found it to work about 80% of the time once I figuring it out.  There are
a great number of products to solve this evidently super frustrating first
world problem.

On Nov 27, 2016 8:54 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> There is a membrane between the shell and the white of the egg, the key
> seems to be whether that membrane is wet or dry.  So whatever technique
> puts some moisture at that interface seems to make the eggs peel easily.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure why fresh eggs are reportedly harder to peel, if anything
> you’d think eggs would dry out as they age.  I seem to remember reading
> that commercial eggs have a sealant applied to the shell to seal the pores,
> that might make a difference if you are getting eggs from the farm or you
> have your own chickens.  Not sure what Chuck’s salt and vinegar do to the
> sealant, probably the boiling water strips that anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 12:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
>
>
> That part of the process was not my problem.  My problem was shells
> sticking to the egg like they were glued on.  I could crack them up in a
> glass or roll them or do anything but if the egg adhered to the shell, I
> was picking off little shards of shell and frequently ruining the egg in
> the process.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 26, 2016 8:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
>
>
> I do this trick, it works perfectly...you can even do about a dozen eggs
> in tupperware with the same methodology in less than 30 seconds.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> I guess you have not seen this technique ?
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:54:16 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar
> in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick
> today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a
> good method?
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of 
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be 
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been 
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors 
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find 
this?



--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT 3 phase transformers

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/26/16 5:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenze-EVF8215-E-3PH-400V-4KW-13-2-18-8-AMP-INVERTER-AC-SERVO-DRIVE-/252459260637?hash=item3ac7be9add:g:8vUAAOSw2zlXhYAL&autorefresh=true


This is the unit.  I made an offer on this as a replacement.
Does this have the parameter chip thingy?



Hmm that's a different series so I dunno about that one.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Mark Radabaugh]

No idea exactly how to do this but you might want to try 
http://www.qgis.org/en/site/ 

Very cool and can probably do what you want.

Mark 

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of vectors 
> (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be imported into 
> Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been looking for, but 
> not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors in text, and spit out 
> the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find this?
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> bp
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Chuck McCown]

Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways to 
just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the end, 
it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse engineered the 
KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84 
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I 
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small 
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.


Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27' 
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.



bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are 
ways to just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the 
end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Rob Genovesi]

If the data set is small you can find the other GPS coordinates using
something like this:  http://www.geomidpoint.com/destination/

Once you have all the GPS points it's easy to create a KMZ file with the shape.

-Rob



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84 coordinate.
> Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I tried drawing
> them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small errors. There are about
> 10 vectors total.
>
> Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27' 42",
> then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways to
>> just import them as a text file.
>> I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the
>> end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse engineered
>> the KMZ or KML file.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
>> To: Motorola III
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?
>>
>>
>> I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
>> vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
>> imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
>> looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
>> in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
>> this?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

That looks like the simplest way to go.  Just getting the coordinates 
for 10 points is simpler than trying to crunch them into a DXF or SHP file.


10-Q


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:52 AM, Rob Genovesi wrote:

If the data set is small you can find the other GPS coordinates using
something like this:  http://www.geomidpoint.com/destination/

Once you have all the GPS points it's easy to create a KMZ file with the shape.

-Rob



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84 coordinate.
Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I tried drawing
them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small errors. There are about
10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27' 42",
then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways to
just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the
end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse engineered
the KMZ or KML file.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Chuck McCown]

I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at least find 
the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section corner or a 
quarter corner as the point of beginning.  If a parcel  is complex, I 
actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical design program, that way 
I can just directly enter the angle directions and distances.  And the 
parcel almost always closes.  You could do that with any drafting program 
most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE.  Stretch and 
rotate to fit the visible landmarks and monuments.


There will always be an error in closing unless they wind up with a "more or 
less" to point of beginning.  That takes all the slop out.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27'
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways to 
just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the 
end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does 
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a  
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.


To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the  
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27. 
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to 
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I 
can use with GE.


I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'. 
Something stinks...



bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at least 
find the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section corner 
or a quarter corner as the point of beginning. If a parcel  is 
complex, I actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical design 
program, that way I can just directly enter the angle directions and 
distances.  And the parcel almost always closes.  You could do that 
with any drafting program most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE. Stretch 
and rotate to fit the visible landmarks and monuments.


There will always be an error in closing unless they wind up with a 
"more or less" to point of beginning.  That takes all the slop out.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27'
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are 
ways to just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in 
the end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Chuck McCown]

The easements I do are totally desk top, no survey.  But I do have the 
recorded metes and bounds of the property to go by and generally use its 
boundary.  But my point is, easements are generally a lot more loose than a 
property description used on a deed.  I am not surprised that you may find a 
significant error.  After all, the easement was just to get the landowner to 
allow something to be put there.  If it is a public utility company and it 
gets contested they will just file a quiet title action and get it corrected 
due to having the right of eminent domain.


Have you compared the metes and bounds of the easement with the parcel 
boundaries or is it just heading cross country through the middle of a 
parcel?


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.

To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27.
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I
can use with GE.

I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'.
Something stinks...


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at least find 
the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section corner or a 
quarter corner as the point of beginning. If a parcel  is complex, I 
actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical design program, that 
way I can just directly enter the angle directions and distances.  And the 
parcel almost always closes.  You could do that with any drafting program 
most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE. Stretch and 
rotate to fit the visible landmarks and monuments.


There will always be an error in closing unless they wind up with a "more 
or less" to point of beginning.  That takes all the slop out.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27'
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways 
to just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the 
end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have been
looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might find
this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

The easement starts at the eastern boundary of the quarter section 
(which is not true north south; a little over 8° east). According to the 
description it is supposed to be on that line at a certain distance from 
the corner.


When I drew it on GE, I just measured that distance on that line, and it 
actually comes out 35' north of where the road actually got laid. No big 
deal, the easement is 60' wide, so it mostly fits.


However, when I used this tool to get a lat/lon, the point is about 12' 
to the east of the point I measured. Now I know that drawing something 
like this in GE is somewhat error prone, but I did not expect it to be 
this far off.


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The easements I do are totally desk top, no survey. But I do have the 
recorded metes and bounds of the property to go by and generally use 
its boundary.  But my point is, easements are generally a lot more 
loose than a property description used on a deed.  I am not surprised 
that you may find a significant error. After all, the easement was 
just to get the landowner to allow something to be put there.  If it 
is a public utility company and it gets contested they will just file 
a quiet title action and get it corrected due to having the right of 
eminent domain.


Have you compared the metes and bounds of the easement with the parcel 
boundaries or is it just heading cross country through the middle of a 
parcel?


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.

To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27.
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I
can use with GE.

I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'.
Something stinks...


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at least 
find the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section corner 
or a quarter corner as the point of beginning. If a parcel  is 
complex, I actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical design 
program, that way I can just directly enter the angle directions and 
distances.  And the parcel almost always closes.  You could do that 
with any drafting program most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE. Stretch 
and rotate to fit the visible landmarks and monuments.


There will always be an error in closing unless they wind up with a 
"more or less" to point of beginning.  That takes all the slop out.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27'
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are 
ways to just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in 
the end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a series of
vectors (distance & bearing) from one point. Apparently this can be
imported into Google earth as a shape file (.SHP extension). I have 
been

looking for, but not finding a tool that allows me to enter the vectors
in text, and spit out the .SHP file. Does anyone know where I might 
find

this?

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, OK, yeah, totally forget geocodes when doing metes and bounds.  All  the 
datum conversions etc prove to be worthless when trying to be very precise.
And most section lines are not true NWES and most section lines are not one 
mile either.  Sometimes you luck out with an exact mile lying on one of the 
ordinate directions but that is infrequent.


You have to use physical monuments and the DMS lines of the metes and 
bounds.  Frequently they are in that old "N 12 deg 3 min 2 sec E" format.
I just  go through and convert all the angles to Cartesian angles first and 
then start laying down lines in the drafting program.  Or in google earth. 
You can describe a line/path with a bearing and distance in GE.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The easement starts at the eastern boundary of the quarter section
(which is not true north south; a little over 8° east). According to the
description it is supposed to be on that line at a certain distance from
the corner.

When I drew it on GE, I just measured that distance on that line, and it
actually comes out 35' north of where the road actually got laid. No big
deal, the easement is 60' wide, so it mostly fits.

However, when I used this tool to get a lat/lon, the point is about 12'
to the east of the point I measured. Now I know that drawing something
like this in GE is somewhat error prone, but I did not expect it to be
this far off.

bp


On 11/27/2016 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The easements I do are totally desk top, no survey. But I do have the 
recorded metes and bounds of the property to go by and generally use its 
boundary.  But my point is, easements are generally a lot more loose than 
a property description used on a deed.  I am not surprised that you may 
find a significant error. After all, the easement was just to get the 
landowner to allow something to be put there.  If it is a public utility 
company and it gets contested they will just file a quiet title action and 
get it corrected due to having the right of eminent domain.


Have you compared the metes and bounds of the easement with the parcel 
boundaries or is it just heading cross country through the middle of a 
parcel?


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.

To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27.
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I
can use with GE.

I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'.
Something stinks...


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at least 
find the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section corner or 
a quarter corner as the point of beginning. If a parcel  is complex, I 
actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical design program, that 
way I can just directly enter the angle directions and distances.  And 
the parcel almost always closes.  You could do that with any drafting 
program most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE. Stretch and 
rotate to fit the visible landmarks and monuments.


There will always be an error in closing unless they wind up with a "more 
or less" to point of beginning.  That takes all the slop out.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The vectors describe a property line, and start at a fixed WGS84
coordinate. Then it's a series of distances and azimuths from there. I
tried drawing them with GE, but there is an accumulation of small
errors. There are about 10 vectors total.

Something like starting at point lat/lon, go 700 feet azimuth 8° 27'
42", then 200 feet azimuth 27° 15' 08", and so on.


bp


On 11/27/2016 9:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is the end result displaying your vectors on GE?   If so there are ways 
to just import them as a text file.
I did it, don't recall how, perhaps I used some kind of app but in the 
end, it was easy.  I may have just drawn a line and then reverse 
engineered the KMZ or KML file.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?


I have a boundary between parcels that is described as a seri

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Bill Prince]

Yah. The old coordinate system is throwing me for a loop. The angle is 
"supposed to be" ~~ 8.3° east. However, the quarter section corners are 
well known, and the actual angle from the SE corner to the NE corner 
comes to ~~ 7.4° east. However, the easement description says 8.3° 
(along the boundary). So I just faithfully followed the angle called out 
in the easement description, and ended up 12 feet east of the actual 
boundary line. It can't be there, because that's not even on the same 
quarter section.


What do surveyors do in a case like this? All the internal angles are 
going to end up off by about 1° too (or are they?). Crazyness.


The road built on the easement has been in place for almost 50 years. A 
sane person would re-pin all the corners of the easement along the 
centerline of the road, and move on, because the description of the 
road/easement do not match. The errors I see between what's described in 
the survey documents and what is on the ground vary by between 30 and 60 
feet.


I'm sure part of it is because the terrain is extremely tough. Slopes of 
100%, and lots of trees. I have no clue how they did the original survey 
in 1970. Today, you can GPS almost any point you want/need.



bp


On 11/27/2016 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Oh, OK, yeah, totally forget geocodes when doing metes and bounds.  
All  the datum conversions etc prove to be worthless when trying to be 
very precise.
And most section lines are not true NWES and most section lines are 
not one mile either.  Sometimes you luck out with an exact mile lying 
on one of the ordinate directions but that is infrequent.


You have to use physical monuments and the DMS lines of the metes and 
bounds.  Frequently they are in that old "N 12 deg 3 min 2 sec E" format.
I just  go through and convert all the angles to Cartesian angles 
first and then start laying down lines in the drafting program. Or in 
google earth. You can describe a line/path with a bearing and distance 
in GE.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The easement starts at the eastern boundary of the quarter section
(which is not true north south; a little over 8° east). According to the
description it is supposed to be on that line at a certain distance from
the corner.

When I drew it on GE, I just measured that distance on that line, and it
actually comes out 35' north of where the road actually got laid. No big
deal, the easement is 60' wide, so it mostly fits.

However, when I used this tool to get a lat/lon, the point is about 12'
to the east of the point I measured. Now I know that drawing something
like this in GE is somewhat error prone, but I did not expect it to be
this far off.

bp


On 11/27/2016 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The easements I do are totally desk top, no survey. But I do have the 
recorded metes and bounds of the property to go by and generally use 
its boundary.  But my point is, easements are generally a lot more 
loose than a property description used on a deed.  I am not surprised 
that you may find a significant error. After all, the easement was 
just to get the landowner to allow something to be put there.  If it 
is a public utility company and it gets contested they will just file 
a quiet title action and get it corrected due to having the right of 
eminent domain.


Have you compared the metes and bounds of the easement with the 
parcel boundaries or is it just heading cross country through the 
middle of a parcel?


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.

To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27.
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I
can use with GE.

I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'.
Something stinks...


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/section overlay you can buy for GE so you can at 
least find the section corners.  Most metes and bounds use a section 
corner or a quarter corner as the point of beginning. If a parcel  
is complex, I actually lay it out in solidworks, my 3D mechanical 
design program, that way I can just directly enter the angle 
directions and distances.  And the parcel almost always closes.  You 
could do that with any drafting program most likely.


Then I export that to an image and import the image into GE. Stretch 
and ro

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Brian Webster]

There are a number of factors in play here. Being a mapping guy and having a 
brother who is a land surveyor I probably know more about this stuff that I 
should :-)

One the angles called out make sure they are referencing True North or 
Magnetic. If it is magnetic then you need to look up the date when the original 
survey was done and use the magnetic declination for that time period since it 
does fluctuate from day to day. It's not much of a change normally but when you 
are talking about survey data and you are trying to close a polygon/property 
boundary those little differences make a hug difference if you are running a 
long line. The other end can be way off. 

Converting different coordinate systems can introduce just as many errors as 
well. A few inches difference here or there can move boundaries or make a 
property description not close as a complete polygon.

Drawing on Google Earth is doing so in a weird coordinate system. Typically it 
is Mercator projection so that will cause the polygon to look different than it 
would when in a coordinate system such as state plane.

Depending on the original coordinate system used the points may be called out 
in northing and easting which is based on a grid normally stated such as the 
California state plane and whatever region.

Surveyors do not always reference surveys in any stated reference system, they 
can use their own system of grid markings and callouts. When they do this it 
will always be based on a physical land marker such as a pip or other type of 
monument. Their deed descriptions are based on that and do not necessarily tie 
in to latitude and longitude. So whoever may have given you that written 
description may have introduced additional error when they converted to lat and 
long. 

Surveyors will use a transit and rod/prism system back before the days of GPS, 
and even farther back they might even use a tape measure and compass. These 
days they can buy extremely expensive sub centimeter accuracy GPS equipment and 
tie their survey in to state plane or latitude and longitude. They also have 
ways to post process the GPS data from the field for the date and time they 
were measuring to a system of GPS correction files based on HARN GPS monitoring 
stations.

As has been suggested you might want to look at QGIS and I believe there is a 
plugin available to type in meets and bounds descriptions to create the 
polygon. That then can usually be exported to Google Earth easily.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

Yah. The old coordinate system is throwing me for a loop. The angle is 
"supposed to be" ~~ 8.3° east. However, the quarter section corners are well 
known, and the actual angle from the SE corner to the NE corner comes to ~~ 
7.4° east. However, the easement description says 8.3° (along the boundary). So 
I just faithfully followed the angle called out in the easement description, 
and ended up 12 feet east of the actual boundary line. It can't be there, 
because that's not even on the same quarter section.

What do surveyors do in a case like this? All the internal angles are going to 
end up off by about 1° too (or are they?). Crazyness.

The road built on the easement has been in place for almost 50 years. A sane 
person would re-pin all the corners of the easement along the centerline of the 
road, and move on, because the description of the road/easement do not match. 
The errors I see between what's described in the survey documents and what is 
on the ground vary by between 30 and 60 feet.

I'm sure part of it is because the terrain is extremely tough. Slopes of 100%, 
and lots of trees. I have no clue how they did the original survey in 1970. 
Today, you can GPS almost any point you want/need.


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Oh, OK, yeah, totally forget geocodes when doing metes and bounds.  
> All  the datum conversions etc prove to be worthless when trying to be 
> very precise.
> And most section lines are not true NWES and most section lines are 
> not one mile either.  Sometimes you luck out with an exact mile lying 
> on one of the ordinate directions but that is infrequent.
>
> You have to use physical monuments and the DMS lines of the metes and 
> bounds.  Frequently they are in that old "N 12 deg 3 min 2 sec E" format.
> I just  go through and convert all the angles to Cartesian angles 
> first and then start laying down lines in the drafting program. Or in 
> google earth. You can describe a line/path with a bearing and distance 
> in GE.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?
>
> The easement starts at 

Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

[Chuck McCown]

In many counties there is an elected county surveyor.  They are the arbiters 
of these kinds of issues.  They are frequently splitting the baby when 
cutting Gordian knots...


In my county, a road was so far off they simply passed an ordinance that 
said "this is where the road is".  A whole string of houses lost about 30 
feet off their North property line.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 12:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

Yah. The old coordinate system is throwing me for a loop. The angle is
"supposed to be" ~~ 8.3° east. However, the quarter section corners are
well known, and the actual angle from the SE corner to the NE corner
comes to ~~ 7.4° east. However, the easement description says 8.3°
(along the boundary). So I just faithfully followed the angle called out
in the easement description, and ended up 12 feet east of the actual
boundary line. It can't be there, because that's not even on the same
quarter section.

What do surveyors do in a case like this? All the internal angles are
going to end up off by about 1° too (or are they?). Crazyness.

The road built on the easement has been in place for almost 50 years. A
sane person would re-pin all the corners of the easement along the
centerline of the road, and move on, because the description of the
road/easement do not match. The errors I see between what's described in
the survey documents and what is on the ground vary by between 30 and 60
feet.

I'm sure part of it is because the terrain is extremely tough. Slopes of
100%, and lots of trees. I have no clue how they did the original survey
in 1970. Today, you can GPS almost any point you want/need.


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Oh, OK, yeah, totally forget geocodes when doing metes and bounds.  All 
the datum conversions etc prove to be worthless when trying to be very 
precise.
And most section lines are not true NWES and most section lines are not 
one mile either.  Sometimes you luck out with an exact mile lying on one 
of the ordinate directions but that is infrequent.


You have to use physical monuments and the DMS lines of the metes and 
bounds.  Frequently they are in that old "N 12 deg 3 min 2 sec E" format.
I just  go through and convert all the angles to Cartesian angles first 
and then start laying down lines in the drafting program. Or in google 
earth. You can describe a line/path with a bearing and distance in GE.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

The easement starts at the eastern boundary of the quarter section
(which is not true north south; a little over 8° east). According to the
description it is supposed to be on that line at a certain distance from
the corner.

When I drew it on GE, I just measured that distance on that line, and it
actually comes out 35' north of where the road actually got laid. No big
deal, the easement is 60' wide, so it mostly fits.

However, when I used this tool to get a lat/lon, the point is about 12'
to the east of the point I measured. Now I know that drawing something
like this in GE is somewhat error prone, but I did not expect it to be
this far off.

bp


On 11/27/2016 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The easements I do are totally desk top, no survey. But I do have the 
recorded metes and bounds of the property to go by and generally use its 
boundary.  But my point is, easements are generally a lot more loose than 
a property description used on a deed.  I am not surprised that you may 
find a significant error. After all, the easement was just to get the 
landowner to allow something to be put there.  If it is a public utility 
company and it gets contested they will just file a quiet title action 
and get it corrected due to having the right of eminent domain.


Have you compared the metes and bounds of the easement with the parcel 
boundaries or is it just heading cross country through the middle of a 
parcel?


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Converting vectors to a shape (.SHP) file?

This is actually for an easement, and it's open on both ends. It does
start at the corner of a quarter section, but from there it's just a
zig-zag line. Internal coordinates are unknown.

To make it more complicated, the original coordinates are based on the
"California Coordinate System, zone III", which was derived using NAD27.
So I had to convert those CCS-zone III, to NAD27 (lat/lon), then to
NAD83 (lat/lon), and then to WGS84 to get something close to something I
can use with GE.

I did convert the first vector, and it appears to be off by about 12'.
Something stinks...


bp


On 11/27/2016 10:01 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do this on a regular basis for easement work.  There is a nice 
range/township/sectio

Re: [AFMUG] CCR 1036 downgrade

[TJ Trout]

Did you ever get any resolution to this? I've having a weird problem with
traffic dropping and someone on the forum sugguested downgrading to 6.35
but my router is giving me a "minimum version 6.35.4 " error

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> *NEVER* downgrade past what the device came with.
>
> If that's not the issue...  *shrugs* I saw a few other posts in this
> thread.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"SmarterBroadband" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:22:30 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] CCR 1036 downgrade
>
> I need to downgrade the firmware on a 1036 from 6.35.4 to 6.32.4
>
>
>
> I have tried the download button and I have tried the command line system
> package downgrade
>
>
>
> Any idea how I can make this happen?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] solar winds network bandwidth analyzer pack

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Thanks for the heads up on that. The sales guy ended up being real cool, We
had three issues that became deal breakers, the fast increase in port
counts, the remote probes, and the inability to differentiate the same
netflow coming from multiple routers in the path. He agreed that we should
part ways but wanted to do a due diligence with an engineer to ensure that
the info he provided along with our experience with the demo was fully
accurate.
We got together on a teleconference, They do have an additional component
that would do the remote probing for 15k, but still not a lightweight
poller lime snmpc. We have 26 mikrotiks that would need monitored in our
critical paths, that would be 52 ports just to get the minimum monitoring
for backhaul ports, another 26-52 if we wanted metrics from the backhauls
themselves. This doesnt include our provider ports or any other items we
would want. We would have blown through the 100 port license right off the
bat to get a just enough monitoring scenario. The netflow differentiate is
a limitation of netflow, the engineer said he isnt aware of any system that
does that, but he did confess hes not familiar with alot of them. Overall
the sales experience was nice with them
The cool thing is though, the cash had been appropriated for a solution so
we started a Castlerock SNMPc trial to see about renewing our version 7
support contract to get on the newest version and its less to do that than
the original quote on solar winds for a new perpetual license. (retail on a
non renewal license MSRP at 12k, luckily we someohow got that back in the
day)
Pretty excited, I already verified a ghetto mechanism to visualize OSPF
default paths on the overview map. Granular tiered alerting, long term
monitoring, remote off network poller, trap response (we havent had a trap
reciever live for years), read/write snmp response thats automated
(WOOT!!). I just wish I was still a teenager so I could say im stoked.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Sorry to burst your hopes there…. :)  i wanted to make sure you knew that
> instead of what a sales guy might be pushing…
>
> if there’s one thing that Solarwinds is very very good at .. it’s pesky
> sales people who won’t leave you alone …
>
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you just broke my heart
>
> youre completely right, the remote agent is not a polling probe as I
> assumed, I just added one. That was the primary feature I was going to
> promote to cost justify since it had revenue potential.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m not aware of it having probe capabilities - just had that
>> conversation with them a month ago.
>>
>> Their only solution is to stand up additional servers in remote locations
>> and have them linked back to the SQL backend …. less than elegant and a
>> licensing nightmare
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:58 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> solar winds has remote probes. I havent done one yet, im waiting on the
>> sales guy to get back on the restrictions that imposes as far as selling
>> monitoring as a service to contract customers, or even other WISPs.
>>
>> Im hoping it functions in a similar fashion to the remote pollers in
>> SNMPc, just a light piece of software you drop on a machine with access to
>> a network that calls home. Unless you have a backup path for the data to
>> get to the server, real time would croak out for that network. I enjoyed it
>> because I could put a poller on my laptop and drop into a network and scan
>> it. I wanted my laptop to get stolen so I could use it as lojac to locate
>> it.
>>
>> There was an option to do a distributed system with snmpc, but there
>> would have been no benefit to a remote poller on the same network as the
>> distributed server.
>>
>> We had it set up on a school distrct to monitor their wireless
>> infrastructure between campuses, it was sweet because we had no external
>> access, but therough the remoute poller tunnel (it calls home) we had full
>> snmp read/write access on their network in a secure manner
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Xymon FTW!
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 NetXMS *shudder*

 I can just see you sitting there in an argyle sweater sipping tea out
 of your Windows95 mug - watching your NetXMS updates in the client.

 ;)

 (To be fair, Xymon is WAY older than NetXMS, but it was here decades
 before I was LOL)

 On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> NetXMS does that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>