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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and been a royal pain in the ass... Go fetch! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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you are a freakin broken record. blah blah blah blah blah...ive said it before and ill say it again, you are nothing but a busy body trouble maker... PU --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? Sure I'm glad somebody got out there and cleaned up and prettied up the 5th Av pavilion and opened businesses there. What's not to like? But this city isn't a little girl to be told, Don't look a gift horse in the face. This is just the time when we should be looking that horse straight in the eye. As we used to say, we've been down so long anything looks like up. But this is just the time to be most wary. Just tell me why the city is giving anything up now. We've got a signed deal - two signed deals. Why should we make a third? Isn't it allowing the Partners to square the deal with MM? If so, the City is giving the Partners the equivalent of millions to give to MM in order to buy the Partnersâ way out of their hole with the City. Well? Maureen Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Show_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web _http://www.asburyradio.com/_ (http://www.asburyradio.com/) Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Speak up - It's America!! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? I asked all these questions and more of Terry Reidy in a phone conversation 2 months ago. His reply - good questions Dan. That was in response to receiving some of he answers I asked for about ownership of Partners. All I got was a list of LLCs (limited Liability companies). Terry said the negotiations will not be out of the public eye. I guess that was satisfy me. I have no more patience or time for this nonsense. They are going to do what they want. Something is wrong when credit wants to be taken for every drop of rain that falls from heaven during their term but if bird shit rains down, it ain't their fault. 5-6 years and still can't balance a budget. The only reason something is happening now is because of pressure from the naysayers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, restore881FM@ wrote: I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? I asked all these questions and more of Terry Reidy in a phone conversation 2 months ago. His reply - good questions Dan. That was in response to receiving some of he answers I asked for about ownership of Partners. All I got was a list of LLCs (limited Liability companies). Terry said the negotiations will not be out of the public eye. I guess that was satisfy me. I have no more patience or time for this nonsense. They are going to do what they want. Something is wrong when credit wants to be taken for every drop of rain that falls from heaven during their term but if bird shit rains down, it ain't their fault. 5-6 years and still can't balance a budget. The only reason something is happening now is because of pressure from the naysayers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! I've paid my taxes, invested here and support local business mongrel boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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and been a royal pain in the ass... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rawdogalways rawdogalways@ wrote: ok dan, thank you. you have done so much for this city...NOT!!! I've paid my taxes, invested here and support local business mongrel boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
I'm amazed by the Press' reaction to this MM deal with Asbury Partners. The editorial board interview was a cream puff job. No financials -- again!! The only way to be confident of the partnership is to know what they're in for - a dime or a dollar. What's the commitment? Is there an out clause? Do we get to see this contract - ever? And, why should it cost AP anything? Can you say Breach of Contract? Does anyone recall the Dispute Resolution Agreement? Isn't this allowing the Partners to dodge another commitment and more deadlines? Tell me where it's not so. Another round of negotiating is necessary, says Bruno. Another round of private - out of the public eye talk among the principals - who don't include you or me. This basically allows the City to acquiesce instead of pressing its rightful legal position with the Partners. Now the City will be one more entity removed from enforcing its rights. Gees, only a lawyer like Faiella could feel comfortable plunging into a tangled web like this one. Oh, that's right, Faiella is the Partners' lawyer. What did the editorial board story say, Lamle is a 50% partner? Lamle? We know that Cherokee is a 50% partner. So who's out of the game? Or is the Press just playing loose with the facts again? As in oh they declined to discuss the financial end of this reportedly $150 million investment. The financials are the story!!! How does the City enforce its interests in this deal if it's between the Partners and MM? Sure I'm glad somebody got out there and cleaned up and prettied up the 5th Av pavilion and opened businesses there. What's not to like? But this city isn't a little girl to be told, Don't look a gift horse in the face. This is just the time when we should be looking that horse straight in the eye. As we used to say, we've been down so long anything looks like up. But this is just the time to be most wary. Just tell me why the city is giving anything up now. We've got a signed deal - two signed deals. Why should we make a third? Isn't it allowing the Partners to square the deal with MM? If so, the City is giving the Partners the equivalent of millions to give to MM in order to buy the Partners’ way out of their hole with the City. Well? Maureen Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Show_mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web _http://www.asburyradio.com/_ (http://www.asburyradio.com/) Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Speak up - It's America!! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madison Marquette Answers to Your Questions
I agree Tommy. I think this is clearly a victory for those who wish to see more tourism/entertainment in the plan. It's kind of funny seeing the same people who boasted about the success of their residential plan ideas now boasting about the success of the tourism angle... I think the hotel could be a much better success than people are thinking. There are VERY FEW hotels along the shore of Monmouth County these days. The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Let's say the new hotel advertises on a similar national/regional level - that would bring people back to Asbury and back into looking at hotel prices in the area which could lead to more visitors at the other hotels as well. If marketed correctly, people that were planning on coming to a town like Belmar (maybe for the Seafood Festival) might stay in Asbury rather than a hotel in Wall. Hotels are needed to make the tourism idea work and the existence of a new hotel would also force the idea of entertainment into play. On Jun 13, 2007, at 6:53 PM, justifiedright wrote: I'm with you, Chuck. The division here was always between the people that like the current residential plan and the people that wanted a mixed use with more tourism/entertainment thrown in. This latest development is a turn toward the tourism side. I expected this news to be heralded here as a victory for the tourism/entertainment folks.
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The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day. They cater to their clients from NY/Brooklyn. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day. They cater to their clients from NY/Brooklyn. Chetrit buying BCH. Joe, there's no room at the inn. Don't worry, I'll buy some place where you can stay. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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OceanPlace also does tons of those home shows and business conferences to get people year round. I agree that the Berkeley will most likely start advertising on a good scale, but so far the two hotels seem to rely on the word of mouth more than anything. The Berkeley seems to do well with weddings and stuff. I can't see why a new hotel wouldn't be a success. People seem to forget all of the uses that a hotel has and the advantages of a hotel by the beach are enormous. Imagine: 1) weddings 2) business conferences 3) beach and summer travelers 4) event goers spending the night for concerts 5) the simple addition of being the newest hotel (and most likely the most state-of-the-art, clean, nice features, etc.) There's more than enough reasons for it to be a success imo. On Jun 15, 2007, at 12:55 PM, oakdorf wrote: The only hotel that I've seen advertise on a decent level is the Ocean Place in Long Branch and that always has plenty of cars there. Ocean Place is booked from June 15 to labor day. They cater to their clients from NY/Brooklyn.
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I'd just wiat and see what they do at the BCH. The Deal Casino (beach club) is getting a multi-millon $ makeover over the next 5 years. Getting a steak house as well whcih is opening next week. Why? Oceanfront. Here's some math for the weekend: 1. Acre in Elberon is running around $3.5-$5.0 per 1 acre on the Ocean, and there's nothing for sale. Kushner piad $4.0m for a house in front of his to knock down. 2. They were selling psocards of AP (3in x 5 inch) for $8.00 What cost more per sq in? Land in Asbury, or an $8.00 postcard? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Chetrit buying BCH. Joe, there's no room at the inn. Don't worry, I'll buy some place where you can stay. Much cheaper then paying $10m just for land on the ocean, then 2 years for an architect and 4 years to build just a house. And the kids each get their own room. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some math for the weekend: 1. Acre in Elberon is running around $3.5-$5.0 per 1 acre on the Ocean, and there's nothing for sale. Kushner piad $4.0m for a house in front of his to knock down. 2. They were selling psocards of AP (3in x 5 inch) for $8.00 What cost more per sq in? Land in Asbury, or an $8.00 postcard? The postcard comes to $76.80/sf. Is that buildable sf? ;) Depends on where the land is. What's the plot size of Esperanza? I tried to do buildable at one point but didn't have the total sf they were building. I figure 350,000 sf based on average of 1,500 sf/unit at 224 units plus 7% add-on for common/gross (actually closer to 360,000). If you use $17.1 (upfront payment) its $49/sf. Then you can add $4.5M for infrastructure which ups it. Let's not forget 7% of sales kicker. Remember, the pro forma showed a total cost of $33M for the land, or roughly double the above. So, like everything else in AP, its who's set of facts you want to use. BTW, I didn't ask, was that a waterfront postcard or inland? Couldn't wait until the weekend, I have pay work then. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks T Not much more other then wait and see. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I find myself having to pull the car over to stay in the lane! Get an alignment or put air in your tires. ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the horses back in the Casino. That's worth a ton in positive PR and in exchange for changes in the plan (where they get MORE land) , let the horses return. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like the idea of not having a carousel inside the carousel building. There is not much thought that needs to go into what you should put in a building specifically designed for a carousel. While he MAY think that there are more profitable uses for the space, he should think how many people will bring their kids there. That building deserves a really great carousel (they are selling the rides from Coney Island online). It would be an absolute hit. People would come for miles just to ride it. And it would be a complement to many other uses as they arise from the entertainment area. Ah, no vision. But I can see my use in the Heating Plant (how's that Werner?). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself having to pull the car over to stay in the lane! Get an alignment or put air in your tires. ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the horses back in the Casino. That's worth a ton in positive PR and in exchange for changes in the plan (where they get MORE land) , let the horses return. Didn't see your post while writing mind. Great (real estate) minds think alike (again). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thought of a 20 story hotel sounds ridiculous to me. None of the redevelopment plans include anything that would actually Parking, retail, hotel and condos on top = $ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone asked about the Lake ave. close off? It wasn't posted, but this was only part one? Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or misinformation than so be it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yeah, but who is going to stay in this 20 story hotel? And is there really ever going to be enough demand for that many more hotel rooms? Retail doesn't create that kind of demand. And observation tower won't create that kind of demand. And what about the Berkley Carteret. It's already here. Does it need competition from another hotel (provided that the demand is there) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: The thought of a 20 story hotel sounds ridiculous to me. None of the redevelopment plans include anything that would actually Parking, retail, hotel and condos on top = $ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but who is going to stay in this 20 story hotel? And is there really ever going to be enough demand for that many more hotel rooms? Retail doesn't create that kind of demand. And observation tower won't create that kind of demand. And what about the Berkley Carteret. It's already here. Does it need competition from another hotel (provided that the demand is there) Grasshopper, you must look beyond the horizon, past the rays of the sun. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Actually, I think that it's more important to look at how AP is viewed by the masses who don't live in the city. Those are the people we are trying to attract... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but who is going to stay in this 20 story hotel? And is there really ever going to be enough demand for that many more hotel rooms? Retail doesn't create that kind of demand. And observation tower won't create that kind of demand. And what about the Berkley Carteret. It's already here. Does it need competition from another hotel (provided that the demand is there) Grasshopper, you must look beyond the horizon, past the rays of the sun. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/13/2007 2:56:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ON the Carosouel the BEST PR they could ever do would be to put the horses back in the Casino. Ties for 5 Stars! (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyParkGLH/database?query=mariosubmit=Searchmethod=reportRowstbl=3) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or misinformation than so be it. Fixated on it? Hmm, all right. Whatever information you were told, you were heart set on it being true. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to not understand some of the comments on this board. No matter what is said, its picked apart?? Arn't hotels part of the future that some on this list want? The whole tourist, people, visiting on weekends theory? When such an idea for a hotel arises, why wold you then talk down on it? Saying it will never work, and where are the people to fill it up? == Charlie you are not considering the Big Picture. For a Hotel to function there must attractions that would require overnight stays. The current plan is a RESIDENTIAL USE based plan not a destination tourism plan. It would not be prudent to construct a Hotel with no market for its use. We already have 2 hotels that are underutilized. (BCH and Empress) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is not much thought that needs to go into what you should put in a building specifically designed for a carousel. While he MAY think that there are more profitable uses for the space, he should think how many people will bring their kids there. That building deserves a really great carousel (they are selling the rides from Coney Island online). It would be an absolute hit. People would come for miles just to ride it. And it would be a complement to many other uses as they arise from the entertainment area. Ah, no vision. But I can see my use in the Heating Plant (how's that Werner?). === This is so obvious that they will definitely not do it :-( I can hear it already : 'Oh THAT, Thats the OLD Asbury Park' What's your point about the Heating Plant? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for. Freehold Mall has the 2 story one right i the food court. How many have made the haul there just to spin around, then blow some more $ in the food court? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you fixated on that? I was the one that said MM wanted it reopened. That's what I was told, if it's changed or misinformation than so be it. Fixated on it? Hmm, all right. Whatever information you were told, you were heart set on it being true. My heart is only set on living long and retiring early and wealthy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's your point about the Heating Plant? Werner I used the correct lexicon (not power plant). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for. Freehold Mall has the 2 story one right i the food court. How many have made the haul there just to spin around, then blow some more $ in the food court? Think of all the free advice these guys are getting. I keep seeing the meter go by at $500 per. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: What's your point about the Heating Plant? Werner I used the correct lexicon (not power plant). Excellent - A+++ - Top notch Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Charlie you are not considering the Big Picture. For a Hotel to function there must attractions that would require overnight stays. The current plan is a RESIDENTIAL USE based plan not a destination tourism plan. It would not be prudent to construct a Hotel with no market for its use. We already have 2 hotels that are underutilized. (BCH and Empress) Werner That's true. However, the new BCH owners must have some high hopes in mind. Why else would they buy a hotel in such an area, if there were no need for it? I don't think they'd be willing to put all that money into it if the end result were not in their favor. I think the Empress is pretty busy on weekends thru-out the summer, due to people coming in to attend club Paradise. The plan is residential mostly, but we do have the entertainment zone. More retail stores then anything, but theres got to be something else there that would attrack people? Why else would they want put a hotel into the plan in the first place? Sometimes they may not be the brightest on obvious issues, but they do know some things? What happened to the whole visitors coming to the city for a weekend to shop, eat, walk the beautiful boardwalk? These were all ideas that were posted a few months ago, reasons why people would want to come stay in the city. Did the people that said these ideas change their minds? Or did they forget what they had said? A nice get away place for a weekend. Also, this may be far fetched, but arn't hotels places for people to stay? How do the hotels on highway 35 stay open? Just becasue a hotel is on the shore in AP, doesn't mean the people staying have to stay within the square mile of AP!! A hotel on the Jersey Shore is a good thing, there are lots of places and beaches in the surrounding area also. It would be good to have them say, I'm staying at in AP Makes AP more visiable on the map again. Also, since they'd be staying right on the beach in AP, i'm sure theyd venture outside and see what's out there. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
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the horses back in the casino is also the CHEAPEST PR one could ask for. From other posts, you know i'd like seeing the carousel back in the building. It would be good marketing, but what is it marketing? I don't think thats the image they want to attrack to that buildnig, or area at all! Food courts and markets dont mix with the types of things associated with carousels - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true. However, the new BCH owners must have some high hopes in mind. Why else would they buy a hotel in such an area, if there were no need for it? I don't think they'd be willing to put all that money into it if the end result were not in their favor. I think the Empress is pretty busy on weekends thru-out the summer, due to people coming in to attend club Paradise. Chetrit has homes in Deal. He made his money in the rag (garment) trade. That's what Deal is mostly, sephardics from the rag trade. yes, he maybe sees upside. But what he paid is lunch money to him (now). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:38:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do the hotels on highway 35 stay open? Just becasue a hotel is on the shore in AP, doesn't mean the people staying have to stay within the square mile of AP!! Good point. I'm assuming those hotels exist because there's a market for a lot of men and women here on business. But those boxes have a sterile look and feel. No vibes, no views. Get them here to rooms with a view, some salt air, and a world of possibilities within blocks. grin ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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In a message dated 6/13/2007 6:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be good marketing, but what is it marketing? Whatever it is it's what draws crowds year after year to Ocean Township's Italian Festival, even though they have the same ol' corny stuff year after year. People don't seem to tire of it. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyParkGLH/database?query=mariosubmit=Searchmethod=reportRowstbl=3) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Right, thats along the lines of what i was saying. Hotels in general stay in business becasue people go places and sometimes need places to stay. Wouldnt you rather have them staying in AP then on highway 35? Although, i guess a hotel on 35 would most likely run cheaper then one on the beach in AP. Or anywhere for that matter. But the point i was trying to make was clear i think. Years and years ago, when Ap and Ocean grove were more similar, do you think anyone ever stayed in an hotel in Ap, then walked over to Ocean grove? Historic Ocean grove, right next to AP. I'm sure people would stay in hotels in AP if they were visiting OG. OG fills up fast in the summer. Hotels attrack people to the area. That's a very good thing. Even when you stay a motel or hotel, you dirve around seeing what there is to do around you, or whats near by. Gee, if your hotel is right in the middle of Ap, then you may have found something! Perhaps next time, you'd come back, but for the purpose of being in the cool beach town you've discovered. How do the hotels on highway 35 stay open? Just becasue a hotel is on the shore in AP, doesn't mean the people staying have to stay within the square mile of AP!! Good point. I'm assuming those hotels exist because there's a market for a lot of men and women here on business. But those boxes have a sterile look and feel. No vibes, no views. Get them here to rooms with a view, some salt air, and a world of possibilities within blocks. grin - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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Whatever it is it's what draws crowds year after year to Ocean Township's Italian Festival, even though they have the same ol' corny stuff year after year. People don't seem to tire of it That's true. But you don't see people looking for a hotel in Ocean to be there for the fair do you? haha. People from the surrounding areas come to Ocean for the fair. They know its there, so if they want to, they go. AP has a beach and a big boardwalk. A boardwalk that will hopefully have cool things on it in the future. That's enough of a reason alone to go! Look at somewhere like Point pleasent, what's there? If you take away the boardwalk, rides, stores and food... whats left? There is a dowtown area, but it's not much. The boardwalk and it's attractions along are enough to bring in a lot of people! Anything you add to that is bonous. Ap has the Convention hall, Casino, and Paramount. Were already ahead! Just make sure the boardwalk and what's on it is good, and people will migrate all over. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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I'm agreeing with you. Point is that a carousel would be very appropriate again. IMO Casino location's better than between pavilions. Could be integrated with the proposed market. Just glad there seems to be excitement and energy again. In a message dated 6/13/2007 9:27:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whatever it is it's what draws crowds year after year to Ocean Township's Italian Festival, even though they have the same ol' corny stuff year after year. People don't seem to tire of it That's true. But you don't see people looking for a hotel in Ocean to be there for the fair do you? haha. People from the surrounding areas come to Ocean for the fair. They know its there, so if they want to, they go. AP has a beach and a big boardwalk. A boardwalk that will hopefully have cool things on it in the future. That's enough of a reason alone to go! Look at somewhere like Point pleasent, what's there? If you take away the boardwalk, rides, stores and food... whats left? There is a dowtown area, but it's not much. The boardwalk and it's attractions along are enough to bring in a lot of people! Anything you add to that is bonous. Ap has the Convention hall, Casino, and Paramount. Were already ahead! Just make sure the boardwalk and what's on it is good, and people will migrate all over. Mario Sunset Avenue _Click here: AsburyParkGLH : Records_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyParkGLH/database?query=mariosubmit=Searchmethod=reportRowstbl=3) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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I'm agreeing with you. Point is that a carousel would be very appropriate again. IMO Casino location's better than between pavilions. Could be integrated with the proposed market. Just glad there seems to be excitement and energy again. I know what you're saying. The carousel should go inside the building it has alwasy been in. People WANT to see it there. It would create much needed hype for the entire project i think. But, if we can't get it back in there... then i guess we can't. I just hope the market doesn't spread into that area too. i'd rather see a bar in there, with stairs going upstairs somehow, to the posiable music venue upstairs in the Casino? Who knows! I get mixed feelings when i hear a posiable farris wheel or caarousel being placed in some of the grassy areas between the pavillions. It doesn't sound real to me. But, we will see what happens - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
