date:20170405

So just max out the wireless equipment between the routers, but make sure
either end is less than the radios?  As far as I can tell from looking
around in forums, Ubiquiti will do 2024.  I'm not sure what a Ceragon
IP-20C will do, or where this setting is located in the interface.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> I always suggest you max out all your MTUs.  MTU sizes have to match on
> both sides of a MPLS tunnel as well.
> It’s always nice to have equal or greater MTU available in between those
> two end points. 9200+ bytes or bust!  :)
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
> Thanks.
>
> So I want to set my Layer2 MTU on the Mikrotik Interface to something
> greater than 1530, then the MTU on the interface to something greater than
> 1530, but less than I have the Layer2 MTU set to?  Then just set the MPLS
> MTU to 1530?  Is there any rule of thumb for the gap between all of these?
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> My MTU on all MPLS stuff is set for over 9000 so I can do jumbo.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you don’t want fragmentation or problems, your native MTU on layer2
>> needs to be larger probably.
>>
>> Then the next layer up a bit smaller, and so on so that you can again
>> pass layer2 over the MPLS network at 1530.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to have
>> issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will that
>> cause issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links with
>> 1530 byte packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop working.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

The two modem cores on one transceiver makes me think it may use something
like xpic.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> What I got out of this is that it didn’t need XPic, it did it on the same
> polarity or am I missing that?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike
> Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity
> Microwave Radio Ever?
>
>
>
> I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do it
> most of the time.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity
> MicrowaveRadio Ever?
>
> To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's
> cool to use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK
> modulation. Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan
> microwave channel is a big more of a challenge.
>
> But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if
> you look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at
> 4096QAM vs 1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or
> -62 to be at 1024QAM.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM,  > wrote:
>
> What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios
> out there.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
> From: "Rory Conaway"  >
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio
> Ever?
>
> WTM 4000
>
> http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=
> 4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb87413163
> 57=334=1
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542]
> r...@triadwireless.net
> [mailto:
> r...@triadwireless.net
> ]
> www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]
>
>
> “First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

With ACM, hell, I'll take 65536 QAM. 

It won't be worse than you had before and will give you more most of the time. 

How WISPs (mine included) engineer routing is a joke anyway in an RF 
environment. We need platforms (other than defunct Performant) to auto-adapt to 
the changing environment. One of the big vendors out there was talking about 
OpenFlow being on their product's roadmap to influence traffic engineering. 
That was a while ago, so the sands may have shifted. I don't think MT has 
touched their OpenFlow package since they built it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 7:28:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 



Not really wrong, it just takes different thinking than microwave design 5 or 7 
years ago. I can see 4096QAM being very useful for short distance high capacity 
18 and 23 GHz PTP that are paths too long for 80 GHz. 

But "most of the time" can be two or three nines, while it will actually be 
1024QAM or better at five nines. 

Used in an IP network between routers the OSPF configuration and network 
topology has to be designed with the understanding that a link might only have 
12dB of fade margin before it's no longer full data rate. For example if a link 
when properly aimed on a clear sunny day is at -37, and it needs -49 to operate 
at 4096QAM. 


That's a lot less fade margin between -37 and "no longer runs at full speed", 
when you compare to a 1024QAM 5/6 code rate link that might also be aimed 
properly at -37, and no longer be full speed when the RSL reaches -62. 





On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do it most 
of the time. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 



To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's cool to 
use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK modulation. 
Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan microwave channel is 
a big more of a challenge. 

But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if you 
look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at 4096QAM vs 
1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or -62 to be at 
1024QAM. 





On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM, < fiber...@mail.com > wrote: 




What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there. 

Jared 



Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 
From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 

WTM 4000 

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542] 
r...@triadwireless.net [mailto: r...@triadwireless.net ] 
www.triadwireless.net [ http://www.triadwireless.net/ ] 



“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns?

2017-04-05 Thread Paul Stewart

Very correct….  run across this often on a mid/large scale where CDN traffic 
getting served from a different country in a lot of cases because folks are 
using public DNS servers vs directly on-net


> On Mar 30, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Until they throttle your DNS traffic...  or worse.
> 
> Also, having off-net DNS resolvers means you're potentially not being served 
> by the best CDN nodes for your network. That makes the performance of much of 
> the Internet shit.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Jon Langeler"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:04:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns?
> 
> On the flip side. It's tough to beat the reliability of a DNS server managed 
> by a mega billion $$ company with specialized IT guys babysitting everything. 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
> > On Mar 30, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Dennis Burgess  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Why you should have your own DNS servers :)  
> > 
> > 
> > Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
> > MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
> > 
> > For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
> > 
> > Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
> >  
> > Office: 314-735-0270
> > E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net  
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> > Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:19 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] anybody else having issues with google dns?
> > 
> > Is anybody else having issues with google dns? because when I ping 8.8.8.8 
> > I get timedout or takes forever to load google.com 
> > 
> > 
> >

Re: [AFMUG] VDSL question

2017-04-05 Thread Paul Stewart

Calix or Adtran ….

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Awesome sauce, thanks!
> 
> Anyone have a recommendation for a VDSL dslam? =)
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:19 PM, > 
> wrote:
> VDSL modems are standards based and should work with other dslams. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman <>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 12:16 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] VDSL question
>  
> I've had an old old old Zyxel VES 1000 dslam that I inherited from the 
> building.  How interchangeable are dslam and vdsl modems?  I just pulled up 
> my last spare and the replacement looks to be $1900 on ebay.
>  
> All 12 ports are mode "10baseS".  They have various up/down rates.  I think 
> we have Zyxel and SMC VDSL modems through out the customer base.
> 
> Can I just get any VDSL dslam and expect it to work?
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Not really wrong, it just takes different thinking than microwave design 5
or 7 years ago. I can see 4096QAM being very useful for short distance high
capacity 18 and 23 GHz PTP that are paths too long for 80 GHz.

But "most of the time" can be two or three nines, while it will actually be
1024QAM or better at five nines.

Used in an IP network between routers the OSPF configuration and network
topology has to be designed with the understanding that a link might only
have 12dB of fade margin before it's no longer full data rate. For example
if a link when properly aimed on a clear sunny day is at -37, and it needs
-49 to operate at 4096QAM.

That's a *lot* less fade margin between -37 and "no longer runs at full
speed", when you compare to a 1024QAM 5/6 code rate link that might also be
aimed properly at -37, and no longer be full speed when the RSL reaches -62.



On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do it
> most of the time.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity
> MicrowaveRadio Ever?
>
> To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's
> cool to use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK
> modulation. Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan
> microwave channel is a big more of a challenge.
>
> But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if
> you look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at
> 4096QAM vs 1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or
> -62 to be at 1024QAM.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM,  wrote:
>
>> What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios
>> out there.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
>> From: "Rory Conaway" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave
>> Radio Ever?
>>
>> WTM 4000
>>
>> http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=
>> 4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb87413163
>> 57=334=1
>>
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>> 602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542]
>> r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
>> www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]
>>
>> “First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit LTE: Crazy-fast wireless speeds, explained - CNET

256 QAM explaination was weird

On Apr 5, 2017 5:37 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Yeap that’s about it, he got it a bit wrong on Carrier Aggregation, its
> using  all three lanes at the same time…
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:32 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit LTE: Crazy-fast wireless speeds, explained - CNET
>
> So what is  your take on this?
>
>
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/gigabit-lte-crazy-fast-
> wireless-speeds-explained/
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit LTE: Crazy-fast wireless speeds, explained - CNET

2017-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini

Yeap that’s about it, he got it a bit wrong on Carrier Aggregation, its using  
all three lanes at the same time…

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:32 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit LTE: Crazy-fast wireless speeds, explained - CNET

So what is  your take on this?


https://www.cnet.com/how-to/gigabit-lte-crazy-fast-wireless-speeds-explained/



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

[AFMUG] Gigabit LTE: Crazy-fast wireless speeds, explained - CNET

So what is  your take on this?


https://www.cnet.com/how-to/gigabit-lte-crazy-fast-wireless-speeds-explained/

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread Rory Conaway

What I got out of this is that it didn’t need XPic, it did it on the same 
polarity or am I missing that?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever?

I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do it most 
of the time.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Eric Kuhnke" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave
Radio Ever?
To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's cool to 
use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK modulation. 
Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan microwave channel is 
a big more of a challenge.
But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if you 
look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at 4096QAM vs 
1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or -62 to be at 
1024QAM.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM, > 
wrote:
What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there.

Jared

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

WTM 4000

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542]
r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

I don't see anything wrong with that. The product can do it and will do it most 
of the time. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:53:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 



To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's cool to 
use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK modulation. 
Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan microwave channel is 
a big more of a challenge. 

But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if you 
look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at 4096QAM vs 
1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or -62 to be at 
1024QAM. 





On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM, < fiber...@mail.com > wrote: 


What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there. 

Jared 



Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 
From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 

WTM 4000 

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542] 
r...@triadwireless.net [mailto: r...@triadwireless.net ] 
www.triadwireless.net [ http://www.triadwireless.net/ ] 



“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread Eric Kuhnke

To be pedantic they said microwave, not millimeter wave. In 80 GHz it's
cool to use things like 1000/2000 MHz wide FDD channel band plan and QPSK
modulation. Squeezing a lot of data into a 2 x 112 MHz ETSI band plan
microwave channel is a big more of a challenge.

But I think it's silly to advertise things at their 4096QAM capacities, if
you look at the RSL thresholds that are required to actually operate at
4096QAM vs 1024QAM. Like, you need -48 to actually be in 4096, maybe -61 or
-62 to be at 1024QAM.



On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:54 PM,  wrote:

> What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios
> out there.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio
> Ever?
>
> WTM 4000
>
> http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=
> 4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb87413163
> 57=334=1
>
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542]
> r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
> www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]
>
> “First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread Hardy, Tim

The ad says 2.5 Gbps - ETSI has 112 MHz bandwidths and the chips they are using 
will take full advantage of this bandwidth with modulations up to 4096 QAM.  I 
think it takes XPIC (CCDP) to get 2.5 Gbps.  Data sheets are available for the 
ETSI version of this radio.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever?

What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there. 

Jared

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

WTM 4000

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542] 
r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Alex Trebek had some radio spots for Jeopardy where he was quoting Jesse 
Pinkman.


"Gonna make some mad cheddar Yo. Fat stacks"

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Which lead me into the breaking bad gag reels...SQUIRREL!!!

On 04/05/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZNVGpuQ7o


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I believe scientifically not wearing a bra is better.  I feel non
scientifically not wearing a bra is better.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
it...

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Animal Farm

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe


Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long
dress with slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.




Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Robert Andrews


Which lead me into the breaking bad gag reels...SQUIRREL!!!

On 04/05/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZNVGpuQ7o


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I believe scientifically not wearing a bra is better.  I feel non
scientifically not wearing a bra is better.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
it...

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Animal Farm

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe


Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long
dress with slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.




Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Big thumbs up!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZNVGpuQ7o
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe
>
> I believe scientifically not wearing a bra is better.  I feel non
> scientifically not wearing a bra is better.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
> wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
> thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
> it...
>
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: Animal Farm
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe
>
>
> Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long dress
> with slit up to hip.
>
> On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
> menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.
>
>
>
>
> Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

millimeter wave vs. microwave ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:54:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 

What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there. 

Jared 



Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 
From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 

WTM 4000 

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542] 
r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net] 
www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/] 

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

2017-04-05 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

I always suggest you max out all your MTUs.  MTU sizes have to match on both 
sides of a MPLS tunnel as well.
It’s always nice to have equal or greater MTU available in between those two 
end points. 9200+ bytes or bust!  :)


> On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> So I want to set my Layer2 MTU on the Mikrotik Interface to something greater 
> than 1530, then the MTU on the interface to something greater than 1530, but 
> less than I have the Layer2 MTU set to?  Then just set the MPLS MTU to 1530?  
> Is there any rule of thumb for the gap between all of these?
> 
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
> My MTU on all MPLS stuff is set for over 9000 so I can do jumbo.
> 
>  
> 
> If you don’t want fragmentation or problems, your native MTU on layer2 needs 
> to be larger probably.
> 
> Then the next layer up a bit smaller, and so on so that you can again pass 
> layer2 over the MPLS network at 1530.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU
> 
>  
> 
> What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to have 
> issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will that 
> cause issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links with 1530 
> byte packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop working. 
> 
>  
> 
> -Jason
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread fiberrun

What alternative reality is this ad from? There are a few 10 Gbps radios out 
there. 

Jared

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

WTM 4000

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542[tel:602-426-0542]
r...@triadwireless.net[mailto:r...@triadwireless.net]
www.triadwireless.net[http://www.triadwireless.net/]

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

Aviat, in general. Used to be Harris, IIRC. I don't recall it being anything 
earth shattering. I think comparable products are on the market. I would love 
to be corrected and this is something magic. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:33:22 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio 
Ever? 



WTM 4000 

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1
 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

The brand is well used by the larger carriers, you'll probably be adding
zeros to the check though...

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> WTM 4000
>
> http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=
> 4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb87413163
> 57=334=1
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

Thanks.

So I want to set my Layer2 MTU on the Mikrotik Interface to something
greater than 1530, then the MTU on the interface to something greater than
1530, but less than I have the Layer2 MTU set to?  Then just set the MPLS
MTU to 1530?  Is there any rule of thumb for the gap between all of these?

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> My MTU on all MPLS stuff is set for over 9000 so I can do jumbo.
>
>
>
> If you don’t want fragmentation or problems, your native MTU on layer2
> needs to be larger probably.
>
> Then the next layer up a bit smaller, and so on so that you can again pass
> layer2 over the MPLS network at 1530.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU
>
>
>
> What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to have
> issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will that
> cause issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links with
> 1530 byte packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop working.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>

[AFMUG] Anyone familiar with the highest capacity Microwave Radio Ever?

2017-04-05 Thread Rory Conaway

WTM 4000

http://s214106484.t.en25.com/e/es?s=214106484=2613=4956d41eca78444a9dd67ae96217210b=ec8b41f8c57a4a11b26adb8741316357=334=1

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count." - Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

2017-04-05 Thread Sterling Jacobson

My MTU on all MPLS stuff is set for over 9000 so I can do jumbo.

If you don’t want fragmentation or problems, your native MTU on layer2 needs to 
be larger probably.
Then the next layer up a bit smaller, and so on so that you can again pass 
layer2 over the MPLS network at 1530.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to have 
issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will that cause 
issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links with 1530 byte 
packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop working.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber opticproject- KVIA

They owe you.  I would file a lawsuit in small claims court.  They have to 
restore you to original condition or better.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber opticproject- 
KVIA

In my case it wasn't the construction. It was the cleanup. When I got fiber 
plowed to my house the crew left holes unfilled, caution tape flapping in the 
wind, caved in part of the easement with backhoe and crushed some landscaping 
bricks. They left with no intention on cleaning up the mess. This was the same 
story all over the neighborhood.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  In most states, the law is pretty clearly defined.  If they call for a 
locate, and the marks are off, the locate company pays.  If the marks are 
accurate the excavator pays.  If they don’t call, the excavator pays.  

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:36 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA

  Yeah, I'm in full agreement with legitimate issues like when a locator or 
contractor screws up, such as boring through a sewer line. If it was my house, 
they're gonna pay for it.. or else.

  On 4/5/2017 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Assuming the other utility correctly locates their own plant.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
project- KVIA

Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route 
looking at the types of soils etc.  Sometimes they even pothole to make sure 
what is under the surface.  All underground utilities are located during design 
time and then located again prior to construction.  This is not difficult to do 
right. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic 
project- KVIA

Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when 
unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a tower 
base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a water/gas/sewer/etc...If 
you or someone didn't check it out before it could be a project stopper...I 
don't know if  contractors or AT hired a survey company to analyze 
conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this list do before they 
start building out .From experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we 
get drawings and studies done way before we start by engineering firms.   We 
attend meetings where all these items are discussed.  I imagine you guys do 
your homework ...It just makes business sense. 

On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I 
want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want cable, 
I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting 921Mbps. I'm 
paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!

  Over-privileged first-world fucks. 

  On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this 
area.

http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-up-with-att-fiber-optic-project/433306313

[AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to have
issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will that
cause issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links with
1530 byte packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop working.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

2017-04-05 Thread Eric Muehleisen

In my case it wasn't the construction. It was the cleanup. When I got fiber
plowed to my house the crew left holes unfilled, caution tape flapping in
the wind, caved in part of the easement with backhoe and crushed some
landscaping bricks. They left with no intention on cleaning up the mess.
This was the same story all over the neighborhood.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> In most states, the law is pretty clearly defined.  If they call for a
> locate, and the marks are off, the locate company pays.  If the marks are
> accurate the excavator pays.  If they don’t call, the excavator pays.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
> project- KVIA
>
> Yeah, I'm in full agreement with legitimate issues like when a locator or
> contractor screws up, such as boring through a sewer line. If it was my
> house, they're gonna pay for it.. or else.
>
> On 4/5/2017 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Assuming the other utility correctly locates their own plant.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber
> opticproject- KVIA
>
> Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route
> looking at the types of soils etc.  Sometimes they even pothole to make
> sure what is under the surface.  All underground utilities are located
> during design time and then located again prior to construction.  This is
> not difficult to do right.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
> project- KVIA
>
> Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when
> unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a
> tower base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a
> water/gas/sewer/etc...If you or someone didn't check it out before it could
> be a project stopper...I don't know if  contractors or AT hired a survey
> company to analyze conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this
> list do before they start building out .From experience, when we build
> out SCADA projects, we get drawings and studies done way before we start by
> engineering firms.   We attend meetings where all these items are
> discussed.  I imagine you guys do your homework ...It just makes business
> sense.
>
> On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I
> want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want
> cable, I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting
> 921Mbps. I'm paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!
>
> Over-privileged first-world fucks.
>
>
> On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this
>> area.
>>
>>
>> http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-
>> up-with-att-fiber-optic-project/433306313
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZNVGpuQ7o

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I believe scientifically not wearing a bra is better.  I feel non 
scientifically not wearing a bra is better.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided 
wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra 
thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for 
it...

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Animal Farm

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long dress 
with slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.

Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I believe scientifically not wearing a bra is better.  I feel non
scientifically not wearing a bra is better.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
> wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
> thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
> it...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe
>
> Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long dress
> with slit up to hip.
>
> On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
> menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.
>
>
>
>
> Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

and yes, we also had biki clad women selling Hot Dogs from a Hot Dog cart in 
the industrial area of town !

Not quite sure what happened to them..


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Robert Andrews" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 2:10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

> https://www.legendaryspeed.com/bikini-carwash-helps-raise-funds-autism/
> 
> On 04/05/2017 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
>> wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
>> thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
>> it...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe
>>
>> Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long
>> dress with slit up to hip.
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>> __
>> I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
>> menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Robert Andrews



https://www.legendaryspeed.com/bikini-carwash-helps-raise-funds-autism/

On 04/05/2017 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided
wearing bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra
thing represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for
it...

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long
dress with slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

__
I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.




Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

LOL

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2017 1:26:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Last tobacco in my life (except for one single event) was in the summer 
of 1982, 35 years ago.  And I still have dreams of chewing and smoking.

I think drugs can modify  your fpga.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:24 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.

Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

In most states, the law is pretty clearly defined.  If they call for a locate, 
and the marks are off, the locate company pays.  If the marks are accurate the 
excavator pays.  If they don’t call, the excavator pays.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA

Yeah, I'm in full agreement with legitimate issues like when a locator or 
contractor screws up, such as boring through a sewer line. If it was my house, 
they're gonna pay for it.. or else.

On 4/5/2017 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  Assuming the other utility correctly locates their own plant.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
project- KVIA

  Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route 
looking at the types of soils etc.  Sometimes they even pothole to make sure 
what is under the surface.  All underground utilities are located during design 
time and then located again prior to construction.  This is not difficult to do 
right. 

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA

  Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when 
unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a tower 
base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a water/gas/sewer/etc...If 
you or someone didn't check it out before it could be a project stopper...I 
don't know if  contractors or AT hired a survey company to analyze 
conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this list do before they 
start building out .From experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we 
get drawings and studies done way before we start by engineering firms.   We 
attend meetings where all these items are discussed.  I imagine you guys do 
your homework ...It just makes business sense. 

  On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I 
want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want cable, 
I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting 921Mbps. I'm 
paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!

Over-privileged first-world fucks. 

On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this 
area.

http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-up-with-att-fiber-optic-project/433306313

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

2017-04-05 Thread George Skorup

Yeah, I'm in full agreement with legitimate issues like when a locator
or contractor screws up, such as boring through a sewer line. If it was
my house, they're gonna pay for it.. or else.

On 4/5/2017 10:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Assuming the other utility correctly locates their own plant.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27:09 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber
opticproject- KVIA

Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole
route looking at the types of soils etc. Sometimes they even pothole
to make sure what is under the surface. All underground utilities are
located during design time and then located again prior to
construction. This is not difficult to do right.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
project- KVIA
Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber
when unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to
erect a tower base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a
water/gas/sewer/etc...If you or someone didn't check it out before it
could be a project stopper...I don't know if contractors or AT
hired a survey company to analyze conditions. I wonder what some of
the FTTH guys on this list do before they start building out .From
experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we get drawings and
studies done way before we start by engineering firms. We attend
meetings where all these items are discussed. I imagine you guys do
your homework ...It just makes business sense.

On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup" wrote:

Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh,
and I want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard?
I don't want cable, I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now
I'm only getting 921Mbps. I'm paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!

Over-privileged first-world fucks.

On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Ah? Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close
to this area.

http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-up-with-att-fiber-optic-project/433306313

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

And there was a delightful chunk of time during which the women decided wearing 
bras was bad ... I really don’t know what the whole burn the bra thing 
represented... something about women’s rights.  But I was all for it...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long dress with 
slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

  I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
  menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.

Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Hippies were the 60s mostly...Mini skirt ..Rocker and Disco ...Long dress
with slit up to hip.

On Apr 5, 2017 11:24 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.



Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Last tobacco in my life (except for one single event) was in the summer of 
1982, 35 years ago.  And I still have dreams of chewing and smoking.  
I think drugs can modify  your fpga.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.

  Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe


I quit smoking years ago.and I *still* want a damn cigarette.
menthol sucked.  Gimme a Camel.  Turkish and domestic blend.  M.




Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

2017-04-05 Thread George Skorup

I have used several of these: http://www.fs.com/products/20036.html Pay 
attention to the 10/100/1000. There are 1G only copper RJ45 SFPs. 
Baltic/Maxxwave being one. The MikroTik S-RJ01 is 10/100/1000. Pretty 
sure it's identical to the one from FiberStore. All depends on the SFP 
slot you put it in. Some won't work at 100, 1G only, including 
MikroTik's own stuff. I know they work at 100FDX in all of the SFP slots 
on a CCR1016-12S-1S+ (obviously not the SFP+ slot). Tried some in a 
Planet MGSW-28240F. Did not work. That was before they fixed the 
software to support 100Base SFPs though. The pessimist in me says it 
probably still doesn't work.

On 4/5/2017 10:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I was warned the Mikrotik SFPs do not work in some things, which could 
become a problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Neal 
> wrote:

S-RJ01 is a Mikrotik Copper SFP.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

Well I guess it doesn't like boxes or something

http://www.fs.com/products/37762.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

That's just a search...

I've been using these for a bit and were recommended for
MT + Netonix

  * 1M LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex 2.0mm PVC(OFNR) 9/125
Single Mode Fiber Patch Cable

  * Generic Compatible 1000BASE-SX SFP 1310nm 2km DOM

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Paul McCall
> wrote:

Anybody used these…. Or a better alternative?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=sfp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965=price-asc-rank

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

-- 
*Kevin Neal

*Project Manager
Northwest DataCom

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

In the 1970s, when women dressed to attract attention, the men did not get 
chastised when they gave attention.  
Girls teased, and the guys loved it.  Tube tops.  Halter tops.  String Bikinis. 
 Skip class to go to the lake.  Skinny dipping.  

Political debates were not held is safe zones.  Young people were robust.  They 
did not get butt hurt about every little thing.  

We built our own explosives and used them for amusement.  

Genders were clearly defined, men, women, fags and lesbians.  We secretly 
thought that lesbians were really overweight unattractive hetro girls that used 
the lesbian tag to take the pressure off.  Men and fags used the men’s room.  
Simple. 

The world was simple.  USSR == Bad

Smoking was good.  Especially menthol.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

>>> in our superpluralistic enlightened society, morality is an artifact of the 
>>> dark ages...


I have a distinct impression that above statement has been made by folks at 
every stage of time since the beginning of time


There are forces that create the push pull.. I most certainly cannot and do not 
condone all behavior.. 


While I was not around in the USA during the 70's ... I have to ask  how much 
different is today's behavior vs the the 'hippie' era  of Sex, Drugs and Rock 
and  Roll


I think when one looks back to that time one might realize that today we are 
having the same reaction that our parents were having during that era ?


Regards


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:18:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT  I won a point ... maybe

  Yeahbut, in our superpluralistic enlightened society, morality is an artifact 
of the dark ages...

  From: Faisal Imtiaz

  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

  I am seeing more and more of these issues that have a 'context' to them, 
taken out of context the sound ridiculous..


  I will give you two very specific examples...


  Lots of the ladies in my family wear the Hijab (Dress code for Muslim Women, 
have to cover all parts of their bodies in non-revealing clothes, and a Head 
Scarf. not to be confused with the 'Niqab' = face covering).


  They often get stares and sometime dirty looks (and some quiet or loud 
mumbling), many times empathetic looks and questions.. The type of response is 
more related to the environment. there are cities in the USA where such 
dress code does will not get them 2nd looks from anyone around..


  Now taking this particular lady's comment.. if she desires to go naked... 
well if she does so on Miami Beach, she might not even get 2nd looks.. but if 
she decides to do that in the middle of town that would a whole different 
story...


  What is the proper answer ? I don't know.. but  I do agree with a 'lack' of 
recognition or a challenge of the status quo... that there is a connection 
between certain kind of behavior and the action/reaction it invites which is 
greatly dependent on the environment.


  Personally I think this is all related to Morality, and how each one of us 
understands it or perceives it..and yes it has been on slippery slopes for a 
long time..


  Regards


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:53:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT  I won a point ... maybe

Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted 
and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not animals, they can 
choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens to be a computer 
science undergrad at the University of Utah.

I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.

The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
take over too much of the time.

And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

Was it a 1000 adapter instead of a 10/100/1000 adapter? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:32:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs 


We had a problem at a customer site where only 4 wires for FE where available. 
The MT SFP did not sync ethernet. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
Von: Josh Luthman  
Datum: 05.04.17 17:24 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

>>> in our superpluralistic enlightened society, morality is an artifact of the 
>>> dark ages... 

I have a distinct impression that above statement has been made by folks at 
every stage of time since the beginning of time 

There are forces that create the push pull.. I most certainly cannot and do not 
condone all behavior.. 

While I was not around in the USA during the 70's ... I have to ask how much 
different is today's behavior vs the the 'hippie' era of Sex, Drugs and Rock 
and Roll 

I think when one looks back to that time one might realize that today we are 
having the same reaction that our parents were having during that era ? 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:18:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

> Yeahbut, in our superpluralistic enlightened society, morality is an artifact 
> of
> the dark ages...
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:14 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe
> I am seeing more and more of these issues that have a 'context' to them, taken
> out of context the sound ridiculous..
> I will give you two very specific examples...
> Lots of the ladies in my family wear the Hijab (Dress code for Muslim Women,
> have to cover all parts of their bodies in non-revealing clothes, and a Head
> Scarf. not to be confused with the 'Niqab' = face covering).
> They often get stares and sometime dirty looks (and some quiet or loud
> mumbling), many times empathetic looks and questions.. The type of response is
> more related to the environment. there are cities in the USA where such
> dress code does will not get them 2nd looks from anyone around..
> Now taking this particular lady's comment.. if she desires to go naked... well
> if she does so on Miami Beach, she might not even get 2nd looks.. but if she
> decides to do that in the middle of town that would a whole different story...
> What is the proper answer ? I don't know.. but I do agree with a 'lack' of
> recognition or a challenge of the status quo... that there is a connection
> between certain kind of behavior and the action/reaction it invites which is
> greatly dependent on the environment.
> Personally I think this is all related to Morality, and how each one of us
> understands it or perceives it..and yes it has been on slippery slopes for a
> long time..
> Regards
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:53:33 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

>> Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
>> attention.
>> One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me. I trolled and
>> baited her a bit. It devolved a bit to the point where she said even if she
>> chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted and not
>> receive any attention from anyone. “People are not animals, they can choose 
>> to
>> control their behaviors” she said. She happens to be a computer science
>> undergrad at the University of Utah.
>> I told her I disagree. I told her that we are a meat robot. Our operating
>> system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and
>> sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.
>> The human element is the app. I run Chuck 1.0
>> Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself. But some apps let the OS 
>> take
>> over too much of the time.
>> And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
>> triggers
>> a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run the 
>> “screw
>> the girl” routine in BIOS.
>> She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
>> brow
>> and told me that I might be on to something. Then walked away.
>> I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

2017-04-05 Thread Stefan Englhardt



We had a problem at a customer site where only 4 wires for FE where available. 
The MT SFP did not sync ethernet.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman  
Datum: 05.04.17  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I would say that the underlying machine shares the same OS and BIOS as all 
mammals.  So you can’t really blame the meat robot.  

Now as far as the ap working correctly, “correctly” is the spec that nobody 
seems to agree on.  

Standards based “correctly” used to be administered by religions & tribes.  

My app loosely complies with the following standard:  jail break version of 
Mormon 253.2 release 7 build 2.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

My wife read your postshe says you didn't take the analogy far enough. 

If the underlying machine is misbehaving, we would debug it and flash the BIOS, 
or get a new machine.
If the application isn't working correctly, we'd patch it.  If the problem 
isn't fixable we'd delete the app and get a different one.

We wouldn't want Chuck 1.0 to be deleted.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2017 11:53:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

  Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted 
and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not animals, they can 
choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens to be a computer 
science undergrad at the University of Utah.  

  I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.  

  The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0  
  Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
take over too much of the time.  

  And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.  

  She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.  

  I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

My wife read your postshe says you didn't take the analogy far 
enough.


If the underlying machine is misbehaving, we would debug it and flash 
the BIOS, or get a new machine.
If the application isn't working correctly, we'd patch it.  If the 
problem isn't fixable we'd delete the app and get a different one.


We wouldn't want Chuck 1.0 to be deleted.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/5/2017 11:53:33 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with 
me.  I trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point 
where she said even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the 
right to be unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone.  
“People are not animals, they can choose to control their behaviors” 
she said.  She happens to be a computer science undergrad at the 
University of Utah.


I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our 
operating system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, 
screw and sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating 
partners.


The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the 
OS take over too much of the time.


And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts 
to run the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.


She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed 
her brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked 
away.


I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Just as long as it is fun getting the virus.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

That young woman is now off designing her BIOS level virus for Chuck 1.0
OS...

On 4/5/17 9:03 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

Well you didnï¿½t get accused of being a misogynist, rapist and a member
of the patriarchyï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½. so, winning!

On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with
me.  I trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point
where she said even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has
the right to be unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone.
ï¿½People are not animals, they can choose to control their behaviorsï¿½
she said.  She happens to be a computer science undergrad at the
University of Utah.

I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our
operating system, which I call ï¿½natural manï¿½ just wants to eat, 
sleep,

screw and sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating
partners.

The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let
the OS take over too much of the time.

And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way
always triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always
attempts to run the ï¿½screw the girlï¿½ routine in BIOS.

She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed
her brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.

I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Yeahbut, in our superpluralistic enlightened society, morality is an artifact 
of the dark ages...

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

I am seeing more and more of these issues that have a 'context' to them, taken 
out of context the sound ridiculous..

I will give you two very specific examples...

Lots of the ladies in my family wear the Hijab (Dress code for Muslim Women, 
have to cover all parts of their bodies in non-revealing clothes, and a Head 
Scarf. not to be confused with the 'Niqab' = face covering).

They often get stares and sometime dirty looks (and some quiet or loud 
mumbling), many times empathetic looks and questions.. The type of response is 
more related to the environment. there are cities in the USA where such 
dress code does will not get them 2nd looks from anyone around..

Now taking this particular lady's comment.. if she desires to go naked... well 
if she does so on Miami Beach, she might not even get 2nd looks.. but if she 
decides to do that in the middle of town that would a whole different story...

What is the proper answer ? I don't know.. but  I do agree with a 'lack' of 
recognition or a challenge of the status quo... that there is a connection 
between certain kind of behavior and the action/reaction it invites which is 
greatly dependent on the environment.

Personally I think this is all related to Morality, and how each one of us 
understands it or perceives it..and yes it has been on slippery slopes for a 
long time..

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:53:33 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT  I won a point ... maybe

  Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted 
and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not animals, they can 
choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens to be a computer 
science undergrad at the University of Utah. 

  I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners. 

  The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0 
  Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
take over too much of the time. 

  And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS. 

  She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away. 

  I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Robert

That young woman is now off designing her BIOS level virus for Chuck 1.0 
OS...


On 4/5/17 9:03 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:

Well you didnï¿½t get accused of being a misogynist, rapist and a member
of the patriarchyï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½. so, winning!



On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with
me.  I trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point
where she said even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has
the right to be unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone.
ï¿½People are not animals, they can choose to control their behaviorsï¿½
she said.  She happens to be a computer science undergrad at the
University of Utah.

I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our
operating system, which I call ï¿½natural manï¿½ just wants to eat, sleep,
screw and sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating
partners.

The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let
the OS take over too much of the time.

And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way
always triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always
attempts to run the ï¿½screw the girlï¿½ routine in BIOS.

She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed
her brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.

I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

I am seeing more and more of these issues that have a 'context' to them, taken 
out of context the sound ridiculous.. 

I will give you two very specific examples... 

Lots of the ladies in my family wear the Hijab (Dress code for Muslim Women, 
have to cover all parts of their bodies in non-revealing clothes, and a Head 
Scarf. not to be confused with the 'Niqab' = face covering). 

They often get stares and sometime dirty looks (and some quiet or loud 
mumbling), many times empathetic looks and questions.. The type of response is 
more related to the environment. there are cities in the USA where such 
dress code does will not get them 2nd looks from anyone around.. 

Now taking this particular lady's comment.. if she desires to go naked... well 
if she does so on Miami Beach, she might not even get 2nd looks.. but if she 
decides to do that in the middle of town that would a whole different story... 

What is the proper answer ? I don't know.. but I do agree with a 'lack' of 
recognition or a challenge of the status quo... that there is a connection 
between certain kind of behavior and the action/reaction it invites which is 
greatly dependent on the environment. 

Personally I think this is all related to Morality, and how each one of us 
understands it or perceives it..and yes it has been on slippery slopes for a 
long time.. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:53:33 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

> Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
> attention.
> One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me. I trolled and
> baited her a bit. It devolved a bit to the point where she said even if she
> chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted and not
> receive any attention from anyone. “People are not animals, they can choose to
> control their behaviors” she said. She happens to be a computer science
> undergrad at the University of Utah.
> I told her I disagree. I told her that we are a meat robot. Our operating
> system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and
> sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.
> The human element is the app. I run Chuck 1.0
> Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself. But some apps let the OS take
> over too much of the time.
> And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
> triggers
> a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run the “screw
> the girl” routine in BIOS.
> She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
> brow
> and told me that I might be on to something. Then walked away.
> I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Not today, but I have been called a misogynist many times. 
Then I run app Bubba 1.0

Then I tell them I have a degree from the Utah College of Misogyny Therapy.  
http://www.ucmt.com/
They advertise on the radio all the time.  

Then I ask them how they can support IUDs when we have lost so many soldiers to 
improvised roadside IUDs



From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Well you didn’t get accused of being a misogynist, rapist and a member of the 
patriarchy. so, winning! 



On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted 
and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not animals, they can 
choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens to be a computer 
science undergrad at the University of Utah.  

  I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.  

  The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0  
  Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
take over too much of the time.  

  And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.  

  She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.  

  I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Dan Petermann

Well you didn’t get accused of being a misogynist, rapist and a member of the 
patriarchy. so, winning!


 
On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
> attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
> trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
> even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be 
> unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not 
> animals, they can choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens 
> to be a computer science undergrad at the University of Utah. 
>  
> I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
> system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
> sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners. 
>  
> The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0 
> Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
> take over too much of the time. 
>  
> And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
> triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
> the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS. 
>  
> She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
> brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away. 
>  
> I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Yikes

On Apr 5, 2017 9:56 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> The young woman is now in her safe space playing with Playdough.
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted
>> attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.
>> I trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she
>> said even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be
>> unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone. “People are not
>> animals, they can choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens
>> to be a computer science undergrad at the University of Utah.
>> I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our
>> operating system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep,
>> screw and sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.
>> The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
>> Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the
>> OS take over too much of the time.
>> And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always
>> triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to
>> run the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.
>> She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed
>> her brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.
>> I think that was a win?
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date: 04/05/17
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

2017-04-05 Thread Jay Weekley


The young woman is now in her safe space playing with Playdough.

Chuck McCown wrote:
Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with 
me.  I trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point 
where she said even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has 
the right to be unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone. 
“People are not animals, they can choose to control their behaviors” 
she said.  She happens to be a computer science undergrad at the 
University of Utah.
I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our 
operating system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, 
screw and sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating 
partners.

The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let 
the OS take over too much of the time.
And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way 
always triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always 
attempts to run the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.
She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed 
her brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.

I think that was a win?

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.8012 / Virus Database: 4769/14245 - Release Date: 04/05/17

[AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted attention. 
 One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I trolled and 
baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said even if she 
chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be unmolsted and not 
receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not animals, they can choose to 
control their behaviors” she said.  She happens to be a computer science 
undergrad at the University of Utah.  

I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners.  

The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0  
Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS take 
over too much of the time.  

And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS.  

She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her brow 
and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away.  

I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

I was warned the Mikrotik SFPs do not work in some things, which could
become a problem.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Neal 
wrote:

> S-RJ01 is a Mikrotik Copper SFP.
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Well I guess it doesn't like boxes or something
>>
>> http://www.fs.com/products/37762.html
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's just a search...
>>>
>>> I've been using these for a bit and were recommended for MT + Netonix
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- 1M LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex 2.0mm PVC(OFNR) 9/125 Single Mode Fiber
>>>Patch Cable 
>>>- Generic Compatible 1000BASE-SX SFP 1310nm 2km DOM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
 Anybody used these…. Or a better alternative?



 https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=s
 fp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965
 t=price-asc-rank





 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>

 pa...@pdmnet.net

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com





>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Kevin Neal*Project Manager
> Northwest DataCom
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

2017-04-05 Thread Kevin Neal

S-RJ01 is a Mikrotik Copper SFP.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well I guess it doesn't like boxes or something
>
> http://www.fs.com/products/37762.html
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> That's just a search...
>>
>> I've been using these for a bit and were recommended for MT + Netonix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- 1M LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex 2.0mm PVC(OFNR) 9/125 Single Mode Fiber
>>Patch Cable 
>>- Generic Compatible 1000BASE-SX SFP 1310nm 2km DOM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody used these…. Or a better alternative?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=s
>>> fp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965
>>> t=price-asc-rank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

*Kevin Neal*Project Manager
Northwest DataCom

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

Well I guess it doesn't like boxes or something

http://www.fs.com/products/37762.html


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's just a search...
>
> I've been using these for a bit and were recommended for MT + Netonix
>
>
>
>
>- 1M LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex 2.0mm PVC(OFNR) 9/125 Single Mode Fiber
>Patch Cable 
>- Generic Compatible 1000BASE-SX SFP 1310nm 2km DOM
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Anybody used these…. Or a better alternative?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=s
>> fp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965
>> t=price-asc-rank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

That's just a search...

I've been using these for a bit and were recommended for MT + Netonix




   - 1M LC UPC to LC UPC Duplex 2.0mm PVC(OFNR) 9/125 Single Mode Fiber
   Patch Cable 
   - Generic Compatible 1000BASE-SX SFP 1310nm 2km DOM
   



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody used these…. Or a better alternative?
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=
> sfp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965&
> sort=price-asc-rank
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

Assuming the other utility correctly locates their own plant. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:27:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA 




Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route 
looking at the types of soils etc. Sometimes they even pothole to make sure 
what is under the surface. All underground utilities are located during design 
time and then located again prior to construction. This is not difficult to do 
right. 




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA 


Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when 
unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a tower 
base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a water/gas/sewer/etc...If 
you or someone didn't check it out before it could be a project stopper...I 
don't know if contractors or AT hired a survey company to analyze conditions. 
I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this list do before they start building 
out .From experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we get drawings and 
studies done way before we start by engineering firms. We attend meetings where 
all these items are discussed. I imagine you guys do your homework ...It just 
makes business sense. 


On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: 


Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I want 
it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want cable, I 
just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting 921Mbps. I'm 
paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!! 

Over-privileged first-world fucks. 


On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: 


Ah? Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this area. 


http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-up-with-att-fiber-optic-project/433306313

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Compatible Copper SFPs

2017-04-05 Thread Paul McCall

Anybody used these Or a better alternative?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=sfp+ethernet=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Asfp+ethernet=1491398965=price-asc-rank


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

Exactly my point.. all the colorful painted markers on street, easement and
dirt indicate what utilities are under the surface .Side note...My ex
WISP partner had a knack of hitting pipes or lines every time he used
backhoe...

On Apr 5, 2017 8:27 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route
looking at the types of soils etc.  Sometimes they even pothole to make
sure what is under the surface.  All underground utilities are located
during design time and then located again prior to construction.  This is
not difficult to do right.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic
project- KVIA

Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when
unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a
tower base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a
water/gas/sewer/etc...If you or someone didn't check it out before it could
be a project stopper...I don't know if  contractors or AT hired a survey
company to analyze conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this
list do before they start building out .From experience, when we build
out SCADA projects, we get drawings and studies done way before we start by
engineering firms.   We attend meetings where all these items are
discussed.  I imagine you guys do your homework ...It just makes business
sense.

On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I
want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want
cable, I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting
921Mbps. I'm paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!

Over-privileged first-world fucks.

On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

> Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this area.
>
>
> http://www.kvia.com/news/el-paso/west-ep-homeowners-fed-up-w
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Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- KVIA

Prior to bidding, all of the contractors I work with ride the whole route 
looking at the types of soils etc.  Sometimes they even pothole to make sure 
what is under the surface.  All underground utilities are located during design 
time and then located again prior to construction.  This is not difficult to do 
right. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project- 
KVIA

Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber when 
unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to erect a tower 
base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a water/gas/sewer/etc...If 
you or someone didn't check it out before it could be a project stopper...I 
don't know if  contractors or AT hired a survey company to analyze 
conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH guys on this list do before they 
start building out .From experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we 
get drawings and studies done way before we start by engineering firms.   We 
attend meetings where all these items are discussed.  I imagine you guys do 
your homework ...It just makes business sense. 

On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and I want 
it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't want cable, I 
just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only getting 921Mbps. I'm 
paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!

  Over-privileged first-world fucks. 

  On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this area.

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Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic project - KVIA


I had the same general feelings as George.

On one hand people beg and scream for faster internet, then you hear 
lamentations about where you put a pole and how much dust there is when 
you dig.  It's not usually the same exact people, but occasionally it 
is.


Yeah digging through rock sucks, but that's fixable with machinery and 
tenacity.  Can't fix the humans.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 4/4/2017 10:44:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West EP homeowners fed up with AT fiber optic 
project - KVIA


Wow...Just shared it to point out how difficult it can be lay fiber 
when unexpected or unplanned obstacles pop up. Imagine going to 
erect a tower base five feet deep and a few inches or feet you hit a 
water/gas/sewer/etc...If you or someone didn't check it out before it 
could be a project stopper...I don't know if  contractors or AT hired 
a survey company to analyze conditions.  I wonder what some of the FTTH 
guys on this list do before they start building out .From 
experience, when we build out SCADA projects, we get drawings and 
studies done way before we start by engineering firms.   We attend 
meetings where all these items are discussed.  I imagine you guys do 
your homework ...It just makes business sense.


On Apr 4, 2017 8:18 PM, "George Skorup"  
wrote:
Give me the fastest internet possible for my Netflix and porn. Oh, and 
I want it for $3.95/mo. Wait, why are you digging up my yard? I don't 
want cable, I just want internet! Get outta here! OK, now I'm only 
getting 921Mbps. I'm paying for 1.0Gbps! Fix it now!!!


Over-privileged first-world fucks.


On 4/4/2017 8:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ah?  Did you not see the mountains? My son lives really close to this 
area.



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