subject:"\[AFMUG\] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one\?"

It would be a fun project to frankenstein an LS7 into a Tesla :)

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> No.  But if the Leaf battery fails, it’s $6500 with labor.  If the Tesla
> battery fails, you can go buy a fully loaded Mustang for what it’s going to
> cost to replace, figure about $30K once you get past 50,000 miles.  That’s
> what scares me the most.  That’s also why we Lease at this point, until
> those prices start coming down.  Want to see devaluation, wait until a
> battery fails in a 60,000 mile Tesla, then you could pick one up for about
> $15K.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 11:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla?  Those
> fatter AA sized lithium ion batteries?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have
> zero battery.
>
> Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to pull
> over to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one
> remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
> now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
> not right.  it didn't used to do it.
>
>
>
> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%....
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
> for you...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>
>
>
> -
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> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>
>
>
> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
> minutes.
>
>
>
> And it costs you money!
>
>
>
> I charge with solar.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
>
> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
> charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>
> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes
> close in terms of comfort.
>
> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice
> upside

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No.  But if the Leaf battery fails, it’s $6500 with labor.  If the Tesla 
battery fails, you can go buy a fully loaded Mustang for what it’s going to 
cost to replace, figure about $30K once you get past 50,000 miles.  That’s what 
scares me the most.  That’s also why we Lease at this point, until those prices 
start coming down.  Want to see devaluation, wait until a battery fails in a 
60,000 mile Tesla, then you could pick one up for about $15K.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla?  Those fatter AA 
sized lithium ion batteries?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have zero 
battery.
Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to pull over 
to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one remix.  
i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.  now it just 
dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats not right.  it 
didn't used to do it.

how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%


- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and at 
my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location.


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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes.

And it costs you money!

I charge with solar.

From: Josh Luthman<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes close 
in terms of comfort.

Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
If your daily trips are fairly short, you wo

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I'm not saying you're going to get cancer from a tritium sight or
compass, but tritium leaks around reactors can be a pretty big deal if
the leak is big enough.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 1) Consider the source
> 2) They invoked nuclear bombs (fud) in the article. (Indication of lack of
> objectivity).
>
> 3) They do not tell you that tritiated water leaves your body just like beer
> does.  (Fear mongering)
>
> So, yeah,  probably the equivalent of a a few chest X rays.
>
> But that was tritiated water.  You would really have to work hard to turn
> your gun site tritium into tritiated water.
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/tritium-poisoning-at-indias-kaiga-nuclear-rea/blog/11450/
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's
>> what
>> you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an aluminum tube, how
>> bad
>> could it be? Meh.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 10:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.
>>
>> And we always have lots of bananas! ;)
>>
>> I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten
>> "depleted" uranium smoke though :/
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have
>>> a realistic sense of the relative risk.
>>>
>>> From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
>>> We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt,
>>> dissolve, evaporate...
>>>
>>> From: Stefan Englhardt
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for
>>> an
>>> insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have
>>> to
>>> reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and
>>> watch nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility
>>> to
>>> a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
>>> An: af@afmug.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
>>>
>>> Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of
>>> chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Stefan Englhardt
>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
>>> reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will
>>> learn
>>> that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for
>>> the
>>> waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.
>>>
>>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>> Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
>>> An: af@afmug.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


1) Consider the source
2) They invoked nuclear bombs (fud) in the article. (Indication of lack of 
objectivity).


3) They do not tell you that tritiated water leaves your body just like beer 
does.  (Fear mongering)


So, yeah,  probably the equivalent of a a few chest X rays.

But that was tritiated water.  You would really have to work hard to turn 
your gun site tritium into tritiated water.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/tritium-poisoning-at-indias-kaiga-nuclear-rea/blog/11450/

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's 
what
you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an aluminum tube, how 
bad

could it be? Meh.

On 4/1/2016 10:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.

And we always have lots of bananas! ;)

I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten
"depleted" uranium smoke though :/

On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have
a realistic sense of the relative risk.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt,
dissolve, evaporate...

From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for 
an
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have 
to

reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and
watch nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility 
to
a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the 
future.


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of
chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.


From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will 
learn
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for 
the

waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Well, if  it breaks, it  is  hydrogen and will shoot upward.  

Tritium beta particles are extremely low energy.   They are totally blocked by 
the phosphorus in the gun site.  If they get out, they cannot penetrate skin.  

If you purposely tried to inhale it, it would be in your body for a few weeks.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's what 
you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an aluminum tube, how bad 
could it be? Meh.

On 4/1/2016 10:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.

  And we always have lots of bananas! ;)

  I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten 
"depleted" uranium smoke though :/

  On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have a 
realistic sense of the relative risk.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt, 
dissolve, evaporate...

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an 
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to 
reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and watch 
nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to a 
separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of 
chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.  

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
    An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/tritium-poisoning-at-indias-kaiga-nuclear-rea/blog/11450/

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:21 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
> Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's what
> you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an aluminum tube, how bad
> could it be? Meh.
>
> On 4/1/2016 10:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.
>
> And we always have lots of bananas! ;)
>
> I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten
> "depleted" uranium smoke though :/
>
> On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have
>> a realistic sense of the relative risk.
>>
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
>> We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt,
>> dissolve, evaporate...
>>
>> From: Stefan Englhardt
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an
>> insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to
>> reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and
>> watch nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to
>> a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
>>
>> Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of
>> chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.
>>
>>
>> From: Stefan Englhardt
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
>> reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn
>> that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the
>> waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread George Skorup

Tritium illuminates reticles on some of my scopes, too. I assume that's 
what you're talking about anyway. It's sealed inside of an aluminum 
tube, how bad could it be? Meh.


On 4/1/2016 10:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.

And we always have lots of bananas! ;)

I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten 
"depleted" uranium smoke though :/


On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do
not have a realistic sense of the relative risk.
*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn,
melt, dissolve, evaporate...
*From:* Stefan Englhardt <mailto:s...@genias.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not
vanish for an insane amount of time. No covering material lasts
long enough. You have to reencapsule it to keep radiation inside.
You need a place to store it and watch nothing leaks. Our power
companies try to split the responsibility to a separate company.
They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A
tanker of chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.
*From:* Stefan Englhardt <mailto:s...@genias.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors
will learn that no energy company will exist long enough to take
responsibility for the waste they generated. This will be done by
the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Yeah, depleted uranium smoke would probably be hazardous  to your health, but 
not from a radiological point of view.  More from those that are shooting it at 
you...

Folks don’t generally know what radiation even is.  What the difference between 
an alpha emitter vs beta vs gamma.  And they don’t know that radiation does not 
blow in the wind any more than the light from your lava lamp can be blown 
around by your air conditioner.  

Almost everyone would agree, we do not want alpha emitters in a very fine 
aerosol form that can be inhaled.  That is bad.  But you have to work to get 
heavy alpha emitters ground  up that fine.  



From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:20 PM
To: a...@afmnug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.

And we always have lots of bananas! ;)

I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten 
"depleted" uranium smoke though :/

On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have a 
realistic sense of the relative risk.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
  We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt, 
dissolve, evaporate...

  From: Stefan Englhardt 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an 
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to 
reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and watch 
nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to a 
separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

   Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
  Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
  Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) 
  An: af@afmug.com 
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


  And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

  Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of 
chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.  


  From: Stefan Englhardt 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

   Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
  Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
  Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
  An: af@afmug.com 
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I can't count the amount of tritium in my house on two hands.

And we always have lots of bananas! ;)

I used to be stuck in a situation where I was forced to breath molten
"depleted" uranium smoke though :/
On Apr 1, 2016 10:13 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have
> a realistic sense of the relative risk.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
> We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt,
> dissolve, evaporate...
>
> *From:* Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an
> insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to
> reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and
> watch nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to
> a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
>
> Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of
> chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.
>
>
> *From:* Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
> reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will
> learn that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility
> for the waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.
>
> ---- Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I do have chunk of uranium in a drawer in my kitchen.  People do not have a 
realistic sense of the relative risk.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt, 
dissolve, evaporate...

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an 
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to 
reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and watch 
nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to a 
separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of chlorine 
or ammonia is much more dangerous.  

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

What exactly do  you imagine a radiation “leak” is.
We are talking uranium dioxide.  A ceramic pellet.  Does not burn, melt, 
dissolve, evaporate...

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an 
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to 
reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and watch 
nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to a 
separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of chlorine 
or ammonia is much more dangerous.  

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Well we better start making progress on fusion then ;)
On Apr 1, 2016 8:53 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an
> insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to
> reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and
> watch nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to
> a separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Datum: 02.04.2016 03:04 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
>
> Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of
> chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.
>
>
> *From:* Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and
> reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will
> learn that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility
> for the waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Reprocessing does not solve the problem. This waste does not vanish for an 
insane amount of time. No covering material lasts long enough. You have to 
reencapsule it to keep radiation inside. You need a place to store it and watch 
nothing leaks. Our power companies try to split the responsibility to a 
separate company. They know this company will die sometimes in the future.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
Datum: 02.04.2016  03:04  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 




And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
 
Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A 
tanker of chlorine or ammonia is much more dangerous.  
 


 

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?
 
Nuclear 
is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and reencapsulating the 
waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn that no energy company 
will exist long enough to take responsibility for the waste they generated. 
This 
will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 

Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 
01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla 
Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread George Skorup

And GM still won't get rid of active fuel management. Instead, they 
enable it in eco mode only on the '16 'vette. I absolutely hate it in 
the LC9 in my Silverado. It saves no fuel. Those lifters are noisy 
pieces of shit. And the AFM cylinders burn oil. EGR sends it right back 
in and carbons up all of the cylinders and intake valves. Then the oil 
control rings start to stick which makes consumption even worse. Ask me 
how I know. Seriously, a quart of oil in 2k miles is normal!? The 
ethanol gas doesn't help either. The LS based design was one of the most 
reliable engines ever produced. They ruined a perfectly good system with 
the fucking AFM. I can't wait until my warranty is up so I can rip out 
that cam and lifters. I will never buy another GM product.


On 4/1/2016 3:22 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Hmmmtwo 2016 Corvette Stingrays or one Tesla. I'd rather have a 
vette for half the price.


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Nuclear should be the cheapest resource, but that is only a single
factor in the price all the way to your door.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 4:05 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Or Nuclear …. That’s what most power is around here (Ontario,
Canada) but that probably explains our insanely high price we
pay for electricity too (which makes electric cars even less
attractive despite substantial incentives from government to
buy them) … one thing that will only last for a while here too
is that all electric cars here have automatic access to high
occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers  -
nice perk for now I’ll admit

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Your making an assumption on the source.  Could be Hydro,
Coal, or Solar.


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a
wall or charging station. No difference. Same
actions, just different object.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
        *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point. I have a
charger at home and at work and at my other work.
3-5 seconds. None if  you have a passenger do it
for you...

*From:*Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>

*Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

And why are you thinking the waste needs to be encapsulated?   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Just reprocess it.  And really it is not that dangerous.   A tanker of chlorine 
or ammonia is much more dangerous.  

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 01.04.2016 22:18 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Nuclear is very expensive. If you calculate the cost of moving and 
reencapsulating the waste for some thousand years. Your ancestors will learn 
that no energy company will exist long enough to take responsibility for the 
waste they generated. This will be done by the tax payer.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
Datum: 01.04.2016  22:18  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Can still be replaced...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=htc+one+remix+battery+replacement+

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 4:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> I would buy another battery but apparently it is built into the phone
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2016 1:25 PM
>
> That sounds abnormal. It should not be dying at 44%, so either the phone
> is reading it incorrectly of maybe the battery is defective?
>
> I've never had a cell phone do that, even going back to the big brick
> cellphone days with extendable antennas.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> i have fleeting memories of my cellphone battery.i have an htc one
>> remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
>> now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
>> not right.  it didn't used to do it.
>>
>> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3 who else is getting one?
>>
>> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
>> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
>> for you...
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
>> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
>> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
>> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>>
>> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
>> minutes.
>>
>> And it costs you money!
>>
>> I charge with solar.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>> We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
>>
>> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
>> charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>>
>> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes
>> close in terms of comfort.
>>
>> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice
>> upside!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
>>> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in
>>> once a week.
>>> There is nothing but upside here.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I would buy another battery but apparently it is built into the phone

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Date: Fri, Apr 1, 2016 1:25 PM

That sounds abnormal. It should not be dying at 44%, so either the phone is 
reading it incorrectly of maybe the battery is defective?

I've never had a cell phone do that, even going back to the big brick cellphone 
days with extendable antennas.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:

i have fleeting memories of my cellphone battery.i have 
an htc one remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets 
drained every day.  now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i 
know it will - but thats not right.  it didn't used to do it.

how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 
44%

- Original Message - 

From: 
Chuck McCown 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 
PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3.... who 
else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home 
and at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you 
have a passenger do it for you...

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?

You 
still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location.

-Mike 
HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP

From: 
"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: 
af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?

Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive 
in, park, get out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select 
fuel, wait for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of 
minutes, reverse all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 
minutes.  

And it costs you money!  

I charge with solar.  

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?

We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 
minutes?
If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need 
to charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it 
comes close in terms of comfort.
Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  
That's a nice upside!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 
937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas 
up...

If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in 
once a week.  

There is nothing but upside here.  

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?

Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks 
than what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power 
anyway...
Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much 
Prius.  Side looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space 
aged.
115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, 
though?  Woof.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 
45373
On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg..com> 
wrote:

It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as 
you pass it.  

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting 
one?

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get 
home?  Yuck.  I love the updates they do with the Model S and 
the API power is really awesome, but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone 
electric.
I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car 
that won't be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 
45373
On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software> wrote:

One 
day!

On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard 
and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone 
else?

Regards,
Chuck

-- 
Simon 
Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: 
(702) 
447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The 
next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jeremy

Hmmmtwo 2016 Corvette Stingrays or one Tesla.  I'd rather have a vette
for half the price.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Nuclear should be the cheapest resource, but that is only a single factor
> in the price all the way to your door.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 1, 2016 4:05 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
>> Or Nuclear …. That’s what most power is around here (Ontario, Canada) but
>> that probably explains our insanely high price we pay for electricity too
>> (which makes electric cars even less attractive despite substantial
>> incentives from government to buy them) … one thing that will only last for
>> a while here too is that all electric cars here have automatic access to
>> high occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers  - nice perk
>> for now I’ll admit
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>>
>> Your making an assumption on the source.  Could be Hydro, Coal, or Solar.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station.
>> No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> ------
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
>> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
>> for you...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>>
>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" &

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nuclear should be the cheapest resource, but that is only a single factor
in the price all the way to your door.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 4:05 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Or Nuclear …. That’s what most power is around here (Ontario, Canada) but
> that probably explains our insanely high price we pay for electricity too
> (which makes electric cars even less attractive despite substantial
> incentives from government to buy them) … one thing that will only last for
> a while here too is that all electric cars here have automatic access to
> high occupancy express lanes regardless of how many passengers  - nice perk
> for now I’ll admit
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> Your making an assumption on the source.  Could be Hydro, Coal, or Solar.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station.
> No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
> for you...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>
>
>
> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
> minutes.
>
>
>
> And it costs you money!
>
>
>
> I charge with solar.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworks

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart

Or Nuclear …. That’s what most power is around here (Ontario, Canada) but that 
probably explains our insanely high price we pay for electricity too (which 
makes electric cars even less attractive despite substantial incentives from 
government to buy them) … one thing that will only last for a while here too is 
that all electric cars here have automatic access to high occupancy express 
lanes regardless of how many passengers  - nice perk for now I’ll admit

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

 

Your making an assumption on the source.  Could be Hydro, Coal, or Solar.




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:36 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com 
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com> > wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.




Regards,
Chuck

 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and at 
my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

 

From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>  

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

 

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

 

>From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes.  

 

And it costs you money!  

 

I charge with solar.  

 

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>  

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

 

We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes close 
in terms of comfort.

Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:03

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You didn't like the Model S?!  Or do you mean it just isn't practical for
you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Gotta agree… haven’t liked any of their models really to date ….
>
>
>
> With the cost of power (where I live) I’d seriously have to figure out the
> electricity cost vs fuel efficient car …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 12:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than
> what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...
>
> Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side
> looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.
>
> 115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you
> pass it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love the
> updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but
> I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
>
> I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't be
> announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>
> One day!
>
> On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart

Gotta agree… haven’t liked any of their models really to date ….

 

With the cost of power (where I live) I’d seriously have to figure out the 
electricity cost vs fuel efficient car …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

 

Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what I 
spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side looks 
great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you pass it. 
 

 

From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>  

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

 

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love the 
updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but I'm 
more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't be 
announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software 
<mailto:simon@sonar.software> > wrote:

One day!

On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck


-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software> 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 <tel:%28702%29%20447-1247> 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Paul Stewart

Nah…. Not enough places to plug in and charge around here…. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

18650 is what I was thinking of.  These are, I think, the most popular
battery in the lithium ion world.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-7-SAMSUNG-ICR18650-24E-18650-Lithium-ion-Rechargable-Battery-cells-A2-/161995478877?hash=item25b7aed75d:g:Jz0AAOSwnDxUiidy


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> No idea.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 12:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla?  Those
> fatter AA sized lithium ion batteries?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have
>> zero battery.
>> Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to
>> pull over to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one
>>> remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
>>> now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
>>> not right.  it didn't used to do it.
>>>
>>> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
>>> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
>>> for you...
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
>>> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
>>> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
>>> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>>>
>>> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
>>> minutes.
>>>
>>> And it costs you money!
>>>
>>> I charge with solar.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>>
>>> We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
>>>
>>> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
>>> charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla?  Those
fatter AA sized lithium ion batteries?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have
> zero battery.
> Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to pull
> over to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one
>> remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
>> now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
>> not right.  it didn't used to do it.
>>
>> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
>> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
>> for you...
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
>> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
>> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
>> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>>
>> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
>> minutes.
>>
>> And it costs you money!
>>
>> I charge with solar.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>> We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
>>
>> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
>> charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>>
>> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes
>> close in terms of comfort.
>>
>> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice
>> upside!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
>>> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in
>>> once a week.
>>> There is nothing but upside here.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No idea.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Does the Leaf use the same system of batteries like the Tesla?  Those fatter AA 
sized lithium ion batteries?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have zero 
battery.
  Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to pull 
over to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.
  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:

i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one 
remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.  now it 
just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats not right.  
it didn't used to do it.

how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work 
and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for 
you...

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them 
all if you're not at a free charging location.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get 
out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for 
beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

  From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 
minutes.  

  And it costs you money!  

  I charge with solar.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

  If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to 
charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.

  It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.

  Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in 
once a week.  
There is nothing but upside here.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than 
what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  
Side looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as 
you pass it.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I 
love the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, 
but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

  I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that 
won't be announced for another hour?"

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Nissan LEAF goes into turtle mode about  10 miles after it says you have zero 
battery.
Turtle mode gives you about a quarter of a mile at 20 mph.  Enough to pull over 
to the side of  the highway.  But you better do it immediately.
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:


  i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one remix.  
i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.  now it just 
dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats not right.  it 
didn't used to do it.

  how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work 
and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for 
you...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all 
if you're not at a free charging location.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get 
out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for 
beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes. 
 

And it costs you money!  

I charge with solar.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.

Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
  If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once 
a week.  
  There is nothing but upside here.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than 
what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

  Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

  115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you 
pass it.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love 
the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but 
I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't 
be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:

  One day!

  On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck


  -- 
  Simon Westlake
  Skype: Simon_Sonar
  Email: simon@sonar.software
  Phone

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

That sounds abnormal. It should not be dying at 44%, so either the phone is
reading it incorrectly of maybe the battery is defective?

I've never had a cell phone do that, even going back to the big brick
cellphone days with extendable antennas.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one
> remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
> now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
> not right.  it didn't used to do it.
>
> how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
> for you...
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get
> out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait
> for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse
> all of the above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.
>
> From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5
> minutes.
>
> And it costs you money!
>
> I charge with solar.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
> We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
>
> If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to
> charge.  Your route also can't be the scenic one.
>
> It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes
> close in terms of comfort.
>
> Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice
> upside!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
>> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once
>> a week.
>> There is nothing but upside here.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than
>> what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...
>>
>> Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side
>> looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.
>>
>> 115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you
>>> pass it.
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 4/1/16 11:08, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one
remix.  i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.
now it just dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats
not right.  it didn't used to do it.
how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%



The department I worked at school as a student worker had an mini-car EV 
that had that problem. It did suck. When it wasn't sucking it was the 
nicest one. Everything else was gas golf carts. But invariably you'd be 
at the opposite (downhill) end of campus when it would alarm at you and 
had to try to get back to the office before it died trying to climb 
about 120' of elevation change uphill. Eventually someone got tired of 
its game and the EV disappeared forever.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


i have fleeting memories of my cellphone batteryi have an htc one remix.  
i've had it maybe a year.  of course it gets drained every day.  now it just 
dies when the battery is at 44%.  i know it will - but thats not right.  it 
didn't used to do it.

how bad would it suck if your car battery just died at 44%


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


  But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and 
at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all 
if you're not at a free charging location.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


  Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

  From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes.  

  And it costs you money!  

  I charge with solar.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

  If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

  It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.

  Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once a 
week.  
There is nothing but upside here.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what 
I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you 
pass it.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love 
the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but 
I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

  I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't 
be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:

One day!

On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

  Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

  Regards,
  Chuck


-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I have found our walmart murphy usa has the fastest pumps and usually the best 
price

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cassidy B. Larson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Takes a bit more sometimes at our Costco on the weekends.. the line for each 
pump is 3 or 4 cars deep sometimes.. but it does have the cheapest gas in town! 

On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get 
out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for 
beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes. 

And it costs you money!  

I charge with solar.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?
If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.
It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.
Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
  If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once 
a week.  
  There is nothing but upside here.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than 
what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...
  Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.
  115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you 
pass it.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love 
the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but 
I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't 
be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:

  One day!

  On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck

  -- 
  Simon Westlake
  Skype: Simon_Sonar
  Email: simon@sonar.software
  Phone: (702) 447-1247
  ---
  Sonar Software Inc
  The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
  https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Well, the Vive is supposed to work with Steam. I'm more referring to an
upcoming Sony headset, I'm guessing Microsoft will have something. The
whole not having to have a gaming computer thing is huge.

On Friday, April 1, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Consoles?
>
> Steam has a much larger library and a larger more distributed content
> network. They also have a couple of appliances/consoles in the works
> though.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jason McKemie
> > wrote:
> > We'll see how it plays out, but my money would ultimately be on consoles.
> > Unrivaled content and the barrier to entry is quite a bit lower.
> >
> >
> > On Friday, April 1, 2016, Robert Andrews  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution
> of
> >> content to the platform, such as apple did.  There was a rapid leapfrog
> of
> >> digital music sticks and such but apple brought it all home with the
> common
> >> pricing, platform, delivery that made it all hum...  IF FB adds that to
> >> Oculus THEN it's a barn burner.   Without the backend the iPod was
> another
> >> music stick, same for Oculus...
> >>
> >> On 04/01/2016 09:26 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry -
> >>> the HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will
> >>> really take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews <
> i...@avantwireless.com 
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
> >>>
> >>> On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
> >>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
> >>> others did
> >>> not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more
> of
> >>> a
> >>> matter of timing.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
> >>>  >>>   simon@sonar.software  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
> >>> forward
> >>>  from what was previously available. I'm not saying they
> >>> created it
> >>>  in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the
> >>> achievements of the
> >>>  teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
> >>> readily
> >>>  available components, banged them together and out came a
> >>> headset.
> >>>
> >>>  On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.
> >>> I've been
> >>>  watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
> >>> Oculus has
> >>>  benefited from is the advancement motion tracking,
> >>> higher
> >>>  resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not
> >>> specific to
> >>>  VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking
> >>> here.  The
> >>>  technology has been maturing for a long time, the
> >>> masses are just
> >>>  starting to take notice - and large companies are
> >>> following that
> >>>  interest.
> >>>
> >>>  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM,  
> >>> >
> >>>    ch...@wbmfg.com  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Little more to the back story.  The kid had some
> US
> >>> DOD
> >>>  friends and labs that gave him access to the
> latest
> >>> technology
> >>>  in the field.
> >>>  *From:* Simon Westlake  simon@sonar.software 
> >>> >>
> >>>  Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
> >>> together VR
> >>>  goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind
> >>> of virtual
> >>>  reality goggles that are now shipping were
> >>> impossible to make
> >>>  just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it
> >>> forward and
> >>>  figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
> >>> making a
> >>>  headset..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  --
> >>>  Simon

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Consoles?

Steam has a much larger library and a larger more distributed content
network. They also have a couple of appliances/consoles in the works
though.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:
> We'll see how it plays out, but my money would ultimately be on consoles.
> Unrivaled content and the barrier to entry is quite a bit lower.
>
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2016, Robert Andrews  wrote:
>>
>> Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution of
>> content to the platform, such as apple did.  There was a rapid leapfrog of
>> digital music sticks and such but apple brought it all home with the common
>> pricing, platform, delivery that made it all hum...  IF FB adds that to
>> Oculus THEN it's a barn burner.   Without the backend the iPod was another
>> music stick, same for Oculus...
>>
>> On 04/01/2016 09:26 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry -
>>> the HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will
>>> really take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
>>>
>>> On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
>>> others did
>>> not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of
>>> a
>>> matter of timing.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
>>> >> >>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
>>> forward
>>>  from what was previously available. I'm not saying they
>>> created it
>>>  in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the
>>> achievements of the
>>>  teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
>>> readily
>>>  available components, banged them together and out came a
>>> headset.
>>>
>>>  On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>>  There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.
>>> I've been
>>>  watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
>>> Oculus has
>>>  benefited from is the advancement motion tracking,
>>> higher
>>>  resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not
>>> specific to
>>>  VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking
>>> here.  The
>>>  technology has been maturing for a long time, the
>>> masses are just
>>>  starting to take notice - and large companies are
>>> following that
>>>  interest.
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, >> 
>>>  >>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US
>>> DOD
>>>  friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
>>> technology
>>>  in the field.
>>>  *From:* Simon Westlake >> >
>>>  Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
>>> together VR
>>>  goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind
>>> of virtual
>>>  reality goggles that are now shipping were
>>> impossible to make
>>>  just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it
>>> forward and
>>>  figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
>>> making a
>>>  headset..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Simon Westlake
>>>  Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>>  Email:simon@sonar.software >> >
>>>  Phone:(702) 447-1247 
>>> 
>>>  ---
>>>  Sonar Software Inc
>>>  The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>> https://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

We'll see how it plays out, but my money would ultimately be on consoles.
Unrivaled content and the barrier to entry is quite a bit lower.

On Friday, April 1, 2016, Robert Andrews  wrote:

> Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution of
> content to the platform, such as apple did.  There was a rapid leapfrog of
> digital music sticks and such but apple brought it all home with the common
> pricing, platform, delivery that made it all hum...  IF FB adds that to
> Oculus THEN it's a barn burner.   Without the backend the iPod was another
> music stick, same for Oculus...
>
> On 04/01/2016 09:26 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry -
>> the HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will
>> really take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews > > wrote:
>>
>> Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
>>
>> On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
>> others did
>> not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
>> matter of timing.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
>> > >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
>> forward
>>  from what was previously available. I'm not saying they
>> created it
>>  in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the
>> achievements of the
>>  teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
>> readily
>>  available components, banged them together and out came a
>> headset.
>>
>>  On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>  There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.
>> I've been
>>  watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
>> Oculus has
>>  benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
>>  resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not
>> specific to
>>  VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking
>> here.  The
>>  technology has been maturing for a long time, the
>> masses are just
>>  starting to take notice - and large companies are
>> following that
>>  interest.
>>
>>  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, > 
>>  >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US
>> DOD
>>  friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
>> technology
>>  in the field.
>>  *From:* Simon Westlake > >
>>  Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
>> together VR
>>  goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind
>> of virtual
>>  reality goggles that are now shipping were
>> impossible to make
>>  just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it
>> forward and
>>  figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
>> making a
>>  headset..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Simon Westlake
>>  Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>  Email:simon@sonar.software > >
>>  Phone:(702) 447-1247 
>> 
>>  ---
>>  Sonar Software Inc
>>  The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

Who’s gonna make “The Oasis”?  That’d be the best backend.. (for those that 
have read Ready Player One).


> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution of 
> content to the platform, such as apple did.  There was a rapid leapfrog of 
> digital music sticks and such but apple brought it all home with the common 
> pricing, platform, delivery that made it all hum...  IF FB adds that to 
> Oculus THEN it's a barn burner.   Without the backend the iPod was another 
> music stick, same for Oculus...
> 
> On 04/01/2016 09:26 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry -
>> the HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will
>> really take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews > > wrote:
>> 
>>Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
>> 
>>On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> 
>>I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>>progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
>>others did
>>not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
>>matter of timing.
>> 
>>On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
>>forward
>> from what was previously available. I'm not saying they
>>created it
>> in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the
>>achievements of the
>> teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
>>readily
>> available components, banged them together and out came a
>>headset.
>> 
>> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> 
>> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.
>>I've been
>> watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
>>Oculus has
>> benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
>> resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not
>>specific to
>> VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking
>>here.  The
>> technology has been maturing for a long time, the
>>masses are just
>> starting to take notice - and large companies are
>>following that
>> interest.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, >
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
>> friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
>>technology
>> in the field.
>> *From:* Simon Westlake >>
>> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
>>together VR
>> goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind
>>of virtual
>> reality goggles that are now shipping were
>>impossible to make
>> just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it
>>forward and
>> figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
>>making a
>> headset..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email:simon@sonar.software >>
>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 
>>
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>https://sonar.software
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Robert Andrews

Just like the iPod, what is the necessary component is the distribution 
of content to the platform, such as apple did.  There was a rapid 
leapfrog of digital music sticks and such but apple brought it all home 
with the common pricing, platform, delivery that made it all hum...  IF 
FB adds that to Oculus THEN it's a barn burner.   Without the backend 
the iPod was another music stick, same for Oculus...

On 04/01/2016 09:26 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry -
the HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will
really take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...

On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
others did
not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
matter of timing.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
>> wrote:

 I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
forward
 from what was previously available. I'm not saying they
created it
 in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the
achievements of the
 teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
readily
 available components, banged them together and out came a
headset.

 On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.
I've been
 watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
Oculus has
 benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
 resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not
specific to
 VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking
here.  The
 technology has been maturing for a long time, the
masses are just
 starting to take notice - and large companies are
following that
 interest.

 On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, 
 >> wrote:

 Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
 friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
technology
 in the field.
 *From:* Simon Westlake >
 Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
together VR
 goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind
of virtual
 reality goggles that are now shipping were
impossible to make
 just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it
forward and
 figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
making a
 headset..

 --
 Simon Westlake
 Skype: Simon_Sonar
 Email:simon@sonar.software >
 Phone:(702) 447-1247 

 ---
 Sonar Software Inc
 The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

If you only need to go 8 miles, a 45,000 foot extension cable might work 
fine.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 8:02 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Until you run out of juice and have to unroll your 45000 foot 
extension cord. I was interested in the Model S but it just doesn't 
have enough range for west Texas.


On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:34 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as
you pass it.
*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I
love the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is
really awesome, but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that
won't be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P

Josh Luthman


Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

One day!



On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?

Regards,
Chuck


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Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Agreed, I just get annoyed at the tech press (and general public for that
matter), that seem to be of the impression the folks at Oculus pulled this
idea and technology out of thin air.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Gotcha - I'm with you on the concept that the Oculus is just an
> improvement, they really haven't done anything 'brand new' (other than
> Touch maybe, which isn't out yet..). Reading about a lot of what they've
> done to solve a lot of the ongoing issues with prior headsets (nausea due
> to insufficient tracking speed, poor resolution, etc) - there has been a
> lot of R, it's not just all off the shelf stuff. Don't deny someone else
> may have done it eventually, but I think they deserve some credit for
> getting it done now!
>
> On 4/1/2016 11:19 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Not really previous gen exactly, but the VR headset I remember wanting was
> the Forte VFX1 or IIS VFX3D.  Certainly not as advanced as the newer stuff
> - but it was 1995 when the VFX1 came out, and all of the same framework is
> there.  I remember when a Virtuality display came through our local mall in
> the early 90's - much lower resolution and not nearly as responsive from a
> tracking standpoint - also definitely not consumer level stuff at that
> time, but the idea was the same.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> Which headset would you consider to be the closest to the Oculus from the
>> previous gen?
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 11:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did not
>> succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a matter of
>> timing.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake < 
>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward from
>>> what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it in a vacuum,
>>> but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the teams involved. It's
>>> not like they just bought a bunch of readily available components, banged
>>> them together and out came a headset.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
>>> watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has benefited
>>> from is the advancement motion tracking, higher resolution displays,
>>> processing, etc (technologies not specific to VR), Oculus really didn't do
>>> anything groundbreaking here.  The technology has been maturing for a long
>>> time, the masses are just starting to take notice - and large companies are
>>> following that interest.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and
 labs that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.

 *From:* Simon Westlake 
 Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his
 bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now
 shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he
 pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
 making a headset..




>>>
>>> --
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>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Although it seems like the Oculus is going to get upstaged in a hurry - the
HTC Vive looks like it could be a better product.  I think VR will really
take off when it is available for gaming consoles though.


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
>
> On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did
>> not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
>> matter of timing.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake > > wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward
>> from what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it
>> in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the
>> teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of readily
>> available components, banged them together and out came a headset.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
>>> watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has
>>> benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
>>> resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not specific to
>>> VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking here.  The
>>> technology has been maturing for a long time, the masses are just
>>> starting to take notice - and large companies are following that
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
>>> friends and labs that gave him access to the latest technology
>>> in the field.
>>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>>> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR
>>> goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual
>>> reality goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make
>>> just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and
>>> figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a
>>> headset..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email:simon@sonar.software 
>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Gotcha - I'm with you on the concept that the Oculus is just an 
improvement, they really haven't done anything 'brand new' (other than 
Touch maybe, which isn't out yet..). Reading about a lot of what they've 
done to solve a lot of the ongoing issues with prior headsets (nausea 
due to insufficient tracking speed, poor resolution, etc) - there has 
been a lot of R, it's not just all off the shelf stuff. Don't deny 
someone else may have done it eventually, but I think they deserve some 
credit for getting it done now!


On 4/1/2016 11:19 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Not really previous gen exactly, but the VR headset I remember wanting 
was the Forte VFX1 or IIS VFX3D.  Certainly not as advanced as the 
newer stuff - but it was 1995 when the VFX1 came out, and all of the 
same framework is there.  I remember when a Virtuality display came 
through our local mall in the early 90's - much lower resolution and 
not nearly as responsive from a tracking standpoint - also definitely 
not consumer level stuff at that time, but the idea was the same.


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:


Which headset would you consider to be the closest to the Oculus
from the previous gen?

On 4/1/2016 11:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the
others did not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that
is more of a matter of timing.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake
> wrote:

I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap
forward from what was previously available. I'm not saying
they created it in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay
the achievements of the teams involved. It's not like they
just bought a bunch of readily available components, banged
them together and out came a headset.

On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've
been watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what
Oculus has benefited from is the advancement motion
tracking, higher resolution displays, processing, etc
(technologies not specific to VR), Oculus really didn't do
anything groundbreaking here.  The technology has been
maturing for a long time, the masses are just starting to
take notice - and large companies are following that interest.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, > wrote:

Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
technology in the field.
*From:* Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR
goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of
virtual reality goggles that are now shipping were
impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that
he pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a
headset, Sony is making a headset..

  





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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software




-- 
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software




--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Probably a valid comparison.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...
>
> On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
>> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did
>> not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
>> matter of timing.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake > > wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward
>> from what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it
>> in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the
>> teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of readily
>> available components, banged them together and out came a headset.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
>>> watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has
>>> benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
>>> resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not specific to
>>> VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking here.  The
>>> technology has been maturing for a long time, the masses are just
>>> starting to take notice - and large companies are following that
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
>>> friends and labs that gave him access to the latest technology
>>> in the field.
>>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>>> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR
>>> goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual
>>> reality goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make
>>> just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and
>>> figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a
>>> headset..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email:simon@sonar.software 
>> Phone:(702) 447-1247 
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Not really previous gen exactly, but the VR headset I remember wanting was
the Forte VFX1 or IIS VFX3D.  Certainly not as advanced as the newer stuff
- but it was 1995 when the VFX1 came out, and all of the same framework is
there.  I remember when a Virtuality display came through our local mall in
the early 90's - much lower resolution and not nearly as responsive from a
tracking standpoint - also definitely not consumer level stuff at that
time, but the idea was the same.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Which headset would you consider to be the closest to the Oculus from the
> previous gen?
>
> On 4/1/2016 11:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
> progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did not
> succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a matter of
> timing.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward from
>> what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it in a vacuum,
>> but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the teams involved. It's
>> not like they just bought a bunch of readily available components, banged
>> them together and out came a headset.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
>> watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has benefited
>> from is the advancement motion tracking, higher resolution displays,
>> processing, etc (technologies not specific to VR), Oculus really didn't do
>> anything groundbreaking here.  The technology has been maturing for a long
>> time, the masses are just starting to take notice - and large companies are
>> following that interest.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs
>>> that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.
>>>
>>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>>> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his
>>> bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now
>>> shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he
>>> pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
>>> making a headset..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Robert Andrews


Kind of like the iPod...   No, exactly like the iPod...

On 04/01/2016 09:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a
progression of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did
not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a
matter of timing.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:

I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward
from what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it
in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the
teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of readily
available components, banged them together and out came a headset.

On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has
benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not specific to
VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking here.  The
technology has been maturing for a long time, the masses are just
starting to take notice - and large companies are following that
interest.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, > wrote:

Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
friends and labs that gave him access to the latest technology
in the field.
*From:* Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR
goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual
reality goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make
just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and
figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a
headset..






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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jaime Solorza

Yep...I can hit California border from here sooner than Houston metro..
On Apr 1, 2016 9:02 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Until you run out of juice and have to unroll your 45000 foot extension
> cord. I was interested in the Model S but it just doesn't have enough range
> for west Texas.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:34 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you
>> pass it.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
>> No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love
>> the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome,
>> but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
>>
>> I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't
>> be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>>
>>
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> One day!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 <%28702%29%20447-1247>
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>> https://sonar.software
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Which headset would you consider to be the closest to the Oculus from 
the previous gen?


On 4/1/2016 11:02 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a 
progression of what was previously on the market. True, the others did 
not succeed in the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a 
matter of timing.


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake > wrote:


I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward
from what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it
in a vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of
the teams involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of
readily available components, banged them together and out came a
headset.

On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been
watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has
benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher
resolution displays, processing, etc (technologies not specific
to VR), Oculus really didn't do anything groundbreaking here. 
The technology has been maturing for a long time, the masses are

just starting to take notice - and large companies are following
that interest.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, > wrote:

Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD
friends and labs that gave him access to the latest
technology in the field.
*From:* Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR
goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual
reality goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make
just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and
figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a
headset..

  





-- 
Simon Westlake

Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software




--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I really don't see how the Oculus gear is anything other than a progression
of what was previously on the market.  True, the others did not succeed in
the same way that Oculus has, but that is more of a matter of timing.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward from
> what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it in a vacuum,
> but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the teams involved. It's
> not like they just bought a bunch of readily available components, banged
> them together and out came a headset.
>
> On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been watching
> the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has benefited from is
> the advancement motion tracking, higher resolution displays, processing,
> etc (technologies not specific to VR), Oculus really didn't do anything
> groundbreaking here.  The technology has been maturing for a long time, the
> masses are just starting to take notice - and large companies are following
> that interest.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs
>> that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.
>>
>> *From:* Simon Westlake 
>> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his
>> bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now
>> shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he
>> pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
>> making a headset..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Probably at least partially true of many people that have brought about
an advancement in any industry :)

On 4/1/2016 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

No, not hinting at that at all.
He was lucky enough to stumble into a treasure trove of physical and
human resources that enabled him to succeed. Luckey caught a lucky break.

*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
*Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 9:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Thanks for the link. Doesn't reduce any respect I have for the guy though!

On 4/1/2016 10:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a12956/palmer-luckey-and-the-virtual-reality-resurrection-16834760/
*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
*Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Little more to the back story. The kid had some US DOD friends and
labs that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.

*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in
his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles
that are now shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years
ago. Now that he pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making
a headset, Sony is making a headset..

--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I don't know if I agree with that. It's a pretty big leap forward from 
what was previously available. I'm not saying they created it in a 
vacuum, but I find it hard to downplay the achievements of the teams 
involved. It's not like they just bought a bunch of readily available 
components, banged them together and out came a headset.


On 4/1/2016 10:57 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been 
watching the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has 
benefited from is the advancement motion tracking, higher resolution 
displays, processing, etc (technologies not specific to VR), Oculus 
really didn't do anything groundbreaking here.  The technology has 
been maturing for a long time, the masses are just starting to take 
notice - and large companies are following that interest.


On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM, > wrote:


Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends
and labs that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.
*From:* Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles
in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality
goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make just a
couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and figured it
out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a headset..

  





--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No, not hinting at that at all.  
He was lucky enough to stumble into a treasure trove of physical and human 
resources that enabled him to succeed.  Luckey caught a lucky break.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Thanks for the link. Doesn't reduce any respect I have for the guy though!

On 4/1/2016 10:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a12956/palmer-luckey-and-the-virtual-reality-resurrection-16834760/

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

  On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs 
that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his 
bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now 
shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed 
it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a 
headset..

-- 
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

There were also many other VR companies before Oculus.  I've been watching
the VR scene for at least two decades, what Oculus has benefited from is
the advancement motion tracking, higher resolution displays, processing,
etc (technologies not specific to VR), Oculus really didn't do anything
groundbreaking here.  The technology has been maturing for a long time, the
masses are just starting to take notice - and large companies are following
that interest.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:38 AM,  wrote:

> Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs
> that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.
>
> *From:* Simon Westlake 
> Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his
> bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now
> shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he
> pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is
> making a headset..
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


Thanks for the link. Doesn't reduce any respect I have for the guy though!

On 4/1/2016 10:51 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a12956/palmer-luckey-and-the-virtual-reality-resurrection-16834760/
*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
*Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and 
labs that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.

*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in 
his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles 
that are now shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years 
ago. Now that he pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making 
a headset, Sony is making a headset..


  


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Mixed Reality Lab does work for the Airforce.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs that 
gave him access to the latest technology in the field.  

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his 
bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now 
shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed 
it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a 
headset..

-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a12956/palmer-luckey-and-the-virtual-reality-resurrection-16834760/

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs that 
gave him access to the latest technology in the field.  

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his 
bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now 
shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed 
it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a 
headset..

-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


You got a link with some details? Be interested in reading it.

On 4/1/2016 10:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and 
labs that gave him access to the latest technology in the field.

*From:* Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in 
his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles 
that are now shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years 
ago. Now that he pushed it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a 
headset, Sony is making a headset..


  


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Not familiar with that metric, 2-3 charges.
Any battery can be charged in 10 hours or less.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Right, after they do 600+ miles.  Which is 2-3 charges on a vehicle that weighs 
2 ton.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Semi trucks with one driver are legally required to park and rest giving the 
more than adequate time to recharge.
  And, I still hold out hope for EEStor.  (I actually have Zenn stock...)

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 8:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  In that scenario... 

  "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another 500 
miles?!  Over and over?!"

  Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The 
shipping industry would collapse.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote:

I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a 
combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the outcry 
if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive fuel all 
around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts of pollution 
versus having charging stations everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better 
option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made 
out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.

  On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on 
time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When they're 
"giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 
18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of 
buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  It does now...

  but can it blend?

  On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be 
mostly hydro.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

  At a pretty cheaper cost too.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> 
wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or 
charging station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
        To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home 
and at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger 
do it for you...

From: Mike Hammett 
        Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Little more to the back story.  The kid had some US DOD friends and labs that 
gave him access to the latest technology in the field.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging together VR goggles in his 
bedroom, and everyone said the kind of virtual reality goggles that are now 
shipping were impossible to make just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed 
it forward and figured it out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a 
headset..

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Right, after they do 600+ miles.  Which is 2-3 charges on a vehicle that
weighs 2 ton.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Semi trucks with one driver are legally required to park and rest giving
> the more than adequate time to recharge.
> And, I still hold out hope for EEStor.  (I actually have Zenn stock...)
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 8:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> In that scenario...
>
> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another
> 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"
>
> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
> shipping industry would collapse.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>
>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> It does now...
>>
>> but can it blend?
>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>>> hydro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're just replac

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Semi trucks with one driver are legally required to park and rest giving the 
more than adequate time to recharge.
And, I still hold out hope for EEStor.  (I actually have Zenn stock...)

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 8:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

In that scenario... 

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another 500 
miles?!  Over and over?!"

Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The shipping 
industry would collapse.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote:

  I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a 
combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the outcry 
if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive fuel all 
around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts of pollution 
versus having charging stations everywhere.

  On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better 
option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made 
out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on 
time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When they're 
"giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

  But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 
18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of 
buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  But does it have SFPs?

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly 
hydro.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> 
wrote:

  You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging 
station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
      To: af@afmug.com
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and 
at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do 
it for you...

  From: Mike Hammett 
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still 
have them all if you're not at a free charging location.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
      To: af@afmug.com
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Time it.  You will be surpr

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Might not be long..

http://terrapower.com/

On 4/1/2016 10:29 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think we should all have a tiny MSR reactor buried in our back yards.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:21 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I believe that people are not arguing that electric vehicles are
the be-all end-all argument today. I believe what they're arguing
is that they work for a large number of people in some circumstances.

If you are a long-distance commuter, or a traveling salesman, then
nope, not a great idea. But if you're an urban commuter going 100
to 200 miles round trip per day, it might be an entirely different
answer.

And yes. lithium disposal might be a problem. Today. On the other
hand, there might already be a good way to recycle the lithium
from old batteries. Tomorrow, or next year, or a decade from now,
we might be using an entirely different storage medium. Sulfur anyone?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 8:15 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

First, I think electric is great for those it works for. It just
won't work out here in west Texas. Second, if less pollution is
the reason I guess the pollution of the battery pack isn't
considered? I have to think that would be a pretty significant
deal. I don't know how much but I have to dispose of LiIon
batteries every day to some special center. No idea why but I
guess lithium in Jaimie's whater isn't appreciated like it used
to be. I would think that for places with heavy urban traffic and
lots of traffic jams they would be ideal. NY, Chicago, DC, etc.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance
trips. Need battery swap.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694
And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic
world? I don’t see electric vehicles in Mad Max movies
(except for the guitar guy who obviously has some form of
electric power available). The best solution would seem to
be the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from Back to the Future.
We will never run out of garbage.

*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch
today, using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the
choice. I can imagine the outcry if the infrastructure plan
for new vehicles was to ship explosive fuel all around the
country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts of
pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered
the better option in the early days (like 1890-1910). Then
we found out Texas was made out of oil and the economic
argument went the other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has
never been "on time", but they make decent cars when they
cost around $100 grand. When they're "giving them away" for
$35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better
day by day. In 18 months or so, they may tip over to the
point of working for a majority of buyers. I can wait until
then to see how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others
it may be mostly hydro.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I think we should all have a tiny MSR reactor buried in our back yards.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:21 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I believe that people are not arguing that electric vehicles are the
> be-all end-all argument today. I believe what they're arguing is that they
> work for a large number of people in some circumstances.
>
> If you are a long-distance commuter, or a traveling salesman, then nope,
> not a great idea. But if you're an urban commuter going 100 to 200 miles
> round trip per day, it might be an entirely different answer.
>
> And yes. lithium disposal might be a problem. Today. On the other hand,
> there might already be a good way to recycle the lithium from old
> batteries. Tomorrow, or next year, or a decade from now, we might be using
> an entirely different storage medium. Sulfur anyone?
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 4/1/2016 8:15 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> First, I think electric is great for those it works for. It just won't
> work out here in west Texas. Second, if less pollution is the reason I
> guess the pollution of the battery pack isn't considered? I have to think
> that would be a pretty significant deal. I don't know how much but I have
> to dispose of LiIon batteries every day to some special center. No idea why
> but I guess lithium in Jaimie's whater isn't appreciated like it used to
> be. I would think that for places with heavy urban traffic and lots of
> traffic jams they would be ideal. NY, Chicago, DC, etc.
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> 30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance trips.  Need
>> battery swap.
>>
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694
>>
>> And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic world?  I don’t
>> see electric vehicles in Mad Max movies (except for the guitar guy who
>> obviously has some form of electric power available).  The best solution
>> would seem to be the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from Back to the Future.
>> We will never run out of garbage.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>
>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> It does now...
>>
>> but can it blend?
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>>
>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>>> hydro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> &l

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Just build a wind farm on top. Infinite free power!

On 4/1/2016 10:10 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
wonder if semi trailers could be built with solar panels on top.. and
its own battery array it charges.
Hook up multiple trailers you extend your battery array with each
trailer.

Why not use that view of the sky to charge up the rig pulling you.
Given truckers drive at night, so this wouldnt work well, not to
mention driving in non-sunny states :)

On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us
have a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My
personal feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the
collective engineering might of all the car manufacturers and all the
companies devoted to transporting and refining oil were instead
focused on developing electric vehicles and the means to power them,
we would have a different reality.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having
to wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world
where everyone all had electric cars.

Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone
to sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically
it would certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper
electric and wait.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure
the infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a
choice of that or building an entire fuel supply infrastructure
from scratch.

On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

In that scenario...

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go
another 500 miles?! Over and over?!"

Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on
electric/charging. The shipping industry would collapse.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software> wrote:

I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch
today, using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the
choice. I can imagine the outcry if the infrastructure plan
for new vehicles was to ship explosive fuel all around the
country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts of
pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I read recently that in the US electric cars were
considered the better option in the early days (like
1890-1910). Then we found out Texas was made out of oil
and the economic argument went the other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others
it may be mostly hydro.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.the

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You're saying those problems are solved then.  That makes sense.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> Again, you're talking about the reality of this today. I don't disagree
> that if you replaced every car on the road with an electric car today by
> waving a magic wand, it would be a problem. But that wasn't my original
> thought experiment.
>
> On 4/1/2016 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Are you mindful of the increased load/demand on the power grid there?
>
> I know Ohio is more than half coal and last night I looked up that
> Kentucky was 92% coal.  So in the electric world we're taking fossil fuels
> shipped to the power plant and then generating power (losing efficiency
> here) and then delivering it to the car.  Storing it is also inefficient.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have
>> a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My personal
>> feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective engineering
>> might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies devoted to
>> transporting and refining oil were instead focused on developing electric
>> vehicles and the means to power them, we would have a different reality.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to
>> wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where
>> everyone all had electric cars.
>>
>> Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to
>> sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would
>> certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and
>> wait.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake < <simon@sonar.software>
>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the
>>> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or
>>> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> In that scenario...
>>>
>>> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another
>>> 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"
>>>
>>> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
>>> shipping industry would collapse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake < <simon@sonar.software>
>>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today,
>>>> using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine
>>>> the outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship
>>>> explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit
>>>> huge amounts of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>>>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>>>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>>>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>>>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>>>
>>>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>>>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>>>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Panels don't give you that much power.  The Fisker tried that and the panel
couldn't power the basic stuff - radio, heater, instruments, etc on its own.

Supplementing the drive I think it would be an absolute no brainer choice,
there's a lot of energy in the sun.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:

> wonder if semi trailers could be built with solar panels on top.. and its
> own battery array it charges.
> Hook up multiple trailers you extend your battery array with each trailer.
> Why not use that view of the sky to charge up the rig pulling you.
> Given truckers drive at night, so this wouldnt work well, not to mention
> driving in non-sunny states :)
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>
> Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have a
> crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My personal
> feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective engineering
> might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies devoted to
> transporting and refining oil were instead focused on developing electric
> vehicles and the means to power them, we would have a different reality.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to
> wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where
> everyone all had electric cars.
>
> Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to sit
> and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would
> certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and
> wait.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the
>> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or
>> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> In that scenario...
>>
>> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another
>> 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"
>>
>> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
>> shipping industry would collapse.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake < <simon@sonar.software>
>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>>
>>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> It does now...
>>>
>>> but can it blend?
>>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < <af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>>> *To:* <af@afm

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

First, I think electric is great for those it works for. It just won't work
out here in west Texas. Second, if less pollution is the reason I guess the
pollution of the battery pack isn't considered? I have to think that would
be a pretty significant deal. I don't know how much but I have to dispose
of LiIon batteries every day to some special center. No idea why but I
guess lithium in Jaimie's whater isn't appreciated like it used to be. I
would think that for places with heavy urban traffic and lots of traffic
jams they would be ideal. NY, Chicago, DC, etc.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:07 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> 30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance trips.  Need
> battery swap.
>
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694
>
> And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic world?  I don’t
> see electric vehicles in Mad Max movies (except for the guitar guy who
> obviously has some form of electric power available).  The best solution
> would seem to be the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from Back to the Future.
> We will never run out of garbage.
>
>
> *From:* Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a
> combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>
> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 18
> months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of
> buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> It does now...
>
> but can it blend?
>
> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> But does it have SFPs?
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>>
> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>> hydro.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station.
>>>> No difference. Same a

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Again, you're talking about the reality of this today. I don't disagree 
that if you replaced every car on the road with an electric car today by 
waving a magic wand, it would be a problem. But that wasn't my original 
thought experiment.


On 4/1/2016 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Are you mindful of the increased load/demand on the power grid there?

I know Ohio is more than half coal and last night I looked up that 
Kentucky was 92% coal.  So in the electric world we're taking fossil 
fuels shipped to the power plant and then generating power (losing 
efficiency here) and then delivering it to the car.  Storing it is 
also inefficient.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software 
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:


Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of
us have a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't
exist. My personal feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and
the collective engineering might of all the car manufacturers and
all the companies devoted to transporting and refining oil were
instead focused on developing electric vehicles and the means to
power them, we would have a different reality.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Being able to transport an entire car load of people without
having to wait an hour between charges would be science fiction
in a world where everyone all had electric cars.

Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying
someone to sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think
economically it would certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go
versus cheaper electric and wait.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure
the infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a
choice of that or building an entire fuel supply
infrastructure from scratch.

On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

In that scenario...

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to
go another 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"

Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on
electric/charging.  The shipping industry would collapse.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

I would imagine that if we were designing cars from
scratch today, using a combustion engine definitely
wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the outcry if the
infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship
explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles
that will emit huge amounts of pollution versus having
charging stations everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I read recently that in the US electric cars were
considered the better option in the early days (like
1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made out of
oil and the economic argument went the other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla
has never been "on time", but they make decent cars
when they cost around $100 grand. When they're "giving
them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting
better day by day. In 18 months or so, they may tip
over to the point of working for a majority of buyers.
I can wait until then to see how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else
is getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for
others it may be mostly hy

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

I thought the super charger station replaces the whole battery bank.. if you 
opt for that one on “fill-up”?


> On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What do they say about the cost to replace the battery bank after it zonks in 
> 5 years or less? How does the cost compare when that is figured in? Or does 
> everybody just assume that all cars are worthless after 5 years.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:22 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> That’s ok (pat pat pat on the head) I don’t expect you to understand... ;-)
> 
> 
> From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> 
> You're boasting about a technological feature used while visiting a bank.  
> Irony :P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:15 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I have driven electrics for years.  You don’t even notice the charging.  You 
> park, get out, plug in on the way into to the house.  3-5 seconds...  It is 
> no additional time or effort and your car is always full and ready to go the 
> next time you get in.  And it can be warm or cool automatically when you get 
> in.  You can leave the air conditioner running when you go into the bank or 
> store
> 
> But there is no convincing some people that  the horseless carriage is the 
> future either... ;-)
> 
> From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> You know never stopping to fuel up is a bunch of bullshark. Gas up has just 
> been replaced with charge up. Sure the fuel is cheaper, but is a step 
> backwards in convenience as Mr. May said in the video. A plug in car would be 
> okay as a second car.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:03:19 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> 
> Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once a 
> week.
> There is nothing but upside here.
> 
> From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what I 
> spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...
> 
> Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
> looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.
> 
> 115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you pass 
> it.
> 
> From: Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
> 
> No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love the 
> updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but I'm 
> more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
> 
> I saw the we

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Sure, but look at the advances Tesla has made, by themselves, in just a
few years. That's one company, with a lot of hurdles to overcome, that
have come through with a lot of advancements that were believed to be
decades away not too long ago.

I have a lot of respect for people like Elon Musk, who don't sit around
arguing why things are impossible or too hard. I wouldn't buy a Tesla
today, but I give them a massive amount of credit for trying to do
something, even with all the ongoing naysayers. There's way too much of
that going on in all kinds of industries because it's easier to just
stick to the status quo. Look at Palmer Luckey - this kid was banging
together VR goggles in his bedroom, and everyone said the kind of
virtual reality goggles that are now shipping were impossible to make
just a couple of years ago. Now that he pushed it forward and figured it
out, HTC is making a headset, Sony is making a headset..

Those are the kinds of people I have a lot of respect for. Just get up
and try doing something, even if everyone keeps saying it won't work.

On 4/1/2016 10:07 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance trips.
Need battery swap.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694
And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic world? I
don’t see electric vehicles in Mad Max movies (except for the guitar
guy who obviously has some form of electric power available). The
best solution would seem to be the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from
Back to the Future. We will never run out of garbage.

*From:* Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today,
using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can
imagine the outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to
ship explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that
will emit huge amounts of pollution versus having charging stations
everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the
better option in the early days (like 1890-1910). Then we found out
Texas was made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been
"on time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100
grand. When they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a
whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day.
In 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a
majority of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>

<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Are you mindful of the increased load/demand on the power grid there?

I know Ohio is more than half coal and last night I looked up that Kentucky
was 92% coal.  So in the electric world we're taking fossil fuels shipped
to the power plant and then generating power (losing efficiency here) and
then delivering it to the car.  Storing it is also inefficient.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have a
> crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My personal
> feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective engineering
> might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies devoted to
> transporting and refining oil were instead focused on developing electric
> vehicles and the means to power them, we would have a different reality.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to
> wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where
> everyone all had electric cars.
>
> Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to sit
> and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would
> certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and
> wait.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the
>> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or
>> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> In that scenario...
>>
>> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another
>> 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"
>>
>> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
>> shipping industry would collapse.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake < <simon@sonar.software>
>> simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>
>>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>>
>>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> It does now...
>>>
>>> but can it blend?
>>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < <af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>>
>>>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>>>> hydro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.i

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

wonder if semi trailers could be built with solar panels on top.. and its own 
battery array it charges.
Hook up multiple trailers you extend your battery array with each trailer.
Why not use that view of the sky to charge up the rig pulling you.
Given truckers drive at night, so this wouldnt work well, not to mention 
driving in non-sunny states :)


> On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have a 
> crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My personal 
> feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective engineering 
> might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies devoted to 
> transporting and refining oil were instead focused on developing electric 
> vehicles and the means to power them, we would have a different reality.
> 
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to wait 
>> an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where everyone 
>> all had electric cars.
>> 
>> Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to sit 
>> and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would 
>> certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and wait.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software 
>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
>> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the 
>> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or 
>> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.
>> 
>> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> In that scenario...
>>> 
>>> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another 500 
>>> miles?!  Over and over?!"
>>> 
>>> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The 
>>> shipping industry would collapse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake < 
>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software 
>>> <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
>>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a 
>>> combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the 
>>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive 
>>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts 
>>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>> 
>>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better 
>>>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was 
>>>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on 
>>>>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When 
>>>>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 
>>>>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority 
>>>>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>> It does now...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> but can it blend?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < 
>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>>>>> To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com &l

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Ken Hohhof

30 minutes to recharge seems problematic for long distance trips.  Need battery 
swap.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-owners-frustrated-by-recharge-waits-1435690694

And which type of vehicle is best in a post-apocalyptic world?  I don’t see 
electric vehicles in Mad Max movies (except for the guitar guy who obviously 
has some form of electric power available).  The best solution would seem to be 
the Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean from Back to the Future.  We will never run out 
of garbage.


From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a 
combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the outcry 
if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive fuel all 
around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts of pollution 
versus having charging stations everywhere.


On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better 
option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made 
out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.


  On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on 
time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When they're 
"giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 18 
months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of 
buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  It does now...

  but can it blend?

  On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly 
hydro.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

  At a pretty cheaper cost too.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> 
wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging 
station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at 
work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it 
for you...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
        To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have 
them all if you're not at a free charging location.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
        To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, 
get out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait 
for beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of 
the above, stand in rain, s

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

What do they say about the cost to replace the battery bank after it zonks
in 5 years or less? How does the cost compare when that is figured in? Or
does everybody just assume that all cars are worthless after 5 years.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:22 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That’s ok (pat pat pat on the head) I don’t expect you to understand...
> ;-)
> 
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
> You're boasting about a technological feature used while visiting a bank.
> Irony :P
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:15 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I have driven electrics for years.  You don’t even notice the charging.
>> You park, get out, plug in on the way into to the house.  3-5 seconds...
>> It is no additional time or effort and your car is always full and ready to
>> go the next time you get in.  And it can be warm or cool automatically when
>> you get in.  You can leave the air conditioner running when you go into the
>> bank or store
>>
>> But there is no convincing some people that  the horseless carriage is
>> the future either... ;-)
>>
>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:06 PM
>>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
> You know never stopping to fuel up is a bunch of bullshark. Gas up has
>> just been replaced with charge up. Sure the fuel is cheaper, but is a step
>> backwards in convenience as Mr. May said in the video. A plug in car would
>> be okay as a second car.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:03:19 PM
>>
>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
>> If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once
>> a week.
>> There is nothing but upside here.
>>
>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
>>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
> Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than
>> what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...
>>
>> Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side
>> looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.
>>
>> 115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you
>>> pass it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>>
>>> No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love
>>> the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome,
>>> but I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
>>>
>>> I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't
>>> be announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One day!
>>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Simon Westlake
>>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 <%28702%29%20447-1247>
>>>> ---
>>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>>>> https://sonar.software
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree since neither of us have
a crystal ball into an alternate reality which doesn't exist. My
personal feeling is that if there was a clean slate, and the collective
engineering might of all the car manufacturers and all the companies
devoted to transporting and refining oil were instead focused on
developing electric vehicles and the means to power them, we would have
a different reality.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to
wait an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where
everyone all had electric cars.

Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to
sit and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it
would certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper
electric and wait.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the
infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of
that or building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.

On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

In that scenario...

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go
another 500 miles?! Over and over?!"

Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on
electric/charging. The shipping industry would collapse.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake
<simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... w

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Until you run out of juice and have to unroll your 45000 foot extension
cord. I was interested in the Model S but it just doesn't have enough range
for west Texas.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:34 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you
> pass it.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
> No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love the
> updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but
> I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.
>
> I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't be
> announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P
>
> Josh Luthman
>
>
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote:
>
>> One day!
>
>
>>
>> On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 <%28702%29%20447-1247>
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Being able to transport an entire car load of people without having to wait
an hour between charges would be science fiction in a world where everyone
all had electric cars.

Good or bad is generally subjective, but when you're paying someone to sit
and watch the battery meter go to full I think economically it would
certainly be good to have cheap fuel and go versus cheaper electric and
wait.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the
> infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or
> building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> In that scenario...
>
> "Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another
> 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"
>
> Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
> shipping industry would collapse.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using
>> a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
>> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
>> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
>> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
>> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
>> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
>> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
>> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>>
>> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In
>> 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority
>> of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> It does now...
>>
>> but can it blend?
>> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < <af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But does it have SFPs?
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>>> hydro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> *To: * <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@sh

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Not sure if you're saying that's good or bad, I'm pretty sure the 
infrastructure would be a solvable problem if it was a choice of that or 
building an entire fuel supply infrastructure from scratch.


On 4/1/2016 9:46 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

In that scenario...

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go 
another 500 miles?!  Over and over?!"


Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The 
shipping industry would collapse.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software 
<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:


I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today,
using a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can
imagine the outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was
to ship explosive fuel all around the country, to power vehicles
that will emit huge amounts of pollution versus having charging
stations everywhere.

On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the
better option in the early days (like 1890-1910). Then we found
out Texas was made out of oil and the economic argument went the
other way.

On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never
been "on time", but they make decent cars when they cost around
$100 grand. When they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may
be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by
day. In 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of
working for a majority of buyers. I can wait until then to see
how it works out.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting
one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may
be mostly hydro.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
    <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
        *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting
one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a
wall or charging station. No difference. Same
actions, just different object.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/compan

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

In that scenario...

"Whoa you can go 500 miles and then recharge in 2 minutes to go another 500
miles?!  Over and over?!"

Imagine if semi/cargo trucks were dependent on electric/charging.  The
shipping industry would collapse.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using a
> combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the
> outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive
> fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge amounts
> of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>
> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 18
> months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of
> buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> It does now...
>
> but can it blend?
> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> But does it have SFPs?
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
>> hydro.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>
>> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" < <ch...@shelbybb.com>
>> ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett < <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging
>>>> station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/&g

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Jaime Solorza

We have lithium in our waterthat's why we are so mellow mellow mellow
On Apr 1, 2016 8:40 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> When we found oil in North Dakota, that argument was pretty much settled.
> Until they find Lithium in a Chicago suburb or they figure out they don’t
> need Lithium, it’s oil 1, electric 0.  That is unless you have an HOV lane
> in your city and a wife that is much happier because she doesn’t  have to
> put up with traffic.  Then it’s electric 99, Oil 6, husband 1000.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, April 1, 2016 7:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better
> option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was
> made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on
> time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When
> they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.
>
> But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 18
> months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of
> buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> It does now...
>
> but can it blend?
>
> On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> But does it have SFPs?
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
>
>
> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
> hydro.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station.
> No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a pa

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I would imagine that if we were designing cars from scratch today, using 
a combustion engine definitely wouldn't be the choice. I can imagine the 
outcry if the infrastructure plan for new vehicles was to ship explosive 
fuel all around the country, to power vehicles that will emit huge 
amounts of pollution versus having charging stations everywhere.


On 4/1/2016 9:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the 
better option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out 
Texas was made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.


On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been 
"on time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 
grand. When they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole 
new ballgame.


But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. 
In 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a 
majority of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be
mostly hydro.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or
charging station. No difference. Same actions, just
different object.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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----------------
*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?

But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at
home and at work and at my other work. 3-5 seconds. 
    None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?
You still have most of those hassles with electric. You
still have them all if you'

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

When we found oil in North Dakota, that argument was pretty much settled.  
Until they find Lithium in a Chicago suburb or they figure out they don’t need 
Lithium, it’s oil 1, electric 0.  That is unless you have an HOV lane in your 
city and a wife that is much happier because she doesn’t  have to put up with 
traffic.  Then it’s electric 99, Oil 6, husband 1000.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 7:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better option 
in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was made out of 
oil and the economic argument went the other way.
On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on time", 
but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When they're 
"giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.

But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 18 
months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a majority of 
buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It does now...

but can it blend?
On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
But does it have SFPs?

From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly hydro.


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From: "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" 
<ch...@shelbybb.com<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:
At a pretty cheaper cost too.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object.


-
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla M

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Adam Moffett

I read recently that in the US electric cars were considered the better 
option in the early days (like 1890-1910).  Then we found out Texas was 
made out of oil and the economic argument went the other way.


On 4/1/2016 9:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been 
"on time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. 
When they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new 
ballgame.


But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. 
In 18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a 
majority of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be
mostly hydro.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or
charging station. No difference. Same actions, just
different object.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
        
----------------
*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?

But you don’t. That is the point.  I have a charger at
home and at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds. 
    None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?
You still have most of those hassles with electric. You
still have them all if you're not at a free charging
location.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

I honestly wouldn't get in line for one today. Tesla has never been "on 
time", but they make decent cars when they cost around $100 grand. When 
they're "giving them away" for $35,000, it may be a whole new ballgame.


But the arguments for an electric car are getting better day by day. In 
18 months or so, they may tip over to the point of working for a 
majority of buyers. I can wait until then to see how it works out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 6:50 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


It does now...

but can it blend?

On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be
mostly hydro.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:

At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or
charging station. No difference. Same actions, just
different object.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

------------
    *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at
home and at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds. None
        if  you have a passenger do it for you...
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is
getting one?
You still have most of those hassles with electric. You
still have them all if you're not at a free charging location.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Free parking in Salt Lake City.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 1:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

The real reason to get one in Phoenix is the HOV lane.  At least an hour of 
drive-time saved every day.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

There are a bunch of advantages to an electric car. The first is not having to 
stop at gas stations at all. Sure, they have to be charged, but that stop is 
already programmed into your routine.

Second, they never, ever need a smog check.

Third, there is no "oil change interval".

Fourth, they can't leak oil.

Fifth, they pollute, like... nothing.

Sixth, you can't carbon monoxide yourself (or anyone else) by letting them idle 
in the garage.

Seventh, their mileage is actually higher in the city.

There are probably others, but it's getting late.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/31/2016 9:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

  At a pretty cheaper cost too.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and 
at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all 
if you're not at a free charging location.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

  From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes.  

  And it costs you money!  

  I charge with solar.  

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

  If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

  It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.

  Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...

  If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once a 
week.  

  There is nothing but upside here.  

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what I 
spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

  Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

  115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas s

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

It does now...

but can it blend?
On Apr 1, 2016 7:29 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> But does it have SFPs?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly
> hydro.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --------------
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>
> Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> At a pretty cheaper cost too.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging
>>> station. No difference. Same actions, just different object.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work
>>> and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it
>>> for you...
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
>>>
>>> You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them
>>> all if you're not at a free charging location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
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>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Th

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?


I heard SFP+

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/1/2016 5:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

But does it have SFPs?
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly 
hydro.




-
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com 
<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:


At a pretty cheaper cost too.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or
charging station. No difference. Same actions, just different
object.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
--------
    *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home
and at work and at my other work.  3-5 seconds. None if  you
    have a passenger do it for you...
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still
have them all if you're not at a free charging location.



-
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<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
    
*From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Time it.  You will be surprised. 5 minutes.  Gotta drive in,
park, get out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for
authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, put hose in, pull
trigger. Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the above,
st

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Ken Hohhof

But does it have SFPs?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 7:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly hydro.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

  At a pretty cheaper cost too.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. 
No difference. Same actions, just different object.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work 
and at my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for 
you...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all 
if you're not at a free charging location.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get 
out, gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for 
beep, put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.  

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes. 

And it costs you money!  

I charge with solar.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

We drive past gas stations every day.  It's what, 2 minutes?

If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge.  
Your route also can't be the scenic one.

It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes 
close in terms of comfort.

Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic.  That's a nice 
upside!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Silent neck  snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up...
  If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once 
a week.  
  There is nothing but upside here.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

  Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than 
what I spend at a gas station.  Then I have to pay for power anyway...

  Not a fan of the front end duck bill.  The rear has too much Prius.  Side 
looks great.  Interior looked unfinished or space aged.

  115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though?  Woof.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you 
pass it.  

From: Josh Luthman 
    Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

No interest really.  Plugging in every time I get home?  Yuck.  I love 
the updates they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but 
I'm more for NA over boost, let alone electric.

I saw t

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

2016-04-01 Thread Mike Hammett

Coal? Mine is mostly nuclear. I'd imagine for others it may be mostly hydro. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:36:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" < ch...@shelbybb.com > wrote: 



At a pretty cheaper cost too. 



Regards, 
Chuck 

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 




But you don’t. That is the point. I have a charger at home and at work and at 
my other work. 3-5 seconds. None if you have a passenger do it for you... 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 




Time it. You will be surprised. 5 minutes. Gotta drive in, park, get out, gas 
cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, put 
hose in, pull trigger. Wait a couple of minutes, reverse all of the above, 
stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise. 

>From the moment you leave the street to being back on the street 5 minutes. 

And it costs you money! 

I charge with solar. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


We drive past gas stations every day. It's what, 2 minutes? 
If you travel >200 miles your time table is screwed as you need to charge. Your 
route also can't be the scenic one. 
It costs more than my current car which I have today and I doubt it comes close 
in terms of comfort. 
Oh and the auto pilot doesn't try to hit oncoming traffic. That's a nice 
upside! 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Apr 1, 2016 12:03 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Silent neck snapping acceleration and never stopping to gas up... 
If your daily trips are fairly short, you would only have to plug in once a 
week. 
There is nothing but upside here. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:00 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


Even if it were 5 seconds that would be more time every two weeks than what I 
spend at a gas station. Then I have to pay for power anyway... 
Not a fan of the front end duck bill. The rear has too much Prius. Side looks 
great. Interior looked unfinished or space aged. 
115k preorders for something you won't see in two years, though? Woof. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Mar 31, 2016 11:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






It takes 5 seconds to plug in and you wave at every gas station as you pass it. 




From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:02 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one? 


No interest really. Plugging in every time I get home? Yuck. I love the updates 
they do with the Model S and the API power is really awesome, but I'm more for 
NA over boost, let alone electric. 
I saw the website and thought "Who's going to preorder a car that won't be 
announced for another hour?". IPhone users :P 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Mar 31, 2016 10:57 PM, "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software> wrote: 


One day! 

On 3/31/2016 9:54 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 


Gerard and I just put our pre-orders in..anyone else? 

Regards, 
Chuck 



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Email: simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 
--- 
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The next generation of ISP billing and OSS 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

The real reason to get one in Phoenix is the HOV lane.  At least an hour of 
drive-time saved every day.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

There are a bunch of advantages to an electric car. The first is not having to 
stop at gas stations at all. Sure, they have to be charged, but that stop is 
already programmed into your routine.

Second, they never, ever need a smog check.

Third, there is no "oil change interval".

Fourth, they can't leak oil.

Fifth, they pollute, like... nothing.

Sixth, you can't carbon monoxide yourself (or anyone else) by letting them idle 
in the garage.

Seventh, their mileage is actually higher in the city.

There are probably others, but it's getting late.

bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/31/2016 9:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" 
<ch...@shelbybb.com<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:
At a pretty cheaper cost too.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and at 
my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minutes, reverse all of the 
above, stand in rain, snow gas fumes, noise.

From the moment you leave the street to being back on the stre

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

We have a Leaf and will probably get a Bolt.  Seriously, 2 years to even have a 
prayer of getting it but you probably know it’s going to be delayed another 
year?  And if there is a better battery in those 3 years, even more delays.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

There are a bunch of advantages to an electric car. The first is not having to 
stop at gas stations at all. Sure, they have to be charged, but that stop is 
already programmed into your routine.

Second, they never, ever need a smog check.

Third, there is no "oil change interval".

Fourth, they can't leak oil.

Fifth, they pollute, like... nothing.

Sixth, you can't carbon monoxide yourself (or anyone else) by letting them idle 
in the garage.

Seventh, their mileage is actually higher in the city.

There are probably others, but it's getting late.

bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/31/2016 9:36 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Coal and oil are kind of the same source for energy.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 1, 2016 12:33 AM, "Chuck Hogg" 
<ch...@shelbybb.com<mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com>> wrote:
At a pretty cheaper cost too.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
You're just replacing a pump with a plug into a wall or charging station. No 
difference. Same actions, just different object.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:28:36 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
But you don’t.  That is the point.  I have a charger at home and at work and at 
my other work.  3-5 seconds.  None if  you have a passenger do it for you...

From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?

You still have most of those hassles with electric. You still have them all if 
you're not at a free charging location.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?
Time it.  You will be surprised.  5 minutes.  Gotta drive in, park, get out, 
gas cap off, swipe card, wait for authentication, select fuel, wait for beep, 
put hose in, pull trigger.  Wait a couple  of minute

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla Model 3... who else is getting one?