date:20170410

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

What ? I don't know!!! Assa

On Apr 10, 2017 6:19 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:

> In the end, it's concluded that the airspeed velocity of a (European)
> unladen swallow is *about 24 miles per hour* or *11 meters per second*.
> But, the real question is not about swallows at all. King Arthur in the
> movie had two coconut shells that he banged together to simulate the sound
> of a horse galloping.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
>
> On Apr 10, 2017 5:47 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>
>> I have my UAS but also a commercial pilot license so it's easier.ï¿½ If
>> you have questions on airspace or charts hit me up and I'll see if I can
>> help.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 4/10/17 7:10 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>>
>> I got mine about a month ago.
>>
>> They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it
>> in considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may
>> vary.ï¿½
>>
>> Go here, sign up and download everything:ï¿½https://jrupprechtlaw.comï¿½
>> There are a few other websites that I canï¿½t remember right now but the
>> one above is the best.ï¿½
>>
>> Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the
>> aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects.ï¿½
>>
>> Safety hazards and attitudes, know these.ï¿½
>>
>> Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer.ï¿½
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for
>> commercial purposes?
>> ï¿½
>> Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
>> ï¿½
>> Paul
>> ï¿½
>> Paul McCall, President
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 772-564-6800ï¿½
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> www.pdmnet.com
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?


Jaime,

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Monday, April 10, 2017, 8:00:06 PM, you wrote:





What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? 

On Apr 10, 2017 5:47 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:




I have my UAS but also a commercial pilot license so it's easier.ï¿½ If you have questions on airspace or charts hit me up and I'll see if I can help.

Mark

On 4/10/17 7:10 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:




I got mine about a month ago. 

They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it in considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may vary.ï¿½

Go here, sign up and download everything:ï¿½https://jrupprechtlaw.comï¿½
There are a few other websites that I canï¿½t remember right now but the one above is the best.ï¿½

Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects.ï¿½

Safety hazards and attitudes, know these.ï¿½

Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer.ï¿½


On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:





Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for commercial purposes?
ï¿½
Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
ï¿½
Paul
ï¿½
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800ï¿½
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Justin Wilson

We are doing tunnels to give customers IPs who can’t justify or afford a full 
/24.  Since a /24 is the smallest you can really advertise swipping someone a 
/25 or smaller that is not directly connected to your network does you no good. 
 A group buy tends to be a very painful process.

ARIN has policies and time limits for transfers and such.  I believe you can’t 
do anything with a block until 30 days after you have it transferred to you.  
Even then there are restrictions.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Apr 10, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> You would have to have one org "own" the block and lease it out to third 
> parties, same general idea as a large scale hosting/colocation/virtual server 
> company that might give a /26 or a /25 to a medium sized customer, with 
> service contract and LOA. In this case all of the smaller pieces of the block 
> would logically be customers of the owner of the block.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That's just about the finance aspect, though.
> 
> ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
> get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
> than saving a few bucks.
> 
> 
> Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification 
> aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it up in 
> the parking lot between orgs.
> 
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh

In the end, it's concluded that the airspeed velocity of a (European) unladen 
swallow is about 24 miles per hour or 11 meters per second. But, the real 
question is not about swallows at all. King Arthur in the movie had two coconut 
shells that he banged together to simulate the sound of a horse galloping.

Mark

> On Apr 10, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2017 5:47 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>> I have my UAS but also a commercial pilot license so it's easier.ï¿½ If you 
>> have questions on airspace or charts hit me up and I'll see if I can help.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On 4/10/17 7:10 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>>> I got mine about a month ago.
>>> 
>>> They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it in 
>>> considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may 
>>> vary.ï¿½
>>> 
>>> Go here, sign up and download everything:ï¿½https://jrupprechtlaw.comï¿½
>>> There are a few other websites that I canï¿½t remember right now but the 
>>> one above is the best.ï¿½
>>> 
>>> Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the 
>>> aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects.ï¿½
>>> 
>>> Safety hazards and attitudes, know these.ï¿½
>>> 
>>> Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer.ï¿½
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
 
 Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for 
 commercial purposes?
 ï¿½
 Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
 ï¿½
 Paul
 ï¿½
 Paul McCall, President
 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
 658 Old Dixie Highway
 Vero Beach, FL 32962
 772-564-6800ï¿½
 pa...@pdmnet.net
 www.pdmnet.com
 www.floridabroadband.com
>>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

On Apr 10, 2017 5:47 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:

> I have my UAS but also a commercial pilot license so it's easier.ï¿½ If
> you have questions on airspace or charts hit me up and I'll see if I can
> help.
>
> Mark
>
> On 4/10/17 7:10 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>
> I got mine about a month ago.
>
> They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it
> in considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may
> vary.ï¿½
>
> Go here, sign up and download everything:ï¿½https://jrupprechtlaw.comï¿½
> There are a few other websites that I canï¿½t remember right now but the
> one above is the best.ï¿½
>
> Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the
> aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects.ï¿½
>
> Safety hazards and attitudes, know these.ï¿½
>
> Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer.ï¿½
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for
> commercial purposes?
> ï¿½
> Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
> ï¿½
> Paul
> ï¿½
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800ï¿½
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I have my UAS but also a commercial pilot license so it's easier. If you 
have questions on airspace or charts hit me up and I'll see if I can help.


Mark

On 4/10/17 7:10 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

I got mine about a month ago.

They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did 
it in considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your 
mileage may vary.


Go here, sign up and download everything: https://jrupprechtlaw.com
There are a few other websites that I canï¿½t remember right now but the 
one above is the best.


Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the 
aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects.


Safety hazards and attitudes, know these.

Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer.


On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone 
for commercial purposes?

Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
Paul
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

2017-04-10 Thread Dan Petermann

I got mine about a month ago.

They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it in 
considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may vary. 

Go here, sign up and download everything: https://jrupprechtlaw.com 
There are a few other websites that I can’t remember right now but the one 
above is the best. 

Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the 
aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects. 

Safety hazards and attitudes, know these. 

Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer. 

On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for 
> commercial purposes?
>  
> Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Eric Kuhnke

You would have to have one org "own" the block and lease it out to third
parties, same general idea as a large scale hosting/colocation/virtual
server company that might give a /26 or a /25 to a medium sized customer,
with service contract and LOA. In this case all of the smaller pieces of
the block would logically be customers of the owner of the block.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> That's just about the finance aspect, though.
>>
>> ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
>> get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
>> than saving a few bucks.
>>
>
>
> Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification
> aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it up
> in the parking lot between orgs.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 4/10/17 14:02, Josh Luthman wrote:

That's just about the finance aspect, though.

ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle
than saving a few bucks.



Similar concepts apply though regarding the ownership and justification 
aspects if you want to try to do a group buy. You can't just divide it 
up in the parking lot between orgs.


~Seth

[AFMUG] Windows 10 Creators update

2017-04-10 Thread Paul Stewart

Starts tomorrow …. been working on capacity planning stuff for 3 months now to 
prepare - should be interesting to see if it breaks traffic records in our 
network….

Just a friendly reminder about it coming ;)

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Jason McKemie

I bought a smaller amount of IP space via ipv4auctions.com

After looking around a bit, they were the best deal that I could find.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>
> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy
> and price per IP?
>
> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with
> other ISPs?
>
> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
> because of transfer fees etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Reynolds

You will have to get approval from ARIN first.

A /21 will run you about $25,000 after transfer fees.

On Apr 10, 2017 2:59 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>
> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy
> and price per IP?
>
> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with
> other ISPs?
>
> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
> because of transfer fees etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman

That's just about the finance aspect, though.

ipv4auctions seems to be the place everyone recommends, buy it there and
get ARIN's blessing.  A group buy, to me, seems like WAY more hassle than
saving a few bucks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/10/17 12:58, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
>> I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.
>>
>> What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to
>> buy and price per IP?
>>
>> Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here
>> with other ISPs?
>>
>> Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction
>> because of transfer fees etc?
>>
>>
> There's a thread on ppml right now on someone who is asking about
> financing IP addresses.
>
> "ARIN Accounts for Financing / Leasing IP"
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/thread.html
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 4/10/17 12:58, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.

What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy and 
price per IP?

Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with 
other ISPs?

Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction because 
of transfer fees etc?



There's a thread on ppml right now on someone who is asking about 
financing IP addresses.


"ARIN Accounts for Financing / Leasing IP"
http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/thread.html

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman

You say amazing, I say disappointing


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> It's amazing how many places still use dial-up.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> As a consumer that uses cards - PLEASE do ethernet!!!
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They'll love how much faster transactions process over ethernet.  Worth
>>> the switch just for that benefit.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 That will be our first suggestion.

 *From:* Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:35 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

 May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight
 ethernet to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May
 very well require a new terminal, however.

 On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Same switch is sending the call.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>
> Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or
> something?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mitch Koep" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>
>
> When ever we have changed customers
>
> We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card
> device
>
> Mitch
>
> On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal
> when we switched him from copper to fiber.
> Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central
> office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Any ideas?
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] IPv4 Auction/Purchase

2017-04-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I think I am ready to purchase a /21 IPv4.

What are some recent experiences with this on best broker/place/URL to buy and 
price per IP?

Is there any advantage in trying to do some sort of group buy on here with 
other ISPs?

Or is this something that is hard to break up within ARIN after auction because 
of transfer fees etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Jason McKemie

It's amazing how many places still use dial-up.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> As a consumer that uses cards - PLEASE do ethernet!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> They'll love how much faster transactions process over ethernet.  Worth
>> the switch just for that benefit.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> That will be our first suggestion.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>>
>>> May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight
>>> ethernet to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May
>>> very well require a new terminal, however.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Same switch is sending the call.

 *From:* Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

 Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or
 something?


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Mitch Koep" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip


 When ever we have changed customers

 We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card
 device

 Mitch

 On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal
 when we switched him from copper to fiber.
 Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central
 office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½
 ï¿½
 Any ideas?
 ï¿½
 ï¿½


 --
 Mitch Koep

 A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman

As a consumer that uses cards - PLEASE do ethernet!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> They'll love how much faster transactions process over ethernet.  Worth
> the switch just for that benefit.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That will be our first suggestion.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>
>> May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight
>> ethernet to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May
>> very well require a new terminal, however.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Same switch is sending the call.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>>
>>> Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or
>>> something?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Mitch Koep" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>>
>>>
>>> When ever we have changed customers
>>>
>>> We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>>
>>> On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal
>>> when we switched him from copper to fiber.
>>> Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central
>>> office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> Any ideas?
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mitch Koep
>>>
>>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Jason McKemie

They'll love how much faster transactions process over ethernet.  Worth the
switch just for that benefit.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That will be our first suggestion.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>
> May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight
> ethernet to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May
> very well require a new terminal, however.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Same switch is sending the call.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>
>> Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or
>> something?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mitch Koep" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>>
>>
>> When ever we have changed customers
>>
>> We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal
>> when we switched him from copper to fiber.
>> Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central
>> office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Any ideas?
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mitch Koep
>>
>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

That will be our first suggestion.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight ethernet 
to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May very well 
require a new terminal, however.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Same switch is sending the call.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

  Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or 
something?

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Mitch Koep" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

When ever we have changed customers

We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device

Mitch

On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal 
when we switched him from copper to fiber.
  Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central 
office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Any ideas?
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

-- 
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Jason McKemie

May not be an option, but the better way to go would just be straight
ethernet to the terminal.  This is what I do at one of my locations. May
very well require a new terminal, however.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Same switch is sending the call.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>
> Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or
> something?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mitch Koep" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip
>
>
> When ever we have changed customers
>
> We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device
>
> Mitch
>
> On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal when
> we switched him from copper to fiber.
> Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central
> office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Any ideas?
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

Same switch is sending the call.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or 
something?

-- Original Message --
From: "Mitch Koep" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

  When ever we have changed customers

  We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device

  Mitch

  On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal when 
we switched him from copper to fiber.
Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central office.ï¿½ 
So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Any ideas?
ï¿½
ï¿½

-- 
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett

Maybe they see the caller ID slightly differently?  An extra + sign or 
something?

-- Original Message --
From: "Mitch Koep" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2017 2:21:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

When ever we have changed customers

We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card 
device

Mitch

On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal 
when we switched him from copper to fiber.
Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central 
office.ï¿½ So there should not be any jitter or latency.ï¿½

ï¿½
Any ideas?
ï¿½
ï¿½

-- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Mitch Koep


When ever we have changed customers

We have had to call the processors Support to re register the card device

Mitch


On 04/10/2017 01:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal 
when we switched him from copper to fiber.
Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central 
office.  So there should not be any jitter or latency.

Any ideas?


--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

[AFMUG] Credit card terminal and sip

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

Have a customer that lost his ability to use his credit card terminal when we 
switched him from copper to fiber.
Is is SIP via a Calex ONT , g.711 but it goes to a local central office.  So 
there should not be any jitter or latency.  

Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Mathew Howard

yeah, with that much guard band pretty much anything you do should work
fine.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You've got 500 MHz of guard, that shouldn't be an issue at all.
>
> As long as the 180* links are the same 75/25 and GPS is running, I think
> you should be OK.  I'm not sure what would happen when the upload comes
> into play as both masters would hear the wrong slave presumably ~40db
> weaker.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> If we have one in the 5200 range (slave) and a Master 5775 that is 30 ft.
>> away (horizontally, but still back to back on the side of a building) would
>> that work?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:16 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, GPS sync won't work if you have a master and a slave on the same
>> tower, so you'll need to make sure you have enough separation (both
>> physical and frequency) to keep from interfering.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> We were going to run 75/25, so could I take the New nearby dish and make
>> it master (being 15 ft. away F/B?  I might be able to go up to 40 or 50ft.
>> Back to back as well.  thinking it through it really needs to be the
>> Master.  I guess I might have to use a different frequency for the new link
>> if it doesn’t work with the Master being close to the Slave.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:58 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't
>> see either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem.
>> You do need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if
>> for example, you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set
>> the new master on the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only
>> be getting 25% download at that site)... not really an issue if you're
>> running 50/50, or if 25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but
>> something to keep in mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call
>> them BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about
>> 30 ft. of vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side”
>> (I’ll call in BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5
>> dish going almost 180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5
>> miles away. I can get about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new
>> dish.  Can I use the same frequency again on this new link?   If I so I
>> would assume I make the new “back to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a
>> slave and the far end (new tower) be the master?
>>
>>
>>
>> Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes
>> or are there additional considerations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman

You've got 500 MHz of guard, that shouldn't be an issue at all.

As long as the 180* links are the same 75/25 and GPS is running, I think
you should be OK.  I'm not sure what would happen when the upload comes
into play as both masters would hear the wrong slave presumably ~40db
weaker.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> If we have one in the 5200 range (slave) and a Master 5775 that is 30 ft.
> away (horizontally, but still back to back on the side of a building) would
> that work?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse
>
>
>
> Yeah, GPS sync won't work if you have a master and a slave on the same
> tower, so you'll need to make sure you have enough separation (both
> physical and frequency) to keep from interfering.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We were going to run 75/25, so could I take the New nearby dish and make
> it master (being 15 ft. away F/B?  I might be able to go up to 40 or 50ft.
> Back to back as well.  thinking it through it really needs to be the
> Master.  I guess I might have to use a different frequency for the new link
> if it doesn’t work with the Master being close to the Slave.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:58 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse
>
>
>
> Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't
> see either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem.
> You do need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if
> for example, you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set
> the new master on the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only
> be getting 25% download at that site)... not really an issue if you're
> running 50/50, or if 25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but
> something to keep in mind.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call
> them BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about
> 30 ft. of vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side”
> (I’ll call in BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5
> dish going almost 180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5
> miles away. I can get about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new
> dish.  Can I use the same frequency again on this new link?   If I so I
> would assume I make the new “back to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a
> slave and the far end (new tower) be the master?
>
>
>
> Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes
> or are there additional considerations?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Tim Reichhart

Ultrahorns are not released yet and no ETA when.

-Original Message-
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 04/10/17 01:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Sorry - I missed that you were looking for the Ultrahorns :/

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Talked with Shane at SW.  the consensus is that nobody has the Ultrhorns (the 
21 and 24db models), no ETA, do not pass go, do not collect $ 200

☹

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

SW definitely stocks them.. and has most (if not all) in stock as of a day or 
so ago.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Not seeing them at SW, Baltic or Amazon.

I emailed my epcom.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didn't list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone's site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

Epcom has Miami location..

On Apr 10, 2017 9:48 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Where do we buy these critters?
>
>
>
> Baltic didn’t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone’s site.
>
>
>
> https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/
> ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Baird

Sorry - I missed that you were looking for the Ultrahorns :/

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Talked with Shane at SW.  the consensus is that nobody has the Ultrhorns
> (the 21 and 24db models), no ETA, do not pass go, do not collect $ 200
>
>
>
> ☹
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns
>
>
>
> SW definitely stocks them.. and has most (if not all) in stock as of a day
> or so ago.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Not seeing them at SW, Baltic or Amazon.
>
>
>
> I emailed my epcom.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns
>
>
>
> Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns
>
>
>
> Where do we buy these critters?
>
>
>
> Baltic didn’t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone’s site.
>
>
>
> https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/
> ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

Talked with Shane at SW.  the consensus is that nobody has the Ultrhorns (the 
21 and 24db models), no ETA, do not pass go, do not collect $ 200

☹

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

SW definitely stocks them.. and has most (if not all) in stock as of a day or 
so ago.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Not seeing them at SW, Baltic or Amazon.

I emailed my epcom.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didn’t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone’s site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] AnimalFarm Math

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

https://youtu.be/VZreKM6LmCs

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

If we have one in the 5200 range (slave) and a Master 5775 that is 30 ft. away 
(horizontally, but still back to back on the side of a building) would that 
work?

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

Yeah, GPS sync won't work if you have a master and a slave on the same tower, 
so you'll need to make sure you have enough separation (both physical and 
frequency) to keep from interfering.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
We were going to run 75/25, so could I take the New nearby dish and make it 
master (being 15 ft. away F/B?  I might be able to go up to 40 or 50ft. Back to 
back as well.  thinking it through it really needs to be the Master.  I guess I 
might have to use a different frequency for the new link if it doesn’t work 
with the Master being close to the Slave.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:58 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't see 
either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem. You do 
need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if for example, 
you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set the new master on 
the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only be getting 25% 
download at that site)... not really an issue if you're running 50/50, or if 
25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but something to keep in mind.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call them 
BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about 30 ft. of 
vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side” (I’ll call in 
BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5 dish going almost 
180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5 miles away. I can get 
about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new dish.  Can I use the same 
frequency again on this new link?   If I so I would assume I make the new “back 
to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a slave and the far end (new tower) be the 
master?

Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes or 
are there additional considerations?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, GPS sync won't work if you have a master and a slave on the same
tower, so you'll need to make sure you have enough separation (both
physical and frequency) to keep from interfering.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We were going to run 75/25, so could I take the New nearby dish and make
> it master (being 15 ft. away F/B?  I might be able to go up to 40 or 50ft.
> Back to back as well.  thinking it through it really needs to be the
> Master.  I guess I might have to use a different frequency for the new link
> if it doesn’t work with the Master being close to the Slave.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 12:58 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse
>
>
>
> Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't
> see either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem.
> You do need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if
> for example, you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set
> the new master on the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only
> be getting 25% download at that site)... not really an issue if you're
> running 50/50, or if 25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but
> something to keep in mind.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call
> them BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about
> 30 ft. of vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side”
> (I’ll call in BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5
> dish going almost 180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5
> miles away. I can get about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new
> dish.  Can I use the same frequency again on this new link?   If I so I
> would assume I make the new “back to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a
> slave and the far end (new tower) be the master?
>
>
>
> Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes
> or are there additional considerations?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

We were going to run 75/25, so could I take the New nearby dish and make it 
master (being 15 ft. away F/B?  I might be able to go up to 40 or 50ft. Back to 
back as well.  thinking it through it really needs to be the Master.  I guess I 
might have to use a different frequency for the new link if it doesn’t work 
with the Master being close to the Slave.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 12:58 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't see 
either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem. You do 
need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if for example, 
you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set the new master on 
the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only be getting 25% 
download at that site)... not really an issue if you're running 50/50, or if 
25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but something to keep in mind.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call them 
BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about 30 ft. of 
vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side” (I’ll call in 
BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5 dish going almost 
180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5 miles away. I can get 
about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new dish.  Can I use the same 
frequency again on this new link?   If I so I would assume I make the new “back 
to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a slave and the far end (new tower) be the 
master?

Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes or 
are there additional considerations?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, it should work - as long as the the new master on the far end can't
see either of the masters on the first tower, it shouldn't be a problem.
You do need to have the ratio matched on all of the masters though, so if
for example, you have the current link set to 75/25, you would have to set
the new master on the far end to 75/25 also (so you would effectively only
be getting 25% download at that site)... not really an issue if you're
running 50/50, or if 25% down is enough bandwidth at that location, but
something to keep in mind.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters – I’ll call
> them BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about
> 30 ft. of vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the “slave side”
> (I’ll call in BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5
> dish going almost 180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5
> miles away. I can get about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new
> dish.  Can I use the same frequency again on this new link?   If I so I
> would assume I make the new “back to back – 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a
> slave and the far end (new tower) be the master?
>
>
>
> Since they are all GPS synced  I didn’t know how much difference it makes
> or are there additional considerations?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Airfiber 5x GPS Sync Frequency reuse

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

We have a tower using the same AF5x frequency (both Masters - I'll call them 
BHM-1 and BHM2) going about 180 deg. Different directions with about 30 ft. of 
vertical separation.   About 2 miles away is the "slave side" (I'll call in 
BHS2) of one of these on a building, and I want another AFX5 dish going almost 
180 degrees to this slave going to another tower 1.5 miles away. I can get 
about 15 ft. separation F/B between BHS2 and this new dish.  Can I use the same 
frequency again on this new link?   If I so I would assume I make the new "back 
to back - 15 ft. apart AF5x also be a slave and the far end (new tower) be the 
master?

Since they are all GPS synced  I didn't know how much difference it makes or 
are there additional considerations?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] CISCO VLAN question

2017-04-10 Thread Larry Smith

On Sat April 8 2017 22:35, Bruce Robertson wrote:
> 5-1/4 floppy?  What's that?  I prefer toggling the bootstrap into core
> memory through the front console switches.

Or loading the system from Mylar tape.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Baird

SW definitely stocks them.. and has most (if not all) in stock as of a day
or so ago.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Not seeing them at SW, Baltic or Amazon.
>
>
>
> I emailed my epcom.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns
>
>
>
> Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns
>
>
>
> Where do we buy these critters?
>
>
>
> Baltic didn’t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone’s site.
>
>
>
> https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/
> ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Link won't stay Linked

2017-04-10 Thread Sam Morris

I've had radios do that when the passwords didn't match. Connect for a 
second or two, then drop off. Connect for a second or two, then drop off.



On 4/4/2017 6:55 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I had a newly installed AF5x link running for 4 days, then just like a
light switch, it dropped out and now won't stay connected.  SA looks
clean on both sides and I've tried multiple frequencies.  When it does
link for a couple seconds, signal levels seem fine, so alignment looks
good, it just won't stay connected.  It is at the same location as an
AF5 radio,  but I tried running the 5x in a different band, as well as
split tx/rx to match the AF5 radio.  Is there something stupid I'm
missing?  One end of the link is 1.7 miles and 3 degrees off the path
from an Airport Radar like this one https://youtu.be/OXpqA3BvLLg?t=51 .
But nothing is showing up in SA as being an issue.  Is it possible that
something changed with the Radar station that's desensitizing one of the
receivers, but not showing up in the SA?  It went down at almost exactly
4am on Sunday morning.  That seems like the time that changes would be
being made.

If I swap the Master/slave ends, I can see the beacon in the SA clearly
standing out (At the same levels) on both ends against the background
noise, however the SA's do look different, in that one direction, the
Waterfall graph is filled with the Beacons, but the other direction,
there are gaps in the waterfall view.  Scan range is set equal on the 2
scans, and the settings of the master radios are equal.  Could this be
indicative of a bad transmitter on one unit?

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

Not seeing them at SW, Baltic or Amazon.

I emailed my epcom.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didn't list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone's site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] CISCO VLAN question

2017-04-10 Thread Dave


OMG pls stop LOL

Better get those cards punched in the right sequence


On 04/08/2017 10:35 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
5-1/4 floppy?  What's that?  I prefer toggling the bootstrap into core 
memory through the front console switches.


On 4/8/17 7:30 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Yes, I predate some cisco crap LOL

Like X.25 hosts and Packet switching. Nothin like a 5-1/4 floppy to 
start your network


The Native vlan hit the spot. I was able to tell the Force180 
dcevices to get on the managed vlan and the customer vlan I set to 
native.


Worked like a charm.



On 4/7/2017 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

VLAN is 1998 - wow!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Dave > wrote:


Yes..
 I come from the 1990 era of Cisco LOL



On 04/07/2017 10:29 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

switchport trunk native vlan sounds like what you’re after?
It’ll pass an untagged vlan across a trunk port.


On Apr 7, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Dave 
  wrote:

Ok,
So I want to manage my radio link and provide public access over that link.
How do I configure my Cisco for switchport trunk to allow the customer to 
connect at the other end with a sonicwall for his public ip?
So the topology of this is
Vlan 1000 is a managed vlan
Vlan 2400 is the public access vlan
Cisco port is mode trunk dot1q to allow both vlans but since the customer 
dont have a vlan to configure on his sonic wall I would need my radios to allow
switchport access of 2400

Is there a way to tell the cisco to allow switchport access for vlan2400 on 
the same trunked port?

Any ideas will be helpful

Thanks
Dave

--



-- 





--
!DSPAM:2,58e99cc7138799175414541! 




--

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Mathew Howard

In PTP mode, you can set the ePMP AP to only allow a specific MAC, but
that's the only kind of MAC locking I know of... preferred AP just sets
SSID and security. It may have been different in really old versions, but I
don't think so.

A rescan timer would be really, really nice. I normally don't set a
preferred AP at all, so if an AP goes down for whatever reason, any SMs
that can see another AP will jump over there and sit there forever until
they get rebooted or kicked off, which isn't ideal.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:02 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I think you may be remembering wrong. I've never seen an SM get locked to
> an AP MAC. It's just SSID and WPA2 key. So if either of those are wrong,
> then yeah, you're screwed unless you can remember exactly what the old AP
> had configured.
>
> The "lock to AP MAC" is an UBNT thing when using connect from a survey.
> The field guys would use that all the time and it really bit us in the ass
> when an AP died.
>
> I have a default config for SMs now that's DHCP, our default WPA2 key and
> no preferred APs. A field tech can put it up and call in. Almost like using
> ICC on Canopy. Office tech logs in and set the preferred APs and all that.
>
> But I totally agree. ePMP needs a rescan timer like Canopy. Obviously with
> Canopy, this setting is sent down to the SMs from the AP. It would be
> perfectly fine with me if implemented on the SM only. If you're not using
> the preferred AP list, then maybe this won't help you though.
>
> On 4/10/2017 10:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I don't think I've seen that setting anywhere.  Maybe the newer firmware
> has gotten rid of the MAC of the AP.  I'm not seeing that now, just the
> SSID.  Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I didn't have the SSID Set
> exactly the same on the replacement AP and nothing was linking up to it.
>
> On 4/10/2017 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Whoa baby.  Can you clone the MAC of the old AP?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2017 11:34:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>
> Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the SM.  I
> got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the AP, changed a
> sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's to update the
> preferred AP List so they could link up again.
>
>
> On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?
>
> I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If the top
> one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a lower one, but I
> don't see a rescan after x minutes option.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>
> ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this
> with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers getting
> -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been a good month
> on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual rescan or reboot
> would fix it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No issues
>> observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  Almost all
>> customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for automatic rescan in
>> EPMP to automatically put them back on the strongest sector after an AP
>> Reboot.
>>
>>
>> On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Disclaimer: I haven't done it.
>>
>> I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors you'll
>> be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector antenna then
>> you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio
>> though.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Paul McCall" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com"  
>> Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>>
>> We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It was
>> the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would have
>> done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have
>> about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with ePMP
>> performance, if anything?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Mitch Koep



   Availability

Available for pre-orders.
Mitch



On 04/10/2017 10:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didnï¿½t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyoneï¿½s site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 



--
Mitch Koep

A Better Wireless
218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett

The F/B ratio stated on the spec sheet is over 30db.
I imagine you're not directly behind it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 4/10/2017 12:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

I can hit back of sector antenna 7 ish miles for my house to mountain 
and get -85dBm... It's an epmp with a Cambium sectorWish front to 
back ratios was better on sectors..Not sure if shields would helpI 
suggested to WISP to use building to shield...

On Apr 10, 2017 9:14 AM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:
ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this 
with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers 
getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been 
a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual 
rescan or reboot would fix it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:
I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No 
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  
Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for 
automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them back on the 
strongest sector after an AP Reboot.

On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors 
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium 
sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a 
pretty high F/B ratio though.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  
It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 
I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would 
have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to 
do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread George Skorup

I think you may be remembering wrong. I've never seen an SM get locked 
to an AP MAC. It's just SSID and WPA2 key. So if either of those are 
wrong, then yeah, you're screwed unless you can remember exactly what 
the old AP had configured.


The "lock to AP MAC" is an UBNT thing when using connect from a survey. 
The field guys would use that all the time and it really bit us in the 
ass when an AP died.


I have a default config for SMs now that's DHCP, our default WPA2 key 
and no preferred APs. A field tech can put it up and call in. Almost 
like using ICC on Canopy. Office tech logs in and set the preferred APs 
and all that.


But I totally agree. ePMP needs a rescan timer like Canopy. Obviously 
with Canopy, this setting is sent down to the SMs from the AP. It would 
be perfectly fine with me if implemented on the SM only. If you're not 
using the preferred AP list, then maybe this won't help you though.


On 4/10/2017 10:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I don't think I've seen that setting anywhere.  Maybe the newer 
firmware has gotten rid of the MAC of the AP.  I'm not seeing that 
now, just the SSID.  Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I didn't 
have the SSID Set exactly the same on the replacement AP and nothing 
was linking up to it.


On 4/10/2017 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Whoa baby.  Can you clone the MAC of the old AP?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:34:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the 
SM.  I got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the 
AP, changed a sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's 
to update the preferred AP List so they could link up again.



On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If 
the top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a 
lower one, but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested 
this with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of 
customers getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is 
-60. It's been a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I 
expect a manual rescan or reboot would fix it.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:


I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower. ABAB frequency. 
No issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should
be fine. Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector. 
Just waiting for automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put

them back on the strongest sector after an AP Reboot.


On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent
sectors you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to
the Cambium sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B
re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  >
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?


We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with
ePMP.  It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and
hindsight being 20/20 I would have done 40 90s to get the
F/B Frequency reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I
would have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector. What is
that going to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

I can hit back of sector antenna 7 ish miles for my house to mountain and
get -85dBm... It's an epmp with a Cambium sectorWish front to back
ratios was better on sectors..Not sure if shields would helpI suggested
to WISP to use building to shield...

On Apr 10, 2017 9:14 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this with
3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers getting -75
from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been a good month on
the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual rescan or reboot would
fix it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No issues
> observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  Almost all
> customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for automatic rescan in
> EPMP to automatically put them back on the strongest sector after an AP
> Reboot.
>
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't done it.
>
> I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors you'll
> be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector antenna then
> you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio
> though.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>
> We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It was
> the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would have
> done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.
>
>
>
> If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have
> about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with ePMP
> performance, if anything?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Rory Conaway

Streakwave, amazon.  Lots of options.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didn't list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone's site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

Try www.epcom.net

On Apr 10, 2017 9:48 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Where do we buy these critters?
>
>
>
> Baltic didn’t list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone’s site.
>
>
>
> https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/
> ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett

Maybe it changed at some point.
I haven't been using the preferred SSID listso I didn't know either 
way.

-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:45:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

I don't think I've seen that setting anywhere.  Maybe the newer 
firmware has gotten rid of the MAC of the AP.  I'm not seeing that now, 
just the SSID.  Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I didn't have 
the SSID Set exactly the same on the replacement AP and nothing was 
linking up to it.

On 4/10/2017 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Whoa baby.  Can you clone the MAC of the old AP?

-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:34:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the 
SM.  I got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the 
AP, changed a sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's 
to update the preferred AP List so they could link up again.

On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If 
the top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a 
lower one, but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested 
this with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of 
customers getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is 
-60.  It's been a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I 
expect a manual rescan or reboot would fix it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke < 
n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No 
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be 
fine.  Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just 
waiting for automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them 
back on the strongest sector after an AP Reboot.

On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors 
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium 
sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It 
takes a pretty high F/B ratio though.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net>
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with 
ePMP.  It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight 
being 20/20 I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency 
reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I 
would have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that 
going to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] distributor for RF elements horns

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

Where do we buy these critters?

Baltic didn't list the UltraHorns, not seeing them on anyone's site.

https://www.rfelements.com/products/wireless-broadband/ultrahorn-point-to-point-antennas/overview/



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Nate Burke

I don't think I've seen that setting anywhere.  Maybe the newer firmware 
has gotten rid of the MAC of the AP.  I'm not seeing that now, just the 
SSID.  Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I didn't have the SSID Set 
exactly the same on the replacement AP and nothing was linking up to it.


On 4/10/2017 10:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Whoa baby.  Can you clone the MAC of the old AP?


-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:34:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the 
SM.  I got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the 
AP, changed a sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's 
to update the preferred AP List so they could link up again.



On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If 
the top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a 
lower one, but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested 
this with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of 
customers getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is 
-60. It's been a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I 
expect a manual rescan or reboot would fix it.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency. 
No issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should
be fine.  Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector. 
Just waiting for automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put

them back on the strongest sector after an AP Reboot.


On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent
sectors you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the
Cambium sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B
re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  >
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?


We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with
ePMP.  It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight
being 20/20 I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency
reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I
would have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is
that going to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett

Whoa baby.  Can you clone the MAC of the old AP?

-- Original Message --
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:34:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the SM. 
 I got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the AP, 
changed a sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's to 
update the preferred AP List so they could link up again.

On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If the 
top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a lower 
one, but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested 
this with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers 
getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been 
a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual 
rescan or reboot would fix it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:
I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No 
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  
Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for 
automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them back on the 
strongest sector after an AP Reboot.

On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors 
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium 
sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes 
a pretty high F/B ratio though.

-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net>
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  
It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 
I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would 
have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going 
to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Nate Burke

Seperate SSID per sector, but not the Preferred AP scan list in the SM.  
I got bit early on with that since it locks to the MAC of the AP, 
changed a sectors after a storm and had to go visit all the SM's to 
update the preferred AP List so they could link up again.



On 4/10/2017 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If the 
top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a lower 
one, but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested 
this with 3.2 in the last few months. There are a bunch of customers 
getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been 
a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual 
rescan or reboot would fix it.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be
fine.  Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just
waiting for automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them
back on the strongest sector after an AP Reboot.


On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent
sectors you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the
Cambium sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.
 It takes a pretty high F/B ratio though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: "af@afmug.com"  >
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?


We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with
ePMP.  It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight
being 20/20 I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency
reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I
would have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is
that going to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett


All on the same SSID?  Or different SSID on each sector?

I think the preferred AP list is looked at in top down order.  If the 
top one goes away (reboot or whatever) I assume you move to a lower one, 
but I don't see a rescan after x minutes option.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/10/2017 11:14:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this 
with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers 
getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been a 
good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual rescan 
or reboot would fix it.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:
I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No 
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  
Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for 
automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them back on the 
strongest sector after an AP Reboot.



On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors 
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector 
antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty 
high F/B ratio though.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  
It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I 
would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.




If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would 
have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to 
do with ePMP performance, if anything?




Paul



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Nate Burke

It'll go one direction, but not come back.  I.E. If the primary sector 
goes down, it will link to an adjoining one, but will not come back on 
it's own.  Usually I saw people hop sectors because of GPS Issues, the 
AP would drop GPS and kick everyone off if the Holdoff timer was left at 
the default 30 seconds.  I have the GPS Holdoff pushed out as far as it 
can go now, and that's pretty much solved that problem.  I don't see a 
whole lot of moving now unless the AP Reboots.


On 4/10/2017 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this 
with 3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers 
getting -75 from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been 
a good month on the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual 
rescan or reboot would fix it.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No
issues observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be
fine.  Almost all customers can see more than 1 sector. Just
waiting for automatic rescan in EPMP to automatically put them
back on the strongest sector after an AP Reboot.


On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium
sector antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It
takes a pretty high F/B ratio though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: "af@afmug.com"  >
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?


We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with
ePMP.  It was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight
being 20/20 I would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency
reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I
would have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that
going to do with ePMP performance, if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber replacing cable co

2017-04-10 Thread Jeremy

Yes, I was talking about wireless.

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Agreed. Except I think your talking about wireless
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> We have Comcast in our area.  We don't really try to compete with them.
> As far as price, our monthly cost is half of theirs.  However, their cost
> per Mbps is much much less.  Most customers in our area get between
> 25-100Mbps.  We still get a lot of people switching because they don't need
> that much speed, don't want to pay that much per month, and are tired of
> the constant price increases and customer service issues.  We always make
> Comcast customers go online and check their last few months of data usage,
> since they are virtually unlimited and we are not.  We don't even attempt
> to take Comcast business customers.  They give them 100Mbps for roughly the
> same that we charge for 10Mbps.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we did a neighborhood about two years ago that was Comcast.
>>
>> The surprising thing to me was the higher number of people just
>> 'switching' their Comcast $80+ bill to our $70 GigE rate plan.
>> No questions asked, they still saw it as a flat rate reduction and
>> applied for that rate instead of our 100Mbps $50 plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
>> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:55 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber replacing cable co
>>
>> Is anyone competing against Charter or Comcast? What's the pricing/speed
>> model?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Josh Luthman

ePMP doesn't automatically jump between sectors at all.  I tested this with
3.2 in the last few months.  There are a bunch of customers getting -75
from the south facing sector when east is -60.  It's been a good month on
the wrong sector at this point.  I expect a manual rescan or reboot would
fix it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No issues
> observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine.  Almost all
> customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for automatic rescan in
> EPMP to automatically put them back on the strongest sector after an AP
> Reboot.
>
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Disclaimer: I haven't done it.
>
> I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors you'll
> be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector antenna then
> you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio
> though.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>
> We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It was
> the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would have
> done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.
>
>
>
> If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have
> about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with ePMP
> performance, if anything?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

i think ABC is designator survivor's problem.  i think it would do well on 
another network with theinfluence
either way, i'm giving it a shot.
i am thinking 24 and homeland are two of the best suspenseful shows ever made...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  I expect Dar will get out by cutting deal.  Mr. Talk Radio will go down.  
President will try to start a war somewhere that does not go well.  

  Losing interest in Designated Survivor.  

  From: Andy Trimmell 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 7:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  I’m glad we got a glimpse of Saul finding Carrie’s war room in her house. 
Gives me hope that the hunt will start again. As for Quinn dying, really sucked 
and kinda makes me angry at the show. I show they were pushing him to recover 
as I saw tiny clues that he would come back from the stroke.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk 
radio guy took over too much.  

  The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all 
the power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to 
clean house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

  Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the 
president to get Saul cleared etc.  

  Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

  You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the 
election happened.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

  reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton 
wasn't elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

  in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

  yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

  wow.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Something good

2017-04-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

Got to watch it while waiting on all clear to enter a facilityHave seen
their videos before... Cool stuff Maynard

On Apr 10, 2017 8:22 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRj2JK5oCI#action=share
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


there is a rumor (although insane) that he isn't dead - 

* memorial service instead of a funeral
* dar telling saul to go find the man teaching classics at GW
* carrie finding great expectations along with quinn's things.

those silly writers...


  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Trimmell 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)


  I’m glad we got a glimpse of Saul finding Carrie’s war room in her house. 
Gives me hope that the hunt will start again. As for Quinn dying, really sucked 
and kinda makes me angry at the show. I show they were pushing him to recover 
as I saw tiny clues that he would come back from the stroke.

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

   

  Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk 
radio guy took over too much.  

   

  The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all 
the power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to 
clean house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

   

  Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the 
president to get Saul cleared etc.  

  Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

   

  You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the 
election happened.  

   

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

   

   

   

  so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

   

  reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton 
wasn't elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

   

  in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

   

  yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

   

  wow.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

8 of the 12 episodes.
i did a lot of googling at 2 am this morning.
i honestly thought o'keefe was modeled after rush limbaugh, but apparently he 
was modeled after steve bannon.
ha!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 8:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk 
radio guy took over too much.  

  The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all 
the power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to 
clean house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

  Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the 
president to get Saul cleared etc.  
  Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

  You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the 
election happened.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

  so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

  reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton 
wasn't elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

  in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

  yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

  wow.

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Nate Burke

I normally deploy 4 120 sectors on a tower.  ABAB frequency.  No issues 
observed  Keep 5mhz guard between AB and you should be fine. Almost all 
customers can see more than 1 sector.  Just waiting for automatic rescan 
in EPMP to automatically put them back on the strongest sector after an 
AP Reboot.



On 4/10/2017 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors 
you'll be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector 
antenna then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty 
high F/B ratio though.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It 
was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I 
would have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.


If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would 
have about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to 
do with ePMP performance, if anything?


Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Steve Jones

if you install to the outlying 15 degrees outside of the intended 90 degree
coverage, youll likely impact the other sector

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Disclaimer: I haven't done it.
>
> I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors you'll
> be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector antenna then
> you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B ratio
> though.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?
>
> We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It was
> the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would have
> done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.
>
>
>
> If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have
> about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with ePMP
> performance, if anything?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Adam Moffett


Disclaimer: I haven't done it.

I'm thinking if you put a guard band between the adjacent sectors you'll 
be fine.  If the F/B ratio is comparable to the Cambium sector antenna 
then you should be able to do F/B re-use.  It takes a pretty high F/B 
ratio though.



-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/10/2017 10:21:58 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It 
was the first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would 
have done 40 90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.




If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have 
about 30 degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with 
ePMP performance, if anything?




Paul



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] OT Something good

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRj2JK5oCI#action=share

[AFMUG] overlap on ePMP sectors ?

2017-04-10 Thread Paul McCall

We have 3 KP Performance 120 degree sectors on a tower with ePMP.  It was the 
first tower we did with ePMP, and hindsight being 20/20 I would have done 40 
90s to get the F/B Frequency reuse benefit.

If we add another 120 and make them all N S E W (4 total) I would have about 30 
degrees of overlap per sector.  What is that going to do with ePMP performance, 
if anything?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread Robert

We lost interest in DS after episode 4 after just too much stupidity... 
 But didn't realize then that it would be so realistic to the actual 
level of intelligence in the Executive office...


On 4/10/17 6:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I expect Dar will get out by cutting deal.  Mr. Talk Radio will go
down.  President will try to start a war somewhere that does not go well.

Losing interest in Designated Survivor.

*From:* Andy Trimmell
*Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 7:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)


I’m glad we got a glimpse of Saul finding Carrie’s war room in her
house. Gives me hope that the hunt will start again. As for Quinn dying,
really sucked and kinda makes me angry at the show. I show they were
pushing him to recover as I saw tiny clues that he would come back from
the stroke.







*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)



Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk
radio guy took over too much.



The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has
all the power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this
mistrust to clean house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I
am expecting.



Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the
president to get Saul cleared etc.

Too bad they killed off Quinn.



You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the
election happened.



*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:*Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*[AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)







so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on
her own assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people
she holds responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants
to be a dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.



reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton
wasn't elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to
change the direction of the season and setup for the next season or
two?  (i've heard it has already been renewed at least two more seasons)



in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole
assassination attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...



yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.



wow.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

I expect Dar will get out by cutting deal.  Mr. Talk Radio will go down.  
President will try to start a war somewhere that does not go well.  

Losing interest in Designated Survivor.  

From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 7:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

I’m glad we got a glimpse of Saul finding Carrie’s war room in her house. Gives 
me hope that the hunt will start again. As for Quinn dying, really sucked and 
kinda makes me angry at the show. I show they were pushing him to recover as I 
saw tiny clues that he would come back from the stroke.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk radio 
guy took over too much.  

The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all the 
power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to clean 
house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the president 
to get Saul cleared etc.  

Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the election 
happened.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton wasn't 
elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

wow.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread Andy Trimmell

I’m glad we got a glimpse of Saul finding Carrie’s war room in her house. Gives 
me hope that the hunt will start again. As for Quinn dying, really sucked and 
kinda makes me angry at the show. I show they were pushing him to recover as I 
saw tiny clues that he would come back from the stroke.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

 

Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk radio 
guy took over too much.  

 

The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all the 
power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to clean 
house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

 

Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the president 
to get Saul cleared etc.  

Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

 

You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the election 
happened.  

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

 

 

 

so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

 

reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton wasn't 
elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

 

in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

 

yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

 

wow.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

Yeah, apparently Dar had created the whole sock puppet unit and the talk radio 
guy took over too much.  

The president is being handled by her chief of staff who it appears has all the 
power.  She doesn’t know who to trust and he is using this mistrust to clean 
house and install folks loyal to him.  That is what I am expecting.  

Could go in the direction that Carrie now becomes an adversary to the president 
to get Saul cleared etc.  
Too bad they killed off Quinn.  

You gotta wonder how much of the show was already in the can when the election 
happened.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 11:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Homeland season finale (contains spoilers)



so - who thinks maybe the madam-president-elect might have been in on her own 
assassination attempt in order to take out so many of the people she holds 
responsible for slandering her son's memory?  maybe she wants to be a 
dictator...she sure seemed emotionless in the final scenes.

reading in between the lines - writers of homeland aren't happy clinton wasn't 
elected and they're having to "save face"  what better way to change the 
direction of the season and setup for the next season or two?  (i've heard it 
has already been renewed at least two more seasons)

in hind sight, she did seem completely surprised by the whole assassination 
attempt and was only saved because (get this) dar called...

yes - you read that right - dar saved her life.

wow.

Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

As far as numbering went, they would do a 2.5N type of thing.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 9:23 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

One has to ask... 

How did they deal with those situations in which a cable cut or other similar 
event necessitated the addition of another ped in the middle?

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Everybody has their own numbering system.  One company I worked for had 
things like 3E4SW2N  so that would be starting from the C.O.  3peds East, 4 
southwest, 2 north.  One just ran sequential numbers.  Different engineering 
companies have their own numbering standards if the customer does not specify.  

  From: Brian Webster 
  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 7:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  When I was helping on the Google fiber designs (working for Ericsson), the 
distances were measured by what they called stationing distances. This was 
usually a distance from a given starting point be in a CO or fiber hut or other 
logical origination. It was measured in feet and had its own notation/number 
system. Engineering drawing for the build always show the stationing distance 
for things like poles, vaults and such. It was linear distance and not 
cable/fiber distance. This gives you a fixed point anywhere along the plant 
even when the fiber lengths may change due to cuts and such. Chuck can probably 
explain the numbering system better. I would then add fields for fiber length 
and OTDR test measurements in the database records. Ericsson has an outside 
plant database and GIS system and that was how they set things up. It was very 
elaborate to the point of managing fibers/circuits, butterfly diagrams for 
manhole/vault layouts with all the ports and fiber bundles, cross connect and 
splice points, etc. The backed database was large and had many relationships.

  Found some documentation I had when learning about stationing.

  Stationing is the fundamental system of measurement used for road layout and 
construction. Stations are reference points that are placed along the 
horizontal measurement of a route centerline or a baseline at some regular 
interval. Generally, the distance between two adjoining stations along a route 
is 100 feet. The first station located at the beginning of the baseline is 
0+00, and the next station located 100 feet from it is 1+00. Therefore, a 
station number of 10+34.05 denotes 1,034.05 feet (10*100 + 34.05) from the 
starting station.

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  No, that whole route is there.  All the details are on that sheet.  It is a 4 
strand cable that is spliced at cherry and apple handhole

  From: Adam Moffett 

  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 5:52 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  It seems like the book starts with the endpoints at the COwhich makes 
sense because that's where you'll start troubleshooting from.

  Would there be a separate book for whatever cable is carrying strand 3 from 
Cherry and Apple to VPres ?

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chuck McCown" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 4/7/2017 11:16:39 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

See if you can open this:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-W9J8tPanuAeU1Lc3BDYWlVSjg

Very rudimentary.  But you can see that some of the strands on the cable go 
clear to the end.

Other strands are cut at a hand hole and spliced to another cable.

The other cable is shown at the far right.  The >< symbols show it is 
spliced to a different cable.  You connect the > to the < as you jump  over 
handholes that are not part of the circuit for that strand.

The – is a splice.  The 0 or dot is the end termination.  I used to have 
lots of color coding etc.  I could not find any of the old copper cable books 
for an example so I hacked this example out.  

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

One column per splice.then you just type in the footage(s).

Gee that makes sense.  It's as if you've done this before.

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/7/2017 10:31:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  A spreadsheet works pretty well.  

  One line per strand.  Have fields at the left for details about the 
circuit, customer, type of optics etc.

  Then columns can represent footage to the splice with one column per 
splice.  You can even represent other cables being spliced

Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

2017-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown

A new column.  In the old paper records you either split a column or you 
recreated the page.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2017 9:23 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

One has to ask... 

How did they deal with those situations in which a cable cut or other similar 
event necessitated the addition of another ped in the middle?

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Everybody has their own numbering system.  One company I worked for had 
things like 3E4SW2N  so that would be starting from the C.O.  3peds East, 4 
southwest, 2 north.  One just ran sequential numbers.  Different engineering 
companies have their own numbering standards if the customer does not specify.  

  From: Brian Webster 
  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 7:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  When I was helping on the Google fiber designs (working for Ericsson), the 
distances were measured by what they called stationing distances. This was 
usually a distance from a given starting point be in a CO or fiber hut or other 
logical origination. It was measured in feet and had its own notation/number 
system. Engineering drawing for the build always show the stationing distance 
for things like poles, vaults and such. It was linear distance and not 
cable/fiber distance. This gives you a fixed point anywhere along the plant 
even when the fiber lengths may change due to cuts and such. Chuck can probably 
explain the numbering system better. I would then add fields for fiber length 
and OTDR test measurements in the database records. Ericsson has an outside 
plant database and GIS system and that was how they set things up. It was very 
elaborate to the point of managing fibers/circuits, butterfly diagrams for 
manhole/vault layouts with all the ports and fiber bundles, cross connect and 
splice points, etc. The backed database was large and had many relationships.

  Found some documentation I had when learning about stationing.

  Stationing is the fundamental system of measurement used for road layout and 
construction. Stations are reference points that are placed along the 
horizontal measurement of a route centerline or a baseline at some regular 
interval. Generally, the distance between two adjoining stations along a route 
is 100 feet. The first station located at the beginning of the baseline is 
0+00, and the next station located 100 feet from it is 1+00. Therefore, a 
station number of 10+34.05 denotes 1,034.05 feet (10*100 + 34.05) from the 
starting station.

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 10:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  No, that whole route is there.  All the details are on that sheet.  It is a 4 
strand cable that is spliced at cherry and apple handhole

  From: Adam Moffett 

  Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 5:52 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  It seems like the book starts with the endpoints at the COwhich makes 
sense because that's where you'll start troubleshooting from.

  Would there be a separate book for whatever cable is carrying strand 3 from 
Cherry and Apple to VPres ?

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chuck McCown" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 4/7/2017 11:16:39 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

See if you can open this:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-W9J8tPanuAeU1Lc3BDYWlVSjg

Very rudimentary.  But you can see that some of the strands on the cable go 
clear to the end.

Other strands are cut at a hand hole and spliced to another cable.

The other cable is shown at the far right.  The >< symbols show it is 
spliced to a different cable.  You connect the > to the < as you jump  over 
handholes that are not part of the circuit for that strand.

The – is a splice.  The 0 or dot is the end termination.  I used to have 
lots of color coding etc.  I could not find any of the old copper cable books 
for an example so I hacked this example out.  

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 8:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

One column per splice.then you just type in the footage(s).

Gee that makes sense.  It's as if you've done this before.

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 4/7/2017 10:31:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable documentation

  A spreadsheet works pretty well.  

  One line per strand.  Have fields at the left for details about the 
circuit, customer, type of optics etc.

  Then columns can represent footage to the splice with one column per 
splice.  You can even

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