[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 message + SSTV

[Alan P. Biddle]

The message and SSTV image will be "streaming" Monday evening.

Alan
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[William Leijenaar]

Hi AMSATs,
 
The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, KD8BXP. 
When the information is only from one source it is not reliable at all, every 
scientist should know. 
 
This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, for me it is just 
not clear.
I would like to see pictures from another nations satellite, in higher 
resolution. I believe we will soon know, as there are several countries wanting 
to go to the moon. I am looking forward to their pictures and the state of the 
equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film studio work :o)
 
For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my small transponder work,
Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a moon-ponder :o)
 
73
William
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[John P. Toscano]

William Leijenaar wrote:

> The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
> evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, 
> KD8BXP. When the information is only from one source it is not reliable at 
> all, every scientist should know. 
>  
> This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, for me it is just 
> not clear.

William:

If one is truly skeptical of the truth of NASA's claims to have landed 
men on the moon and brought them back to earth safely, then it is only 
natural to claim that nothing that NASA says will be accepted as proof 
of having accomplished the deed. The only thing that NASA could do to 
convince a true skeptic is to land that person on the moon and bring 
them home again. (Wouldn't that be a treat?)

On the other hand, we should be clear that NASA is *NOT* claiming that 
these pictures are "evidence that they really were there". They are 
(rightly) very proud of the extreme resolution of the pictures coming 
from the new Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), and wanted to "show 
off" how good the pictures are. Of course, they chose to image targets 
that would pique the interest of as many folks as possible. For that 
reason, choosing to show photographs of the moon landing sites surely 
fulfills the criterion of generating lots of interest.

You are certainly entitled to your disbelief. But attributing these 
photos to a claim by NASA as evidence of the moon landings is a little 
bit too negative for my taste. I think that they are fully aware of the 
fact that any "proof" they could provide would be discounted by the 
skeptics because of its source. The web pages I saw never said anything 
about offering proof of prior successful landings on the moon. They are 
simply "showing off" their latest interesting photos.

By the way, do you also believe that all of the fantastic pictures from 
the Hubble Space Telescope were created in Photoshop instead of being 
real images of far away space objects? Oh, sorry, that's a bit 
off-topic, and only a rhetorical question. No need to reply to that.

> I would like to see pictures from another nations satellite, in higher 
> resolution. I believe we will soon know, as there are several countries 
> wanting to go to the moon. I am looking forward to their pictures and the 
> state of the equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film 
> studio work :o)

I, too, would welcome more pictures! (See, it really is an interesting 
target to photograph!)

> For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my small transponder 
> work,

The AMSAT community is indeed highly indebted to you for your hard work 
in this area. Thank you very much for your efforts in making small 
linear transponders for satellites.

> Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a moon-ponder :o)

Maybe, and maybe not. But if no one ever dreams of it, it will certainly 
never come to pass. Wanting to take the journey is the very first of 
many, many steps in the journey, but one that is not optional if the 
journey is ever going to be undertaken.

73 de WØJT
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[kd8bxp]

Hello - to all and to the group

I have been having a very interesting email conversation with a gentelman, who 
truely has given me a lot to think about

This man doesn't know me from adam, and therefore I believe he is telling me 
what he personally saw - I am not going to say his name or call I don't know if 
he would want that and out of respect to him I just willnt do that.

I did tell him that I still have questions reguarding the moon walk -  but that 
I will accept what he saw as face vaule. 

And he does seem to have some knowledge on the subject - I google some of what 
he said and was able to find some of what he told me

Do I know for sure that someone walked on the moon? NO 
I would like to think Nasa and the US didn't perpetrate the biggest hoax in the 
world. But time will surely tell
I still want to see or have present something independant from Nasa - so far 
still the only source releasing pictures

I am openned minded about this - and honestly this is the conspirary thory I 
"buy" into maybe not for the same reasons as others.  

I am not really a conspirary person - some times you can really get caught up 
in the conspiary and miss the forest thou the tree as it were

OH BTW 
Off topic - yes I think the pictures from hubble are real. But we aren't 
talking about hubble and we are not talking about galaxies here we are talking 
about something much closer to home. And the only source of information for 
that right now is Nasa

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:53:26 
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William Leijenaar wrote:

> The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
> evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, 
> KD8BXP. When the information is only from one source it is not reliable at 
> all, every scientist should know. 
>  
> This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, for me it is just 
> not clear.

William:

If one is truly skeptical of the truth of NASA's claims to have landed 
men on the moon and brought them back to earth safely, then it is only 
natural to claim that nothing that NASA says will be accepted as proof 
of having accomplished the deed. The only thing that NASA could do to 
convince a true skeptic is to land that person on the moon and bring 
them home again. (Wouldn't that be a treat?)

On the other hand, we should be clear that NASA is *NOT* claiming that 
these pictures are "evidence that they really were there". They are 
(rightly) very proud of the extreme resolution of the pictures coming 
from the new Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), and wanted to "show 
off" how good the pictures are. Of course, they chose to image targets 
that would pique the interest of as many folks as possible. For that 
reason, choosing to show photographs of the moon landing sites surely 
fulfills the criterion of generating lots of interest.

You are certainly entitled to your disbelief. But attributing these 
photos to a claim by NASA as evidence of the moon landings is a little 
bit too negative for my taste. I think that they are fully aware of the 
fact that any "proof" they could provide would be discounted by the 
skeptics because of its source. The web pages I saw never said anything 
about offering proof of prior successful landings on the moon. They are 
simply "showing off" their latest interesting photos.

By the way, do you also believe that all of the fantastic pictures from 
the Hubble Space Telescope were created in Photoshop instead of being 
real images of far away space objects? Oh, sorry, that's a bit 
off-topic, and only a rhetorical question. No need to reply to that.

> I would like to see pictures from another nations satellite, in higher 
> resolution. I believe we will soon know, as there are several countries 
> wanting to go to the moon. I am looking forward to their pictures and the 
> state of the equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film 
> studio work :o)

I, too, would welcome more pictures! (See, it really is an interesting 
target to photograph!)

> For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my small transponder 
> work,

The AMSAT community is indeed highly indebted to you for your hard work 
in this area. Thank you very much for your efforts in making small 
linear transponders for satellites.

> Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a moon-ponder :o)

Maybe, and maybe not. But if no one ever dreams of it, it will certainly 
never come to pass. Wanting to take the journey is the very first of 
many, many steps in the journey, but one that is not optional if the 
journey is ever going to be undertaken.

73 de WØJT
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Robert Bruninga]

It sad...  These moon deniers are just continuing evidence of
the gowing ignorance coming out of our education system.  

They just believe anything that some smooth talking talk show
personality puts out there.  Since they can't make sense of the
real world through knowledge and learning and education, they
grab onto to crazy ideas of others so that they have some sense
of belonging to a community of like minded people.

There was a report last week about more than 50% of high school
graduates in Maryland have to take remedial math before they can
begin their college education.  And we are not talking about
high math, they can't even do basic math like multiply 7 x 9.
There is no value to arguing with these people or bringing them
fact, because they lack basic fundamentals of science and
physics on which to build understanding.

Witness the the growth of "belief" based knowledge as opposed to
science based knowldedge.  And attempts to make them equal...

I fear for our future.

Bob

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> [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of John P.
Toscano
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:53 AM
> To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings!
> 
> William Leijenaar wrote:
> 
> > The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA 
> claims to have new evidence, which makes me laugh again. I 
> have the same idea like LeRoy, KD8BXP. When the information 
> is only from one source it is not reliable at all, every 
> scientist should know. 
> >  
> > This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, 
> for me it is just not clear.
> 
> William:
> 
> If one is truly skeptical of the truth of NASA's claims to 
> have landed 
> men on the moon and brought them back to earth safely, then 
> it is only 
> natural to claim that nothing that NASA says will be accepted 
> as proof 
> of having accomplished the deed. The only thing that NASA
could do to 
> convince a true skeptic is to land that person on the moon and
bring 
> them home again. (Wouldn't that be a treat?)
> 
> On the other hand, we should be clear that NASA is *NOT* 
> claiming that 
> these pictures are "evidence that they really were there".
They are 
> (rightly) very proud of the extreme resolution of the pictures
coming 
> from the new Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), and wanted to
"show 
> off" how good the pictures are. Of course, they chose to 
> image targets 
> that would pique the interest of as many folks as possible.
For that 
> reason, choosing to show photographs of the moon landing sites
surely 
> fulfills the criterion of generating lots of interest.
> 
> You are certainly entitled to your disbelief. But attributing
these 
> photos to a claim by NASA as evidence of the moon landings is 
> a little 
> bit too negative for my taste. I think that they are fully 
> aware of the 
> fact that any "proof" they could provide would be discounted
by the 
> skeptics because of its source. The web pages I saw never 
> said anything 
> about offering proof of prior successful landings on the 
> moon. They are 
> simply "showing off" their latest interesting photos.
> 
> By the way, do you also believe that all of the fantastic 
> pictures from 
> the Hubble Space Telescope were created in Photoshop instead
of being 
> real images of far away space objects? Oh, sorry, that's a bit

> off-topic, and only a rhetorical question. No need to reply to
that.
> 
> > I would like to see pictures from another nations 
> satellite, in higher resolution. I believe we will soon know, 
> as there are several countries wanting to go to the moon. I 
> am looking forward to their pictures and the state of the 
> equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film 
> studio work :o)
> 
> I, too, would welcome more pictures! (See, it really is an 
> interesting 
> target to photograph!)
> 
> > For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my 
> small transponder work,
> 
> The AMSAT community is indeed highly indebted to you for your 
> hard work 
> in this area. Thank you very much for your efforts in making
small 
> linear transponders for satellites.
> 
> > Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a
moon-ponder :o)
> 
> Maybe, and maybe not. But if no one ever dreams of it, it 
> will certainly 
> never come to pass. Wanting to take the journey is the very
first of 
> many, many steps in the journey, but one that is not optional
if the 
> journey is ever going to be undertaken.
> 
> 73 de WØJT
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Joe]

Explain me this,,For something as big as NASA to be a hoax there would 
be 10s of thousands of people in on it for 50+ years. and not one of 
them has talked? Thats unbelivable. Take crop circles, which is a fairly 
obvious hoax, there was 2 old drunks in england doing them and they 
talked about it and showed how they did them after just a couple of 
years. Yet there are people who actually still think that flying saucers 
are making them.

William Leijenaar wrote:

>Hi AMSATs,
> 
>The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
>evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, KD8BXP. 
>When the information is only from one source it is not reliable at all, every 
>scientist should know. 
> 
>This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, for me it is just 
>not clear.
>I would like to see pictures from another nations satellite, in higher 
>resolution. I believe we will soon know, as there are several countries 
>wanting to go to the moon. I am looking forward to their pictures and the 
>state of the equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film 
>studio work :o)
> 
>For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my small transponder 
>work,
>Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a moon-ponder :o)
> 
>73
>William
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>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[kd8bxp]

It wouldn't be as hard to hoax something like that at all - 

And yes - I know what I am going to say will make people think that I got the 
idea from a movie. I did not.  

But the movie Capricorn One (Which was made late 70s early 80s I believe) is a 
movie about a manned program to mars - the program had problems and it was 
decided to rather then have it fail - Nasa would fake it - there were problems 
of course with faking it as well - namely the astronauts where going to play 
along until the space craft ended up being destroyed because of the heat shield 
- so the astronauts had to be killed.  Anyways, total fiction - I know it I 
understand. But in the movie - key personnel in Nasa knew about the hoax - knew 
what was going on and miss directed the underlings - at one point - a man 
working in control runs and program on his own - saying the messages couldn't 
be coming from mars the signals were too close - the director (who is in on the 
hoax) asks which console he is on - and then states oh yes we have been having 
problems with that console - the next day the worker is assigned a different 
job - but will not let well enough alone - speaks to a reported (movie 
remember) - and is then eliminated - 

Point is - if only the high up know about the hoax and the miss-direction - 
then a hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off -

Now - as I said in one of my other posts - I still have questions -  but the 
gentleman who has been emailing me has made me think a little more on what was 
going on.

Is it a hoax? I don't know I said that before. 
I would like to think not, but I still have questions about it. 
Did I just give you a movie plot for me reasons it could have been - Yes and I 
fully realize it was a movie plot. And therefore not anyway real life. Just 
interesting
 That is all I am saying. Here - I don't like the idea of all the information 
coming from one source - more sources are needed. 
I am open to the possibility I am wrong - I just want to see prove from a 
source other then Nasa

LeRoy, KD8BXP
http://www.HamOhio.com

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From: Joe
Sender: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org
To: William Leijenaar
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings!
Sent: Jul 20, 2009 10:04 AM

Explain me this,,For something as big as NASA to be a hoax there would 
be 10s of thousands of people in on it for 50+ years. and not one of 
them has talked? Thats unbelivable. Take crop circles, which is a fairly 
obvious hoax, there was 2 old drunks in england doing them and they 
talked about it and showed how they did them after just a couple of 
years. Yet there are people who actually still think that flying saucers 
are making them.

William Leijenaar wrote:

>Hi AMSATs,
> 
>The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
>evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, KD8BXP. 
>When the information is only from one source it is not reliable at all, every 
>scientist should know. 
> 
>This doesn't mean that I state no man has been on the moon, for me it is just 
>not clear.
>I would like to see pictures from another nations satellite, in higher 
>resolution. I believe we will soon know, as there are several countries 
>wanting to go to the moon. I am looking forward to their pictures and the 
>state of the equipment left on the moon, in case the landings were no film 
>studio work :o)
> 
>For the moment I keep it more close to the earth with my small transponder 
>work,
>Maybe in the future there will be a chance to have a moon-ponder :o)
> 
>73
>William
>---
>
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF]

A lot of people believe that the existence of God is a hoax and that has been 
going for several thousand years without a 
conclusive outcome.

Joe wrote:
> Explain me this,,For something as big as NASA to be a hoax there would 
> be 10s of thousands of people in on it for 50+ years. and not one of 
> them has talked? Thats unbelivable. Take crop circles, which is a fairly 
> obvious hoax, there was 2 old drunks in england doing them and they 
> talked about it and showed how they did them after just a couple of 
> years. Yet there are people who actually still think that flying saucers 
> are making them.
> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Ben Jackson]

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Can we kill this thread please? This is insanely off topic...

Besides everyone knows that NASA is a front by the trilateral commission
to keep us from looking into Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster.

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[Martha]

To all - Please read the front page of our web page.  You will find the
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[n3tl]

Leroy,

Should I wait until you're satisfied that the Apollo 11 mission and all 
surrounding the Apollo program was NOT, collectively, a hoax before I mail your 
QSL card for the contact you seemed excited to make yesterday on SO-50 with K5E?

I mean ... who would celebrate a hoax?

I was born in 1956 and grew up in the middle of the Cold War and the Space 
Race. I am insulted by the "moon deniers," as an earlier poster characterized 
them. 

They confound me on two levels:

1 - Collectively, they fail to mention that America's one true adversary in the 
race to the moon - Russia - has never raised an iota of skepticism over the 
Apollo program's validity. Given the access to the audio, photographic and 
video record of the program, the fact that the Apollo program's achievements 
stand without challenge backed by significant evidence on the part of the 
single entity with the most to gain by exposing such a charade suggests there 
is nothing to expose. I suppose you can claim that Russia was in on it, too 
(i.e., "if only the high up know about the hoax and the miss-direction - then a 
hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off"). Yeah ... right. 

2 - Collectively, you fail to include the deaths of Gus Grissom, Ed White and 
Roger Chaffee in the Apollo 1 capsule. Since the Apollo program succeeded in 
completing multiple moon landings, their deaths cannot be attributed to a 
"Capricorn One scenario." How and why did that tragic accident become a part of 
the hoax? Were Grissom, White and Chaffee the inaugural members of the federal 
witness protection program? Oh, wait ... their deaths triggered the launch of 
the hoax because of the dangers involved. Yeah ... right.

Let me know about that QSL.

73,

Tim - N3TL
K5E - The 40th Anniversary Apollo 11 Satellite Special Event

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> It wouldn't be as hard to hoax something like that at all - 
> 
> And yes - I know what I am going to say will make people think that I got the 
> idea from a movie. I did not. 
> 
> But the movie Capricorn One (Which was made late 70s early 80s I believe) is 
> a 
> movie about a manned program to mars - the program had problems and it was 
> decided to rather then have it fail - Nasa would fake it - there were 
> problems 
> of course with faking it as well - namely the astronauts where going to play 
> along until the space craft ended up being destroyed because of the heat 
> shield 
> - so the astronauts had to be killed. Anyways, total fiction - I know it I 
> understand. But in the movie - key personnel in Nasa knew about the hoax - 
> knew 
> what was going on and miss directed the underlings - at one point - a man 
> working in control runs and program on his own - saying the messages couldn't 
> be 
> coming from mars the signals were too close - the director (who is in on the 
> hoax) asks which console he is on - and then states oh yes we have been 
> having 
> problems with that console - the next day the worker is assigned a different 
> job 
> - but will not let well enough alone - speaks to a reported (movie remember) 
> - 
> and is then eliminated - 
> 
> Point is - if only the high up know about the hoax and the miss-direction - 
> then 
> a hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off - 
> 
> Now - as I said in one of my other posts - I still have questions - but the 
> gentleman who has been emailing me has made me think a little more on what 
> was 
> going on. 
> 
> Is it a hoax? I don't know I said that before. 
> I would like to think not, but I still have questions about it. 
> Did I just give you a movie plot for me reasons it could have been - Yes and 
> I 
> fully realize it was a movie plot. And therefore not anyway real life. Just 
> interesting 
> That is all I am saying. Here - I don't like the idea of all the information 
> coming from one source - more sources are needed. 
> I am open to the possibility I am wrong - I just want to see prove from a 
> source 
> other then Nasa 
> 
> LeRoy, KD8BXP 
> http://www.HamOhio.com 
> 
> --Original Message-- 
> From: Joe 
> Sender: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org 
> To: William Leijenaar 
> Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org 
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings! 
> Sent: Jul 20, 2009 10:04 AM 
> 
> Explain me this,,For something as big as NASA to be a hoax there would 
> be 10s of thousands of people in on it for 50+ years. and not one of 
> them has talked? Thats unbelivable. Take crop circles, which is a fairly 
> obvious hoax, there was 2 old drunks in england doing them and they 
> talked about it and showed how they did them after just a couple of 
> years. Yet there are people who actually still think that flying saucers 
> are making them. 
> 
> William Leijenaar wrote: 
> 
> >Hi AMSATs, 
> > 
> >The news is full again of the moon landings, where NASA claims to have new 
> evidence, which makes me laugh again. I have the same idea like LeRoy, 
> KD8BXP. 
> When the information 

[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Roger Kolakowski]

Now it's not only off topic...it becoming personal and threatening...

(The moderator must be on vacation...)

Roger
WA1KAT


> Leroy,
>
> Should I wait until you're satisfied that the Apollo 11 mission and all
surrounding the Apollo program was NOT, collectively, a hoax before I mail
your QSL card

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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[kd8bxp]

Roger,

I didn't take it like that at all - I have upset the man - and didn't mean to 

I apologized to him in private - now I will do it in public

Tim, I am sorry that I offended you. Please accept my applogie. It was not my 
intention to offend anyone.  So if I also offend someone else that is not what 
I was doing or my intention. Please email me off list. And we can talk more

LeRoy, KD8BXP
http://www.HamOhio.com
--Original Message--
From: Roger Kolakowski
Sender: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings!
Sent: Jul 20, 2009 12:25 PM

Now it's not only off topic...it becoming personal and threatening...

(The moderator must be on vacation...)

Roger
WA1KAT


> Leroy,
>
> Should I wait until you're satisfied that the Apollo 11 mission and all
surrounding the Apollo program was NOT, collectively, a hoax before I mail
your QSL card

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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[n3tl]

My aplogies, Mr. Kolakowski, to you personally and to everyone on the board. No 
real threats were intended. Apparently my sarcasm was not well-taken - at least 
not by you.

I remain open to anyone who can explain the reasons why the two issues I raised 
are as they are - and ask that such explanations be made off this BB.

Again, my apologies to all.
-- Original message from "Roger Kolakowski" : 
-- 


> Now it's not only off topic...it becoming personal and threatening... 
> 
> (The moderator must be on vacation...) 
> 
> Roger 
> WA1KAT 
> 
> 
> > Leroy, 
> > 
> > Should I wait until you're satisfied that the Apollo 11 mission and all 
> surrounding the Apollo program was NOT, collectively, a hoax before I mail 
> your QSL card 
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[amsat-bb] AO-51 Special event

[Angel Peláez , EA4DUT]

Excellent the pass received few minutes ago with my home made arrow antenna on 
my vacation site by the Mediterranean shore at JN00DF in Spain.
The maximum elevation was only 8 degrees but I could record the voice message 
and SSTV transmision comfortably up to three times meanwhile the sat passed 
above my deep sea blue horizon
I was so excited that I was near to start to shout out!!
Now I will try to decode the SSTV and listen carefully to the voice message for 
writing it down for QSL details.
Congratulations and thanks to control team for this historical event. A great 
leap indeed 40 years ago that now we can live again.

Thanks again and good luck.

73, EA4DUT, Angel



  
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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event

[n3tl]

Congratulations, Angel!

And thank you to the control team for recruiting operators in order to make the 
AO-51 operation a worldwide event. 

Job well-done!

73,

Tim
-- Original message from Angel Peláez, EA4DUT 
: -- 

Excellent the pass received few minutes ago with my home made arrow antenna on 
> my vacation site by the Mediterranean shore at JN00DF in Spain. The maximum 
> elevation was only 8 degrees but I could record the voice message and SSTV 
> transmision comfortably up to three times meanwhile the sat passed 
> above my deep sea blue horizon 
> I was so excited that I was near to start to shout out!! Now I will try to 
> decode the SSTV and listen carefully to the voice message for 
> writing it down for QSL details. Congratulations and thanks to control team 
> for this historical event. A great 
> leap indeed 40 years ago that now we can live again. 
> 
> Thanks again and good luck. 
> 
> 73, EA4DUT, Angel 
> 
> 
> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[David - KG4ZLB]

See


  Moon astronauts urge Mars mission

here! 

Rumours that Stephen Spielberg has been signed up to provide the special 
effects are currently unsubstantiated but obviously the BBC are already 
on board.

:-P

David
KG4ZLB


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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Gordon JC Pearce]

On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 14:27 +, kd8...@aol.com wrote:

> Point is - if only the high up know about the hoax and the
> miss-direction - then a hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off 

That unfortunate physics thing gets in your way though.  How would you
build a stage large enough to film it on that could pumped down to a
hard vacuum?

There is no credible evidence that it was faked, and lots of credible
evidence that it would have been impossible to fake.

Gordon 2M0YEQ


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[amsat-bb] epistomological question

[andy thomas]

on the epistomological question about the moon landings: my account is on:

http://projectapollo.co.uk/your-story/

Some people you can trust(GW1MLA, SK)

andy G0SFJ


  

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[amsat-bb] Re: FW: [BLT] University of Texas at Austin 'Picosatellite' To Be Launched from Space Shuttle To Begin Milestone Small-Satellite Mission

[Trevor .]

Hi Andy, 

I see it's running quite high power, 1 watt output, when in Data Mode. 

Would I be right in thinking the Data Mode will only be activated when it's in 
range of Texas ? Presumably the 200 mw 437.325 MHz 200 mw beacon will be 
available the rest of the time ? 

73 Trevor M5AKA

--- On Mon, 20/7/09, andrew.macallis...@emerson.com 
 wrote:

> From: andrew.macallis...@emerson.com 
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: [BLT] University of Texas at Austin 'Picosatellite' 
> To Be Launched from Space Shuttle To Begin Milestone Small-Satellite Mission
> To: b...@stevens.com, amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Monday, 20 July, 2009, 4:29 AM
> Get ready to check out BEVO-1 later
> this week!
> Various items in BEVO-1 flew to the edge of space last year
> on BLT-24.
> 73 de Andy W5ACM
> http://www.w5acm.net
>  
> 
> 
>  
> Sent: Sun 7/19/2009 9:01 PM
> To: MacAllister, Andrew [PROCESS/DAN/HOU]
> Subject: Re: [BLT] University of Texas at Austin
> 'Picosatellite' To Be Launched from Space Shuttle To Begin
> Milestone Small-Satellite Mission
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Thanks for the publicity on your lists. I have a website
> set up at
> http://paradigm.ae.utexas.edu/ops where amateur radio
> stations can
> send what they hear. Deployment from Shuttle Endeavor will
> occur
> tentatively at 7:27 AM CDT, July 30th.
> 
> ~Jahshan
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM, 
> wrote:
> > As seen during BLT-24 last year!
> >
> > Looking forward to the July flight of BEVO-1 and
> AggieSAT-2!
> >
> > http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/06/09/picosatellite/
> >
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[amsat-bb] Re: epistomological question

[andy thomas]

Have just received AO-51 speeches and photo - photo on my website 
http://www.andythomas.eu

Or did I? That is the epistomological question. How do you know?

Fundamentally you have to trust in life to get along in it.

andy G0SFJ
 


  

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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance

[Timothy J. Salo]

>> Related to Q2 & Q5 (compensation):
>> * As university staff, can I transmit to the CubeSat, or is my  
>> salary considered compensation?
>>
>> * Is the refurbishment of a club ground station (man hours,  
>> equipment repair/purchase) considered compensation?

These are very important questions.  I think it is also
important that we have a shared understanding of the answers,
rather than private opinions.

I suggest that the researcher also approach the ARRL for an
opinion.  My suspicion is that AMSAT and the ARRL will provide
conservative (and unofficial) answers to these questions.  It
is much safer to say "no, that's prohibited" than "yes".

In my view, this may be a question that we want to approach
the FCC with.  I suspect that, if the question is properly
framed, the FCC might be more inclined to find this acceptable
than either AMSAT or the ARRL.

-tjs

Clint Bradford wrote:
> Can an AMSAT officer please privately reply to me regarding this email  
> inquiry? Many thanks.
> 
> A gentleman is considering a CubeSat mission for weather research, and  
> needs answers to his inquiry after reading the AMSAT FAQ regarding  
> using ham frequencies ...


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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event

[GW1FKY]

Hi all,
A perfect evening here in Wales ( UK ) for the  pass- No wind or rain 
and not to hot.
I copied the audio and SSTV just using my Kenwood  THD7 and Arrow  antenna 
with excellent satisfaction.
Thanks to all involved in the project and arrangements it really made my  
day.
And thanks also for the " New One" Hi!
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat -UK
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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event

[David Barber]

Just to add my thanks to Dave and Frank for their activities this afternoon.

Brilliant!

Regards

David
G8OQW


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Behalf Of gw1...@aol.com
Sent: 20 July 2009 18:54
To: ea4...@ure.es; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event

Hi all,
A perfect evening here in Wales ( UK ) for the  pass- No wind or rain 
and not to hot.
I copied the audio and SSTV just using my Kenwood  THD7 and Arrow  antenna 
with excellent satisfaction.
Thanks to all involved in the project and arrangements it really made my  
day.
And thanks also for the " New One" Hi!
Ken Eaton
GW1FKY
Amsat -UK
Amsat NA
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[STeve Andre']

On Monday 20 July 2009 10:27:12 kd8...@aol.com wrote:
> It wouldn't be as hard to hoax something like that at all -
>
> And yes - I know what I am going to say will make people think that I got
> the idea from a movie. I did not.
>
> But the movie Capricorn One (Which was made late 70s early 80s I believe)
> is a movie about a manned program to mars - the program had problems and it
> was decided to rather then have it fail - Nasa would fake it - there were
> problems of course with faking it as well - namely the astronauts where
> going to play along until the space craft ended up being destroyed because
> of the heat shield - so the astronauts had to be killed.  Anyways, total
> fiction - I know it I understand. But in the movie - key personnel in Nasa
> knew about the hoax - knew what was going on and miss directed the
> underlings - at one point - a man working in control runs and program on
> his own - saying the messages couldn't be coming from mars the signals were
> too close - the director (who is in on the hoax) asks which console he is
> on - and then states oh yes we have been having problems with that console
> - the next day the worker is assigned a different job - but will not let
> well enough alone - speaks to a reported (movie remember) - and is then
> eliminated -
>
> Point is - if only the high up know about the hoax and the miss-direction -
> then a hoax on a massive scale can be pulled off -
>
> Now - as I said in one of my other posts - I still have questions -  but
> the gentleman who has been emailing me has made me think a little more on
> what was going on.
>
> Is it a hoax? I don't know I said that before.
> I would like to think not, but I still have questions about it.
> Did I just give you a movie plot for me reasons it could have been - Yes
> and I fully realize it was a movie plot. And therefore not anyway real
> life. Just interesting That is all I am saying. Here - I don't like the
> idea of all the information coming from one source - more sources are
> needed. I am open to the possibility I am wrong - I just want to see prove
> from a source other then Nasa
[snip]

LeRoy,

I'm not sure how you can have a source other than NASA, other than two hams
who made independant recordings of Apollo transmissions.  In 1971 (summer
issue) a QST article talks of Dick Knadle(sp?) KRIW who got some, and another
ham, I believe W4HHK received signals as well.

I'd also bet the Russian space agency has stuff.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you have questions about any
"fakery" of moon landings, find the Myth Busters TV show.  They did a *really*
good job of debunking several myths about how things were faked.

I do not find this discussion OT for Amsat-bb, because this affects us.  It
erodes the effort of tens of thousands of technical people, and has ripple
effects for the USA, far beyond the original topic.

--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf  en82
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[amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event

[Graham Shirville]

Hi All,

Yes a great signal from AO51 this evening on an almost overhead pass. As 
well as the message it was interesting to hear the bursts of repetitive QRM 
on the L band uplink. From previous ATV experience I could instantly 
identify it as coming from one or more of the "en route" aeronautical high 
power radars that we share the band with over here.

Congratulations and thanks to everyone involved in organising the event!

73

Graham G3VZV

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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 Special event


> Hi all,
> A perfect evening here in Wales ( UK ) for the  pass- No wind or rain
> and not to hot.
> I copied the audio and SSTV just using my Kenwood  THD7 and Arrow  antenna
> with excellent satisfaction.
> Thanks to all involved in the project and arrangements it really made my
> day.
> And thanks also for the " New One" Hi!
> Ken Eaton
> GW1FKY
> Amsat -UK
> Amsat NA
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[amsat-bb] SwissCube

[Trevor .]

I see SwissCube will soon be in India prior to launch later this year, see 

http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2009/swiss_cube.htm 

There are other cubesats that should be on the same launch: 

BeeSat 
http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/informal_detail.asp?serial=86 

UWE-2 
http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/finished_detail.asp?serial=110 

ITUpSAT 
http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/finished_detail.asp?serial=113 

73 Trevor M5AKA
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[amsat-bb] Re: Apollo

[James R. La Frieda]

EE Times - Apollo 7/20/09Bob,

Just wanted you to know that a host of engineers, who worked on Apollo for 
many, many years, couldn't agree more with what you stated in the e-mail that 
you sent the amsat-bb today. 

All the Best,
Jim (N6MV) 

Dr. James R. La Frieda ( Ph.D. E.E.) 


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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance

[Robert Bruninga]

> In my view, this may be a question that 
> we want to approach the FCC with.  I 
> suspect that, if the question is properly
> framed, the FCC might be more inclined to 
> find this acceptable than either AMSAT or 
> the ARRL.

Sheer lunacy!  Never approach the FCC with any question that
requires an intelligent, engineered or meaningful answer, or one
with our considered best interest at heart.  In most cases,
there is no substantial engineering or technically competent
personnel left at the FCC, it is just a bureaucratic institution
that sells off spectrum to the highest bidder!  Just read the up
front column in this months QST to see how the FCC completely
and dishonestly bent to the wishes of the big corporations
trying to get BPL launched without regard to any technical
merit!

There are probably very few people at the FCC that give a hoot
about such nitpicking in the Amateur Service.  But I can
guarantee you one thing, asking a stupid question to a
bureaucratic organization is a sure way to get a stupid answer.
Bureaucrats respond to the path of least resistance like most
people.  Put a queation on their desk, and the easiest answer is
always NO.

Never ever ask the FCC or any other bureaucratic organization
for an "opinion".  Wait till they ASK YOU.  Otherwise they could
care less.  And they are happy to have yet another silly
question out of their in basket.

We are self regulating as much as possible.  Keep it that way,
unless you want to loose everything we have bit, by stupid
question, bit...

Bob, Wb4APR

> -tjs
> 
> Clint Bradford wrote:
> > Can an AMSAT officer please privately reply to me regarding 
> this email  
> > inquiry? Many thanks.
> > 
> > A gentleman is considering a CubeSat mission for weather 
> research, and  
> > needs answers to his inquiry after reading the AMSAT FAQ
regarding  
> > using ham frequencies ...
> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Roger Kolakowski]

Hi Tim...

I don't need an apology, you have done too much good work for the hobby to let 
an errant text message ruin your reputation...if you send him the card I will 
be happy  ;-)

I was just trying to wave the caution flag...

It used to be only Politics and Religion you couldn't discuss on ham 
radio...now it includes HEO vs LEO and Lunar landing realities...

Roger
WA1KAT
  - Original Message - 
  From: n...@bellsouth.net 
  To: Roger Kolakowski ; amsat-bb@amsat.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings!


  My aplogies, Mr. Kolakowski, to you personally and to everyone on the board. 
No real threats were intended. Apparently my sarcasm was not well-taken - at 
least not by you.

  I remain open to anyone who can explain the reasons why the two issues I 
raised are as they are - and ask that such explanations be made off this BB.

  Again, my apologies to all.
-- Original message from "Roger Kolakowski" 
: -- 


> Now it's not only off topic...it becoming personal and threatening... 
> 
> (The moderator must be on vacation...) 
> 
> Roger 
> WA1KAT 
> 
> 
> > Leroy, 
> > 
> > Should I wait until you're satisfied that the Apollo 11 mission and all 
> surrounding the Apollo program was NOT, collectively, a hoax before I 
mail 
> your QSL card 
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[amsat-bb] [OFF] Astronomy software SkyVoyager free today!

[Bryan Green]

Howdy, all:
Saw this on Twitter: Astronomy applications SkyVoyager and SkyGazer for
iPhone are free today:

 http://www.carinasoft.com/

This is in honor of the 40th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing. Free is
good!

-- bag

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[amsat-bb] Moon Landing Special Event

[John Marranca, Jr]

Great signals during the 2220z pass over FN02.  Many thanks to the
Control Team once again!

John KB2HSH

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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance

[John B. Stephensen]

97.113 (5) (c) A control operator may accept compensation as an incident of 
a teaching position during periods of time when an amateur station is used 
by that teacher as part of classroom instruction at an educational 
insitution.

73,

John
KD6OZH

- Original Message - 
From: "Timothy J. Salo" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 17:42 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Officer Assistance


>>> Related to Q2 & Q5 (compensation):
>>> * As university staff, can I transmit to the CubeSat, or is my
>>> salary considered compensation?
>>>
>>> * Is the refurbishment of a club ground station (man hours,
>>> equipment repair/purchase) considered compensation?
>
> These are very important questions.  I think it is also
> important that we have a shared understanding of the answers,
> rather than private opinions.
>
> I suggest that the researcher also approach the ARRL for an
> opinion.  My suspicion is that AMSAT and the ARRL will provide
> conservative (and unofficial) answers to these questions.  It
> is much safer to say "no, that's prohibited" than "yes".
>
> In my view, this may be a question that we want to approach
> the FCC with.  I suspect that, if the question is properly
> framed, the FCC might be more inclined to find this acceptable
> than either AMSAT or the ARRL.
>
> -tjs
>
> Clint Bradford wrote:
>> Can an AMSAT officer please privately reply to me regarding this email
>> inquiry? Many thanks.
>>
>> A gentleman is considering a CubeSat mission for weather research, and
>> needs answers to his inquiry after reading the AMSAT FAQ regarding
>> using ham frequencies ...
>
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[amsat-bb] Evidence of moon landings....!

[Darin Cowan]

Which is more reasonable:

1. That a 40 year grand conspiracy involving literally thousands of people
from multiple, antagonistic countries, could pull off and maintain the
illusion that nobody has walked on the moon.  Recognizing that the Soviet
Union and China both would have benefitted greatly for exposing such fakery,
and recognizing that the US government by itself - let alone all the other
people, organizations, and governments that have a stake in it - can't keep
even a little secret like "I went to Argentina to get a piece on the side".
Recognizing all the photographs, the rocks, the satellites, the orbiters,
the explosion of technology and so forth.  Recognizing that the governments
in question have been unable, in the same time period, to keep their leaders
from being shot at by simple lunatics, and that those governments haven't
even been able to construct a convincing lie about WMD in the middle-east:
something that really, everyone would believe with little effort?

OR

2. That men have actually been on the moon as reported?

The whole idea that the moon landings were faked is, quite simply,
weapons-grade stupid.  It flies in the face of logic and reason.  No
moon-conspiracy theorist has ever been able to produce a shred of evidence
that anything has been faked... a task that should be INCREDIBLY easy given
the number of people that have to be involved to this day.  Scientists, on
the other hand have produced photos, rocks, and mountains of other evidence,
not the least of which is the dozen people who have actually been there, a
good many of which are still walking around.  

People who still tout this moon-landing-fake conspiracy are nutters, plain
and simple.  There are many places I'd expect to find woo-woo conspiracy
believers, but never on the AMSAT list.

Can we please put this issue to bed and go back to satellites and radio now.

-VE3OIJ

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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Jim Leder]

AMEN.

- Original Message - 
From: "Darin Cowan" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Evidence of moon landings!


> Which is more reasonable:
>
> 1. That a 40 year grand conspiracy involving literally thousands of people
> from multiple, antagonistic countries, could pull off and maintain the
> illusion that nobody has walked on the moon.  Recognizing that the Soviet
> Union and China both would have benefitted greatly for exposing such 
> fakery,
> and recognizing that the US government by itself - let alone all the other
> people, organizations, and governments that have a stake in it - can't 
> keep
> even a little secret like "I went to Argentina to get a piece on the 
> side".
> Recognizing all the photographs, the rocks, the satellites, the orbiters,
> the explosion of technology and so forth.  Recognizing that the 
> governments
> in question have been unable, in the same time period, to keep their 
> leaders
> from being shot at by simple lunatics, and that those governments haven't
> even been able to construct a convincing lie about WMD in the middle-east:
> something that really, everyone would believe with little effort?
>
> OR
>
> 2. That men have actually been on the moon as reported?
>
> The whole idea that the moon landings were faked is, quite simply,
> weapons-grade stupid.  It flies in the face of logic and reason.  No
> moon-conspiracy theorist has ever been able to produce a shred of evidence
> that anything has been faked... a task that should be INCREDIBLY easy 
> given
> the number of people that have to be involved to this day.  Scientists, on
> the other hand have produced photos, rocks, and mountains of other 
> evidence,
> not the least of which is the dozen people who have actually been there, a
> good many of which are still walking around.
>
> People who still tout this moon-landing-fake conspiracy are nutters, plain
> and simple.  There are many places I'd expect to find woo-woo conspiracy
> believers, but never on the AMSAT list.
>
> Can we please put this issue to bed and go back to satellites and radio 
> now.
>
> -VE3OIJ
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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Dale Hershberger]

Jim Leder wrote:
> AMEN.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Darin Cowan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Evidence of moon landings!
>
>
>   
>> Which is more reasonable:
>>
>> 1. That a 40 year grand conspiracy involving literally thousands of people
>> from multiple, antagonistic countries, could pull off and maintain the
>> illusion that nobody has walked on the moon.  Recognizing that the Soviet
>> Union and China both would have benefitted greatly for exposing such 
>> fakery,
>> and recognizing that the US government by itself - let alone all the other
>> people, organizations, and governments that have a stake in it - can't 
>> keep
>> even a little secret like "I went to Argentina to get a piece on the 
>> side".
>> Recognizing all the photographs, the rocks, the satellites, the orbiters,
>> the explosion of technology and so forth.  Recognizing that the 
>> governments
>> in question have been unable, in the same time period, to keep their 
>> leaders
>> from being shot at by simple lunatics, and that those governments haven't
>> even been able to construct a convincing lie about WMD in the middle-east:
>> something that really, everyone would believe with little effort?
>>
>> OR
>>
>> 2. That men have actually been on the moon as reported?
>>
>> The whole idea that the moon landings were faked is, quite simply,
>> weapons-grade stupid.  It flies in the face of logic and reason.  No
>> moon-conspiracy theorist has ever been able to produce a shred of evidence
>> that anything has been faked... a task that should be INCREDIBLY easy 
>> given
>> the number of people that have to be involved to this day.  Scientists, on
>> the other hand have produced photos, rocks, and mountains of other 
>> evidence,
>> not the least of which is the dozen people who have actually been there, a
>> good many of which are still walking around.
>>
>> People who still tout this moon-landing-fake conspiracy are nutters, plain
>> and simple.  There are many places I'd expect to find woo-woo conspiracy
>> believers, but never on the AMSAT list.
>>
>> Can we please put this issue to bed and go back to satellites and radio 
>> now.
>>
>> -VE3OIJ
>>
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I for one wholeheartedly agree.  Lets get on with real things, 
satellites and radios.

Dale - kl7xj
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[amsat-bb] Re: Moon Landing Special Event

[kc8ran]

Ditto on the Z pass from EN91. Good copy on the SSTV image on a 20 
degree elevation pass. Well Done, Echo! Well Done Control Team!

Joe KC8RAN


On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM , John Marranca, Jr wrote:

> Great signals during the 2220z pass over FN02.  Many thanks to the
> Control Team once again!
>
> John KB2HSH
>
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[amsat-bb] Re: SpaceJam 3

[P. Thomas Gabel]

Had a great time with W9YJ-11 balloon launch. Thanks to who ever posted 
the info on the
Amsat BB. I am the station in Fond du Lac, WI. EN53ss that made several 
contacts through the
balloon repeater after it got above 50,000 ft. When it got to about 
98,000 ft. at its peak,
I had my Sat. antenna set at 10degree elevation. Great time.
73 N9RPQ

Greg Beat wrote:
> Yes.
>
> There were actually 2 balloons with APRS beacons.
> The ATV video package did not make these launches.
>
> W9YJ-11, was launched first and supposedly reached ~ 100,000 feet
> Landed near the town of Bronson, IL
> I heard stations on the cross-band repeater from Fond DuLac, WI; Toledo, OH
> when it was around 50,000 feet.
>
> N9QGS-11 was launched second and lost its GPS data stream above 50,000 feet 
> (just East of Royal, IL).
> It did recover its latitude/longitude and direction about 20 minutes later 
> (near Oakwood, IL and I-74), but never its altitude.
> Landed south of Catlin, IL
>
> I have MS Power Point slides of the OpenAPRS.net APRS tracks for both 
> balloons.
>
> You can go to OpenAPRS.net, enter the SSID for each balloon and request data 
> over past 2 days.
> That will show you the actual tracks.
>
> Greg
> w9gb
> --
> From: "George Henry" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: "Greg Beat" ; 
> Subject: Re:  SpaceJam 3 (was Re: 2009 BoD Ballot - question)
>
>   
>> I listened for the W9JY-11 balloon on APRS, and for the 446.025 crossband 
>> repeater, and heard nothing...  did it actually go up yesterday?
>>
>> George, KA3HSW
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Greg Beat" 
>> To: "Gould Smith" ; 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:38 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2009 BoD Ballot - question
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I have been tracking balloons (SpaceJam-3) today  so I was just 
>>> starting
>>> to read my USPS mail.   :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks for prompt reply.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> w9gb
>>>   
>> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: Moon Landing Special Event

[Rodney Waln]

i would also like to thank AO-51 control team and any others that were on hand 
to put togeather a good tribute on apollo 11,
SSTV was good and the sound bites were a great twist
message also recived,
Rodney kc0zhf


  
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[amsat-bb] Re: SpaceJam 3

[Greg Beat]

I also caught the DePaul University HALO-II launch this morning (July 20) from 
Kankakee, IL due to the
APRS beacon on board .. when I saw the Icon on my TM-D710 (somebody thank 
WB4APR for the thousandth time for this jewel).

No announcement seen, this balloon appears to have NO X-band repeater ... just 
university experiments.
It headed south along I-57 for about 2-1/2 hours and around 80,000 feet -- not 
as high as earlier SpaceJam-3 launch.

Greg
w9gb

Had a great time with W9YJ-11 balloon launch. Thanks to who ever posted the 
info on the
Amsat BB. I am the station in Fond du Lac, WI. EN53ss that made several 
contacts through the 
balloon repeater after it got above 50,000 ft. When it got to about 98,000 ft. 
at its peak,
I had my Sat. antenna set at 10degree elevation. Great time. 
73 N9RPQ

Greg Beat wrote: 
Yes.

There were actually 2 balloons with APRS beacons.
The ATV video package did not make these launches.

W9YJ-11, was launched first and supposedly reached ~ 100,000 feet
Landed near the town of Bronson, IL
I heard stations on the cross-band repeater from Fond DuLac, WI; Toledo, OH
when it was around 50,000 feet.

N9QGS-11 was launched second and lost its GPS data stream above 50,000 feet 
(just East of Royal, IL).
It did recover its latitude/longitude and direction about 20 minutes later 
(near Oakwood, IL and I-74), but never its altitude.
Landed south of Catlin, IL

I have MS Power Point slides of the OpenAPRS.net APRS tracks for both 
balloons.

You can go to OpenAPRS.net, enter the SSID for each balloon and request data 
over past 2 days.
That will show you the actual tracks.

Greg
w9gb
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[amsat-bb] WD9EWK's road trip - Monday (20 July) report

[Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)]

Hi!

Another day, another few hundred miles/km and more QSOs for 
the satellite log.  With the special transmission on AO-51
this evening, I worked only SO-50 and AO-27 passes earlier 
today.  Still a good day with more sightseeing and radio 
work, plus I'm setting up for a busy and fun day tomorrow. 

Before I left Monticello in eastern Utah this morning, I worked
one SO-50 pass at 1530 UTC from the DM57/DM58 line where I had 
worked from on Sunday evening via AO-51.  I surprised myself 
with working 10 stations on a weekday morning pass, including 
the VE3MOON special-event station in Ottawa.  

After that pass, I started northward on US-191 toward grid DM59
near the I-70 freeway.  There was a VO-52 pass around 1650 UTC
I had thought about working, but I could not.  I was in Moab,
and that town is in the middle of a small canyon with high 
walls that would have severely limited the time I could work
on that pass.  I kept going north, and got clear of Moab in 
time for SO-50's second pass I worked at 1710 UTC. 

Just before the 1710 UTC SO-50 pass, I made it about 15 miles/25km
north of Moab, back onto a clear spot without hills or rocks 
blocking my view to the west.  A decent pass, even with just 3 
QSOs.  This stop was not on a grid boundary, in grid DM58dr, but
was not terribly far from where I would work AO-27 in the afternoon.

I found a spot near the I-70 freeway on a county road, the old US-6
highway that runs parallel with the Union Pacific railway in that
part of Utah.  This spot was north of the town of Cisco, in grids
DM58ix and DM59ia.  I planned to work two, and possibly 3, AO-27 
passes from here.  I did not have a clear enough view to the west
to work a very shallow pass (maximum 4 degrees elevation) at 2307
UTC, so I worked the earlier passes at 1946 and 2127 UTC. 

The 1946 UTC pass was up only to 17 degrees maximum elevation out
there, but that was high enough to clear some hills east of the 
spot.  I had no problems hearing the full 7 minutes of the pass, 
and worked 13 stations in that time.  The pass was not as chaotic
as the eastern AO-27 pass I worked on Sunday from DM47/DM57.  Not
a bad effort for a weekday pass.  After this pass, I drove east 
on I-70 about 20 miles/32km to the Colorado state line, and then 
went a couple of miles/km into Colorado so I could turn around 
and get back to DM58ix/DM59ia in time for the 2127 UTC pass. 

At 2127 UTC, there were stations spread out through the entire 
7-minute pass.  I logged 12 QSOs with stations up and down western
North America, and as far east as Louisiana and Ohio.  Even though
there were almost as many stations on the 2127 UTC pass as on the 
1946 UTC pass, everyone who was on the later pass who wanted to 
work me had the chance.  

Since I was not going to stick around for the 2307 UTC pass, I 
decided to make a long drive toward the Salt Lake City area for
tonight.  This would set me up well for tomorrow's travels and
sightseeing in central and southern Utah.  I hope to be on from
several grids from the following list: DM37, DM38, DM47, DM48,
and DM49.  I am currently in the north end of grid DM49, but with
tall mountains immediately east of here I will go south before
getting on tomorrow morning.  I should be on SO-50 passes starting
around 1600 UTC, AO-27 in the afternoon, and (if it is returned 
to the normal 145.920/435.300 FM voice repeater as planned) AO-51
in the evening.  Although I strive to operate from grid boundaries
to maximize the number of grids I can give out with my QSOs, that
may not always be possible based on surroundings and/or conditions
on or beside the roads and highways I will travel. 

I hope to be at least as far south as St. George in southwestern 
Utah, or even as far south as Las Vegas, tomorrow night.  I need
to get back home on Wednesday evening, so tomorrow will probably 
be the last full day for my radio activities.  I've driven over
1000 miles/1600km since I left Phoenix last Thursday, and - 
including the 3 days late last week in and around Williams AZ - 
have worked from 7 different grids on this trip.  More will be
heard from tomorrow.  

Good night, and 73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK - currently in Nephi, Utah
(80 miles/128km south of Salt Lake City)
http://www.wd9ewk.net/




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[amsat-bb] Apollo 11 transmission on AO-51 tonight

[Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)]

Hi!

I was able to hear the transmission on two passes tonight 
( and 0139 UTC).  The first pass was a tough one to hear,
as I was driving on US-6 between I-70 and Provo near the 
DM49/DN40 grid boundary, with lots of rocks and mountains 
all around me.  I could hear the middle 3 or 4 minutes of 
that pass with little difficulty using my IC-T7H HT and the 
Larsen 2m/70cm mobile whip on the roof of my truck.  For the 
later pass at 0139 UTC, I was using my normal FM satellite 
station (IC-2720H with Elk Antennas 2m/70cm log periodic)
outside the motel I'm in tonight located in DM49bq.  

I recorded the 0139 UTC pass, since I did not get my laptop 
set up to receive the SSTV signals in real time.  I have not
fed the SSTV audio into my laptop yet, but will do that in 
the next day or so to see the picture.  The four audio 
recordings were all very appropriate for the transmission,
and I'm sure the photo will be as well - when I get to see 
it from my recording. 

It has been nice to see the satellite activity commemorating
this event over the past few days - VE3MOON, K5E, and the 
AO-51 transmission this evening.  I've had the chance to work
both of those special-event stations while on the road, and 
will appreciate receiving those QSLs.

Glad to see radio- and satellite-related chatter return to the
-BB.  Good night, and 73!




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK - Nephi, Utah
http://www.wd9ewk.net/


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[amsat-bb] Appolo 11 special event

[Luc Leblanc]

I got a good recording of on one pass but the SSTV Robot 36 was slanted with 
the same setup i used for the ISS and AO-51 past SSTV session?

"-"


Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
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[amsat-bb] Re: Moon Landing Special Event

[Mike McMahan]

Excellent job control team. Greetings from EM79 using a handheld, and
digital recorder without a cable I was able to copy and record the SSTV
along with the voice message on a 28 degree pass. Played the SSTV data back
through MMSSTV, and got several identifiable images. Needless to say a
pleasant surprise this evening.
Again Thanks to all involved for a wonderful 40th anniversary memento.

73

KC9NXP
Mike McMahan

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM,  wrote:

> Ditto on the Z pass from EN91. Good copy on the SSTV image on a 20
> degree elevation pass. Well Done, Echo! Well Done Control Team!
>
> Joe KC8RAN
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:51 PM , John Marranca, Jr wrote:
>
> > Great signals during the 2220z pass over FN02.  Many thanks to the
> > Control Team once again!
> >
> > John KB2HSH
> >
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[amsat-bb] FM25 - Cape Hatteras National Seashore

[Albert Jagnow]

Anyone who worked me last week on AO-51 from one of two locations in FM25 Cape 
Hatteras National Seashore, North Carolina can just drop me an email.  
@arrl.net I will send a card.  I will try to create a nice card from 
some of my photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40642...@n02/sets/72157621629804725/

I don't know how common a grid is FM25.  I can say it is the best location I 
have ever worked satellite.  Planning to return next summer, but for now I am 
back in EN41.

--
Albert Jagnow
N0PFT

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[amsat-bb] Re: Evidence of moon landings....!

[Edward Cole]

>
>LeRoy,
>
>I'm not sure how you can have a source other than NASA, other than two hams
>who made independant recordings of Apollo transmissions.  In 1971 (summer
>issue) a QST article talks of Dick Knadle(sp?) KRIW who got some, and another
>ham, I believe W4HHK received signals as well.
>
>I'd also bet the Russian space agency has stuff.
>
>Please don't take this the wrong way, but if you have questions about any
>"fakery" of moon landings, find the Myth Busters TV show.  They did a *really*
>good job of debunking several myths about how things were faked.
>
>I do not find this discussion OT for Amsat-bb, because this affects us.  It
>erodes the effort of tens of thousands of technical people, and has ripple
>effects for the USA, far beyond the original topic.
>
>--STeve Andre'
>wb8wsf  en82
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Steve you can add my witness of the Lunar orbiter signal on S-band 
received on a ten foot comm dish that my supervisor with JPL set up 
in his yard using a diode mixer and a microwave signal generator for 
LO.  The signal exhibited expected Doppler shift and every 20-minutes 
or so it dropped out (occulted by the Moon as the orbiter orbited 
behind).  This was not Apollo-11 but one of the other missions 
afterward, to memory (long time ago - 1971).  We both worked at 
Goldstone tracking facility back then.  We only detected the carrier 
since the dish was insufficient size for recovering the modulated signal.

73, Ed - KL7UW (then K8MWA/K6) 

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