Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
Yeah, if you really want to accurately comply this is the only product I could find that fills the bill: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Phoenix-Contact/5650109/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNllHT6Fj2fqT3JHycpY8wIPmgKPgvRik%3d Or, tear that page out of the installation guide... From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Your original post had something about a thermal-magnetic disconnect, are you wanting to do that also? Maybe the best thing would be to wall mount a small non metallic enclosure with a little piece of DIN rail inside, and put a power supply and DC circuit breaker on the DIN rail, maybe an AC breaker as well. Run an AC cord out one gland, and your DC wiring out another gland. Put a warning sticker on the box. I’m thinking this has the best chance of satisfying inspectors. Although if it’s going in a room with restricted access, like a server room, you should get a little more leeway. Still, if this is Kane county, they are so anal. Plus if it’s a school or government building, maybe more rules. The other thing that comes to mind is, if the radio manufacturer shipped you POE style supplies, is there an adapter that would let you use those? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Was trying to have as little customization as I could get because it's going to a customer that paid $10k for a licensed link. Would a quick disconnect terminal pass code\insurance muster? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Why not just use the one from Baltic and crimp some quick disconnect terminals on the wires? Trango used to sell a desktop power supply like you describe, but they replaced it with this which is just an open frame power supply in a box: http://support.trangosys.com/entries/24647323-Datasheet-48-Volt-Wall-Mount-Power-Supply-PSUPPLY-WM-48-L- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? It seems like what I'm looking for doesn't exist. I'm looking for something that looks like a laptop power supply like this http://www.balticnetworks.com/tycon-power-48v-2-5a-120w-desktop-power-supply.html but with screw terminals for the DC. I'd have no problem chopping the end off of the above or using one of those open\DIN power supplies, but chopping off the AC cord at home or a tower site, but this is going at a customer's location. I had assumed the manufacturer was sending a power supply like what I wanted when I ordered, but that wasn't the case. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:43:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
Yeah for a hundred watts max each. So, you want to parallel 20 of them and ballast them to force current sharing? Plus burn up all the heat in the transistor and heat sinks rather than a resistive load? Would not be my first choice. From: David via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 10:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Good ol 3055 transistor found and Astron and Duracomm systems. Use a LM723 and a few other components. The one in question would be the output resistor at 5W .33Ohm I have built several of these to regulate 12-18vs seamlessly to our mikrotik routers to help with smoothing out the raw dc from the duracomm systems at 24v-48v out. Our mikrotiks seem to have fewer issues related to power and reboots. Went the whole last year without a single reboot on the network. On 12/31/2014 04:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation
So, they create an NMS middleware type of connection with your devices? From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation All pagerduty does is alerts you when your existing monitoring program needs to send an alert, albeit with much more sophistication. It can't monitor anything it's simply a notification service. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Could you give us a two or three sentence exec overview of what PagerDuty does? It appears to monitor your systems for you and alert you? What is the cost? From: Ryan Goldberg via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 7:49 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation Take a look at PagerDuty It only does one thing, but it does it quite well Ryan On Jan 1, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What sort of SLAs do you have with your transport and transit providers? If you have SLAs with any of your customers, how did you come about them? Could you elaborate on any response\repair provisions? How are you guys handling escalation for critical infrastructure or SLA customers? Right now my phone is on vibrate and I check it when convenient. I can't be looking at my phone every time a sales guy calls or I get tagged in a picture on FaceBook. Checking on a regular basis, though, I do get back to those things. I'd like to find a way to be alerted via the most obnoxious method when critical infrastructure or SLA customers are down. Maybe there's an app I can use to override system volume settings to just be annoying when a certain number calls, text arrives, etc.? Thanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
That’s an even better deal! From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review https://www.moviepass.com/ I saw an article that AMC was taking it. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Check around where you live. The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff you don’t get from the major distribution companies. Many very popular movies start in these independent venues. And the best movies I have seen over the past year were screened only there. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review How do we get such pass ? Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Check around where you live. The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff you don’t get from the major distribution companies. Many very popular movies start in these independent venues. And the best movies I have seen over the past year were screened only there. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review How do we get such pass ? Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Salt Lake Film Society From: CBB - Jay Fullervia Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Which chain ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 11:03 PM $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
I am hoping Straight to Streaming becomes the new norm. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 1:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review theaters are going to have to step up their game after sonys adventure On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller af@afmug.com wrote: Looks like it's good here we might have to take this one under consideration! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Date: Thu, Jan 1, 2015 11:56 AM But you get popcorn. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review That’s an even better deal! From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review https://www.moviepass.com/ I saw an article that AMC was taking it. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Check around where you live. The Salt Lake Film Society screens stuff you don’t get from the major distribution companies. Many very popular movies start in these independent venues. And the best movies I have seen over the past year were screened only there. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review How do we get such pass ? Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation
Could you give us a two or three sentence exec overview of what PagerDuty does? It appears to monitor your systems for you and alert you? What is the cost? From: Ryan Goldberg via Af Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 7:49 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation Take a look at PagerDuty It only does one thing, but it does it quite well Ryan On Jan 1, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What sort of SLAs do you have with your transport and transit providers? If you have SLAs with any of your customers, how did you come about them? Could you elaborate on any response\repair provisions? How are you guys handling escalation for critical infrastructure or SLA customers? Right now my phone is on vibrate and I check it when convenient. I can't be looking at my phone every time a sales guy calls or I get tagged in a picture on FaceBook. Checking on a regular basis, though, I do get back to those things. I'd like to find a way to be alerted via the most obnoxious method when critical infrastructure or SLA customers are down. Maybe there's an app I can use to override system volume settings to just be annoying when a certain number calls, text arrives, etc.? Thanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Your tastes in entertainment are eclectic...
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
(I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some reason.
Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Well then obviously GMail is broken.
From: Josh Luthman via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
Mine came at 1:24 PM
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Read Paul's email.
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
af@afmug.com ;)
Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
The From was definitely broken.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
Trick question, wasn't broken.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Maybe J
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
a yes or a no
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use
a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
I think we all owe you a beer at AF. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to running off the different header format. Sorry if that was confusing. Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible. We sent out the Amazon Verification email yesterday. My understanding is that it is only good for 24 hours. So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today. That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time. Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch. The header format will change after that time. We will monitor it to make sure everything is doing what it is supposed to. Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list. If they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email. The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is required to my all my beer at AFMUG. J Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
Utah is not your friend if you are looking for beer above 3.2%. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process Here herea 8.5% Double IPA! On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think we all owe you a beer at AF. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to running off the different header format. Sorry if that was confusing. Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible. We sent out the Amazon Verification email yesterday. My understanding is that it is only good for 24 hours. So, after that 24 period ends today, we will send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of today. That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one last time. Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch. The header format will change after that time. We will monitor it to make sure everything is doing what it is supposed to. Un-Verified subscribers of the list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list. If they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification email and then the AFMUG verification email. The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is required to my all my beer at AFMUG. J Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
A simple DC motor has torque proportional to current. If somehow you can create a constant torque load it should draw constant current. I think you could put a pump on the shaft of the motor and let the pump circulate with a closed loop and a pressure regulator it would be a constant torque. The fluid will get hot and will have to have some way to get rid of the heat. No way around getting rid of the heat no matter what you do. Electronic only methods are simple in concept but if you want to burn the power with an active device that will take some serious heat sinking and some serious devices. If you want to PWM into a resistive load, that will take more of complicated circuit. An MCU could easily be programmed to control the PWM but that takes work. I can’t think of anything simpler than a motor and pump. Not totally sure how tight it would regulate itself. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? 2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
[AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
The original request was for a constant current load. Heaters would be a near linear and somewhat constant load impedance. Current would be proportional to voltage (and inversely proportional to temperature most likely). But certainly not constant. From: Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? How about 2 x 1000watt portable heaters?? On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
No wattages are listed. I wonder what they can dissipate. I wonder what the resistance element is. Iron? Stainless? I doubt nichrome but could be. Too bad they didn’t include batteries. Maybe they are AC only. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I always found it interesting that most diesel electric locomotives use dynamic braking and dissipate the electricity in resistor banks near the roof with fans to cool them. So you could buy some of these: http://www.mosebachresistors.com/resistors_rl.html From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 8:05 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? 2 kW is some heat, no matter how you do it. Not sure if there are any common power transistors that can dissipate that much in a single device. If you parallel them then you have to ballast resistor them. Be nice to do full on and full off into a resistive load with input filtering. Then you could use smaller devices and heat sinks. PWM with input current feedback. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:59 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. From: TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
$300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel
I was asking a similar question a week or two ago. There are some small developer type of boards in the $40 range. One could do it by just looping back an ethernet port if you had some way to send traps when that port changed state. -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 6:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will send email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection. Say a door is opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or both. Anyone know of anything? Thinking of using something like an Arduino but hate to reinvent the wheel.
Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video
Yep, thanks. From: Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 7:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] wireless router video This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking for the link to the belkin or dlink video telling folks to get the router up off the floor.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel
Not terribly cheap, are they? -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel Depending on how many contacts you need, the APC boards work well. like the AP9619. You can get a single chassis for it that you just power. It has 1 set of contact closures, and will send an email when it trips. On 12/30/2014 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: I was asking a similar question a week or two ago. There are some small developer type of boards in the $40 range. One could do it by just looping back an ethernet port if you had some way to send traps when that port changed state. -Original Message- From: Matt via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 6:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will send email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection. Say a door is opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or both. Anyone know of anything? Thinking of using something like an Arduino but hate to reinvent the wheel.
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Thanks Paul, It must be mentioned, Paul is doing this out of the goodness of his heart. Nothing in it for him. So, be kind when you bitch. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Well…… As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it. There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers. That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the “Amazon verified email” method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email. This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend “stuff” just like we want it to.) The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn’t pull the trigger on the switchover. Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. Here’s what will happen…. All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address. The verification emails are good for 24 hours only. The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can’t change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc. Probably on Friday, we will turn on “normal headers”. If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. We will monitor the changes closely and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly. It’s important. Follow the instructions please. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] sneaky sob...
I can’t ID it from the photo. What kind is it? Venomous? From: Robert Haas via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] sneaky sob... This sneaky critter decided to drop into my hand hole while doing inspections for some upcoming fiber plant work. I opened the HH, went back to my van to grab my notebook, reached down to pick up the enclosure and didn’t notice the little bugger coiled up in the corner. Luckily for me he was cold enough that when he struck at my hand it was in slow motion and he only covered about half the distance to my hand before falling over.
Re: [AFMUG] sneaky sob...
I have been so lucky to get bit by a rattler when I was about 18 years old. All snakes add an extra dimension of fun to a day when you are not expecting them. Funny how our firmware reacts to them. From: Robert Haas via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] sneaky sob... This sneaky critter decided to drop into my hand hole while doing inspections for some upcoming fiber plant work. I opened the HH, went back to my van to grab my notebook, reached down to pick up the enclosure and didn’t notice the little bugger coiled up in the corner. Luckily for me he was cold enough that when he struck at my hand it was in slow motion and he only covered about half the distance to my hand before falling over.
[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out customer’s wifi coverage?
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Nanobeam for tight focal point. Picostation for a 6dbi omni (or if you want to change antenna). Both run AirOS/Airview which is a real spectrum analyzer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out customer’s wifi coverage?
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
More to help techs help customers troubleshoot. So non wifi interference would be a good thing to display. But so would SSID... From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Depends on what you want. If WiFi is the concern, you need a WiFi based spectrum analyzer so it can see SSID’s and things like that. Something like what SAF sells of course will see the signal, but it won’t be able to distinguish SSID’s. But if you want to be able to reliably pick up non-WiFi based interference, you need a real spectrum analyzer (rather than a WiFi chipset in spectrum analyzer mode). Are your techs making heat maps for projects, or just helping with in home WiFi readings? More on the application would help I guess :-) Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out customer’s wifi coverage?
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Pharasee From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Done! So am I a Pharoah now? Jaime Solorza On Dec 30, 2014 12:28 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks Chuck! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon My verification subject was: Amazon SES Address Verification Request in region US East (N. Virginia) Regards, Chuck On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Curtis Brotherton via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here comes the Amazon Verification Email … Click the link in the email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon. I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes the threading)J === Curtis Brotherton PDMNet (772) 564-6800 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Well…… As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it. There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers. That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the “Amazon verified email” method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email. This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend “stuff” just like we want it to.) The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn’t pull the trigger on the switchover. Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. Here’s what will happen…. All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address. The verification emails are good for 24 hours only. The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can’t change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc. Probably on Friday, we will turn on “normal headers”. If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. We will monitor the changes closely and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly. It’s important. Follow the instructions please. Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Looking for something under $300 -Original Message- From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Compared to what ;-) Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox or Anritsu Sitemaster. Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job. I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an app on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like Aaronia or SAF (which is a whole different debate). Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Spendy as I recall. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me. (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some reason. Fear, pity, respect, apathy?) From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Well then obviously GMail is broken. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch! Mine came at 1:24 PM Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Read Paul's email. On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from af@afmug.com ;) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? The From was definitely broken. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Trick question, wasn't broken. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? a yes or a no -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Looking at everything. Fluke has a nice one. Cannot find a price for this device: BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too. Doesn't sound like you need 2.4, just Wifi. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Android cell phone app. Free! Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Looking for something under $300 -Original Message- From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Compared to what ;-) Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox or Anritsu Sitemaster. Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job. I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an app on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like Aaronia or SAF (which is a whole different debate). Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Spendy as I recall. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
I don’t want the spam. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Need to request a quote =/ http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking at everything. Fluke has a nice one. Cannot find a price for this device: BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too. Doesn't sound like you need 2.4, just Wifi. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Android cell phone app. Free! Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Looking for something under $300 -Original Message- From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Compared to what ;-) Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox or Anritsu Sitemaster. Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job. I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an app on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like Aaronia or SAF (which is a whole different debate). Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Spendy as I recall. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Is it dual band? From: Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzerhl=en From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer I don’t want the spam. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Need to request a quote =/ http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking at everything. Fluke has a nice one. Cannot find a price for this device: BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too. Doesn't sound like you need 2.4, just Wifi. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Android cell phone app. Free! Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Looking for something under $300 -Original Message- From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Compared to what ;-) Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox or Anritsu Sitemaster. Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job. I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an app on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like Aaronia or SAF (which is a whole different debate). Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Spendy as I recall. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
Grout the valleys and use redheads or plastic or lead molys. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 6:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that’s called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
[AFMUG] traps vs polling
When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll everything on a regular basis?
Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling
If we poll every minute or every 5 minutes, catching traps may not be important. If we don’t poll, I worry that we will miss a trap due to it being UDP. From: Eric Muehleisen via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traps vs polling Both. Traps for realtime alerting and polling for historicals. On Monday, December 29, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: When attempting to collect system wide status and alarm data real-time, are traps reliable enough or should you just poll everything on a regular basis? -- Sent via mobile
[AFMUG] wireless router video
Looking for the link to the belkin or dlink video telling folks to get the router up off the floor.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
Perhaps a live demo during AF Cambium QA session? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
What browser do you use? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near instantaneous. It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk
Is the trunk (FXO) actually connected to a POTS line? Does it try, like can you monitor the POTS line and hear it go off hook? Can you make calls to a sip trunk? From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] offtopic - grandstream analog trunk Anybody here have any tricks for getting a UCM6104 to use the damn analog trunk? The trunk is configured, no password on it (have tried with and without). Basic call routes have been configured including a catch-all, but whatever I do no phone will actually use the analog trunk(s). Any pointers? -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT - for Chuck - Kari Byron, champagne, machete, zombie apocalypse
I am sure the technique will work for Martinellies Sparkling Cider too. Pretty slick. (I had plenty of alcohol in my youth, for the past three decades or so, I have been pretty sober). -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - for Chuck - Kari Byron, champagne, machete,zombie apocalypse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Qa2Ym7iew Wait, I forget if Chuck drinks alcoholic beverages, probably not. Maybe try opening a bottle of Yoo-hoo with a machete. The technique seems to involve cleanly breaking off the glass neck of the bottle, not popping the cork. In any case, you have to get your Kari fix where you can now, with the change at Mythbusters.
[AFMUG] I never check FB
So, for some reason, I actually logged into FB today. (Good thing I did as it reminded me my sister turns 60 on the first.) And it also showed me that Doug Clark recently had a birthday. I would say “Happy Birthday Doug” if he was still hanging around with the rest of us. So, then I got to thinking about good old Doug. Is he still doing his thang?? Went to his web site. Yep, looks like someone is still chugging along up there. But what is this I see!!! Unlimited usage for the same price??? Holy Crap!
Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life
Hard to say. I get bored sooo freeking easy it drives me crazy. I have a very conventional life. Married at 22. 8 kids. Grandparents now. Wife always did the wife thing. I always did the work thing. But I am jaded when it comes to stimulating the little gray cells. I would guess many on this list are a bit on the restless side as well. Of all the many positive (or negative) attributes a person might have (smart, hard worker, honest, inventive, etc etc) the only one that correlates with being successful in business is ambition. And ambitious folks are restless. Talking Soy restless, not Estoy restless. From: Colin Stanners via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life Less than an hour ago I went on a rare FB visit and, seeing what others were doing, posted a thought: Today I will not be doing any work, paid or volunteer projects, other than house cleaning. I don't know this feeling. Now it seems that may have been a lie as I'm helping troubleshoot router issues a country away and sorting a big Monoprice order of A/V gear I received for a client. It seems a number of the more involved people on this list live in the same manner: their job/projects are their life... I have also lived and struggled with roommates who spent entire months doing nothing. Is that difference in people based more on personality or the environment? Does it get easier or more difficult as you get older? (from physical AF I noticed many here were in their 40s-50s)
[AFMUG] OT Movie Review
The Imitation Game Two big thumbs up. (Allan Turing, breaking Enigma)
Re: [AFMUG] Merry Christmas from Paul PDMNet
Feats of strength and airing of grievances are on the agenda! I am s excited! From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Merry Christmas from Paul PDMNet Feliz Navidad a todos Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 7:06 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Merry Christmas everyone! I pray that you and your family have a blessed day, creating memories! Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Ho, ho, ho... You’ll shoot your eye out kid... From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Seriously, Linked in sends me these random “Endorse Rory Conaway for his knowledge of the mating habits of the North American Fruitfly”. I want two additional buttons: “How the hell should I know ?” -and- “Pretty sure he is an idiot when it comes to that subject” If you could give a thumbs down the overall endorsements might actually have some weight whereas now they are more of a polite social ping job. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
I was an EMT in a former life. Hated it. Not my cup of postum. From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission Hello guys, Merry Christmas! I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other agencies responding to the Ebola crisis. We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP technologies to accomplish the last mile access. Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown, Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know. Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me. If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers. REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and relatively low risk.
[AFMUG] OT Movie Review
The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
OK for the knowledge and being able to help. I have been able to help multiple people multiple times. Just not OK as a job... for me. Not OK as a steady diet. Glad others are OK with it but it was very depressing for me. It hit me very early on that every time I was actually doing my job, it was because something bad has happened. From: Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission I went through the Army Combat Lifesaver course in a former life, then went through some impromptu combat medical training with 3rd BN 75th Ranger Regiment for a few weeks during deployment - nothing official, but incredibly valuable. I still keep a red medical bag in my jeep just for emergencies. I've always wanted to go through official EMT training, just don't want the response burden that goes along with it. I enjoy being able to help in an emergency under good samaritan laws. On December 25, 2014 6:29:23 PM AKST, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was an EMT in a former life. Hated it. Not my cup of postum. From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission Hello guys, Merry Christmas! I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other agencies responding to the Ebola crisis. We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP technologies to accomplish the last mile access. Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown, Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know. Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me. If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers. REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and relatively low risk. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
I tried. The internal antenna coupled with the larger wavelength made everything I tried impractical. I got 4-5 dB at most. Not worth building the tooling. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna I'm trying to find the response from somebody at Cambium when I asked about the feasibility of a CLIP for 3.65 GHz. I think it was something about too big and not enough gain. Obviously with the new case design you couldn't just slip a 5 GHz Stinger or CLIP on a 3.65 GHz SM to see what happens. But I suspect something 50% bigger than the existing CLIP and with 6 dB gain over a bare SM might make some people happy. Certainly it would be cheaper than an SMC plus a panel, and smaller than a reflector dish. Here's a scary thought, remember the LENS that weighed a ton? Make that 50% bigger and put it on the 3.65 SM which also weighs a ton, now you have 2 tons. -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna ITElite Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but cannot fit a reflector. Is there a small panel antenna that works with the 450 3.65 SM?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not have a shelf life. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Gas at 1.87 a gallon today Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As long as they leave my shrubbery alone. Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
I think that is called a Wouff-Hong. Right after a fight to the death with a Rettysnitch. From: Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... What the heck is this? Is that some type of foot claw animal thing that has been ripped from its body? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 18:59 To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Get a few 55 gallon drums. That's what we did around 2006. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not have a shelf life. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Gas at 1.87 a gallon today Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As long as they leave my shrubbery alone. Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Yep: http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/rbob-gasoline.html From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... I wonder if you can purchase gasoline futures? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Get a few 55 gallon drums. That's what we did around 2006. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 24, 2014 9:44 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wish I had a 50,000 gallon tank and I wish that gas did not have a shelf life. From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:51 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Gas at 1.87 a gallon today Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As long as they leave my shrubbery alone. Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] WB Mfg Omni problems.
I am posting this to the list. Perhaps someone there will give you some ideas. Best results will be achieved if you subscribe to the list. -Original Message- From: John Ockert Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:46 AM To: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: WBMfg Website Comment/Feedback it isn't interference. here are my stats uplink rssi -54 downlink rssi -55 uplink snr 31 downlink snr 30 uplink mcs 4 downlink mcs 15 everything looks good except the upload data rate and capacity. John Ockert Systems Engineer Wyerless Work: 417-680-7090 Email: jock...@innovativeobjects.com Website: http://www.wyerless.com From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:53 PM To: John Ockert; WBMfg Subject: Re: WBMfg Website Comment/Feedback This is why OMNIs are not terribly popular. They receive interference from 360 degrees. Most folks only use OMNIs in areas where the distance can be very short. You might want to post this question on the af@afmug.com email list. Just post something to that address and it will reply with info as to how to subscribe to the list. There are about 600 people there operating this equipment, the manufacturer's engineers hang out there too. Friendly bunch. -Original Message- From: WBMfg Website Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 12:01 PM To: WBMfg Subject: WBMfg Website Comment/Feedback 12/23/14 12:01 PM john f ockert jock...@pilrtech.com 4174342384 we purchased your epmp Omni conversion kit. I followed the directions. I have great downlink modulation and capacity and quality from ap to subscribers but the uplinkf from subscribers to the ap is poor most of the time. it isn't interference and it isn't aming the subscriber units. is there something wrong with the Omni. we have one tower with sectors and decided that we would use an Omni on another to see how it preformed. so far not so good. have you seen anything else like this. any help would be appreciated.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice
Travis had good luck with garbage bags. Have to change them when they shred. I tried every product suggested to me several years ago on my antenna range. Nothing worked. I did not try that never wet stuff though. Black paint. Garbage bags. Radome heater if you want to really get crazy. (Blow some hot air inside it). -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice There isn't a really a good answer. Painting them black helps to warm them up when the sun comes out. I have seen people put black heat shrink over them before. Probably want to make sure whatever you add doesn't absorb RF. Mark On 12/23/14 5:49 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af wrote: It seems like a couple times over the winter we have ice that covers a side of our omni antennas. It's only a handful of customers that directly face the iced up side of the omni that have degraded signals. We usually only have an issue when rain slowly switches to ice and then snow. It will either take a tower climb or wait for warmer temps to melt said ice. What measures has anyone here on the list taken to prevent this condition? -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Cool, I was thinking of doing a sweatlodge one of the evenings too... From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack i want in on this, Ill come to AF for peyote On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Depends on the Mormon, I prefer peyote, 3D HiFi visions, ping time to heaven is in the nanoseconds... From: Jason Petrillo via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack Chuck, I didn’t think Mormons drank… J Jason From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack I heard that Rev Al and Dennis Rodman shot a porno flick with Kim Jong Un and then he got wet feet during post production and sent Dennis and Rev Al into Sony HQ to delete the copy. While the worm was attempting to guess the Sony root password (123456) they got drunk and ACCIDENTALLY shared some files with the rest of the world. They are sorry and Kim Jong is not returning their calls anymore. So it is a big mistake, nothing to see here. Please move along. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack The two big problems with the tinfoil theories like that and the ones I come up with as well are the domestic terrorism issue, that wont go away, somebody will end up dead. The other is Al Sharpton, nobody, for any reason under the sun would open that can. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ok, putting on my Conspiracy theory hat now that the FBI just announced that NK is behind the attack, since there's been no collusion between the gov't and the media industry before. What if Sony is developing a new Distribution system to bypass theaters with new releases. What better way to get it started than to have to use it in a way that does not anger theater owners. 'Oh, we have to distribute the movie this way, because someone threatened you if we show it at your movie theater' And then, if it completely fails, they can point their finger to North Korea who 'Forced them to have to do it this way' They get to try something new without having ANYONE upset with them. Oh, except maybe Seth Rogan. Were there any recent Sony Internships that touted 'International travel' as part of the perks? On 12/17/2014 8:39 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: True... it's not really surprising they pulled it, nobody is going to want to take on that sort of liability. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack If hackers are involved to the degree they claim, which I doubt, the mystery of N Koreas involvment (they do have the money to pay for hired hackers) has emboldened them to act like warriors. Sony already has 2 lawsuits going, for not protecting employee data, imagine if something did happen at a theater, even a random lunatic with a 9mm, thats alot of liability. A leak of the movie would be great, they can make their money on DMCA suits On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It seems a little odd that a bunch of hackers would even threaten that... I would think a more hacker-ish threat would be more credible. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jason McKemie via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack How much of a physical violence threat are a bunch of hackers though? Not the most threatening demographic from that standpoint... On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was thinking on same line but I am sure they must have got some credible threat to act like this. Tushar On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview. Isn't that tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it sound like there was a lot of data
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I am a shirt pocket kinda guy. What does that say about my degree of sissification? Anyone remember sissy bars on their sting-ray bikes? I was horrified that the new cool thing was called a “sissy” bar. Such mixed emotions. Didn’t really matter because my bike was a 1950 vintage hand me down with balloon tires. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF After open carry is allowed, what device moves to the other side? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:26:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF On belt is only way in Texas...just on other side of knife in pocket is kinda of sissified.Ducking under my coffee mug Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
My leatherman tool is in my pants pocket. Is that sissy? From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Weirdos... the knife is supposed to be clipped inside the pocket... right next to the phone. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Jaime Solorza via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:26 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF On belt is only way in Texas...just on other side of knife in pocket is kinda of sissified.Ducking under my coffee mug Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
[AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I predicted Sprint would have been dead by now... From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I think I use 0.01 GB of data every time I blink. I don't know what phones ATT has now, but the Nexus line are generally pretty good. The Nexus 6 has good RF on Sprint anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:16:38 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
Re: [AFMUG] rooftop weight study?
Many jurisdictions allow 3 pounds per square foot additional load without additional engineering. -Original Message- From: Jon Langeler via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] rooftop weight study? We've been asked to provide a study of rooftop weight allowances in order to install a bunch of rooftop mounts. Has anyone else had to do this? Any info or good engineering firms to recommend? Jon Langeler j...@michwave.com
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
And they fit the APC rack too! From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's standard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM Subject: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges?
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
Din mounted rack. http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39Cat= From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet You make a rack mount one? What's the part number? I'm not seeing it on the website. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And they fit the APC rack too! From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's standard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM Subject: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges?
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
Thanks! From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I love the WB GigE-APC-POE! Here is the APC rack mount... On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You make a rack mount one? What's the part number? I'm not seeing it on the website. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And they fit the APC rack too! From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's standard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM Subject: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges?
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks! From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I love the WB GigE-APC-POE! Here is the APC rack mount... On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You make a rack mount one? What's the part number? I'm not seeing it on the website. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And they fit the APC rack too! From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's standard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM Subject: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges?
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
APC surge suppressors are excellent splice connectors... From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I can tell you that with the APC solutions, you wont have the universality that you have with WB. this product line alone went through alot of revisions and tweaks until it met the industry need, With APC you wont get that. Youll get what you get and thats that. WB For Life yo! On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yup There is a data sheet link at the bottom of the product page and it lists most (but not all) devices its compatible with. http://wbmfg.com/specs///Application%20Chart%20Sheet1.pdf Sean On Thursday, December 18, 2014, Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Would this also work with ptp600’s? Right now I use the LPU sliver box surge From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Yeah, I just checked and the ones I ended up with were the PDIGTR. Probably won't do anyone any good http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PDIGTR On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: OK, just checking. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks! From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet I love the WB GigE-APC-POE! Here is the APC rack mount... On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You make a rack mount one? What's the part number? I'm not seeing it on the website. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And they fit the APC rack too! From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's standard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM Subject: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means
Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye....
FB is for girls... From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye Clearly you're on the wrong FB Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: No need to leave the list. Much more fun here than FB... From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Goodbye Hey folks…. I’ve really enjoyed this list for quite a long time … really helpful folks here. It’s time for me to make a career change (moving to a different company) and with this change I will have no involvement with wireless. Wish everyone the best and happy holidays! Paul Stewart
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
I used to have to push start my car back 40 years ago. I used to insist on manual for that reason. Not so much any more. I am lazy. -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff pfft! manual gearboxes are awesome! From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Seth Mattinen via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes. I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car because they can't figure out how to operate it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable
Muletape is reusable. It has footage markers on it. I like to use a light weight string with a baggie on the end. Suck it through with a vacuum cleaner. Then pull back the muletape. Use that for pulling the cable. Do you have the grips/socks chinese finger pull devices to grab the cable? Much better than a series of half hitches that get hung up on everything. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Counduit pull cable What's The best for a pull string. I thought about using a1/4 inch rope. Is this OK or not ? First time doing this
[AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
One. For example, if I had a small device, about the same size as a jump drive, plugged into an unused ethernet port. It could send a trap or be pollable when a condition changed. Such as a door opening or the power going out. I have done the relay on the ethernet port before. That is OK if you actually go take a look at the switch to see if it is up or down. Some managed switches can even send a trap. But I want something more generic with a TCP/IP stack in it. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry How many things do you want to monitor per site, and what equipment do you already have there? I misunderstood that you had several things to monitor per site. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things, some of which are a state away. What is the criteria for sending these things out? What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see if it looks like it will cause issues? whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the applicant frequency coordinator? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Looking for tiny tiny cheap cheap. How small do they go? From: Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Pretty sure MikroTik routers will spit out a Trap when then interfaces change state. Loopback wiring to a magnetic or button switch would do the trick, you wouldn’t even need a relay. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is not your fault. You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices. The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all. So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal government to employ postal workers. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications They go directly to the trash. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things, some of which are a state away. What is the criteria for sending these things out? What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see if it looks like it will cause issues? whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the applicant frequency coordinator? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
I found a microcontroller with ethernet, tcp/ip embedded into the silicon. $4 There is a rabbit for about $30 that will do similar things. I want this thing to be $20 and as small as a jump drive. From: D. Ryan Spott via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry $200: https://store.gumstix.com/index.php/products/283/ or ~$50: http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-756-8308-Motherboard-RASPBRRYPCBA512/dp/B009SQQF9C GPIO ports are easy to program against. ryan On 12/15/14 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists? -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?
Here is one I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4nKu4SaIsfeature=youtu.be -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:49 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ Just got another support ticket complaining of crappy to no internet for 10 days... Response to my queries of specifics: we are wireless. The fastest we've seen in the last two weeks is about 30 mbps up or down. Sometimes it's so weak, I can't even test it. I reset our router several times... It's always slow, but sometimes our devices can't even open pages because it's so slow or even dead for a few minutes. It's the same old my internet hasn't worked for days problem that isn't our problem. Does anyone have a better video/solution than this one, for explaining to customers your 'wireless router' sucks problem?
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
That's a bit better. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Raspberry Pi A+, smaller and slightly cheaper than the B models. http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-Model-A-256MB/dp/B00PEX05TO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8qid=1418675120sr=8-2keywords=raspberry+pi+A%3D -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:10:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry $200: https://store.gumstix.com/index.php/products/283/ or ~$50: http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Pi-756-8308-Motherboard-RASPBRRYPCBA512/dp/B009SQQF9C GPIO ports are easy to program against. ryan On 12/15/14 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yeah, too big. Physically. Looking for a single port device, hopefully the same size as a jump drive. *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-6-channel-switch-closure-input/ *From:* Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists? -- D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc broadband | telco | colo | community PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284 360-799-0552 | gtalk: rsp...@irongoat.net
[AFMUG] Lazy man's trap receiver
Last time I did this, I wrote the code which was later greatly re-written by others. This time I don’t want to do that. I want to receive SNMP traps. Send important alarms via text and email. Perhaps even via phone call. Any decent freeware that does this?
Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?
I am more of a: ” And that was Otis Elevator singing Baby, I’ve Had My Ups and Downs” type of guy. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? Chuck, I need you to record yourself saying k billies super sounds of the 70s weekend just on comin with this little ditty On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here is one I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4nKu4SaIsfeature=youtu.be -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:49 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ Just got another support ticket complaining of crappy to no internet for 10 days... Response to my queries of specifics: we are wireless. The fastest we've seen in the last two weeks is about 30 mbps up or down. Sometimes it's so weak, I can't even test it. I reset our router several times... It's always slow, but sometimes our devices can't even open pages because it's so slow or even dead for a few minutes. It's the same old my internet hasn't worked for days problem that isn't our problem. Does anyone have a better video/solution than this one, for explaining to customers your 'wireless router' sucks problem? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video?
I want to add the get your router off the floor thing from the D link video. That is good advice. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? Very, very good content! Well done! I think I'll share that around to our 'neighbors' in Saratoga Springs. I also think we should adapt this into a general version using one of those 'drawing' methods. Anyone want to help fund a new generalized version we all can use? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? Here is one I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp4nKu4SaIsfeature=youtu.be -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:49 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless router internet help video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdOBVKenzQ Just got another support ticket complaining of crappy to no internet for 10 days... Response to my queries of specifics: we are wireless. The fastest we've seen in the last two weeks is about 30 mbps up or down. Sometimes it's so weak, I can't even test it. I reset our router several times... It's always slow, but sometimes our devices can't even open pages because it's so slow or even dead for a few minutes. It's the same old my internet hasn't worked for days problem that isn't our problem. Does anyone have a better video/solution than this one, for explaining to customers your 'wireless router' sucks problem?
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
I had a friend named Cliff Leeper. One time a substitute teacher dragged him by the ear to the principals office because he kept telling her his name and she didn’t believe him. I knew his parents too. They never had a clue as to how it could sound when they named him. It was not until he was in grade school that they realized what they had done. From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 2:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News
My luck: SYN 50 years pass NAK From: Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News SYN 50 years pass ACK On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SPACE CONTROL TO EARTH http://www.betawired.com/scientists-pick-up-strange-signals-that-may-point-to-dark-matters-existence/1422255/ Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i
honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's
under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick
in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for
a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/
--
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations - Plains.Net
Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't
get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a
hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
--
Ryan Ghering
Network Operations -
Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture
How about a costed bill of materials for a system like this. I am too lazy to hunt it all down From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:11 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture One DVR with two cameras...set one for recording with motion detection with 15 seconds cache before and 15 seconds after event. Set second camera to record all the time and just scroll to event time of interest. Get large HD and clean out what is not needed after two weeks. Not sure why you need it every 15 secs. Jaime Solorza On Dec 10, 2014 11:30 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking for a security system that has two types of cameras, one motion camera and one still camera. It has to be outdoor, meaning up to 130 degrees, and can shoot multi-megapixel pictures every 15 seconds or so. I need the server to not only record both, but use a FIFO archiving system that supports a couple weeks. Has anyone seen an integrated system like this or am I setting up 2 systems? Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Actually, is is a bit larger than that...
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the
LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not
OLED.
The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs
are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of
the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while
making popcorn.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i
honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's
under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick
in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for
a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
And I do have one bathroom with a HD tv on a pivoting arm wall mount. It is
slaved to the “big” TV in the next room.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Actually, is is a bit larger than that...
From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the
LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not
OLED.
The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs
are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of
the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while
making popcorn.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i
honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's
under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the
subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we
can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run?
and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind
of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming
4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick
in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage
space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail...
so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2.
Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U
device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for
a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone
Hope it is Rick going on to better things than some of the alternatives... -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone +1! WISPA would not be where it is today without Rick's efforts. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rick gone Hey, Not sure if people saw this already, but Rick Harnish, the executive director of WISPA, announced he is stepping down at the end of January. He didn't give any other information, other than he was thankful for being part of WISPA over the last many years. Rick did many great things for WISPA, and I wish him the best of luck in his next endeavor. When he became the ED for WISPA almost 4 years ago, there were only 200 members. Today there are over 830 members, and the group now has enough money and influence to actually make a difference with the FCC and other government groups. I always enjoyed seeing Rick at the shows, and I know he will be missed. Good luck to you Rick. :) Travis
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
I would make popcorn there but right across from the bathroom is a kitchen with
popcorn maker and hot dog machine.
I need to put a TV in the kitchen too.
I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating.
Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think...
The rest of the basement isn’t finished, and actually I still have trim and
painting and a tiny bit of drywall to do for the TV room. But it is 99% done.
Probably will not finish it until I am ready to sell the house Isn’t that
the way you normally do things?
From: Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
I think we've established that you do make popcorn in the bathroom... or at
least Ken does.
From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
But you don't make popcorn in the bathroom...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 11, 2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on
the LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD
not OLED.
The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs
are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of
the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while
making popcorn.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is.
i honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand
4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and
the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything
we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable
run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im
kind of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not
stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Platinum Sponsors From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. AF2015 @ Chuck McCown's house Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would make popcorn there but right across from the bathroom is a kitchen with popcorn maker and hot dog machine. I need to put a TV in the kitchen too. I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating. Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think... The rest of the basement isn’t finished, and actually I still have trim and painting and a tiny bit of drywall to do for the TV room. But it is 99% done. Probably will not finish it until I am ready to sell the house Isn’t that the way you normally do things? From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I think we've established that you do make popcorn in the bathroom... or at least Ken does. -- From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. But you don't make popcorn in the bathroom... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 11, 2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not OLED. The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while making popcorn. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free. It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK. Travis On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: That 187MB translates to only
Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone
They make pills for ED... From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone Being ED is pretty stressful, GITMO might seem like a vacation. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone The FCC is sending him to Guantanamo Bay for reeducation On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: From what I've gathered he just wants a change of daily routine. Nothing points to any health problems and I'm certainly hoping I'm right on that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hope it is Rick going on to better things than some of the alternatives... -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone +1! WISPA would not be where it is today without Rick's efforts. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rick gone Hey, Not sure if people saw this already, but Rick Harnish, the executive director of WISPA, announced he is stepping down at the end of January. He didn't give any other information, other than he was thankful for being part of WISPA over the last many years. Rick did many great things for WISPA, and I wish him the best of luck in his next endeavor. When he became the ED for WISPA almost 4 years ago, there were only 200 members. Today there are over 830 members, and the group now has enough money and influence to actually make a difference with the FCC and other government groups. I always enjoyed seeing Rick at the shows, and I know he will be missed. Good luck to you Rick. :) Travis -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
24 holer, for your best buddies...
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
That is some swank bathroom.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/11/2014 7:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating.
Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think...
Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone
So I’ve been told Especially if you want a stuffy nose and a headache... From: Jason Petrillo via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone Do they work? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone They make pills for ED... From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone Being ED is pretty stressful, GITMO might seem like a vacation. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone The FCC is sending him to Guantanamo Bay for reeducation On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: From what I've gathered he just wants a change of daily routine. Nothing points to any health problems and I'm certainly hoping I'm right on that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hope it is Rick going on to better things than some of the alternatives... -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone +1! WISPA would not be where it is today without Rick's efforts. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rick gone Hey, Not sure if people saw this already, but Rick Harnish, the executive director of WISPA, announced he is stepping down at the end of January. He didn't give any other information, other than he was thankful for being part of WISPA over the last many years. Rick did many great things for WISPA, and I wish him the best of luck in his next endeavor. When he became the ED for WISPA almost 4 years ago, there were only 200 members. Today there are over 830 members, and the group now has enough money and influence to actually make a difference with the FCC and other government groups. I always enjoyed seeing Rick at the shows, and I know he will be missed. Good luck to you Rick. :) Travis -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
24 couches in the TV room.
From: Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
Are we still talking about reclining toilets or are we talking some different
measure of 24 holes for your best buddies?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:14:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
24 holer, for your best buddies...
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
Amazonstreaming4Know.
That is some swank bathroom.
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On 12/11/2014 7:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating.
Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think...
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
yep From: Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. Hot dog machine? You have one of the machines with the rolling tubes like at the Kwik-E-Mart? Or a vintage Presto Weenie Electrocuter? That would seem to be more your style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2USEfQxZU From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I would make popcorn there but right across from the bathroom is a kitchen with popcorn maker and hot dog machine. I need to put a TV in the kitchen too. I can seat 24 easily. I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating. Nice room for the Superbowl. I do need a 4 K projector I think... The rest of the basement isn’t finished, and actually I still have trim and painting and a tiny bit of drywall to do for the TV room. But it is 99% done. Probably will not finish it until I am ready to sell the house Isn’t that the way you normally do things? From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I think we've established that you do make popcorn in the bathroom... or at least Ken does. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. But you don't make popcorn in the bathroom... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 11, 2014 9:29 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck probably has one of those 96 inch 8K televisions. I saw a report on the LG 8K TV at some show saying it was still old technology because it was LCD not OLED. The real story will probably be that if 4K TVs are now affordable, 1080p TVs are probably VERY affordable. Hence the people putting them in every room of the house, streaming Netflix. Even the bathroom. So you can watch while making popcorn. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free. It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK. Travis On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
The glass of a CRT is mixed with huge amounts of lead to keep the X ray
radiation to a minimum. Nobody wants to take them.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
yes ;) in some cases.
actually we've progressed to the point where we can't give away a CRT tv.
so i guess that is progress
- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is.
i honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand
4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and
the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything
we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable
run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im
kind of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not
stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
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On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all these
streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their
licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of
storage space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full
retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less
than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a
TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around
for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it
works on the built in TV’s.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Richardson via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4K now.
Lovely
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Ghering via Af
Sent
