[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Wasn't going to comment on Vick, but what's the difference between Vick and Dick Cheney, on a controlled hunt, where he shot his friend in the face and was with 2 women, neither of which, were their wives? Mind you, I DON'T condone any of the activities going on, on his property! I think Vick, whose relatives were staying there, are the culprits in all this, ratted HIM, out, because it was on Vick's property and Vick, is taking the slam for them! Rather than see his relatives go to jail, they were lured into getting a deal from the authorities that, if they delivered Vick, they'd get off, which is how this probably worked! What if Vick and his relatives went deer hunting, as many men do in this region and bear hunting, too? Would any of you be so judgemental? NONE of you know the REAL story! Vick IS a prominent Black Football Player, that YOU probably think he doesn't deserve. It's the OJ syndrome! 9 out of 10 of you think OJ did it! I don't, but feel he knows who did! You weren't there, either! Judge lest ye be judged, is an old adage. Just as Sen. Craig called Clinton a naughty boy, hypocritically, WHO is the naughty boy, now? Just an observation of how white America thinks, when a prominent Black, is pre-judged. Remember, I don't condone torturing ANY animals! Let the flames begin! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the fact that he was running a gambling ring and financing the entire operation doesn't bother you at all? The fact that he enjoyed engaging in torture doesn't bother you (oh sorry, you're a neocon so that one probably doesn't bother you) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
The difference is, Vick has admitted to participating in killing the dogs, which include drowning and electrocution. I think it's sad that you are playing the race card on this one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't going to comment on Vick, but what's the difference between Vick and Dick Cheney, on a controlled hunt, where he shot his friend in the face and was with 2 women, neither of which, were their wives? Mind you, I DON'T condone any of the activities going on, on his property! I think Vick, whose relatives were staying there, are the culprits in all this, ratted HIM, out, because it was on Vick's property and Vick, is taking the slam for them! Rather than see his relatives go to jail, they were lured into getting a deal from the authorities that, if they delivered Vick, they'd get off, which is how this probably worked! What if Vick and his relatives went deer hunting, as many men do in this region and bear hunting, too? Would any of you be so judgemental? NONE of you know the REAL story! Vick IS a prominent Black Football Player, that YOU probably think he doesn't deserve. It's the OJ syndrome! 9 out of 10 of you think OJ did it! I don't, but feel he knows who did! You weren't there, either! Judge lest ye be judged, is an old adage. Just as Sen. Craig called Clinton a naughty boy, hypocritically, WHO is the naughty boy, now? Just an observation of how white America thinks, when a prominent Black, is pre-judged. Remember, I don't condone torturing ANY animals! Let the flames begin! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: So the fact that he was running a gambling ring and financing the entire operation doesn't bother you at all? The fact that he enjoyed engaging in torture doesn't bother you (oh sorry, you're a neocon so that one probably doesn't bother you) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Dear Flamethrower, Before making comments like this please read the entire indictment. It does not matter in the least what color this POS is, he clearly is a sadistic monster and he should be away from the general population, as far away as possible. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't going to comment on Vick, but what's the difference between Vick and Dick Cheney, on a controlled hunt, where he shot his friend in the face and was with 2 women, neither of which, were their wives? Mind you, I DON'T condone any of the activities going on, on his property! I think Vick, whose relatives were staying there, are the culprits in all this, ratted HIM, out, because it was on Vick's property and Vick, is taking the slam for them! Rather than see his relatives go to jail, they were lured into getting a deal from the authorities that, if they delivered Vick, they'd get off, which is how this probably worked! What if Vick and his relatives went deer hunting, as many men do in this region and bear hunting, too? Would any of you be so judgemental? NONE of you know the REAL story! Vick IS a prominent Black Football Player, that YOU probably think he doesn't deserve. It's the OJ syndrome! 9 out of 10 of you think OJ did it! I don't, but feel he knows who did! You weren't there, either! Judge lest ye be judged, is an old adage. Just as Sen. Craig called Clinton a naughty boy, hypocritically, WHO is the naughty boy, now? Just an observation of how white America thinks, when a prominent Black, is pre-judged. Remember, I don't condone torturing ANY animals! Let the flames begin! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: So the fact that he was running a gambling ring and financing the entire operation doesn't bother you at all? The fact that he enjoyed engaging in torture doesn't bother you (oh sorry, you're a neocon so that one probably doesn't bother you) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Edited for brevity: Not playing the race card. You'd have a chip as long as the boardwalk, if you were black, too! Following up. My son, 45, told me that he knows all about Vick and company. He said Vick comes from that environment, the gansta rappers, gangs, drugs, etc. When he became a millionaire, the money didn't gain him, the sophistication, needed, to behave, like someone with some sense! Said that Vick's mother, is also notorious, entering the stadium wearing a jersey with a full length mink coat, acting like a hoochie mama! Well! I stand corrected for sounding like the church lady or Emily Litella, of Saturday Night Live! NEVER MIND! Apologies to all! Not too arrogant, to say I'm sorry! My son, has always been aware of what goes on in the sports world, having played that sport and is a NCAA Champion, when he ran track at Stockton, in South Jersey. Reads Street and Smith and is a walking statistician, on all sports! I normally don't engage him, because he never stops talking, once he gets started! Again, sorry! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is, Vick has admitted to participating in killing the dogs, which include drowning and electrocution. I think it's sad that you are playing the race card on this one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Dear Fanny: You're no angel, either! Flame on! Opinions are like A$$-holes; everybody has one! Re-read my post, before you comment! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fannyfooster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Flamethrower, Before making comments like this please read the entire indictment. It does not matter in the least what color this POS is, he clearly is a sadistic monster and he should be away from the general population, as far away as possible. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Wasn't going to comment on Vick, but what's the difference between Vick and Dick Cheney, on a controlled hunt, where he shot his friend in the face and was with 2 women, neither of which, were their wives? Mind you, I DON'T condone any of the activities going on, on his property! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Hypocrites, ALL! These Gay-Bashing, Racists, Republicans, know which buttons to push, to furthur their agendas of fear! Keep them scared, VERY scared. Americans, who don't read, or remember the past dastardly deeds, of this former Southern Democrats, before 1964, have used these same tactics over the centuries, since the end of the civil war, to reinstitute a country, which uses race-baiting lies, to keep Blacks and others they deem, undesirable from attaining, the American Dream! When jobs and factories were being shut down and shipped overseas, they only saw dollar profits. What has occurred, is production of shoddy goods, food, dangerous toys and even American Flags, that say Made in China! Every week, we are bombarded, with yet, another dangerous toy, food, fake drug, being shipped by the ton, to citizens, who can ill afford to ingesting plastic, dogs being poisoned, or our kids, endangered by lead paint and magnets, being swallowed by a stupid, gullible public, who voted for these demons in office! Can I sell you a bridge to nowhere? Your tax dollars, at work! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/31/2007 6:17:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larry Craig's bathroom behavior and the right wing -- then and now: _http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/28/craig/_ (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/28/craig/) Bull's eye from the above: The same political movement that impeached Bill Clinton and which has _made a living_ (http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/bush-followers-outraged-over-political.html) exploiting issues of private morality for political gain insisted that Rogers had reached a new and despicable low in politics even by reporting this. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So prove you're a Patriot and sign up! I'm sure they can use you! My son, who is your age speaks fluent Korean, having served a year over there in Military Intelligence, so go ahead, Make my Day! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand the folks that insist that we needed a connection between Saddam and 9/11 to invade Iraq. After 9/11 the President didn't say we are going after just the guys who were involved in 9/11. He didn't say that we would leave the rest of the terrorists in the world alone. The President said we would go after all those involved in international terrorists, everywhere in the world. He even famously said, you are with us or with the terrorists. Saddam Hussein was involved in International Terrorism, including against the United States. He also harboured international terroists. That's a good enough reason to take him out. - Abu Abbas was the leader of the group that hijacked the Achille Lauro and killed American Leon Klinghoffer. Where'd we find him? In Iraq when we invaded in 2003. - Abu Nidal was one of the world's more effective terrorists. He killed people all over the world. It was he who planned to kill Oliver North's family in Virginia (it was North's job to get him on behalf of the US). Iraq allowed his group to be based there. Where'd was he finally killed? Baghdad, 2002, HIS HOME. - al-Zarqawi tried to blow up hotels in the 1990's that he believed were frequented by Americans. He became the al-Qeada leader in Iraq in 2001 (you all remember al-qeada, and what they did on September 11, 2001, right?). Working from his Iraq base in 2002, he killed Lawrence Foley, American diplomat to Jordan. He planned a NATO attack from Iraq. It was he who beheaded American Nick Berg on video. He fought against US soldiers in Afghanistan BEFORE we invaded Iraq. In Iraq he killed thousands through bombing campaigns, including US soliders. When he was injured he treated at Saddam's state run hospital. We eventually killed him in IRAQ, where Saddam allowed the AL-QEADA leader to operate. - Saddam Hussien paid the families of suicide bombers $25,000.00 each. He is estimated to have made more than $10 million in payments. Figure out the number of bombers, multiply that by the number of innocents the bombers blew up (including Americans in Isreal) and that makes Saddam on awfully big player in Internation terrorism, including agaist Americans. -Saddam's regime attempted the assassination of former President George H.W. Bush. For those of you that think America should not have taken out this international terrorts, who not only committed acts of terrorism against he US and our people but harbored and paid those that did, to I say, you are wrong. You must not want to fight terrorists, or you just didn't know the facts. I'll let you pick one. To anyone on this board that said our soldiers in Iraq died in vain, shame on you. They died protecting you. How dare you dishonor your portectors. Saddam told Valerie Plame's husband that the US will not have the guts to see 10,000 soldiers die in the desert. He over-estimazted the courage of some on this board by a great deal. Good Bless the troops, our President and this great fight to defeat terrorists all over the world, whether they were involved in 9/11 or just applauded it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Make sure you read Tommy's article about Michael Vicks as well. He's got it all figured out. He reminds us how great we humans are, that dogs are cute but otherwise insignificant...all without pointing out that Vicks broke a very serious law. Not one, several of them. Tommy doesn't seem to understand that by being a pro football player, he's also a role model because of that position. Some role model. Killing dogs, probably with his bare hands. Vicks is a multi-millionaire because of his ability to do things with a ball. His name also makes millions for manufactures and the NFL. And somehow, he should get a pass because he merely killed cute animals. While I completely understand the point Tommy was trying to raise, unfortunately he made a poor choice to illustrate his point. All in the name of Him as Tommy puts it. I look forward to the TCN responses for this one. Sometimes, I wonder if the TCN holds on to Tommy just for shock value. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote: One of the best responses I've seen is in the current issue of triCityNews, excerpted below. Aside from the anger at having his patriotism questioned, Dr. Lipton raises questions about Tom's motivations: Insightful, maybe even a definitive explanation for the game playing here. That made my eggs taste 20 times better when I read it yesterday in Chat N Nibble. Better than tabasco. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
Yeah, Vick conspired to finance, house and helped run an illegal enterprise focused on illegal gambling through the torture and killing of animals. He forgets that the entire enterprise itself was illegal on many levels - our has this great legal mind forgotten that running a gambling enterprise is illegal. Not to mention that Vick displayed a level of cruelty beyond just fighting dogs - which is bad enough - but killing them not quickly and humanely but by strangulation, electrocution, etc... This is the kind of behavior you see in serial killers, and not the kind of role models I'd like my money to help fund each time I watch a football game. And Jack I am sure that shock value is the only reason Tom's published. They clearly feel the only way to get people to read the paper is to include this kind of rubbish and inflame senseabilities. Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sure you read Tommy's article about Michael Vicks as well. He's got it all figured out. He reminds us how great we humans are, that dogs are cute but otherwise insignificant...all without pointing out that Vicks broke a very serious law. Not one, several of them. Tommy doesn't seem to understand that by being a pro football player, he's also a role model because of that position. Some role model. Killing dogs, probably with his bare hands. Vicks is a multi-millionaire because of his ability to do things with a ball. His name also makes millions for manufactures and the NFL. And somehow, he should get a pass because he merely killed cute animals. While I completely understand the point Tommy was trying to raise, unfortunately he made a poor choice to illustrate his point. All in the name of Him as Tommy puts it. I look forward to the TCN responses for this one. Sometimes, I wonder if the TCN holds on to Tommy just for shock value. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote: One of the best responses I've seen is in the current issue of triCityNews, excerpted below. Aside from the anger at having his patriotism questioned, Dr. Lipton raises questions about Tom's motivations: Insightful, maybe even a definitive explanation for the game playing here. That made my eggs taste 20 times better when I read it yesterday in Chat N Nibble. Better than tabasco. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: RNC Talking Points
In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:33:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Make sure you read Tommy's article about Michael Vicks as well. What Lipton's letter calls a teen's fart joke. He's got it all figured out. He reminds us how great we humans are, that dogs are cute but otherwise insignificant...all without pointing out that Vicks broke a very serious law. Not one, several of them. Tommy doesn't seem to understand that by being a pro football player, he's also a role model because of that position. Some role model. Killing dogs, probably with his bare hands. Vicks is a multi-millionaire because of his ability to do things with a ball. His name also makes millions for manufactures and the NFL. And somehow, he should get a pass because he merely killed cute animals. While I completely understand the point Tommy was trying to raise, unfortunately he made a poor choice to illustrate his point. All in the name of Him as Tommy puts it. I look forward to the TCN responses for this one. Sometimes, I wonder if the TCN holds on to Tommy just for shock value. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Because an article about real issues with a reasonable point of view will spark a debate but not make him the center of attention. By taking such an extreme and ridiculous argument as his Vick article - or for that matter insert most of his POV's - Tom himself becomes the focal point and the argument becomes about him rather than about the issue. That's just how he likes it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hey Tommy. Here's my opinion... To support Bush or his war, in any way, is un-patriotic. To speak out agains him and his war is the ultimate expression of patriotism. Every time he opens his mouth, and our wallets, he does damage to the reputation and respect of America. So, am I proud to be an American? On some level, yes. Am I proud to be an American of an America led by Bush. Hell no. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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He thrives on the attention. I heard a rumor that he also has a velvet painting of Ann Coulter in his living room. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, Vick conspired to finance, house and helped run an illegal enterprise focused on illegal gambling through the torture and killing of animals. He forgets that the entire enterprise itself was illegal on many levels - our has this great legal mind forgotten that running a gambling enterprise is illegal. Not to mention that Vick displayed a level of cruelty beyond just fighting dogs - which is bad enough - but killing them not quickly and humanely but by strangulation, electrocution, etc... This is the kind of behavior you see in serial killers, and not the kind of role models I'd like my money to help fund each time I watch a football game. And Jack I am sure that shock value is the only reason Tom's published. They clearly feel the only way to get people to read the paper is to include this kind of rubbish and inflame senseabilities. Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Make sure you read Tommy's article about Michael Vicks as well. He's got it all figured out. He reminds us how great we humans are, that dogs are cute but otherwise insignificant...all without pointing out that Vicks broke a very serious law. Not one, several of them. Tommy doesn't seem to understand that by being a pro football player, he's also a role model because of that position. Some role model. Killing dogs, probably with his bare hands. Vicks is a multi-millionaire because of his ability to do things with a ball. His name also makes millions for manufactures and the NFL. And somehow, he should get a pass because he merely killed cute animals. While I completely understand the point Tommy was trying to raise, unfortunately he made a poor choice to illustrate his point. All in the name of Him as Tommy puts it. I look forward to the TCN responses for this one. Sometimes, I wonder if the TCN holds on to Tommy just for shock value. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote: One of the best responses I've seen is in the current issue of triCityNews, excerpted below. Aside from the anger at having his patriotism questioned, Dr. Lipton raises questions about Tom's motivations: Insightful, maybe even a definitive explanation for the game playing here. That made my eggs taste 20 times better when I read it yesterday in Chat N Nibble. Better than tabasco. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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AsburyCouple I'm really at a loss as to how the Vick column could be about me, or how it could even be controversial at all, let alone the controversy being the plan. All the column points out (as animal rights advocates have pointed out for years) is that in this world, we treat animals as special or not special or protected or not protected based on our own needs of the animals, not based upon anything inherent in the animal. Like it or not, that creates a hypocrisy. When Vick kills his dogs, we are offended. Are we offended for the animal? If so, why not be offended at killing other dogs or other animals, which happends all the time? If humans thought of dogs as special, we would abhor the killing of any dog, as we would the killing of any human, but we don't. Our reactions seem to be based upon our view of the killing, not the animal's view of it. If our sympathy truly was with the animal, we would hate all killing of animals, hunting included. Yes that dove-tails into the argument of who possesses a soul. Yes it dove-tails into the abortion argument, since a fetus is a vertebrate mammal in the animal kingdom, and in some people's a opinion, more important than a dog. I don't see how pointing out the hypocrisy makes the column about me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because an article about real issues with a reasonable point of view will spark a debate but not make him the center of attention. By taking such an extreme and ridiculous argument as his Vick article - or for that matter insert most of his POV's - Tom himself becomes the focal point and the argument becomes about him rather than about the issue. That's just how he likes it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asburycouple@ writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Imagine how their victim's families will feel if Vick gets a lifetime ban while those 2 guys didn't. Aren't you offended by that hypocrisy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Tommy, the columns title is about Vick. You say let him play football. End of story. Somehow, you managed to forget that fact. Yes, you did write about hypocrisy, and it's remotely possible that you raised some actual points, but you still hooked people in with the headline about letting Vick play football. End of story in my opinion. Everything else you wrote just made it more laughable and deplorable at the same time. Just like you did about Clearwater. I'm sure your Vick article won't have the effect you desired, and it'll probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: AsburyCouple I'm really at a loss as to how the Vick column could be about me, or how it could even be controversial at all, let alone the controversy being the plan. All the column points out (as animal rights advocates have pointed out for years) is that in this world, we treat animals as special or not special or protected or not protected based on our own needs of the animals, not based upon anything inherent in the animal. Like it or not, that creates a hypocrisy. When Vick kills his dogs, we are offended. Are we offended for the animal? If so, why not be offended at killing other dogs or other animals, which happends all the time? If humans thought of dogs as special, we would abhor the killing of any dog, as we would the killing of any human, but we don't. Our reactions seem to be based upon our view of the killing, not the animal's view of it. If our sympathy truly was with the animal, we would hate all killing of animals, hunting included. Yes that dove-tails into the argument of who possesses a soul. Yes it dove-tails into the abortion argument, since a fetus is a vertebrate mammal in the animal kingdom, and in some people's a opinion, more important than a dog. I don't see how pointing out the hypocrisy makes the column about me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Because an article about real issues with a reasonable point of view will spark a debate but not make him the center of attention. By taking such an extreme and ridiculous argument as his Vick article - or for that matter insert most of his POV's - Tom himself becomes the focal point and the argument becomes about him rather than about the issue. That's just how he likes it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asburycouple@ writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) Come with me to Rumson, Fair Haven, etc. I can't buy a drink up there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So the fact that he was running a gambling ring and financing the entire operation doesn't bother you at all? The fact that he enjoyed engaging in torture doesn't bother you (oh sorry, you're a neocon so that one probably doesn't bother you) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Imagine how their victim's families will feel if Vick gets a lifetime ban while those 2 guys didn't. Aren't you offended by that hypocrisy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: No Tommy, the columns title is about Vick. You say let him play football. End of story. Somehow, you managed to forget that fact. Yes, you did write about hypocrisy, and it's remotely possible that you raised some actual points, but you still hooked people in with the headline about letting Vick play football. End of story in my opinion. Everything else you wrote just made it more laughable and deplorable at the same time. Just like you did about Clearwater. I'm sure your Vick article won't have the effect you desired, and it'll probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: AsburyCouple I'm really at a loss as to how the Vick column could be about me, or how it could even be controversial at all, let alone the controversy being the plan. All the column points out (as animal rights advocates have pointed out for years) is that in this world, we treat animals as special or not special or protected or not protected based on our own needs of the animals, not based upon anything inherent in the animal. Like it or not, that creates a hypocrisy. When Vick kills his dogs, we are offended. Are we offended for the animal? If so, why not be offended at killing other dogs or other animals, which happends all the time? If humans thought of dogs as special, we would abhor the killing of any dog, as we would the killing of any human, but we don't. Our reactions seem to be based upon our view of the killing, not the animal's view of it. If our sympathy truly was with the animal, we would hate all killing of animals, hunting included. Yes that dove-tails into the argument of who possesses a soul. Yes it dove-tails into the abortion argument, since a fetus is a vertebrate mammal in the animal kingdom, and in some people's a opinion, more important than a dog. I don't see how pointing out the hypocrisy makes the column about me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Because an article about real issues with a reasonable point of view will spark a debate but not make him the center of attention. By taking such an extreme and ridiculous argument as his Vick article - or for that matter insert most of his POV's - Tom himself becomes the focal point and the argument becomes about him rather than about the issue. That's just how he likes it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asburycouple@ writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sorry buddy. I agree about the hypocrisy, but...the bigger story is how many laws Vick broke. Not only that, but dig a little deeper into the culture of dog fighting. It's not just about the dogs, it's about the gangs, the drugs, the guns and the violence that's part of that world. If he gets to play, or ever make any money because of football, i'll be disgusted. I don't follow football or sports in general. If the NFL lets murders and people like Vick slide, that's sad indeed. And the truth is, you could've told the same story with a different headline, maybe something about Leona Helmsley and the 12 million dollar dog, and probably had people get the message you are trying to send. But, by suggesting that Vick be allowed to play, and your opinion concerning dogs compared to other animals and people, I could care less what your message is. I find you to be increasingly offensive. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AP Press ran a column today that raised the same issue about how we treat humans and animals in association with the Vick controversey. Yes, I say let him play football, since the rule in the NFL is that there is no lifetime ban for killing people (see Little and Lewis). Imagine how their victim's families will feel if Vick gets a lifetime ban while those 2 guys didn't. Aren't you offended by that hypocrisy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: No Tommy, the columns title is about Vick. You say let him play football. End of story. Somehow, you managed to forget that fact. Yes, you did write about hypocrisy, and it's remotely possible that you raised some actual points, but you still hooked people in with the headline about letting Vick play football. End of story in my opinion. Everything else you wrote just made it more laughable and deplorable at the same time. Just like you did about Clearwater. I'm sure your Vick article won't have the effect you desired, and it'll probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: AsburyCouple I'm really at a loss as to how the Vick column could be about me, or how it could even be controversial at all, let alone the controversy being the plan. All the column points out (as animal rights advocates have pointed out for years) is that in this world, we treat animals as special or not special or protected or not protected based on our own needs of the animals, not based upon anything inherent in the animal. Like it or not, that creates a hypocrisy. When Vick kills his dogs, we are offended. Are we offended for the animal? If so, why not be offended at killing other dogs or other animals, which happends all the time? If humans thought of dogs as special, we would abhor the killing of any dog, as we would the killing of any human, but we don't. Our reactions seem to be based upon our view of the killing, not the animal's view of it. If our sympathy truly was with the animal, we would hate all killing of animals, hunting included. Yes that dove-tails into the argument of who possesses a soul. Yes it dove-tails into the abortion argument, since a fetus is a vertebrate mammal in the animal kingdom, and in some people's a opinion, more important than a dog. I don't see how pointing out the hypocrisy makes the column about me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Because an article about real issues with a reasonable point of view will spark a debate but not make him the center of attention. By taking such an extreme and ridiculous argument as his Vick article - or for that matter insert most of his POV's - Tom himself becomes the focal point and the argument becomes about him rather than about the issue. That's just how he likes it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:54:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, asburycouple@ writes: Honestly I don't even thing Tommy believes half of what he writes here or in the TCN. I think he just gets off on saying things he knows will piss people off. But why not put that column to more responsible use, especially for AP. Weeks ago, he was so hot to join the surveillance system bandwagon. ** Get a sneak peek of the all- new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings:
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AsburyCouple, did you RTFA? I said quite clearly I love dogs and abhor dog fighting. If you above me are the animal lover, where is your outrage at the rest of the world's animal killing? That's what I'm pointing out in the column, that hypocrisy. Apparantly the column isn't about me; it seems to be about you. Below I print the column in the Press today. The writer makes many of the same points about the hypocricy I did. How about you Jack and Mario call her and tell her how terrible she is like you've tried to do to me today? By the way, she referes to my view as a far left wing view, proving once again that you Jack and Mario have a limited world view (you call me neocon after reading the same view): Vick case stirs debate over value of dogs versus people Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/2/07 BY SUSAN RUSSELL For five seconds, the horrors of the Michael Vick dogfighting scandal seemed crystal clear. Americans know an atrocity when they see one. Then the competition began. It's people versus animals, went the refrain. Compassion must be rationed. It's either/or. Hot air from conservatives? Not really. More like a cold wind from the left. Kindness is a vanishing American virtue at least for the chattering classes. It seems the more interest groups there are, the less genuine kindness there is. Perhaps acute specialization breeds selfishness only we matter! hardening the heart to everyone and everything else. And so it was that a cadre of liberal talking heads and columnists belittled widespread outrage over dogfighting. Each touted his or her own cause and species as more deserving of the outrage. A few appeared more outraged by public compassion for dogs than by dogfighting itself. Mere dogs, they sniffed. What about people? Sandy Kobrin is a regular contributor to Women's eNews, and, presumably, a feminist. Deeply offended, Kobrin wrote: Beat a woman? Play on. Beat a dog? You're gone. What could possibly account for this bizarre situation? The anti-animal-abuse lobby, meanwhile, is going after Vick with all four paws. When the least powerful among us are viewed as competitors for attention, for compassion, for funds we've become very small indeed. One would think that in a nation that slaughters nearly 10 billion animals a year for food, kills another 30 million a year for amusement and destroys untold millions of unwanted dogs and cats every year, it shouldn't be too trying to give brutalized dogs their day. Shouldn't the progressive mantra of respect apply not only to chosen groups of people, but also to persecuted animals and the human beings who work to protect them? If any of the commentators so morbidly offended by the outpouring of sympathy for dogs over people didn't take a sustained stand against athletes beating women, they are hypocrites squared. Likewise, interests who are usually judgmental and quick to assign blame looked the other way. Dogs? What dogs? According to Vick's apologists, he made a vague mistake. One columnist wrote that Michael Vick was crucified even after the football player pleaded guilty. All forgot to mention the tortured dogs. Such stilted ethics are light years behind humanity's greatest thinkers and philosophers. Pythagoras, Seneca, Plutarch, Da Vinci, Voltaire, Paine, Montaigne, Twain, Tolstoy, Locke, Darwin, Hugo, Zola, Schopenhauer, Einstein and so many others were impassioned advocates for animals, as well as for humans. The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man, wrote Charles Darwin. Thomas Edison said, Nonviolence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are savages. I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights, wrote Abraham Lincoln. That is the way of a whole human being. What children, men, women and thousands of pit bulls have in common is that they are daily victims of insensate, burgeoning violence. Given the documented link between violence against animals and violence against humans, is there any clearer sign that the circle of compassion, as Albert Schweitzer called it, must include both? Humanitarians of all stripes, for all species, must make education inculcating nonviolence and kindness toward humans and animals a priority, in cities where violence against humans, dogfighting and cockfighting flourish, and in rural areas where animal fighting is entrenched. Authorities say crimes of cruelty are nearing a crisis stage. Behind a Tallahassee, Fla., home last month, police found dozens of starving, wounded pit bulls feared too far gone to be helped. Days before, deputy sheriffs uncovered a mass grave of 28 roosters, cockfighting weapons and $25,000 in cash. In New Jersey, Trenton, parts of Salem County, Paterson and other areas are on the grid. Until the Vick case, enforcement of animal fighting laws was rare. Now, cruelty enforcement
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If you want to get that personally insulting, leave it off the board. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would never willing rub elbows with you anywhere. Your opinions disturb me. I'd be a hypocrite if I became your buddy. Now, it's time for me to go walk my soul-less dog. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) Come with me to Rumson, Fair Haven, etc. I can't buy a drink up there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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And to the question you asked me - and to my point below I didn't read the whole article. I was so disgusted by the headline and premise I just chalked it up to more of the same BS from you and put it down. Had it been positioned as the article you are claiming it was I would have read it in it's entirety. But I also still asked you two questions you have never chosen to answer. First, do you feel that he should be allowed back in given that he led and financed a gambling operation? Second, did you in fact support our commander in chief Bill Clinton while our men were in harms way in Serbia, as you feel everyone should be doing now for Bush? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are missing my point. I am not disagreeing with some of the points you make. However unlike the article below you focus your headline on Vick rather than the issues below. And when called on it you pretend like you didn't do it, like all of the burried issues within the article are there and the POV on Vick is not front and center. Jack's whole point is that your desire to sensationalize things often eliminates any ability to focus on the good points you sometimes make. But you could never admit that. Because you can never admit anything beyond your own perfection. That's certainly what I've observed over time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: AsburyCouple, did you RTFA? I said quite clearly I love dogs and abhor dog fighting. If you above me are the animal lover, where is your outrage at the rest of the world's animal killing? That's what I'm pointing out in the column, that hypocrisy. Apparantly the column isn't about me; it seems to be about you. Below I print the column in the Press today. The writer makes many of the same points about the hypocricy I did. How about you Jack and Mario call her and tell her how terrible she is like you've tried to do to me today? By the way, she referes to my view as a far left wing view, proving once again that you Jack and Mario have a limited world view (you call me neocon after reading the same view): Vick case stirs debate over value of dogs versus people Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 09/2/07 BY SUSAN RUSSELL For five seconds, the horrors of the Michael Vick dogfighting scandal seemed crystal clear. Americans know an atrocity when they see one. Then the competition began. It's people versus animals, went the refrain. Compassion must be rationed. It's either/or. Hot air from conservatives? Not really. More like a cold wind from the left. Kindness is a vanishing American virtue at least for the chattering classes. It seems the more interest groups there are, the less genuine kindness there is. Perhaps acute specialization breeds selfishness only we matter! hardening the heart to everyone and everything else. And so it was that a cadre of liberal talking heads and columnists belittled widespread outrage over dogfighting. Each touted his or her own cause and species as more deserving of the outrage. A few appeared more outraged by public compassion for dogs than by dogfighting itself. Mere dogs, they sniffed. What about people? Sandy Kobrin is a regular contributor to Women's eNews, and, presumably, a feminist. Deeply offended, Kobrin wrote: Beat a woman? Play on. Beat a dog? You're gone. What could possibly account for this bizarre situation? The anti-animal-abuse lobby, meanwhile, is going after Vick with all four paws. When the least powerful among us are viewed as competitors for attention, for compassion, for funds we've become very small indeed. One would think that in a nation that slaughters nearly 10 billion animals a year for food, kills another 30 million a year for amusement and destroys untold millions of unwanted dogs and cats every year, it shouldn't be too trying to give brutalized dogs their day. Shouldn't the progressive mantra of respect apply not only to chosen groups of people, but also to persecuted animals and the human beings who work to protect them? If any of the commentators so morbidly offended by the outpouring of sympathy for dogs over people didn't take a sustained stand against athletes beating women, they are hypocrites squared. Likewise, interests who are usually judgmental and quick to assign blame looked the other way. Dogs? What dogs? According to Vick's apologists, he made a vague mistake. One columnist wrote that Michael Vick was crucified even after the football player pleaded guilty. All forgot to mention the tortured dogs. Such stilted ethics are light years behind humanity's greatest thinkers and philosophers. Pythagoras, Seneca, Plutarch, Da
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You are a hypocrite; ...proving once again that you Jack and Mario have a limited world view --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to get that personally insulting, leave it off the board. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I would never willing rub elbows with you anywhere. Your opinions disturb me. I'd be a hypocrite if I became your buddy. Now, it's time for me to go walk my soul-less dog. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: probably help to shrink your fan base (if you think you have one) Come with me to Rumson, Fair Haven, etc. I can't buy a drink up there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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