[AFMUG] site monitor autocycle

[TJ Trout]

I know the site monitor can autocycle devices connected via POE, can you
make the onboard relay on the base1/2 cycle by using ind 0, slot 0, pos 0?

I need to cycle a external poe switch

Re: [AFMUG] site monitor autocycle

[George Skorup]

Slot 0 and pos 0 for the relay in the base itself is correct. For the 
Base-II, "Cycle procedure" is the polarity of the 'value' column for 
that slot/pos. To toggle the base relay, reverse it, 1 and then 0. 
Because the normally closed position on that relay = 0. Simply click on 
the edit icon (pencil) and put 1 in the popup box and it reverses it.


The Base-I is similar, just different naming and obviously you have to 
use the SiteMonitor Manager Windows app.


On 12/19/2016 3:27 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I know the site monitor can autocycle devices connected via POE, can 
you make the onboard relay on the base1/2 cycle by using ind 0, slot 
0, pos 0?


I need to cycle a external poe switch

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Paul McCall]

Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:


   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

   No virus found in this message.
   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
   
   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
   Date: 12/15/16


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Jay Weekley]

I wonder how many of these clowns fall.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo 
at the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick 
no less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Chuck McCown]

It has a pretty wide lip.  I enjoyed the walk.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at the end 
watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no less).  Seriously, 
I can’t watch, I have to stop the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Adam Moffett]

Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break 
every so often on one of those platforms.


...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my 
stomach turn.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment


I wonder how many of these clowns fall.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo 
at the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick 
no less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

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12/18/16

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Chuck McCown]

That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
every so often on one of those platforms.

...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
stomach turn.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment


I wonder how many of these clowns fall.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at 
the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no 
less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

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[AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until
we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to replace the
AP.

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations. 

While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence... 

Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'... 

Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line... 

If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival. 

Non-the less life goes on.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

> Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
> been
> all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

> Rory

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[George Skorup]

I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and 
RMA if it's still under warranty.


On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months 
until we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to 
near 0 degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one 
morning the AP was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and 
it showed Ethernet was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync 
Injector). I had an old FSK AP going through the same sync injector 
and wasn't showing any problems. I tried switching the ports on the 
sync injector, changed ports on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and 
used a standard Canopy SM power supply. Finally I even switched the 
known good Ethernet cable from the FSK AP to the 450 and the port is 
still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT either. I am thinking at this 
point that I am going to have to replace the AP.

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Mike Hammett]

I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's easier to get to 
competitive fiber (unless you're in Alaska) than it is to generate the market 
demand that sleepy incumbents provide. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations. 


While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence... 


Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'... 


Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line... 


If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival. 


Non-the less life goes on.. 




Regards. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 







http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471
 

Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has been 
all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract. 

Rory 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its
the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still
showing the same issue.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and RMA
> if it's still under warranty.
>
>
> On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
>> I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until
>> we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
>> degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
>> was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
>> was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
>> FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
>> problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
>> on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
>> supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
>> AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
>> either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to replace the
>> AP.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.

seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so, I
wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate enough
processing to warm the unit

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its
> the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still
> showing the same issue.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and
>> RMA if it's still under warranty.
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months
>>> until we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
>>> degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
>>> was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
>>> was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
>>> FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
>>> problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
>>> on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
>>> supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
>>> AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
>>> either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to replace the
>>> AP.
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Chuck McCown]

All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless.  




From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end


While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations. 

While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted  by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence... 

Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'... 

Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...

If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival. 

Non-the less life goes on.. 


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Rory Conaway" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

  
http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471



  Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
been all about.  I wonder who got paid back for this contract.



  Rory

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Kurt Fankhauser]

new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing problems was
purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a reason this unit was on
Ebay in the first place.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.
>
> seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so,
> I wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate
> enough processing to warm the unit
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt
>> its the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and
>> still showing the same issue.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and
>>> RMA if it's still under warranty.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>
 I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months
 until we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
 degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
 was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
 was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
 FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
 problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
 on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
 supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
 AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
 either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to replace the
 AP.

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Josh Luthman]

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Bill Prince]

I had a situation like this with a Dragonwave backhaul a few years ago. 
Every time the OAT dropped below ~~ 25° it would drop offline. I found I 
could get it to "live" by wrapping the ODU in foam insulation. Helped me 
isolate the problem, and was able to schedule an ODU replacement.



bp


On 12/19/2016 7:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months 
until we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to 
near 0 degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one 
morning the AP was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and 
it showed Ethernet was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync 
Injector). I had an old FSK AP going through the same sync injector 
and wasn't showing any problems. I tried switching the ports on the 
sync injector, changed ports on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and 
used a standard Canopy SM power supply. Finally I even switched the 
known good Ethernet cable from the FSK AP to the 450 and the port is 
still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT either. I am thinking at this 
point that I am going to have to replace the AP.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Ken Hohhof]

Have you checked the AP log to make sure it isn’t doing watchdog resets or 
something?  There have been a couple temperature related problems on 450.  One 
was the ADI Communication Failure problem, AFAIK that was only SMs.  Also 
there’s the memory controller issue, I think that’s at high temperatures 
though, just the same I would make sure you are at 14.1.2 or higher FW version.

 

Some people have reported water intrusion on 450 APs.  I guess if it has water 
in the bottom which froze, that could do bad things.  You say that you swapped 
cables though, so apparently the RJ45 isn’t frozen into a block of ice.

 

You really should have a spare AP on hand.  If nothing else, you  could buy a 
Lite AP, and buy an upgrade key if you actually use it and need >10 subs.  I 
hate buying APs used, you don’t know its history, and you  can’t RMA it.  It’s 
like a refurb laptop, you don’t know why the first buyer returned it to the 
store, did they just not like it, or did it have an intermittent defect?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

 

new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing problems was 
purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a reason this unit was on Ebay 
in the first place.

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.

 

seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so, I 
wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate enough 
processing to warm the unit

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its the 
RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still showing 
the same issue.

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and RMA if 
it's still under warranty.



On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until we 
got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0 degrees a 
couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP was dropping 
offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet was flapping. 
(was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old FSK AP going 
through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any problems. I tried 
switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports on RB2011, eliminated 
sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power supply. Finally I even 
switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK AP to the 450 and the port 
is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT either. I am thinking at this point 
that I am going to have to replace the AP.

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Ken Hohhof]

There’s AT&T and Verizon, which are focused on wireless as Faisal says.

 

Then there’s the remaining scraps of the old Bell System, which will do 
whatever brings in government subsidies.  (Centurylink, Frontier, etc.)

 

The mobile wireless model probably looks like the old ILEC model, where you 
charged a base rate plus all sorts of additional charges for usage, long 
distance, and software based features like voicemail, call waiting, etc.  In 
the mobile world it was voice minutes, then text messages, now it’s data plans 
and overusage.  I’m not quite sure why they keep pushing LTE based fixed 
wireless, unless they intend to charge for usage on that also.  The obvious 
thing would be one family data plan for all your mobile devices plus your fixed 
wireless at home, but that’s going to have to be unlimited or have a very high 
data cap if competing with FTTH.

 

The FTTH model probably looks more like the cable TV model, where you sell a 
bundle of Internet, phone and TV.  Without TV, it looks a lot like a dumb pipe, 
and the former Bell companies swore to never be the dumb pipe again.  That’s 
why you see AT&T and Verizon acquiring content companies.  This goes back to 
the dialup days, when Ma Bell saw all these startups like AOL offering service 
over POTS service, and Ma Bell wasn’t getting a cut of the revenue.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

 

All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless.  

 

  _  

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations. 

 

While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted  by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence... 

 

Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'... 

 

Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...

 

If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival. 

 

Non-the less life goes on.. 

 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 

  _  

From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

 

Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has been 
all about.  I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

 

Rory

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Mark Radabaugh]

There was a issue with 450’s rebooting in cold weather that was addressed in 
recent software versions.   If  you are not running current software I would 
start looking at the release notes to figure out where you need to be.

The issue I believe was traced to a hard to locate instability in the internal 
logic power supply when the CPU load changed that manifested only under low 
temperatures.   Cambium was able to reproduce it reliably in extreme cold 
testing (like -40C) but it was still a very difficult item to track down.


Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
419-261-5996 (cell)
m...@amplex.net

> On Dec 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Have you checked the AP log to make sure it isn’t doing watchdog resets or 
> something?  There have been a couple temperature related problems on 450.  
> One was the ADI Communication Failure problem, AFAIK that was only SMs.  Also 
> there’s the memory controller issue, I think that’s at high temperatures 
> though, just the same I would make sure you are at 14.1.2 or higher FW 
> version.
>  
> Some people have reported water intrusion on 450 APs.  I guess if it has 
> water in the bottom which froze, that could do bad things.  You say that you 
> swapped cables though, so apparently the RJ45 isn’t frozen into a block of 
> ice.
>  
> You really should have a spare AP on hand.  If nothing else, you  could buy a 
> Lite AP, and buy an upgrade key if you actually use it and need >10 subs.  I 
> hate buying APs used, you don’t know its history, and you  can’t RMA it.  
> It’s like a refurb laptop, you don’t know why the first buyer returned it to 
> the store, did they just not like it, or did it have an intermittent defect?
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather
>  
> new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing problems was 
> purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a reason this unit was on 
> Ebay in the first place.
>  
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.
>>  
>> seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so, I 
>> wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate enough 
>> processing to warm the unit
>>  
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>> Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its 
>>> the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still 
>>> showing the same issue.
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
 I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and RMA 
 if it's still under warranty.
 
 
 On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until 
> we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0 
> degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the 
> AP was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed 
> Ethernet was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I 
> had an old FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing 
> any problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed 
> ports on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM 
> power supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from 
> the FSK AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 
> 10-baseT either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to 
> replace the AP.
  
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Ken Hohhof]

My gut tells me I have far more of this port flapping problem on RB2011 than 
any other Mikrotik platform, is it just me?

 

What happens if you pass it through a small Ethernet switch before the 2011?  I 
am considering replacing all my rackmount 2011 with 3011, unfortunately there 
isn’t a desktop version.  I’ve had good luck with RB850Gx2 but it only has 5 
ports.

 

When we first started deploying 450 we had some port flapping problems, I think 
related to sync over power.  After some 450 firmware updates and replacing WB 
surge protectors with GigE HV versions, I don’t think we see that anymore.  I 
do see it happen with the 2011 routers and other equipment like some Exalt 
licensed radios and some AF5x radios.  That’s why I’m suspicious of the 2011.  
On the other hand, we could just have some cables with water in them at those 
sites.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

 

Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its the 
RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still showing 
the same issue.

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com> > wrote:

I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and RMA if 
it's still under warranty.



On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until we 
got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0 degrees a 
couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP was dropping 
offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet was flapping. 
(was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old FSK AP going 
through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any problems. I tried 
switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports on RB2011, eliminated 
sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power supply. Finally I even 
switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK AP to the 450 and the port 
is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT either. I am thinking at this point 
that I am going to have to replace the AP.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Paul McCall]

That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:


   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

   No virus found in this message.
   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
   
   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
   Date: 12/15/16


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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Lewis Bergman]

Why? I mean, I know the basic reason on why. I guess I am asking why do you
choose to still take them if you can sell them bulk, to say Peru or some
other third worldish flavor?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:46 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
>
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>
>

[AFMUG] LTS DVR password reset

[Jaime Solorza]

Hola!
Got a call to assist in resetting password on LTS DVR.   I can access the
DVR login menu using the SADP tool and get code but several email requests
 to ltssecurity.com have not been answered.
Any way to crack it...
Never worked on LTS DVR before...thanks
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Lewis Bergman]

I meant can't sell them of course.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:48 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Why? I mean, I know the basic reason on why. I guess I am asking why do
> you choose to still take them if you can sell them bulk, to say Peru or
> some other third worldish flavor?
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:46 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
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>
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Paul McCall]

Long story….Short version is… .  Bought out a major WISP player (ok, THE 
major WISP player) – They paid shipping .  6  truckloads – in a lot – from FSK 
to 8 ft. dishes almost a year ago.  Had to take it all.

And, yep, we actually sell a fair amount to the 3rd world countries. Not very 
often, but usually large qty

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I meant can't sell them of course.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:48 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why? I mean, I know the basic reason on why. I guess I am asking why do you 
choose to still take them if you can sell them bulk, to say Peru or some other 
third worldish flavor?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:46 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:


   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

   No virus found in this message.
   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
   
   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
   Date: 12/15/16


No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16

Re: [AFMUG] LTS DVR password reset

[Jaime Solorza]

Nevermind...they responded

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Hola!
> Got a call to assist in resetting password on LTS DVR.   I can access the
> DVR login menu using the SADP tool and get code but several email requests
>  to ltssecurity.com have not been answered.
> Any way to crack it...
> Never worked on LTS DVR before...thanks
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yes, that is also true so here is the chicken or the egg question... 

Did the ILEC's focus on fiber (specifically Ethernet) when they were told by 
the FCC that they have to share, provide access to the TDM services (copper & 
fiber) on an regulated basis to other competitors, and there were not going to 
be able to dismantle that at any cost? or because there was a shift in 
technology ? 

Why 'Ethernet', specifically because during the 'deregulation' "forbearance" 
proceedings, the Telco's were able to do a technical contortion to define 
'Fiber' & 'Ethernet' as not being subject to Regulation (having to provide them 
to their competitors on a regulated wholesale basis, but only via unregulated 
commercial agreements) 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:02:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless.

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' 
> for
> folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years
> and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.
> While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline
> business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and
> actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's
> were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when
> you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only
> option available to you... That is not a random coincidence...
> Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'...
> Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the
> ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...
> If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like...
> The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the
> Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of
> possible revival.
> Non-the less life goes on..
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Rory Conaway" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

>> Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
>> been
>> all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

>> Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Dave]

LOL
I luv the 7 Days warranty I get



On 12/17/2016 02:56 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

All SMs?

SmarterBroadband wrote:


We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

5700

P10 Qty 41   $25

P11 Qty 72   $30

2400

P9   Qty 21   $25

P10 Qty 163 $30

900

P9   Qty 43   $30

P10 Qty 96   $35

All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

You pay shipping.

May consider offers for large quantities.

Adam

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release Date: 
12/15/16






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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Dave]

Ok Lewis who is your Black market agent over there :)
LOL


On 12/19/2016 10:51 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I meant can't sell them of course.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:48 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Why? I mean, I know the basic reason on why. I guess I am asking
why do you choose to still take them if you can sell them bulk, to
say Peru or some other third worldish flavor?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:46 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

That would only be 2000 radios. We have 15000 easy

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Broadwick - Lists
*Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519  Office

574-220-7826  Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com



On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still
looking for more, we have plenty too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:

   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory
defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

   No virus found in this message.

   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
 

   

   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database:
4739/13599 - Release

   Date: 12/15/16

No virus found in this message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 


Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610
- Release Date: 12/18/16



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Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue that 
it is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self 
destruction. 

for many reasons:- 

Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can 
barely see beyond a year or so. 
They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there is a 
lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the 
amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions. 

Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10 
years. 
Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
ago vs today. 

The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in the bigger 
picture. 

:) 

Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:45:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's easier to get to
> competitive fiber (unless you're in Alaska) than it is to generate the market
> demand that sleepy incumbents provide.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' 
> for
> folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years
> and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.

> While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline
> business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and
> actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's
> were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when
> you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only
> option available to you... That is not a random coincidence...

> Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'...

> Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the
> ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...

> If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like...
> The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the
> Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of
> possible revival.

> Non-the less life goes on..

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Rory Conaway" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

>> Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
>> been
>> all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

>> Rory

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[George Skorup]

Yes, the FPGA memory controller problem. We had tons of issues with 
that. But it didn't seem to do anything with the ethernet. Mostly sync 
and registration issues. But if the memory contents are unstable, I 
guess anything can happen. I remember telling Aaron we had the most 
problems right after the sun went down and then sometimes just after the 
sun came up. It has to be temperature related! Sure nuf.


13.2.1 and earlier has the broken FPGA image. OK, not broken, but not 
able to handle the insanity. Use 14.1.2 or 14.2.1/15.0.1.


On 12/19/2016 10:39 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
There was a issue with 450’s rebooting in cold weather that was 
addressed in recent software versions.   If  you are not running 
current software I would start looking at the release notes to figure 
out where you need to be.


The issue I believe was traced to a hard to locate instability in the 
internal logic power supply when the CPU load changed that manifested 
only under low temperatures.   Cambium was able to reproduce it 
reliably in extreme cold testing (like -40C) but it was still a very 
difficult item to track down.



Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
419-261-5996 (cell)
m...@amplex.net 

On Dec 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Have you checked the AP log to make sure it isn’t doing watchdog 
resets or something?  There have been a couple temperature related 
problems on 450.  One was the ADI Communication Failure problem, 
AFAIK that was only SMs.  Also there’s the memory controller issue, I 
think that’s at high temperatures though, just the same I would make 
sure you are at 14.1.2 or higher FW version.
Some people have reported water intrusion on 450 APs.  I guess if it 
has water in the bottom which froze, that could do bad things.  You 
say that you swapped cables though, so apparently the RJ45 isn’t 
frozen into a block of ice.
You really should have a spare AP on hand.  If nothing else, you  
could buy a Lite AP, and buy an upgrade key if you actually use it 
and need >10 subs.  I hate buying APs used, you don’t know its 
history, and you  can’t RMA it.  It’s like a refurb laptop, you don’t 
know why the first buyer returned it to the store, did they just not 
like it, or did it have an intermittent defect?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:*Monday, December 19, 2016 10:04 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather
new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing 
problems was purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a 
reason this unit was on Ebay in the first place.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.
seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? 
If so, I wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could 
generate enough processing to warm the unit
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I 
doubt its the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the 
tower and still showing the same issue.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup > wrote:
I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it 
and RMA if it's still under warranty.



On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 
months until we got our first really cold spell last week, temps 
dropped to near 0 degrees a couple nights back to back and when I 
woke up one morning the AP was dropping offline. Logged into the 
Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet was flapping. (was 
originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old FSK AP 
going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any 
problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, 
changed ports on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a 
standard Canopy SM power supply. Finally I even switched the 
known good Ethernet cable from the FSK AP to the 450 and the port 
is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT either. I am thinking 
at this point that I am going to have to replace the AP.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Chuck McCown]

The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
1)Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
2)Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
3)It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in the 
ground.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

Yes, that is also true so here is the chicken or the egg question...

Did the ILEC's focus on fiber (specifically Ethernet) when they were told by 
the FCC that they have to share, provide access to the TDM services (copper & 
fiber) on an regulated basis to other competitors, and there were not going to 
be able to dismantle that at any cost?  or because there was a shift in 
technology ?

Why 'Ethernet', specifically because during the 'deregulation' "forbearance" 
proceedings, the Telco's were able to do a technical contortion to define 
'Fiber' & 'Ethernet' as not being subject to Regulation (having to provide them 
to their competitors on a regulated wholesale basis, but only via unregulated 
commercial agreements)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:02:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

  All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless. 



--

  From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end


  While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' 
for folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 
years and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.

  While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted  by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence...

  Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'...

  Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...

  If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival.

  Non-the less life goes on..


  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end


http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471



Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
been all about.  I wonder who got paid back for this contract.



Rory

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Ken Hohhof]

No doubt AT&T/SBC sought to sell products like Metro Ethernet and U-Verse that 
they were not required to “share” (i.e. sell at wholesale prices) with CLECs.

 

I actually think Verizon embarked on their FiOS journey because of the long 
term vision of one person – Ivan Seidenberg.  Since his retirement, Verizon has 
lost interest in fiber and is interested almost exclusively in wireless.

 

You could also debate the effect on the ILECs of Google Fiber.  I learned 
through years that big telcos are motivated by two things – fear and greed.  So 
fear of a competitor like Google Fiber would definitely provoke a response, if 
only some symbolic fiber deployments to mark their territory.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

 

Yes, that is also true so here is the chicken or the egg question...

 

Did the ILEC's focus on fiber (specifically Ethernet) when they were told by 
the FCC that they have to share, provide access to the TDM services (copper & 
fiber) on an regulated basis to other competitors, and there were not going to 
be able to dismantle that at any cost?  or because there was a shift in 
technology ?

 

Why 'Ethernet', specifically because during the 'deregulation' "forbearance" 
proceedings, the Telco's were able to do a technical contortion to define 
'Fiber' & 'Ethernet' as not being subject to Regulation (having to provide them 
to their competitors on a regulated wholesale basis, but only via unregulated 
commercial agreements)

 

:)

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 

  _  

From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:02:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless. 

 

 


  _  


From: "Faisal Imtiaz" mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.

 

While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted  by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence...

 

Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'...

 

Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...

 

If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival.

 

Non-the less life goes on..

 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 


  _  


From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

 

Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has been 
all about.  I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

 

Rory

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

in regards to your points. 

1) Yes, that is true --> and the reason why their is a shift to focus on 
Wireless / Cell 

2) Have true, might be more applicable in certain areas, but not ubiquitous... 
The desire to cripple the copper infrastructure has to do with 
a) requirement to allow competitive access to copper wires. 
b) WISP's are more like a mosquito to them, they Cable Co's have been eating 
their lunch, while being totally non-regulated (line share aspect). 

3) Yes, agree, especially when it comes with 'we don't have to provide 
wholesale access on a regulated rate of return'. 
But for some of them, it is not meaty enough :) 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
> 1) Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
> 2) Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
> 3) It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in the 
> ground.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:34 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end
> Yes, that is also true so here is the chicken or the egg question...
> Did the ILEC's focus on fiber (specifically Ethernet) when they were told by 
> the
> FCC that they have to share, provide access to the TDM services (copper &
> fiber) on an regulated basis to other competitors, and there were not going to
> be able to dismantle that at any cost? or because there was a shift in
> technology ?
> Why 'Ethernet', specifically because during the 'deregulation' "forbearance"
> proceedings, the Telco's were able to do a technical contortion to define
> 'Fiber' & 'Ethernet' as not being subject to Regulation (having to provide 
> them
> to their competitors on a regulated wholesale basis, but only via unregulated
> commercial agreements)
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:02:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> All the ILECs I know are focused on FTTH, not wireless.

>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' 
>> for
>> folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years
>> and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.
>> While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline
>> business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and
>> actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger 
>> ILEC's
>> were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when
>> you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only
>> option available to you... That is not a random coincidence...
>> Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'...
>> Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the
>> ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line...
>> If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like...
>> The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the
>> Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance 
>> of
>> possible revival.
>> Non-the less life goes on..
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Rory Conaway" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471

>>> Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has 
>>> been
>>> all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract.

>>> Rory

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/19/16 10:11, Chuck McCown wrote:

The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
1)Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
2)Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
3)It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in
the ground.


4) Don't have to share it with anyone else.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Ken Hohhof]

I don't think the "sharing" thing was ever the real objection.  Everyone talks 
like they had to let CLECs use their copper pairs for free, but actually the 
wholesale pricing was supposed to be set at cost plus a fair profit.  Some of 
the UNE pricing I saw made me question how a CLEC could possibly make a profit.

The objection was to exactly what Congress hoped to accomplish with the 1996 
Telecom Act, which was to lower the entry barrier for competition in local 
access.  The idea was that CLECs would initially rent colo cage space in the CO 
for their own switch, and lease copper pairs ("unbundled network elements") 
from the ILEC.  Congress expected that once the more successful CLECs reached a 
certain size, they would start deploying their own physical infrastructure.  
None of this happened as planned.  The ILECs were very successful in their 
maneuvering (a lot of it at state level) to put the CLECs out of business, plus 
the CLECs mostly didn't ever bury their own fiber or copper.  The whole thing 
pretty much fizzled.  But the big ILECs wanted to block this attempt to create 
competition for them.  They wanted to keep the duopoly - 1 telco, 1 cableco per 
town.  You'll notice the cable companies don't overbuild each other, and the 
wireline phone companies don't overbuild each other.  I think when the govt 
broke up Ma Bell, they expected the RBOCs to build into each others territories 
and compete for local wireline customers.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

On 12/19/16 10:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
> The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
> 1)Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
> 2)Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
> 3)It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in
> the ground.

4) Don't have to share it with anyone else.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[SmarterBroadband]

No APs

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we 
> have plenty too
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  > wrote:
>
> All SMs?
>
> SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
> We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
> 5700
>
> P10 Qty 41   $25
>
> P11 Qty 72   $30
>
> 2400
>
> P9   Qty 21   $25
>
> P10 Qty 163 $30
>
> 900
>
> P9   Qty 43   $30
>
> P10 Qty 96   $35
>
> All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
> Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
> You pay shipping.
>
> May consider offers for large quantities.
>
> Adam
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> 
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
> Date: 12/15/16
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 
> 12/18/16
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Chuck McCown]

CLECs were never really able to make any decent money from the get go.  By 
design in my opinion.
But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf space 
for some dollar store product?

It was like Obamacare, some elements looked good on paper.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

I don't think the "sharing" thing was ever the real objection.  Everyone 
talks like they had to let CLECs use their copper pairs for free, but 
actually the wholesale pricing was supposed to be set at cost plus a fair 
profit.  Some of the UNE pricing I saw made me question how a CLEC could 
possibly make a profit.


The objection was to exactly what Congress hoped to accomplish with the 1996 
Telecom Act, which was to lower the entry barrier for competition in local 
access.  The idea was that CLECs would initially rent colo cage space in the 
CO for their own switch, and lease copper pairs ("unbundled network 
elements") from the ILEC.  Congress expected that once the more successful 
CLECs reached a certain size, they would start deploying their own physical 
infrastructure.  None of this happened as planned.  The ILECs were very 
successful in their maneuvering (a lot of it at state level) to put the 
CLECs out of business, plus the CLECs mostly didn't ever bury their own 
fiber or copper.  The whole thing pretty much fizzled.  But the big ILECs 
wanted to block this attempt to create competition for them.  They wanted to 
keep the duopoly - 1 telco, 1 cableco per town.  You'll notice the cable 
companies don't overbuild each other, and the wireline phone companies don't 
overbuild each other.  I think when the govt broke up Ma Bell, they expected 
the RBOCs to build into each others territories and compete for local 
wireline customers.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

On 12/19/16 10:11, Chuck McCown wrote:

The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
1)Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
2)Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
3)It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in
the ground.


4) Don't have to share it with anyone else.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Josh Luthman]

I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I 
jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were 
paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and 
earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Chuck McCown]

I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.  

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy 


Hi,

After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I 
jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were 
paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and 
earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/19/16 12:09, Chuck McCown wrote:

CLECs were never really able to make any decent money from the get go.
By design in my opinion.
But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf
space for some dollar store product?

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Chuck McCown]

Damn, hard to dress for Wal-Mart these days...

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 


On 12/19/16 12:09, Chuck McCown wrote:

CLECs were never really able to make any decent money from the get go.
By design in my opinion.
But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf
space for some dollar store product?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Lewis Bergman]

VZ is one of those "Dividend Aristocrat" stocks. They have paid dividends
for at least a couple of decades and have a history of steadily increasing
them to exceed the inflation rate. Those are the only non index stocks I
own. Maybe 30 of them in all.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
>
> Hi,
>
> After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
> jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
> paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
> earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Paul McCall]

Ye of little faith Josh ☺  will send offlist

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:


   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

   No virus found in this message.
   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
   
   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
   Date: 12/15/16


No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Paul Stewart]

Yup … they are part of my portfolio for quite some time …. steady predictable 
return … I have seen great long term from Sysco Foods that same way too …


> On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> VZ is one of those "Dividend Aristocrat" stocks. They have paid dividends for 
> at least a couple of decades and have a history of steadily increasing them 
> to exceed the inflation rate. Those are the only non index stocks I own. 
> Maybe 30 of them in all. 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
> jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
> paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
> earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
> 
> Travis
> 

[AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

[Matt]

If you have a wifi router that supports 5ghz and 2.4ghz bands and you
set the essid the same on both will devices(iphones,ipads,roku,game
consoles,etc) choose the band with the best connection?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Timothy Steele]

Are you sure it's the cold and not water from the ICE getting into that
cable or you cable is longer then 300ft?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, 12:52 PM George Skorup  wrote:

> Yes, the FPGA memory controller problem. We had tons of issues with that.
> But it didn't seem to do anything with the ethernet. Mostly sync and
> registration issues. But if the memory contents are unstable, I guess
> anything can happen. I remember telling Aaron we had the most problems
> right after the sun went down and then sometimes just after the sun came
> up. It has to be temperature related! Sure nuf.
>
> 13.2.1 and earlier has the broken FPGA image. OK, not broken, but not able
> to handle the insanity. Use 14.1.2 or 14.2.1/15.0.1.
>
>
> On 12/19/2016 10:39 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> There was a issue with 450’s rebooting in cold weather that was addressed
> in recent software versions.   If  you are not running current software I
> would start looking at the release notes to figure out where you need to
> be.
>
> The issue I believe was traced to a hard to locate instability in the
> internal logic power supply when the CPU load changed that manifested only
> under low temperatures.   Cambium was able to reproduce it reliably in
> extreme cold testing (like -40C) but it was still a very difficult item to
> track down.
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43443
> 419-837-5015 x1021
> 419-261-5996 (cell)
> m...@amplex.net
>
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Have you checked the AP log to make sure it isn’t doing watchdog resets or
> something?  There have been a couple temperature related problems on 450.
> One was the ADI Communication Failure problem, AFAIK that was only SMs.
> Also there’s the memory controller issue, I think that’s at high
> temperatures though, just the same I would make sure you are at 14.1.2 or
> higher FW version.
>
> Some people have reported water intrusion on 450 APs.  I guess if it has
> water in the bottom which froze, that could do bad things.  You say that
> you swapped cables though, so apparently the RJ45 isn’t frozen into a block
> of ice.
>
> You really should have a spare AP on hand.  If nothing else, you  could
> buy a Lite AP, and buy an upgrade key if you actually use it and need >10
> subs.  I hate buying APs used, you don’t know its history, and you  can’t
> RMA it.  It’s like a refurb laptop, you don’t know why the first buyer
> returned it to the store, did they just not like it, or did it have an
> intermittent defect?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 10:04 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather
>
> new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing problems
> was purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a reason this unit was
> on Ebay in the first place.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.
>
> seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so,
> I wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate
> enough processing to warm the unit
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt its
> the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and still
> showing the same issue.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and RMA
> if it's still under warranty.
>
>
> On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until
> we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
> degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
> was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
> was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
> FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
> problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
> on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
> supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
> AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
> either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to have to replace the
> AP.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

[Chris Fabien]

If the SSID is the same, the device will choose which AP to associate, just
like if two 2.4 APs have same SSID. The logic on how to choose the AP and
when to switch to another is device dependant and not always implemented
well.

We set the SSID different and educate the customer to usually prefer the 5G
if the device can see it. It gets too confusing and hard to troubleshoot
when they are same SSID and the customer can't easily tell which band the
device has chosen.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

> If you have a wifi router that supports 5ghz and 2.4ghz bands and you
> set the essid the same on both will devices(iphones,ipads,roku,game
> consoles,etc) choose the band with the best connection?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

[Ken Hohhof]

I am not an expert, but I think the answer is a qualified yes.

Devices will choose a band based on some criteria.  Whether it chooses the one 
with the "best connection" depends.  Also, Apple devices seems to prefer 5 GHz 
over 2.4 no matter what.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

If you have a wifi router that supports 5ghz and 2.4ghz bands and you set the 
essid the same on both will devices(iphones,ipads,roku,game
consoles,etc) choose the band with the best connection?

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I wanna see this pile too

On Dec 19, 2016 2:54 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
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>Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Jay Weekley]

We may have some interest in 900 mhz APs.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we 
have plenty too


On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


All SMs?

SmarterBroadband wrote:


We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

5700

P10 Qty 41   $25

P11 Qty 72   $30

2400

P9   Qty 21   $25

P10 Qty 163 $30

900

P9   Qty 43   $30

P10 Qty 96   $35

All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

You pay shipping.

May consider offers for large quantities.

Adam

No virus found in this message.
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Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Ken Hohhof]

Once the new guy takes over at EPA, we’ll be able to use them for bonfires, 
right?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

I wanna see this pile too

 

On Dec 19, 2016 2:54 PM, "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Ye of little faith Josh :)  will send offlist

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.   

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519   Office

574-220-7826   Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  


On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

 

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>  > wrote:

 

   All SMs?

 

   SmarterBroadband wrote:

 

 

   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

 

   5700

 

   P10 Qty 41   $25

 

   P11 Qty 72   $30

 

   2400

 

   P9   Qty 21   $25

 

   P10 Qty 163 $30

 

   900

 

   P9   Qty 43   $30

 

   P10 Qty 96   $35

 

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

 

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

 

   You pay shipping.

 

   May consider offers for large quantities.

 

   Adam

 

   No virus found in this message.

   Checked by AVG - www.avg.com   

   

   Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release

   Date: 12/15/16

 

 

No virus found in this message.

Checked by AVG - www.avg.com   

Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Lewis Bergman]

I think you will be encouraged to burn anything you want as long as the
smoke is black.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Once the new guy takes over at EPA, we’ll be able to use them for
> bonfires, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:34 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I wanna see this pile too
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2016 2:54 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Chuck McCown]

maybe you should be putting some more foam on that fire.  I’m not an Eskimo 
over here, you know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVs4x7aWnAw


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Once the new guy takes over at EPA, we’ll be able to use them for bonfires, 
right?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

I wanna see this pile too

 

On Dec 19, 2016 2:54 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

  Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

   

  I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

 

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
  Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

   

  Paul McCall generally has stock.

  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826 Cell

  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


  On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:

Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we 
have plenty too

   

  On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

   

 All SMs?

   

 SmarterBroadband wrote:

   

   

 We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   

 5700

   

 P10 Qty 41   $25

   

 P11 Qty 72   $30

   

 2400

   

 P9   Qty 21   $25

   

 P10 Qty 163 $30

   

 900

   

 P9   Qty 43   $30

   

 P10 Qty 96   $35

   

 All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   

 Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   

 You pay shipping.

   

 May consider offers for large quantities.

   

 Adam

   

 No virus found in this message.

 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 

 

 Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release

 Date: 12/15/16

   

   

  No virus found in this message.

  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 

  Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 
12/18/16

   

 

 

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Cameron Crum]

Which one?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, December 19,
> 2016 1:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
> Hi,
>
> After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I jumped
> into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were paying a
> 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and earning the 4.45%
> return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Josh Luthman]

I have faith, I just want to see it!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>
>
>
>All SMs?
>
>
>
>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>
>
>
>5700
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 41   $25
>
>
>
>P11 Qty 72   $30
>
>
>
>2400
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 21   $25
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 163 $30
>
>
>
>900
>
>
>
>P9   Qty 43   $30
>
>
>
>P10 Qty 96   $35
>
>
>
>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>
>
>
>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>
>
>
>You pay shipping.
>
>
>
>May consider offers for large quantities.
>
>
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>No virus found in this message.
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
>
>
>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>
>Date: 12/15/16
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Mike Hammett]

The more fiber companies bought, the more that start up. Not 1:1, but it's 
happening. Level 3 started buying up anyone selling dark... then Zayo comes 
along and overbuilds everything. 

I have confidence that VZ and AT&T couldn't keep up buying everyone. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue that 
it is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self 
destruction. 


for many reasons:- 


Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can 
barely see beyond a year or so. 
They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there is a 
lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the 
amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions. 


Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10 
years. 
Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
ago vs today. 


The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in the bigger 
picture. 


:) 




Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:45:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 






I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's easier to get to 
competitive fiber (unless you're in Alaska) than it is to generate the market 
demand that sleepy incumbents provide. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:40:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 
folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years 
and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations. 

While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline 
business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and 
actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger ILEC's 
were focused on wire-line business... Some of you feel the pinch of this when 
you go looking for Fat Pipes for your Backhaul and get shafted by the only 
option available to you... That is not a random coincidence... 

Yes, I am simplifying this.a lot happen when WISP's were 'sleeping'... 

Now, I cringe, to see what happens in the coming years, especially since the 
ILEC's have decided to focus on Wireless, in favor of the wire line... 

If I was to describe what happened in the wireline world, it would be like... 
The Republicans shot the small business isp/nsp/clec's in the back, and the 
Democrats double nailed the coffins so that there was pretty much no chance of 
possible revival. 

Non-the less life goes on.. 


Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:29:01 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 







http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471
 

Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has been 
all about. I wonder who got paid back for this contract. 

Rory 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Mathew Howard]

I'm not sure I would walk around that, but it really didn't seem that bad
to me...
Looks like it would be kind of an enjoyable climb.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
> Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
> every so often on one of those platforms.
>
> ...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
> stomach turn.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> I wonder how many of these clowns fall.
>>
>> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at
>>> the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no
>>> less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo
>>>
>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13611 - Release Date:
>>> 12/18/16
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Chuck McCown]

It would take me some time to get used to it, provided there was no wind.  But 
I think I could walk from lightning rod to lightning rod, but not while holding 
a selfie stick.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

I'm not sure I would walk around that, but it really didn't seem that bad to 
me...

Looks like it would be kind of an enjoyable climb.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
  Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.

  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

  Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
  every so often on one of those platforms.

  ...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
  stomach turn.



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment


I wonder how many of these clowns fall.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


  I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at 
the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no less).  
Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, it's pretty wide, but I think I could do it as long as there was no
wind... I'd at least sit on it, after climbing all the way up there. I
definitely would skip the selfie stick though.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It would take me some time to get used to it, provided there was no wind.
> But I think I could walk from lightning rod to lightning rod, but not while
> holding a selfie stick.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:10 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> I'm not sure I would walk around that, but it really didn't seem that bad
> to me...
> Looks like it would be kind of an enjoyable climb.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
>> Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>>
>> Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
>> every so often on one of those platforms.
>>
>> ...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
>> stomach turn.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>>
>> I wonder how many of these clowns fall.
>>>
>>> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>

 I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at
 the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no
 less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo

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>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I think you are missing the point here... 

You know that Bandwidth Cost is heading down-wards  

and Dark Fiber Cost is being manipulated to go-upwards ... 
by (acquisition, and taking excess inventory off the table). 

Net result is a changing economics where only a few are actively working on 
cornering the price of fiber connectivity. 

If you want to see a good example of this playing out... take a look at what is 
happening in the Caribbean Island connectivity. 

The largest ISP's are the ones who are controlling the Undersea cable, thus 
setting up the rules of the game, as they fold into each other, pitting them 
against each other gets harder 

I am not presenting this as doom and gloom, just saying that if you are okay 
with this, don't be crying that one day you wake up to find out that the only 
choice you have is between bad and worse  :) 

--- 
Where is this all leading to ? 

Here is what we are seeing, I believe that both the Cable Co and the ILEC are 
in a race to make alternate technologies obsolete, raising the game for 
'Gigabit connectivity' (don't read this a 1g connection, anything over 300meg 
would fall in this category). 

ATT is quietly converting all of their ME buildings into a nice GPON based 
offering. 
Comcast is doing a nice overbuild... 
Keep in mind both of them are monopolies, when it comes to serving territory.. 

So if this continues, the competitive offerings will get starved out, or be 
severely marginalized by being limited in service area due to lack of viable 
cost-effective backhaul. 

You are going to see this in the Major Metro Areas first (starting in the next 
couple of years, and building up to full steam pace in say 5 years) and 
then you will this spanning out to other areas. 

Will you see this in your area ? I cannot say yes or no, but this is where 
things seem to be headed. 

= 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:09:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> The more fiber companies bought, the more that start up. Not 1:1, but it's
> happening. Level 3 started buying up anyone selling dark... then Zayo comes
> along and overbuilds everything.

> I have confidence that VZ and AT&T couldn't keep up buying everyone.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 11:43:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue that 
> it
> is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self
> destruction.

> for many reasons:-

> Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can
> barely see beyond a year or so.
> They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there is 
> a
> lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the
> amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions.

> Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10
> years.
> Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
> ago
> vs today .

> The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in the bigger
> picture.

> a

> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 10:45:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's easier to get to
>> competitive fiber (unless you're in Alaska) than it is to generate the market
>> demand that sleepy incumbents provide.

>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>> The Brothers WISP

>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 9:40:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' 
>> for
>> folks from the other party, I would strongly suggest you go back 12/18 years
>> and see how the FCC has acted under different administrations.

>> While you may not care too much for this, but the CLEC's business / Wireline
>> business were decimated under then Republican FCC ...(WISP's were spared and
>> actually picked up business from that carnage). At that time the larger 
>> ILEC's
>> were focused on wire-line b

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Gino Villarini]

Please do share

On 12/19/16, 4:14 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Travis Johnson
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
>
>Hi,
>
>After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
>jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
>paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
>earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>
>Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Tushar Patel]

Please share other dividend paying stocks you recommend.

Tushar


> On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> VZ is one of those "Dividend Aristocrat" stocks. They have paid dividends for 
> at least a couple of decades and have a history of steadily increasing them 
> to exceed the inflation rate. Those are the only non index stocks I own. 
> Maybe 30 of them in all. 
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
>> jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
>> paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
>> earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>> 
>> Travis
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Mike Hammett]

I didn't miss the point, I rejected it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:41:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



I think you are missing the point here... 



You know that Bandwidth Cost is heading down-wards  


and Dark Fiber Cost is being manipulated to go-upwards ... 
by (acquisition, and taking excess inventory off the table). 


Net result is a changing economics where only a few are actively working on 
cornering the price of fiber connectivity. 


If you want to see a good example of this playing out... take a look at what is 
happening in the Caribbean Island connectivity. 


The largest ISP's are the ones who are controlling the Undersea cable, thus 
setting up the rules of the game, as they fold into each other, pitting them 
against each other gets harder 


I am not presenting this as doom and gloom, just saying that if you are okay 
with this, don't be crying that one day you wake up to find out that the only 
choice you have is between bad and worse  :) 


--- 
Where is this all leading to ? 


Here is what we are seeing, I believe that both the Cable Co and the ILEC are 
in a race to make alternate technologies obsolete, raising the game for 
'Gigabit connectivity' (don't read this a 1g connection, anything over 300meg 
would fall in this category). 


ATT is quietly converting all of their ME buildings into a nice GPON based 
offering. 
Comcast is doing a nice overbuild... 
Keep in mind both of them are monopolies, when it comes to serving territory.. 


So if this continues, the competitive offerings will get starved out, or be 
severely marginalized by being limited in service area due to lack of viable 
cost-effective backhaul. 


You are going to see this in the Major Metro Areas first (starting in the next 
couple of years, and building up to full steam pace in say 5 years) and 
then you will this spanning out to other areas. 


Will you see this in your area ? I cannot say yes or no, but this is where 
things seem to be headed. 


= 






Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:09:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 






The more fiber companies bought, the more that start up. Not 1:1, but it's 
happening. Level 3 started buying up anyone selling dark... then Zayo comes 
along and overbuilds everything. 

I have confidence that VZ and AT&T couldn't keep up buying everyone. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 11:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue that 
it is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self 
destruction. 

for many reasons:- 

Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can 
barely see beyond a year or so. 
They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there is a 
lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the 
amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions. 

Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10 
years. 
Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
ago vs today . 

The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in the bigger 
picture. 

a 


Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 10:45:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 






I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's easier to get to 
competitive fiber (unless you're in Alaska) than it is to generate the market 
demand that sleepy incumbents provide. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 9:40:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



While I realize that someone of you have an incredibly deep rooted 'hatred' for 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Chuck McCown]

fusvx

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

Please do share

On 12/19/16, 4:14 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Travis Johnson
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
>
>Hi,
>
>After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
>jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
>paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
>earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>
>Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Your portrayal below is what I can best describe as 'understanding of how the 
Titanic Sank' from having watched the Movie.

What I mean by that is, you have gotten the jist of it correct, but you have no 
feeling of the depth of the shenanigans which were involved.

While some circles have argued that Duopoly was acceptable to the ILEC's, my 
personal opinion is that only happened after the Supreme Court Case of BrandX.
(Which solidified the Cable Operators position of not having to provide 
competitive access on their network).

While we talk about copper wires, we often forget that the obligation to share 
access to copper wires was a requirement due to the ILEC's being funded by 
public funds, which allowed them to build their network.

When it came to sharing, the ILEC's quickly saw that new startups can and will 
eat their lunch in the near future, unless they got back to calling the shots.
They like being a monopoly... these days, it is Fiber, Internet and Video (TV 
Content).

Just look at the acquisitions... (all rules which could be dismantled, have 
been dismantled, new rules were put in place regarding new media, which would 
make it more challenging to address,)
If you don't believe me, see what is happening with VOIP and ATT VOIP = 
unregulated (loosely speaking) when compared to POTS lines...

We have seen ATT bills, quietly changing POTS line billing to showing them as 
VOIP lines on their Uverse Bills Guess why ? 

Most of us tend not to realize how much $$$ is in Telecom... 
For every nation, Telecom tends to be a significantly large part of the GDP, 
and it is all $$$ made from vapor (electrons).
So it is understandable why there is such a close relationship between Telecom 
and any Gov.

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 2:58:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> I don't think the "sharing" thing was ever the real objection.  Everyone talks
> like they had to let CLECs use their copper pairs for free, but actually the
> wholesale pricing was supposed to be set at cost plus a fair profit.  Some of
> the UNE pricing I saw made me question how a CLEC could possibly make a 
> profit.
> 
> The objection was to exactly what Congress hoped to accomplish with the 1996
> Telecom Act, which was to lower the entry barrier for competition in local
> access.  The idea was that CLECs would initially rent colo cage space in the 
> CO
> for their own switch, and lease copper pairs ("unbundled network elements")
> from the ILEC.  Congress expected that once the more successful CLECs reached 
> a
> certain size, they would start deploying their own physical infrastructure.
> None of this happened as planned.  The ILECs were very successful in their
> maneuvering (a lot of it at state level) to put the CLECs out of business, 
> plus
> the CLECs mostly didn't ever bury their own fiber or copper.  The whole thing
> pretty much fizzled.  But the big ILECs wanted to block this attempt to create
> competition for them.  They wanted to keep the duopoly - 1 telco, 1 cableco 
> per
> town.  You'll notice the cable companies don't overbuild each other, and the
> wireline phone companies don't overbuild each other.  I think when the govt
> broke up Ma Bell, they expected the RBOCs to build into each others 
> territories
> and compete for local wireline customers.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end
> 
> On 12/19/16 10:11, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> The ILECs are focusing on fiber for several reasons:
>> 1)Dramatic loss of land line only customers due to cell phones.
>> 2)Loss of DSL customers to WISP due to long and poor copper.
>> 3)It is a good way to put more rate of return investment dollars in
>> the ground.
> 
> 4) Don't have to share it with anyone else.
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i see why he climbs alone though, any douchebag who runs his hand through
his hair that many times would get pushed into the pipe

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, it's pretty wide, but I think I could do it as long as there was no
> wind... I'd at least sit on it, after climbing all the way up there. I
> definitely would skip the selfie stick though.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> It would take me some time to get used to it, provided there was no
>> wind.  But I think I could walk from lightning rod to lightning rod, but
>> not while holding a selfie stick.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:10 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety
>> equipment
>>
>> I'm not sure I would walk around that, but it really didn't seem that bad
>> to me...
>> Looks like it would be kind of an enjoyable climb.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
>>> Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>>>
>>> Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
>>> every so often on one of those platforms.
>>>
>>> ...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
>>> stomach turn.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>>>
>>> I wonder how many of these clowns fall.

 Ken Hohhof wrote:

>
> I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo
> at the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no
> less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13611 - Release Date:
> 12/18/16
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you would think there would be a two way standard for this where the
devices defaultly do whatever the ap says to do unless its specifically
configured otherwise in the device

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I am not an expert, but I think the answer is a qualified yes.
>
> Devices will choose a band based on some criteria.  Whether it chooses the
> one with the "best connection" depends.  Also, Apple devices seems to
> prefer 5 GHz over 2.4 no matter what.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers
>
> If you have a wifi router that supports 5ghz and 2.4ghz bands and you set
> the essid the same on both will devices(iphones,ipads,roku,game
> consoles,etc) choose the band with the best connection?
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers

[Mike Hammett]

Some APs have "band steering". I'm not sure what's involved. Maybe it's not any 
more complicated than determining a client should be on 5 gig and kicking it 
from 2.4 so the device rescans? I'm too lazy to even Google it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:02:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers 


you would think there would be a two way standard for this where the devices 
defaultly do whatever the ap says to do unless its specifically configured 
otherwise in the device 


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 


I am not an expert, but I think the answer is a qualified yes. 

Devices will choose a band based on some criteria. Whether it chooses the one 
with the "best connection" depends. Also, Apple devices seems to prefer 5 GHz 
over 2.4 no matter what. 




-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Dual Band Wifi Routers 

If you have a wifi router that supports 5ghz and 2.4ghz bands and you set the 
essid the same on both will devices(iphones,ipads,roku,game 
consoles,etc) choose the band with the best connection? 








-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

> But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf space
> for some dollar store product?

Well here is the Rub on this if you take Wal-Mart for example, on one hand 
they have a very successful business model, and offer savings and convenience, 
on the other hand they are also responsible (contribution) for decimating small 
businesses and small mfg in this country ( I am not say that they were the only 
factor).

The question becomes, though which lens do you want to review Wal-Mart from ? 

You cannot have it both ways... :)

Besides, Wal-Mart did not build their stores with public subsides.. (cough 
cough USF funds as an example ).


> It was like Obamacare, some elements looked good on paper.

I have my own opinion on this... I don't understand why everyone keep harping 
on Obamacarewithout even batting any eye on the un-checked greed that 
allows for the Cost of Healtcare to be set with no limits in 

(It is a F***ing insurance policy to pay the Health Care tabCall it what 
ever care you want.. it  will keep going up as long as the Cost of Health care 
goes unchecked.. I challenge you to give it some thought and then tell me 
Under the current health care system (not taking about insurance)..who  has the 
incentive for being economically conscious and frugal for the sake of all 
parties involved..NO Body !!! it is is everyone's personal benefit  to 
charge and collect as much as they can, no questions asked ! ! ) 





 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:09:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> CLECs were never really able to make any decent money from the get go.  By
> design in my opinion.
> But really, would Wal-Mart be happy about giving up some prime shelf space
> for some dollar store product?
> It was like Obamacare, some elements looked good on paper.
> 
> --

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Educate and share point of view, I can 

Change someone's point of view, I cannot... 

Each one of us chooses to 'see' the history and the future in our own ways, and 
that is what makes each of us unique. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:49:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> I didn't miss the point, I rejected it.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:41:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

> I think you are missing the point here...

> You know that Bandwidth Cost is heading down-wards 

> and Dark Fiber Cost is being manipulated to go-upwards ...
> by (acquisition, and taking excess inventory off the table).

> Net result is a changing economics where only a few are actively working on
> cornering the price of fiber connectivity.

> If you want to see a good example of this playing out... take a look at what 
> is
> happening in the Caribbean Island connectivity.

> The largest ISP's are the ones who are controlling the Undersea cable, thus
> setting up the rules of the game, as they fold into each other, pitting them
> against each other gets harder

> I am not presenting this as doom and gloom, just saying that if you are okay
> with this, don't be crying that one day you wake up to find out that the only
> choice you have is between bad and worse  :)

> ---
> Where is this all leading to ?

> Here is what we are seeing, I believe that both the Cable Co and the ILEC are 
> in
> a race to make alternate technologies obsolete, raising the game for 'Gigabit
> connectivity' (don't read this a 1g connection, anything over 300meg would 
> fall
> in this category).

> ATT is quietly converting all of their ME buildings into a nice GPON based
> offering.
> Comcast is doing a nice overbuild...
> Keep in mind both of them are monopolies, when it comes to serving territory..

> So if this continues, the competitive offerings will get starved out, or be
> severely marginalized by being limited in service area due to lack of viable
> cost-effective backhaul.

> You are going to see this in the Major Metro Areas first (starting in the next
> couple of years, and building up to full steam pace in say 5 years) and
> then you will this spanning out to other areas.

> Will you see this in your area ? I cannot say yes or no, but this is where
> things seem to be headed.

> =

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:09:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> The more fiber companies bought, the more that start up. Not 1:1, but it's
>> happening. Level 3 started buying up anyone selling dark... then Zayo comes
>> along and overbuilds everything.

>> I have confidence that VZ and AT&T couldn't keep up buying everyone.

>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>> The Brothers WISP

>> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 11:43:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>> Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue 
>> that it
>> is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self
>> destruction.

>> for many reasons:-

>> Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can
>> barely see beyond a year or so.
>> They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there 
>> is a
>> lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the
>> amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions.

>> Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10
>> years.
>> Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
>> ago
>> vs today .

>> The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in the bigger
>> picture.

>> a

>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 10:45:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

>>> I'm fine with the wireline world being decimated. It's

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I am running firmware 14.2.1 and also there is no water intrusion on the
Ethernet cable, I have already checked the ends of the cable and they look
brand new. Cable are less than 100 feet.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Are you sure it's the cold and not water from the ICE getting into that
> cable or you cable is longer then 300ft?
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, 12:52 PM George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the FPGA memory controller problem. We had tons of issues with that.
>> But it didn't seem to do anything with the ethernet. Mostly sync and
>> registration issues. But if the memory contents are unstable, I guess
>> anything can happen. I remember telling Aaron we had the most problems
>> right after the sun went down and then sometimes just after the sun came
>> up. It has to be temperature related! Sure nuf.
>>
>> 13.2.1 and earlier has the broken FPGA image. OK, not broken, but not
>> able to handle the insanity. Use 14.1.2 or 14.2.1/15.0.1.
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 10:39 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>> There was a issue with 450’s rebooting in cold weather that was addressed
>> in recent software versions.   If  you are not running current software I
>> would start looking at the release notes to figure out where you need to
>> be.
>>
>> The issue I believe was traced to a hard to locate instability in the
>> internal logic power supply when the CPU load changed that manifested only
>> under low temperatures.   Cambium was able to reproduce it reliably in
>> extreme cold testing (like -40C) but it was still a very difficult item to
>> track down.
>>
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> 419-837-5015 x1021 <(419)%20837-5015>
>> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> (cell)
>> m...@amplex.net
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Have you checked the AP log to make sure it isn’t doing watchdog resets
>> or something?  There have been a couple temperature related problems on
>> 450.  One was the ADI Communication Failure problem, AFAIK that was only
>> SMs.  Also there’s the memory controller issue, I think that’s at high
>> temperatures though, just the same I would make sure you are at 14.1.2 or
>> higher FW version.
>>
>> Some people have reported water intrusion on 450 APs.  I guess if it has
>> water in the bottom which froze, that could do bad things.  You say that
>> you swapped cables though, so apparently the RJ45 isn’t frozen into a block
>> of ice.
>>
>> You really should have a spare AP on hand.  If nothing else, you  could
>> buy a Lite AP, and buy an upgrade key if you actually use it and need >10
>> subs.  I hate buying APs used, you don’t know its history, and you  can’t
>> RMA it.  It’s like a refurb laptop, you don’t know why the first buyer
>> returned it to the store, did they just not like it, or did it have an
>> intermittent defect?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 10:04 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP dropping Ethernet in cold weather
>>
>> new AP is on order, if I recall I think that this unit showing problems
>> was purchased on EBAY so I am wondering if there was a reason this unit was
>> on Ebay in the first place.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> wrap the whole radio and antenna in aluminum foil to keep the heat in.
>>
>> seriously though, do you give subscribers any access to the units? If so,
>> I wonder if having them run a bunch of link speedtests could generate
>> enough processing to warm the unit
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Seems that the colder it is the more frequent the flapping is. I doubt
>> its the RJ45 ends since I tried a different cable run on the tower and
>> still showing the same issue.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would try new RJ45s on both ends. If that's not it, then swap it and
>> RMA if it's still under warranty.
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 9:35 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I have a 3.65ghz 450 AP that was running flawless for over 6 months until
>> we got our first really cold spell last week, temps dropped to near 0
>> degrees a couple nights back to back and when I woke up one morning the AP
>> was dropping offline. Logged into the Mikrotik 2011 and it showed Ethernet
>> was flapping. (was originally going through a Sync Injector). I had an old
>> FSK AP going through the same sync injector and wasn't showing any
>> problems. I tried switching the ports on the sync injector, changed ports
>> on RB2011, eliminated sync injector and used a standard Canopy SM power
>> supply. Finally I even switched the known good Ethernet cable from the FSK
>> AP to the 450 and the port is still flapping. Won't lock to 10-baseT
>> either. I am thinking at this point that I am going to 

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Mike Hammett]

Some are far more unique than others (not implying you... well, for this 
discussion's sake... for other discussions, yes.) ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:19:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



Educate and share point of view, I can 


Change someone's point of view, I cannot... 


Each one of us chooses to 'see' the history and the future in our own ways, and 
that is what makes each of us unique. 


:) 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:49:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 






I didn't miss the point, I rejected it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:41:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



I think you are missing the point here... 


You know that Bandwidth Cost is heading down-wards  

and Dark Fiber Cost is being manipulated to go-upwards ... 
by (acquisition, and taking excess inventory off the table). 

Net result is a changing economics where only a few are actively working on 
cornering the price of fiber connectivity. 

If you want to see a good example of this playing out... take a look at what is 
happening in the Caribbean Island connectivity. 

The largest ISP's are the ones who are controlling the Undersea cable, thus 
setting up the rules of the game, as they fold into each other, pitting them 
against each other gets harder 

I am not presenting this as doom and gloom, just saying that if you are okay 
with this, don't be crying that one day you wake up to find out that the only 
choice you have is between bad and worse  :) 

--- 
Where is this all leading to ? 

Here is what we are seeing, I believe that both the Cable Co and the ILEC are 
in a race to make alternate technologies obsolete, raising the game for 
'Gigabit connectivity' (don't read this a 1g connection, anything over 300meg 
would fall in this category). 

ATT is quietly converting all of their ME buildings into a nice GPON based 
offering. 
Comcast is doing a nice overbuild... 
Keep in mind both of them are monopolies, when it comes to serving territory.. 

So if this continues, the competitive offerings will get starved out, or be 
severely marginalized by being limited in service area due to lack of viable 
cost-effective backhaul. 

You are going to see this in the Major Metro Areas first (starting in the next 
couple of years, and building up to full steam pace in say 5 years) and 
then you will this spanning out to other areas. 

Will you see this in your area ? I cannot say yes or no, but this is where 
things seem to be headed. 

= 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:09:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 






The more fiber companies bought, the more that start up. Not 1:1, but it's 
happening. Level 3 started buying up anyone selling dark... then Zayo comes 
along and overbuilds everything. 

I have confidence that VZ and AT&T couldn't keep up buying everyone. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 19 , 2016 11:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end 



Yes, Mike while this is a position one can choose to take, I would argue that 
it is a position is at best one of 'short term' which would lead to self 
destruction. 

for many reasons:- 

Telco's and ILEC's are working on a 20, 30 year out look, while you and I can 
barely see beyond a year or so. 
They are big enough to buy whom ever they want. So if you think that there is a 
lot of competitive fiber available, check again, and you will see that the 
amount of choices in the market place are shrinking due to acquisitions. 

Just look at who Folks such as Centurylink has gobbled up in the last 5-10 
years. 
Look at the count of independent competitive providers by count 10 -15 years 
ago vs today . 

The larger they grow, the more in-significant we all become in th

Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment

[Lewis Bergman]

I agree.  His buddy could have held a bigger mirror though.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, 6:00 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i see why he climbs alone though, any douchebag who runs his hand through
> his hair that many times would get pushed into the pipe
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, it's pretty wide, but I think I could do it as long as there was no
> wind... I'd at least sit on it, after climbing all the way up there. I
> definitely would skip the selfie stick though.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> It would take me some time to get used to it, provided there was no wind.
> But I think I could walk from lightning rod to lightning rod, but not while
> holding a selfie stick.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:10 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> I'm not sure I would walk around that, but it really didn't seem that bad
> to me...
> Looks like it would be kind of an enjoyable climb.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> That kind of stuff induces a moderate sense of euphoria in me.
> Same as watching a Warren Miller ski movie.  Totally relaxing.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> Even a fat kid like me can climb an enclosed ladder and take a break
> every so often on one of those platforms.
>
> ...but yeah waving the selfie stick around while standing on top made my
> stomach turn.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/19/2016 9:14:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 360 meter smokestack climb no safety equipment
>
> I wonder how many of these clowns fall.
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> I know there are tons of these on the web, this one gives me vertigo at
> the end watching him walk around the edge (holding a selfie stick no
> less).  Seriously, I can�t watch, I have to stop the video.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-85lyn17wxo
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13611 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?  I
just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans a
RJ45 Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Justin Wilson]

PC or Mac? I am assuming PC.

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1482202404&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet
 

If it has usb 3.0.

If not, just look at the other trend net stuff.  been solid for a couple of 
folks I know.




Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?  I 
> just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans a RJ45 
> Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same? 
> 
> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, sorry, PC.  I've had decent luck with Trendnet stuff in the past as
well.  Thanks.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> PC or Mac? I am assuming PC.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/
> B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1482202404&sr=8-3&
> keywords=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet
> If it has usb 3.0.
>
> If not, just look at the other trend net stuff.  been solid for a couple
> of folks I know.
>
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?  I
> just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans a
> RJ45 Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same?
>
> -Jason
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[George Skorup]

I've had good luck with Plugable. I have a micro-USB OTG 10/100 version 
for my tablet. Plugged in and detected by W10, worked near instantly. No 
driver crap.


https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Gigabit-Ethernet-Network-Adapter/dp/B00AQM8586/

This also looks pretty neat.
https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Gigabit-Ethernet-backwards-compatibility/dp/B00M7MYFAU/

On 12/19/2016 8:56 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, sorry, PC.  I've had decent luck with Trendnet stuff in the past 
as well.  Thanks.



On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Justin Wilson > wrote:


PC or Mac? I am assuming PC.


https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1482202404&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet


If it has usb 3.0.

If not, just look at the other trend net stuff.  been solid for a
couple of folks I know.




Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric


On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for
them?  I just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had
that came sans a RJ45 Ethernet port. Are they all basically the
same?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Ken Hohhof]

I went to Best Buy and just got their house brand:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-3-0-to-gigabit-ethernet-adapter-white/3510527.p?skuId=3510527

 

It has been perfect, I can’t think of anything negative to say about it.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

 

Yeah, sorry, PC.  I've had decent luck with Trendnet stuff in the past as well. 
 Thanks.

 

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Justin Wilson mailto:li...@mtin.net> > wrote:

PC or Mac? I am assuming PC.

 

https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Ethernet-Chromebook-Specific-TU3-ETG/dp/B00FFJ0RKE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8
 

 &qid=1482202404&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+to+ethernet+trendnet

If it has usb 3.0.

 

If not, just look at the other trend net stuff.  been solid for a couple of 
folks I know.

 

 

 

 

Justin Wilson

j...@mtin.net  

 

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO

xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

 

On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

 

Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?  I just 
got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans a RJ45 
Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same? 

 

-Jason

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/19/16 6:50 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?
I just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans
a RJ45 Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same?




I've been using Startech. It had VLAN support which was important to me 
and not all of them did.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] USB to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

[Jason McKemie]

Good point, VLAN support would be very nice.

On Monday, December 19, 2016, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 12/19/16 6:50 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a recommendation on one that has worked well for them?
>> I just got a new laptop, and it is the first one I've had that came sans
>> a RJ45 Ethernet port. Are they all basically the same?
>>
>>
>
> I've been using Startech. It had VLAN support which was important to me
> and not all of them did.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Travis Johnson]

Chuck,

Not sure how you are calculating your 16% return... that fund has done 
worse than the S&P 500 over the last year, last 5 years and last 10 years???


The S&P has done 12% over the last 1 year, 13.4% over 5 years and 4.73% 
over the last 10 years... and your index fund is worse than that 
according to the charts I just looked up.


Travis


On 12/19/2016 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

fusvx
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
Please do share

On 12/19/16, 4:14 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Travis Johnson
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
>
>Hi,
>
>After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
>jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
>paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
>earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
>
>Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Josh Luthman]

Well I trust Paul's picture would be legit.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Have you heard of Photoshop?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
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> I have faith, I just want to see it!!!
>
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>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
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> Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
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> I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)
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> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
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> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
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> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>
>
>
> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
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> Any 900 APs?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
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> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
> plenty too
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley"  mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
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>All SMs?
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>SmarterBroadband wrote:
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>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
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>5700
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>P10 Qty 41   $25
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>P11 Qty 72   $30
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>2400
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>P9   Qty 21   $25
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>P10 Qty 163 $30
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>900
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>P9   Qty 43   $30
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>P10 Qty 96   $35
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>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
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>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
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>You pay shipping.
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>May consider offers for large quantities.
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>Adam
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>No virus found in this message.
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>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
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>Date: 12/15/16
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> No virus found in this message.
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy

[Cameron Crum]

Maybe he is counting his dividend + the gain in stock price?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Not sure how you are calculating your 16% return... that fund has done
> worse than the S&P 500 over the last year, last 5 years and last 10 years???
>
> The S&P has done 12% over the last 1 year, 13.4% over 5 years and 4.73%
> over the last 10 years... and your index fund is worse than that according
> to the charts I just looked up.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 12/19/2016 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> fusvx
> �
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
> �
> Please do share
>
> On 12/19/16, 4:14 PM, "Af on behalf of Chuck McCown" 
> �
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
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> >I dunno, I have most of my stuff in an index that has paid 16% so far.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Travis Johnson
> >Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 1:11 PM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: [AFMUG] OT: VZ Buy
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >After reading more about Warren Buffet and his current holdings, I
> >jumped into Verizon stock last week (VZ). I didn't realize they were
> >paying a 4.45% dividend... it's worth just parking money there and
> >earning the 4.45% return, even if the stock never moves. :)
> >
> >Travis
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

its like a million dollars, i know it exists, but i still want to see it,
im not calling the bank a liar

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well I trust Paul's picture would be legit.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Have you heard of Photoshop?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 4:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>>
>>
>>
>> I have faith, I just want to see it!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Ye of little faith Josh J  will send offlist
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
>> Lists
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall generally has stock.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>>
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>>
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any 900 APs?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have
>> plenty too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" > mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>All SMs?
>>
>>
>>
>>SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>We have used Canopy FSK for sale;
>>
>>
>>
>>5700
>>
>>
>>
>>P10 Qty 41   $25
>>
>>
>>
>>P11 Qty 72   $30
>>
>>
>>
>>2400
>>
>>
>>
>>P9   Qty 21   $25
>>
>>
>>
>>P10 Qty 163 $30
>>
>>
>>
>>900
>>
>>
>>
>>P9   Qty 43   $30
>>
>>
>>
>>P10 Qty 96   $35
>>
>>
>>
>>All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.
>>
>>
>>
>>Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.
>>
>>
>>
>>You pay shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>>May consider offers for large quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>
>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13599 - Release
>>
>>Date: 12/15/16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>
>> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13610 - Release Date: 12/18/16
>>
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