Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "jeremy-ca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ben Dover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > Aurora CW is fun on 6M. Especially when you link up to Es or F2 (not for a > few more years). Ive worked Alaska from NH on what is believed to have been > an AU link to double hop E. You should be in an excellent location for AU. > > Ive worked coast to coast, South America and Europe on regular E and F skip > AM, its a blast! Im also in a CH 2 area but with 99% of the town probably on > cable Ive had no complaints at 120W on AM or 1200W on CW/SSB. > > Carl > KM1H > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ben Dover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > > > Howdy, Ellen! > > > > Yeah... I know that there at least USED to be a bunch in the > > Milwaukee area that kept 6 meter AM hopping, but I've never heard > > them here, so I assume they're now defunct. > > > > I've always been intrigued by 6 meters... even back when I was in > > Chicago, a channel 2 area!!! I can say from personal experience that > > if you fire up on 6 in Chicago, you're gonna get something like the > > final scene in the movie version of Frankenstein; the villagers, all > > carrying torches and pitchforks, are gonna storm the place by night, > > intent on destroying the monster!!! <> > > > > One of the things that I've LONG been intending to do... set up here > > to work auroral DX on CW. Gathering dust is a pretty decent Heathkit > > Seneca, a low band Motorola base station power amp (single 4CX250), > > and an Ameco 6 meter converter (the Nuvistor version). Also, in the > > rafters of the garage is a 20 foot length of 2" OD aluminum pipe from > > an irrigation system (It'd make a GREAT boom for a 3 element 6 meter > > Yagi!). > > > > As it is... all I have actually working now is the Gonset hooked to > > a J-pole. > > > > Mr. T., W9LBB > > Hi Tom & Carl, Yep AU is a blast on 6 & 2m on CW. It's almost impossible to do AU on AM (and difficult do to AU on SSB), due to doppler distortion from the auroral curtain. The only time it's really possible, is if you get auroral Es, then it gets nice & clear signalwise & then you can rock on AM. Auroral Es virtually never happens on 2m. A little off the line of thought, but Tom, my frustration is 2m AM. I went to the Oak Creek (a Milwaukee 'burb) Swapfest in August. It's where I got my FT-620B for peanuts. It was my kind of swapfest (tubes galore, tons of old rigs, including a CE-100, SX-28, HQ-129, etc.). I was orely tempted to buy one of the several Clegg 22ers at the swapfest. They were all going for chump change (as in 30-35 dollars). But as in 6m AM, there is virtually no 2m AM activity around here. The nearest 2m AM net I know of, is in eastern Michigan. So, as much as I hated to, I had to pass on the temptation. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Aurora CW is fun on 6M. Especially when you link up to Es or F2 (not for a few more years). Ive worked Alaska from NH on what is believed to have been an AU link to double hop E. You should be in an excellent location for AU. Ive worked coast to coast, South America and Europe on regular E and F skip AM, its a blast! Im also in a CH 2 area but with 99% of the town probably on cable Ive had no complaints at 120W on AM or 1200W on CW/SSB. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: "Ben Dover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Howdy, Ellen! Yeah... I know that there at least USED to be a bunch in the Milwaukee area that kept 6 meter AM hopping, but I've never heard them here, so I assume they're now defunct. I've always been intrigued by 6 meters... even back when I was in Chicago, a channel 2 area!!! I can say from personal experience that if you fire up on 6 in Chicago, you're gonna get something like the final scene in the movie version of Frankenstein; the villagers, all carrying torches and pitchforks, are gonna storm the place by night, intent on destroying the monster!!! <> One of the things that I've LONG been intending to do... set up here to work auroral DX on CW. Gathering dust is a pretty decent Heathkit Seneca, a low band Motorola base station power amp (single 4CX250), and an Ameco 6 meter converter (the Nuvistor version). Also, in the rafters of the garage is a 20 foot length of 2" OD aluminum pipe from an irrigation system (It'd make a GREAT boom for a 3 element 6 meter Yagi!). As it is... all I have actually working now is the Gonset hooked to a J-pole. Mr. T., W9LBB -Original Message- From: Ellen Rugowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Nov 22, 2007 7:04 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: "Thomas Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power (which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more than say "Hi and good-bye." 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Howdy, Ellen! Yeah... I know that there at least USED to be a bunch in the Milwaukee area that kept 6 meter AM hopping, but I've never heard them here, so I assume they're now defunct. I've always been intrigued by 6 meters... even back when I was in Chicago, a channel 2 area!!! I can say from personal experience that if you fire up on 6 in Chicago, you're gonna get something like the final scene in the movie version of Frankenstein; the villagers, all carrying torches and pitchforks, are gonna storm the place by night, intent on destroying the monster!!! <> One of the things that I've LONG been intending to do... set up here to work auroral DX on CW. Gathering dust is a pretty decent Heathkit Seneca, a low band Motorola base station power amp (single 4CX250), and an Ameco 6 meter converter (the Nuvistor version). Also, in the rafters of the garage is a 20 foot length of 2" OD aluminum pipe from an irrigation system (It'd make a GREAT boom for a 3 element 6 meter Yagi!). As it is... all I have actually working now is the Gonset hooked to a J-pole. Mr. T., W9LBB -Original Message- >From: Ellen Rugowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 22, 2007 7:04 PM >To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > >- Original Message - >From: "Thomas Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > >> >> Wish I could say the same here. >> >> I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years >> now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow >> Civil Defense paint job! ;o) >> >> >> Mr. T., W9LBB > >I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a >workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, >which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power >(which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few >locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 >is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m >AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much >power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid >square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more >than say "Hi and good-bye." > >73, >Ellen - AF9J > >__ >Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >AMRadio mailing list >List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html >Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > Ellen Rugowski wrote: > >> That's probably gonna work out real well for ya, seeing as how 120' > >> is a half-wave on 75m (3.9Mc) > >> > > > > It usually does. But due to the high impedance, it's one of the things that > > drove me to a roller inductor tuner. I just wish it was up higher. > > You'll like the Viking II, then... the roller inductor in it will allow > you to match from around 30 to 250ohms. > > Who cares what the SWR is on the feedline. a 1/2wave into the rig will > be fine. Load the thing up and see how it does, once you get the plate > cap for the other 6146 (you could always take the one off of the Scout, > for the time being, seeing as how you'll have a replacement in the mail, > soon). > Ummm, actually the plate cap I'm waiting for, is for one of my 807s. But Ill say this - you're tempting me to do just that. I'll think about it. Mail arrives here at 2:30 PM. Rodger, WQ9E, lives about 170 miles southwest of me. He mialed it out on Tuesday or Wednesday. If the US Mial is effieicnt, it should arrive today. If it isn't I probably will yank one of the plate cap clips from the Scout, since I probably won't see the mailed plate cap clip until Monday. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Rugowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Ellen Rugowski wrote: >> What do you plan to use with the Viking II? >> > > Basically the same thing I used during this last 6m E-season, my HF antenna > (which is basically a 125 ft random wire), with a tuner. That's probably gonna work out real well for ya, seeing as how 120' is a half-wave on 75m (3.9Mc) It usually does. But due to the high impdeance, it's one of the things that drive me to a roller inductor tuner. I just wish it was up higher. 73, Ellen - AF9J Time to get creative if you have the room. Try paralleling a 1/4 wave or other lengths to force the feed point impedance down. Even run at right angles to fill in the pattern. The Johnson will directly load a very wide range of loads; Ive done strange ones with my Viking I (basically the same rig, different final). There is also a free version of Eznec if you want to play on the PC first. Carl KM1H __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Ellen Rugowski wrote: That's probably gonna work out real well for ya, seeing as how 120' is a half-wave on 75m (3.9Mc) It usually does. But due to the high impdeance, it's one of the things that drive me to a roller inductor tuner. I just wish it was up higher. You'll like the Viking II, then... the roller inductor in it will allow you to match from around 30 to 250ohms. Who cares what the SWR is on the feedline. a 1/2wave into the rig will be fine. Load the thing up and see how it does, once you get the plate cap for the other 6146 (you could always take the one off of the Scout, for the time being, seeing as how you'll have a replacement in the mail, soon). -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > Ellen Rugowski wrote: > >> What do you plan to use with the Viking II? > >> > > > > Basically the same thing I used during this last 6m E-season, my HF antenna > > (which is basically a 125 ft random wire), with a tuner. > > That's probably gonna work out real well for ya, seeing as how 120' is a > half-wave on 75m (3.9Mc) > It usually does. But due to the high impdeance, it's one of the things that drive me to a roller inductor tuner. I just wish it was up higher. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Ellen Rugowski wrote: What do you plan to use with the Viking II? Basically the same thing I used during this last 6m E-season, my HF antenna (which is basically a 125 ft random wire), with a tuner. That's probably gonna work out real well for ya, seeing as how 120' is a half-wave on 75m (3.9Mc) -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I personaly dont want to spend loads of time tuning all over many bands to find an AM qso. I LIKE just tuning around 3870 to 3890 maybe and 7285 on up, if nothings on, i can call cq or do something else, cant say I want to tune the entire 80 and 40 meter bands every time I turn the radios on. Brett N2DTS - Original Message - From: "Ellen Rugowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > - Original Message - > From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > > > 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 > > is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating > > ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When > > the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals > > of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on > > 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else > > down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? > > 73 = Best Regards, > > -Geoff/W5OMR > > > > As some of you know, I now have a Viking II. I also have the VFO to use > with it. I was already heading in the direction mentioned above myself. > I'm hoping to do, like I did this last summer, when 10 & 6 were open - > announce what freq. I will be on via this reflector and/or the AMfone group > (in this case, below 3700), and start calling CQ. Like Don says, we have to > get out of the ghetto. I get the feeling that all too often AMers only want > to hang out on the traditional 75 & 40m freqs. I'd love to do 15m AM. > There's tons of open space above 21.4 MHz, and 15 is open during the day, > more often than you think. There's also a lot of open space above 1900 kc, > and in my case, 160 is often quieter than 75 is. > > 73 & I don't mean anything nasty - just some food for thought > Ellen - AF9J > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "jeremy-ca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > What do you plan to use with the Viking II? Several wire antennas and > verticals will work quite well with a tuner. A 80M dipole will work very > well with a zillion lobes and equal a small yagi in some directions; > requires a tuner. > > Carl Basically the same thing I used during this last 6m E-season, my HF antenna (which is basically a 125 ft random wire), with a tuner. It worked weel when Sporadic E was happening. Without it, about 35 miles top for range (too omnidirectional on 6m). 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Rugowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the extended groundwave region. I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, dirt simple to build. The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. Carl KM1H True. On 2m, I used to regularly work out 130miles or so with 25W and a 3 el HB quad. But, living in an apartment, I aint gots the space for a 3-el yagi. 73, Ellen P.S. - I wish I could do a 6m V-beam again What do you plan to use with the Viking II? Several wire antennas and verticals will work quite well with a tuner. A 80M dipole will work very well with a zillion lobes and equal a small yagi in some directions; requires a tuner. Carl __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - > > Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the > extended groundwave region. > > I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they > have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, > dirt simple to build. > > The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a > few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 > or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF > actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. > > Carl > KM1H True. On 2m, I used to regularly work out 130miles or so with 25W and a 3 el HB quad. But, living in an apartment, I aint gots the space for a 3-el yagi. 73, Ellen P.S. - I wish I could do a 6m V-beam again __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Rugowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: "Thomas Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power (which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more than say "Hi and good-bye." 73, Ellen - AF9J Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the extended groundwave region. I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, dirt simple to build. The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. Carl KM1H _ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Thomas Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > Wish I could say the same here. > > I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years > now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow > Civil Defense paint job! ;o) > > > Mr. T., W9LBB I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power (which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more than say "Hi and good-bye." 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
>>> Evening AM activity is pretty decent in some areas on 50.4. Often several Q's going on +/-. I run a Clegg Zeus at 120W out and Interceptor rcvr to a HB 8el at 60'. I have a good 100-150 mile range under dead band condx; much more to a similiary equipped station. Carl KM1H <<< Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Rugowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Wilhite wrote: > According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, > at > any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different > QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table > that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is > fairly unmanageable. Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. Jim Isbell Oh I don't know Jim, I do 6m AM (I have a Yaesu FT-620B for the job), as does Mark, K3MSB and a few others. 73, Ellen - AF9J Evening AM activity is pretty decent in some areas on 50.4. Often several Q's going on +/-. I run a Clegg Zeus at 120W out and Interceptor rcvr to a HB 8el at 60'. I have a good 100-150 mile range under dead band condx; much more to a similiary equipped station. Carl KM1H __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Jim Isbell, W5JAI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim Wilhite wrote: > > > According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at > > any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different > > QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table > > that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is > > fairly unmanageable. > > Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume > all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability > is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. > > Jim Isbell Oh I don't know Jim, I do 6m AM (I have a Yaesu FT-620B for the job), as does Mark, K3MSB and a few others. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
A few years ago I gave out over 150 ARRL VHF Contest Q's on 6M using a Clegg Zeus and an old Tapetone converter into a NC-300. Not one person complained even when I was holding one frequency and running a pileup. I operate SSB, CW, NBFM, AM, and WSJT. I have absolutely no respect for the narrow minded type that cant tolerate something that they either dont care for or are technically unfit to understand or use. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: "A.R.S. - WA5AM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams On Nov 22, 2007 11:29 AM, W7CE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the > other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other > modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that > makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a > vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way > around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war > will ever end. > > 73 > Brian / wa5am > __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 & 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). Great comments Clay! I can't express how much I agree with your statements. Don/KYV, has also pointed out some very important happenings that I hear on a daily basis. It is a no win situation if we, as AM ops, mimic the few SSB ops that harass us, QRM us, or attempt to "own" a frequency. It is against the law to "knowingly" stomp on a QSO in progress, regardless if it is AM or SSB, and regardless of where it happens to be. The problem with too many AM'ers is that they think they MUST stay in the so called AM Window in order to operate AM! Not so! We are letting this problem get the best of us, as if we have this need to "protect" this 10kcs, or so of the band. Let it the hell go! Move about anywhere "phone" is allowed, just mind a reasonable bandwidth, be a gentleman and all will be good. Ignore the hecklers Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Back in the late 1980s and early to middle 1990s we had some big round-tables, both on 75M and 160M. Stations from several states were present. On more than one evening, we had stations from AK, HI, MO, most of the western states, and even Texas (wherever that is). I like your idea. I might even drag myself out of my EME chair and fire-up the HT4-B and SX28-A. 73, Barrie, W7ALW Jim/W5JO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I would be interested Brad N7RCA formerly KB7FQR It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Jim/W5JO __ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Wilhite wrote: > According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at > any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different > QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table > that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is > fairly unmanageable. Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. Jim Isbell "If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space." __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Amen Brother Clay... Amen!! 73 Mark K3MSB On 11/22/07, W7CE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, > but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or > possibly broader range of interests. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Jim Wilhite wrote: It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is fairly unmanageable. Then, there's those of us (raising my 'guilty' hand) that get confused as to what the oder is, in what Otis/K5SWK calls a 'bikini sized group' (3 stations) ;-) Not that having 100 different AM QSO's on the air at one time is a -bad- thing, but I don't see the possibility of it happening, and still be able promote peace and good will towards other amateurs and existing QSO's, regardless of mode. Looking forward to my 'turkey induced coma' in about 2 hours, from now :-) ~ What am I thankful for? I am thankful for "Today". Today (G.Edmonson) Today, I was able to wake up, walk, talk and bitch about things I can not change. Today, I am too blessed to be stressed. Everyday of Freedom, is a GOOD day to Thank a Veteran! Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. ~ -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Jim/W5JO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Unfortunately, this is too common. I recently heard two of the AM regulars in TX on 3880 switch to lsb while one was diagnosing a phasing audio issue. (Probably a CE rig) Their discussion was technically very interesting. After about 5 minutes, another AM regular started calling cq on AM, on top of the first two, while complaining about AM'ers being on ssb "in the window". Another AM regular joined in on the "complaint". The two guys working on the audio problem switched back to AM and one of them apologized for their transgression. The other left. The conversation then went to on what they were eating and had done that day. :/ I'm sorry. Trying to impose this "AM only in window, SSB only outside the window" on others is arrogant and misguided. Like others have said, use common sense and courtesy. Be aware of our transmitted bandwidth in relation to *existing* qso's around us. Use all the band resources we have available or the FCC may someday agree with those who dislike AM, that we don't really need them. I've really been enjoying working folks down south on 3705, N.E. on 3715, 3725 and everywhere else lately. Seems like the activity is picking up again after the rush of the band expansion. Looking forward to hearing more signals there as the band quiets down this winter. --- Thanks to all the men and women who were killed. maimed, lost family members and friends and made untold sacrifices for the Freedom and prosperity we enjoy today. 73' & Happy Thanksgiving, Kent/KX5KW On Thursday 22 November 2007 11:29:28 am D. Chester wrote: > I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB > operators when it comes to claiming "ownership" of certain > frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the > Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers > actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to > QSY because they in the "AM Window". To me, that's no different > from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming > ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM > operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a > couple of kc/s away from an ongoing "slopbucket" QSO. When we > conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly > the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. > ... __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
You are absolutely correct Don. Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies (especially when our contemporaries like to belch and be beligerent while operating) On a few occasions, where SSBer's were QRMing us, someone would go on sideband and let them know. We've had some positive experiences where the SSBer would tune his rice box on AM and state something to the fact that they haven't been on AM in years. Ultimately, in the end they would sign stating they thoroughly enjoyed the QSO and intend to operate AM more often. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB operators when it comes to claiming "ownership" of certain frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to QSY because they in the "AM Window". To me, that's no different from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a couple of kc/s away from an ongoing "slopbucket" QSO. When we conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. But by the same token, I refuse to recognise Dead Air Groups. If 3892, 3878, the macaroni, AM Window or any other "owned" frequency happens to be clear, it becomes fair game for anyone to occupy. If I fire up nearby, then the frequency is in use - by me! If you are queued up in front of the service window inside the bank, and you step away to take care of other personal business, you don't return to your old spot when you finish. You go back to the end of the line and start waiting for your turn all over again. The best way to handle the frequency issue is to open your receiver to a comfortable selectivity, considering band conditions at the time. Then try to find a spot where you hear minimal QRM with the receiver set at that selectivity, and settle in on that frequency. Preferably, you would have some means of adjusting transmitter frequency response so that you could adjust your occupied bandwidth to coincide with your receiver selectivity. No point in transmitting audio out to 8 kc/s (total bandwidth 16 kc/s), when the band is so crowded that no-one is going be listening on a receiver that is set for more than 6 kc/s of selectivity. I have two passive low-pass audio filters in my transmitter audio chain. One gives a gradual cutoff above 5 kc/s, so that everything is gone past 7.5 kc/s. The other has a very sharp cutoff at 3400~. At 3300~ there is less than a dB of attenuation, but at 3500~ not enough signal gets through for the modulation to be detectable on the scope. Those filters are surplus items I picked up at different times, that had accumulated in my junkbox. Similar filters can be found at hamfests and other sources, or even homebuilt. There is quite a bit of data available on active filters that are easy to build. Even a good graphic equaliser could be made to serve. When activity on the band is light, I usually employ the 5 kc/s filter, but when I have to cut the receiver down to 4 or 6 kc/s bandpass to find a clear spot, I try to remember to switch in the 3400~ audio filter. I rarely switch the filter unit out altogether, since my transmitter's response is flat well past 11 kc/s. Another thing I find irritating, which discourages me from operating in the Ghetto, is that AM stations will sometimes fire up within 4 or 5 kc/s of each other. It is physically impossible to operate that close together without some sideband overlap. Better to spread at least 7 kc/s apart whenever possible. When the band is congested, I can usually copy fairly comfortably when when another AM station with a clean signal is only 5 kc/s away, using the 6 kc mechanical filter, but at only 4 kc/s away, I have to use the 4 or even 3.1 filter, and tune slightly to one side. There is no reason to have to do that when there are unused frequencies nearby. When I start up on a clear frequency, and after my QSO is firmly established, a SSB group knowingly starts up only 2 kc/s away and then proceeds to gripe about the AM QRM, I am stubborn enough for that to make me feel more determined than ever to stay put. If they can put up with my splatter, I can tolerate theirs. Besides, the AM signal I am trying to copy has two sidebands - sort of a diversity reception situation. Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence. Don k4kyv __ __ Our
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "W7CE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > > > > Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the > > other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other > > modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that > > makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a > > vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way > > around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war > > will ever end. > > > > 73 > > Brian / wa5am > > __ > > > I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 & 2M EME. > I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is > a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the > majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as > slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern > SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't > understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently > I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them > for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, > but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or > possibly broader range of interests. > > For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website > at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, > and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor > roadtrips). > > 73, > Clay W7CE > Brian & Clay, I'm the same way. I do VHF/UHF weak signal stuff. I've dabbled in digital (not my favorite mode, but it's like pickels are for me - I don't usually want to eat one, but when I want to eat one, I REALLY want to). I also do CW, & SSB (although I prefer AM to SSB). I'm not a mode snob. It would be boring if we all only like to eat vanilla ice cream, or operate only 1 radio mode. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 11:29 AM, W7CE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the > > other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other > > modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that > > makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a > > vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way > > around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war > > will ever end. > > > > 73 > > Brian / wa5am > > __ > > > I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 & 2M EME. > I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is > a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the > majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as > slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern > SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't > understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently > I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them > for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, > but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or > possibly broader range of interests. > > For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website > at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, > and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor > roadtrips). > Great comments Clay! I can't express how much I agree with your statements. Don/KYV, has also pointed out some very important happenings that I hear on a daily basis. It is a no win situation if we, as AM ops, mimic the few SSB ops that harass us, QRM us, or attempt to "own" a frequency. It is against the law to "knowingly" stomp on a QSO in progress, regardless if it is AM or SSB, and regardless of where it happens to be. The problem with too many AM'ers is that they think they MUST stay in the so called AM Window in order to operate AM! Not so! We are letting this problem get the best of us, as if we have this need to "protect" this 10kcs, or so of the band. Let it the hell go! Move about anywhere "phone" is allowed, just mind a reasonable bandwidth, be a gentleman and all will be good. Ignore the hecklers Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
D. Chester wrote: Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. /But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence./ THIS is key (IM[not-so]HO) to keeping the 'war' to a minimum! When the antagonist/jammer doesn't get the response they want from their target, they simply go find another target, and yet another 'on-air argument' is thwarted. Very classy, Don! Bravo! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 & 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). 73, Clay W7CE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB operators when it comes to claiming "ownership" of certain frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to QSY because they in the "AM Window". To me, that's no different from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a couple of kc/s away from an ongoing "slopbucket" QSO. When we conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. But by the same token, I refuse to recognise Dead Air Groups. If 3892, 3878, the macaroni, AM Window or any other "owned" frequency happens to be clear, it becomes fair game for anyone to occupy. If I fire up nearby, then the frequency is in use - by me! If you are queued up in front of the service window inside the bank, and you step away to take care of other personal business, you don't return to your old spot when you finish. You go back to the end of the line and start waiting for your turn all over again. The best way to handle the frequency issue is to open your receiver to a comfortable selectivity, considering band conditions at the time. Then try to find a spot where you hear minimal QRM with the receiver set at that selectivity, and settle in on that frequency. Preferably, you would have some means of adjusting transmitter frequency response so that you could adjust your occupied bandwidth to coincide with your receiver selectivity. No point in transmitting audio out to 8 kc/s (total bandwidth 16 kc/s), when the band is so crowded that no-one is going be listening on a receiver that is set for more than 6 kc/s of selectivity. I have two passive low-pass audio filters in my transmitter audio chain. One gives a gradual cutoff above 5 kc/s, so that everything is gone past 7.5 kc/s. The other has a very sharp cutoff at 3400~. At 3300~ there is less than a dB of attenuation, but at 3500~ not enough signal gets through for the modulation to be detectable on the scope. Those filters are surplus items I picked up at different times, that had accumulated in my junkbox. Similar filters can be found at hamfests and other sources, or even homebuilt. There is quite a bit of data available on active filters that are easy to build. Even a good graphic equaliser could be made to serve. When activity on the band is light, I usually employ the 5 kc/s filter, but when I have to cut the receiver down to 4 or 6 kc/s bandpass to find a clear spot, I try to remember to switch in the 3400~ audio filter. I rarely switch the filter unit out altogether, since my transmitter's response is flat well past 11 kc/s. Another thing I find irritating, which discourages me from operating in the Ghetto, is that AM stations will sometimes fire up within 4 or 5 kc/s of each other. It is physically impossible to operate that close together without some sideband overlap. Better to spread at least 7 kc/s apart whenever possible. When the band is congested, I can usually copy fairly comfortably when when another AM station with a clean signal is only 5 kc/s away, using the 6 kc mechanical filter, but at only 4 kc/s away, I have to use the 4 or even 3.1 filter, and tune slightly to one side. There is no reason to have to do that when there are unused frequencies nearby. When I start up on a clear frequency, and after my QSO is firmly established, a SSB group knowingly starts up only 2 kc/s away and then proceeds to gripe about the AM QRM, I am stubborn enough for that to make me feel more determined than ever to stay put. If they can put up with my splatter, I can tolerate theirs. Besides, the AM signal I am trying to copy has two sidebands - sort of a diversity reception situation. Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Carl KM1H I couldn't agree more. Non-DX contacts should avoid the DX window. For AM that probably means avoiding 3780 to 3805. That said, there have been a few DX AM QSOs being made in or near the 80M DX window. I know one West Coast ham who plans on trying to make a long path contact to Europe on AM. I don't have a problem with a special event like that. I need to get the 20V2 conversion finished so that I can try it too. 73, Clay W7CE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 > is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating > ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When > the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals > of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on > 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else > down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? > 73 = Best Regards, > -Geoff/W5OMR > As some of you know, I now have a Viking II. I also have the VFO to use with it. I was already heading in the direction mentioned above myself. I'm hoping to do, like I did this last summer, when 10 & 6 were open - announce what freq. I will be on via this reflector and/or the AMfone group (in this case, below 3700), and start calling CQ. Like Don says, we have to get out of the ghetto. I get the feeling that all too often AMers only want to hang out on the traditional 75 & 40m freqs. I'd love to do 15m AM. There's tons of open space above 21.4 MHz, and 15 is open during the day, more often than you think. There's also a lot of open space above 1900 kc, and in my case, 160 is often quieter than 75 is. 73 & I don't mean anything nasty - just some food for thought Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
jeremy-ca wrote: I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Any frequency you're licensed for, is available to operate any mode you prefer. 3.705 to 3.725 at night, is a great place for AM, so is below 3.700Mc. DX doesn't -always- just hang out in one particular spot, although that's where you find a lot of 'em. AM doesn't have to hang out in one particular spot, either. That's just where most of us have gathered for a while. I'm glad to see AM spreading out throughout the band. No longer are we relegated to a particular set of frequencies. It's not like we're 'gathered in one pen' to be systematically slaughtered. I never liked fences, anyway. Happy Thanksgiving Day, y'all. Gobble till ya wobble! :-) -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
-Original Message- >From: "Robert A. Poff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 22, 2007 6:28 AM >To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams > >I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator >speaking. Agreed. I'm thinking it's just one aspect of the "Appliance Operator" syndrome; if ya can't buy it at Amateur Electronics Supply, then it just ain't right. >To them Slop-bucket is the "standard" voice mode on HF. >So it follows that anything else is evil. I've long been tempted to fire up an HF rig on the (still legal) NBFM, just to see what reaction it would get. Let's use an innocuous signal that won't stand out much... like 500 watts on 3950 KHz!!! ;o) >Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this >thinking. >His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. >And of course we need to conserve spectrum. >So AM should be outlawed. > >I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the >FM repeaters. >Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four >repeaters of that mode in >the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. >So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. >(tongue firmly implanted in cheek) > >His eloquent, well thought out response? >"But EVERYONE uses FM!" ROTFLMFAO!!! Not too surprising, really. ANY mode is an obsolete nuisance to SOMEBODY out there. Just wait until it's YOUR pet ox that gets gored!!! I wish I could still legally fire up my old rotary spark gap...;o) Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Well put, Geoff. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Pig out! Calories don't count on Turkey Day! Rick/K5IAR As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;->) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say "Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off..." how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Thanks, Geoff for these wonderful thoughts. I would love to operate below 3750 Khz but unfortunately habits are hard to break and I find myself back in the AM Window where there is activity. I thought that more AM stations would have moved down the band but it appears that we are creatures of habit. Perhaps, we are afraid of losing our window. Have a great Thanksgiving. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Mike Sawyer wrote: Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;->) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say "Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off..." how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 9:09 AM, Geoff/W5OMR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Sawyer wrote: > > Dave said > > > > This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at > > least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now > > it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those > > frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. > > > > Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of > > here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we > > chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. > > > > As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave > ;->) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams > in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree > that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- > discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that > doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. > > Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as > SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or > less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). > Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Mike Sawyer wrote: Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;->) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say "Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off..." how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. I heard Don, K4KYV, calling CQ below 3700 Khz the other day, and no one came back to him. I was too busy to call Don but what a lovely signal he had. More of us should follow Don down to this open range rather than cozy up to SSB operation throughout 75 meters. This is particularly true of some AMers who just love to irritate or harrass folks on 3892 Khz. Happy Thanksgiving Day Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: "Robert A. Poff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the "standard" voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? "But EVERYONE uses FM!" Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this "discussion" and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. I heard Don, K4KYV, calling CQ below 3700 Khz the other day, and no one came back to him. I was too busy to call Don but what a lovely signal he had. More of us should follow Don down to this open range rather than cozy up to SSB operation throughout 75 meters. This is particularly true of some AMers who just love to irritate or harrass folks on 3892 Khz. Happy Thanksgiving Day Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: "Robert A. Poff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the "standard" voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? "But EVERYONE uses FM!" Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the "standard" voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? "But EVERYONE uses FM!" Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
