[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[2fine4u]

Mario,
I'm willing, because I have the time, to meet on a given day, place
and time, to clean up, one block, one street at a time, like an
improvement group, to make someone else's surroundings pleasing and
sanitary.  The dollar store on Main and Sewall, sells mops, brooms,
buckets, etc., all for a dollar!  My galley kitchen and bath, are the
only 2 tiled areas, here.  I even have a fake grass lawn, on the
terrace!  Don't laugh!  Every summer I create a garden in the large
containers I own, creating an oasis in the air!  I had huge
strawberries, tomatoes and chiles, along with wild flowers, ferns and
summer plants growing like mad, over here!

I am willing also to plant hardy mums and other seasonal plants,
around time, with my 2 good hands and discretionary income, to create
the town called perfect, because it's where we should all live!  The
little breakfast places around town, have the nicest people in the
world, operating them, like Chat  Nibble and America's Cup!  It takes
five minutes to scramble eggs and toast a bun, but it always tastes
better, when someone else does it!  At Sunset Landing, you get those
crazy ducks!  At Franks, you get the important people and the
ordinaries, like me!

I dream a world, but since it's just a dream, I try to live it, so
Jack, whenever you're ready, I'll come with broom and rubber gloves to
clean up!  When it's time to plant, I'll provide some flowers!  I
don't mind a little sweat and I still have 2 good hands.  I don't
consider myself a do-gooder!  I hate 'em!  I like to just pitch in,
where needed.  I still own a couple of aprons, but never considered
myself, domestic!  When my kids were hungry, I cooked, when they were
dirty, I cleaned them in places they didn't know they had!  Well,
they're gone now and things still need to be done, so just buzz me and
tell me where I'm needed!  I'm good-hearted, but not a goody, 2
shoes!  Just sign me, a dreamer!

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 In a message dated 10/24/2007 8:07:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Simple  stuff! Me,
 with my far left leanings, move to the right many times, if I  feel
 like my personal lifestyle is threatened! I experience many, Oh  God
 moments! People who are down and out, are usually cynical and  don't
 think of helping someone else, until their needs are met and  they're
 usually desperate. I'm at a loss for words, as to how you get them  to
 pick up trash, that someone else is responsible for. As usual,  I'm
 not responsible for any statements, other than my  own.
  
 As usual, your forthrightness gives one pause.
  
 An your loss of words sounds eloquent to me.
  
 Chronic problems endured by this city and many others across the 
nation.  
 And no easy solutions apparently.
  
  
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[2fine4u]

I've always given mine to the Salvation Army.  Twice a year, I clean
the closets out and good, clean, wearable garments, are accepted.  You
can also take a tax deduction.  On the 1st Avenue side, is where you
can take the clothing, shoes, appliances, knick knacks, aka dust
catchers and Cha-chis, books, furniture, even canned goods, you
don't want.

Turned off by the food giveaway at St. Peter's Thrift Store, now,
defunct, I began carting my stuff, over there, on Main St.  Many
staffers are volunteers and are very cordial and friendly.  My
organization, hosts, table sales, chinese auctions, etc., and I tend
to buy the new things, like candles and gift sets.  Many stores that
have items they couldn't sell, wind up over there!  Still in their
packaging, brand new!

I usually have 2 shopping bags, of new items, to generate sales. 
The money from sales,  goes toward the general fund, that pays for
postage, copy paper, etc.  My organization, like the Salvation Army,
is non-profit, all volunteer and lobbies for veterans issues.  I
collect white porcelain and have found really unusual pieces, over
there, CHEAP!

If you want to get rid of your stuff, take it to the Salvation Army. 
The clothing goes to families in distress, from fires, floods and
other natural disasters.  I had never been in the building on Asbury
Avenue, until the fire, last month.  I needed to get indoors, from the
heat and found refuge there.  I will never forget them, for the soft
chair and the cold water.  I wish everyone in this group, could send
them a dollar!  They really provided a safe place to congregate and
rest, after standing outdoors, for hours.

I think of the commercial played during Christmas, with their bell and
donation holder.  I'm so glad I never passed the pot by, without
dropping something in.  My daughter, who is 36, does the same, because
I would always give her a dollar, to drop into the pot, when she was
but a toddler.  See, you have me all worked up, now!  I love those people!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 In a message dated 10/23/2007 4:59:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I stopped in  to donate some clothing and walked in on the giveaway.
 Most churches in  the area, have something, going on, which is funded
 by the government and  distributed by the churches. Sisters of Mercy,
 were doing the same thing on  Main St. and Bradley Beach, has a
 location, also.
 
 
 Sharon,
  
 I've narrowed down my choices for local  organizations that can best
use my 
 too much stuff.
  
 1. Habitat's ReStore for just about anything  except clothing.
  
 2. SPCA for bed linens,  towels, etc.
  
 But,
 What is your top recommendation for donating new  and good used
clothing?
  
  
 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[firemer]

Sharon, even though I don't know you, you seem like a truly beautiful and 
compassionate person.? But, maybe we need to ask the people who we are donating 
clothing and food to, to reciprocate and show some gratitude to by volunteering 
to help clean up the city, or volunteer to keep?a watch that the city is safe 
for all.??I am sure that if asked for their help, they?would be?willing to do 
their part in return.? After receiving food and clothing from the church, 
salvation army or other supportive organizations, they should report back to 
their distributor as to how they have done their part in return to make the 
city a better and safer place to live.? This would also serve to increase their 
own value of self worth and pride that they are doing something in return for 
everyone's generosity toward them.
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To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 5:53 am
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re:Library Park






I've always given mine to the Salvation Army. Twice a year, I clean
the closets out and good, clean, wearable garments, are accepted. You
can also take a tax deduction. On the 1st Avenue side, is where you
can take the clothing, shoes, appliances, knick knacks, aka dust
catchers and Cha-chis, books, furniture, even canned goods, you
don't want.

Turned off by the food giveaway at St. Peter's Thrift Store, now,
defunct, I began carting my stuff, over there, on Main St. Many
staffers are volunteers and are very cordial and friendly. My
organization, hosts, table sales, chinese auctions, etc., and I tend
to buy the new things, like candles and gift sets. Many stores that
have items they couldn't sell, wind up over there! Still in their
packaging, brand new!

I usually have 2 shopping bags, of new items, to generate sales. 
The money from sales, goes toward the general fund, that pays for
postage, copy paper, etc. My organization, like the Salvation Army,
is non-profit, all volunteer and lobbies for veterans issues. I
collect white porcelain and have found really unusual pieces, over
there, CHEAP!

If you want to get rid of your stuff, take it to the Salvation Army. 
The clothing goes to families in distress, from fires, floods and
other natural disasters. I had never been in the building on Asbury
Avenue, until the fire, last month. I needed to get indoors, from the
heat and found refuge there. I will never forget them, for the soft
chair and the cold water. I wish everyone in this group, could send
them a dollar! They really provided a safe place to congregate and
rest, after standing outdoors, for hours.

I think of the commercial played during Christmas, with their bell and
donation holder. I'm so glad I never passed the pot by, without
dropping something in. My daughter, who is 36, does the same, because
I would always give her a dollar, to drop into the pot, when she was
but a toddler. See, you have me all worked up, now! I love those people!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 In a message dated 10/23/2007 4:59:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I stopped in to donate some clothing and walked in on the giveaway.
 Most churches in the area, have something, going on, which is funded
 by the government and distributed by the churches. Sisters of Mercy,
 were doing the same thing on Main St. and Bradley Beach, has a
 location, also.
 
 
 Sharon,
 
 I've narrowed down my choices for local organizations that can best
use my 
 too much stuff.
 
 1. Habitat's ReStore for just about anything except clothing.
 
 2. SPCA for bed linens, towels, etc.
 
 But,
 What is your top recommendation for donating new and good used
clothing?
 
 
 



 


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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sharon, even though I don't know you, you seem like a truly
beautiful and compassionate person.? But, maybe we need to ask the
people who we are donating clothing and food to, to reciprocate and
show some gratitude to by volunteering to help clean up the city, or
volunteer to keep?a watch that the city is safe for all.??I am sure
that if asked for their help, they?would be?willing to do their part
in return.? After receiving food and clothing from the church,
salvation army or other supportive organizations, they should report
back to their distributor as to how they have done their part in
return to make the city a better and safer place to live.? This would
also serve to increase their own value of self worth and pride that
they are doing something in return for everyone's generosity toward them.

I assume few would be willing to do that on their own. What would be
better is for the city to put charitable services in charge of
particular assignments. For instance, Trinity, the daily clean up of
Library Square. Trinity forms supervisory teams that assemble groups
to do the cleanups in shifts. Completion of such work gets you a
script for Trinity's food, etc.

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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[Jack Pitzer]

That's a great idea Dan. 
I have a meeting scheduled with David from Trinity on Tuesday night at 6:30 pm.
I'll take all of our suggestions with me.
Jack


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, firemer@ wrote:
 
  Sharon, even though I don't know you, you seem like a truly
 beautiful and compassionate person.? But, maybe we need to ask the
 people who we are donating clothing and food to, to reciprocate and
 show some gratitude to by volunteering to help clean up the city, or
 volunteer to keep?a watch that the city is safe for all.??I am sure
 that if asked for their help, they?would be?willing to do their part
 in return.? After receiving food and clothing from the church,
 salvation army or other supportive organizations, they should report
 back to their distributor as to how they have done their part in
 return to make the city a better and safer place to live.? This would
 also serve to increase their own value of self worth and pride that
 they are doing something in return for everyone's generosity toward them.
 
 I assume few would be willing to do that on their own. What would be
 better is for the city to put charitable services in charge of
 particular assignments. For instance, Trinity, the daily clean up of
 Library Square. Trinity forms supervisory teams that assemble groups
 to do the cleanups in shifts. Completion of such work gets you a
 script for Trinity's food, etc.
 
 Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[oakdorf]

 Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish.


Spend 40 hours 80 miles out on a 36' boat fishing.

You can keep the $1000 reel and rod and I'll take the fish.

Give that fishing pole here and that person would be selling it on the 
corner for $5.00.

Plenty of poles have been given out in AP. Time to take the time and 
teach them how to use it.

Not going to catch fish in Jack's fountain-  you have to point them to 
the ocean.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[Jack Pitzer]

I get the feeling I'm not the only one fed up with the way people treat our 
city.

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  Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish.
 
 
 Spend 40 hours 80 miles out on a 36' boat fishing.
 
 You can keep the $1000 reel and rod and I'll take the fish.
 
 Give that fishing pole here and that person would be selling it on the 
 corner for $5.00.
 
 Plenty of poles have been given out in AP. Time to take the time and 
 teach them how to use it.
 
 Not going to catch fish in Jack's fountain-  you have to point them to 
 the ocean.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[dfsavgny]

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 Give that fishing pole here and that person would be selling it on the 
 corner for $5.00.
 
 Plenty of poles have been given out in AP. Time to take the time and 
 teach them how to use it.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[MarioAPNJ]

In a message dated 10/24/2007 8:07:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Simple  stuff! Me,
with my far left leanings, move to the right many times, if I  feel
like my personal lifestyle is threatened! I experience many, Oh  God
moments! People who are down and out, are usually cynical and  don't
think of helping someone else, until their needs are met and  they're
usually desperate. I'm at a loss for words, as to how you get them  to
pick up trash, that someone else is responsible for. As usual,  I'm
not responsible for any statements, other than my  own.
 
As usual, your forthrightness gives one pause.
 
An your loss of words sounds eloquent to me.
 
Chronic problems endured by this city and many others across the  nation.  
And no easy solutions apparently.
 
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[2fine4u]

Just another observation.  If you don't live on the West Side, you'd
never know, but St. Augustine's Episcopal Church, has a fedding
program, ONCE a month!  The last Sunday, I believe.  My girl friend is
a parishioner and helps with the preparation and the serving.  On
Fridays, if you care, people form a line and receive free food,
around 9:00 AM, until ???  The first time I saw this a coule of years
ago, I didn't know what was going on, until I asked someone whose
business, I patronize, on the avenue, as we call it.  St. Peter
Claver, had a similar program, when they had the thrift store.  

I stopped in to donate some clothing and walked in on the giveaway.
Most churches in the area, have something, going on, which is funded
by the government and distributed by the churches.  Sisters of Mercy,
were doing the same thing on Main St. and Bradley Beach, has a
location, also.  The only location, I see, having a potential problem,
is Trinity, where they seem to congregate outside and I didn't know
that this is what they were doing. ( I had observed people
congregating,) as I drive past on Emory and Asbury Aves.

The church on Grand Ave., gives flu shots and food!  Had a part-time
job there, a few years back and found out by chance.  I had no idea,
that practically ALL of the churches in this area, has this
giveaway.  Also found out that the poor go from location to
location, collecting, these freebies.  Being naive as hell and not
in the system, an onlooker, like me, had no clue!  Just cruise past
2nd Baptist, on Atkins and Springwood, on a Friday and you'll see.  I
am a Senior and have no idea, what's available for seniors, as far as
recreation, etc.  Seems you have to be 80 and above, to join in. 
Neptune seniors, have everything, while Asbury's Seniors, have nothing!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote:
  Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the
successful 
  mission victory?
  Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in 
  another homeless mission would
  be adverse to Asbury Park?
  
  Maybe, instead of  trying to cut down the Trinity Churches
charity, we 
  step up patrols in the area and not allow
  misbehavior.
 
 
 I think that's what Paul's post suggests. Responsibility is a two-way
 street. You just can't operate something and expect local enforcement
 to clean up the mess. For instance, if I recall correctly, trinity was
 not allowing its patrons to use its restroom facilities. Well what
 alternative did the have? Library Square. That may have been remedied.
 
 Then there is security. let trinity provide it. I could go on but
 won't. I don;t see Paul's post contradicting the position of SUFA.
 That would ven be if it were decided that soup kitchens should be
 congregated in particular areas.
 
 Do onto to others as you would have them do unto you. I was taught to
 act in other's homes as I would want them to act in mine. Treat their
 property as I would want them to treat mine.
 
 I doubt very few indeed would allow or want what goes on by some
 around trinity by their own houses or in their houses. Don't to it to
 mine then either.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park/Senior Center/Library

[rook782]

I always thought a great idea would be to put the senior center next 
to the Library.  The property to the right if you are going up the 
steps.  I'm sure the city could get it for a good price or through 
eminent domain.  

What I would do is expand the library and connect via an enclosed 
passageway to the senior center.  That way the two building could 
cross pollinate uses.   

The senior could go to the library, volunteer, check out books, baby 
sit, use computers, etc. and the library could hold seminars at the 
senior center in the evenings.  A win win for all.  The other nice 
thing is that the seniors could use Jacks park and keep an eye on the 
things.

This location is within walking distance to Cookman avenue and the 
Boardwalk.  Let's keep the seniors involved in Asbury Park.  It's the 
right thing to do.

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  I am a Senior and have no idea, what's available for seniors, as far 
as recreation, etc.  Seems you have to be 80 and above, to join in. 
Neptune seniors, have everything, while Asbury's Seniors, have nothing!
 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

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In a message dated 10/23/2007 4:59:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  only location, I see, having a potential problem,
is Trinity, where they  seem to congregate outside and I didn't know
that this is what they were  doing. ( I had observed people
congregating,congregating,WBR) as I drive past on Emory  



Where is Trinity's rectory?   
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[MarioAPNJ]

 
 
In a message dated 10/23/2007 4:59:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I stopped in  to donate some clothing and walked in on the giveaway.
Most churches in  the area, have something, going on, which is funded
by the government and  distributed by the churches. Sisters of Mercy,
were doing the same thing on  Main St. and Bradley Beach, has a
location, also.


Sharon,
 
I've narrowed down my choices for local  organizations that can best use my 
too much stuff.
 
1. Habitat's ReStore for just about anything  except clothing.
 
2. SPCA for bed linens,  towels, etc.
 
But,
What is your top recommendation for donating new  and good used clothing?
 
 

Not that I need to be reminded of stuff  accumulation, but George Carlin does 
a great job in his 2005 update on our  consumer culture.
 
George Carlin: Life Is Worth Losing, HBO, Sat, Oct 27, 8:00 PM, also, On 
Demand.  
 
Carlin’s observations include Americans’ obsession with their  two favorite 
addictions - shopping and eating; his creative idea for The  All-Suicide 
Channel, a new reality TV network.
Not for everyone -- Life is Worth Losing also includes: A Modern Man, Three 
Little Words, Extreme Human  Behavior, Dumb Americans, Pyramid of the, 
Hopeless, Autoerotic Asphyxia,  Posthumous Female Transplants, Yeast Infection, 
Excess: Fires and Floods,  Coast-to-Coast Emergency.




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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful 
 mission victory?
 Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in 
 another homeless mission would
 be adverse to Asbury Park?
 
 Maybe, instead of  trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we 
 step up patrols in the area and not allow
 misbehavior.


I think that's what Paul's post suggests. Responsibility is a two-way
street. You just can't operate something and expect local enforcement
to clean up the mess. For instance, if I recall correctly, trinity was
not allowing its patrons to use its restroom facilities. Well what
alternative did the have? Library Square. That may have been remedied.

Then there is security. let trinity provide it. I could go on but
won't. I don;t see Paul's post contradicting the position of SUFA.
That would ven be if it were decided that soup kitchens should be
congregated in particular areas.

Do onto to others as you would have them do unto you. I was taught to
act in other's homes as I would want them to act in mine. Treat their
property as I would want them to treat mine.

I doubt very few indeed would allow or want what goes on by some
around trinity by their own houses or in their houses. Don't to it to
mine then either.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[Jack Pitzer]

Park update.
Today, the park has been immaculately cleaned by the city.
The fountain looks as good as it's gonna get.
All the drug bags are gone, cigarette butts are gone, and litter is gone.
This is a good starting point, and since things are so clean it will be easy to 
see the effects 
of what goes on in the evening, until the lighting is restored and improved.
In addition, here's the email address for a contact at Trinity Church;

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

This email address is for David Stout, rector of the church. Please email him 
with your 
interest in keeping the park clean.

Jack

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote:
  Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful 
  mission victory?
  Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in 
  another homeless mission would
  be adverse to Asbury Park?
  
  Maybe, instead of  trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we 
  step up patrols in the area and not allow
  misbehavior.
 
 
 I think that's what Paul's post suggests. Responsibility is a two-way
 street. You just can't operate something and expect local enforcement
 to clean up the mess. For instance, if I recall correctly, trinity was
 not allowing its patrons to use its restroom facilities. Well what
 alternative did the have? Library Square. That may have been remedied.
 
 Then there is security. let trinity provide it. I could go on but
 won't. I don;t see Paul's post contradicting the position of SUFA.
 That would ven be if it were decided that soup kitchens should be
 congregated in particular areas.
 
 Do onto to others as you would have them do unto you. I was taught to
 act in other's homes as I would want them to act in mine. Treat their
 property as I would want them to treat mine.
 
 I doubt very few indeed would allow or want what goes on by some
 around trinity by their own houses or in their houses. Don't to it to
 mine then either.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[Jack Pitzer]

I'd love to see the area patrolled more. I don't think it's being patroled at 
all so far.
Also, I'd like to see our PD start to pay attention to the many litterers that 
are trashing our 
city. Just this morning, there were 2 discarded 40 oz. beer bottles on my 
sidewalk. I'm 
really getting sick of that.
Tickets need to be given out, and fines need to be imposed.
I call out every single litterer I encounter. Usually, they tell me to go F 
myself. Now I 
remind them that it's a crime and I'll call the police.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Trinity Church does a good job of helping the needy, and Paul Vail 
 goes on to say
  Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small
 percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public  private
 property. In my view, the church has a responsibility not to allow its
 guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church
 should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance
 abuse programs they really need.
 
 Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful 
 mission victory?
 Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in 
 another homeless mission would
 be adverse to Asbury Park?
 
 Maybe, instead of  trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we 
 step up patrols in the area and not allow
 misbehavior.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re:Library Park

[Jack Pitzer]

Finally update for tonight, then it's time for some couch potatoing.
I noticed that the light pole near the fountain is now intermittently working. 
It goes on a 
bit, then off for awhile, and when it is on, it casts a pretty weak moonlight 
kind of glow on 
the fountain area. It's something, but it's still not enough because even at 
full blast you 
can't see much of the central park area. Only one of the original lights along 
the pathways 
is out. 
Anyhow, thanks for the support today. 
We will fix this situation and make the park better for all of us.
Jack

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd love to see the area patrolled more. I don't think it's being patroled at 
 all so far.
 Also, I'd like to see our PD start to pay attention to the many litterers 
 that are trashing 
our 
 city. Just this morning, there were 2 discarded 40 oz. beer bottles on my 
 sidewalk. I'm 
 really getting sick of that.
 Tickets need to be given out, and fines need to be imposed.
 I call out every single litterer I encounter. Usually, they tell me to go F 
 myself. Now I 
 remind them that it's a crime and I'll call the police.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube traderdube@ wrote:
 
  The Trinity Church does a good job of helping the needy, and Paul Vail 
  goes on to say
   Residents should lobby the church to change it's policy. A small
  percentage of Trinity's guests have no respect for public  private
  property. In my view, the church has a responsibility not to allow its
  guests to ruin the quality of life in our neighborhood. The church
  should identify who these people are and direct them to the substance
  abuse programs they really need.
  
  Isn't this a contradiction of one of the key points to the successful 
  mission victory?
  Didn't we claim that Asbury does enough already and that bringing in 
  another homeless mission would
  be adverse to Asbury Park?
  
  Maybe, instead of  trying to cut down the Trinity Churches charity, we 
  step up patrols in the area and not allow
  misbehavior.
 





 
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