[AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ, July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
THOSE DAYS ARE OVER GET WITH THE YEAR 2008. RACISM IS OVER !!! This election is not about race . It is about a President. Racism is a thing of the past unless you are racist. In that case it is not over for you and only you. Try this Go Back To School. Get A Good Job . Make more Money. And then you will see the truth. It is over that is history and only that. From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:17:09 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - - - - - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
Yeah. Right. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49Q7KJ20081028 On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Rock Musician wrote: THOSE DAYS ARE OVER GET WITH THE YEAR 2008. RACISM IS OVER !!! This election is not about race . It is about a President. Racism is a thing of the past unless you are racist. In that case it is not over for you and only you. Try this Go Back To School. Get A Good Job . Make more Money. And then you will see the truth. It is over that is history and only that. From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:17:09 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - - - - - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Race Question At Asbury Park
OK, stop right now please, My post was to the theory that Bradley was a racist. Hijacking someone elses thread is really rude and unneeded. Take the politics to (../group/asburypolitics) or start your own subject. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Rock Musician wrote: ... From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - - - - - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are one city ..and should promote ourselfs as one. Design flaw in the original plan. Eastern part of Cookman blocks off continual retail to connect with bw. Suspect it will be fixed - but far off now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Design flaw in the original plan. Eastern part of Cookman blocks off continual retail to connect with bw. Suspect it will be fixed - but far off now. Lake Ave was and should be the flow off main to the BW - off Rt 33 and off a new Springwood Ave provides the flow. Or... rethink Lake Ave - WATER. That's were the open air diining should be. That's a real design flaw. I'd rather sit on Lake ave with expanded walkways, umbrellas etc then sit on a crowded sidewalk along Cookman. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but were do the funds come from? Obama is supposed to save the world. Be creative, get creative funding. UEZ, Chamber, grants etc. Good luck. ... I believe the the downtown and the boardwalk business are codependent. In theroy, they are. But if the BW can keep one's attention all day AND night, then the DT needs more. You're all going after the same $. That's where MM will or could bring in the additional market - the family. Cleary the downtown has more or less zero as a family destination - for eating, shopping etc. The boardwalk has the beach and ocean. A typical family thing. we need to promte ap as a great place to shop dine visit... its safe its fun.. there are all type of activites and a warm and vibrant community. Yes it is. And you're target market is? ..the bailout for the small business person.. when we were on the BW years ago- there were no bankers to loan money to two idiots. My sone asked me last night , so where did you get you're money to open? $5k off my Grandmother, $5k off my partners aunt and the rest the two idiots worked, didn't go out boozing or smoking or pissing it away on girlfriends, we saved it. When it rained, it rained. There were some good suppliers. They delivered supplies, we shook hands and they advised along the way to be smart. Tommy's ice Cream, Asbury syrup etc etc. The old guys that knew the business. They were like partners. its not business as usual we have to offer the consumer something that will make them walk away feeling they have received value...in product.. food ...drink...etc My son and I spend a few hours in Frank's on Main Street. its not business as usual we have to offer the consumer something that will make them walk away feeling they have received value...in product.. food ...drink...etc Again, go to Franks and watch and learn. My son gets it and when he leaves there he feels - something that made him walk away feeling we received value...in product.. food ...drink...etc He went to the Turning Point once. He's not a fancy kid. I call him cheap. Here's a last thought on business: There was a real cure restaraunt in Ocean Grove once. We'd go there often as we could. Great food, BYOB etc etc. You must order two meals . Ok, so we'd order two meals and just make one to go. Then they saw an opportunity to buy a building AP. They did. It was more involved then what they thought. They were pioneers. They nearly lost their shirt. So today the place is bigger and different and has hits and misses. I don't know the whole story but Moonstruck created a destination. First in Ocean Grove, then in AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Design flaw in the original plan. Eastern part of Cookman blocks off continual retail to connect with bw. Suspect it will be fixed - but far off now. Lake Ave was and should be the flow off main to the BW - off Rt 33 and off a new Springwood Ave provides the flow. Or... rethink Lake Ave - WATER. That's were the open air diining should be. That's a real design flaw. I'd rather sit on Lake ave with expanded walkways, umbrellas etc then sit on a crowded sidewalk along Cookman. I raised both those issues during the planning and have continued to bring them to light along with the benefits of making Ocean Ave one way north. All obvious good planning is dismissed in this incarnation however. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Good Morning Tommy I know you were addressing Sharon, but I thought I jump in and give my two cents. First of all congratulations on the win---All of our teams were undefeated until the lost to Howell. I was on vacation and did not attend the game but I heard it was a good game. The names are not new and not considered traditional. I named my daughters what I thought was at the time unique names. I did not want the traditional names like Denise, Sara, Amy, Joanne, Katie. (Taniya,Tivona,Tamara,Tierra,Tayana) I wanted to be creative. If you look at their names you see they all begin with T and end with a and they all have 6 letters. Their middle names are traditional (Michelle, Danielle) In my opinion I think the next generation after me started naming children after what they thought were muslims names with some adjustments . Some also took traditional names and added letters to make it different for instance Shawn became(Eshawn,DeShawn, DaShawn, MyShawn). Then some went in my opinion overboard with names that probably made it hard for the child to pronounce like Ashanasia, Ashaquasia then some names became probably like the names you discovered on that list --only for the child to be given a nickname that was easy to pronounce. Also the late 80-90's generation considered the traditional names as slave names. I don't think the idea was to be as you say deliberately separate because I would say to you what makes the names like Tommy and Denise, Concetta right and the names like Ashanasia, DaShawn, Chiquetta wrong. Generations have their own trends. What we thought was right in our younger years is not what is considered right to today. Most young people have they're own mindset these days that's why you now see spiked hair-, you see the gothic look, you see the pants hanging off. Do I agree with the new trends no. But you also have seen the comeback of pedal pushers(capri pants) mini dresses , penny loafers. But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her class but because her name on the application for employment was Shamika she was never even considered for the job. I grew up with Sharon's children even though they are a couple of years younger than myself I also grew up with James(Butch) Butler who lived around the block from me even though he was older. I also went to school with John Loffredo sister. I grew up in Belmar then Neptune now Asbury Park. What is going on in any community right now. I work in Freehold and it used to be that when you heard a car pulling up besides you in traffic blasting rap music with the base so strong you could feel your heart beating in your chest I thought it would have be an young African American, but instead it was a young White American. The younger generation are coming together more, I also see young kids of all colors walking around with their pants hanging off so it is not just in the black community. I just recently came from Disney they have booths that charge to put cornrows and beads in your hair which traditionally started in the black community. So what must we do! Can we hang on and hope the trends will soon change again? From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:26:48 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again ! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ ... wrote: Glenn 46, Darren 45, Angele 43, Michelle 41, Renee 37! See, not a Shamika or Hussein in the bunch! Wow Sharon I'm glad you brought that up about Shamika. Something happened recently and I hope you'll bring your considerable insight to bear on it, first as an American, and second as an African American. My friend and I were calling the Asbury-Howell game from the booth. Both of us grew up in AP and live in Howell so we were excited. When it came time to call the Asbruy Park cheerleaders, a nice woman came up to the booth with the list. She said, Do you want me to read these names over the loud speaker? I knew she thought we would be uncomfortable with the first names. We wanted her to feel comfortable so we told her we were both from AP and probably knew some of the families (we did) so we could handle the names. She gave me the list. I have to tell you, there was no first name I had ever heard of before. This was well beyond Shamika. One name I knew I couldn't handle, and asked her for help. She looked at it and admitted that she couldn't say it either. She had to make a cell phone call for the pronunciation. My friend ran through the listover the loud speaker and did a perfect job with the names. It made me realize that I may have just experienced a bit of culture clash. As an Italian, I come from people who changed their names to sound more American. Many of my cousins used their American
Re: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park
Some of us have never experienced racism so we do not know what it's like, so we can say it's over, in fact we can say it never happened!!! From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:59:26 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park Yeah. Right. http://www.reuters. com/article/ newsOne/idUSTRE4 9Q7KJ20081028 On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Rock Musician wrote: THOSE DAYS ARE OVER GET WITH THE YEAR 2008. RACISM IS OVER !!! This election is not about race . It is about a President. Racism is a thing of the past unless you are racist. In that case it is not over for you and only you. Try this Go Back To School. Get A Good Job . Make more Money. And then you will see the truth. It is over that is history and only that. _ _ __ From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:17:09 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] The Race Question At Asbury Park The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - - - - - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
Hi Denise! Thanks so much for these thoughts below. VERY insightful. Don't congratulate me on the win - unless my kid is on the Howell team, my heart is always with AP ;-). My friend and I in the booth were in that rare position of cheering for both teams touchdowns and tackles. We've heard all about AP's program in Howell this year. Outstanding! Let me add a bit to your thoughts below. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The names are not new and not considered traditional. I named my daughters what I thought was at the time unique names. I did not want the traditional names like Denise, Sara, Amy, Joanne, Katie. (Taniya,Tivona,Tamara,Tierra,Tayana) I wanted to be creative. If you look at their names you see they all begin with T and end with a and they all have 6 letters. Their middle names are traditional (Michelle, Danielle) I know what you mean. We thought we were being creative in combining two names for my daughter (Annalisa). She's only met two others. In my opinion I think the next generation after me started naming children after what they thought were muslims names with some adjustments . Some also took traditional names and added letters to make it different for instance Shawn became(Eshawn,DeShawn, DaShawn, MyShawn). Then some went in my opinion overboard with names that probably made it hard for the child to pronounce like Ashanasia, Ashaquasia then some names became probably like the names you discovered on that list --only for the child to be given a nickname that was easy to pronounce. Great history lesson, Denise. Really shows the evolution. Also the late 80-90's generation considered the traditional names as slave names. I thought that. It's a real cultural problem. I blame the schools for teaching the wrong things. I did a column on it not to long ago. It's here: http://tinyurl.com/6yhg8q I don't think the idea was to be as you say deliberately separate because I would say to you what makes the names like Tommy and Denise, Concetta right and the names like Ashanasia, DaShawn, Chiquetta wrong. I know what you mean. I didn't put my sister's name in the common name column though. That's why it was hidden from her until she was 14. The family thought it was to ethnic at the time and didn't want her having any problems fitting in. Generations have their own trends. What we thought was right in our younger years is not what is considered right to today. Most young people have they're own mindset these days that's why you now see spiked hair-, you see the gothic look, you see the pants hanging off. Do I agree with the new trends no. But you also have seen the comeback of pedal pushers(capri pants) mini dresses , penny loafers. GREAT POINT! But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her class but because her name on the application for employment was Shamika she was never even considered for the job. Exactly right! That's my fear too. Aren't we putting the children at a competitive disadvantage with the non-traditional names? That's why I call it culture clash. The European mindset was always to Americanize. The Black mindset, which has every right to America, seems to be trending toward separateness. I grew up in Belmar then Neptune now Asbury Park. What is going on in any community right now. I work in Freehold and it used to be that when you heard a car pulling up besides you in traffic blasting rap music with the base so strong you could feel your heart beating in your chest I thought it would have be an young African American, but instead it was a young White American. The younger generation are coming together more, I also see young kids of all colors walking around with their pants hanging off so it is not just in the black community. I just recently came from Disney they have booths that charge to put cornrows and beads in your hair which traditionally started in the black community. I did a column on this too. Blacks are always the trend setters in pop culture, particularly music. White people always follow what they do. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good Morning Tommy I know you were addressing Sharon, but I thought I jump in and give my two cents. Apparently, my real name would of been Elliot Pushka or so says my mother. But when my grandfather made it to America out went Pushka... Whew. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Race Question At Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner True, but some values and standards are neither modern nor ancient, just universal. Bradley may not, in his heart, have believed that one race was inherently superior to another. He did, however, market his new city as a Christian retreat while (along with his hotel guests) openly flouting the most basic directives of that religion's spiritual forbear. In so doing, he only added another layer of hypocrisy to that which already existed in his denial of equal rights to those upon whose labor the prosperity of his city relied. None of this changes the fact that he laid out a mean street plan and funded some very progressive feats of municipal engineering. Those accomplishments should never be minimized or forgotten. But just as the sewage system, flared streets and boardwalk are a part of the man's legacy, so to is the degree to which the last line of the above Times article proved wrong. Warts and all, as they say. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bradley
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But just as the sewage system, flared streets and boardwalk are a part of the man's legacy, so to is the degree to which the last line of the above Times article proved wrong. But HE took the risk and from what we read, at some point regretted it for he got to see how man reacts to another's successes - or failures. You can then question why the name bradley beach or bradley elementary school remain... You can take from the rich or let the rich give back on their own. Where is the line between rich and successful? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
My problem is I graduated from Neptune High School. My mom and dad still reside in Neptune, my two oldest daughters graduated from Neptune and my twins graduated from Asbury Park High School and my youngest is a cheerleader for AP Pop Warner. Many of the parents in AP say they bleed blue I have to say I bleed red and blue. Love both towns still. My parents and relatives taught me about my history. I don't put it all on the school to teach and we can't truly put all the blame on the teachers for what is wrong with the children of today. Little Johnny can't read because little Johnny has not been adopted by a village to teach him. It starts at home when I went to school there were two classes offered to me and I took both. There was American History taught by my Italian teacher Mr. Cafone, then there was Black History taught by my African American teacher Mr. Jake Jones. If there were things I did not understand or was confused about I went home and asked my parents. If I still had quesions I knew where the library was to do further research. Whatever the outcome I had various sources to draw my conclusion from. I worked on my youngest child from the womb. I had to put pillows in a chair so she could reach the keyboard at the age of 1 now she's teaching me a few things about electronics. From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:26:35 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again ! Hi Denise! Thanks so much for these thoughts below. VERY insightful. Don't congratulate me on the win - unless my kid is on the Howell team, my heart is always with AP ;-). My friend and I in the booth were in that rare position of cheering for both teams touchdowns and tackles. We've heard all about AP's program in Howell this year. Outstanding! Let me add a bit to your thoughts below. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, denise denisemchd@ ... wrote: The names are not new and not considered traditional. I named my daughters what I thought was at the time unique names. I did not want the traditional names like Denise, Sara, Amy, Joanne, Katie. (Taniya,Tivona, Tamara,Tierra, Tayana) I wanted to be creative. If you look at their names you see they all begin with T and end with a and they all have 6 letters. Their middle names are traditional (Michelle, Danielle) I know what you mean. We thought we were being creative in combining two names for my daughter (Annalisa). She's only met two others. In my opinion I think the next generation after me started naming children after what they thought were muslims names with some adjustments . Some also took traditional names and added letters to make it different for instance Shawn became(Eshawn, DeShawn, DaShawn, MyShawn). Then some went in my opinion overboard with names that probably made it hard for the child to pronounce like Ashanasia, Ashaquasia then some names became probably like the names you discovered on that list --only for the child to be given a nickname that was easy to pronounce. Great history lesson, Denise. Really shows the evolution. Also the late 80-90's generation considered the traditional names as slave names. I thought that. It's a real cultural problem. I blame the schools for teaching the wrong things. I did a column on it not to long ago. It's here: http://tinyurl. com/6yhg8q I don't think the idea was to be as you say deliberately separate because I would say to you what makes the names like Tommy and Denise, Concetta right and the names like Ashanasia, DaShawn, Chiquetta wrong. I know what you mean. I didn't put my sister's name in the common name column though. That's why it was hidden from her until she was 14. The family thought it was to ethnic at the time and didn't want her having any problems fitting in. Generations have their own trends. What we thought was right in our younger years is not what is considered right to today. Most young people have they're own mindset these days that's why you now see spiked hair-, you see the gothic look, you see the pants hanging off. Do I agree with the new trends no. But you also have seen the comeback of pedal pushers(capri pants) mini dresses , penny loafers. GREAT POINT! But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her class but because her name on the application for employment was Shamika she was never even considered for the job. Exactly right! That's my fear too. Aren't we putting the children at a competitive disadvantage with the non-traditional names? That's why I call it culture clash. The European mindset was always to Americanize. The Black mindset, which has every right to America, seems to be trending toward separateness. I grew up in Belmar then Neptune now Asbury Park. What is going on in any
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then they saw an opportunity to buy a building AP. They did. It was more involved then what they thought. They were pioneers. They nearly lost their shirt. So today the place is bigger and different and has hits and misses. I don't know the whole story but Moonstruck created a destination. First in Ocean Grove, then in AP. It is one of the best run restaurants I have been to. A real machine. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her class but because her name on the application for employment was Shamika she was never even considered for the job. Because the READER of that resume associates the name Shamika with something negative. The same reason I guess my father called himself Joseph eventhough his birth certificate says Giuseppe and he took Patrick as his confirmation name. A rose by any other name Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: But at the same time a certain name has hurt some people. Someone could have a master's degree and have graduated at the top of her class but because her name on the application for employment was Shamika she was never even considered for the job. That happened at Brookdale a few years ago. I think it was actaully reverse discrimination. The guy submitted two resumes. One with his real name, the other with what he thought they were looking for. He wound up suing and winning. Like applying for a job with companies or state. You get back a 3x5 card asking you check off some stuff that will not be used in the hiring process. Never a box for jewish (Other _x___) or married or needs a job otherwise I wouldn't be applying how about looking at my skills. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that. It's a real cultural problem. I blame the schools for teaching the wrong things. I did a column on it not to long ago. It's here: http://tinyurl.com/6yhg8q Another revisionist. Perhaps you also hold the view that the Civil War was really about state rights. Many of your facts are correct. But those are what I was taught in catholic grammar and high school and I am older than you. On Morning Joe this morning, Bob Herbert made a wonderful conclusion of improvement in race relations - forty years ago dogs and fire hoses were used against black Americans and in a week's time, we may elect the first today African-American president. Who that person is what matters more than his color - that is only icing on the cake for what it might mean to us and the world. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: Good Morning Tommy I know you were addressing Sharon, but I thought I jump in and give my two cents. Apparently, my real name would of been Elliot Pushka or so says my mother. But when my grandfather made it to America out went Pushka... Whew. And they settled on Dorfman? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: downtown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is one of the best run restaurants I have been to. A real machine. And they kicked off in OG when OG wasn't exactly in any good shape. They kicked off in AP before Partners, before MM and before Dan. Risk. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they settled on Dorfman? my thoughts exactly. mountain/country/village people. aka: Poor Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: And they settled on Dorfman? my thoughts exactly. mountain/country/village people. aka: Poor you know no offense intended. Like an old friend of mine who is in his seventies. Harry Buonocore. Despite the famous Harry's in Italy, that is not a common name for Italians (Enrico=Henry). His parents were immigrants and when he was born they wanted to give him an American sounding name and chose Harry based upon names in their surroundings. They lived in a jewish neighborhood. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What town does Newbee Live in?
The question I have is what is the motivation for someone who does not live here and visited once to be very active in the AP message boards? And, along those same lines, why would said person be so conerned with whether there are political discussions on the board. I think ths whole thing is odd. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know? And what's your name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Morning Joe this morning, Bob Herbert made a wonderful conclusion of improvement in race relations - forty years ago dogs and fire hoses were used against black Americans and in a week's time, we may elect the first today African-American president. Who that person is what matters more than his color - that is only icing on the cake for what it might mean to us and the world. Careful - they fired Rush Limbaugh from ESPN for saying the exact same thing about Donovan McNabb. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of your facts are correct. But those are what I was taught in catholic grammar and high school and I am older than you. And the school you went to wasn't free. They teach something different over at the government run school. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Thought on Marketing...
When you check in Hotel (even motels), you might see one of the following in either your room or the hotel lobby... 1. A flyer of local events and dining (doesn't have to be real fancy..) 2. A local paper (say the APP or The Tri-City). Not discussing the merits of either here... 3. A Local Event Paper (we have a few now I think) 4. A sharp glossy of the local area 5. A local dining and shopping guide. Given that I haven't stayed in the Empress nor the Berkin recent memory, has the chamber or anyone else produced anything and has either hotel (add tides) agreed to place these in the rooms? Then head outside AP - OG, Long Branch. Head west down 66 towards the outlet mall out to the Collingswood Circle and over to Eatontown and Rt 36. Lots of hotel/motel rooms and a pretty big race track. NEW people don't know you exist unless you let them know or they hear it from someone else. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] True...True
9 minutes of speaking truth to power. Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Race Question At Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THOSE DAYS ARE OVER GET WITH THE YEAR 2008. RACISM IS OVER !!! This election is not about race . It is about a President. Racism is a thing of the past unless you are racist. In that case it is not over for you and only you. Try this Go Back To School. Get A Good Job . Make more Money. And then you will see the truth. It is over that is history and only that. If you believe that then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can get you a great deal on too. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Many of your facts are correct. But those are what I was taught in catholic grammar and high school and I am older than you. And the school you went to wasn't free. They teach something different over at the government run school. grammar school was free. but nothing is free, not even public school. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9 minutes of speaking truth to power. Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction And his video supporting the ban of gay marriage can be seen here http://www.nmatv.com/video/180/Gay-Marriage Another right wing nut that knows the Almighty's wishes. You say Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... Do you agree with his stand on gay marriage? God called it an abomination? Where the Bible? Another book of fairy tales. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: OMG - WTF - Again !
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grammar school was free. but nothing is free, not even public school. I have to. Sorry. Public school in AP is essentially free to property owners in AP - as compared to all but 31 other districts in the state of NJ. Look at your tax bill and be thankful only a tiny portion of that supports your schools the school with the highest costs per kid is supported by the state. Back to work. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
I hope I don't offend anybody by this... But, when I hear a guy speaking out against gay marriage because of religion, it makes me want to puke. There are many religions in this world, not one. Personally, I'm a non-believer, so I don't want people who believe in what I think of as fantasy dictating my life. Now, let's say there was just one religion, and god says that gay marriage is a no no? And let's say that the bible says that gay sex is wrong because it's just about perverse pleasure, not procreation. Well, in the straight world, there are plenty of sexual acts that have absolutely nothing to do with procreation, love, or anything. I'll just mention one...anal sex. Would god think that's just fine if it's only between straight people? If so, why? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: 9 minutes of speaking truth to power. Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction And his video supporting the ban of gay marriage can be seen here http://www.nmatv.com/video/180/Gay-Marriage Another right wing nut that knows the Almighty's wishes. You say Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... Do you agree with his stand on gay marriage? God called it an abomination? Where the Bible? Another book of fairy tales. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you agree with his stand on gay marriage? Didn't see it and don't need to. Both political parties are in the same place on the issue - Barack and John agree to that on stage at the debate. Since I disagree with both, I'm immune from criticism. On the other issues, that guy is great! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: True...True
I'm not a believer either but if gay people want to get married let them do it in a civil ceremony. It should not be forced down the throats of people who find some sort of comfort in religion. The Ocean Grove thing still pisses me off. The land is owned by a church and it should be respected. I want to see two gay people try to get married in a muslim mosque. You would see two heads bouncing down the stairs. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: True...True To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 3:36 PM I hope I don't offend anybody by this... But, when I hear a guy speaking out against gay marriage because of religion, it makes me want to puke. There are many religions in this world, not one. Personally, I'm a non-believer, so I don't want people who believe in what I think of as fantasy dictating my life. Now, let's say there was just one religion, and god says that gay marriage is a no no? And let's say that the bible says that gay sex is wrong because it's just about perverse pleasure, not procreation. Well, in the straight world, there are plenty of sexual acts that have absolutely nothing to do with procreation, love, or anything. I'll just mention one...anal sex. Would god think that's just fine if it's only between straight people? If so, why? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: 9 minutes of speaking truth to power. Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... http://www.youtube. com/user/ machosauceproduc tion And his video supporting the ban of gay marriage can be seen here http://www.nmatv. com/video/ 180/Gay-Marriage Another right wing nut that knows the Almighty's wishes. You say Just got turned on to this guy. Love him! Don't miss a word... Do you agree with his stand on gay marriage? God called it an abomination? Where the Bible? Another book of fairy tales. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike you have quite a few facts wrong here. I'm not a believer either but if gay people want to get married let them do it in a civil ceremony. It should not be forced down the throats of people who find some sort of comfort in religion. Nothing is forced on a church. My wife and I could have gone to a Mayor or a Judge to get married. The law would call it marriage and we would be married. My Church wouldn't recognize it. Why can't we have the same for gays? Let them marry by Judge or Mayor in the eyes of the law. The Church doesn't have to recognize it. Everyone gets what they want - people, Church and law. Ocean Grove thing still pisses me off. The land is owned by a church No it's not. It's owned by the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association. It's not a church; it's a non-profit company. The head of it is Rasmussen, the guy whose polls you see on TV and in the newspapers everyday. I want to see two gay people try to get married in a muslim mosque. You would see two heads bouncing down the stairs. That's why they should be allowed to get married at the Courthouse or in Council Chambers. True conservatives - we always put people first. Equal rights for gays and the newly conceived - they are all humans just like you and me. Created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Race Question At Asbury Park
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Race Question At Asbury Park Asbury Park, NJ, July 14 - The colored people here are not as indignant as was supposed over the action of James A. Bradley in arranging a separate bathing ground for them. The members of the Afro-American League, who were active in the movement to hold a meeting tonight, in which Mr. Bradley was to be strongly denounced, found but little sympathy, and the whole thing ended in a fizzle. This evening the colored people denounced the hot-headed persons who talked of holding the indignation meeting. After conferring together, the leaders of the colored people decided that Mr. Bradley's action was justified by the circumstances, and there will be no trouble here over the race question. The New York Times -1890 - Applying modern values and standards to interpret events of another time and context leads to distorted conclusions. Werner Uh, Yes sir, Mr. Bradley! No problem at all, sir! We agree with the segragation for the good of the hotels! Don't know why you hung those signs up there at all! Not like any of us was going down there to the beach! We was the one's that wanted the segregation so we never went! Good grief. Careful the historian who considers less than the whole. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
In A Gay Man's Case Against Gay Marriage, Michael Bronski writes: The best argument against same-sex marriage is the argument against marriage. link to article by Bronski http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2004/05/A-Gay-Mans-Case-Against-Gay-Marriage.aspx Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: True...True
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you sleep with a man personal survival, aren't you a prostitute? Some men sleep / marry for the same reason - survival. and lets remember...marriage has nothing to do with love, commitment or monogamy in our culture, all really beautiful things. I am finding out that I am one of the few who did. Let fly over my head lots of so what if you are married... lines and more. And I'm at it for 23 years... you can't love someone if you need them. Nothing wrong with love. It's the liking people have a hard time with. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Both Sides Of Aisle Rip MSNBC
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[AsburyPark] Classic Classic Classic
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[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/web-exclusive/2436768689 reachin' hard tommmy. wicked ugly house. as has been determined, i am no architect, but those don't look anything like greek columns to me. lord, fox is desperate. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
Joe the Plumber says Obama will mean the end of Israel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith-forced_n_138674.html Jeremiah Wright is history to Obama...this butthead is a current darling of the crumbling GOP... and this... Top McCain Aides: 'Palin Simply Knew Nothing About National And International Issues' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/top-mccain-aides-palin- si_n_138724.html and another Palin A Whack Job, Top McCain Adviser Says http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/palin-a-whack-job-top-mcc_n_138523.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Classic Classic Classic
In a message dated 10/28/2008 11:04:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: reachin' hard tommmy i am no architect, but those don't look anything like greek columns to me. lord, fox is desperate. That's classic classic classic Tommy...and Fox and the tabloid blogoshere: overreaching about the trivial and under-reaching for significance; making big elections about small ideas. **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
