Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Here's what I think is a more apt comparison, using your analogy:

Let's assume that Joe's beer company wins an exclusive beer supply to a
bar.   In order to deliver the beer that the bar needs, Joe needs access to
a specific loading zone during a specific window of time.  Joe knows that
the loading zone is typically unoccupied and he only really needs access to
it for a few minutes during the window, so he's not worried.

Enter Fred of Fred's beer company.   Fred is mightily pissed about Joe
winning that contract.   So pissed that he decides to start occupying that
loading zone throughout the entire window that Joe needs it to deliver the
beer.   Because of this, Joe is unable to fulfill the terms of his contract
- specifically because of the action of Fred.

In this scenario, I suspect that Joe may have legal recourse against Fred,
even though the loading zone was public property.   But, I'm not convinced
that the use of a shared public resource (say if Fred also has to use that
same loading zone to deliver to a bar next door, and it prevents Joe from
delivering his beer).   I suspect that Part 15 use is more of the latter
and less of the former.   It's a shared resource and common use of that
resource is expected.  On the other hand, putting up a radio in test mode
and pointing it at your competitor's radio may more like Fred's malicious
tying up of the loading zone, and I suspect might subject you to a contract
interference claim.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:10 PM, James Howard  wrote:

> Am I off-base in thinking that this would be a valid comparison?  (made up
> of course)
>
>
>
> A company sets up a contract to deliver beer to a bar down the street that
> requires exclusive use of the street they are both on to be able to deliver
> the quantity of beer that’s promised.  They then send out a letter to
> everyone else on that street telling them that they are being warned that
> if they use the street it will interfere with that contract and their
> ability to fulfill it and will face legal action.
>
>
>
>
>
> Seems to me that if someone wants to claim exclusive use of something they
> need to actually own it.  In the example I gave, the company could buy all
> the property between themselves and their client and build their own road
> but they can’t claim exclusive rights to the public road.  If they want
> exclusive rights to RF they need to get licensed frequencies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 3:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
> This has been tried many times and has always failed.
>
> The law of the commons.
>
>
>
> http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-
> historical-concept-property-rights
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons
>
>
>
> They have no rights to exclusive use.
>
> You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever
> gets filed.
>
> Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the
> commons.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims.
> Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference
> case.
>
> The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Brett A Mansfield]

Stupid autocorrect. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:04 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> What's a Rohan style one??
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole 
>> style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brett,
>>> 
>>> You make the COWS? How tall?
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
  wrote:
 I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom 
 for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if 
 you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only 
 takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. 
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from 
> an acquisition in Texas.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I 
>> think about 6 months ago...
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Brett A Mansfield]

That’s odd. Nobody’s ever reported that issue before. I modified the spf 
record. Try it again. If it doesn’t work you can also email me at 
br...@sliutah.com.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> I tried:
> 
> " SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT 
> TO::
> 550 5.7.23 Sender's SPF Policy Failure"
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> Hahaha, that was good.
>> 
>> Anyone that would like a quote please send me an email to 
>> br...@silverlakeinternet.com. 
>> 
>> We use the best quality materials, and we manufacture to any spec desired. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
>>> 
>>> Quote me
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> @gvillarini
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for 
>>> the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you 
>>> want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 
>>> 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from 
>>> an acquisition in Texas.
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>> 
 someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I 
 think about 6 months ago...
 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

[Jon Lee]

Thanks for the Welcome.

Lewis, that's an impressive SRB! In and out of the Corps.

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Jaime Solorza]

I have thinking on make one similar to this one
https://goo.gl/images/aDS2Ai

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 2, 2018 8:36 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I'd like one 2000' tall but it's a rip off if it costs more than a buck 'o
> eight. Why? Because I'm a WISP that's why.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/2/2018 8:29:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
>
> They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding
> monopole style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Brett,
>
> You make the COWS? How tall?
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom
>> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if
>> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only
>> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
>> an acquisition in Texas.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
>>> think about 6 months ago...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>




 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Kopacetic Kool Kat Group

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks Lewis...

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 2, 2018 7:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> ~$500 per link the way I do it but Probably more than $1500 the way you do
> it. I run the path, export to Google Earth, then if any point is less than
> 50' from the ground I'll go look at those points if I don't know the area
> really well.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> How much do you guys charge to do a path analysis for a project with 4
>> PTP links? For 5GHz and 11GHz for example.  I got to location and take GPS
>> readings from each site.  Take measurements of roof heights, drive the
>> paths and take pictures of possible obstruction with height estimate and
>> size  Once I have this information I input data to path profile
>> software and run the path.  I make adjustments on tower heights where
>> required to achieve a clean path if possible.  I input radio information
>> and get an expected RSL performance within my fade margin requirements.  I
>> provide client several pages and plots with recommendations.   My prices
>> range from 350.00 to 1500.00 per link.
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've ended up settling (for the most part) on a service called Veem for my
international wires.  Inexpensive & easy.

It sounds like the status of the ACH services are roughly like I thought
they were.   I'll do some digging on the bill pay side--I know my primary
bank doesn't have ACH recipient as an option, but maybe one of my secondary
banks do.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.  Zions has that too.  The other thing I am
> talking about is more for overseas wire transfers.
>
> *From:* David Sovereen
> *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 10:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>
> Two of our the three banks we work with have this capability built into
> their basic Online Bill Pay functionality.  For the one I am most familiar
> with, I have to choose that I am paying an individual instead of a company,
> and then there is an option presented to make an electronic payment by
> entering their routing and account number.  Works perfectly.
>
> *David Sovereen*
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
> 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
> 989.837.3790 <(989)%20837-3790> x151 office | 888.866.4638
> <(888)%20866-4638> toll free |  989.837.3780 <(989)%20837-3780> fax
>
> Telephone *|  *Internet*  |  *Security Alarm Monitoring
>
> david.sover...@mercury.net
> www.mercury.net
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   wrote:
>
> We used to have this capability with Zions.
>
> We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are
> supposed to go to the local branch and do the first one there to make sure
> it goes right or if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>
> I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
> originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in
> my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill
> out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on
> and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with
> Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they
> can't originate (pull) the payment either.
>
> I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow
> me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a
> reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account
> with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana),
> or using some other reasonable option.
>
> So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive,
> or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products
> require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).
>
> Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/2/18 6:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for 
their 5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the 
area I currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly 
changed their business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the 
laws of physics...



They're just blanket killing them all.

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Jeremy]

I tried:

" SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<
br...@silverlakeinternet.com>:
550 5.7.23 Sender's SPF Policy Failure"

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Hahaha, that was good.
>
> Anyone that would like a quote please send me an email to
> br...@silverlakeinternet.com.
>
> We use the best quality materials, and we manufacture to any spec desired.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> "Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
>
> Quote me
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom
> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if
> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only
> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
> an acquisition in Texas.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
>> think about 6 months ago...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[TJ Trout]

What's a Rohan style one??

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding
> monopole style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Brett,
>
> You make the COWS? How tall?
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom
>> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if
>> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only
>> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
>> an acquisition in Texas.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
>>> think about 6 months ago...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>




 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT wind

[TJ Trout]

You don't have battery backup haaha

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Twice today the winds caused us to lose one phase at our shop.
>
> Odd the things that work and don’t work on two phases.
> The 208 lights and my car charger work.
> The 277 lights don’t.
> Welders can start but not run.
> 65 volts on the receptacles in my office.
>
> Most importantly the soda fountain with the Coke Zero does not work.
>
> I gave up and went home after the second outage.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Adam Moffett]

I'd like one 2000' tall but it's a rip off if it costs more than a buck 
'o eight. Why? Because I'm a WISP that's why.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 8:29:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding 
monopole style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:



Brett,

You make the COWS? How tall?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
I recently started a company with my brother where we make these 
custom for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let 
me know if you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every 
budget and it only takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them 
from an acquisition in Texas.


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA 
list I think about 6 months ago...


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:






Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Kopacetic Kool Kat Group

[Lewis Bergman]

~$500 per link the way I do it but Probably more than $1500 the way you do
it. I run the path, export to Google Earth, then if any point is less than
50' from the ground I'll go look at those points if I don't know the area
really well.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> How much do you guys charge to do a path analysis for a project with 4 PTP
> links? For 5GHz and 11GHz for example.  I got to location and take GPS
> readings from each site.  Take measurements of roof heights, drive the
> paths and take pictures of possible obstruction with height estimate and
> size  Once I have this information I input data to path profile
> software and run the path.  I make adjustments on tower heights where
> required to achieve a clean path if possible.  I input radio information
> and get an expected RSL performance within my fade margin requirements.  I
> provide client several pages and plots with recommendations.   My prices
> range from 350.00 to 1500.00 per link.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT wind

[Jaime Solorza]

Coke Zero?  Yuk

Jaime Solorza

On Mar 2, 2018 5:10 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Twice today the winds caused us to lose one phase at our shop.
>
> Odd the things that work and don’t work on two phases.
> The 208 lights and my car charger work.
> The 277 lights don’t.
> Welders can start but not run.
> 65 volts on the receptacles in my office.
>
> Most importantly the soda fountain with the Coke Zero does not work.
>
> I gave up and went home after the second outage.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Jason McKemie]

Just got the letter today.  They say they're going to be using it for their
5G deployment - they won't be using it for that anywhere near the area I
currently have the link deployed unless they've significantly changed their
business plan or have figured out how to circumvent the laws of physics...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:17 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>> <#m_4073185338504277326_m_3002860893322560380_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>>
>>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Brett A Mansfield]

Hahaha, that was good.

Anyone that would like a quote please send me an email to 
br...@silverlakeinternet.com. 

We use the best quality materials, and we manufacture to any spec desired. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> "Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy
> 
> Quote me
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for 
> the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want 
> to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 
> weeks to manufacture and deliver. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
> acquisition in Texas.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
>> about 6 months ago...
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Brett A Mansfield]

They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole 
style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Brett,
> 
> You make the COWS? How tall?
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for 
>> the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you 
>> want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 
>> 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from 
>>> an acquisition in Texas.
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>> 
 someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I 
 think about 6 months ago...
 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mike Hammett]

I don't see them claiming an exclusive right in the commons. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 5:19:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 




Put part 15 proves they are operating in “the commons”. 
And a claim to exclusive right to “the commons” is a fool’s errand. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:34 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 


I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 




This has been tried many times and has always failed. 
The law of the commons. 

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons 

They have no rights to exclusive use. 
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed. 
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 


I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case. 

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 





Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing. 
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!” 

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Dan Spitler]

Interesting. Guessing that's only for one unit? We spoke with them a 
while back about their 28GHz stuff, then Verizon came along. Been 
patiently waiting for their 60GHz stuff since. Do you have a contact 
there? Our last one seems to have disappeared.


-Dan


On 03/02/2018 02:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

$2500

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Mar 2, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:



Interesting... I wonder what they cost.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
> 
wrote:


Wow, I want these. Are they available yet?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie
> wrote:



http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf



On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:

Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini
> wrote:

Thanks to Andreas for the pic


*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mike Hammett]

Yes 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 5:01:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 



so they are transport? 



- Original Message - 
From: Jesse DuPont 
To: Animal Farm 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 

At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most are 100-200 
Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a pair of GigE waves to 
their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming. 




Jesse DuPont 

Network Architect 
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net 
Celerity Networks LLC 
Celerity Broadband LLC 
Like us! facebook.com / celeritynetworksllc 
Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband 

On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



The information he has is probably four years old. 

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment? 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[James Howard]

Am I off-base in thinking that this would be a valid comparison?  (made up of 
course)

A company sets up a contract to deliver beer to a bar down the street that 
requires exclusive use of the street they are both on to be able to deliver the 
quantity of beer that’s promised.  They then send out a letter to everyone else 
on that street telling them that they are being warned that if they use the 
street it will interfere with that contract and their ability to fulfill it and 
will face legal action.


Seems to me that if someone wants to claim exclusive use of something they need 
to actually own it.  In the example I gave, the company could buy all the 
property between themselves and their client and build their own road but they 
can’t claim exclusive rights to the public road.  If they want exclusive rights 
to RF they need to get licensed frequencies.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
This has been tried many times and has always failed.
The law of the commons.

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons

They have no rights to exclusive use.
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed.
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons.


From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”




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To: 

[AFMUG] OT wind

[Chuck McCown]

Twice today the winds caused us to lose one phase at our shop.  

Odd the things that work and don’t work on two phases.  
The 208 lights and my car charger work.
The 277 lights don’t.
Welders can start but not run.
65 volts on the receptacles in my office.  

Most importantly the soda fountain with the Coke Zero does not work.

I gave up and went home after the second outage.  

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Mike Hammett]

"Quote me" - Gino A. Villarini 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 4:16:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy 

Quote me 


Gino A. Villarini 
@gvillarini 












Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
wrote: 




I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the 
same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to 
buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to 
manufacture and deliver. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 





I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
acquisition in Texas. 


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
about 6 months ago... 


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
wrote: 










Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

[AFMUG] Question for the Kopacetic Kool Kat Group

[Jaime Solorza]

How much do you guys charge to do a path analysis for a project with 4 PTP
links? For 5GHz and 11GHz for example.  I got to location and take GPS
readings from each site.  Take measurements of roof heights, drive the
paths and take pictures of possible obstruction with height estimate and
size  Once I have this information I input data to path profile
software and run the path.  I make adjustments on tower heights where
required to achieve a clean path if possible.  I input radio information
and get an expected RSL performance within my fade margin requirements.  I
provide client several pages and plots with recommendations.   My prices
range from 350.00 to 1500.00 per link.

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[chuck]

Put part 15 proves they are operating in “the commons”.  
And a claim to exclusive right to “the commons” is a fool’s errand.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


This has been tried many times and has always failed.  
The law of the commons.  

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons

They have no rights to exclusive use.  
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed.  
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons.  


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet






Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] Google Drive - More

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

google can't survive off your $1.99 / month chump change.  they want your $10  
lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:26 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Google Drive - More


  So, I buy the 130 GB for $1.99/month

  It has been complaining that I am running out of room and need to upgrade to 
the $10/month plan.  
  Been working on whittling down the amount of useless crap I am hording there. 
 I kept noticing that if I do properties of the folder where I have it stored 
on a D: drive it shows 75 MB but Google claims almost twice that.  

  I discovered that if you delete a file, that file does not come off of your 
usage total.  You have to go to Google Drive in a browser, go into the trash 
folder and click the delete all trash button.  

  However if you have a bazillion files in there it does not want to cooperate.
  I think I am getting it to work on my cell phone.  But the computer just sits 
and spins.  

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mathew Howard]

That argument might work if somebody is putting up stuff specifically for
the purpose of interfering... but otherwise, it just isn't going to work.
You can't sue somebody for using public resources that they have every bit
as much right to use as you do, just because you happened to be there first.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Hmm...If I made a contract saying I'd deliver 'X' performance to a
> business, and I used a part-15 unlicensed radio, and someone came along and
> their radio reduced my SNR; then yeah I suppose the radio interfering party
> is also "interfering" with my contract.  I could also switch that client to
> another band (2.4ghz, 24ghz, etc) to meet the obligations in my contract.
> If all else failed I could meet my obligations by buying them cable or
> fiber.  It would suck, and I'd lose money on the deal, but I could do it.
> The terms of my contract can't alter FCC rules for radios.  Just as an
> example, a contract between Adam Moffett and Verizon couldn't compel Mike
> Hammett to alter his otherwise perfectly legal behavior.  Now suppose
> forcing Mike Hammett to alter his behavior would give Verizon a competitive
> advantage in gaining and retaining me as a customer.
>
> I think I see what you're saying w/ regards to what they are saying about
> contract interference.  I should hope no court sees it their way.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/2/2018 1:47:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
> I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims.
> Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference
> case.
>
> The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

so they are transport?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jesse DuPont 
  To: Animal Farm 
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


  At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most are 100-200 
Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a pair of GigE waves to 
their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming.


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


  On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The information he has is probably four years old.

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can 
move 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Gino A. Villarini]

$2500

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 2, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:

Interesting... I wonder what they cost.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
Wow, I want these. Are they available yet?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:

http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-product-specification-v4.pdf

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
Thanks to Andreas for the pic





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Robert Andrews]

They better start sending those letters to residential 5 GHz 
transmitters and business transmitters too...   I mean Omni's 
potentially only a 100 feet away from a CPE!!!


On 03/02/2018 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference 
case.


The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Rory Conaway" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an 
inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

/“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”/

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Dennis Burgess]

Good analogy.

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:21 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, but isn't that kind of like trying to sue somebody because they're 
driving too slow on the highway and causing you to be late for a job?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[David Coudron]

I am far from a lawyer (I don’t even play one on TV  )   however, I can’t 
imagine this would go very far.   By definition, the unlicensed band does not 
require coordination or avoidance of anyone else’s use of band as I far as I 
know.  What is considered to be neighborly isn’t required by any means.   While 
there may be an inkling of an argument about contract interference, I would 
find that analogous to a business claiming that someone else’s use of the 
interstate highway in a legal manner interferes with their ability to deliver 
goods on time.   As far as I know there certainly isn’t a legal precedent for 
that kind of claim.

However, if the interfering party is outside of FCC limits for EIRP or 
something like that, the validity of the contract interference claim may 
change…..

Regards,

David Coudron


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Hmm...If I made a contract saying I'd deliver 'X' performance to a business, 
and I used a part-15 unlicensed radio, and someone came along and their radio 
reduced my SNR; then yeah I suppose the radio interfering party is also 
"interfering" with my contract.  I could also switch that client to another 
band (2.4ghz, 24ghz, etc) to meet the obligations in my contract.  If all else 
failed I could meet my obligations by buying them cable or fiber.  It would 
suck, and I'd lose money on the deal, but I could do it.  The terms of my 
contract can't alter FCC rules for radios.  Just as an example, a contract 
between Adam Moffett and Verizon couldn't compel Mike Hammett to alter his 
otherwise perfectly legal behavior.  Now suppose forcing Mike Hammett to alter 
his behavior would give Verizon a competitive advantage in gaining and 
retaining me as a customer.

I think I see what you're saying w/ regards to what they are saying about 
contract interference.  I should hope no court sees it their way.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 1:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not saying that I support with or agree with their claim, just that their 
claim isn't based on FCC regulations at all. 

Take their situation and transplant it to the equivalent worlds of coax, 
twisted pair and glass. What happens then? Can equivalencies be made? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 3:01:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 


Hmm...If I made a contract saying I'd deliver 'X' performance to a business, 
and I used a part-15 unlicensed radio, and someone came along and their radio 
reduced my SNR; then yeah I suppose the radio interfering party is also 
"interfering" with my contract. I could also switch that client to another band 
(2.4ghz, 24ghz, etc) to meet the obligations in my contract. If all else failed 
I could meet my obligations by buying them cable or fiber. It would suck, and 
I'd lose money on the deal, but I could do it. The terms of my contract can't 
alter FCC rules for radios. Just as an example, a contract between Adam Moffett 
and Verizon couldn't compel Mike Hammett to alter his otherwise perfectly legal 
behavior. Now suppose forcing Mike Hammett to alter his behavior would give 
Verizon a competitive advantage in gaining and retaining me as a customer. 


I think I see what you're saying w/ regards to what they are saying about 
contract interference. I should hope no court sees it their way. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/2/2018 1:47:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 





I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case. 

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 





Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing. 
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!” 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Gino A. Villarini]

Quote me

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini






Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:

I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the 
same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to 
buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to 
manufacture and deliver.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:

I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
acquisition in Texas.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
about 6 months ago...

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Rory Conaway]

Cool.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get 
reinstated

i had to call and get them to straighten it out that way.  i had everything 
checked correctly in the web portal but i wasn't getting any messages.  phone 
call fixed it all.

-sean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:22 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no 
problem.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

[AFMUG] Memcached

[Mike Hammett]

You are blocking port 11211, right? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not sure part-15 has anything to do with their claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:03:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 




This has been tried many times and has always failed. 
The law of the commons. 

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons 

They have no rights to exclusive use. 
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed. 
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 


I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case. 

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 





Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing. 
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!” 

Re: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

[Mike Hammett]

Right. The literature they sent me today said this: 

(OccamView, the management system for B-Series, will be integrated into CMS) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Robert Haas"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 1:56:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix 



CMS replaces Occamview. I know we had an issue with some of the older ONT’s but 
once that was sorted out we turned down Occamview 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 12:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix 


Has OccamView been integrated into Calix Management System yet? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Brett,

You make the COWS? How tall?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom
> for the same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if
> you want to buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only
> takes 2 weeks to manufacture and deliver.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
> an acquisition in Texas.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
>> think about 6 months ago...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Google Drive - More

[Chuck McCown]

So, I buy the 130 GB for $1.99/month

It has been complaining that I am running out of room and need to upgrade to 
the $10/month plan.  
Been working on whittling down the amount of useless crap I am hording there.  
I kept noticing that if I do properties of the folder where I have it stored on 
a D: drive it shows 75 MB but Google claims almost twice that.  

I discovered that if you delete a file, that file does not come off of your 
usage total.  You have to go to Google Drive in a browser, go into the trash 
folder and click the delete all trash button.  

However if you have a bazillion files in there it does not want to cooperate.
I think I am getting it to work on my cell phone.  But the computer just sits 
and spins.  

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but isn't that kind of like trying to sue somebody because they're
driving too slow on the highway and causing you to be late for a job?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims.
> Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference
> case.
>
> The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
At my telco day job, we have several circuits to cell sites; most
are 100-200 Mbps capacity on 1G phy, but they all aggregate to a
pair of GigE waves to their MSC. Rural north-central Wyoming.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 3/2/18 9:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:


  
  The information he has is probably four
years old.

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint
tower can move 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.


  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent
Computing Solutions
  
  Midwest Internet
Exchange
  
  The Brothers WISP
  


  


From:
  "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth
  requirement
  
  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday
as he was installing a 1gig fiber circuit for me and he
started talking about how un-common it was to be seeing a 1
gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell
phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and
he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds
to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all
the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to
are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones
are about 300meg circuits."


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is
  only using that much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here
  county population is only 45,000 and the city populations
  are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so
  why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower
  with some Air Fiber equipment?
  


  


  

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Adam Moffett]

Hmm...If I made a contract saying I'd deliver 'X' performance to a 
business, and I used a part-15 unlicensed radio, and someone came along 
and their radio reduced my SNR; then yeah I suppose the radio 
interfering party is also "interfering" with my contract.  I could also 
switch that client to another band (2.4ghz, 24ghz, etc) to meet the 
obligations in my contract.  If all else failed I could meet my 
obligations by buying them cable or fiber.  It would suck, and I'd lose 
money on the deal, but I could do it.  The terms of my contract can't 
alter FCC rules for radios.  Just as an example, a contract between Adam 
Moffett and Verizon couldn't compel Mike Hammett to alter his otherwise 
perfectly legal behavior.  Now suppose forcing Mike Hammett to alter his 
behavior would give Verizon a competitive advantage in gaining and 
retaining me as a customer.


I think I see what you're saying w/ regards to what they are saying 
about contract interference.  I should hope no court sees it their way.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 1:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical 
claims. Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract 
interference case.


The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet





Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make 
an inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.




Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Sean Heskett]

i had to call and get them to straighten it out that way.  i had everything
checked correctly in the web portal but i wasn't getting any messages.
 phone call fixed it all.

-sean


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:22 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no
> problem.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Chuck McCown]

This has been tried many times and has always failed.  
The law of the commons.  

http://wealthofthecommons.org/essay/commons-%E2%80%93-historical-concept-property-rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons

They have no rights to exclusive use.  
You can protect yourself pro se against a ridiculous complaint if one ever gets 
filed.  
Just cite part 15 chapter and verse and make reference to the law of the 
commons.  


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case.

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet






Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

[AFMUG] [FS] Telrad 3.65 EnB + antenna + GPS

[Sean Heskett]

Hello Gang,

we have for sale three of the following:

Telrad 3.65GHz EnB + 90* antenna + GPS = $4,000/each

TGIF - Cheers

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

[Robert Haas]

CMS replaces Occamview. I know we had an issue with some of the older ONT’s but 
once that was sorted out we turned down Occamview

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Occam\Calix

 

Has OccamView been integrated into Calix Management System yet?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Mike Hammett]

I was going to bring up that their product looks good on paper. I haven't gone 
any further with it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve D"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:55:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space? 


Redline makes a product that is both very real and performs. Not as expensive 
as those others, but ubnt guys don't even apply, LTE and Cambium 450 guys 
should be able to swallow that pill but it's bazillion times past anything 
carlson or airspan have made yet and it's real company that answers the damn 
phone! It's been a regulatory nightmare, but 900mhz does. not. come. close. to 
going where this goes. 



Y'all need to be fighting for this and not giving up so easily because it 
CANNOT sit dead on the vine like this, and unfortunately for me, I'm not in FCC 
land so all I can do is flail my arms and tell you to push. Get the TV guys 
kicked out so you can have the channel sizes (via bonding) and this stuff will 
be amazing. 


Our test deployment has been fantastic and we have dozens of places I wish we 
could just start slapping it up. 


-Steve D 


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed by 
wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University. 




On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 



Too little, too late. 5Mhz (usable) channels. Even with bonding multiple 
channels together it’s not much bandwidth. NAB successfully killed it by 
insisting on way too strict OOB filtering. Carlson didn’t help it any with 
vaporware. And now we have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a bad 
model because it didn’t work in whitespace. Sometime you can’t win. 


Mark 





On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor rules 
and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of stuff, isn't 
really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018 


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went 
silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something happenning? 

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Chuck McCown]

Most of our 100 Mb tower customers are asking about dark fiber and other 
options.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

Most of the contracts I have seen were for 100Mbps at the time and 1Gb in a few 
years.   It’s been a few years since I have seen a contract though.   

So the guy was probably right that he installed 100Mb service, but it’s likely 
been upgraded since.

Mark



  On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  The information he has is probably four years old.

  They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement


  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

  Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Mike Hammett]

I think the key here is that Airebeam isn't making any technical claims. 
Nothing about the FCC or Part 15. They're making a contract interference case. 

The use of part-15 *may* be irrelevant in this claim. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:39:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet 





Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing. 
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!” 

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Keefe John]

We still see T1s and no fiber at some rural sites.

Keefw

On March 2, 2018 11:04:40 AM CST, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>We are technically rural but in reality we are high density suburban.  
>
>From: Mathew Howard 
>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:14 AM
>To: af 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement
>
>I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell
>towers, but 100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:
>
>I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a
>1gig fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it
>was to be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what
>about the cell phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them
>and he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to
>them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint,
>T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are all like 100meg and
>he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg circuits." 
>
>Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that
>much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only
>45,000 and the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really
>be true? And if so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell
>tower with some Air Fiber equipment?

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Mike Hammett]

I'll check with the state. 

I would consider the over-bill to be sizable, so I'm not afraid to put in some 
time to get it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Clint Wiley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:42:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes 

Maybe. I had an ILEC come after us for something they under billed. They hit us 
with a large lump sum for years and years worth of charges. I would imagine you 
could do the same if your ICA is ambitious. You may also need to check your 
state regulations as they may contain some limits on utility back charges. 


Thanks, 
_ 
Clint Wiley 
Hagerstown Fiber Internet 




On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I looked into that this morning and didn't see much for time frames for billing 
disputes, which maybe is a good thing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Clint Wiley" < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:27:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes 

Are you talking about disputes with an ILEC? If so, it should be covered in 
your ICA. 


Thanks, 
_ 
Clint Wiley 
Hagerstown Fiber Internet 




On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

[AFMUG] Occam\Calix

[Mike Hammett]

Has OccamView been integrated into Calix Management System yet? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.  Zions has that too.  The other thing I am 
talking about is more for overseas wire transfers.  

From: David Sovereen 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

Two of our the three banks we work with have this capability built into their 
basic Online Bill Pay functionality.  For the one I am most familiar with, I 
have to choose that I am paying an individual instead of a company, and then 
there is an option presented to make an electronic payment by entering their 
routing and account number.  Works perfectly. 

David Sovereen
 
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
 
Telephone |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring

david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net


 


  On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   wrote:

  We used to have this capability with Zions.  

  We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are supposed 
to go to the local branch and do the first one there to make sure it goes right 
or if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

  I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to 
originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in my 
opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill out forms 
and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on and on.  More 
and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with Cash/Check and many won't 
accept credit card payments, and of course they can't originate (pull) the 
payment either. 

  I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow me 
to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a 
reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account with 
a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana), or using 
some other reasonable option.

  So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive, or 
require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products require 
a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).

  Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Brett A Mansfield]

I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the 
same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to 
buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to 
manufacture and deliver. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
> acquisition in Texas.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
>> about 6 months ago...
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Steve D]

Redline makes a product that is both very real and performs.  Not as
expensive as those others, but  ubnt guys don't even apply, LTE and Cambium
450 guys should be able to swallow that pill but it's bazillion times past
anything carlson or airspan have made yet and it's real company that
answers the damn phone!  It's been a regulatory nightmare, but 900mhz does.
not. come. close. to going where this goes.

Y'all need to be fighting for this and not giving up so easily because it
CANNOT sit dead on the vine like this, and unfortunately for me, I'm not in
FCC land so all I can do is flail my arms and tell you to push.  Get the TV
guys kicked out so you can have the channel sizes (via bonding) and this
stuff will be amazing.

Our test deployment has been fantastic and we have dozens of places I wish
we could just start slapping it up.

-Steve D

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed
> by wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Too little, too late.  5Mhz (usable) channels.  Even with bonding
>> multiple channels together it’s not much bandwidth.   NAB successfully
>> killed it by insisting on way too strict OOB filtering.  Carlson didn’t
>> help it any with vaporware.  And now we have NAB running around saying
>> shared spectrum is a bad model because it didn’t work in whitespace.
>> Sometime you can’t win.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>> The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor
>> rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of
>> stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do
>> 3-20mbps in 2018
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
>>> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
>>> happenning?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mark Radabaugh]

Most of the contracts I have seen were for 100Mbps at the time and 1Gb in a few 
years.   It’s been a few years since I have seen a contract though.  

So the guy was probably right that he installed 100Mb service, but it’s likely 
been upgraded since.

Mark


> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> The information he has is probably four years old.
> 
> They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
> 1.3 gigs, with some doing more.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>  
> 
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> 
> 
>  
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement
> 
> I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
> fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
> seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
> towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
> usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? 
> And he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to 
> are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
> circuits."
> 
> Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
> bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
> city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so 
> why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
> equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Jay,

Wow,  wish  the vendor that sold me mine was that nice.  We lost about
$6K on our deal.

-- 
Best regards,
 Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

--

Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:48:43 AM, you wrote:

JW> Being sandwiched between two medium sized cities left us with few 
JW> channels as well.  One of the few vendors that sell white space 
JW> equipment even was nice enough to tell me don't even bother with his 
JW> product line.

JW> Jeremy wrote:
>> We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all 
>> claimed by wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh > > wrote:
>>
>> Too little, too late.  5Mhz (usable) channels.  Even with bonding
>> multiple channels together it’s not much bandwidth.   NAB
>> successfully killed it by insisting on way too strict OOB
>> filtering.  Carlson didn’t help it any with vaporware.  And now we
>> have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a bad model
>> because it didn’t work in whitespace.  Sometime you can’t win.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of
>>> the poor rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want
>>> to do IOT type of stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband
>>> when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but
>>> then it went silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is
>>> there still something happenning?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>>   Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>> 
>>  
>>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Adam Moffett]

I would have assumed more.
If they installed at 100meg on a 1G physical interface and then turned 
it up to a gig later, then the field tech would have no involvement and 
wouldn't know.


On the other hand, they're charging for consumption, so people have a 
disincentive to actually use it.  So, maybe?



-- Original Message --
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 10:03:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 
1gig fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it 
was to be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what 
about the cell phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them 
and he said. "Oh no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to 
them." I was like whoa, thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint, 
T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are all like 100meg and 
he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg circuits."


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that 
much bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 
45,000 and the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really 
be true? And if so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell 
tower with some Air Fiber equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Clint Wiley]

Maybe. I had an ILEC come after us for something they under billed. They hit us 
with a large lump sum for years and years worth of charges. I would imagine you 
could do the same if your ICA is ambitious. You may also need to check your 
state regulations as they may contain some limits on utility back charges.

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

I looked into that this morning and didn't see much for time frames for billing 
disputes, which maybe is a good thing.



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From: "Clint Wiley" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:27:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

Are you talking about disputes with an ILEC?  If so, it should be covered in 
your ICA.

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go?




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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Keefe John]

Most large banks have web based ACH portals but you have to pay a monthly fee 
for it. 

Keefe

On March 2, 2018 10:17:57 AM CST, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>We used to have this capability with Zions.  
>
>We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are
>supposed to go to the local branch and do the first one there to make
>sure it goes right or if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot.  
>
>From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
>To: af 
>Subject: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>
>I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
>originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much
>in my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to
>fill out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually,
>and on and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal
>with Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of
>course they can't originate (pull) the payment either. 
>
>I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would
>allow me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it
>happen for a reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including
>opening an account with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our
>location in Montana), or using some other reasonable option.
>
>So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively
>expensive, or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash
>management products require a minimum balance commitment or a very
>large monthly fee).
>
>Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?
>
>-- 
>
>  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>
>   Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> 

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[David Sovereen]

Two of our the three banks we work with have this capability built into their 
basic Online Bill Pay functionality.  For the one I am most familiar with, I 
have to choose that I am paying an individual instead of a company, and then 
there is an option presented to make an electronic payment by entering their 
routing and account number.  Works perfectly.

David Sovereen
 
Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free |  989.837.3780 fax
 
Telephone  |  Internet  |  Security Alarm Monitoring
 
david.sover...@mercury.net 
www.mercury.net 



> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:17 AM,   wrote:
> 
> We used to have this capability with Zions. 
>  
> We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are supposed 
> to go to the local branch and do the first one there to make sure it goes 
> right or if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot. 
>  
> From: Forrest Christian (List Account) <>
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
> To: af <>
> Subject: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH
>  
> I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to 
> originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in my 
> opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill out 
> forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on and on.  
> More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with Cash/Check and 
> many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they can't originate 
> (pull) the payment either.
>  
> I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow me 
> to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a 
> reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account 
> with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana), or 
> using some other reasonable option.
>  
> So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive, or 
> require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products 
> require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).
>  
> Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?
>  
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com <> | http://www.packetflux.com 
>      
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Jeremy]

I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from
an acquisition in Texas.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I
> think about 6 months ago...
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[chuck]

We are technically rural but in reality we are high density suburban.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:14 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell towers, but 
100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

  Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Jay Weekley]

Being sandwiched between two medium sized cities left us with few 
channels as well.  One of the few vendors that sell white space 
equipment even was nice enough to tell me don't even bother with his 
product line.


Jeremy wrote:
We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all 
claimed by wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh > wrote:


Too little, too late.  5Mhz (usable) channels.  Even with bonding
multiple channels together it’s not much bandwidth.   NAB
successfully killed it by insisting on way too strict OOB
filtering.  Carlson didn’t help it any with vaporware.  And now we
have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a bad model
because it didn’t work in whitespace.  Sometime you can’t win.

Mark


On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:

The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of
the poor rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want
to do IOT type of stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband
when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but
then it went silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is
there still something happenning?






 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



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Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mike Hammett]

The information he has is probably four years old. 

They're moving to dark fiber or tubes of dark fiber. A Sprint tower can move 
1.3 gigs, with some doing more. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:03:07 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement 


I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 


Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment? 

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Mike Hammett]

It does change, though, so check back to Google's page every now and then. 

https://www.google.com/get/spectrumdatabase/channel/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:53:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space? 


We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed by 
wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University. 


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 



Too little, too late. 5Mhz (usable) channels. Even with bonding multiple 
channels together it’s not much bandwidth. NAB successfully killed it by 
insisting on way too strict OOB filtering. Carlson didn’t help it any with 
vaporware. And now we have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a bad 
model because it didn’t work in whitespace. Sometime you can’t win. 


Mark 





On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor rules 
and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of stuff, isn't 
really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do 3-20mbps in 2018 


On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went 
silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something happenning? 

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Tim Reichhart]

Kurt it me off list about spectrum I got few questions for you.

Tim



 

-Original Message-
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 03/02/18 10:03
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits."

Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Mike Hammett]

I looked into that this morning and didn't see much for time frames for billing 
disputes, which maybe is a good thing. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Clint Wiley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:27:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes 

Are you talking about disputes with an ILEC? If so, it should be covered in 
your ICA. 


Thanks, 
_ 
Clint Wiley 
Hagerstown Fiber Internet 




On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[chuck]

We used to have this capability with Zions.  

We are getting it going again, but have not yet tested it.  We are supposed to 
go to the local branch and do the first one there to make sure it goes right or 
if it doesn’t they can help troubleshoot.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:16 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to 
originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in my 
opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill out forms 
and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on and on.  More 
and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with Cash/Check and many won't 
accept credit card payments, and of course they can't originate (pull) the 
payment either. 

I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow me to 
just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a reasonable 
fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account with a bank 
(assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana), or using some 
other reasonable option.

So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive, or 
require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products require 
a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).

Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[chuck]

In my experience 24 months is as far back as you can reach.  Don’t recall if 
that is an FCC or NECA rule or what.  

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

There are companies who'll do this for you.

Keefe


On March 2, 2018 8:32:01 AM CST, Mike Hammett  wrote: 
  Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Mathew Howard]

I would've guessed they'd want more like 200-300meg at most cell towers,
but 100meg in a rural area really doesn't surprise me.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig
> fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to
> be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell
> phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh
> no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa,
> thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that
> he's been to are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are
> about 300meg circuits."
>
> Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much
> bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and
> the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if
> so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air
> Fiber equipment?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[chuck]

We have a bunch of cell towers on 50 and 100 Mbps circuits.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig 
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to be 
seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell phone 
towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh no those 
usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa, thats all? And 
he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that he's been to are 
all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are about 300meg 
circuits." 

Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much 
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and the 
city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if so why 
can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air Fiber 
equipment?

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
You are correct sir.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  To: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet


  CBB,

  Wrong Mark

  -- 
  Best regards,
  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

  --

  Thursday, March 1, 2018, 4:06:20 PM, you wrote:

   

   
Toledo Ohio?  Aren't you in FL? :)


 - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

  I liked when the lieutenant at the Toledo police department 
called us up and threatened to come out and shut down our 2.4 AP’s because we 
were supposedly interfering with their ill conceived plan to use WiFi to 
communicate with police cars all over town.

  Pretty laughable given that we didn’t have anything in their 
jurisdiction - or even any 2.4 in use.

  Mark


   On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

Down south they call it "All hat, and no cattle."

bp


On 3/1/2018 8:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Yeah, it would be nice to see a ruling to stop this 
from happening again in the future... but my guess is that it's really just an 
empty threat, and he has no intention of actually suing anybody.

  On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   I think this is worth pushing to the nth. I like 
caselaw, fresh caselaw that stiffens historic caselaw. I would really like to 
see at the end of the day, the letter recipients divvying up airebeams assets 
with some sanctions against the attorneys office. We should do a gofundme in 
the industry for the recipients to afford the litigation, no settlement, no 
dismissal, make it get to a ruling.  

where johnny Cochran 

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

 I wonder how often this kind of thing works to 
just scare people off though... I assume they'd eventually lose an actual 
lawsuit, but even if the new guys know that, there's a good chance that they're 
not going to want to go through the whole mess of getting sued, and just try to 
keep out of their way.

Personally, I think asking nicely to try to 
avoid interfering with the stuff you have up would be a lot more effective...

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, 
 wrote:

 Any local judge would be preempted by FCC.  

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its 
about willfully impeding and incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what 
theyre probably expecting the people to focus on, but thats not their target. 
This could be interesting to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court 
just to get fresh caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if 
injunctions are in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some 
time and trouble dough in their pockets too.

On Mar 1, 2018 7:42 AM, "Chris Fabien" 
 wrote:

 They can't stop you, but they can sue you! Can 
sue anybody for anything in this country right?  

In reality, I think the real answer is, the FCC 
rules on unlicensed freqs and how a judge might interpret a case for damages 
due to lost business due to provable radio interference, may be two totally 
different situations. 

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

 Send them the Part 15 rules...they can't stop 
you. 

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 9:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
 wrote:

 We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we 
can’t install over their old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 
3 times what we are backed up.


Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
 

Re: [AFMUG] CCS 60ghz PTMP AP and Sub pic from MWC -

[Mathew Howard]

Interesting... I wonder what they cost.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:36 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Wow, I want these. Are they available yet?
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
> http://www.ccsl.com/media/uploads/files/metnet60ghz-
> product-specification-v4.pdf
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Siklu? Link to PDF? Nothing published yet?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to Andreas for the pic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Jeremy]

We have one 5MHz channel available in our area, the rest was all claimed by
wireless microphones - I am guessing by the University.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Too little, too late.  5Mhz (usable) channels.  Even with bonding multiple
> channels together it’s not much bandwidth.   NAB successfully killed it by
> insisting on way too strict OOB filtering.  Carlson didn’t help it any with
> vaporware.  And now we have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a
> bad model because it didn’t work in whitespace.  Sometime you can’t win.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor
> rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of
> stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do
> 3-20mbps in 2018
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went
>> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something
>> happenning?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introduction

[Lewis Bergman]

Being a Jarhead as well, nobody stupid enough to sign up with the Marines
is smart enough to run a WISP. Give up now while you still have money.
Oh...wait, you were air wing. Never mind.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:44 PM Jon Lee  wrote:

> Evening all,
>
> I have been lurking in the shadows for the past couple of weeks.
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself and say that the amount of knowledge
> gained over that time alone (and reading some of the archives) has been
> helpful.
>
> I will try to contribute where I can, (fairly new in the space). My
> background in tech started in the USMC as a 7236 (Air Control Electronics
> Operator) basically a network guy, and now I manage a WISP in the Prescott,
> AZ area. I recently started my own company that will focus outside of the
> area that I manage.
>
> Looking forward to growing and gaining knowledge in the community.
>
> Thanks!
> -Jon
>
> --
> Jon Lee
> Off-Grid Networks
> c.928.793.2972 <(928)%20793-2972>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] outbound ACH

[Lewis Bergman]

We do this with Wells Fargo and one small Local bank with only two
branches. The local bank waived all fees. WF charges but I don't remember
it being outlandish.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:16 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I on a somewhat regular basis (several times a year) need to be able to
> originate a US ACH payment to a vendor.   My bank charges way too much in
> my opinion for this functionality, and it's a pain since we have to fill
> out forms and send them to them and they enter the data manually, and on
> and on.  More and more vendors we deal with don't want to deal with
> Cash/Check and many won't accept credit card payments, and of course they
> can't originate (pull) the payment either.
>
> I've been hoping to find a bank and/or service provider which would allow
> me to just enter ACH transfer information online and have it happen for a
> reasonable fee.  I'm open to various options, including opening an account
> with a bank (assuming that is permitted based on our location in Montana),
> or using some other reasonable option.
>
> So far, the only solutions I've found are either prohibitively expensive,
> or require something we can't provide (i.e. some cash management products
> require a minimum balance commitment or a very large monthly fee).
>
> Anyone come across something which might fit the bill?
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF-5 optimal config

[Mathew Howard]

It should certainly be doing a lot better than that... but an AF-5 really
is not a good choice for a 9 mile link. The antennas are too small for
that... even though the things are gigantic, they do still only have 23dbi
antennas. What modulation is it running at?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> With the lower gain of those antennas I think 9 miles is a bit far if
> interference rears its head. For speed, since it seems he's getting the
> required signal and little noise, check out this table:
> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5-Distance-
> Throughput-Chart-Community-Maintained-47-dBm-EIRP/td-p/868782  .
>
> From that table, his results are much less than expected, please get
> screenshots from him (removing GPS location / site name / IP / MAC address
> if desired) and post them and we can analyze them.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 11:14 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I haven't ever deployed a AF-5 or AF-5U but a friend who owns a wisp is
>> trying to deploy one, we don't have very much noise and he's only 3db off
>> of 'optimal' as calculated by the AF-5's GPS and the thing will only pass
>> about 20mbps of traffic @ 9 miles
>>
>> What is the aprox expected throughput at 9miles assuming little/no noise?
>>
>> Any ideas on what to play with to get it working better, channel and
>> channel size aren't helping and I'm pretty sure the alignment is decent, do
>> I have a bad radio?
>>
>> Or maybe 9 miles is too far?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> TJ Trout
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

[Dennis Burgess]

Contact adm...@wispa.org.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] what was the process for WISPA email lists to get reinstated

Something keeps kicking me out but I went in, checked all my accounts, no 
problem.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Keefe John]

There are companies who'll do this for you.

Keefe

On March 2, 2018 8:32:01 AM CST, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back
>are you allowed to go? 
>
>
>
>
>
>- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
>Midwest Internet Exchange 
>
>The Brothers WISP 

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Clint Wiley]

Are you talking about disputes with an ILEC?  If so, it should be covered in 
your ICA.

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet

On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go?




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[AFMUG] Typical Cell Tower bandwidth requirement

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I was talking to a Spectrum employee yesterday as he was installing a 1gig
fiber circuit for me and he started talking about how un-common it was to
be seeing a 1 gig DIA circuit installed so i said well what about the cell
phone towers, don't those all have a couple gigs to them and he said. "Oh
no those usually only have 100meg fiber feeds to them." I was like whoa,
thats all? And he said "yeah all the Sprint, T-mobile, and At towers that
he's been to are all like 100meg and he's like usually the Verizon ones are
about 300meg circuits."

Does that really sound possible that a cell tower is only using that much
bandwidth? We are pretty rural here county population is only 45,000 and
the city populations are only about 12,000. Can this really be true? And if
so why can't a WISP sell a backup circuit to a cell tower with some Air
Fiber equipment?

[AFMUG] CLEC Disputes

[Mike Hammett]

Any of you CLECs ever dispute charges on your invoices? How far back are you 
allowed to go? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] what happenned to white space?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Too little, too late.  5Mhz (usable) channels.  Even with bonding multiple 
channels together it’s not much bandwidth.   NAB successfully killed it by 
insisting on way too strict OOB filtering.  Carlson didn’t help it any with 
vaporware.  And now we have NAB running around saying shared spectrum is a bad 
model because it didn’t work in whitespace.  Sometime you can’t win.

Mark

> On Mar 1, 2018, at 11:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> The equipment never really made it to market, I think because of the poor 
> rules and the jack of spectrum... dead unless you want to do IOT type of 
> stuff, isn't really qualified for broadband when your AP can only do 3-20mbps 
> in 2018
> 
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Steve Jones  > wrote:
> This was supposed to be like putting a monkey in shoes, but then it went 
> silent, is it essentially a dead duck or is there still something happenning?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

Thanks, that's good intel.



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2018 11:55:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

There are a number of African countries where 39 GHz can be licensed 
same as any other PTP.


It could theoretically be licensed in Canada on special per-link 
permission basis, but given the short distances 39 GHz can go, you'd 
have to sell it to an operator that is in a small/remote city, needs 
short high capacity PTP links, and is willing to do the legwork with 
the Canadian feds.




On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20 
that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Adam Moffett]

That's at least 2 crimes you're advising me to commit :)
*I* know you're kidding, but some rando reading the archive is gonna 
think you're a villian.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/2/2018 12:16:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz


Just keep operating it.  Claim to be a Verizon sub contractor...

From:Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 7:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
 wrote:
I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet 
though...


 
Virus-free. www.avast.com 



On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz 
Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased 
Straight Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition 
to deploy 5G wireless, and they request we cease transmission by 
September 4th 2018.


That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon 
IP20 that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if 
there's anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can 
sell it overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?


-Adam