Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/21/18 9:00 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Huh. But amazon is such a reliable platform.


On Mar 18, 2018, at 14:00, Seth Mattinen  wrote:


On 3/15/18 6:32 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be Russians 
or Aliens.


Nothing I'm sending has been showing up that I can tell.



I think this is all being handled by carrier pigeons now.

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Steve Jones]

awwe snap, its a mutiny

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Huh. But amazon is such a reliable platform.
>
> > On Mar 18, 2018, at 14:00, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/15/18 6:32 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >> I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be
> Russians or Aliens.
> >
> > Nothing I'm sending has been showing up that I can tell.
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Robert]

Need that email rooter rooter thingy...

On 3/18/18 9:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The list has been slow lately.



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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
*To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:32:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing

I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be 
Russians or Aliens.


Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall <just...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:just...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:


testing

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Matt Hoppes]

Huh. But amazon is such a reliable platform. 

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 14:00, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/15/18 6:32 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be 
>> Russians or Aliens.
> 
> Nothing I'm sending has been showing up that I can tell.

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/15/18 6:32 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be 
Russians or Aliens.


Nothing I'm sending has been showing up that I can tell.

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Fail 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] testing
Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 4:17 PM

I've seen both your emails from yesterday and responded to one of them. 

On Mar 15, 2018 8:32 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:I 
posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be Russians 
or Aliens.

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall  wrote:








testing

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Mike Hammett]

The list has been slow lately. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:32:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing 


I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days. Must be Russians 
or Aliens. 


Jaime Solorza 


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall < just...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





testing 

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Darin Steffl]

I've seen both your emails from yesterday and responded to one of them.

On Mar 15, 2018 8:32 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be
> Russians or Aliens.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall  wrote:
>
>> testing
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Colin Stanners]

Got it

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 5:21 AM, Justin Marshall  wrote:

> testing
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Jaime Solorza]

I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be
Russians or Aliens.

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall  wrote:

> testing
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Dennis Burgess]

Yep, just making sure I get the e-mail here. ☺

Dennis Burgess
www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing

Works
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 2:11 PM, "Dennis Burgess" 
<dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Testing outbound.

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Jaime Solorza]

Works

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 2:11 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

> Testing outbound.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Mike Hammett]

IgniteNet's parent company is Accton, which owns SMC, EdgeCore and some others 
I haven't heard of. http://www.accton.com/acctongroup.asp 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:21:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 




Where did they make their fortune? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


IgniteNet's parent's market cap is probably larger than all vendor aspects of 
the entire WISP industry, maybe even operators too. (market cap of $42.14B) 

Restricting to Ignitenet, I'm sure that's the case. That or are better at 
spotting good ideas. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:09:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 




AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't have an 
aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it). 

Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are as good 
at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago. What's different now? 
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long way 
towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon. 

I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though. I think tying 
themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be interesting to see 
what they do with a software defined radio. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Timothy Steele" < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 




I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P 
Cambium 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ssshhh..children sleeping 





Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 


Just overly quiet. 

Jerry Head wrote: 




Yep. 

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 


Is this thing on? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Chuck McCown]

Where did they make their fortune?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

IgniteNet's parent's market cap is probably larger than all vendor aspects of 
the entire WISP industry, maybe even operators too. (market cap of $42.14B)

Restricting to Ignitenet, I'm sure that's the case. That or are better at 
spotting good ideas. ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:09:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing


I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

  AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't have 
an aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it).

  Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are as 
good at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing


  AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago.  What's different now?
  Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long way 
towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon.

  I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though.  I think 
tying themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be interesting 
to see what they do with a software defined radio.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P 
Cambium



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  ssshhh..children sleeping

  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

  Yep.

  On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?




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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Stefan Englhardt]

The market situaition is much better now since these two entered the market. 
Esp. the 60GHz stuff is a very valuable option connecting small cells 
without eating 5GHz. UBNT AC needed a long time but starts to be the 5GHz 
PTMP Champ now. This filtering stuff together with horns and sync helps a 
lot increasing tower capacity. 450 is better on the radio side but pricing 
...



On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:09:08 +
 "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new 
platform doesn't have an aggregate throughput penalty (or 
at least minimizes it).


Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, 
but neither are as good at accepting feedback and 
actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago.  What's 
different now?
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and 
that goes a long way towards not going to R.I.P. any time 
soon.


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product 
though.  I think tying themselves to a WiFi chipset holds 
them back and it will be interesting to see what they do 
with a software defined radio.



-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has 
working sync R.I.P Cambium



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

ssshhh..children sleeping

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?



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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Mike Hammett]

Sorry, that was in TWD, not USD. In USD, they're about $1.4B. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:15:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


IgniteNet's parent's market cap is probably larger than all vendor aspects of 
the entire WISP industry, maybe even operators too. (market cap of $42.14B) 

Restricting to Ignitenet, I'm sure that's the case. That or are better at 
spotting good ideas. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:09:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 





AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't have an 
aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it). 

Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are as good 
at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago. What's different now? 
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long way 
towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon. 


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though. I think tying 
themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be interesting to see 
what they do with a software defined radio. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Timothy Steele" < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 





I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P 
Cambium 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ssshhh..children sleeping 





Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 


Just overly quiet. 

Jerry Head wrote: 




Yep. 

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 


Is this thing on? 




--- 
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. 
http://www.avg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Mike Hammett]

IgniteNet's parent's market cap is probably larger than all vendor aspects of 
the entire WISP industry, maybe even operators too. (market cap of $42.14B) 

Restricting to Ignitenet, I'm sure that's the case. That or are better at 
spotting good ideas. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:09:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 





AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't have an 
aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it). 

Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are as good 
at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago. What's different now? 
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long way 
towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon. 


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though. I think tying 
themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be interesting to see 
what they do with a software defined radio. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Timothy Steele" < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 





I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P 
Cambium 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ssshhh..children sleeping 





Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 


Just overly quiet. 

Jerry Head wrote: 




Yep. 

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 


Is this thing on? 




--- 
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. 
http://www.avg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Adam Moffett]

I'd bet Mimosa and IgniteNet are smaller and hungrier.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 4:06:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't 
have an aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it).


Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are 
as good at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and 
IgniteNet.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago.  What's different now?
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long 
way towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon.


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though.  I 
think tying themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be 
interesting to see what they do with a software defined radio.



-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync 
R.I.P Cambium



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

ssshhh..children sleeping

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Mike Hammett]

AirSync wasted too much throughput. Supposedly the new platform doesn't have an 
aggregate throughput penalty (or at least minimizes it). 

Cambium generally has been more receptive to feedback, but neither are as good 
at accepting feedback and actually acting on it as Mimosa and IgniteNet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:03:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 


AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago. What's different now? 
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long way 
towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon. 


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though. I think tying 
themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be interesting to see 
what they do with a software defined radio. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Timothy Steele" < timothy.pct...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 





I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P 
Cambium 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ssshhh..children sleeping 





Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 


Just overly quiet. 

Jerry Head wrote: 




Yep. 

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: 


Is this thing on? 




--- 
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. 
http://www.avg.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Adam Moffett]

AirSync was a thing at least 5 years ago.  What's different now?
Cambium has a consistent track record of quality, and that goes a long 
way towards not going to R.I.P. any time soon.


I am honestly interested in Ubiquiti's future LTU product though.  I 
think tying themselves to a WiFi chipset holds them back and it will be 
interesting to see what they do with a software defined radio.



-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/19/2017 3:55:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync 
R.I.P Cambium



On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

ssshhh..children sleeping

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?



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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Timothy Steele]

I'll get the conversations going again.. UBNT now has working sync R.I.P
Cambium

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> ssshhh..children sleeping
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> Just overly quiet.
>>
>> Jerry Head wrote:
>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>> On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
 Is this thing on?

>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Jaime Solorza]

ssshhh..children sleeping

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Just overly quiet.
>
> Jerry Head wrote:
>
>> Yep.
>>
>> On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> Is this thing on?
>>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> http://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Jay Weekley]

Just overly quiet.

Jerry Head wrote:

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?



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Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Jerry Head]

Yep.

On 6/19/2017 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Testing

[Mathew Howard]

No

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Is this thing on?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Jaime Solorza]

not yet

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Oh. Got massaging seats in your work vehicle?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/28/2016 10:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> yes...I am somebody nowgetting massages...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Appears to be working in CA.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Is this thing on?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Bill Prince]

Oh. Got massaging seats in your work vehicle?

bp


On 3/28/2016 10:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

yes...I am somebody nowgetting massages...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Appears to be working in CA.

bp


On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Jaime Solorza]

yes...I am somebody nowgetting massages...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Appears to be working in CA.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/28/2016 8:47 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> Is this thing on?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Ken Hohhof]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(The_Addams_Family)

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 11:03 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3 


Nope. ;)

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Mathew Howard]

I object.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Nope. ;)
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Is this thing on?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Josh Reynolds]

Nope. ;)

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Is this thing on?

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Josh Luthman]

Uhm, tomorrow?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 28, 2016 11:49 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Bueno...probando.
> On Mar 28, 2016 9:48 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> What?!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 28, 2016 11:47 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this thing on?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Jaime Solorza]

Bueno...probando.
On Mar 28, 2016 9:48 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> What?!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 28, 2016 11:47 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Is this thing on?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 1 2 3

[Josh Luthman]

What?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 28, 2016 11:47 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Is this thing on?
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing this out

[David Milholen]

ok,
 looks good

On 3/27/2016 10:50 AM, David Milholen wrote:


--


--

Re: [AFMUG] testing this out

[David Milholen]

ok looks good


On 3/27/2016 10:50 AM, David Milholen wrote:


--


--

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul Stewart]

I am always missing some portion of the messages from this mailing list - I
don't consider Amazon to be super reliable specifically for email delivery .
definitely not.

 

I belong to a few dozen mailing lists and AFMUG is the only one where I see
this.

 

Just my two cents worth . 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

 

Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your
mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to
submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns,
has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very
small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt
anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to
your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to
AWS to get off the suppression list.

Paul



  _  

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince
[part15...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

You have an anti-AWS virus.




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com
<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>  ? Having problems with the list!

 

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Luthman]

I have no issues with any mailing lists except for situation like NANOG a
while back that got slammed with spam.  The same situation happened to
Amazon and it handled it just fine =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> I am always missing some portion of the messages from this mailing list –
> I don’t consider Amazon to be super reliable specifically for email
> delivery … definitely not…
>
>
>
> I belong to a few dozen mailing lists and AFMUG is the only one where I
> see this.
>
>
>
> Just my two cents worth …
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't
> missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.
>
> However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your
> mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to
> submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.
>
> I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related
> concerns, has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for
> a very small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't
> hurt anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of
> mail to your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through
> submitting to AWS to get off the suppression list.
>
> Paul
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince [
> part15...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
> You have an anti-AWS virus.
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul McCall]

It’s hard to know every situation.  My gmail account for list testing doesn’t 
do anything odd on the few times that I have used it.

Josh,  I would have to trace every step being made to know what, when and how 
this or that happened.  Obviously, Mailman (not related to AWS) thought you 
were still subscribed if you received an email.  And, the unsubscribe thing was 
probably tied to when you, in your words… unsubscribed.  Can I explain the 
timing on WHEN you received the email…No.

Usually though, when we have tracked these situations fully for people, it’s 
pretty predictable or definable on what happened when.  Enough so, that when 
someone asks about a problem, the first thing we check is the AWS suppression 
list.  It doesn’t happen, but goes in waves if you will.

Just like AFMUG email in general goes through mini-seasons when some firewall, 
spam systems suddenly detect it as spam, and someone has to complain that those 
emails are not spam, and then they run fine for a long while.  For example, we 
use Postlayer and every few months or so, “some” of the AFMUG email will go to 
Quarantine and we have to gripe.

Some of this is just part of the deal.
Best practices would be to email us when you first have a problem before you 
start unsubscribing and re-subscribing, because that is NOT the primary fix, 
and potentially compromises the troubleshooting workflow.  Its like a customer 
unplugging all the wires to their router before they call you for support.

Paul




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

I just don't really see google gmail having delivery problems, I've never 
missed a single email ever sent to me by a person (that I can recall) is there 
a chance that maybe aws is using some IP's blacklisted by google occasionally 
and that's causing this issue??

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Josh Reynolds < > wrote:

Also, I now see this:
On Nov 30, 2015 1:06 PM, "Josh Baird" 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.

On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I'm going to counter this with my experiences...

I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?

Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.

Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send mail, 
I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.

Using google mail.
On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your mail 
server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to submit to 
have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, has 
been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very small 
number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt anything.  
Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to your server 
for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to AWS to get off 
the suppression list.

Paul


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] on behalf of Bill 
Prince [part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
You have an anti-AWS virus.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

If you see this can you reply here and cc 
t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> ? Having problems with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Baird]

Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm going to counter this with my experiences...
> 
> I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?
> 
> Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.
> 
> Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send 
> mail, I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.
> 
> Using google mail.
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
>> missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.
>> 
>> However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your 
>> mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to 
>> submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.
>> 
>> I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, 
>> has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very 
>> small number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt 
>> anything.  Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to 
>> your server for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to 
>> AWS to get off the suppression list.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince 
>> [part15...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
>> 
>> You have an anti-AWS virus.
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>>> On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems 
>>> with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Chuck McCown]

But the list doesn’t see it, only you.  I think it is a gmail artifact.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

Double email (when you send) seems to be normal for whatever reason.


On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:


  I'm going to counter this with my experiences...

  I could receive list mail, but I wasn't subscribed. How?

  Requested removal again, this time I stopped getting mail.

  Requested list again, authorized the list and amazonses. Now when I send 
mail, I see it hit twice... Once from "afmug", once from amazonses.

  Using google mail.

  On Nov 30, 2015 12:58 PM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

Guys,

I need to jump in here.  There is nothing going on with the list... hasn't 
missed a beat in about 6 months.  AWS has been rock-solid for us.

However, if you have any delivery problems (AWS not able to talk to your 
mail server) you WILL get put on the AWS suppression list, and we have to 
submit to have you removed from that list, which happens very quickly.

I know that one of the suggested fixes for any AFMUG mail related concerns, 
has been to unsubscribe, then resubscribe, that is only a fix for a very small 
number of cases.   You are welcome to try that as it doesn't hurt anything.  
Again though, if your problems related to non-delivery of mail to your server 
for any reason, that problem is only fixed through submitting to AWS to get off 
the suppression list.

Paul






From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Bill Prince 
[part15...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123


You have an anti-AWS virus.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 11/30/2015 9:59 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

  If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having 
problems with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Chuck McCown]

yes

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Testing 123

If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems 
with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Reynolds]

I can see this...

WTF is going on with the list lately?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Luthman]

Well since it's working just fine for me and probably a bunch of
others...probably your server...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I can see this...
>
> WTF is going on with the list lately?
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> > If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having
> problems
> > with the list!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh, you mean google? :)

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Well since it's working just fine for me and probably a bunch of
> others...probably your server...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> I can see this...
>>
>> WTF is going on with the list lately?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:59 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> > If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having
>> > problems
>> > with the list!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Jaime Solorza]

no

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> yes
>
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 10:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Testing 123
>
>
> If you see this can you reply here and cc t...@voltbb.com ? Having problems
> with the list!
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

Maybe these? I know you said you weren't concerned about speeds, but I think 
both programs have additional reporting information available. 

https://code.google.com/p/namebench/ 
https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:27:48 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Baird]

For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
though.

Josh

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for
 comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be
 a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure
 we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Robbie Wright]

x2 for namebench.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband http://siuslawbroadband.com
541-902-5101

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 I think he means the closer CDNs as opposed to the ones located in
 Timbuktu.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

I think he means the closer CDNs as opposed to the ones located in Timbuktu.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for
 comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be
 a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure
 we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[That One Guy]

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for
 comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be
 a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure
 we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

  I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though.

  Josh

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

I assumed he meant DNS cache. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software 
updates, I’m not sure about that. 





From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 



For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though. 

Josh 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
wrote: 

blockquote

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 



/blockquote



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[That One Guy]

to make the question much simpler, what tool can I use to verify
geographically and/or performancewise what CDNs are being utilized for
various content

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I assumed he meant DNS cache.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content
 from Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters
 is netflix

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

Wireshark and a couple of the Sysinternals tools.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 No Mikrotik routers between your PC and the Internet?

 Task Manager or Performance Manager will also tell you what IP or maybe
 FQDN the content is coming from as well.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term
 Ignore the term
 Take cache out of thyne mouth

 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,

 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in
 a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that
 CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist)



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not
 give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

   I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching
 server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams
 dynamically to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the
 customer authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch,
 etc.


  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone
 is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to
 Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I
 choose the latter.

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content
 from Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters
 is netflix

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by
 ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places still 
find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer thinks 
I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn. 

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and that 
they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was in 
Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just 
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with potential 
congestion issues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you. 

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download. And most of the time you will see 4 
parallel TCP connections. I really don’t think latency matters once you start 
the download. What does matter is server balancing. If your DNS server has 
correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in Dallas, 
maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance. Do you 
really want to second guess their decisions? About all you can do is make sure 
your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation database 
services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand out to 
your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the 
routing, not the DNS). 

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term 
Take cache out of thyne mouth 

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch 

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized 

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be 

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS, 

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist) 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote: 

blockquote




Not generic. You have to use the one they provide. And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server. 
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed. Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc. 





From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






Say a new movie is on Netflix. Or latest season of cards. Everyone is going to 
want to watch it. So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC. I choose the latter. 





From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[That One Guy]

used the wrong term
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
seems to boil down to DNS,

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in
a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that
CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
exist)



On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not
 give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

   I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching
 server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams
 dynamically to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the
 customer authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch,
 etc.


  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone
 is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to
 Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I
 choose the latter.

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content
 from Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters
 is netflix

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

No Mikrotik routers between your PC and the Internet? 

Task Manager or Performance Manager will also tell you what IP or maybe FQDN 
the content is coming from as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term 
Take cache out of thyne mouth 


now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch 


I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized 


namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be 


This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS, 


I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist) 






On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote: 






Not generic. You have to use the one they provide. And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server. 
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed. Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc. 





From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






Say a new movie is on Netflix. Or latest season of cards. Everyone is going to 
want to watch it. So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC. I choose the latter. 





From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software 
updates, I’m not sure about that. 





From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though. 

Josh 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
wrote: 

blockquote

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 



/blockquote



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

/blockquote




-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

OK.
There are basically 3 ways DNS queries can be answered – authoritative, 
recursive, and cache.  I assume then he means recursive and cache?  As opposed 
to something like a DNS proxy in a router which just queries another resolver 
but caches the answers?


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I assumed he meant DNS cache.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

  I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though.

  Josh

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

Run NetFlix. 
With Torch, capture it Netflix's IP. 
Traceroute to it. 


That's the best you're going to get. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:17:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


to make the question much simpler, what tool can I use to verify geographically 
and/or performancewise what CDNs are being utilized for various content 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




I assumed he meant DNS cache. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software 
updates, I’m not sure about that. 





From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though. 

Josh 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
wrote: 

blockquote

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 



/blockquote



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

/blockquote




-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

I think at the end of the day it comes down to what your caching server is
using for DNS initially.  At least I would have to assume, I don't know
where else it would get any name resolution?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Run NetFlix.
 With Torch, capture it Netflix's IP.
 Traceroute to it.


 That's the best you're going to get.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:17:16 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 to make the question much simpler, what tool can I use to verify
 geographically and/or performancewise what CDNs are being utilized for
 various content

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 I assumed he meant DNS cache.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content
 from Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters
 is netflix

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by
 ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Reynolds]

It's not pronounced that way, use an H for the J!@ :D

On 03/23/2015 09:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

hehe

He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Are you both Jesus in this situation?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:


Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's
happening, Jesus.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:

You can register with every geolocation service known to man
and places still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got
a new one now. ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP
block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn.

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light
NetFlix time and that they would be pointing you to the
nearest location. If they thought he was in Albuquerque, that
could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and
hops with potential congestion issues.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.
By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download,
either a video stream or some kind of large file download. 
And most of the time you will see 4 parallel TCP connections. 
I really don’t think latency matters once you start the

download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If your DNS
server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers
are overloaded or undergoing maintenance. Do you really want
to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is make
sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the
geolocation database services, and let the content provider
decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and how
to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the
routing, not the DNS).
Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of
the world, that may have dramatic effects, like totally
different content being available because Netflix thinks your
customer is in Europe or Asia.
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

used the wrong term
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth
now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch
I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are
being utilized
namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is
going to be
This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about
content being problematic in that users are getting less than
desirable CDNs, it always seems to boil down to DNS,
I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is
coming from

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places still 
find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer thinks 
I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn. 

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and that 
they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was in 
Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just 
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with potential 
congestion issues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you. 

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download. And most of the time you will see 4 
parallel TCP connections. I really don’t think latency matters once you start 
the download. What does matter is server balancing. If your DNS server has 
correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in Dallas, 
maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance. Do you 
really want to second guess their decisions? About all you can do is make sure 
your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation database 
services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand out to 
your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the 
routing, not the DNS). 

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term 
Take cache out of thyne mouth 

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch 

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized 

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be 

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS, 

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist) 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote: 






Not generic. You have to use the one they provide. And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server. 
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed. Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc. 





From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






Say a new movie is on Netflix. Or latest season of cards. Everyone is going to 
want to watch it. So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC. I choose the latter. 





From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software 
updates, I’m not sure about that. 





From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

For performance

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

He's us?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  It's not pronounced that way, use an H for the J!@ :D


 On 03/23/2015 09:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 hehe

 He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Are you both Jesus in this situation?


  Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening,
 Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  You can register with every geolocation service known to man and
 places still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now.
 ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or
 near Glen Ellyn.

 One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time
 and that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they
 thought he was in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit
 difficult. It wouldn't just be the gross latency, but the number of peering
 points and hops with potential congestion issues.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

 By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a
 video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you
 will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters
 once you start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If
 your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
 customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded
 or undergoing maintenance.  Do you really want to second guess their
 decisions?  About all you can do is make sure your DNS server is in the
 right place according to the geolocation database services, and let the
 content provider decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and
 how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not
 the DNS).

 Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the
 world, that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being
 available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term
 Ignore the term
 Take cache out of thyne mouth

 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being
 utilized

 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,

 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from.
 (in a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to
 that CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist)



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will
 not give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic
 caching server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[James Howard]

That should be the official post every time a thread goes off the rails!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[http://www.betsylove.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Derailed.jpg]


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:34 PM, James Howard 
ja...@litewire.netmailto:ja...@litewire.net wrote:
It’s been many years since I had a grammar lesson but I think technically you 
told him that he’ll see that Jesus is what’s happening.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:29 PM

To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

hehe

He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Are you both Jesus in this situation?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places still 
find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer thinks 
I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn.

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and that 
they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was in 
Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just 
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with potential 
congestion issues.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you will see 
4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters once you 
start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If your DNS server 
has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in 
Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance.  
Do you really want to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is 
make sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation 
database services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand 
out to your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to 
decide the routing, not the DNS).

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
used the wrong term
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[James Howard]

It’s been many years since I had a grammar lesson but I think technically you 
told him that he’ll see that Jesus is what’s happening.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

hehe

He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Are you both Jesus in this situation?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett 
af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places still 
find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer thinks 
I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn.

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and that 
they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was in 
Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just 
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with potential 
congestion issues.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you will see 
4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters once you 
start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If your DNS server 
has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in 
Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance.  
Do you really want to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is 
make sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation 
database services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand 
out to your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to 
decide the routing, not the DNS).

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
used the wrong term
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS,

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist)



On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

From: Ken Hohhofmailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Chuck McCown]

Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server.  
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone is going 
to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I choose the latter.




From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

  I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though.

  Josh

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

Netflix themselves has their own caching servers...obviously...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching
 server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams
 dynamically to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the
 customer authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch,
 etc.


  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone
 is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to
 Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I
 choose the latter.

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content
 from Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters
 is netflix

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

 For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind.

 I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like,
 though.

 Josh

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool
 for comparing queries between DNS servers.
 Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont
 be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make
 sure we are getting good CDNs and the like

 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






 --
   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

Will the thread forget content caching? That's not what Steve is talking about. 

He wants to know if his newly setup DNS servers get returned Chicago NetFlix 
IPs and not Los Angeles NetFlix IPs. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:32:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


I think at the end of the day it comes down to what your caching server is 
using for DNS initially. At least I would have to assume, I don't know where 
else it would get any name resolution? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




Run NetFlix. 
With Torch, capture it Netflix's IP. 
Traceroute to it. 


That's the best you're going to get. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:17:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


to make the question much simpler, what tool can I use to verify geographically 
and/or performancewise what CDNs are being utilized for various content 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 

blockquote


I assumed he meant DNS cache. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs. Actually, 
with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or streaming, I 
wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking about 
something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software 
updates, I’m not sure about that. 





From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird  joshba...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though. 

Josh 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
wrote: 

blockquote

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like 

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 



/blockquote



-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

/blockquote




-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[That One Guy]

Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places
 still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now.
 ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or
 near Glen Ellyn.

 One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and
 that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he
 was in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It
 wouldn't just be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and
 hops with potential congestion issues.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

 By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a
 video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you
 will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters
 once you start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If
 your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
 customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded
 or undergoing maintenance.  Do you really want to second guess their
 decisions?  About all you can do is make sure your DNS server is in the
 right place according to the geolocation database services, and let the
 content provider decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and
 how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not
 the DNS).

 Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world,
 that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being
 available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term
 Ignore the term
 Take cache out of thyne mouth

 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,

 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in
 a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that
 CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist)



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not
 give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic
 caching server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams
 dynamically to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the
 customer authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch,
 etc.


  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone
 is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to
 Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I
 choose the latter.

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.
 Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or
 streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are
 talking about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you
 can cache software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server.  
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone is going 
to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I choose the latter.




From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

  I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, though.

  Josh

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be a 
huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we are 
getting good CDNs and the like


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

I would just check the IP address of your DNS server (the address it sources 
queries from) in the major geoIP databases.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Will the thread forget content caching? That's not what Steve is talking about.

He wants to know if his newly setup DNS servers get returned Chicago NetFlix 
IPs and not Los Angeles NetFlix IPs.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:32:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I think at the end of the day it comes down to what your caching server is 
using for DNS initially.  At least I would have to assume, I don't know where 
else it would get any name resolution?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  Run NetFlix.
  With Torch, capture it Netflix's IP.
  Traceroute to it.


  That's the best you're going to get.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:17:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


  to make the question much simpler, what tool can I use to verify 
geographically and/or performancewise what CDNs are being utilized for various 
content

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

I assumed he meant DNS cache.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


From: That One Guy 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

  For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

  I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, 
though.

  Josh

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool 
for comparing queries between DNS servers. 
Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont 
be a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we 
are getting good CDNs and the like


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

Are you both Jesus in this situation?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places
 still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now.
 ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or
 near Glen Ellyn.

 One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time
 and that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they
 thought he was in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit
 difficult. It wouldn't just be the gross latency, but the number of peering
 points and hops with potential congestion issues.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

 By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a
 video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you
 will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters
 once you start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If
 your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
 customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded
 or undergoing maintenance.  Do you really want to second guess their
 decisions?  About all you can do is make sure your DNS server is in the
 right place according to the geolocation database services, and let the
 content provider decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and
 how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not
 the DNS).

 Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world,
 that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being
 available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term
 Ignore the term
 Take cache out of thyne mouth

 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being
 utilized

 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,

 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from.
 (in a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to
 that CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist)



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will
 not give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic
 caching server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams
 dynamically to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the
 customer authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch,
 etc.


  *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone
 is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to
 Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I
 choose the latter.

 --
 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you will see 
4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters once you 
start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If your DNS server 
has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in 
Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance.  
Do you really want to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is 
make sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation 
database services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand 
out to your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to 
decide the routing, not the DNS).

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS,

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist)



On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not give 
to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching 
server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically 
to match video quality to connection speed.  Plus first the customer 
authenticates to Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.  Everyone is going 
to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 
simultaneous streams to the caching server in your NOC.  I choose the latter.


--

  From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


  I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with CDNs.  
Actually, with so much Internet content now being either dynamic HTML or 
streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth it, unless you are talking 
about something like a Netflix OpenConnect appliance.  Maybe you can cache 
software updates, I’m not sure about that.


  From: That One Guy 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Geographically close CDNs. I want to make sure we are getting content from 
Illinoisish rather than california for netflix, since all that matters is 
netflix

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:

For performance, look at queryperf which I think is provided by ISC/bind. 

I'm not sure what you mean by we are getting good CDNs and the like, 
though.

Josh

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Im bringing live our first caching server today. Is there a good tool for 
comparing queries between DNS servers. 
  Im not all that concerned about speed since we are so small there wont be 
a huge amount of benefit I would think. Im primarily wanting to make sure we 
are getting good CDNs and the like


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  -- 

  If you

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Mike Hammett]

hehe 

He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Are you both Jesus in this situation? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus 


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett  af...@ics-il.net  wrote: 

blockquote


You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places still 
find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer thinks 
I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn. 

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and that 
they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was in 
Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't just 
be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with potential 
congestion issues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 




I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you. 

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download. And most of the time you will see 4 
parallel TCP connections. I really don’t think latency matters once you start 
the download. What does matter is server balancing. If your DNS server has 
correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in Dallas, 
maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance. Do you 
really want to second guess their decisions? About all you can do is make sure 
your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation database 
services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand out to 
your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the 
routing, not the DNS). 

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, that 
may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: That One Guy  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term 
Take cache out of thyne mouth 

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch 

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized 

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be 

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS, 

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in a 
perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that CDN, 
I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist) 




On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote: 

blockquote




Not generic. You have to use the one they provide. And they will not give to 
you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic caching server. 
Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app switches streams dynamically to match 
video quality to connection speed. Plus first the customer authenticates to 
Netflix server, chooses what content to watch, etc. 





From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance 






Say a new movie is on Netflix. Or latest season of cards. Everyone is going to 
want to watch it. So 1000 simultaneous backbone streams

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Josh Luthman]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:34 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote:

 It’s been many years since I had a grammar lesson but I think technically
 you told him that he’ll see that Jesus is what’s happening.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 12:29 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance



 hehe

 He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Are you both Jesus in this situation?




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM


 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus



 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places
 still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now.
 ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or
 near Glen Ellyn.

 One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and
 that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he
 was in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It
 wouldn't just be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and
 hops with potential congestion issues.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM


 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.



 By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a
 video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you
 will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters
 once you start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If
 your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
 customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded
 or undergoing maintenance.  Do you really want to second guess their
 decisions?  About all you can do is make sure your DNS server is in the
 right place according to the geolocation database services, and let the
 content provider decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and
 how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not
 the DNS).



 Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world,
 that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being
 available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.





 *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance



 Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 --

 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term

 Ignore the term

 Take cache out of thyne mouth



 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch



 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized



 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be



 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,



 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in
 a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that
 CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist)







 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not
 give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com

 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Eric Muehleisen]

To view your CDN via netflix/silverlight on PC. Ctrl+Shift+Alt+D I think.

Ctrl+Shift+Alt+M – Menu;  includes loading custom .dfxp sub-title files.
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+C – Codes; frame rate plus other (unknown to me) info. Also
makes the other overlays green.
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+D – Display A/V Stats on-screen
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+L – Logging window
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+P – Player info
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+R – toggle color Rotation for overlays in Chrome; probably a
debugging feature.
Ctrl+Shift+Alt+S – current Streaming bit-rate and manual bit-rate selection

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   Jesus is running for mayor of Chicago.

  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 12:28 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  hehe

 He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Are you both Jesus in this situation?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening,
 Jesus.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  You can register with every geolocation service known to man and
 places still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now.
 ShadowServer thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or
 near Glen Ellyn.

 One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time
 and that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they
 thought he was in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit
 difficult. It wouldn't just be the gross latency, but the number of peering
 points and hops with potential congestion issues.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

 By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a
 video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you
 will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters
 once you start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If
 your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your
 customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded
 or undergoing maintenance.  Do you really want to second guess their
 decisions?  About all you can do is make sure your DNS server is in the
 right place according to the geolocation database services, and let the
 content provider decide what IP address to hand out to your customers and
 how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not
 the DNS).

 Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the
 world, that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being
 available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

 used the wrong term
 Ignore the term
 Take cache out of thyne mouth

 now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

 I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being
 utilized

 namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

 This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being
 problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always
 seems to boil down to DNS,

 I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from.
 (in a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to
 that CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would
 exist

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[Ken Hohhof]

Jesus is running for mayor of Chicago.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

hehe

He just wanted to see Jesus, so I told him he was Jesus.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:25:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


Are you both Jesus in this situation?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

  Then do what I already told you to do. You'll see what's happening, Jesus.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:16:27 PM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


  Im not wanting to alter anything, I just want to see, jesus

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

You can register with every geolocation service known to man and places 
still find ways to place you incorrectly. I've got a new one now. ShadowServer 
thinks I'm in Glen Ellyn. The IP block has never been in or near Glen Ellyn.

One could assume that the middle of a week day is a light NetFlix time and 
that they would be pointing you to the nearest location. If they thought he was 
in Albuquerque, that could make optimal routing a bit difficult. It wouldn't 
just be the gross latency, but the number of peering points and hops with 
potential congestion issues. 




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:05:29 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.

By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a video 
stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the time you will see 
4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think latency matters once you 
start the download.  What does matter is server balancing.  If your DNS server 
has correct geoIP but Netflix chooses to send your customers to a server in 
Dallas, maybe their Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance.  
Do you really want to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is 
make sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the geolocation 
database services, and let the content provider decide what IP address to hand 
out to your customers and how to route that IP (they may use geoIP info to 
decide the routing, not the DNS).

Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the world, 
that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content being available 
because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance


used the wrong term 
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth

now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch

I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be

This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content being 
problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, it always seems 
to boil down to DNS,

I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. (in 
a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality indicator to that 
CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component of the tool would exist)



On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will not 
give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

  I was not aware you could cache

Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

It's not only about geolocation. This is not related to Netflix, but.. I 
had a problem getting to Google (everything Google) from home a month or 
two ago for about two hours. But it worked if I remote desktop'd into my 
PC at the office. The primary DNS at the NOC goes out through GTT. The 
secondary (which I hit at home) sits on ATT. Same address space. A 
query for google.com from one server gave me a completely different 
result than the other. So they're responding based on what network 
you're coming in on as well. Both did get me to Google in Chicago 
though. My guess is different load balancers. Netflix could be doing the 
same thing, I don't know.


On 3/23/2015 12:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I also don’t know how important it is that a CDN be “near” you.
By definition, you’re probably talking a sustained download, either a 
video stream or some kind of large file download.  And most of the 
time you will see 4 parallel TCP connections.  I really don’t think 
latency matters once you start the download.  What does matter is 
server balancing. If your DNS server has correct geoIP but Netflix 
chooses to send your customers to a server in Dallas, maybe their 
Chicago servers are overloaded or undergoing maintenance. Do you 
really want to second guess their decisions?  About all you can do is 
make sure your DNS server is in the right place according to the 
geolocation database services, and let the content provider decide 
what IP address to hand out to your customers and how to route that IP 
(they may use geoIP info to decide the routing, not the DNS).
Now, if your DNS server appears to be in a whole wrong part of the 
world, that may have dramatic effects, like totally different content 
being available because Netflix thinks your customer is in Europe or Asia.

*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Pardon the mess, I'm on a laptop with a damn touchpad.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:43:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

used the wrong term
Ignore the term
Take cache out of thyne mouth
now, being a windows dick, I dont have torch
I want to simply be able to verify that appropriate CDNs are being 
utilized

namebench is still running, I dont know what its output is going to be
This cant be a new thing, I see threads occasionally about content 
being problematic in that users are getting less than desirable CDNs, 
it always seems to boil down to DNS,
I just want a tool that will tell me where the content is coming from. 
(in a perfect world, it would display on a map with a quality 
indicator to that CDN, I dont have any expectation that that component 
of the tool would exist)
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:


Not generic.  You have to use the one they provide.  And they will
not give to you unless you are doing some like 4tB per month.
*From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
I was not aware you could cache Netflix streams with a generic
caching server.  Not only due to DRM, but also Netflix app
switches streams dynamically to match video quality to connection
speed. Plus first the customer authenticates to Netflix server,
chooses what content to watch, etc.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance
Say a new movie is on Netflix.  Or latest season of cards.
Everyone is going to want to watch it.  So 1000 simultaneous
backbone streams to Netflix vs 1000 simultaneous streams to the
caching server in your NOC.  I choose the latter.


*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 23, 2015 11:08:27 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] testing DNS server performance

I don’t understand how the caching server is going to help with
CDNs. Actually, with so much Internet content now being either
dynamic HTML or streaming, I wouldn’t think caching would be worth
it, unless you are talking about something like a Netflix
OpenConnect appliance. Maybe you can cache software updates, I’m
not sure about that.
*From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 10:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Testing M900 Rocket

[Ken Hohhof]

The way single pol Yagis and VHF TV antennas got clogged with ice and snow in 
our recent 20 inch snowfall, I have to think those dual pol Yagis would be 
problematic.  Not in your area though, I assume.

It does look like a plastic tube of appropriate diameter could be slipped over 
it as a radome though.


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 4:53 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Testing M900 Rocket

Set this up today on Lower Comanche.. going install remote at home and on truck 
to see how well they perform in noisy environment.  I will share my findings.  
My home is about 7.5 miles from Franklins.Shooting through a ton of MDS 
Freewave and a few Canopy links.  Going to test all sizes and all channels. 

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Testing M900 Rocket

[Jaime Solorza]

According to meteorologists our winter storm season has passed.  This not a
permanent install for now.  If it yields good results will consider sector
antenna like I used at district few years back.  In Dallas I learned MDS
lost some big accounts to M900 because it handle SCADA and video.   The
SD9s can't

Jaime Solorza
On Feb 7, 2015 4:30 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   The way single pol Yagis and VHF TV antennas got clogged with ice and
 snow in our recent 20 inch snowfall, I have to think those dual pol Yagis
 would be problematic.  Not in your area though, I assume.

 It does look like a plastic tube of appropriate diameter could be slipped
 over it as a radome though.


  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, February 07, 2015 4:53 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Testing M900 Rocket


 Set this up today on Lower Comanche.. going install remote at home and on
 truck to see how well they perform in noisy environment.  I will share my
 findings.  My home is about 7.5 miles from Franklins.Shooting through a
 ton of MDS Freewave and a few Canopy links.  Going to test all sizes and
 all channels.

 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

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On Oct 29, 2014 5:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Test 1211pm
On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Test 1213
On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Test 1211pm
 On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Paul McCall via Af]

All good TJ ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123


Test 1213
On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

Test 1211pm
On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.commailto:t...@voltbb.com 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[TJ Trout via Af]

Yes, I think my email had some bounces and it automatically unsubscribed
me, that's all I can come up with

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  All good TJ ?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123



 Test 1213

 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 Test 1211pm

 On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123

[Bill Prince via Af]

x31 x32 x33

Back to you TJ

bp



On 10/29/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Paul McCall via Af]

Just a learning curve on Mailman filters… we wanted to still filter out obvious 
bad stuff if possible, yet let normal good stuff through.

I know we are NOT the content police but if we could possibly reduce Spammers 
doing bad things, we wanted to.

From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
via Af
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

Well, aren’t you special.  And big!

From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

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Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Bill Prince via Af]

Don't need to shout Paul.

bp

On 9/18/2014 11:46 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


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Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !

[Ryan Ray via Af]

Tried copying it from safari on iPhone into the gmail app. Probably a
limitation of the iPhone not the list

On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  What kind of image was that Ryan?



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-bounces%2Bpaulm');=pdmnet@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pdmnet@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
 Ray via Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TESTING: PLEASE IGNORE - Yeah Right !





 On Thursday, September 18, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

 Don't need to shout Paul.

  bp

 On 9/18/2014 11:46 AM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:

  Inserting a graphic…



 [image:
 file:/Sbserver/MainData/pdmnet/Business%20Development/Marketing/Nader/Logos/PDMNet/logo.jpg]



 Paul McCall, Pres.

 PDMNet / Florida Broadband

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800 office

 772-473-0352 cell

 www.pdmnet.com

 pa...@pdmnet.net