[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Up here in North Jersey they take this stuff very seriously - some towns have laws controlling lighting. The NJ Astronomical Association is very active. http://www.njaa.org/light.html From what I remember of my AP visit there are some really intrusive lights around. Should be an easy fix. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the crime goes down in AP, I say Light Up the City! I know when I park in the lots; I try and park under the brightest light. Bright lights make me feel safe when I can see who/what is lurking around. Werner you can say all evidence points to this not being true, but it is how I feel. I avoid parking on dark streets. Asbury just isn't there yet to dim the lights. And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. However, the Berkley one is crazy. When I saw that thing lit up, I walked down to the beach to see what was going on. Maybe it's another marketing ploy to get people to the beachfront? = Glad to hear you think the one on the Berkeley is crazy, certainly not a marketing ploy, just plain ignorance on their part. The feeling you get between dark and light areas is just programmed human response. We are primarily daylight creatures. But to paint it as a black/white issue is an error on your part. Dark/lighted... off/on... misses the point of appropriate lighting for the task while addressing negative effects such as energy waste, glare, ambiance, safety... etc. Brighter lighting is not safer. Just think of driving and encountering an oncoming vehicle with its high-beams on. The glare decreases your ability to see whats around you. Not very safe... Overly bright lighting creates a stark contrast between light and dark areas allowing undesired activity to occur in the darkness. Glare is the greatest detriment to uniform visual acuity and the safety issue you are concerned about. Look at any bright light source and then look away, your vision is degraded until the eyes readjust. Its very easy to address all the effects/consequences of lighting by proper design and installation. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
The only light in Asbury I would like to be dimmer is the one in front of Werner's house. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
hilarious. so which vapid bag of bones are you an anonymous shill for? I know Werner's house makes him vulnerable, but someone with issues with Werner who is not railing against the Metropolitan, Desperanza or various other visual atrocities has some serious perception problems. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, maubddny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only light in Asbury I would like to be dimmer is the one in front of Werner's house. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I appreciate your concern for the lighting issue. I know its an extremely important one. And another area where Asbury will be mediocre at best. (as with pedestrian/bike friendliness, sprinklers to water grass in a world with water wars, zero green buildings etc). The leadership is uninspired, unenlightened and despite Dan Jacobson's infatuation, completely un-progressive. (unless you are a superficial gay man consumed only with your own rights screw the rest). I am exaggerating a little, but despite its gayness, AP is standard monied manville. But within the realm of mediocre NJ, AP isn't all that bad. What bothers me more than that though (It IS only a ride)...is that a man who so deeply cares about his city and is so intelligent about these issues has been rendered powerless. Definately by a bit of injustice from the hands of little men, but not without his own participation. My first introduction to you was at a one of my first city council meetings. The whole experience was entertainment for me (they aren't entertaining anymore, like a dumb sitcom you get enough of after a couple of episodes). I think you were one of the first public commenters. I was facing the dais, watching the blank, uninterested faces of complacent power players, giggling inside at the absurdity and a man gets to the mike. I am guessing you stated your name and address like we are supposed to, but all I remember is... 'm, BCCK My love for Asbury immediatley inched up a little higher. (it was sagging in that light and with that view). You're a pain in the ass Werner, in the best possible way. Unfortunatley, when you are a pain in the ass to the power structure of little men, you have to have your shit together, more than they do, which is possible. Get your shit together Werner. We need you. Please let me know if I can help in some way. Gabrielle = Thank you for the reply, That particular Council Meeting was the first I had attended after being in jail. The Shining came to mind as in Heeere's Johnny in the axe through the door scene. The 'deer-caught-in-headlights' look displayed by our leaders is all too familiar. They never address my questions and seem to breath a sigh of relief at he 3 minute buzzer. I've been degenerated from a respected Public Official to losing everything I have worked 30 years for. Whats that line... Absolute power corrupts absolutely... Bad lighting and Light pollution are among the easiest and most cost effective problems to fix. Lets see if we can make Asbury Park better. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. === Your observations are right on the mark. I have also seen the lights at the Heating Plant, Unbelievable that it's permitted. As to the boardwalk lighting, I attempted to get that fixed a long time ago, even creating some polls here to get people into discussion about it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/surveys?id=1820345 My meetings with the City Planner and Engineer resulted in finding replicas of the appropriate lighting fixtures from the time the ConHall and CAS were constructed. They are clearly visible in vintage photos and postcards. City Council approved the highway lighting in spite of the obvious. There is renewed concern now due to the tenancy of the pavilions so perhaps the damage can be repaired. Although I hear that the tenants my be allowed to chose the fixtures...another road to disaster. The Berkeley light points west down Sunset Park toward Main Street. As to the parking lots.. they have shields installed due to my Planning Board testimony. However they are still inappropriate and temporary is considered to be 5 years. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob === I'm familiar with that one also and am glad you raised the issue. The primary problem is that there is no specific Lighting Code or Ordinance to address the issue. If City employees are not responsive or unable to address the issue one must rely on the 'nuisance ordinance' and actually file a complaint in Court. In the long term we must encourage the City to adopt a Uniform Lighting Standards Ordinance. Preferably one that is retroactive and compels the removal of non-compliant fixtures. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? == There are also areas that are over-illuminated and have redundant fixtures. The train platform come to mind. As does the Baronet/Fastlane block. In this time of the City economic deficit one would think that saving money by eliminating unnecessary fixtures would be a simple choice. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Werner, I appreciate your concern for the lighting issue. I know its an extremely important one. And another area where Asbury will be mediocre at best. (as with pedestrian/bike friendliness, sprinklers to water grass in a world with water wars, zero green buildings etc). The leadership is uninspired, unenlightened and despite Dan Jacobson's infatuation, completely un-progressive. (unless you are a superficial gay man consumed only with your own rights screw the rest). I am exaggerating a little, but despite its gayness, AP is standard monied manville. But within the realm of mediocre NJ, AP isn't all that bad. What bothers me more than that though (It IS only a ride)...is that a man who so deeply cares about his city and is so intelligent about these issues has been rendered powerless. Definately by a bit of injustice from the hands of little men, but not without his own participation. My first introduction to you was at a one of my first city council meetings. The whole experience was entertainment for me (they aren't entertaining anymore, like a dumb sitcom you get enough of after a couple of episodes). I think you were one of the first public commenters. I was facing the dais, watching the blank, uninterested faces of complacent power players, giggling inside at the absurdity and a man gets to the mike. I am guessing you stated your name and address like we are supposed to, but all I remember is... 'm, BCCK My love for Asbury immediatley inched up a little higher. (it was sagging in that light and with that view). You're a pain in the ass Werner, in the best possible way. Unfortunatley, when you are a pain in the ass to the power structure of little men, you have to have your shit together, more than they do, which is possible. Get your shit together Werner. We need you. Please let me know if I can help in some way. Gabrielle --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone wants to have a serious productive discussion on the subject, please review the following for background. http://www.darkskysociety.org/ http://www.darksky.org/ http://www.starrynightlights.com/lpIndex.html http://www.iesna.org/ Asbury Park can be better. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
I agree, this is something that is a lot easier to not let happen in the first place, than to change after the fact. My least favorates are the big industrial floodlights on the OG side of the Casino, where they clash with the boardwalk lights and the parking lot style lights along the AP boardwalk, can't something a little less tall and bright be put up along there, and not the new style lights that have been installed along the streets, something more in keeping with the early 20th century era of the CH and Casino. Have not noticed the Berk light, but I'm over in OG, so maybe it's not pointed our way!! I'm not so worried about the lights in the parking lots, I'm hoping they are just temporary. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
If anyone wants to have a serious productive discussion on the subject, please review the following for background. http://www.darkskysociety.org/ http://www.darksky.org/ http://www.starrynightlights.com/lpIndex.html http://www.iesna.org/ Asbury Park can be better. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Until the crime goes down in AP, I say Light Up the City! I know when I park in the lots; I try and park under the brightest light. Bright lights make me feel safe when I can see who/what is lurking around. Werner you can say all evidence points to this not being true, but it is how I feel. I avoid parking on dark streets. Asbury just isn't there yet to dim the lights. And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. However, the Berkley one is crazy. When I saw that thing lit up, I walked down to the beach to see what was going on. Maybe it's another marketing ploy to get people to the beachfront? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 rzick1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:52:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. Ah! Great comic relief. Thank you, Mark :-) **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how about those beachfront lights?
Mark, I think (and I don't know for sure) that the idea is to get lighting that is for safety AND all the good things Werner knows about. Like someone else mentioned it is probably past that point, but there are places and people all over the place doing creative and visionary things. Werner know about them. Do you really feel that unsafe here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until the crime goes down in AP, I say Light Up the City! I know when I park in the lots; I try and park under the brightest light. Bright lights make me feel safe when I can see who/what is lurking around. Werner you can say all evidence points to this not being true, but it is how I feel. I avoid parking on dark streets. Asbury just isn't there yet to dim the lights. And trust me I like dim lights; I tried getting a dimmer for my fridge once. However, the Berkley one is crazy. When I saw that thing lit up, I walked down to the beach to see what was going on. Maybe it's another marketing ploy to get people to the beachfront? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: How about the absurd amount of electricity the city is using while lighting areas that aren't in use? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rzick1 rzick1@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: Mr. Right makes the query of lighting. Clearly a word play in an attempt to belittle a serious topic that effects Asbury Park. I have refrained from discussions since they appear to be fruitless the past several weeks, however, I will take this bait and trolling tactic. Most recently the Berkeley Hotel installed a flood light on top of its SE wing which is the latest example of excess. This particular fixture glares all the way to Grand Avenue and beyond. It is visible from Main Street which is approximately a half mile away. This latest affront to proper design adds to the already established industrial ambiance apparently so desired by our conscientious developers. Glare, energy waste, dark-sky degradation, over lighting, aesthetics... all legitimate concerns that receive no attention and spiral out of control. I've about given up hope that the obvious negative impacts will ever be acknowledged. Asbury Park would be a better place if attention to all aspects of design and development were considered. Instead contentment is found in making 'light' of the subject and berating the messenger. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerAPNJ/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/41066 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/40668 Werner, I couldn't agree with you more about the light pollution from the Berkeley. I live on the block North of the Berkeley on Sixth Avenue (North Beach). A few months ago, they installed industrial lighting on the North side of the hotel which shines directly into my bedroom windows. I've contacted and spoke with Bill Gray and Angel Milette in code enforcement and Barbara Van Wagner in Planning/Zoning for the City. The light continues to shine in my windows. Any thoughts on how I can get the lights turned off? Many thanks, Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
