Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-24 Thread TJ Burbank 
FWIW We have Syringa (sold to us from Scott) about 2 years ago and it's
been great. I agree it is probably overpriced a bit but the loop is
provided by the incumbent ILEC and we compete against them directly so I
think our loop price is probably higher than average.
On Apr 23, 2016 9:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Scott went somewhere else about 6 months or a year ago.

*From:* Jeremy 
*Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

No, it was Scott.  Sounds like we dodged a bullet anyway.  I feel better
about the rejection after hearing that story Travis!

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

> Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
> I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their
> owners.
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>
> They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
> resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
> the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
> out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
> a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
> the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
> less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
> a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
> business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
> that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
> when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
> buying bandwidth from their competitors.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>>
>>
>> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
>> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
>> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
>> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
>> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
>> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
>> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
>> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
>> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
>> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
>> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
>> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
>> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
>> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
>> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
>> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa
>>> is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone
>>> LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market.
>>> Idaho has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller
>>> that serve a few thousand houses.
>>>
>>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to
>>> run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>>>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>>>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi 
>>>> chipset.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown 
Scott went somewhere else about 6 months or a year ago.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

No, it was Scott.  Sounds like we dodged a bullet anyway.  I feel better about 
the rejection after hearing that story Travis!  

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

  Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
  I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their owners.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

  They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to resell 
on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at the same 
price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found out that we 
were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at a lower rate 
than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that the risk was too 
high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take less money from 
someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way, a default on the 
agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their business.  The entire 
experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel that they acted extremely 
unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again when they change their 
company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue buying bandwidth from their 
competitors.

  On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Maybe get it through Indatel instead?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 



I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They 
said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top looking 
for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned 
by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with 
WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off completely.  I offered 
to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840.  They still 
wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to 
come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the 
hand hole in front of my building where their fiber is.  Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish they 
would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open 
up my books to them and show them how wildly successful we are.  They have 
three redundant paths out of my valley and would be a great addition to our 
network.  They also have fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  
Too bad

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is 
a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs 
(non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has 
a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a 
few thousand houses. 

  Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run 
dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

  http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

  http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/


  On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

Hi,

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the 
speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this 
is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Jeremy 
No, it was Scott.  Sounds like we dodged a bullet anyway.  I feel better
about the rejection after hearing that story Travis!

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:26 AM,  wrote:

> Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
> I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their
> owners.
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>
> They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
> resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
> the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
> out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
> a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
> the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
> less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
> a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
> business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
> that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
> when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
> buying bandwidth from their competitors.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>>
>>
>> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
>> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
>> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
>> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
>> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
>> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
>> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
>> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
>> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
>> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
>> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
>> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
>> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
>> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
>> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
>> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa
>>> is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone
>>> LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market.
>>> Idaho has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller
>>> that serve a few thousand houses.
>>>
>>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to
>>> run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>>>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>>>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi 
>>>> chipset.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson 

Hi,

This doesn't really surprise me. I had gotten quotes from them for 
transport years ago, and they were always 25% higher than Centurylink 
for the exact same service.


At one point, we even purchased bandwidth from them, and it was a 
disaster. They were one of four providers we had at the time, and the 
problem was they would make BGP changes on their network on almost a 
daily basis, which would cause us issues with our other providers. We 
only kept their service for a year.


Travis


On 4/23/2016 11:11 AM, Jeremy wrote:
I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  
They said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the 
top looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely 
they "have been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the 
failure rate was a bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so 
they swore them off completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor 
and my credit score is around 840.  They still wouldn't do business 
with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to come to an 
agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the hand 
hole in front of my building where their fiber is. Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish 
they would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be 
happy to open up my books to them and show them how wildly successful 
we are.  They have three redundant paths out of my valley and would be 
a great addition to our network.  They also have fiber sitting ten 
feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs)
Syringa is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small
copper dialtone LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny
portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot of small telephone
companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few thousand
houses.

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money
to run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hi,

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This
is the speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn
impressive considering this is running the test on a six year
old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread chuck 
Was it Gabe Gomez that turned you down initially?
I am guessing they don’t like WISPS because they compete with their owners.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to resell 
on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at the same 
price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found out that we 
were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at a lower rate 
than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that the risk was too 
high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take less money from 
someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way, a default on the 
agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their business.  The entire 
experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel that they acted extremely 
unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again when they change their 
company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue buying bandwidth from their 
competitors.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Maybe get it through Indatel instead?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jeremy" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 



  I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They said 
that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top looking for 
answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned by a 
few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with 
WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off completely.  I offered 
to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840.  They still 
wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating with the CEO I got them to 
come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There is already a conduit to the 
hand hole in front of my building where their fiber is.  Needless to say, we 
passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business 
agreements work.  When they fail, there is recourse available.  I wish they 
would change their policies and do business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open 
up my books to them and show them how wildly successful we are.  They have 
three redundant paths out of my valley and would be a great addition to our 
network.  They also have fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  
Too bad

  On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is a 
pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs (non 
Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot 
of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few 
thousand houses. 

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run 
dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  Hi,

  I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the 
speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this 
is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Josh Luthman 
Maybe because you're a competing ISP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 23, 2016 1:21 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
> resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
> the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
> out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
> a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
> the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
> less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
> a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
> business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
> that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
> when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
> buying bandwidth from their competitors.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>>
>>
>> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
>> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
>> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
>> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
>> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
>> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
>> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
>> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
>> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
>> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
>> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
>> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
>> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
>> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
>> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
>> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa
>>> is a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone
>>> LECs (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market.
>>> Idaho has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller
>>> that serve a few thousand houses.
>>>
>>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to
>>> run dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>>
>>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>>>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>>>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi 
>>>> chipset.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Jeremy 
They tried to hand us off to CentraCom, who has agreements in place to
resell on their fiber network.  However, they weren't willing to do it at
the same price that we initially discussed with Syringa (before they found
out that we were a WISP).  They even offered the bandwidth to CentraCom at
a lower rate than what they offered it to us.  Apparently they felt that
the risk was too high doing business with a WISP so they would rather take
less money from someone else and let them do business with us.  Either way,
a default on the agreement would lead to a loss of that income for their
business.  The entire experience was a run-around waste of time.  I feel
that they acted extremely unprofessional.  Maybe we can approach them again
when they change their company policies.  Meanwhile, we will continue
buying bandwidth from their competitors.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Maybe get it through Indatel instead?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi
>
>
> I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
> said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
> looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
> been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
> bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
> completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
> around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
> with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
> is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
> fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
> to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
> recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
> business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
> them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
> my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
> fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is
>> a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs
>> (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho
>> has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that
>> serve a few thousand houses.
>>
>> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run
>> dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>>
>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>>
>> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett 
Maybe get it through Indatel instead? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:11:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi 


I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs. They said 
that "they had been burned by a few of them". I went to the top looking for 
answers. They still service businesses, and surely they "have been burned by a 
few of them" as well. He said that the failure rate was a bit higher with WISPs 
than businesses in general so they swore them off completely. I offered to be a 
personal guarantor and my credit score is around 840. They still wouldn't do 
business with me. After negotiating with the CEO I got them to come to an 
agreement, $30K NRC up front. There is already a conduit to the hand hole in 
front of my building where their fiber is. Needless to say, we passed on the 
offer. Syringa doesn't seem to understand how business agreements work. When 
they fail, there is recourse available. I wish they would change their policies 
and do business with WISPs. I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show 
them how wildly successful we are. They have three redundant paths out of my 
valley and would be a great addition to our network. They also have fiber 
sitting ten feet from like three of our towers. Too bad 


On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is a 
pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs (non 
Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho has a lot 
of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that serve a few 
thousand houses. 

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run dark 
fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it... 

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/ 

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/ 





On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote: 


Hi, 

I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the speedtest 
results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering this is 
running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset. 

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-23 Thread Jeremy 
I spoke with their CEO, and they refuse to do business with WISPs.  They
said that "they had been burned by a few of them".  I went to the top
looking for answers.  They still service businesses, and surely they "have
been burned by a few of them" as well.  He said that the failure rate was a
bit higher with WISPs than businesses in general so they swore them off
completely.  I offered to be a personal guarantor and my credit score is
around 840.  They still wouldn't do business with me.  After negotiating
with the CEO I got them to come to an agreement, $30K NRC up front.  There
is already a conduit to the hand hole in front of my building where their
fiber is.  Needless to say, we passed on the offer.  Syringa doesn't seem
to understand how business agreements work.  When they fail, there is
recourse available.  I wish they would change their policies and do
business with WISPs.  I'd be happy to open up my books to them and show
them how wildly successful we are.  They have three redundant paths out of
my valley and would be a great addition to our network.  They also have
fiber sitting ten feet from like three of our towers.  Too bad

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is
> a pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs
> (non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho
> has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that
> serve a few thousand houses.
>
> Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run
> dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...
>
> http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/
>
> http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
>> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
>> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-21 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
As a dark fiber operator (and WDM/transport provider for ISPs) Syringa is a
pretty cool idea. It was founded by a bunch of small copper dialtone LECs
(non Bell system) that each have a tiny portion of the Idaho market. Idaho
has a lot of small telephone companies the size of Beehive or smaller that
serve a few thousand houses.

Starting 15+ years ago, none of them individually had enough money to run
dark fiber around Idaho, but together they could do it...

http://www.syringanetworks.net/about/history/

http://www.syringanetworks.net/resources/our_network/

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm staying at a hotel in Sun Valley, Idaho this weekend. This is the
> speedtest results from their free WiFi. Pretty damn impressive considering
> this is running the test on a six year old laptop with a basic Wifi chipset.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hotel Wifi

2016-04-21 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Doesnt Larsen cover that area?