Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Jason McKemie]

True. It's just obnoxious to be charged more for the exact same item.

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
> In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
> options.
>
> Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
> higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
> On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> wrote:
>
>> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
>> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
>> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
>> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jno...@lrcomm.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>>>>>> BH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Jaime Solorza]

Ericsson bringing out some new high bandwidth stuff but I have no idea on
price...but heard rep telling someone from Mexico that a new lower price
line coming out later this year.
On Mar 1, 2016 8:23 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
> In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
> options.
>
> Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
> higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
> On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
>> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
>> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
>> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>>>>>> BH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
options.

Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:

> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>> you
>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>> use
>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Jason McKemie]

They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you
>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>
>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Craig Schmaderer]

I am with Chuck.  If you have that kind of bandwidth needs than you have the 
money and need for a license link.  Ill use a license link on a 40 custmer 
tower just so i dont have to ever worry about backhaul issues.  My time is 
valuable and i enjoy my sleep. :)

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:56 PM -0800, "Eric Kuhnke" 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This seems to be the curse of ubnt.

Making changes to something like management IP or timezone, clock, whatever 
should not reboot a radio.

It is somewhat forgiveable on a $499 radio buy not on a $6000 link.

All proper part101 radios have the management interface separated from the 
traffic pipe.

So, lesson, get your ubnt set up right the first time, or learn to enjoy 
maintenance windows at 0200 on Tuesday mornings.

On Mar 1, 2016 7:34 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" 
<s...@genias.net<mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
remote sides to keep modulations up.

AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.




Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag 
von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?

AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.
On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick 
<sut...@gmail.com<mailto:sut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:
Same with Cambium PTP820S


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.
On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.
Sam

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Eric Kuhnke]

This seems to be the curse of ubnt.

Making changes to something like management IP or timezone, clock, whatever
should not reboot a radio.

It is somewhat forgiveable on a $499 radio buy not on a $6000 link.

All proper part101 radios have the management interface separated from the
traffic pipe.

So, lesson, get your ubnt set up right the first time, or learn to enjoy
maintenance windows at 0200 on Tuesday mornings.
On Mar 1, 2016 7:34 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>
> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>
>
>
> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And
> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>
> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>
>
> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>
> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
> back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
> reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
> are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
>
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
> Sam
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. This was a great radio.





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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 16:59
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



and the PTP600 was what, ten years old when the AF5x came out?



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From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net <mailto:s...@genias.net> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:34:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the

remote sides to keep modulations up.



AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.

The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.









Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?


AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.

On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com 
<mailto:sut...@gmail.com> > wrote:

However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com 
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote:

Same with Cambium PTP820S






Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 





On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote:

The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>



Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 <tel:209-838-1221%20x115>



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.



From: Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



More than 1.5 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Chris Wright]

And sometime last month, and the month before that…

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser 
<er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>> wrote:
Same with Cambium PTP820S


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.
On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.
Sam

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mike Hammett]

and the PTP600 was what, ten years old when the AF5x came out? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:34:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 



Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the 
remote sides to keep modulations up. 

AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600. 
The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot. 




Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 


I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)? 


AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!! 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM. 
The AF24HD is 256QAM. 

On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



Probably added another modulation on top. Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
64QAM? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick < sut...@gmail.com > wrote: 





However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex. 





On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep. 





On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month. 



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser < er...@northcentraltower.com > 
wrote: 



Same with Cambium PTP820S 
















Erich Kaiser 

North Central Tower 

er...@northcentraltower.com 

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 






On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 




The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.> 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 
Velociter Wireless 
209-838-1221 x115 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 


A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD... 



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 




I would do licensed. 11 or 18 GHz. Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time. That that much more money. If you are maxing 
out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH. 






From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 



More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. 
...but it depends how much rain you get. 

On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: 






Hey all, 
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time. 
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while. 

Sam 





-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Stefan Englhardt]

>From a programmer perspective it is simple to understand. You’ve just one 
>function doing the setup

and if s.th. changed you always call the same function doing always the same. 
Less code.



For the operator it is very bad. With CAC a simple change takes >100s until the 
link is back. Which is

a lot for a backhaul.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Baird
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



Mimosa is quite good about this too.  I don't see why nearly *everything* 
requires a reboot on UBNT.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

>Every change gives a reboot.

I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly, believe 
me I know how you feel.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the

remote sides to keep modulations up.



AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.

The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.









Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?


AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.

On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com 
<mailto:sut...@gmail.com> > wrote:

However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com 
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote:

Same with Cambium PTP820S






Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 





On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote:

The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>



Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 <tel:209-838-1221%20x115>



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.



From: Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.

On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

You had my hopes up =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are probably right.  I said "nearly" because I wasn't 100% sure.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Nearly everything?  What doesn't require a reboot???  I'm pretty sure
>> every config change requires it.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mimosa is quite good about this too.  I don't see why nearly
>>> *everything* requires a reboot on UBNT.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Every change gives a reboot.
>>>>
>>>> I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly,
>>>> believe me I know how you feel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
>>>>> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>>>>>
>>>>> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho.
>>>>> And it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>>>>>
>>>>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
>>>>> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>>>>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Baird]

You are probably right.  I said "nearly" because I wasn't 100% sure.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Nearly everything?  What doesn't require a reboot???  I'm pretty sure
> every config change requires it.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mimosa is quite good about this too.  I don't see why nearly *everything*
>> requires a reboot on UBNT.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >Every change gives a reboot.
>>>
>>> I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly,
>>> believe me I know how you feel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
>>>> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>>>>
>>>> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho.
>>>> And it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>>>>
>>>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>>>>
>>>> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
>>>> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>>>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for
>>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>
>>>> North Central Tower

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

Nearly everything?  What doesn't require a reboot???  I'm pretty sure every
config change requires it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mimosa is quite good about this too.  I don't see why nearly *everything*
> requires a reboot on UBNT.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> >Every change gives a reboot.
>>
>> I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly,
>> believe me I know how you feel.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
>>> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>>>
>>> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And
>>> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>>>
>>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>>>
>>>
>>> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>>>
>>> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
>>> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for
>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Baird]

Mimosa is quite good about this too.  I don't see why nearly *everything*
requires a reboot on UBNT.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> >Every change gives a reboot.
>
> I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly,
> believe me I know how you feel.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
>> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>>
>> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>>
>>
>>
>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And
>> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>>
>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>>
>>
>> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>>
>> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
>> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
>> back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
>> reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
>> are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>>
>> North Central Tower
>>
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>>
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

>Every change gives a reboot.

I was spoiled with Mikrotik having every config change done instantly,
believe me I know how you feel.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>
> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>
>
>
> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And
> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>
> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>
>
> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>
> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
> back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
> reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
> are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
>
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
> Sam
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Stefan Englhardt]

Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the

remote sides to keep modulations up.



AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.

The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.









Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?


AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.

On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com 
<mailto:sut...@gmail.com> > wrote:

However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com 
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com 
<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com> > wrote:

Same with Cambium PTP820S






Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 





On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net 
<mailto:ch...@velociter.net> > wrote:

The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>



Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 <tel:209-838-1221%20x115>



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.



From: Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.

On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.

Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.

Sam


--

--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598   Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?

AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>
> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
>> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I 
>>>>> for
>>>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Wright
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Network Administrator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
>>>>>>> Howard
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>>>>>>> BH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Steve Utick]

Yes, the 24 is 64QAM, and the HD is 256QAM.

the 24 will do 64QAM at -66, but the HD requires a -60 to do 256QAM.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for
>>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Wright
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Network Administrator
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>>>>>> BH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.
On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
>> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for
>>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Wright
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Network Administrator
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>>>>>> BH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't
it?  64QAM?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick <sut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow!
>>> Looking back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for
>>> some reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's
>>> links are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Wright
>>>>>
>>>>> Network Administrator
>>>>>
>>>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>>>
>>>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>> you
>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>> use
>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

Wait another few inches on the dish and they doubled the price???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:

> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
> back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
> reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
> are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>>
>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Joe Novak]

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>>
>>
>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>>
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Erich Kaiser]

Same with Cambium PTP820S


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
>
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
> Sam
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Chris Wright]

The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.

On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.

Sam

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com<http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Time to buy ETSI class 4 antennas and specify those in your coordination.
You may be able to do links that otherwise will not coordinate right if you
use more expensive gear with amazing (70db!) F/b ratio and tiny sidelobes.

Multi month lead times on Commscopr Sentinel 3' class 4 antenna right now.

I would consider such to be a worthwhile investment. If they don't get
crushed by ice or dropped off a tower while hosting, such antennas in the
cylindrical dual polarity waveguide version will still be very useful in 10
or 15 years.
On Feb 29, 2016 11:58 AM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you
>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>
>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The bigger Rx antenna on the AF24HD is helpful, but you're still severely
limited for link budget due to +0 maximum TX power and 24 GHz's atmospheric
behavior.

For $6k+ the price of an AF24HD, I would buy instead a set of SIAE
AlfoPlus2 1024QAM licensed radios in 11 or 18 GHz. At your distance with 3'
dishes it can be engineered for six nines of uptime statistically at
300Mbps full duplex.

Plus the one time part101 coordination/FCC fees of course. It's worth it.
On Feb 29, 2016 8:23 AM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:

> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
band gets hammered like the village bicycle.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:

> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>
>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>> while.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Joe Novak]

Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>> will saturate the link in no time.
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mathew Howard]

haha ;)

But a B11 link really is what I'd be looking at doing in that situation.
Another possible option would be to do an AF3x link, that should be able to
do pretty close to 300 meg at 7 miles, it'll be about a third the price an
AF24HD, and it'll still save 5ghz spectrum.


On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I don't know if I'd expect 24 GHz to work reliably at 7 miles =P
>
> Not trying to give Mimosa a hard time or anything!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> True, but only one is also going to work reliably at 7 miles
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Only one of those can you deploy today.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>>>>> you
>>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>>>>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>>>>> use
>>>>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mathew Howard]

True, but only one is also going to work reliably at 7 miles

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Only one of those can you deploy today.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>
>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>> while.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

I don't know if I'd expect 24 GHz to work reliably at 7 miles =P

Not trying to give Mimosa a hard time or anything!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> True, but only one is also going to work reliably at 7 miles
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Only one of those can you deploy today.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>>>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you
>>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>>>
>>>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>>>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>>>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>>>> will saturate the link in no time.
>>>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>>>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>>>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

Only one of those can you deploy today.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
>> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
>> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
>> will saturate the link in no time.
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mathew Howard]

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* I've used your 1.9 mile link as the bar for me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:40:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 

We ran a regular AF24 at 4.6 miles.� It would work fine, but would be 
completely gone during any rain. 


On 2/29/2016 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





RadioMobile is free. 
You can use Cambium if you want to put in all your customer data (assuming they 
have a product in the same band).� 


� 

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:36 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 
� 


I wish they had a path calc tool.� The way they do things, it more like put 
it up and pray. 


� 
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.� That's at the cusp where you 
have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz. 
If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz. 

Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?� That would be a good place to 
start. 





On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





I would do licensed.� 11 or 18 GHz.� Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.� That that much more money.� If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.� 


� 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? 
� 
More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. 
...but it depends how much rain you get. 



On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: 






Hey all, 
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time. 
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while. 



Sam 




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 










-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie 
Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
575-758-7598 Office 
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Nate Burke]

We ran a regular AF24 at 4.6 miles.  It would work fine, but would be 
completely gone during any rain.


On 2/29/2016 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

RadioMobile is free.
You can use Cambium if you want to put in all your customer data 
(assuming they have a product in the same band).

*From:* Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:36 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
I wish they had a path calc tool.  The way they do things, it more 
like put it up and pray.
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp
where you have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch
to 11ghz.
If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz.

Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a
good place to start.



On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz. Then you save the spectrum
and have something that works all the time.  That that much more
money.  If you are maxing out APs then you have the customers to
pay for the licensed BH.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
More than 1.5 to /maybe /2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.


On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am
loathe to use it as will saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of
the AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work
well? I don't need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more
than enough for quite a while.


Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>







--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Bill Prince]

It depends on your rain zone. We have a AF24 (not the HD) running ~~ 9 
miles. We do get some fade in rain, but we're in a relatively mild zone.


bp


On 2/29/2016 8:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 
access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe 
to use it as will saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the 
AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I 
don't need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough 
for quite a while.



Sam

--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Chuck McCown]

RadioMobile is free.
You can use Cambium if you want to put in all your customer data (assuming they 
have a product in the same band).  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

I wish they had a path calc tool.  The way they do things, it more like put it 
up and pray.


On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp where you 
have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz.
  If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz. 

  Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a good place to 
start. 




  On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.



On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

  Hey all,

  I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access 
points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.

  Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the 
AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need 
the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.



  Sam

  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com







-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Chuck McCown]

I have done 18 GHz @ 7 miles several times without issue.  But in Utah.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp where you have 
to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz.
If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz. 

Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a good place to 
start.



On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

  More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
  ...but it depends how much rain you get.



  On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access 
points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.

Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the 
AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need 
the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.



Sam

-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

We do an AF24HD at 4.5 miles right now. It’s linking at 64QAM and 770Mbps FD. 
It does alright, except when there’s heavy rain. We’re in the desert so there 
isn’t too much of that.

-c


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
> 
> 
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access 
>> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as 
>> will saturate the link in no time.
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
>> Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the 
>> full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.
>> 
>> 
>> Sam
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Sam Lambie]

I wish they had a path calc tool.  The way they do things, it more like put
it up and pray.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp where you
> have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz.
> If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz.
>
> Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a good place
> to start.
>
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Josh Luthman]

https://airlink.ubnt.com/#/

Not sure it calculates rain fade at all FYI


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp where you
> have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz.
> If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz.
>
> Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a good place
> to start.
>
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Adam Moffett]

I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles.  That's at the cusp where 
you have to decide whether to use a big fatty dish or switch to 11ghz.

If you're in a desert, then maybe it's all fine and good to do 24ghz.

Does UBNT provide some kind of path calc tool?  That would be a good 
place to start.



On 2/29/2016 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and 
have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  
If you are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the 
licensed BH.

*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
More than 1.5 to /maybe /2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.


On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 
access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe 
to use it as will saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the 
AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I 
don't need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough 
for quite a while.



Sam

--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Chuck McCown]

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.



On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

  Hey all,

  I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access 
points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.

  Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.



  Sam

  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Adam Moffett]

More than 1.5 to /maybe /2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.


On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 
access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe 
to use it as will saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the 
AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I 
don't need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough 
for quite a while.



Sam

--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

[Mathew Howard]

It might work, but it's going to drop everytime someone sneezes in the
general area.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>