[AFMUG] did the verification email go out?
I haven't seen it. Although, that in itself may be a clue... Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
[AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.
As much as I'd like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for guests for example, is becoming a problem. I had 3 people in the last 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don't disagree with them. Come on guys, we've been asking for this for 5 years. It's time. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
Interesting, you are suggesting filling it in. I will test that. Thanks. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 8:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick Grout the valleys and use redheads or plastic or lead molys. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 6:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that’s called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] OT There is no hell
That's funny. I have a boy going for his bachelors and masters in Phoenix at the same time and we were just discussing this exact joke. The one we saw was a test question to a college student who had to answer whether Hell was exothermic or endothermic. http://www.pinetree.net/humor/thermodynamics.html -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT There is no hell 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her the next night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.' (an oldie but goodie, I wish I could take credit)
Re: [AFMUG] OT There is no hell
Oops, meant Bachelors and Masters in Physics. Back to back 17 hour days as Disneyland just caught up to me. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT There is no hell That's funny. I have a boy going for his bachelors and masters in Phoenix at the same time and we were just discussing this exact joke. The one we saw was a test question to a college student who had to answer whether Hell was exothermic or endothermic. http://www.pinetree.net/humor/thermodynamics.html -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT There is no hell 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take into account the fact that I slept with her the next night, then number two must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why Teresa kept shouting 'Oh my God.' (an oldie but goodie, I wish I could take credit)
[AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
I've got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5 I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that's called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
I’m trying to mount either a bullet camera or a box camera with this type of bracket Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 6:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick Is that the only option? Are you trying to mount a J-Pole or what type of bracket? On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that’s called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick
The Dremel is too small but the diamond cut grinding wheel sounds like a great idea combined with a concrete drill bit and hammer drill. Thanks guys. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 9:28 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick Dremel rotary saw with either a cone or flat wheel is what you'd be looking for. One of these: http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Tools/Pages/CategoryProducts.aspx?catid=2013 with one of these: http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/SubCategories.aspx?catid=2071catname=Structured+Tooth+Carbide+Cutters They work fantastic for jobs like this. Honestly, unless you plan to use it a *lot* get the corded version too. The battery versions (well, the *cheap* model I have) are pathetic for battery life IMO. And, if like me, for odd jobs where you need such a tool, you can probably suffer an extension cord. -Steve D On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m trying to mount either a bullet camera or a box camera with this type of bracket Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 6:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick Is that the only option? Are you trying to mount a J-Pole or what type of bracket? On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just flat or something like a counter sink tool. Can someone please tell me what that’s called? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Check out Everfocus. They are a very good value. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations Aircams are not pan tilt zoom, he is searching for something more like an axis camera. $900+ On Dec 26, 2014 10:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What's wrong with using a Ubnt AirCam? http://inxwireless.com/rain/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven’t seen if for a while. A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his commercial business park. We might install and provide local bandwidth for free if they buy the camera. A little good will between us, them, and the community. So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money are we talking to get something that doesn’t suck? It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution. Good low light would be nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously. I assume a small heater is required to avoid condensation but I don’t know that. Are these available POE? PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Ha, yea. I’ve done that enough times over the last few years. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Ho, ho, ho... You’ll shoot your eye out kid... From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Yea, because all of us were thinking what a fair, equitable, and honest system
the government really is and that Obama would never hire a lobbyist in his
administration. Do you exchange Christmas cards with Tommy, Bill?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Now you've done it. You've ticked off Rory. Watch out, he'll probably team up
with Steve and go on a revenge mission.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/25/2014 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Seriously, Linked in sends me these random “Endorse Rory Conaway for
his knowledge of the mating habits of the North American
Fruitfly”.
I want two additional buttons:
“How the hell should I know ?”
-and-
“Pretty sure he is an idiot when it comes to that subject”
If you could give a thumbs down the overall endorsements might actually
have some weight whereas now they are more of a polite social ping job.
From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
If the opportunity came up, I’d have to consider it, depending on the client
and the censorship. For example, I’ve got a couple projects in countries that
have problems with poverty, kidnappings, rapes, developmental Democratic
issues, etc… Bringing them internet and other technical solutions to try and
solve these problems makes the projects worthwhile. Providing bandwidth isn’t
the only application for communications technologies.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
So Rory, are you eyeing Cuba for WISP consulting opportunities?
From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Yea, because all of us were thinking what a fair, equitable, and honest system
the government really is and that Obama would never hire a lobbyist in his
administration. Do you exchange Christmas cards with Tommy, Bill?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Now you've done it. You've ticked off Rory. Watch out, he'll probably team up
with Steve and go on a revenge mission.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/25/2014 9:03 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Seriously, Linked in sends me these random “Endorse Rory Conaway for
his knowledge of the mating habits of the North American
Fruitfly”.
I want two additional buttons:
“How the hell should I know ?”
-and-
“Pretty sure he is an idiot when it comes to that subject”
If you could give a thumbs down the overall endorsements might actually
have some weight whereas now they are more of a polite social ping job.
From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck?
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
I didn’t say it was bad J. We have a bunch of college kids here so I was outvoted on what we were going to watch. Star Trek didn’t even come up. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my interest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
Hahahaha, I didn’t see that. I’m going over there this morning. I’ll find out. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... What the heck is this? Is that some type of foot claw animal thing that has been ripped from its body? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 18:59 To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
Yes. But he has a lot of Suzukis. The neighbor has a 56 Chevy Truck my buddy is checking on next week. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Is that blue and white truck int he background and old Scout? On Dec 24, 2014 6:50 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hahahaha, I didn’t see that. I’m going over there this morning. I’ll find out. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... What the heck is this? Is that some type of foot claw animal thing that has been ripped from its body? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 18:59 To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
What version of the software are you running? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. Integrated unit, gain was up to spec… repalced with ptp600, we were getting 20-30 mbps under similar circumstances. Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 at 6:37 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. Sounds like 5GHz isn‘t usable at all there. You tested the integrated unit? Doesnt the higher gain antenna help? Does the Antenna deliver the calculated gain? Would be interesting to compare it to a PTP600/650. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini via Af Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Dezember 2014 11:07 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. We tried a 2.5 mile link on a heavy noise floor area. Linked at –52, best channel we could find gav2 us a 12db SNR… only passed 1meg. Going to try on another area Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 at 1:41 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. It’s pretty good. We don’t have a high noise environment although I can run tests in 5.8GHz which would be pretty noisy. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. How's your noise? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The unit is still in Beta mode so all the features aren’t fully operations. Right now it’s best used with fixed frequencies, either on the same channel or split channels. For example, you can run 40MHz on 5.8HGz and 40MHz on 5.1GHz for long range links. When the auto function is implemented fully, the radio will make that decision for you. Right now the radios are working fine. Chuck Hogg is pushing a lot more data through his than I am though. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. This is what I want and should be possible from looking at the data. But as there are testers on this forum it might not be neccesary to do guesswork ;-)). Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af Gesendet: Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 13:34 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. I would expect it to be seamless as the radio still has connectivity on one channel during all of this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:48:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. I'm curious to see what the seamless channel change looks like in terms of hiccup across each side of an OSPF /30 between a pair of routers... How many milliseconds of weirdness, if you're logged into a router console on one end and pinging the other? On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Are there still NDAs or can you share you’re experience? Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with seamless channel change and overall stability. Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on nearby channels … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping.. Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying, higher density deployment for a different model. Rory
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
Sorry, it should have said “if you think working on a tower is dangerous…” From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
The back yard. Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5 Original message From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com Date:12/23/2014 8:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Wth is that!? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5 20141223_171437.jpg
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
Yea, every time we bent over the tower to do something more, we experienced many strange and new exotic smells. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... I'd be afraid to stand on that on the ground. And I've been on some shady shit. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The back yard. Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S(r) 5 Original message From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com Date:12/23/2014 8:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous... Wth is that!? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S(r) 5 20141223_171437.jpg
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Wow, I saw 2.07 in Phoenix and thought it was good. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:52 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Gas at 1.87 a gallon today Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 4:20 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: As long as they leave my shrubbery alone. Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 1:21 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think we still have a citadel or two, don’t we? From: Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Well, North Korea threatened to blow up our “citadels” in retaliation. “Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:48 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... Polemic movie. I thought it was a comedy Jaime Solorza On Dec 23, 2014 12:34 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, it is the top local newspaper Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] My new years even present
Go to open up my Powerbeams for installations in the morning and find out that someone switched the Powerbeam hardware with NanoBridge hardware and put them in the PowerBeam box. Problem is these were ordered several months ago. Figuring out who did the switch is going to be tough. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
It's pretty good. We don't have a high noise environment although I can run
tests in 5.8GHz which would be pretty noisy.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
How's your noise?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Dec 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
The unit is still in Beta mode so all the features aren't fully
operations. Right now it's best used with fixed frequencies, either on the
same channel or split channels. For example, you can run 40MHz on 5.8HGz and
40MHz on 5.1GHz for long range links. When the auto function is implemented
fully, the radio will make that decision for you. Right now the radios are
working fine. Chuck Hogg is pushing a lot more data through his than I am
though.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
via Af
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
This is what I want and should be possible from looking at the data.
But as there are testers on this forum it might not be neccesary to do
guesswork ;-)).
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett via Af
Gesendet: Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 13:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I would expect it to be seamless as the radio still has connectivity on
one channel during all of this.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I'm curious to see what the seamless channel change looks like in terms
of hiccup across each side of an OSPF /30 between a pair of routers... How
many milliseconds of weirdness, if you're logged into a router console on one
end and pinging the other?
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Are there still NDAs or can you share you're experience?
Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with
seamless channel change and overall stability.
Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on
nearby channels ...
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory
Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more
for relaying, higher density deployment for a different model.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on
there.
They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.� They're not running
4x4 MIMO, they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.� So they use two radios at each end,
and two separate channels.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a
writeup for the list?
Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization
variants? Kinda looks like it from the funny antenna elements.
�
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
�
[AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract
I was just wondering what it cost per year for an MR58 for support or operation? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract
Not sure. I’m looking them up now. From what I understood, they are 100% cloud managed with no local appliance option so I’m trying to determine that costs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:04 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract Aren't they a Cisco droid now? Probably similar Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 9:58 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was just wondering what it cost per year for an MR58 for support or operation? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract
Thank you Gino. That's good information to have. I appreciate it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract Btw the mr58 its no longer available, replaced by mr66 and mr72 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2014 at 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract Meraki rocks! I buy 3 year licenses for my stuff, all MR licenses cost similar... 3 year is about $150 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2014 at 1:17 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract I think Gino uses Meraki Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FYI we tried several of their AP's when I worked at school district. We were not impressed with performanceWe had better speeds and coverage with simple PicoStations for teachers, administrators and staffUni-Fi for students and guests Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not sure. I'm looking them up now. From what I understood, they are 100% cloud managed with no local appliance option so I'm trying to determine that costs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:04 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick question on Meraki yearly support contract Aren't they a Cisco droid now? Probably similar Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 9:58 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was just wondering what it cost per year for an MR58 for support or operation? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
[AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
I haven't started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
I hadn't checked yet but I figured HE had to be there. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:36 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Good ole' HE will have hard to beat pricing... 55 South Market Ryan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers I haven't started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane
Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
Apparently it was San Jose, New Mexico, not San Jose. My bad. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Depending on scale, if you can afford a few cross connects and the exchange port, I'd almost recommend peering with HE (along with the others on the exchange) and saving your dollars to purchase something nicer. The exchange will take care of your Akamai, FaceBook, Google, NetFlix, Microsoft, HE, etc. HE and Cogent have big and growing networks, but they are also the easiest of the big operators to peer with. You'll get customer routes (which is growing), which may chop out a lot of your traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:35:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Good ole’ HE will have hard to beat pricing… 55 South Market Ryan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers I haven’t started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying,
higher density deployment for a different model.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on there.
They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.� They're not running 4x4 MIMO,
they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.� So they use two radios at each end, and two
separate channels.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a writeup for the list?
Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization variants? Kinda looks
like it from the funny antenna elements.
�
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
�
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
Seriously, that would have been very cool. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) That's funny. My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say that one out loud. Arrow SmithI don't think so. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My last name is House. When my son was on the way my wife and I were discussing names for him. She suggested Porter. She was serious until I made her say his whole name out loud. Craig From: Ben Wirch via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub. On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
We had a customer come into Radio Shack whose name was Debbie Lesbie. It was on her check. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 2:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing. There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though. I worked with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry Dyke. I went to school with a Jerry Ferry. Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website. From: Craig House via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover From: Jon Bruce via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain. On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote: I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from. Like I.P. Freely. Seymour Butts juvenile stuff. Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It took me a moment... From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated) My favorite is Chuck U. Farley Jaime Solorza On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined. Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st century.
[AFMUG] The day after the office Christmas party
The Morning after the Big Party! So take care this Holiday Season... In case you are thinking of overindulging during the holidays, look at these photos! THE MORNING AFTER THE BIG PARTY!! http://www.eatliver.com/hungover-animals/ http://www.eatliver.com/hungover-animals/ http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover2.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover3.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover4.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover5.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover6.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover7.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover8.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover9.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover10.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover11.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover12.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover13.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover14.jpg http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hungover15.jpg http://www.retirement-quotes.com/images/Laugh%20a%20Little%20Each%20Day.jpg
[AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-br inging-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture
It’s for covering a park and has to have prosecutorial evidence at a distance. Even HD cameras aren’t high enough resolution considering the distance and area of coverage. I need a high pixel count for that. I’d rather grab pictures at 5 seconds if possible but I think that’s too fast although I haven’t tested a camera with USB 3.0. My bigger problem is that I need a commercial solution but I may have to do a hybrid system. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:11 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture One DVR with two cameras...set one for recording with motion detection with 15 seconds cache before and 15 seconds after event. Set second camera to record all the time and just scroll to event time of interest. Get large HD and clean out what is not needed after two weeks. Not sure why you need it every 15 secs. Jaime Solorza On Dec 10, 2014 11:30 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking for a security system that has two types of cameras, one motion camera and one still camera. It has to be outdoor, meaning up to 130 degrees, and can shoot multi-megapixel pictures every 15 seconds or so. I need the server to not only record both, but use a FIFO archiving system that supports a couple weeks. Has anyone seen an integrated system like this or am I setting up 2 systems? Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
I’m looking at this as the reason to raise prices. I don’t see a downside but
I don’t have towers.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to
straighten up, right?
From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i
honestly don't even...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Ghering via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming4Know.
It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand
4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week.
I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will
stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will
support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
This is going to make for an ugly christmas season.
If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont
offer that speed currently
but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and
the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything
we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable
run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im
kind of afraid of the girl.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not
appear to be rocket science.
From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon
streaming 4Know.
I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM,
they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Because then people could save the movies in RAM, and someone would
figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for
free.
It's a licensing issue... that's why streaming is OK.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not
stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
It's really too bad that the devices that support all
these streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of
their licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any
quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc.
Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to
187.5MB of storage space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for
$15 full retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for
less than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a
TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video.
Travis
On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
That’s pretty cool.
You can do 4k direct from Youtube.
Several of the ones I’ve tested are sustained
around 20-30Mbps.
But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps
then sit around for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps.
I think the 4k will require a lot of
optimizations before it works on the built in TV’s.
Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture
Thanks, I forgot about that feature. I know the one that I have has a 2500x1500 or something still image mode. I was hoping to get something much higher resolution though. Something like what Earthcam does. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] security system with still camera capture On 12/10/14, 10:29 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I’m looking for a security system that has two types of cameras, one motion camera and one still camera. It has to be outdoor, meaning up to 130 degrees, and can shoot multi-megapixel pictures every 15 seconds or so. I need the server to not only record both, but use a FIFO archiving system that supports a couple weeks. Has anyone seen an integrated system like this or am I setting up 2 systems? Not really a system but Axis cameras do this internally. I have mine set to capture a series of stills on motion along with recording video in parallel. The stills are easy to scan through then you can go back and look at the video if needed. I haven't specifically tried it, but it does have a frames per minute option for still captures. I would expect if you set it to 12 on a continuously active rule that it would output a JPEG every 5 seconds. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone
I heard Ubiquiti was sending him on a cruise for an indefinite time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone The FCC is sending him to Guantanamo Bay for reeducation On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: From what I've gathered he just wants a change of daily routine. Nothing points to any health problems and I'm certainly hoping I'm right on that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hope it is Rick going on to better things than some of the alternatives... -Original Message- From: Jeff Broadwick via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rick gone +1! WISPA would not be where it is today without Rick's efforts. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc. jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Rick gone Hey, Not sure if people saw this already, but Rick Harnish, the executive director of WISPA, announced he is stepping down at the end of January. He didn't give any other information, other than he was thankful for being part of WISPA over the last many years. Rick did many great things for WISPA, and I wish him the best of luck in his next endeavor. When he became the ED for WISPA almost 4 years ago, there were only 200 members. Today there are over 830 members, and the group now has enough money and influence to actually make a difference with the FCC and other government groups. I always enjoyed seeing Rick at the shows, and I know he will be missed. Good luck to you Rick. :) Travis -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything. That’s not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of communication it will take. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be very tough... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know Ben as an official ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to guarantee success. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links with AF5. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
Get your passport and come down to Las Vegas. Whatever you learn here, stays here. Las Vegas has its own implied NDA. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover. I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia? Timbuktu, Mali? Somewhere that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything. That’s not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of communication it will take. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be very tough... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know Ben as an official ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to guarantee success. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links with AF5. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
There was an 8 mile link with some Gigacom equipment that I saw but I think if someone spit in the area, the link went down. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover. I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia? Timbuktu, Mali? Somewhere that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything. That’s not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of communication it will take. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be very tough... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know Ben as an official ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to guarantee success. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links with AF5. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote
Re: [AFMUG] Details matter....Mbps
That is awesome advertising. I'll keep it in mind when we drop 250Mbps on an area. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Details matterMbps -- Thank you, Greg Osborn Tech Support and Field Service Manager OnlyInternet.Net 1.800.363.0989 http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet http://www.twitter.com/oibwhttp://www.onlyinternet.net/
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. Von: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 An: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
[AFMUG] security system with still camera capture
I'm looking for a security system that has two types of cameras, one motion camera and one still camera. It has to be outdoor, meaning up to 130 degrees, and can shoot multi-megapixel pictures every 15 seconds or so. I need the server to not only record both, but use a FIFO archiving system that supports a couple weeks. Has anyone seen an integrated system like this or am I setting up 2 systems? Rory
[AFMUG] This is a Japanese commercial
This was sent to me by Esme Vos to promote the speeds of LTE. Riffing on the popular Japanese TV segment 3 Minute Cooking, the cell phone carrier DOCOMO has created an ad called 3 Second Cooking to promote the fast speeds of their Full LTE service. The fried shrimp version of the ad starts off just like the original cooking show with the list of ingredients: shrimp, flour, bread crumbs, eggs, but then takes a unexpected, technical twist: 2 LTE lanes, 1 total control computer, 6 air pressure adjustment devices, heat-proof goggles and any sort of shock-absorbent material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkaIoH6Um60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkaIoH6Um60 Rory
Re: [AFMUG] BH distances
I'd be looking at an 802.11ac at this time for PTP links. We are using a bunch of PowerBeam-400's although I really need DFS and 5150 since I'm in the middle of two cities but they are working great. If the 110's had been out 4 months ago we probably would have worked with them. However, once my inventory of PB-400's run low, I'm doing everything after that in 802.11ac. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BH distances Yes... a 2' Force would be nice, but it's not exactly a huge problem to just use another brand and buy the radio mount. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BH distances Exactly why I said Cambium needs to do a Force 2' dish that I can slap a Laird radome on. I mean I can use a Laird dish, but there's no radio mount like a Rocket dish. On 12/5/2014 4:36 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote: If you go with 2' dishes, you should be able to get 8.5 miles out of 5.1ghz... that would definitely be pushing it with the Force PTP110 though... it still might be doable though, depending on what you need. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rex-List Account via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BH distances Darn it. Was hoping for more. I need to do a 8.5 mile link and 5.7 is pretty full at one end. Hey Cambium why not add ePMP PTP to Link Planner so I don�t have to learn Radio Mobile. Would 2.4 reach 8.5 miles? � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BH distances � Assuming force110ptp?� You're looking at 25 dbi antennas so my guesses � 5.1@18dbm is probably 5 miles 5.5@13dbm is probably 3 miles 5.7@23dbm is probably 10 miles � Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 � On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Rex-List Account via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am looking to plan out some tower site expansions. Thinking of using ePMP for some low cost back hauls. They will cover the 5.1, 5.2, 5.4, and 5.7 bands all with the same radio. This is nice. I noticed they have different power output restrictions in the different bands. What kind of range can I expect to get in each band? Thanks in advance! � Rex �
Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
MSE is almost useless nowadays. We tell people to either get Norton or BitDefender. However, we also have MalwareBytes on the Barracuda in case they need something more. With web filtering, I rarely see issues any more and if we do see them, either we or the Barracuda cut them off until they clear up the problem. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Yes and I stated so in that e-mail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:46:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking You do understand most of those IPs will be infected computers with a bot doing the scanning, not a bad guy sitting at his own computer, right? As far as customers, we tell them they need to at a minimum have Microsoft Security Essentials or the free version of a commercial AV. If they ask for a recommendation of a commercial AV product, we tell them we use ESET. Nothing will protect someone who engages in risky online activity or clicks before thinking. Those people need a good local computer shop (not Geek Squad) to rescue their computer and data and to install security software. And amazingly, I still need to tell people that securing their WiFi is not optional, and 1234 is not an acceptable email password. From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking No bursting anywhere for anything. Currently I firewall all IPs that touch my honey pot IPs or attempt SSH at my edge. No need to have any of them on my network. I'm implementing a method to bring all servers, routers, switches, etc. back to a central syslog where I run my analysis there. That will then capture the more distributed scans\attacks. Other than a whitelist, violators will be thrown into a BGP blackhole. It'll also fire off an e-mail to the RIR registered abuse contact. If you're doing any sort of trickery or trickeration (intentional via script kiddie\worse or unintentional via malware), I don't want simple scans escalating into something more complex and possibly more damaging. You do the simple stuff, into the blackhole you go. I do understand that the abuse contact on the other side isn't likely to do much, but for the networks that will take action, I'd like to give them the information to do so. Plus if enough people do it, the abuse contacts are going to have to do something. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com To: memb...@wispa.org Cc: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:28:16 AM Subject: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Two questions for the group this am. 1. Are you setting burst limits for Netflix or other streaming video services on your network routers? If so, what rate are you limiting it at? 2. With 97% of the US networks now Hackable, what are you doing on your side and advising customers to do? Meaning… what front line defenses are you taking and what software and/or hardware protection are you recommending to your customers? (It would appear that the majority of hacks these days are actually Malware infections inside the network - Employee related errors) Put your 2 cents in. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
Radio Shack reminds me of the Walking Dead. I’ll be surprised if the see 2016. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking My wife is watching that new show Gotham and now I’m scared of Radio Shack and Geek Squad employees because they remind me of that Penguin character. From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking If they want free I point them to security essentials, all the free products are worthless, security essentials is the lightest, so malwayre has less probability of taking advantage of taxed processor/cpu ala anything norton. malwarebytes seems to be the best at catching things if they want paid AV its always kasperky though it causes notable slowness on the interwebs, since it actually scans stuff Geek squad is actually a great solution, send them there, then you dont have to worry about it since their computer no longer works, better than telling them to unplug the power cord On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I haven't decided to integrate my idea with SPAM prevention, but I've been thinking about it. ;-) I'll get the other stuff working first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:24:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I've had a similar discussion with customers who manually block the email address of everyone who sends them spam. So they have a blacklist of thousands of random fictitious email addresses that sound like the real names of Batman villains. They feel good blocking the spammers, so I've given up trying to talk them out of it. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I can't force the abuse contact to do anything. If you don't try something, you're just as complicit. Fail2Ban with custom rules and actions is what I'm working on. Just because it is a dynamic pool doesn't mean people don't perpetually have the same IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:27:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Just when you put all that effort into it, and talk about throwing violators into a BGP blackhole, and forcing abuse contacts to take action, it seemed inconsistent with the reality. Plus the fact that a lot of those will be dynamic pool addresses. If you’re talking about something like Fail2ban and blocking SSH for 60 minutes, that makes sense. SSH and RDP dictionary attacks are a big problem, as are DNS amplification attacks. But rarely does the source IP actually identify who is behind the attack, just one of millions of bots. It seems a futile exercise to block them one IP address at a time. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Yes and I stated so in that e-mail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:46:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking You do understand most of those IPs will be infected computers with a bot doing the scanning, not a bad guy sitting at his own computer, right? As far as customers, we tell them they need to at a minimum have Microsoft Security Essentials or the free version of a commercial AV. If they ask for a recommendation of a commercial AV product, we tell them we use ESET. Nothing will protect someone who engages in risky online activity or clicks before thinking. Those people need a good local computer shop (not Geek Squad) to rescue their computer and data and to install security software. And amazingly, I still need to tell people that securing their WiFi is not optional, and 1234 is not an acceptable email password. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking No bursting anywhere for anything. Currently I firewall all IPs that touch my honey pot IPs or attempt SSH at my edge. No need to have any of them on my network. I'm implementing a method to bring all servers, routers, switches, etc. back to a central syslog where I run my analysis there. That will then capture the more distributed scansattacks. Other than a whitelist, violators will be
Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking
Oops, if they see 2016. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Radio Shack reminds me of the Walking Dead. I’ll be surprised if the see 2016. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking My wife is watching that new show Gotham and now I’m scared of Radio Shack and Geek Squad employees because they remind me of that Penguin character. From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking If they want free I point them to security essentials, all the free products are worthless, security essentials is the lightest, so malwayre has less probability of taking advantage of taxed processor/cpu ala anything norton. malwarebytes seems to be the best at catching things if they want paid AV its always kasperky though it causes notable slowness on the interwebs, since it actually scans stuff Geek squad is actually a great solution, send them there, then you dont have to worry about it since their computer no longer works, better than telling them to unplug the power cord On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I haven't decided to integrate my idea with SPAM prevention, but I've been thinking about it. ;-) I'll get the other stuff working first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:24:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I've had a similar discussion with customers who manually block the email address of everyone who sends them spam. So they have a blacklist of thousands of random fictitious email addresses that sound like the real names of Batman villains. They feel good blocking the spammers, so I've given up trying to talk them out of it. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking I can't force the abuse contact to do anything. If you don't try something, you're just as complicit. Fail2Ban with custom rules and actions is what I'm working on. Just because it is a dynamic pool doesn't mean people don't perpetually have the same IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 09:27:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Just when you put all that effort into it, and talk about throwing violators into a BGP blackhole, and forcing abuse contacts to take action, it seemed inconsistent with the reality. Plus the fact that a lot of those will be dynamic pool addresses. If you’re talking about something like Fail2ban and blocking SSH for 60 minutes, that makes sense. SSH and RDP dictionary attacks are a big problem, as are DNS amplification attacks. But rarely does the source IP actually identify who is behind the attack, just one of millions of bots. It seems a futile exercise to block them one IP address at a time. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking Yes and I stated so in that e-mail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:46:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking You do understand most of those IPs will be infected computers with a bot doing the scanning, not a bad guy sitting at his own computer, right? As far as customers, we tell them they need to at a minimum have Microsoft Security Essentials or the free version of a commercial AV. If they ask for a recommendation of a commercial AV product, we tell them we use ESET. Nothing will protect someone who engages in risky online activity or clicks before thinking. Those people need a good local computer shop (not Geek Squad) to rescue their computer and data and to install security software. And amazingly, I still need to tell people that securing their WiFi is not optional, and 1234 is not an acceptable email password. From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1. Netflix 2. Hacking No bursting anywhere for anything. Currently I firewall all IPs that touch my honey pot IPs or attempt SSH at my edge. No need to have any of them on my network. I'm implementing
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa
Unlike some vendors, I think they are just taking their time on the firmware to make sure it's right. It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you remember, it took several Ubiquiti quite a long time on the M series to get past some chipset features and the Quantenna chipset is pretty new. They are blazing the trail here the same as the Cambium products. Remember the delays on the 450 due to hardware? At this point I only get annoyed if I don't know if there is any progress like AirControl or the 12 month old Beta firmware on AirGateways. Considering I'm using boatloads of them, I'd like to see it come out of Beta someday. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa Got a call from our distributor. Next delivery date for our B5 link is mid of January. Hope they have enough capital to live without selling anything. We've not paid anything so we've no real problem with this.
Re: [AFMUG] Oreilly.com
I just watched his Killing Kennedy movie last night. Too bad he didn’t cover more about what happened after the shooting. Hey, I might have to buy the book J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:46 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Oreilly.com Whew. Thought bill oreillys book were half off. Well I like fantasy Jaime Solorza On Dec 1, 2014 7:19 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Any recommended books? I'm already slated to get their BGP one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Matt via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:06:05 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Oreilly.com http://www.oreilly.com/ has all ebooks and videos 50 - 60 percent off today...
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
Change the oil in the parking lot of Ford manufacturing next time and tell them to quit doing stupid designs like this. When basic maintenance like changing an alternator means lifting the engine block off the mounts or it takes 8 hours to change a power steering pump, that’s a stupid design. That’s why Taurus owners get rid of their cars when they get out of warranty. Think about how many 1996-2005 Ford Taurus’s you see on the road. It’s why I don’t by front wheel drive cars but I don’t have to deal with snow. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop via Af Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today My 88 Ranger is bad, wife's 2000 Explorer was worse. The filter is above the frame. The drips aren't so bad, but the initial burst of oil runs on the frame and goes everywhere. Not much you can do but clean it up after the fact. - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug. I've seen pictures of the top one and how easy it is. Mine not so much. I am getting to the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm getting used to where it drains. On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM To: af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
Hahaha, yea, water and sewer just love the pretty colors it makes when you add your oil to the sewage. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today Most cities have oil drain receptacles on most streets. Quite frequently near an intersection. Look for a metal bar grating built into the curb. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil. I used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc… Their oil drum was always full. I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You do the plug first... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM To: af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil. I used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc… Their oil drum was always full. I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You do the plug first... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM To: af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT did you guys (and gals) see this?
I’m having a little trouble following the math but I’m not sure if I agree with his results. It’s Thanksgiving, I believe he should have included the derivative of the Turkey. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT did you guys (and gals) see this? https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam
Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
I’ve got an indoor unit. Seems to work okay. Can’t do much with it though until they get a management program. I’d suspect the outdoor range is very similar to Ubiquiti. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Has anyone used these as of yet? Does the outdoor version have range limitations similar to unifi? On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks. I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize it had a distribution channel. I assumed at that price point it was direct. It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though. Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a phone, not the best option. The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC. $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge. I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com'); ] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products. Hard to believe someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I sense a war coming. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment
So are they using 28GHz for the outdoor links and 5GHz for the indoor? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:42 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment check this out http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/lmds.pdf Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How much bandwidth do they have? From: Daniel White via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment Using an FCC form 602. Similar to 3.65, except they don’t have to wait for authorization since it is their spectrum. Takes about 24 hours or so. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:01 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment So one of my local WISP buddies asked me about Vivint's 28GHz deployment. He has noticed their gear on peoples rooftop with a CPE pointed back to AP on bank building and another antenna with AP used to cover neighborhood. His question is how are these licensed? Like 3.65GHz or other way since they are PTMP? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment
Probably upconverted 5GHz Quantenna chips. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment I think they made it themselves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment Who sells pmp equipment for this band? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 at 2:05 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment That makes sense now. Still doubtful on business model and ROI.Their mesh AC AP looks like a Cisco dual band AP I installed several for a Cisco partner in Midland and was not impressed with coverage and all the controller issues they had setting them up Jaime Solorza On Nov 25, 2014 10:39 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a fee for each CPE installation? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment Sorry I misspoke. They don’t own the spectrum, but they file the 602 with the spectrum holder. Similar to leasing spectrum in 38GHz, etc. Each transmit site (CPE or AP) has to be registered like 3.65GHz. Anyways the process typically takes 48 hours max. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment They own LMDS? Jaime Solorza On Nov 25, 2014 8:05 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Using an FCC form 602. Similar to 3.65, except they don’t have to wait for authorization since it is their spectrum. Takes about 24 hours or so. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:01 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment So one of my local WISP buddies asked me about Vivint's 28GHz deployment. He has noticed their gear on peoples rooftop with a CPE pointed back to AP on bank building and another antenna with AP used to cover neighborhood. His question is how are these licensed? Like 3.65GHz or other way since they are PTMP? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anything interesting on the scanner? Tyler Treat via Af wrote: I'm completely speechless. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: woot On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: 8pm central is what I heard on the radio on the way home. I didn't think about listening to the police scanner... this should be interesting. *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 7:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I think it's due at 8 PM Central. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%3E%3Chttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%3E%3Chttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%3E%3Chttps://twitter.com/ICSIL https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%3E%3Chttps:/plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%3E%3Chttps:/www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%3E%3Chttps:/twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 7:22:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour That�s awesome. Did they release the verdict? Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 6:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment
Is there a fee for each CPE installation? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment Sorry I misspoke. They don’t own the spectrum, but they file the 602 with the spectrum holder. Similar to leasing spectrum in 38GHz, etc. Each transmit site (CPE or AP) has to be registered like 3.65GHz. Anyways the process typically takes 48 hours max. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment They own LMDS? Jaime Solorza On Nov 25, 2014 8:05 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Using an FCC form 602. Similar to 3.65, except they don’t have to wait for authorization since it is their spectrum. Takes about 24 hours or so. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:01 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Vivint Wireless Experiment So one of my local WISP buddies asked me about Vivint's 28GHz deployment. He has noticed their gear on peoples rooftop with a CPE pointed back to AP on bank building and another antenna with AP used to cover neighborhood. His question is how are these licensed? Like 3.65GHz or other way since they are PTMP? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
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Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
That’s awesome. Did they release the verdict? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 6:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
That’s our policy also. Then we get to manage them. Need a dual band AirGateway next that’s less than $100. We are seeing about 40Mbps through the AirGateways which is more than most people need but I’m ready for a 5GHz version. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's yeah, air routers are so cheap to give the customer its not worth not doing On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, This is why we just included a free WiFi router with all of our installations. It wasn't a separate item on their bill, it was just part of our service. Then we had control of the router, and could actually test clear to the router from our NOC. The customers liked it because they didn't have to worry about the router, and when it failed we just replaced it, no charge. Again... customer service is what wins the day. :) Travis On 11/21/2014 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I really question if customers want a device to help them troubleshoot. More like if we (a bunch of network admins) were the customer, that’s what we’d want. It’s like the guys on Big Bang Theory trying to imagine what a regular person would want. The hurdle seems to be getting them to pay someone to fix problems in their internal network. If you can monetize this by selling an onsite support plan, or by dispatching from a separate side of your business that charges for service calls, that is good, as long as you can say this is not an Internet service problem, it is a customer network problem. Otherwise, refer them to a local computer shop that does house calls. What amazes me is the reluctance to pay us $5/mo for a managed Mikrotik router that comes with free replacement, phone support and onsite support. All of a sudden it’s not so interesting to have us solve the problem for them. Yet they will go to Best Buy and let the kid talk them into a $200 Linksys AC router as the solution to all their problems. I guess that points back to me being a poor salesman compared to the kid at Best Buy. Probably because I know the managed router is a good deal for the customer, so if they don’t want it, I’m only going to push it so hard. While Best Buy makes tons more money on a $200 router than they do on a $50 router and doesn’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for the customer, so they sell the hell out of the expensive router. And people like going to stores and buying cool gadgets. Maybe I need to rub some “new car smell” on the Mikrotik routers or something. So I guess if your proposed gizmo has a “new car smell” or “latest iPhone” aura to it, people might buy it. Just make sure that red light doesn’t have false detects, or it will just make people complain their Internet is down because the red light is on. From: David via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's Yeah we put a little thought into ours on that behalf. The customer will have to go to the trouble of signing up for these alerts and it will only show alerts associated with their tower or CPE. Even any scheduled work being done on that site. Alerts for outages on their connection only is all that will be displayed. We are not doing this for anyone on our FSK network only the 450 net. We already have the Portal for billing. On 11/20/2014 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: *An app for my phone? Yuck *Something that pushes to cutomers letting them know we're having issues? Yuck *Something that let's the customer verify their particular service is good/not? That'd be great! *Web portal for billing, easy peasy Why a node fails probably won't be detectable by a machine - in some cases it's difficult for a person to narrow it down (radio, connectors, cables, ethernet, surge, etc) but I'd like to see ideas on this of course. I use/suggest an outgoing message. IF the customer is having issues and they do call us, they hear we're having issues and hang up. This means that we're not telling 100 people there are issues when 25 are effecting ending up with 75 calls next month saying we owe them a credit when they had nothing to do with an outage. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium
There was one person a while back that said he got it working. Other than that, I have not heard of anyone else having any success but I haven't tested it with the new Titaniums yet. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium Has anyone successfully implemented? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] History Question - failed ISPs
We had one in Arizona I don’t know the name. This guy took $40M at least. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] History Question - failed ISPs OpenRange Communications On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Joe via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does anyone remember the names of the WISPs that went bankrupt after receiving millions of funding from the feds under the broadband initiative, and the president of the company was found to have bilked the company and built a multimillion dollar house? I thought there was one in Colorado, and another in Florida. This goes back 2-3 years ago. -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
Re: [AFMUG] WISPA forum
I figured it out. Some corruption in my outlook .ost file or the rules file. I also was getting a lot of legitimate emails getting sent to junk. I wiped everything and it’s rebuilding now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA forum Did you try unsubscribing and resubscribing? Did you e-mail the list admin? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 11:00:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA forum I haven’t seen an email in 3 weeks. Everything in my email looks good and I get lots of emails so just wondering what might be happening. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] WISPA forum
I haven't seen an email in 3 weeks. Everything in my email looks good and I get lots of emails so just wondering what might be happening. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuckthe Internet Up
It will get documented as writing off bad debt. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuckthe Internet Up If a nuclear weapon takes out Detroit, will that be considered a reclamation project? From: Travis Johnson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up Didn't that basically already happen to Detroit? :) Travis On 11/14/2014 9:16 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: I just finished reading a book that was gov't reports compiled from the 60's What I took away from it was if there was just 1 city in the US that was attacked, it would disrupt the entire country. The countrywide healthcare system could not handle the number of casualties, Transportation and movement of goods would be disrupted and general paranoia would set in. There didn't need to be full scale attack to bring the country to it's knees. I think their example city was Detroit, and it had far reaching consequences. On 11/14/2014 9:58 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Everyone knows that. It's when you encounter nuclear strikes nearby that you begin to change things... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I never got to use my bomb shelter! I still have a radiation detector around here somewhere and my 1965 civil defense handbook they gave out at school. Did you know that you can survive under a sheet of plywood if you put it in the corner of your basement on cinder blocks with bags of sand on top! Like... who knew! From: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up Not unused at all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about nuclear weapons? We sure did those right. Shame for them to go unused, don’t you think...? From: Cameron Crum via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up Of course all those things were 50 to almost 100 years ago. NASA is pretty much a joke these days using old faulty Russian boosters, and we are firing the best and brightest in our military. I doubt we could go to the moon or win a global conflict these days. Sad really. On Nov 13, 2014 7:05 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: USA: WWI WWII Back-To-Back Champs On 11/13/2014 03:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: WWII came out better than most people expected. bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/13/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What hasn't the government fucked up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Off I go
What planet is that? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go My office this morning Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 1:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We came We saw We kicked ass!! Coverage even in valleys shadowed by two hillsVHF headed home Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 meow Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve seen worse (or better, depending on your point of view). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:59 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go Here kitty kitty Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqZ2sEOe5K0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnclFxWLWg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:03:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go We have WiFi out here via DSL ...no cell service...I will set up booster tomorrow...we worked all afternoon setting up solar panels and battery enclosureWait till you guys see the pictures of the game room,,,here is one coming down from mesa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will share pics as I take them when I have service. ..approaching Van Horn.. Jaime Solorza On Nov 12, 2014 10:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Sounds like a fun trip. From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:23 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go reference 11-12-Web-Marfa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Good morning boys and gals: I am off to the mountains near Marfa and Big Bend country again. I will have cell coverage into Marfa and then nada. I am taking my Shireen cell amp to test from where we install the solar system and two way repeater. Looks tough but might be able to skip or bounce.. Cya Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Off I go
Planet. I’m just used to sunshine and butterflies in southern Arizona. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:56 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go Planet or plant? Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 4:51 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What planet is that? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go My office this morning Jaime Solorza On Nov 14, 2014 1:28 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We came We saw We kicked ass!! Coverage even in valleys shadowed by two hillsVHF headed home Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 meow Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve seen worse (or better, depending on your point of view). Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:59 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go Here kitty kitty Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqZ2sEOe5K0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnclFxWLWg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:03:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go We have WiFi out here via DSL ...no cell service...I will set up booster tomorrow...we worked all afternoon setting up solar panels and battery enclosureWait till you guys see the pictures of the game room,,,here is one coming down from mesa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will share pics as I take them when I have service. ..approaching Van Horn.. Jaime Solorza On Nov 12, 2014 10:46 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Sounds like a fun trip. From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:23 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off I go reference 11-12-Web-Marfa Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Good morning boys and gals: I am off to the mountains near Marfa and Big Bend country again. I will have cell coverage into Marfa and then nada. I am taking my Shireen cell amp to test from where we install the solar system and two way repeater. Looks tough but might be able to skip or bounce.. Cya Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
I tried that, it didn’t work. There is enough leeway in the current OTARD rule to exempt public areas. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Just use the magic phrase “ preempted by federal law” From: Sean Heskett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again i have never gotten an attorney (that i was paying or my client was paying) involved. the HOAs have wasted their money on attorneys only to be told by their attorneys that they should stop breaking federal law. the county has nothing to do with HOAs or federal law. HOAs are corporations set up under state law. OTARD is a federal law passed by congress that the FCC enforces. if you want to waste your time and talk to someone at the county level by all means knock yourself out but i have better things to do and the county has **NO** jurisdiction what so ever over the matter. 2 cents On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The county needs to be educated anyway and redirecting them to the county sure is a lot cheaper than getting an attorney involved. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again There is no need for that. The OTARD rules have a section that instructs entities on how to Petition the fcc for a waiver etc. Just follow OTARD and don't back down. http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe a good approach is to educate the county, then if the association argues, send them to the county. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Douglas A. via Af Hass af@afmug.com To: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:10:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again An attorney letter isn't the first option. And recommending a meeting isn't good either, as you suggest. There are a world of options, none which involve losing a potential customer or delaying an install. -- Original message -- From: Ken Hohhof via Af Date: 11/12/2014 10:06 AM To: af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Understood. It’s the letter, not the lawsuit, that does the work. Oh crap, we got a letter from his lawyer, can we just settle this? Just like with Title II regulation, it’s the paperwork, not the actual rules, that would kill us. From a practical standpoint though, many people decide one day to search for Internet service, and start calling around. You may have been sending out flyers for months, but this is your tiny window of opportunity to sell them your service. The window may just be a few hours, we’ve all had the case where you return voicemail in 30 minutes and the customer already ordered from the next ISP they called and signed a 2 year contract, so you lost the sale. So I think the answer “let me meet with the landlord or HOA or city and tell them about OTARD” is not going to be a successful sales technique except in a few situations like: - You are truly the only game in town - There is a large potential customer base that you can open up going forward by overcoming one obstacle now (like a subdivision or apartment complex or even a whole city) - This is a high value (commercial) customer and they are willing to wait a few weeks or months to get your service From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:11 AM To: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Ken, The last thing I would advocate is for anyone to lawyer up against their neighbors. The overwhelming majority of these situations are resolved with only behind the scenes work by lawyers. There's a go softly way to do this. Rory, Depends on what exactly you mean by unreasonable. Again, some informed lobbying of the city often takes care of these issues. I've written (or rewritten) many ordinances and policies to help city attorneys get things right, as I'm sure Steve, Jonathan, Rebecca and many others have. -- Original message -- From: Rory Conaway via Af Date: 11/12/2014 9:00 AM To: af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again But what do you do when the city has unreasonable restrictions and the buildings are company
Re: [AFMUG] For love of all that is evil (mikrotik/routerboard)
Usually it’s the Chinese rogue manufacturers reusing everyone else’s macs. This is going to become more interesting with IP6 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For love of all that is evil (mikrotik/routerboard) I always wondered how manufactures reuse their MACs, apparently all in the same batch On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Freaking hell, I just spent 30 minutes trying to unravel a router mystery. Ended up that both of my CCR Mikrotik routers had THE SAME MAC ADDRESSES between them! They are identical. Every port had a consecutive MAC number, but they were the same numbers for both the SFP and GigE ports across the two routers. I'm guessing they flashed them both at the manufacturer the exact same, then didn't make it through a MAC renumbering. Or is this common with Mikrotik now days? I'm sure I've encountered it before, but like once every five years. Just a FYI for all y'all who use Mikrotiks. Watch your backs (I mean MACs)! -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up
Ayn Rand was a prophet. I concur on his choice. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand: https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+randie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=sbgfe_rd=crei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA Juvenile philosophy. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up
No argument but in reality, those capabilities are the results of amazing engineering and scientific talent on the part of our industrial complex. If we spend 10 years developing it and China steals and develops it in 2 years, we have no advantage. That’s why when I heard Huawei was working with Vivint, it ticks me off. Huawei are thieves, plane and simply. Of course, we could always sign a feckless Climate Change bill with them, that helps. What we need to do is let our hacking community take down their economy and see how they like it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up The management of our military may be questionable, but our military is still badass, we can kill people on the other side of the planet like we are playing call of duty, or we can send out motherfuckers in to do some motherfucking. Left to their own devices, our military would probably never have had the questionable outcomes in conflict, the management of the military caused that. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m 100% for the military and we are very closely tied to them but there are three problems. 1) The Pentagon is as political as it comes. Generals and Admirals aren’t always looking out for the military, sometimes they are just looking out for themselves which costs lives. 2) The entire military procurement and spending processes are so corrupt and political, the waste and fraud is legendary. 3) They won’t push back on the ruling political party even when it violates their codes or they are letting their soldiers take the hit. Even with those flaws, we are the best. However, when I see China flaunting stolen F-35 technology in the face of our President, that makes me burn since we do nothing about it.! Want to go to war, stealing our intellectual secrets and destroying our economy are 2 pretty good reasons. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up The military. It's pretty awesome, you have to admit. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What hasn't the government fucked up? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:10:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand: https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+randie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=sbgfe_rd=crei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA Juvenile philosophy. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
This is going to have limited use the U.S.. Unfortunately , with tax credits for certain type of windows and window films, most of our windows don’t work well with indoor radios. We did a test one day and found that it was easier to get the signal through red brick than the window it surrounded. However, we have been installing 2.4GHz radios in windows in pre-built homes very successfully since they don’t have tinting. On another note, it’s also why you don’t want to put your radar detector on the top of the windshield. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again This is better than previous attempts in that it's a beamforming antenna on the CPE. It shapes the beam to point at the best signal it sees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:25:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general. On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE: „Mimosa's C5i just changed urban Internet forever! Never wait on your service provider install again. Self-install in seconds and experience 500+ Mbps!“ To the mimosa Fans: How they change physics to make 5GHz penetrate through windows. We have not much luck doing this with 3,5GHz licensed, beamforming and high power.
[AFMUG] Points to Ponder
There are many ways to look at a problem. WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?? SARAH PALIN: The chicken crossed the road because, Gosh darn, he's a maverick. BARACK OBAMA: Let me be perfectly clear, if the chickens like their eggs, they can keep their eggs. Period. No chicken will be required to cross the road to surrender her eggs. Period. JOHN McCAIN: My friends, the chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road. HILLARY CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road? GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here. DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun? COLIN POWELL: Now, to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road. BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken. AL GORE: I invented the chicken. JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am against it. AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he is acting by not taking on his current problems before adding any new problems. OPRAH WINFREY: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross the road so badly. So, instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to buy this chicken a new car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life in fear like the rest of the chickens. ANDERSON COOPER: We have reason to believe there is a chicken,but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road. NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he is guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks. PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American. MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way the chicken was going. I had a standing order at The Farmer's market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information. DR. SEUSS; Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chickn crossed the road, but why it crossed, I've not been told. EARNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone. GRANDPA: In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road and that was good enough for us. BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road. ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of the chicken to cross the road. JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace. BILL GATES: I have just released e-Chicken 2014, which will not only cross roads but will lay eggs, file your important documents and balance your checkbook. Internet Exploreris an integral part of e-Chicken 2014. This new platform is much more stable and will never reboot. ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken? COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
But what do you do when the city has unreasonable restrictions and the buildings are company buildings on a property such as an RV park? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Well, Open Range has been gone for quite awhile. But people are not looking for us to help them lawyer up and fight their neighbors over an antenna. They are looking for us to fix the problem by providing them service without an outdoor antenna. This is probably more of an issue in town, we are more rural. But HOA covenants aside, many people will be on the opposite side of the building from the tower. And even OTARD doesn’t let you put an antenna on common areas, only the areas for your exclusive use like a balcony. So there will always be some demand for indoor CPE, probably not a ton though. And as people have noted, Mimosa seems optimistic about how well this will work. From: Hass, Douglas A. via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:27 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again J While you certainly can contract away certain rights, this isn’t one of them. It’s like trying to contract with your employee that you will give him a 1099 or not pay him overtime. Your employee an sign it, but you can’t enforce it. OTARD trumps any contract laws that purport to force some other regime. There’s still quite a bit of confusion out there on this among HOAs, surprisingly. A local government, HOA, neighborhood association, etc. can’t enforce a covenant that impairs the installation, maintenance or use of antennas covered by OTARD (and yours are) in “exclusive use” areas. Many (most?) HOAs have long since fixed their covenants so that the restrictions apply only to common areas (like a roof of a multiunit condo building) or only when there’s some common antenna for use. You have to look at the covenant, but I would be very surprised if you couldn’t still service all of those customers who called. Ken—hit me up off list if you are still getting calls like these and we can look at what you have. Doug From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Doug Haas's favorite example is that it's illegal to kill somebody. You can't sign a contract to kill somebody and make it legal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:47:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again When Open Range went poof, we got several calls from people in townhomes who really loved their indoor CPEs, their HOA didn’t allow outdoor antennas, and OTARD was no use because they had signed a covenant. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again This is going to have limited use the U.S.. Unfortunately , with tax credits for certain type of windows and window films, most of our windows don’t work well with indoor radios. We did a test one day and found that it was easier to get the signal through red brick than the window it surrounded. However, we have been installing 2.4GHz radios in windows in pre-built homes very successfully since they don’t have tinting. On another note, it’s also why you don’t want to put your radar detector on the top of the windshield. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again This is better than previous attempts in that it's a beamforming antenna on the CPE. It shapes the beam to point at the best signal it sees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:25:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general. On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now Mimosa announced an indoor window
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
It’s still an active battle so if any lawyers out there want to get involved, let me know. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again That’s like saying I can’t make an agreement with my wife not to put a satellite dish on the roof. You can agree to anything you want. There may be legal remedies in a court of law, but that doesn’t stop you from signing the agreement. And remember in cases like homeowners associations, people may actually want those rules. They don’t want their neighbor painting their house purple or burying an old car in the front lawn as art or having 17 dogs or free range chickens. There is also the wise saying “choose your battles”. I think Rory’s case of city regulations would be a better battle to fight over this. From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Great example. The federal government restricts their ability to do that. You can't agree to violate that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 8:25:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Bad example. The agreement wasn’t to do something illegal like kill someone. You can agree not to paint your house purple, not to have kids (retirement community), etc. in order to live there. In any case, it’s a “how many angels can dance on the head of the pin” argument, the bottom line is these people wanted an indoor CPE and liked the WiMAX ones they got from Open Range. But I think a mobile hotspot would probably serve the purpose, not sure what kind of usage cap Open Range had. Also I think most of us get the people who don’t want our service because they don’t want an outdoor antenna for whatever reason and can’t understand why we have to put it outside, after all we’re “wireless”. So there is at least some demand for indoor CPE. Whether the Mimosa product actually works as claimed is another matter. And even in 900 MHz, the Canopy indoor CPE was a poor enough seller they discontinued it. From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Doug Haas's favorite example is that it's illegal to kill somebody. You can't sign a contract to kill somebody and make it legal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:47:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again When Open Range went poof, we got several calls from people in townhomes who really loved their indoor CPEs, their HOA didn’t allow outdoor antennas, and OTARD was no use because they had signed a covenant. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 7:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again This is going to have limited use the U.S.. Unfortunately , with tax credits for certain type of windows and window films, most of our windows don’t work well with indoor radios. We did a test one day and found that it was easier to get the signal through red brick than the window it surrounded. However, we have been installing 2.4GHz radios in windows in pre-built homes very successfully since they don’t have tinting. On another note, it’s also why you don’t want to put your radar detector on the top of the windshield. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again This is better than previous attempts in that it's a beamforming antenna on the CPE. It shapes the beam to point at the best signal it sees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:25:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again
Come guys. Remember the statement that 20% of Ubiquiti’s sales are in the U.S.? Mimosa is in California so I’m fairly sure they know what a tinted windows is. So, Stefan, I would suggest not assuming everyone else is clueless and then extrapolating a bogus result from that. I’ve already got clients that have contacted me overseas that want them now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again OO burn! Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 11/12/2014 01:10 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af wrote: This announcement tells that it would be possible to use this stuff indoor behind a window and get 500+ Mbps. Modern Windows do more harm to signal than walls as they often have metal isolation included. You have to install a BS in front of every window to make this come true. At least now it is clear that this company sells hope and not true products. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie via Af Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. November 2014 09:25 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa did it again Allowing customers to install their own CPE is a bad idea in any unlicensed frequency, both for your network as well as the spectrum in general. On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Now Mimosa announced an indoor window mountable CPE: „Mimosa's C5i just changed urban Internet forever! Never wait on your service provider install again. Self-install in seconds and experience 500+ Mbps!“ To the mimosa Fans: How they change physics to make 5GHz penetrate through windows. We have not much luck doing this with 3,5GHz licensed, beamforming and high power.
[AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News
I'm planning on sending Tom a sympathy card. He is caught between his boss, Democratic donors, and his past and future clients. FCC HEAD MAY BREAK WITH OBAMA ON NET NEUTRALITY While many liberal Democrats are falling in line behind President Obama's call for the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify the Internet to be regulated like a public utility, the commission's head is signaling he may not be on board with the president's more hardline approach to net neutrality. WaPo: [A]gency Chairman Tom Wheeler said he preferred a more nuanced solution. His approach would deliver some of what Obama wants but also would address the concerns of the companies that provide Internet access to millions of Americans, such as Comcast, Time Warner Cable and ATT. 'What you want is what everyone wants: an open Internet that doesn't affect your business,' a visibly frustrated Wheeler said at [a Monday] meeting, according to four people who attended. 'What I've got to figure out is how to split the baby.' Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News
The problem with the common carrier argument is what’s happening in state the owns the fiber built with grant money. They only license one company per area, making it difficult for wireless competition. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News Yep, I agree with some of the net neutrality arguments, but am wholly against common carrier unless subsidies come along with it. From: Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC article on Fox News Of course, net neutrality and the common carrier question are two completely unrelated issues. You can agree with one without agreeing to the other (regardless of which side you're on). bp part-15@SkylineBroadbandService On 11/12/2014 3:21 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I’m planning on sending Tom a sympathy card. He is caught between his boss, Democratic donors, and his past and future clients. FCC HEAD MAY BREAK WITH OBAMA ON NET NEUTRALITY While many liberal Democrats are falling in line behind President Obama’s call for the Federal Communications Commission to reclassify the Internet to be regulated like a public utility, the commission’s head is signaling he may not be on board with the president’s more hardline approach to net neutrality. WaPo: “[A]gency Chairman Tom Wheeler said he preferred a more nuanced solution. His approach would deliver some of what Obama wants but also would address the concerns of the companies that provide Internet access to millions of Americans, such as Comcast, Time Warner Cable and ATT. ‘What you want is what everyone wants: an open Internet that doesn’t affect your business,’ a visibly frustrated Wheeler said at [a Monday] meeting, according to four people who attended. ‘What I’ve got to figure out is how to split the baby.”’ Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] procera results
Kurt, are you blocking or shaping any torrents? I don’t see that in your chart. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] procera results Havn't shaped any traffic yet with this procera box. But here is a graph of what kind of traffic the clients are using as a whole in one days time. Of course Netflix is at top. But i am surprised at how close behind that youtube is (shows up as http media stream) Usually at any given time the Netflix/Youtube accounts for 50-75% of all traffic running through this box. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] procera results
Chuck, could you please put it in as an attachment, it’s too small. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] procera results Gotta love the real-time stats too... Regards, Chuck On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kurt, are you blocking or shaping any torrents? I don’t see that in your chart. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] procera results Havn't shaped any traffic yet with this procera box. But here is a graph of what kind of traffic the clients are using as a whole in one days time. Of course Netflix is at top. But i am surprised at how close behind that youtube is (shows up as http media stream) Usually at any given time the Netflix/Youtube accounts for 50-75% of all traffic running through this box. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] procera results
This is amazing. Thanks. What’s interesting to me is how little bandwidth torrents are using. I can put up 10 people and 2 of them are using torrents almost immediately. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] procera results i am not blocking/shaping anything right now, that bar graph is only showing the top 10 results right now Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Nov 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kurt, are you blocking or shaping any torrents? I don’t see that in your chart. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 8:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] procera results Havn't shaped any traffic yet with this procera box. But here is a graph of what kind of traffic the clients are using as a whole in one days time. Of course Netflix is at top. But i am surprised at how close behind that youtube is (shows up as http media stream) Usually at any given time the Netflix/Youtube accounts for 50-75% of all traffic running through this box. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Obama Urges Title II Classification for ISPs
My guess is he either spent 20 seconds getting a briefing between the 4th and 5th hole and now thinks he understands the entire issue because he is so much smarter than the rest of us or he asked Valerie Jarrett what his opinion should be. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Urges Title II Classification for ISPs We have a toy president On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2014/11/obama-urges-title-ii-classification-isps?type=headline -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that's in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same
The data sheets aren't updated but it makes a difference. Especially with 40MHz channels. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same I'm not sure if it's a higher clock rate or not, but it is definitely a faster CPU. I think it's the same CPU/chipset in all the XW hardware. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Luthman via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is the processor in the Nanostation M5 Loco the same I believe it is a higher clock rate. It is a new chipset. Same architecture as Nanobeam/Powerbeam. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It now uses XW firmware. Is it the same CPU/Chipset or is the new chipset running at a higher clock rate? Basically, is it the same processor that's in the Powerbeam/Titanium? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama's biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama- net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus
Wheeler had a plan that met with the approval of all of his past and future clients but Obama must have missed that meeting which might be a good thing. Regulation though, not a good thing. They should pass a law like the separation of church and state, the separation of the government and internet. No tax money, no regulation, just let the private industry make money and see what happens. Now I’m going to go take my medicine so the voices in my head quiet down. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus The Administration can’t decide how to regulate fast lanes. Congress can’t decide whether to allow taxes on the Internet*. They could kill two birds with one stone ... tax fast lanes! Why regulate something when you can tax it? 100% sin tax on paid prioritization. *actually some Senators want to link it with collecting sales tax on Internet sales From: Jason McKemie via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama just threw Tom Wheeler under the bus I really wish I would stop reading comments, but they're kinda like a train wreck. It amazes me how short sighted people are in thinking this kind of regulation is going to be a good thing for them. The only thing I can see it doing is burdening the small guys out of business, decreasing competition and very likely raising the cost of service. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Obama just told T-Tommy that his plan stinks. Since Tommy was funded by all his friends in the Telcom industry, he must be handling a whole bunch of phone calls today to try and figure out what to do. Comcast and Verizon, some of Obama’s biggest supports, have got to be fuming. This is what happens when you serve too many masters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/10/cable-companies-obama-net-neutrality-proposals-fcc-fight Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
Thanks. I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize it had a distribution channel. I assumed at that price point it was direct. It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though. Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a phone, not the best option. The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC. $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge. I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products. Hard to believe someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I sense a war coming. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
What distributor carries them on the West Coast? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Thanks. I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize it had a distribution channel. I assumed at that price point it was direct. It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though. Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a phone, not the best option. The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC. $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge. I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products. Hard to believe someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I sense a war coming. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet?
Thanks. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Wav online is the only distributor as of now from what they told me when I signed up to be a reseller. And yes it is 20% off retail with no volume commitment. On Sunday, November 9, 2014, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What distributor carries them on the West Coast? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com'); ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:41 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? Thanks. I’m shocked that you can get an additional 20% it and I didn’t realize it had a distribution channel. I assumed at that price point it was direct. It would need at least a windows or cloud support for us to use it though. Setting up a VPN tunnel wouldn’t be a problem but managing a few hundred from a phone, not the best option. The thing that shocked me was the outdoor unit cost for 802.11AC. $200 less than Ubiquiti and as you suggest, a 20% discount, that’s huge. I’m also very interested in the dual-band indoor, especially at $120. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com'); ] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl via Af Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 8:31 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Has anyone worked with the Ruckus Xclaim yet? I have one at home to play with. I generally like it but for now you can only support and manage it with an Android or iOS app with no cloud support... yet. They say it is coming so we can manage multi-site and remotely like UniFi but for now you have to be on the layer2 network with the AP's to configure them. Performance seems similar to UniFi but there are added improvements like auto channel scan and band steering and some QOS built-in. There is very little that can be configured yet. You can select channel but not channel size and the auto channel selection has caused a few issues with packet loss while the channels change but once it scans the entire band, it is very stable. We get 20% off by buying through a reseller so followup with Xclaim on who their preferred distributor is. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Pricing is really good, especially on the GHz products. Hard to believe someone could undercut Ubiquiti and if the Ruckus firmware quality is there, I sense a war coming. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.
And in cases of non-congestion where aesthetics are important, you don’t have more than 50-60 clients, and most clients are much farther than a couple miles, (although 12 is amazing), it works pretty well. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. In cases of congestion, ought you not use antennas with smaller beamwidths? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. Omni's have their places. Physical space limitations, frequency congestion, low density, mobile applications, cost, etc. Sometimes it's the right tool for the job. Mark On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Friends don't let friends deploy omnis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. We had a tower taken out by a storm. When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went with a DP omni rather than sectors. RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything. I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right direction. I'm impressed. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed.
Meant to say, aren’t much farther than a couple miles. Although even that number is going to get longer in a year or so for omnis. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. And in cases of non-congestion where aesthetics are important, you don’t have more than 50-60 clients, and most clients are much farther than a couple miles, (although 12 is amazing), it works pretty well. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 7:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. In cases of congestion, ought you not use antennas with smaller beamwidths? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:33:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. Omni's have their places. Physical space limitations, frequency congestion, low density, mobile applications, cost, etc. Sometimes it's the right tool for the job. Mark On 11/8/14, 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Friends don't let friends deploy omnis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 1:50:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Now I'm impressed. We had a tower taken out by a storm. When we replaced it I finally upgraded to 802.11n as I wanted and went with a DP omni rather than sectors. RB711 UA2HnD + ARC 13dBi DP Omni I'm fine tuning the network, made some adjustments on a tower 12 miles away, one customer didn't come back up. I started checking my other APs as sometimes they'll hop if close enough, didn't find anything. I went to the new AP 12 miles away, the client was connected to it from a little over 12 miles apparently off a sidelobe of an Airgrid 16dBi. The grid is pointing at least 20 degrees off, and I never expected that shot to work if it *was* pointed the right direction. I'm impressed. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea
I submitted a design for this about 5 years ago for a cruise line that was working along the coast line. A Bats system is necessary due to the range, 35 miles off the cost. The one I was working with was designed specifically for the PTP600. The cost of the towers and land acquisition was too high at the time. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:47 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea Tell us Jaime Solorza Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT. I wonder who’s tech is behind this? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-industrys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
Get a used Peplink off ebay. I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it. :-p www.routerboard.com They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes. How networking knowledgeable are you? http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with MT. Not to say I am not willing to learn. So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things come in nice consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB. (Back in 2003)... How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it up for me and teach us a class... We would buy the pizza... From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Mikrotik. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more bandwidth and redundancy? I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the customer’s end.
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding
http://www.peplink.com/products/balance/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Thanks, lots to digest. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Then if budget allows it, just buy new ones. Peplink is one the absolute best for this application. The support multiple redundant links and best path analysis. We have used them for 10 years with zero issues. The biggest one I have is the 710 but the newer ones are even faster. For corporate application, set and forget and you don’t need a network person to set them up, manage, or monitor them. They are really simple. If you want to log into one and see it, let me know. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Need to probably hit 50 Mbps. From: Rory Conaway via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Get a used Peplink off ebay. I’ve got a couple of older ones I’ll sell you but they are limited to 10-15Mbps. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Is Luthman here? I bet if you bought him a Giordano's pizza, he'd do it. :-p www.routerboard.com They have everything from $50 SOHO style routers on up to $1,200 Dual SFP+ (and others) boxes. How networking knowledgeable are you? http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Load_Balancing There's a TON of stuff in their WIKI. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:22:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Yeah, I anticipated that answer. I have next to zero experience with MT. Not to say I am not willing to learn. So, what exactly would it take? Just the router? Do those things come in nice consumer grade cases? Seems to me the last time I had one it was a bare PCB. (Back in 2003)... How about a bill of materials, a configuration listing, perhaps come and set it up for me and teach us a class... We would buy the pizza... From: Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Mikrotik. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:18:12 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Cheap and dirty bonding Any ideas of how to bond a wireless connection to a DSL connection for more bandwidth and redundancy? I have control over both ends of both circuits. Same IP space etc. Just don’t know if there is a low cost solution that could be applied to only the customer’s end.
Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ
That’s just it, it’s not built around a standard chipset. They can cut over from WiMax to LTE with just firmware and there is no reason not to deviate since the PHY doesn’t have to be compatible with anything else. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ The latency is in the standard, so they would have to deviate from it. Being SDR, I suppose they theoretically could, I just haven't seen it happen yet. Presumably the CPE are built around a standards based chipset, so it would probably mean an increase in price for those as well. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher? That’s manufacturer dependent since they aren’t locked to the full cellular PHY. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint. This is a big downside to this gear IMO. If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that happening. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is anyone looking at both these options? Pros and cons of one vs other? Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc? What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel? I know you cannot with 450 and it might become very useful down the road. Right now with 450 and a perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps downstream per sector. With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect connections that is really getting cut back. Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear. With LTE can we do where spectrum is scarce?
