RE: [AMRadio] Spy radio

[Vince Werber]

I bought a Sb 401 for $35 bucks awhile back...  works fine...
73
vince
ka1iic


On Tue, 1 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Either SSB or AM can be real cheap or real expensive, depending on your 
preference and situation.

SSB can be real cheap - I've seen HW-100's with P/S for like $100 at hamfests; and Swans 
& Drakes for under $200..  Or you can go spend $3000-$4000 on a complete mint S-Line 
& 30S-1. Or a whole bunch more on the latest & greatest rice box.

AM can be real cheap - Have seen Heath AM mobile twins complete with AC P/S for like 
$100. Or to go upscale,  HQ-129X  & DX-100 - like $150 apiece. Or you can go spend 
$3000-$4000 on a mint 75A-4 & Johnson 500 combo, or spend $20,000 on a KW-1.

But the point is, whatever we spend, a lot or a little, SSB or AM, it is pretty much 
peanuts in the overall scheme of things. Ham radio is an extremely LOW COST hobby. Look 
at how much we spend a year on housing, utilities, cars, gasoline, food, 
insurance,cable TV, wife's trips to beauty parlor, etc., etc. Spending a few or several 
hundred $$ a year on ham radio is a rounding error; a fraction of a percent of what we 
spend on everything else. And cheaper than golf clubs & greens fees, or skis & 
lift tickets.

73

--
Ernie, k0occ
Atlanta, GA

-- Original message --
From: "Rick Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Interesting thought. "...is AM cheaper than SSB?.. Let's see, I have some
ssb equipment that I paid a considerable amount for. However, if I were to
tally up the odds and ends, parts and pieces I have for AM I would say ,
"no", AM is not by any means cheaper or less expensive than ssb. One table
top transceiver and one legal limit amplifier can cover the entire amateur
spectrum, but it would take a room full of "real radios" to do the same
thing and that ain't cheap! The way I see it, this is a great hobby and
when we stop treating it as such and become concerned with the cost of
things then we are spending too much money on it. I personally spend what I
can afford and that's not much. If I had gazillio ns I would spend much more
on my "hobby" and on other things that matter. It's all relative. I don't
think a comparison between the richest man I the world and a poor old stiff
like me is quite fair. Kind of like comparing apples to cow dung!

Whew... That was a mouthful... No offense intended to anyone, these are
just my personal thoughts.
Rick

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Re: [AMRadio] Re: Audiophools vs guitar players

[Vince Werber]

TNX Don... you are totally correct...  Don't be putting the guitar guys 
like me in with the audio phools...  I can't afford to use the 6L6GC or 
5881's I use for my amps...


As for the audio phools... they didn't drop out of the sky...  they think 
such and such tube is better because some jerk with a hoard of tubes wants 
to make a pile of bux and THAT AIN'T ME or any of the guys I know... 
allot of guys gave up on their tube amps because of the price of retubing 
their amps...


TNX agn Don...

73
vince
ka1iic


On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, D. Chester wrote:


All these guitar players and audiophools have done it to drive the cost of
tubes to rediculous hights. Other than that, they are totally useless!

73,

John,  W4AWM


You can bet your oxygen-free copper against my $600 a.c. power cord that the 
culprit is the audiophools.  The guitar players have suffered the same fate 
with their tube type amplifiers as the hams with our triode tube rigs.  Ever 
view the web sites with the $80,000 stereo amplifiers running triode 
transmitting tubes?  Not many electric guitar players or delta blues 
musicians who actually work for a living can afford to play around with that 
kind of money.


Don k4kyv


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RE: [AMRadio] OT Guitar Amps

[Vince Werber]

I always considered them very e... mellow...  and yes they did have 
speakers to the roof almost...  at least as high as the fire code would 
allow... it was a very small house compaired to what they normally did...


They did do two shows that gig and the University students got to pick up 
the beer cans and bottles and errr... other stuff which I will not 
mention... 



vince


On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Ed Hopton wrote:


Bry,
Well, I guess you heard the story about the Deadhead
who couldn't cop any acid before the show and had to
see them straight.  After the show, he said: "What a
lame-ass band!"

73,
Ed N3CMI

--- Bry Carling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Was that from their "Wall of Sound" days?  That

must have been most

impressive to observe first hand!


I once walked up when they were doing a free concert
on the
Vanderbilt campus.
It was a weekday, during the afternoon. Yeah they
had a lot
of speakers allstacked up in a wall, but it wasn't
all that loud.
I always thought that they were just a very
ordinary, OK band.



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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM ?? Vince

[Vince Werber]

Osss... I forgot this was the AM list...  perhaps I could justify the 
guitar amp thing by mentioning me using a Class B modulator deck a pair of 
5514's in fact as a output amp and using the Fender as a driver...

I use an old military surplus plate transformer for the output transformer...  
that tranny was about a square foot in size and one of those real weird 
trannys...  Maybe 760 volts center tapped with a bunch of low voltage 
outputs...  I seemed to get a reasonable match of off one of them... can't 
remember which one but that tranny had a bunch of low voltage taps...  8, 
17,24,36 volts things...

It worked and didn't blow up... quite effective for what it was...

73
vince
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Re: [AMRadio] OT Guitar Amps

[Vince Werber]

I got to watch the Greatful Dead guys set up once...  from the security cat 
walk over head...  most impressive...   but that was yet another 
story...

73
vince
ka1iic



On Sunday 08 April 2007 15:50, John Lawson wrote:
>   At least they had tubes...
>
>
>   In my Music Repair days I built some special effects cabinets for a few
> musicians - mostly bass players, and 80% of them Ampeg SVT, or Rock City
> aficianados.
>
>I'd build a big cabinet, with space for 6 or 8 12" speakers. In the
> cabinet would be a 250 volt power supply charging a few 1000 microfarads
> of big beefy caps and some pyrotechnic squib holders.  We'd buy the
> cheapest junk speakers available, and prepare them by slitting the
> surrounds and voice coil spider, then using a bit of scotch tape to hold
> the cone in place.  The cabinet would be finished in Tolex or Diamond Tuck
> to match the rest of the Stack.
>
>Then, at a pre-determined moment, usually at the climax of the last set,
> the Musician would step on a foot switch, discharging the capacitor bank
> through all the speakers, blowing the (often burning) cones sometimes
> clear out into the crowd, and setting off the fireworks squibs at the same
> time..
>
>
>"DDE!!! He BLEW his AMP *UP*!!! It was AWSOME!! DDE"
>
>
>I made about a dozen of those durring the stadium rock days...
>
>
>
>We now return you to your originally-scheduled AmRadio Newsgroup,
> already in progress
>
>
> Cheers
>
> John
> KB6SCO
>
> Who is a lifelong keyboard player (with the exception of...   [eww!]
> accordions...)
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM ?? Vince

[Vince Werber]

Yeah my friend Steve had two and used them for lead guitar...When he was home 
he had both of them against the wall in his 10x12 bedroom...  He was big into 
blues...  I remember one after noon me showing him 'The Bluegrass tune "Wild 
Wood flower' using them...  The entire neighborhood thought Steve had 'lost 
it'...  great fun...



73
vince
ka1iic
  


On Sunday 08 April 2007 15:38, Daniel J Wright wrote:
> Vince Werber wrote:
> > On the Ampeg... My friend Steve had two of those heads and the matching
> > six foot speaker cabinets...  I'm glad you know about them because I have
> > been call a nut for even mentioning them...  no one remembers them...  If
> > you have ever been beside two of them ripping... you know all too well
> > they are real...
>
> They were Ampeg SVTs...I think they had something like six or eight
> 6146s in there.
> They had two cabinets with eight 10" speakers in EACH cabinet! I think
> about 350 watts
> of true RMS power. The things just killed.they were primarily made for
> bass guitar. Our bassist had one. That was a long time ago. =-O
>
> 73 de Dan -- WA0JRD ..
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM ?? Vince

[Vince Werber]

On the Ampeg... My friend Steve had two of those heads and the matching six 
foot speaker cabinets...  I'm glad you know about them because I have been 
call a nut for even mentioning them...  no one remembers them...  If you have 
ever been beside two of them ripping... you know all too well they are 
real...

As for the Fender...  yeah well...  I keep mine because it was my first real 
amp and for no other reason...  I was never impressed with any guitar amp 
designs...  always too close to tolerance for me...  I would be happier if 
the Fender had 807's...


73
vince
ka1iic


On Saturday 07 April 2007 17:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello Vince !
>
>   You said:
> >BTW... I still have my old Fender Super Reverb Silver face with the
> > 6L6GC's...<
>
>   While your amp has a silver face it is most likely still the original pre
> CBS Fender circuit. One of the best all around designs that Fender made.
> Will work best with T.S. 5881's as in most of the Black face amps. 
>    >I don't use it that much tho...  I have more or less retired to a
> simple D-10  acoustic guitar...  which is where I started in the first
> place HI HI< Kind of like running QRP. No neighbor complaints and pleasing
> to listen to. 
>   >A friemd of mine in the 60's used these huge Ampeg amps with four 6146's
> in the output... now those amps wailed!!!<
>
>   Awhile ago there was a thread on this or the Tube Collectors list about
> the Ampeg SVT and it's use of the 6146. Six of them with the output rating
> of 300 watts.
>  This amp weighs in at almost 80 lbs and actually bench tests
> at 300 watts.
>   The 6146B/8298A was the only available tube rated for this at the time.
> Plate voltage was 660 vdc. When the 6550 came out it was retro fitted and
> the amp was redesigned to use them. Suprisingly the B+ was raised to 695
> vdc. I have the Ampeg service notes for the change over procedure.
>   The 6550's were much safer without the plate cap and actually performed
> and sounded better anyway. Currently a very desirable amp but costs a small
> fortune to retube especially with the new production tubes not quite as
> good as the originals so NOS are really needed.
>
>    If you could find one of these, the power amplifier is a seperate,
> complete chassis with enough room to replace the output transformer with a
> 250 watt or so piece of Mod iron and will set in a 19 inch rack tray.
>
> 73,
> Bill KB3DKS/1
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM ?? Vince

[Vince Werber]

Well most of the time when I do operate I do AM...  with an old Collins 32V1 
in fact.  When I must do SSB I use my old NC-183 with a product detector that 
I stuffed under the chassis and from there I EQ the audio out to smooth it 
out  I have to round off the peaks because of my hearing being messed up 
  perhaps I would be more correct to say I mellow the signal :-)

BTW... I still have my old Fender Super Reverb Silver face with the 6L6GC's...  
I don't use it that much tho...  I have more or less retired to a simple D-10 
acoustic guitar...  which is where I started in the first place HI HI  A 
friemd of mine in the 60's used these huge Ampeg amps with four 6146's in the 
output... now those amps wailed!!!

73
vince
ka1iic
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 06:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello !
>  Vince I can certainly understand the guitar amps !
> Can still hear them myself. :(
>  But what AM all comes down to is that the human ear, no matter how abused,
> still is ultimately critical of the phase accuracy of received sound.
> Especially in the voice range. Some of this is due to the brains function
> of locating position by phase difference between the ears. Whenever an
> audio signal is bandpassed or EQ'd in any way
> there are often serious phase shifts created.
>   So the broader and flatter an audio signal and the further outside of
> normal hearing range the filtering is kept the easier it is to listen to
> and more musical due to the proper phase alignment of both higher and lower
> harmonics of the sound. I am primarily refering to analog audio here. Digi
> is another can o worms.
>
> Bill, back from the Studio
> KB3DKS/1
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: GB> AM vs SSB???

[Vince Werber]

Hi all...

I have heard good SSB audio in years past...  anyone remember the old phasing 
rigs?  They didn't sound too bad...

I can't listen to any SSB too long these days...  I get a tearing sound in my 
ears...  most likely from standing beside too many guitar amplifiers from the 
60's on up...  

73
vince
ka1iic


On Saturday 07 April 2007 00:29, Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote:
> > The KWS-1 has issues in that it transmits ONLY one sideband NOT both.
> >
> > That is precisely WHY I passed by the one that was/is 
> > available WITH the matching receiver.  Both are completely restored.
> >
> > As such - it is a POOR example to cite for "AM vs SSB"
>
> First a transmitter that transmits both sidebands is NOT SSB.  SSB
> means exactly SINGLE SIDE BAND.  If a transmitter transmits both
> sidebands it is DSB for Double Side Band...unless it also wastes time
> with the carrier then it is AM.
>
> And I did not refer to the KWS1 when I said the Collins properly tuned
> had great audio.  Or, actually I said it didn't sound like donald
> duck.  BUT...my 1958 S-Line, 32S1, 75S1 and 30L1 does have great audio
> that sounds like you are sitting across the room from the other party.
>
> It was precisely because of the audio that in 1958 I fell in love with
> the Collins S-Line series of communication gear.
>
>
> Jim Isbell
> "If you are not living on the edge, well then,
> you are just taking up too much space."
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Re: [AMRadio] AM - characteristics

[Vince Werber]

Don't forget those wide-band RF front ends that these newer receivers 
use...  Any loud signal can mess them up and it makes no difference what 
mode is being used.


73
vince
ka1iic


On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



The complaints of very-wide AM, or SSB for that matter, often come from folks 
who have their "noise blanker" engaged.  And I've had very little success 
pointing out that their perception of a problem is due to their noise blanker 
and not the transmitter involved, even when they admit that it goes away when 
they turn off the blanker.


One downside of having a strong signal I guess.


Steve WD8DAS

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Re: [AMRadio] AM Windows!

[Vince Werber]

Kudos Pete...

I consider any phone frequency that is allowed by my license as an AM 
window when I am using the AM mode...  anybody that has worked for their 
license class should use said license to it's fullest degree within the 
rules and regs...


Being held to any frequency because of its mode is so much like riding at 
the back of the bus...  I would hope we as a people are over such 
things...


just my opinion... if it isn't 'politically correct' well I'm not a 
politically correct type of guy...


have a good day and a better tomorrow!

73
vince
ka1iic
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Peter Markavage wrote:


As Jim points out, you don't even have to go to the newly expanded
portions of 75. I haven't spent any real significant time around 3885 in
quite a long time to make AM contacts. I roll down to between 3820 and
3850, find a clear slot, and call a CQ. Lots of abundant AM contacts for
folks who have tunable receivers and VFO's.

Even last night, around 9:30 PM EDT, when I tuned the receiver to around
3885, I heard three separate AM QSO's trying to operate between 3875 and
3885 with SSB transmissions adjacent to both sides of the range. Yet,
between 3740 and 3775, there was a total absence of any signals that I
could hear. I then set the receiver bandwidth to 16 KHz, set the receiver
dial to around 3755, and let it sit for about 45 minutes while I puttered
around the shack. Only heard 1 weak SSB station come on about 20 minutes
later making a direct call to someone and then he disappeared.

The band expansion is a golden opportunity for AM groups, that have been
plagued for years by adjacent SSB chatter, to move to new locations on
the band. I can understand long traditions, being crystal controlled, we
been on that frequency for 90 years, my VFO is frozen, etc. but these are
not insurmountable obstacles.

Pete, wa2cwa


On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:38:30 -0500 "Jim Wilhite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:

Bob, the General Class can operate down to 3.8.  Some
activity between 3.8 and 3.880 would be good.  The practical
answer is to make contact between 3.880 to 3.890 then move
either down or up to an open frequency.

Jim
W5JO


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RE: [AMRadio] ARRL changes: League dumps threat to AM

[Vince Werber]

I don't know why we don't get more spectrum anyway... look at the state of 
shortware radio...  the glory days are gone and what is left isn't much 
worth bothering with... Most countries use web casting to pump their 
propaganda...  I don't see any real rush to shortwave from commercial
interests... no reason to... why dump money into a service that hardly has 
any listeners?


We need to push for more spectrum...

Just my opinion...
73
vince
ka1iic in Maine...


On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Brett gazdzinski wrote:


I would move up there, you got free health care and so on,
but its to cold for motorcycles!

I don't understand why hams cant have set frequencies all over
the planet...the same ones

Short wave broadcast on 40 meters? voice in the CW parts of the band?

Brett
N2DTS


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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] ARRL changes: League dumps threat to AM

What the heck is going on with our neighbours south of the 49th
Parallel...?!

You've seemingly got a licensing body populated by little-more than
did-interested, beaurocratic, career-oriented mandarins, headed-up by
politically correct toadies of big money & big
bu$ine$$...your largest lobby
group seems to be grossly ineffective of late in its ability
to grab the ear
of the FCC to make it listen, because it's apparently too
distracted by its
own agenda & internal empire building...

I am NOT attempting to condemn you good folks, or put you
down, or set up
our system here in Canada by comparison as some sort of a
",,,beacon of
enlightenment" --- nothing like that at all! But man-o-man, I
do feel for
you guys.

It's like you're all alone in a cruel world that simply
continues to change
for the worst. Obviously politics & Ham radio do NOT mix...on
ANY level. I
only hope things might change for you guys soon, because you
certainly do
deserve better than what you've been getting for the past
several years,
IMHO...

~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ



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Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL changes: League dumps threat to AM



Thanks, Paul - excellent commentary from WA3VJB...

The threat to operators of old tube AM and CW rigs is
somewhat diminished.

To expand and explain slightly - the part they DO want to keep...
They now propose to destroy only ten meters, perhaps figuring
that since there has been a long sunspot minimum, no one
will be paying attention...

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2007/03/23/101/?nc=1

Wa3VJB wrote


The ARRL, a small, non-profit publishing company in
Newington Connecticut, has abandoned a threat to
impose a system of bandwidth segregation on the
various modes and activities on HF below 10 meters.

In an email to the club's volunteer administrators,
Dave Sumner, the company's highest-paid, unelected
staffer, seems to have acknowledged the overwhelming
opposition arrayed against his group's plan the past
several years.

The threat to AM was specific and unquestionable -- it
would have imposed the first-ever, numerical
constraints on bandwidth without providing a means for
licensees to ensure compliance and ward off
unwarranted complaints from those who do not
participate in this mode and activity.

The scheme would also have characterized AM as a
"footnote" that otherwise would not be in compliance
with their misguided system of bandwidth segregation.

Sumner wrote, in part,

Quote
Regulation by bandwidth rather than by mode of
emission remains controversial below 28 MHz because of
perceived potential impact on established operating
patterns, so these proposals were removed from the
list with one narrow exception.

Those who subscribe to the ARRL can pursue the full
text, which contains several insults and additional
patronizing language to those of us who dared to
question the scheme their group tried to slip through.

Keywords:
--And for the truly paranoid
--don't know all the facts
--making their complaints and threats
--have other motives

It is important to note that the club continues to try
to sneak through the small, remaining portion of their
scheme that opponents had not, until now, chosen to
challenge.

Fresh opposition remarks about the fraction the League
continues to push are now being filed and accepted on
the FCC's Electronic Comment Filing System.

The latest challenges join the carefully considered,
well-reasoned arguments that gave the ARRL a severe
spanking and refuted that group's earlier threat to AM
that they now have abandoned.

Re: [AMRadio] VJB Paul Reception Report

[Vince Werber]

As a person that likes to work with tubes I plan to keep working with them 
but be warned that there is at least one state in the U.S> that plans to 
(or has) ban the Edison Light blub...  tubes will follow and it all 
because of the 'global warming' hysteria...  There is also global warming 
on Mars but did we have anything to do with that?


Let's get real with real science... the sun is. in fact, getting warmer...

End of comment.

73
vince
ka1iic


On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, A.R.S. -  W5AMI wrote:


On 3/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Think we are seeing signs of the global warming issue appear on H.F. 
propagation.

 Or maybe spring is finally coming.


Somehow I don't think "Global Warming" has anything to do with this.
HF propagation has done odd things for many years, and this is not
that odd.  I'd prefer not to get the "global warming" issue mixed into
AM radio or HF propagation since it does seem to be such a political
issue at this time...;)
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Re: [AMRadio] Odd signals in lower 80 meters

[Vince Werber]

Do the transmissions have a 'key' tone before the voice part of the 
encrypt???


73
vince
ka1iic


On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, John King wrote:


Maybe they are the digitized audio from the AR9000
digital voice device that converts SSB into digital
signal that is decoded by another AR 9000. I think
that is the model number of the device made by AOR and
is advertised in QST magazine 73, John, K5PGW



--- "A.R.S. -  W5AMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Has anyone beside Don/KYV and myself heard these odd
sounding voice
signals between 3700 and about 3750 that seem to be
sideband, but can
not be tuned in either lower or upper sideband?
They seem to be all
over the place, however no one else has said a thing
about them except
Don on amfone.net.

They sound like inverted audio, however it would
seem that going to
the opposite sideband would allow you to tune them,
but it doesn't.
Maybe I'm not thinking clearly on "Inverted audio".
If not, would
someone straighten me out?

I started a thread on another list, and it's as if
no one has heard
them, and I am now getting the feeling I'm losing my
marbles!

73
Brian / w5ami


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Re: [AMRadio] advice on el cheapo elecret mics

[Vince Werber]

Tnx allot Sir...

That's what I needed... as always this is the 'right' list hi hi

73
vince
ka1iic



On Thursday 14 December 2006 01:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Vince: If your electret contains the FET follower inside, the typical
> source impedence of the FET is about 1.5K to 3.0K Ohms. I usually AC
> couple the output
> (with say a 1 uF cap observe polarity carefully) to a 5 to 10K load.
>
> Usually anything from a 1.5 V battery to a 6 V battery or well filtered
> supply will work (I usually put a few K Ohms in series with the supply.
>
> If your supply lines are long, it is best to put a 1 uF cap and a .01 uF
> cap across the electret supply input and ground.
>
> They do love to hum so shield well.
>
> Good Luch, Charlie,  K0NG
>
> 
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[AMRadio] advice on el cheapo elecret mics

[Vince Werber]

Hi all,

This question should be easy so here goes;

When building up a usable high quality mics from one of the small electret 
elements... What should I do to insure the lowest level hum... I mean other 
than good shielding...

Do they have less AC hum when the batteries are placed closer to the element, 
in the same shielded housing  or can you provide the DC from a remote 
shielded box and what is a good working load on these things???

thanks in advance
73
vince
ka1iic
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Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting

[Vince Werber]

Well to be honest I wasn't the one that came up with the window idea... 
although I do have an eight foot wide 5 foot tall one in the dining room...

The last rig I got up to the second story of this place was a Motorola 
Sensicon that has two 100TH in the final...  a seven foot high and 2 1/2 foot 
wide deal...  Not anywheres as big as the unit you are speaking of I am sure 
but still a project...  I have no idea how heavy it is.

I personally would go with the door removal... but that's just me.

Have you considered the possibility of using some sort of 'rolls' to make the 
moving easier?  In the past I have used three inch in diameter thick walled 
piping for these sort of things...

Also... will the building that you will be putting this beauty in handle the 
height?  With old houses that wouldn't be a problem but many of the newer 
ones the height might  be problematic...  With a single story house 
modifications to the structure can be much easier than a two story 
building...

I'll think on it a bit... perhaps my crusty old brain will find a cell or two 
that might still be firing   Over the years I've been in on so many 
different moving projects...  the worst was a commercial wood furnice (solid 
cast iron) that we had to raise 9 feet into the air to remove it from the 
building it was in so we could move the thing to its new home...  There were 
only three of us working on that project...  and I was much younger 

Keep me in the loop on this one...  

73
vince
ka1iic






On Saturday 02 December 2006 09:08, Rick Brashear wrote:
> Vince,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion of moving the transmitter into the shack
> through a window.  However, the RCA BTA-1R2 is not in modules.  It is a
> 7' tall 32" wide (at the most narrow point), 1500 pound commercial
> broadcast transmitter.  The modulation and power supply transformers and
> chokes are sitting in the bottom of the cabinet and can easily be
> removed.  However, you're still looking at several hundred pounds
> cabinet and other components.  It might be possible to get it through a
> window, however, the window would have to be taken completely out, so it
> would likely require as much if not more work than to take the door
> casing out.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick/K5IZ
>
> Vince Werber wrote:
> >Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might
> > try...
> >
> >First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight...
> >  I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...)
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Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting <<< oh yeah... I forgot...

[Vince Werber]

A useful tool... a 'come-a-long' helps an awful lot when you are short of man 
power...  and have more pieces of carpet to save the finish of the 
enclosure...

73
vince
ka1iic



On Thursday 30 November 2006 23:42, Vince Werber wrote:
> Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might try...
>
> First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight... 
> I would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) first and move them as
> separate units...  that will reduce the weight problem quite a bit...
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Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting

[Vince Werber]

Forgive me if I made things worse but seriously here is what I might try...

First off the mod deck and power supply decks will have the most weight...  I 
would pull them out (it is rack mounted I hope...) first and move them as 
separate units...  that will reduce the weight problem quite a bit...

As for the rack enclosure...  I don't remember how wide you said it was but 
use some very strong ply wood to form a bridge from ground level or truck 
level to your house opening...  before putting the enclosure on its side have 
ready some strips of old carpeting lay it down on the plywood with the fuzzy 
side down and the rubber backing up so it will go against the enclosure...  
this will help with pushing the thing around... less friction...

When you get the enclosure into your house remember that this enclosure must 
have rear doors as well as front doors so don't plan on pushing it up against 
a wall... you will need the space of the width of the rear doors plus a 
little extra so you can get into the back of it to work on it if needed...  
and if you push it flush against the wall you will need to get into those 
doors... been there done that...

Make absolutely sure your floor stringers can handle the extra weight...  if 
not you will need to build up some extra support before the rig 'settles in' 
so to speak...

I'm sure I have forgot something but if you have questions you may do it on 
list or direct...  I have moved a few 'really big rigs' in years past...

73
vince
ka1iic



On Friday 01 December 2006 22:40, John Lawson wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > duh ...consider using a window.  Sometimes the window opening
> > is wider than  the door opening.  klc
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Re: [AMRadio] Transmitter fitting

[Vince Werber]

I guess I lucked out... this incredibly old house I live in have French 
doors...  double doors... three feet wide times two!... I didn't have any 
problem getting the box grand piano in...


Of course I was thinking boatanchors when I saw those doors...  the XYL 
saw them totally different...



73
vince
ka1iic



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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Rick Brashear wrote:

to impossible to work on it there.  So, I am going to have to remove at 
least one door casing (yes, I said casing) to get it inside.  I live in an 
older



 For why else you think God made Sawzalls?

put a 15" demo blade in that sucker and get to rippin' !!!


 Then, you can get a pre-fab 36" door set complete with casement, jambs, 
hardware and shims  some moulding and a little paint



  Cheers

John  KB6SCO

Who's BigBox is going in the garage with the rest of the Gear...

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Re: [AMRadio] Ranger... good news, bad news

[Vince Werber]

If you are considering high level modulation on the 6146's you might want 
to change the screen resistor to...  generally speaking commercial ham 
units use screen resistors to small in value for proper modulation 
characteristics...


Check it out for yourself... dig out a tube manual and plug the values 
into the formulas and you get a much better screen resistor value...


Just a thought...

But Larry is right... use the lower values in the way he mentioned...  The 
screen resistor???  I might have got that from Timtron too many years 
ago... ??? 


73
vince

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This is the Timtron-approved way of doing it, and I can vouch for it, as it 
has worked well for me.


73/GL,
-Larry/NE1S
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Re: [AMRadio] K1MAN thread of discussion

[vince werber]

Correct as usual Don... Kudos!

73
vince
ka1iic



On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:31 pm, Donald Chester wrote:
> From: Brian Sherrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >What does any of this K1MAN/W1AW stuff have to do with AM discussion?
> >Let's
> >get back on track here folks.
>
> Actually, there is a connection with the AM community that hits some raw
> nerves, besides the longtime QRM to the AM window caused by his 3890 kc
> "bulletins."  Back in the 1980's during the FCC's AM power proceeding,
> K1MAN filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the FCC's decision. 
> There was supposed to have been a 7-year grandfather period under the old
> power rule, after which the FCC had promised to "reconsider, if there is
> any
> justification to do so."
>
> During a discussion of the issue with ARRL officials, Dave Sumner mentioned
> that K1MAN's lawsuit had "hardened the FCC's position," and he thought it
> would be very difficult to get them to change their minds at that point.
>
> When they went to court, Baxter totally blew the case, according to other
> AM'ers in attendance.  He acted as his own attorney, and during the court
> proceedings got completely sidetracked onto some tangent about his disaster
> relief efforts with I.A.R.N. following the Mexico City earthquake (which
> had absolutely nothing to do with the AM power issue).  The judge ruled in
> favor of the FCC, saying that the court was routinely "deferring to the
> expertise" of the regulatory agency (the FCC).
>
> Afterwards, I attended an FCC Forum at Dayton, where Johnny Johnston was
> presiding at the Q-A session.  I posed the question, if the FCC was
> planning to follow up on its stated commitment to reconsider the AM power
> issue at the end of the grandfather period, in 1990.  Johnston's reply:
> "You took us to court, remember?"  When I pointed out that it was K1MAN who
> took the FCC to court, Johnston's replay was, "As far as I'm concerned, it
> was the amateur community who took us to court.  That's an issue that got
> caught up in 'circumstances'."
>
> The historic AM power limit may have very well fallen victim to a petty ego
> struggle between Johnston and his hinchmen at the FCC, and K1MAN.
>
> >I've already had two people leave the list
> >today.
>
> If someone left the list over something so trivial as that one thread of
> discussion, they must be pretty thin-skinned.  I doubt if they were
> contributing very much anyway.  We're probably better off without them.  Is
> the "delete" button broken on their computer?
>
> Don K4KYV
>
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Re: [AMRadio] possible interference coming up

[vince werber]

I've never had any problems with my Fender 'silver face' Super reverb but 
then...  It's an old tube amp...  and I only use a 'fuzzface' and a 
'Wahwah'...  Most likely this would be solid state stuff... but perhaps 
not...  What kind of amps are being used???

73
vince
ka1iic



On Tuesday 04 April 2006 08:22 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> I have a neighbour about 150 feet away from the end of my dipole, not
> broadside.
>
> He is not currently active with his electric guitars, but soon will be.
>
> He has all sorts of foot pedals wired in series to a couple of amplifiers
> at each end of his music room.
>
> I feel it is interference waiting to happen.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I to expect to QRM him?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan
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Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined

[vince werber]

I don't know of any time limit but there are clear rules regarding station 
ID's and having control operators on site during a broadcast...

What really ended it for me was when K1MAN started sending out those so called 
'felony complaint affidavites'...  K1MAN has been told by a number of Federal 
department NOT to do that...  He was even warned by Federal Attorneys outside 
of the Commission to stop it but he insisted on it so...  That is a character 
issue sure but it sure makes ham radio look foolish in the eyes of the 
world...

I will be happy to see this resolved, over and done with.  It's been going on 
for 15 + years and just because of the amount of time involved it doesn't 
make it right.  As Amateurs we are suppose to 'self police' to a degree...  
In this case anyone that dared question these actions generally end up in 
court...  He would sue people for disagreeing with him...  He generally lost 
but it was a real effective intimidation tool for K1MAN...

Rules are rules and it's about time the FCC did show that they have enough 
interest in Amateur radio to keep it from becoming another CB FUBAR...  And 
that was the way it was going before the recent crackdown...  

I will never defend a person that acts contrary to any hobby. service etc that 
I enjoy...  and as for emergency communications are concerned... I have seen 
no evidence that K1MAN has worked in any emergency situation for over 10 
years...  But then he did say he was 'the most experienced in emergency 
communications'...  Proving the is no end to a pompus windbag...

If that offends folks well... what can I say...  I sure won't say I'm sorry...  
at least not sorry for enforcement but I am very sorry it took so long

But if anyone doesn't agree... it's a free country...  K1MAN didn't allow 
disagreement tho... go figure...

73
vince


On Tuesday 04 April 2006 03:29 pm, Brian Carling wrote:
> Pete what is the FCC rule regarding Bulletins being limited
> to ten minutes on amateur radio, please?
>
> > No Mike, I would not expect you to visit the ARRL site for any
> > information.
> >
> > "One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands"
> > In a 24 hour period, the W1AW  bulletin transmissions generally last 10
> > to 15 minutes or less. There are 3 Code Bulletins, 2 RTTY Bulletins, and
> > 1 Phone Bulletin on the major HF bands. The rest of the W1AW
> > transmissions are generally designated for Code Practice.
> >
> > This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90
> > minutes or more, depending upon the accuracy of his Radio Shack timer.
> > W1AW and K1MAN are not in the same league of information bulletin
> > disseminators.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:29:51 -0500 "Mike Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > writes:
> > > No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web
> > > site for
> > > their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not
> > > (nor do
> > > I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: "I
> > > don't
> > > have a rule book in front of  me but I thought that one-way
> > > transmissions,
> > > in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came
> > > up."
> > > Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully.
> > > Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with
> > > their
> > > one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if
> > > it is
> > > in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that
> > > is
> > > intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you
> > > cite. Their
> > > best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just
> > > outside
> > > of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone.
> > > Mod-U-Lator,
> > > Mike(y)
> > > W3SLK
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Peter Markavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
> > >
> > >
> > > Slk said, " As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their
> > > reports
> > > or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses)
> > > schedule."
> > >
> > > Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether
> > > you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and
> > > frequencies are
> > > available off the their web site.
> > >
> > > One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands.
> > >
> > > See 97.111 (b)(6)
> > >  97.111 Authorized transmissions.
> > >  (b)  In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized
> > > elsewhere in this Part, an amateur  station may transmit the
> > > following
> > > types of one-way communications:
> > >
> > > (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the
> > > station;
> > >  (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way
> > > communications with  other stations;
> > >  (3) Telecommand

Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined

[vince werber]

Let's face the facts about this K1MAN issue...  He never provided code 
practice to the best of my knowledge ever, only endless voice material AND... 
It appears he wasn't acting as a control operator at the control point AND it 
appears he wasn't meeting the proper ID at the proper times...  and he 
refused to provide material requested by the Commission about the control 
issue ... (not to mention the apparent interfering with on-going QSO's... 
including a Boy Scout special events station...  and others...)

These are obvious violations of the rules...  I am sure if I had done any of 
this I would take the fine and pay the thing or just go away... and I fully 
would expect to get fined if I ever did violate the above...

I also fully understand that scofflaws think the rules are for everyone else 
and NOT them...

In this case K1MAN earned the fine...

73
Vince
ka1iic



On Monday 03 April 2006 11:40 am, Mike Sanders K0AZ wrote:

<<<>>>
 It amazes
> me at how much serious talent on this page is so very narrow minded and
> self centered.
>
> 73 and yes I will be going now.
>
>
> K0AZ  Mike Sanders
> 18169 Highway 174
> MT Vernon, Missouri 65712-9171
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: [AMRadio] Variac hook up

[Vince Werber]

hi...

The variacs I have used (Powerstat) were set up like this;


  2 ---)
   )
   )
  4 ---)
   )
   )
   ) <--- 3
   )
   )
   )
  1

But be sure you do the ohmeter tests and make sure you know where the
'variable' arm is connect...  a good 'eye' inspection should tell you
which one that is

73
Vince
ka1iic

Homeland Security?  You be the judge see:
http://w3.ime.net/~ka1iic

Re: [AMRadio] Re: NC-183D

[Vince Werber]

>From my extensive use of the NC183 I can see why they went to 6SN7 over
the 6J5 (which mine had)... the audio was on the weak side with the
original tube...

I'm sorry to say I can't be of more help, I do have a diagram of my NC183
but I wouldn't do much good for anybody...  Mine was rebuilt by a Bell
Labs engineer named Yut Seul Yee in the 60's, it was used as a lab IF
strip for VHF and UHF experiments...  It has 717's in the dual RF and a
12AU7 for a product Detector...  and then there are the mods I did...
Oh yeah...  it has 2 5881's for the audio output... :-)

73
Vince
ka1iic



On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Tommye & Jim Wilhite wrote:

> John, you and Vince raise interesting questions.  The NC 183 D that I
> own has the D on the cabinet and uses 6BA6s for the first two RF
> stages and the IF stages then uses 6BE6s for the oscillator and mixer.
> It completely matches the manual except for the phase inverter.
>
> Upon careful inspection I cannot see that it has been modified from
> the 6J5 to the 6SN7.  It uses a 6SJ7 for the first audio which
> according to the manual is correct.  Serial number is 372 1029 and not
> being familar with the serial number sequence, don't know if that is
> early or not.  Any other ideas?
>
> 73  Jim
> de W5JO

Re: [AMRadio] NC 183 D

[Vince Werber]

Are you sure it's the NC183D and not the straight NC183?
Easiest way to tell is the IF strip... on the 183 it is a single 455khz...
the 183D is dual conversion...  also the 183 uses octal based tubes only
i.e. the first and second RF is a 6SG7...
If the RF's are 6BA6's then it is the 183D
73
Vince
ka1iic


On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Tommye & Jim Wilhite wrote:

> I have a NC 183D that I need some information about.  The manual I
> downloaded from BAMA shows the phase inverter to be a 6J5.  The radio I have
> uses a 6SN7 to do that job.  I wonder if anyone has a manual with the
> diagram of the 6SN7 inverter?
>
> If so, I would like a copy and will pay copy and mailing costs.  Any help
> appreciated.
>
> 73   Jim
> de W5JO
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RE: [AMRadio] Pinout for 4CX300A's??? help?

[Vince Werber]

Yeah John that's the way I remember it but I just wanted to a bit of input
before the 'power up' :-)
73
Vince
ka1iic


On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, John E. Coleman wrote:

> I used those once for modulators and put them into standard 8 pin base
> plugs that were broken 6SN7s.  I wrapped small wire around the tabs
> weaving them back and forth with a twist and solder connection then down
> the pin of the old 6SN7 base.  They worked great and as I remember the
> fils were not connected to the cathode and were on the bottom.
>
> John, WA5BXO

[AMRadio] Pinout for 4CX300A's??? help?

[Vince Werber]

Hi all...

I can't seem to find the common 4CX300A pinouts in any of my tube
manuals...

is is (from the top down);

Plate
Screen grid
Grid
Cathode
Filament
Filament

OR
Plate
Screen grid
Grid
Cathode/filament
Filament

?

If I remember right it is the first case...
I'm almost sure but...

I've got three of the new with the sockets  Eimac jobs...

All I'm looking for is 'reassurance' :-)

73
Vince
ka1iic
p.s. I remember the fiament is 6.0 and not 6.3 volts... man it's a beach
getting old ehhh  :-)

Re: [AMRadio] Bandwidth

[Vince Werber, North Star Productions RR 2 Box 283 Pittston. Maine 04345-9414]

That's fine just as long as we all remember it was K1MAN that screwed the
1KW plate input rule...  Want to join AARA???
Give credit where credit is due...
Maybe this time he'll do away with amateur radio altogether... Remember,
big business wants our spectrum...  isn't that what k1man said?

73
ka1iic
Vince


On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Charles Ring wrote:
>
> After what happened to 1KW plate input AM as a sneakily inserted side effect 
> of
> changing over to a RF output power limit, it'a only too easy to believe that 
> AM
> could be killed off along with the splattering slopbuckets with identical 
> logic.
> Law is a weapon.
>
> 73 de W3NU
>
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