Re: [AFMUG] List

[Carl Peterson]

"Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know" belongs on both the
pro and con lists.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Awaiting the arrival of our new home.
>
> Thanks for the help for the past 5 years Pauldont go anywhere:)
>
> Glad you are smiling a little more of these days Chuck :)
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] List
> Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 10:44 PM
>
> There are more pros:
> Superman
> A lot of fun
> A bunch of those cons are also pros.
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
>> Pros
>> Buzz
>>
>> Cons
>> Dick stops working, even the next day
>> Ugly women look good to you
>> You hit on ugly women
>> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
>> Hangovers
>> Puke mouth
>> Kissing a puke mouth
>> Beer goggles
>> Beer gut
>> Puking
>> Cleaning up Puke
>> Screwing your buddies wife
>> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
>> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
>> Waking up not knowing where you are
>> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
>> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
>> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
>> to be your mother.
>> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
>> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you
>> can see is white.
>> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>>
>> So I have been told...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>>
>> i havent been drinking, so its ok
>> thats a lie though
>> i have been drinking
>> and its not ok
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the
>>>> AWS is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off
>>>> long enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>>> mailmanhost.com
>>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>>
>>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] List

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Awaiting the arrival of our new home.

Thanks for the help for the past 5 years Pauldont go anywhere:)

Glad you are smiling a little more of these days Chuck :)

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] List
Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2018 10:44 PM

There are more pros:Superman
A lot of fun
A bunch of those cons are also pros.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:




To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons

Pros

Buzz

 

Cons

Dick stops working, even the next day

Ugly women look good to you

You hit on ugly women

You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license

Hangovers

Puke mouth

Kissing a puke mouth

Beer goggles

Beer gut

Puking

Cleaning up Puke

Screwing your buddies wife

Waking up in jail for no apparent reason

Waking up in your car not knowing where you are

Waking up not knowing where you are

Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit 
card

Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.

Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough 
to be your mother.

Puking in public venues before thousands of people

Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can 
see is white.  

Did I mention that your dick stops working...

 

So I have been told...

 



 


From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List


 


i havent been drinking, so its ok 
thats a lie though

i have been drinking

and its not ok

 


 

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie 
 
wrote:

Good 
to hear, I'm having withdrawals. 



On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:





I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on 
the AWS is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put 
it off long enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move 
to mailmanhost.com

Will probably take a few days.  



 


From: Jason 
McKemie 

Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] List


 


Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on 
anymore.  Unless everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a 
computer like 
me.





 

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

There are more pros:
Superman
A lot of fun
A bunch of those cons are also pros.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
> Pros
> Buzz
>
> Cons
> Dick stops working, even the next day
> Ugly women look good to you
> You hit on ugly women
> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
> Hangovers
> Puke mouth
> Kissing a puke mouth
> Beer goggles
> Beer gut
> Puking
> Cleaning up Puke
> Screwing your buddies wife
> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
> Waking up not knowing where you are
> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
> to be your mother.
> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can
> see is white.
> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>
> So I have been told...
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>
> i havent been drinking, so its ok
> thats a lie though
> i have been drinking
> and its not ok
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>> mailmanhost.com
>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>
>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jaime Solorza]

Dobrynochi comrades

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 8:47 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Where'd you get my resume? You been trolling my linkdn?
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 8:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
>> Pros
>> Buzz
>>
>> Cons
>> Dick stops working, even the next day
>> Ugly women look good to you
>> You hit on ugly women
>> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
>> Hangovers
>> Puke mouth
>> Kissing a puke mouth
>> Beer goggles
>> Beer gut
>> Puking
>> Cleaning up Puke
>> Screwing your buddies wife
>> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
>> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
>> Waking up not knowing where you are
>> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
>> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
>> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
>> to be your mother.
>> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
>> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you
>> can see is white.
>> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>>
>> So I have been told...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>>
>> i havent been drinking, so its ok
>> thats a lie though
>> i have been drinking
>> and its not ok
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the
>>>> AWS is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off
>>>> long enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>>> mailmanhost.com
>>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>>
>>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Steve Jones]

Where'd you get my resume? You been trolling my linkdn?

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 8:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
> Pros
> Buzz
>
> Cons
> Dick stops working, even the next day
> Ugly women look good to you
> You hit on ugly women
> You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
> Hangovers
> Puke mouth
> Kissing a puke mouth
> Beer goggles
> Beer gut
> Puking
> Cleaning up Puke
> Screwing your buddies wife
> Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
> Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
> Waking up not knowing where you are
> Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
> Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
> Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough
> to be your mother.
> Puking in public venues before thousands of people
> Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can
> see is white.
> Did I mention that your dick stops working...
>
> So I have been told...
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List
>
> i havent been drinking, so its ok
> thats a lie though
> i have been drinking
> and its not ok
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>> mailmanhost.com
>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>
>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Chuck McCown]

To drink or not to drink.  Pros and cons
Pros
Buzz

Cons
Dick stops working, even the next day
Ugly women look good to you
You hit on ugly women
You can fu*k up your ability to get insurance or a drivers license
Hangovers
Puke mouth
Kissing a puke mouth
Beer goggles
Beer gut
Puking
Cleaning up Puke
Screwing your buddies wife
Waking up in jail for no apparent reason
Waking up in your car not knowing where you are
Waking up not knowing where you are
Discovering you bought many rounds for the whole bar on your credit card
Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know.
Learning you were making out with a totally fugly girl that is old enough to be 
your mother.
Puking in public venues before thousands of people
Waking up face down in a bathtub thinking you are dead because all you can see 
is white.  
Did I mention that your dick stops working...

So I have been told...


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List

i havent been drinking, so its ok 
thats a lie though
i have been drinking
and its not ok


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals. 


  On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:

I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS is 
getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long enough. 
 Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to mailmanhost.com
Will probably take a few days.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List

Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless 
everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Carl Peterson]

I read "Do I need to move my cot " as Do I need to move my car...  City
life.

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Wait something is changing...
>  Do I need to move my cot :)
>
>
>
> On 06/06/2018 04:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i havent been drinking, so its ok
> thats a lie though
> i have been drinking
> and its not ok
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>>> mailmanhost.com
>>> Will probably take a few days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>>
>>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>>
>>
>
> --
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Dave]

Wait something is changing...
 Do I need to move my cot :)


On 06/06/2018 04:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i havent been drinking, so its ok
thats a lie though
i have been drinking
and its not ok


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.


On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running
on the AWS is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So,
I have put it off long enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy
and the list will move to mailmanhost.com 
Will probably take a few days.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] List
Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on
anymore.  Unless everyone is just outside as opposed to in
front of a computer like me.




--

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Steve Jones]

i havent been drinking, so its ok
thats a lie though
i have been drinking
and its not ok


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:
>
>> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
>> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
>> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
>> mailmanhost.com
>> Will probably take a few days.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>>
>> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
>> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

Good to hear, I'm having withdrawals.

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018,  wrote:

> I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS
> is getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long
> enough.  Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to
> mailmanhost.com
> Will probably take a few days.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List
>
> Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless
> everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.
>

Re: [AFMUG] List

[chuck]

I am in the process of moving it.  AWS or whatever is running on the AWS is 
getting progressively more and more flakey.  So, I have put it off long enough. 
 Domain will move to GoDaddy and the list will move to mailmanhost.com
Will probably take a few days.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List

Is this list just done?  Seems to be off as much as on anymore.  Unless 
everyone is just outside as opposed to in front of a computer like me.

Re: [AFMUG] List

[Jason McKemie]

Definitely did, just came back earlier today.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Was the list dead for two days, or was that just me?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Jaime Solorza]

Me too.  I like 

Jaime Solorza

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 5:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I like beer
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 5:08 PM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> You hate everything.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:50 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I hate slack
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 Here is the problem that comes around every so often.


 1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel
 and the conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine
 some of the threads that have gone off the rails in realtime.
 2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
 3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays
 attention to it.

 As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand,
 it’s not going away anytime soon.

 Justin Wilson
 j...@mtin.net

 www.mtin.net
 www.midwest-ix.com

 On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House 
 wrote:

 Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to
 the email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it
 seems like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose
 if they want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium
 topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic
 specific to what each list member is interested in.  I know my attention
 span sometimes gets lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack
 isn’t the beat choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
 group needs
 Just a thought

 Craig

 Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Steve Jones]

I like beer

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 5:08 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> You hate everything.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:50 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I hate slack
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the problem that comes around every so often.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel
>>> and the conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine
>>> some of the threads that have gone off the rails in realtime.
>>> 2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
>>> 3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays
>>> attention to it.
>>>
>>> As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand,
>>> it’s not going away anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>
>>> www.mtin.net
>>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the
>>> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems
>>> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if
>>> they want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium
>>> topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic
>>> specific to what each list member is interested in.  I know my attention
>>> span sometimes gets lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack
>>> isn’t the beat choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
>>> group needs
>>> Just a thought
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] List Delay

[Jon Lee]

I'm not sure what script the mailing list runs on, but if it uses port 25
it gets throttled by EC2. (Use port 587 or 2587 instead)

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/smtp-connect.html

-Jon
Off-Grid Networks

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You guys woke me ups
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 6:48 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Posting at 11:50 PM CST 20180321
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> > On one of my most recent postings there was a 40 hour delay between
>> posting
>> > and listing.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Bill Prince]

But Slack is easy to hate.


bp


On 3/25/2018 3:08 PM, Adair Winter wrote:

You hate everything.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:50 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


I hate slack

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson > wrote:

Here is the problem that comes around every so often.


1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a
channel and the conversation gets crazy. It’s a conversation
not a thread. Imagine some of the threads that have gone off
the rails in realtime.
2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like
e-mail
3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or
pays attention to it.

As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t
understand, it’s not going away anytime soon.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

www.mtin.net 
www.midwest-ix.com 


On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House
>
wrote:

Anyone thought about using something like slack as an
alternative to the email list. Maybe there is a good reason
for the email format but it seems like it would allow for
categories for topics so members could choose if they want to
be in on the topic or not. Such as fiber topics. Cambium
topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it
more topic specific to what each list member is interested
in.  I know my attention span sometimes gets lost on things
that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack isn’t the beat
choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
group needs
Just a thought

Craig

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Mathew Howard]

you say that like there's something wrong with hating everything...

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> You hate everything.
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:50 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I hate slack
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the problem that comes around every so often.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel
>>> and the conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine
>>> some of the threads that have gone off the rails in realtime.
>>> 2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
>>> 3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays
>>> attention to it.
>>>
>>> As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand,
>>> it’s not going away anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>
>>> www.mtin.net
>>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the
>>> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems
>>> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if
>>> they want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium
>>> topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic
>>> specific to what each list member is interested in.  I know my attention
>>> span sometimes gets lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack
>>> isn’t the beat choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
>>> group needs
>>> Just a thought
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Adair Winter]

You hate everything.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:50 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I hate slack
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Here is the problem that comes around every so often.
>>
>>
>> 1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel
>> and the conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine
>> some of the threads that have gone off the rails in realtime.
>> 2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
>> 3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays
>> attention to it.
>>
>> As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand,
>> it’s not going away anytime soon.
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> www.mtin.net
>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the
>> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems
>> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if
>> they want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium
>> topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic
>> specific to what each list member is interested in.  I know my attention
>> span sometimes gets lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack
>> isn’t the beat choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
>> group needs
>> Just a thought
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Mike Hammett]

There are different types of DDoS. Volumetric vs. low and slow. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:51:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW... 


I don't see any reason the list would be attacked for such a sustained time, 
motive? How does one DDoS amazon??!? 


Do you have any data to support the theory? 


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Should be, " Steve, who didn't you tick off?" 




Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Guys, 

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow. We are 
digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here. It appears that there 
might be some form of attack against the list from overseas. 

Steve, who did you tick off? 

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal. Of course, by the time 
you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it. 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772 -564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Mike Hammett]

More importantly, the past 30 minutes they've been timely. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:51:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW... 


Hey, is the listing working again? there's an awful lot of messages today... 


On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Vladmir promised if i voted for the orange one he would leave us alone 




On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Guys, 

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow. We are 
digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here. It appears that there 
might be some form of attack against the list from overseas. 

Steve, who did you tick off? 

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal. Of course, by the time 
you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it. 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Keefe John]

Must be the Russians.


On 3/23/2018 10:40 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Guys,

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.� 
We are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.� It 
appears that there might be some form of attack against the list from 
overseas.


Steve, who did you tick off?

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.� Of course, by 
the time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.


Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[TJ Trout]

I don't see any reason the list would be attacked for such a sustained
time, motive? How does one DDoS amazon??!?

Do you have any data to support the theory?

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Should be, " Steve, who didn't you tick off?"
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
>> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
>> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, who did you tick off?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
>> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772
>> -564-6800
>>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Mathew Howard]

Hey, is the listing working again? there's an awful lot of messages today...

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Vladmir promised if i voted for the orange one he would leave us alone
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
>> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
>> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, who did you tick off?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
>> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Steve Jones]

If you cant trust the commie red rusky bastards who can you trust

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:58 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Damn it, Steve.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
>> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
>> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, who did you tick off?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
>> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Steve Jones]

I hate slack

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 4:06 PM Justin Wilson  wrote:

> Here is the problem that comes around every so often.
>
>
> 1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel and
> the conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine
> some of the threads that have gone off the rails in realtime.
> 2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
> 3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays
> attention to it.
>
> As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand,
> it’s not going away anytime soon.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House  wrote:
>
> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the
> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems
> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if
> they want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium
> topics.  Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic
> specific to what each list member is interested in.  I know my attention
> span sometimes gets lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack
> isn’t the beat choice but there is surely something like that to fit the
> group needs
> Just a thought
>
> Craig
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Jaime Solorza]

Should be, " Steve, who didn't you tick off?"

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Guys,
>
>
>
> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>
>
>
> Steve, who did you tick off?
>
>
>
> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772
> -564-6800
>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Bill Prince]

It's having issues. Paul was looking at it. Speculation about DDOS or 
something.


Sent 2018-03-24 at 08:48 PDT.

bp


On 3/24/2018 6:02 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Did the list dieded or is it just me?

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/25/18 5:12 AM, Craig House wrote:

Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the email 
list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems like it 
would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if they want to 
be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium topics.  Mimosa ubnt 
and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic specific to what each list 
member is interested in.  I know my attention span sometimes gets lost on 
things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack isn’t the beat choice but there 
is surely something like that to fit the group needs



No from me... I like the general all topics nature of this list. Don't 
need some on/off topic category mess, that would kill the fun.

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Colin Stanners]

Works for me. Sent this message 9:00 CST, will see how long it takes to get
to the list.

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 8:02 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Did the list dieded or is it just me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Jason McKemie]

It's been very spotty the past week or so. Paul thought it might be under
attack from overseas and was working on it last I heard.

On Saturday, March 24, 2018, George Skorup  wrote:

> Did the list dieded or is it just me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Justin Wilson]

Here is the problem that comes around every so often.


1.Slack is the wild Wild West.  Get more than a few folks in a channel and the 
conversation gets crazy.  It’s a conversation not a thread. Imagine some of the 
threads that have gone off the rails in realtime. 
2.Message boards are good but the are not pushed to you like e-mail
3.Facebook is pushed to you, but not everyone has facebook or pays attention to 
it.

As much as people keep wanting e-mail to die, which I don’t understand, it’s 
not going away anytime soon.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Craig House  wrote:
> 
> Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the 
> email list.  Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems 
> like it would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if they 
> want to be in on the topic or not.  Such as fiber topics. Cambium topics.  
> Mimosa ubnt and sync.  Lots of options to make it more topic specific to what 
> each list member is interested in.  I know my attention span sometimes gets 
> lost on things that don’t involve my work.  Maybe slack isn’t the beat choice 
> but there is surely something like that to fit the group needs 
> Just a thought 
> 
> Craig 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Steve Jones]

Vladmir promised if i voted for the orange one he would leave us alone

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Guys,
>
>
>
> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>
>
>
> Steve, who did you tick off?
>
>
>
> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Bill Prince]

Let's see how long this takes. I have a few posts from the last few days 
that are hung up somewhere in cyber space.


2018-03-24 @ 14:25 PDT.


bp


On 3/24/2018 1:11 PM, George Skorup wrote:

Holy crap. I sent that like four days ago.

$ping af@afmug.com
reply 345,600,000ms

George Skorup
Network Operations
Cyber Broadcasting, LLC
Internet services division of
Midwest Communications, Inc
680 S Broadway, Coal City, IL 60416
O (815)634-8708 x105

On 3/24/2018 9:48 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
It's having issues. Paul was looking at it. Speculation about DDOS or 
something.


Sent 2018-03-24 at 08:48 PDT.

(also sent to the list)

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Josh Luthman]

Damn it, Steve.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Guys,
>
>
>
> Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.  We
> are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.  It appears that
> there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.
>
>
>
> Steve, who did you tick off?
>
>
>
> Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.  Of course, by the
> time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List alternative?

[Mike Hammett]

There are a few Slack channels out there already as well as Facebook groups. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Craig House"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:12:22 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] List alternative? 

Anyone thought about using something like slack as an alternative to the email 
list. Maybe there is a good reason for the email format but it seems like it 
would allow for categories for topics so members could choose if they want to 
be in on the topic or not. Such as fiber topics. Cambium topics. Mimosa ubnt 
and sync. Lots of options to make it more topic specific to what each list 
member is interested in. I know my attention span sometimes gets lost on things 
that don’t involve my work. Maybe slack isn’t the beat choice but there is 
surely something like that to fit the group needs 
Just a thought 

Craig 

Sent from my iPhone 

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Matt Hoppes]

It died. 

> On Mar 24, 2018, at 09:02, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Did the list dieded or is it just me?

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Mike Hammett]

Probably waiting for Paul to fix it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 8:02:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] list dead? 

Did the list dieded or is it just me? 

Re: [AFMUG] List Delay

[Jaime Solorza]

You guys woke me ups

Jaime Solorza

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 6:48 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Posting at 11:50 PM CST 20180321
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > On one of my most recent postings there was a 40 hour delay between
> posting
> > and listing.
>

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Jaime Solorza]

Some weird stuff Maynard

Jaime Solorza

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:02 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Did the list dieded or is it just me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] LIST BEING SLOW - VERY SLOW...

[Robert]

First person to test?   9:13am pst

On 3/23/18 8:40 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Guys,

Over the weekend, we became aware that the list has been very slow.� We 
are digging in this AM as we all had a busy weekend here.� It appears 
that there might be some form of attack against the list from overseas.


Steve, who did you tick off?

Anyway, we will get it figured out and back to normal.� Of course, by 
the time you see this, you probably wont know that we are working on it.


Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] list dead?

[Rory Conaway]

Some of us are too busy working to join your coffee klatch :).

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 6:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] list dead?

Did the list dieded or is it just me?

Re: [AFMUG] List Delay

[Josh Reynolds]

Posting at 11:50 PM CST 20180321

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> On one of my most recent postings there was a 40 hour delay between posting
> and listing.

Re: [AFMUG] List Delay

[Steve Jones]

so it it the initial post only or responses too? 3-21 22:50

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> On one of my most recent postings there was a 40 hour delay between
> posting and listing.
>

Re: [AFMUG] List Delay

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah .. I just had a posting come through from last week – originally thought 
it was because I was in Carribean with horrible service but now realizing that 
it was queued up somewhere …

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 7:12 PM
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] List Delay

 

On one of my most recent postings there was a 40 hour delay between posting and 
listing.  

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Jaime Solorza]

Homey don't Facebook

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 23, 2017 1:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That’s fine for the girls...
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support
>
> I think most of the chat has moved to FB.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 1:59:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support
>
> This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the official
> sites now
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any
>> mail from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past
>> which may have generated bounces or some other issue that could have
>> resulted in getting flagged somehow.
>>
>> I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Chuck McCown]

That’s fine for the girls...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

I think most of the chat has moved to FB.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support


This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the official 
sites now



On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any mail 
from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past which may 
have generated bounces or some other issue that could have resulted in getting 
flagged somehow. 

  I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, Paul.  They have to look to make sure they have responded to the Amazon 
email.  If that was overlooked or went to spam they will not receive traffic.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:40 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any mail 
from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past which may 
have generated bounces or some other issue that could have resulted in getting 
flagged somehow. 

I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Chuck McCown]

It is about as busy as ever.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

Blasphemer


-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/23/2017 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

  This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the official 
sites now



  On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any 
mail from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past which 
may have generated bounces or some other issue that could have resulted in 
getting flagged somehow. 

I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Mike Hammett]

I think most of the chat has moved to FB. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 1:59:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support 


This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the official 
sites now 


On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 



One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any mail 
from it. It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past which may 
have generated bounces or some other issue that could have resulted in getting 
flagged somehow. 


I'm wondering who I should ask about this. Paul McCall? 

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Adam Moffett]

Blasphemer


-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/23/2017 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the 
official sites now



On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive 
any mail from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the 
past which may have generated bounces or some other issue that could 
have resulted in getting flagged somehow.


I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?

Re: [AFMUG] List Tech Support

[Timothy Steele]

This mail list seems dead lately anyway.. might as well go to the official
sites now

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017, 2:40 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> One of my associates is subscribed to this list but doesn't receive any
> mail from it.  It's possible he had some mail server issues in the past
> which may have generated bounces or some other issue that could have
> resulted in getting flagged somehow.
>
> I'm wondering who I should ask about this.  Paul McCall?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul Stewart]

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

Paul



> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
> garbage for sure.
> 
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
> from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
> directly, so here goes.
>  
> Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
> people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
> politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
> that. 
>  
> While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
> very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of 
> my comment.
>  
> People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
> important technology and business needs, IMO. 
>  
> It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
> www.pdmnet.com 
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Perhaps a new listafmug-cheers  :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions
Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 3:02 PM

I have a different perspective on this list 
I've been going to post something along this lines for a while, but since it 
came up today, I guess it's as good of a time as any

Back in the day none of us were quite sure what we were doing.   The need for a 
technical list was great.   We needed to discuss how to use this gear, what the 
new gear could do, etc...   Every day there was a new challenge for many of us, 
which someone else on the list had probably figured out.

Fast forward until now, For most of us, our networks have matured, or been 
sold.  Many of our core members aren't even really WISP's anymore.   For those 
who are still doing day to day operations, most of us have figured out how 
things work for us, and we really don't need discussions about network 
architecture and routing and the like.   Add to that the excellent resources 
that WISPA provides in the form of conferences where people can learn the 
technical skills they need, and technically-oriented mailing lists which they 
host, and this list starts to look a bit redundant from a technical-resource 
standpoint.

What this list has, which none of the others do, is a community of members 
which have grown up together and seen each other grow businesses, sell them, 
get rich, get sued, release products, survive tornadoes and other natural 
disasters, and all of the other things which bring people together.

On all of the other lists, such off-topic discussions as what Travis is 
investing in this week, and what Jaimie is cooking, and what movie Chuck is 
watching, and the awesome ramblings of Steve and so on would be squashed.  Yet 
we're all friends and like to discuss things.  Yes, the politics have gotten a 
bit out of control, but that's just a symptom that politics have gotten a bit 
out of control in this country.   

Personally, I see this list not as a technical resource, but a social resource. 
  Somewhere where we all know each other and a lot of each other's past history 
and drama.  So we talk more about everyday life and less about work?  I don't 
see a problem with this.  Where else is this going to occur?   I realize that 
this doesn't match the original vision for this list, but needs change and 
lists change.   What we need is a place to hang out and have conversations with 
our friends.  Why can't this list be that resource?

-forrest

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:








I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.
 
Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc..  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much
as I used to because of that.  
 
While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.
 
People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important 
technology and business needs, IMO. 

 
It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.
 
Paul
 
 
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800  
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
 
 








-- 
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

This 

Hell I even read it on my phone

I used to laugh at people that did that until I became one of them

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions
Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 2:38 PM

The whole OT tag, IMO, is a joke.  I take 10 seconds glancing at the subject 
lines, read the ones I want to see, and then delete the rest.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
Another perspective:
The additional content drives eyeballs. It shows the list is active. You can't 
make 100% of people happy 100% of the time.

On Mar 1, 2017 2:18 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:







Maybe defining a little better what OT:    ?
 
I use filters all the time.  OT: originally meant (to me)... relevant 
discussions to the business but not necessarily technology.   What someone 
discusses emerging battery technology, or 401Ks for employees, or insurance, 
etc. etc.,
it used to be THAT was OT:
 
Sooo…. Maybe BS: or PRS:  Political, Religious or Social ?    Unless you 
“identify” your PRS content as just OT:  (sorry, couldn’t resist the 
trans-gender “identify” phrase) –  see, I have a sense of humor like the next 
guy.
 
It’s just become like there is just no limit, and if people (not just me) are 
going away from looking at the list, we have lost a LOT of good input from 
folks who are serious about their business, who don’t have time to delete 
threads.
 
Maybe, I just need more coffee 
J
 
Paul
 
 
 
-Original Message-

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:00 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions
 
On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or

> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list

> is most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger

> warnings unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It

> is kinda like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon

> neighbors seeing me parked out front.
> 
 
 
If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they need to 
learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt feelings than 
someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.
 
The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] which makes 
it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for string "[OT]" and not 
worry about the letters o and t in sequence get caught in a normal word.
 
The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists that went 
out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even close to the extreme 
SPAM-L was when it died.
 
~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[George Skorup]

I've stayed out of the political stuff. Just.. no. I have better things 
to do. That's not to say I think those conversations shouldn't take 
place here. It's Chuck's list, so whatever he says. And Paul pays for it 
as he said. I do think that it gets heated and a little nuts with all of 
the posts here sometimes, but whatever.


I was thinking about unsubscribing at one point, like you know, around 
that whole election day a few months back. But as Forrest pointed out, 
there are too many people here with valuable experiences, opinions, etc. 
and some that are not on other lists. I think this is a great place to 
hang out if everyone is reasonable and respectful. Ken and Forrest 
usually post in the most logical terms and I love that. Reading humor 
from others also makes me feel like I'm taking a quick break from 
reality. Rack/enclosure pr0n, etc.


Yeah, I've been around since Bullit and the Part-15.org days. We 
definitely don't need to go back to Michael's iron-fisted way of 
moderating. That's was just stupid. I understood at the time that he 
wanted to keep the vendor-specific stuff on their respective lists. 
Again, as Forrest said, we have evolved, and WISPA has that covered. I 
think it is so freakin cool to see a converged WISPAmerica/Animal Farm 
if only for the fact that those folks, new or old, who may only have 
ever been to WISPA shows will get the AF experience.


In the words of Forrest Gump... that's all I have to say about that.

On 3/1/2017 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have a different perspective on this list

I've been going to post something along this lines for a while, but 
since it came up today, I guess it's as good of a time as any


Back in the day none of us were quite sure what we were doing.   The 
need for a technical list was great.   We needed to discuss how to use 
this gear, what the new gear could do, etc..   Every day there was a 
new challenge for many of us, which someone else on the list had 
probably figured out.


Fast forward until now, For most of us, our networks have matured, or 
been sold.  Many of our core members aren't even really WISP's 
anymore.   For those who are still doing day to day operations, most 
of us have figured out how things work for us, and we really don't 
need discussions about network architecture and routing and the like. 
  Add to that the excellent resources that WISPA provides in the form 
of conferences where people can learn the technical skills they need, 
and technically-oriented mailing lists which they host, and this list 
starts to look a bit redundant from a technical-resource standpoint.


What this list has, which none of the others do, is a community of 
members which have grown up together and seen each other grow 
businesses, sell them, get rich, get sued, release products, survive 
tornadoes and other natural disasters, and all of the other things 
which bring people together.


On all of the other lists, such off-topic discussions as what Travis 
is investing in this week, and what Jaimie is cooking, and what movie 
Chuck is watching, and the awesome ramblings of Steve and so on would 
be squashed.  Yet we're all friends and like to discuss things.  Yes, 
the politics have gotten a bit out of control, but that's just a 
symptom that politics have gotten a bit out of control in this country.


Personally, I see this list not as a technical resource, but a social 
resource.   Somewhere where we all know each other and a lot of each 
other's past history and drama.  So we talk more about everyday life 
and less about work?  I don't see a problem with this.  Where else is 
this going to occur? I realize that this doesn't match the original 
vision for this list, but needs change and lists change.   What we 
need is a place to hang out and have conversations with our friends. 
Why can't this list be that resource?


-forrest

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Paul McCall > wrote:


I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this
with the list directly, so here goes.

/Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get
one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list
because of all the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG
nearly as much as I used to because of that. /



/While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never
complained), AWS is very solid and reliable, so it was a great
choice.  That’s not the point of my comment./



/People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can
focus on important technology and business needs, IMO. /



/It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents./

Paul

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a different perspective on this list

I've been going to post something along this lines for a while, but since
it came up today, I guess it's as good of a time as any

Back in the day none of us were quite sure what we were doing.   The need
for a technical list was great.   We needed to discuss how to use this
gear, what the new gear could do, etc..   Every day there was a new
challenge for many of us, which someone else on the list had probably
figured out.

Fast forward until now, For most of us, our networks have matured, or been
sold.  Many of our core members aren't even really WISP's anymore.   For
those who are still doing day to day operations, most of us have figured
out how things work for us, and we really don't need discussions about
network architecture and routing and the like.   Add to that the excellent
resources that WISPA provides in the form of conferences where people can
learn the technical skills they need, and technically-oriented mailing
lists which they host, and this list starts to look a bit redundant from a
technical-resource standpoint.

What this list has, which none of the others do, is a community of members
which have grown up together and seen each other grow businesses, sell
them, get rich, get sued, release products, survive tornadoes and other
natural disasters, and all of the other things which bring people together.

On all of the other lists, such off-topic discussions as what Travis is
investing in this week, and what Jaimie is cooking, and what movie Chuck is
watching, and the awesome ramblings of Steve and so on would be squashed.
Yet we're all friends and like to discuss things.  Yes, the politics have
gotten a bit out of control, but that's just a symptom that politics have
gotten a bit out of control in this country.

Personally, I see this list not as a technical resource, but a social
resource.   Somewhere where we all know each other and a lot of each
other's past history and drama.  So we talk more about everyday life and
less about work?  I don't see a problem with this.  Where else is this
going to occur?   I realize that this doesn't match the original vision for
this list, but needs change and lists change.   What we need is a place to
hang out and have conversations with our friends.  Why can't this list be
that resource?

-forrest

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
>
>
> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
> because of that.  *
>
>
>
> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
> of my comment.*
>
>
>
> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>
>
>
> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Josh Luthman]

The whole OT tag, IMO, is a joke.  I take 10 seconds glancing at the
subject lines, read the ones I want to see, and then delete the rest.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Another perspective:
>
> The additional content drives eyeballs. It shows the list is active. You
> can't make 100% of people happy 100% of the time.
>
> On Mar 1, 2017 2:18 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
>> Maybe defining a little better what *OT:*?
>>
>>
>>
>> I use filters all the time.  OT: originally meant (to me)... relevant
>> discussions to the business but not necessarily technology.   What someone
>> discusses emerging battery technology, or 401Ks for employees, or
>> insurance, etc. etc., it used to be THAT was OT:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sooo…. Maybe BS: or PRS:  Political, Religious or Social ?Unless you
>> “identify” your PRS content as just OT:  (sorry, couldn’t resist the
>> trans-gender “identify” phrase) –  see, I have a sense of humor like the
>> next guy.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s just become like there is just no limit, and if people (not just me)
>> are going away from looking at the list, we have lost a LOT of good input
>> from folks who are serious about their business, who don’t have time to
>> delete threads.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe, I just need more coffee J
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:00 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
>> related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> > Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>>
>> > change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list
>>
>> > is most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger
>>
>> > warnings unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It
>>
>> > is kinda like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon
>>
>> > neighbors seeing me parked out front.
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they
>> need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt
>> feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] which
>> makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for string "[OT]"
>> and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get caught in a normal
>> word.
>>
>>
>>
>> The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists that
>> went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even close to the
>> extreme SPAM-L was when it died.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Josh Reynolds]

Another perspective:

The additional content drives eyeballs. It shows the list is active. You
can't make 100% of people happy 100% of the time.

On Mar 1, 2017 2:18 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> Maybe defining a little better what *OT:*?
>
>
>
> I use filters all the time.  OT: originally meant (to me)... relevant
> discussions to the business but not necessarily technology.   What someone
> discusses emerging battery technology, or 401Ks for employees, or
> insurance, etc. etc., it used to be THAT was OT:
>
>
>
> Sooo…. Maybe BS: or PRS:  Political, Religious or Social ?Unless you
> “identify” your PRS content as just OT:  (sorry, couldn’t resist the
> trans-gender “identify” phrase) –  see, I have a sense of humor like the
> next guy.
>
>
>
> It’s just become like there is just no limit, and if people (not just me)
> are going away from looking at the list, we have lost a LOT of good input
> from folks who are serious about their business, who don’t have time to
> delete threads.
>
>
>
> Maybe, I just need more coffee J
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
> related discussions
>
>
>
> On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> > Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>
> > change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list
>
> > is most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger
>
> > warnings unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It
>
> > is kinda like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon
>
> > neighbors seeing me parked out front.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they
> need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt
> feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.
>
>
>
> The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] which
> makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for string "[OT]"
> and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get caught in a normal
> word.
>
>
>
> The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists that
> went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even close to the
> extreme SPAM-L was when it died.
>
>
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Chuck McCown]

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

I use rule in the loosest of ways. I think everyone who posts here can self 
police and it's not like we need a moderator to sift thru posts and finger wag 
people who are breaking "the rules". Politics tear people apart, doesn't seem 
to be any different here. 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I don’t like rules and I don’t want to be bothered with more filter strings 
in the subject, but a POL filter would be nice.   Or should that be [POL]?


  From: Ryan Ray 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

  I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like the 
OT stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard and fast 
rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the majority of the 
garbage was from these last few weeks. 

  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at 
Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff 
around..

On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.  
Without him it would have died.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

  I agree, it gets out of hand.  
  Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing 
nature of the list do what nature does.  

  For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
  Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

  Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or 
change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

  Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted 
until Doug got pissed about something.  

  As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

  I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.



  Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or 
two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the 
BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because 
of that.  



  While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS 
is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of 
my comment.



  People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  



  It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.



  Paul





  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Mathew Howard]

I concur. I don't think the occasional political discussion is a bad thing,
but it has certainly gotten a little out of hand at times, and I can see
how it could be driving some people away. Separating politics from the
general OT discussions would probably be a good idea.

Personally, I agree with others that have said the off topic discussions
are one of the best parts of this list. There are a lot of smart people
here and I like hearing their opinions on random topics.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I don’t like rules and I don’t want to be bothered with more filter
> strings in the subject, but a POL filter would be nice.   Or should that be
> [POL]?
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-businessrelated discussions
>
> I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like
> the OT stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard
> and fast rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the
> majority of the garbage was from these last few weeks.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at
>> Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff
>> around..
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
>> Without him it would have died.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
>> non-businessrelated discussions
>>
>> I agree, it gets out of hand.
>> Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
>> nature of the list do what nature does.
>>
>> For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
>> Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.
>>
>> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
>> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
>> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like
>> a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
>> parked out front.
>>
>> Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
>> until Doug got pissed about something.
>>
>> As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
>> related discussions
>>
>>
>> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
>> list directly, so here goes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
>> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
>> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
>> because of that.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
>> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
>> of my comment.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
>> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

Eudora doesn’t have that button.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

People really need to learn how to use the new e-mail button  or right 
click on the destination and click new mail.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 2:12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

Agreed, [OT] would be nice. Also, threaded mail clients like 
Thunderchicken can't tell the difference sometimes when someone clicks 
the reply button on an OT thread. They completely change the subject, 
but the headers are still there. So a non-OT topic will get buried in 
the OT thread. I frequently collapse entire threads and hit the delete 
button. So start a new message is all I'm saying.

On 3/1/2017 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
>> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
>> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda
>> like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors
>> seeing me parked out front.
>>
>
>
> If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they 
> need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt 
> feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.
>
> The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] 
> which makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for 
> string "[OT]" and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get 
> caught in a normal word.
>
> The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists 
> that went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even 
> close to the extreme SPAM-L was when it died.
>
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Mike Hammett]

People really need to learn how to use the new e-mail button or right click 
on the destination and click new mail. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 2:12:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions 

Agreed, [OT] would be nice. Also, threaded mail clients like 
Thunderchicken can't tell the difference sometimes when someone clicks 
the reply button on an OT thread. They completely change the subject, 
but the headers are still there. So a non-OT topic will get buried in 
the OT thread. I frequently collapse entire threads and hit the delete 
button. So start a new message is all I'm saying. 

On 3/1/2017 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 
> On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote: 
>> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or 
>> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out. This list is 
>> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings 
>> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”. It is kinda 
>> like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors 
>> seeing me parked out front. 
>> 
> 
> 
> If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they 
> need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt 
> feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place. 
> 
> The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] 
> which makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for 
> string "[OT]" and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get 
> caught in a normal word. 
> 
> The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists 
> that went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even 
> close to the extreme SPAM-L was when it died. 
> 
> ~Seth 

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Ryan Ray]

I use rule in the loosest of ways. I think everyone who posts here can self
police and it's not like we need a moderator to sift thru posts and finger
wag people who are breaking "the rules". Politics tear people apart,
doesn't seem to be any different here.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I don’t like rules and I don’t want to be bothered with more filter
> strings in the subject, but a POL filter would be nice.   Or should that be
> [POL]?
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-businessrelated discussions
>
> I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like
> the OT stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard
> and fast rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the
> majority of the garbage was from these last few weeks.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at
>> Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff
>> around..
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
>> Without him it would have died.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
>> non-businessrelated discussions
>>
>> I agree, it gets out of hand.
>> Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
>> nature of the list do what nature does.
>>
>> For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
>> Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.
>>
>> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
>> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
>> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like
>> a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
>> parked out front.
>>
>> Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
>> until Doug got pissed about something.
>>
>> As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
>> related discussions
>>
>>
>> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
>> list directly, so here goes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
>> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
>> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
>> because of that.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
>> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
>> of my comment.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
>> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t like rules and I don’t want to be bothered with more filter strings in 
the subject, but a POL filter would be nice.   Or should that be [POL]?


From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like the OT 
stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard and fast 
rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the majority of the 
garbage was from these last few weeks. 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at Animal 
Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff around..

  On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.  
Without him it would have died.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

I agree, it gets out of hand.  
Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing 
nature of the list do what nature does.  

For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change 
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted 
until Doug got pissed about something.  

As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.



Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  



While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.



People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  



It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.



Paul





Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Ryan Ray]

Also I'm super open to throwing money at Paul for the list if he wants.
There's lots of valuable info and people here.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like
> the OT stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard
> and fast rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the
> majority of the garbage was from these last few weeks.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at
>> Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff
>> around..
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
>> Without him it would have died.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
>> non-businessrelated discussions
>>
>> I agree, it gets out of hand.
>> Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
>> nature of the list do what nature does.
>>
>> For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
>> Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.
>>
>> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
>> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
>> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
>> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like
>> a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
>> parked out front.
>>
>> Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
>> until Doug got pissed about something.
>>
>> As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
>> related discussions
>>
>>
>> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
>> list directly, so here goes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
>> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
>> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
>> because of that.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
>> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
>> of my comment.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
>> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>>
>>
>>
>> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Ryan Ray]

I've been a quiet member of this list for almost 10 years now and I like
the OT stuff, except for the trump/politics. Would anyone be up for a hard
and fast rule of no trump / politics talk? That seems to be where the
majority of the garbage was from these last few weeks.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at
> Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff
> around..
>
> On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
> Without him it would have died.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-businessrelated discussions
>
> I agree, it gets out of hand.
> Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
> nature of the list do what nature does.
>
> For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
> Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.
>
> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like
> a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
> parked out front.
>
> Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
> until Doug got pissed about something.
>
> As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
> related discussions
>
>
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
>
>
> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
> because of that.  *
>
>
>
> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
> of my comment.*
>
>
>
> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>
>
>
> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Chuck McCown]

Let us all give thanks...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at Animal 
Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff around..

On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.  Without 
him it would have died.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

  I agree, it gets out of hand.  
  Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing nature 
of the list do what nature does.  

  For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
  Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

  Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change 
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

  Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted until 
Doug got pissed about something.  

  As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions

  I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.



  Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  



  While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.



  People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  



  It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.



  Paul





  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

Maybe defining a little better what OT:?



I use filters all the time.  OT: originally meant (to me)... relevant 
discussions to the business but not necessarily technology.   What someone 
discusses emerging battery technology, or 401Ks for employees, or insurance, 
etc. etc., it used to be THAT was OT:



Sooo…. Maybe BS: or PRS:  Political, Religious or Social ?Unless you 
“identify” your PRS content as just OT:  (sorry, couldn’t resist the 
trans-gender “identify” phrase) –  see, I have a sense of humor like the next 
guy.



It’s just become like there is just no limit, and if people (not just me) are 
going away from looking at the list, we have lost a LOT of good input from 
folks who are serious about their business, who don’t have time to delete 
threads.



Maybe, I just need more coffee ☺



Paul







-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions



On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:

> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or

> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list

> is most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger

> warnings unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It

> is kinda like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon

> neighbors seeing me parked out front.

>





If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they need to 
learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt feelings than 
someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.



The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] which makes 
it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for string "[OT]" and not 
worry about the letters o and t in sequence get caught in a normal word.



The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists that went 
out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even close to the extreme 
SPAM-L was when it died.



~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

I  am giving up Trump posts for LentI am thinking of showing up at
Animal Farm Promise no weapons on my person ...Just have to move stuff
around..

On Mar 1, 2017 12:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
Without him it would have died.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
non-businessrelated discussions

I agree, it gets out of hand.
Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
nature of the list do what nature does.

For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless
you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a
friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
parked out front.

Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
until Doug got pissed about something.

As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.



*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
related discussions


I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
list directly, so here goes.



*Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
because of that.  *



*While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
of my comment.*



*People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
important technology and business needs, IMO.  *



*It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*



Paul





Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Bill Prince]

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.
bp 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:
 

 I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.
What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes. Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with 
WISPs,  I get one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list 
because of all the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as 
I used to because of that.   While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have 
never complained), AWS is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  
That’s not the point of my comment. People need to take that junk to some other 
venue, so we can focus on important technology and business needs, IMO.  It 
probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents. Paul  Paul McCall, PresidentPDMNet, 
Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.658 Old Dixie HighwayVero Beach, FL 
32962772-564-6800  pa...@pdmnet.netwww.pdmnet.comwww.floridabroadband.com  



   

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[George Skorup]

Agreed, [OT] would be nice. Also, threaded mail clients like 
Thunderchicken can't tell the difference sometimes when someone clicks 
the reply button on an OT thread. They completely change the subject, 
but the headers are still there. So a non-OT topic will get buried in 
the OT thread. I frequently collapse entire threads and hit the delete 
button. So start a new message is all I'm saying.


On 3/1/2017 1:59 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda
like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors
seeing me parked out front.




If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they 
need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt 
feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.


The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] 
which makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for 
string "[OT]" and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get 
caught in a normal word.


The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists 
that went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even 
close to the extreme SPAM-L was when it died.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Josh Luthman]

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been
utter garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
>
>
> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
> because of that.  *
>
>
>
> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
> of my comment.*
>
>
>
> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>
>
>
> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/1/17 11:37, Chuck McCown wrote:

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda
like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors
seeing me parked out front.




If someone has a problem with the off topic stuff marked OT, then they 
need to learn how to filter it out in their mail client, not get hurt 
feelings than someone isn't protecting them with a safe place.


The only change I would suggest is to always mark off topic as [OT] 
which makes it stupid easy to create a subject filter looking for string 
"[OT]" and not worry about the letters o and t in sequence get caught in 
a normal word.


The social aspect of this list is the best part. I've been on lists that 
went out of control like the old SPAM-L, and AFMUG is not even close to 
the extreme SPAM-L was when it died.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Chuck McCown]

I always find it restores some of my faith in humanity when a few people get 
into a hammer and tongs death match but are back the next day sharing recipes.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

Agreed, I do appreciate Paul keeping this thing going. 

I do have to say, however, that the OT discussions are one of my favorite 
things about this list.  If people want to stay on topic they could either 
filter the emails or just use the WISPA list.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.  Without 
him it would have died.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

  I agree, it gets out of hand.  
  Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing nature 
of the list do what nature does.  

  For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
  Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

  Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change 
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

  Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted until 
Doug got pissed about something.  

  As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions

  I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.



  Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  



  While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.



  People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  



  It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.



  Paul





  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Jason McKemie]

Agreed, I do appreciate Paul keeping this thing going.

I do have to say, however, that the OT discussions are one of my favorite
things about this list.  If people want to stay on topic they could either
filter the emails or just use the WISPA list.

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.
> Without him it would have died.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-businessrelated discussions
>
> I agree, it gets out of hand.
> Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing
> nature of the list do what nature does.
>
> For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.
> Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.
>
> Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or
> change other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is
> most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings
> unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like
> a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me
> parked out front.
>
> Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted
> until Doug got pissed about something.
>
> As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business
> related discussions
>
>
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
>
>
> *Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or
> two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all
> the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to
> because of that.  *
>
>
>
> *While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS
> is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point
> of my comment.*
>
>
>
> *People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on
> important technology and business needs, IMO.  *
>
>
>
> *It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.*
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Bill Prince]

Go for it guys. That's what I thought the "OT:" prefix is for. If it's too 
much, or eating your time, filter the "OT:" stuff to begin with. Then when you 
want to pop a brewsky and yuck it up, go to your OT: folder to see what's up.
-bp 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 11:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 

  I agree, 
it gets out of hand.  Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the 
self policing nature of the list do what nature does.   For many of us, this 
list is as close to social media we want to go.  Many of us have been on here 
since it was part-15.  15 years or so.   Personally I don’t have any desire for 
the list to grow or shrink or change other than to remain a place where we can 
hang out.  This list is most certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see 
trigger warnings unless you see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It 
is kinda like a friendly bar that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors 
seeing me parked out front.   Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical 
list daddy.  That lasted until Doug got pissed about something.   As always ALL 
opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.     From: Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, 
March 01, 2017 12:25 PMTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and 
verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions I shared this with 
Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list directly, so here 
goes.   Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or 
two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the 
BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because 
of that.     While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never 
complained), AWS is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s 
not the point of my comment.   People need to take that junk to some other 
venue, so we can focus on important technology and business needs, IMO.     It 
probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.   Paul     Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 
32962 772-564-6800   pa...@pdmnet.net www.pdmnet.com www.floridabroadband.com   
  

   

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-businessrelated discussions

[Chuck McCown]

And I do have to say thank you to Paul for keeping this thing alive.  Without 
him it would have died.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-businessrelated discussions

I agree, it gets out of hand.  
Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing nature 
of the list do what nature does.  

For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change 
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted until 
Doug got pissed about something.  

As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

 

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important 
technology and business needs, IMO.  

 

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

I agree, it gets out of hand.  
Sometimes I say something but most of the time I let the self policing nature 
of the list do what nature does.  

For many of us, this list is as close to social media we want to go.  
Many of us have been on here since it was part-15.  15 years or so.  

Personally I don’t have any desire for the list to grow or shrink or change 
other than to remain a place where we can hang out.  This list is most 
certainly not a “safe place” and you will not see trigger warnings unless you 
see the occasional literal “trigger warning”.  It is kinda like a friendly bar 
that I can hang out in without my Mormon neighbors seeing me parked out front.  

Once upon a time Doug Clark was a semi offical list daddy.  That lasted until 
Doug got pissed about something.  

As always ALL opinions will be more-or-less welcomed.  



From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related 
discussions

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

 

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important 
technology and business needs, IMO.  

 

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[Josh Reynolds]

My mail server is google.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> I think this happened before to someone and it was their mail server not
> deleting the first copy after it was received.  I'm not having any problems
> myself.  Did you subscribe twice or anything by chance?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>>
>> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February 12,
>> 2016 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates
>> Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?
>>
>> Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
>> sent/receive times.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[Josh Luthman]

I think this happened before to someone and it was their mail server not
deleting the first copy after it was received.  I'm not having any problems
myself.  Did you subscribe twice or anything by chance?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>
> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February 12,
> 2016 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates
> Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?
>
> Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
> sent/receive times.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[Josh Luthman]

Using the web interface or something else?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> My mail server is google.
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > I think this happened before to someone and it was their mail server not
> > deleting the first copy after it was received.  I'm not having any
> problems
> > myself.  Did you subscribe twice or anything by chance?
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
> >>
> >> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February
> 12,
> >> 2016 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates
> >> Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?
> >>
> >> Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
> >> sent/receive times.
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[Ken Hohhof]

Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.

Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:55 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates 


Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?

Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
sent/receive times.

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

if you just signed up with a new email or somethign you need to go to your
list settings and change it

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Using the web interface or something else?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> My mail server is google.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > I think this happened before to someone and it was their mail server not
>> > deleting the first copy after it was received.  I'm not having any
>> problems
>> > myself.  Did you subscribe twice or anything by chance?
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>> >>
>> >> Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February
>> 12,
>> >> 2016 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates
>> >> Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?
>> >>
>> >> Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
>> >> sent/receive times.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

[chuck]

I get duplicates, gmail.  Just some gmail artifact.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List email duplicates

My mail server is google.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

I think this happened before to someone and it was their mail server not
deleting the first copy after it was received.  I'm not having any 
problems

myself.  Did you subscribe twice or anything by chance?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.

Nope, just one copy, no duplicates.


-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, February 12,
2016 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List email duplicates
Is anybody else getting duplicate mailings from/to the list?

Every list email I get comes in pairs, with the same header info and
sent/receive times.

Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads

[David]

That is to make it customer friendly :)
u know just plug and play and stop calling tech support asking where the 
power button is :)



On 08/19/2015 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all 
your pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had 
customer trained to the point where they understood the need for 
securing your wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes


On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:



http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net*

*www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*

**

*/“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first,
the lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law/**//*




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] list of IP addresses to block Windows 10 uploads

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I like this wifi sense that shares your wireless password with all your
pals, thats defaultly turned on. The ISP industry almost had customer
trained to the point where they understood the need for securing your
wireless, then microsoft says here, have some herpes

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:


 http://cyberwarzone.com/block-these-ips-to-stop-microsoft-from-snooping-on-your-windows-10-device/







 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

 *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 602-426-0542*

 *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net*

 *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/*



 *“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the
 lesson afterwards.” – Vern Law*






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] List test

[Josh Luthman]

Worked

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 16, 2015 7:59 PM, Andreas Wiatowski andr...@silowireless.com
wrote:

  Testing the list



 Cheers,



 Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

 Silo Wireless Inc.

 1-866-727-4138 x-600

 Web: www.silowireless.com

 Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless

 Twitter: @silowireless

Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Paul McCall]

Josh !

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue


Your...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 8:52 PM, Paul McCall 
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Bill… His issue was much more simple.

He just had never replied to the Amazon verification…   the easiest way to get 
back “flowing” is the un-sub and re-sub…. Which he did

Of course, you’re email headers were being mangled which is very different

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 list)... 
so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and proclaimed that 
our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT they 
would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.� If that;s true, 
you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.�
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Mine seems normal.
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat


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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Bill Prince]

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 
list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and 
proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.


My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT 
they would not go out.


Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.  If that;s 
true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they 
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my 
queue.


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming 
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation 
question.



vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat





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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Paul McCall]

Bill... His issue was much more simple.

He just had never replied to the Amazon verification...   the easiest way to 
get back flowing is the un-sub and re-sub Which he did

Of course, you're email headers were being mangled which is very different

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 list)... 
so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and proclaimed that 
our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT they 
would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.� If that;s true, 
you need a DMARC-compliant email server.



bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.�
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Mine seems normal.
�
From: Vlad Sedovmailto:v...@atlasok.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat



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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Jaime Solorza]

I hear you loud and clear

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

  Unsubbed and re-subbed.

 Testing.

 vlad


 On 1/12/2015 5:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.� If I
 forget and post from my main email address, that�s what happens, it
 silently disappears.� Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client
 automatically uses the correct From address.
 �
 So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are sending
 from is the one you are subscribed with on the list.
 �
  �
  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] List issue
  �
   I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.�
  �
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  �
  Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they
 just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
  �
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  �
  hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back
 to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


 vlad

 On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Mine seems normal.
  �
  *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
 *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  �
  is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


 http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat




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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Josh Luthman]

Your...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 12, 2015 8:52 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Bill… His issue was much more simple.



 He just had never replied to the Amazon verification…   the easiest way to
 get back “flowing” is the un-sub and re-sub…. Which he did



 Of course, you’re email headers were being mangled which is very different



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 8:41 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List issue



 The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15
 list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and
 proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

 My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT
 they would not go out.

 Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

 So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.� If that;s
 true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


  bp

 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com



 On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.�

 �

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM

 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 �

 Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just
 disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?

 �

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM

 *To:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 �

 hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to
 me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question.


 vlad

 On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

   Mine seems normal.

 �

 *From:* Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com

 *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM

 *To:* ch...@wbmfg.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

 �

 is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


 Vlad

 On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


 http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat



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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Bill Prince]

We don't host our own email servers; never have.

The company that provides our email mangles the from address to some 
generic email address, or alias within their email system. Like this:


   Jan 4 22:10:27 ip-x-x-x-x postfix/qmgr[2576]: DBC50A0A90:
   
*from=SRS0=fEDV.t=BX=skylinebroadbandservice.com=part...@yourhostingaccount.com
   
mailto:SRS0=fEDV.t=BX=skylinebroadbandservice.com=part...@yourhostingaccount.com*,


We've asked several times for them to correct it, but they never have.  
It's never been an issue, until Amazon SES came along.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 7:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I don�t follow what you mean by DMARC-compliant.  I thought DMARC was 
a way for a domain owner to specify what to do if an email purporting 
to be from that domain fails DKIM or SPF checks.  Were you sending 
from your own domain, and if so, what DMARC policy is specified in 
your DNS records?  Or were you sending from a major email provider 
like Yahoo or AOL that had started publishing a DMARC policy of 
reject?  I think I saw that was causing a problem with some lists.
I send from my own domain through my own domain server, and have done 
nothing about DMARC, yet I have no problems. If there is something you 
must do to make your mailserver �DMARC compliant�, I doubt I have done it.
If you were sending through your own mailserver from a Yahoo or AOL 
address, yes that would cause a problem.

*From:* Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 7:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List issue
The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 
list)... so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and 
proclaimed that our email server was not DMARC-compliant.


My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT 
they would not go out.


Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.� If 
that;s true, you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.�
�
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they 
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my 
queue.


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
�
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming 
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation 
question.



vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
�
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Ken Hohhof]

I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.  If I forget 
and post from my main email address, that’s what happens, it silently 
disappears.  Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client automatically 
uses the correct From address.

So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are sending from 
is the one you are subscribed with on the list.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov 
Subject: [AFMUG] List issue

I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.  

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?

  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

  hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to me 
via list. I was responding about your russian translation question. 


  vlad

  On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.

From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?

is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat





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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t follow what you mean by DMARC-compliant.  I thought DMARC was a way for 
a domain owner to specify what to do if an email purporting to be from that 
domain fails DKIM or SPF checks.  Were you sending from your own domain, and if 
so, what DMARC policy is specified in your DNS records?  Or were you sending 
from a major email provider like Yahoo or AOL that had started publishing a 
DMARC policy of reject?  I think I saw that was causing a problem with some 
lists.

I send from my own domain through my own domain server, and have done nothing 
about DMARC, yet I have no problems.  If there is something you must do to make 
your mailserver “DMARC compliant”, I doubt I have done it.

If you were sending through your own mailserver from a Yahoo or AOL address, 
yes that would cause a problem.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List issue

The email addy I was using before (since the AF list was the part-15 list)... 
so many years worked fine until Amazon SES got in the way and proclaimed that 
our email server was not DMARC-compliant.

My posts to the list would go IN (they show up in the AF archive), BUT they 
would not go out.

Sounds exactly like the problem you're having.

So check the AF archive and see if your emails are going in.� If that;s true, 
you need a DMARC-compliant email server.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 1/12/2015 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I will post this to the list.� Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.� 
  �
  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  �
  Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they just 
disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my queue.

  Vlad

  On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
�
From: Vlad Sedov 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
�
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming back to 
me via list. I was responding about your russian translation question. 


vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Mine seems normal.
  �
  From: Vlad Sedov 
  Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
  To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
  �
  is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


  Vlad

  On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/russian-physicist-claims-to-have-replicated-rossi%e2%80%99s-hot-ecat




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Re: [AFMUG] List issue

[Vlad Sedov]

Unsubbed and re-subbed.

Testing.

vlad


On 1/12/2015 5:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I resubscribed to the afmug list with a dedicated email address.  If I 
forget and post from my main email address, that�s what happens, it 
silently disappears.  Of course, if I reply to a post, my email client 
automatically uses the correct From address.
So first thing I would check is whether the email address you are 
sending from is the one you are subscribed with on the list.

*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 5:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; Vlad Sedov 
mailto:v...@atlasok.com

*Subject:* [AFMUG] List issue
I will post this to the list.  Perhaps someone can suggest a fix.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 4:04 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
Yes, back in December. I receive list messages, but when I send, they 
just disappear.. I don't get an error back, and they don't stay in my 
queue.


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Did you do the amazon thing to confirm list membership?
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:32 PM
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
hm.. your mail server accepted my messages but they're not coming 
back to me via list. I was responding about your russian translation 
question.



vlad

On 1/12/2015 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Mine seems normal.
*From:* Vlad Sedov mailto:v...@atlasok.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 3:28 PM
*To:* ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT anyone read Russian?
is it just me, or is the list being laggy?


Vlad

On 1/12/2015 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] List updates

[Dennis Burgess via Af]

Tuesdays are best J

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net  - 314-735-0270 -
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates

 

Rule 1: Don't change anything major on Friday, unless you like working
Saturday.  And Sunday.

Rule 2: Don't change anything major on Monday.  It's Monday.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] List updates

 

Guys,

 

We had a glitch switching over to normal headers with Amazon.  We are
putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon.

 

We will provide updates as we work through it.

 

Thank you for your patience

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ 

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] List updates

[Paul McCall via Af]

Where's the fun in that Shayne?

It's not like we are doing a major tower upgrade today and tomorrow also.   Oh, 
yeah, we are doing that too :)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates

Rule 1: Don't change anything major on Friday, unless you like working 
Saturday.  And Sunday.
Rule 2: Don't change anything major on Monday.  It's Monday.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] List updates

Guys,

We had a glitch switching over to normal headers with Amazon.  We are putting 
it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon.

We will provide updates as we work through it.

Thank you for your patience

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] List updates

[Shayne Lebrun via Af]

Rule 1: Don't change anything major on Friday, unless you like working
Saturday.  And Sunday.

Rule 2: Don't change anything major on Monday.  It's Monday.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] List updates

 

Guys,

 

We had a glitch switching over to normal headers with Amazon.  We are
putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon.

 

We will provide updates as we work through it.

 

Thank you for your patience

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ 

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] List updates

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Ah, yes... it's important to change your server's oil regularly.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates

I had one customer puzzled by the concept that we did “maintenance” on 
mailservers.  You mean like changing the oil?  Do you do it every year at the 
same time?


From: Dennis Burgess via Afmailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates

Tuesdays are best :)

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun via Af
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates

Rule 1: Don’t change anything major on Friday, unless you like working 
Saturday.  And Sunday.
Rule 2: Don’t change anything major on Monday.  It’s Monday.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] List updates

Guys,

We had a glitch switching over to “normal headers” with Amazon.  We are putting 
it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon.

We will provide updates as we work through it.

Thank you for your patience

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net