Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Jack's and Oak's comments have been most reasonable. And regarding those anti-gov people, keep in mind that, during this state of emergency for a storm that forecast well in advance, guv chris christie and Lieutenant Governor Kim Guadagno are MIA. The guv who has made a name for himself by scapegoating government employees is at Disney World. The lieutenant governor who is supposed to be in charge when he is absent is in Mexico. In a message dated 12/28/2010 10:59:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hing...@yahoo.com writes: It's amazing to me that so many people these days are anti-government, but when it doesn't work for them personally, it's the first thing they blame for their troubles. If you aren't happy, run for city office and try and make a difference. I think about it all the time. Maybe it's an eye opening experience about the reality of our city. Maybe not. But honestly, the amount of bitching about this snowstorm is ridiculous. It will be past history in a few days. Not life changing for a vast majority of us. If anything, it should be life changing in the way that it should teach each and every one of us to be prepared. If you have plenty of food and water, then unless it's life or death you should stay home, not drive, and let the streets be cleaned ASAP. But no, people don't prepare, they try and drive, get stuck, and block progress. Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? Sometimes, people just need to be patient and stay home. Yes, your job might not be happy with that, but realistically speaking, what's more important, your job, your safety, or being part of a bigger picture where people think about we instead of me? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
That makes me feel better I'm working from home, although I did attempt to go in, car got stuck 30ft from my driveway, an hour of digging and 30mins of maneuvering and its somewhat back in my driveway Police were polite when I called to find out the ramifications of leaving the car there (it didn't look promising at first) they also pinned blame on the state and county for not having their roads cleared Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:01:05 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet 35 is partially open, 18 closed, parkway single lane parts... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: I'm taking your question as facetious. Waiting until there is several feet accumulated is ridiculous. The proper process is to start sanding/salting when snowfall starts. Followed by clearing during the storm so that accumulations on streets do not occur leading to the stuck vehicles you mention. Dealing with a heavy snowfall is s much art as it is science and requires experienced leadership to be effective. Waiting until a storm is over and then trying to address it is clearly irresponsible. Certainly there can be extenuating circumstances (available resources, equipment/manpower), but the basic process is well known. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Did any of you ever try to plow 3-4 feet of snow - with cars stuck in the road? Front end loaders are one of the only ones to start making a path. In ot, we just got plowed out 7 am Tues . The county hasnt been able to clear all of norwood ave. With layoffs and v-days and limited equipment along with record blowing snowfall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
hinge, I think we can all vagree its stupid for people to get out in thier cars for non-emergencies. I think there are probably few people who are out driving to get milk for thier coffee. It sounds like you are saying both you and the city blames abandoned cars for a lack of plowing... but these few abandoned cars are NOT an excuese for only having one front end loader to try and move snow AFTER the fact for the entire city. If there was a plan in place - a plan for snow removal that we the people pay taxes for - they could have lessened the impact by plowing as it was snowing, salting the roads, etc. This is not an emergency yet. i am happy and have food at home and water and electricity. I am however angry as hell that the city PD blows me off and says it doesnt know when the streets will be plowed, the DPW doesnt answer the phone and answering machine is full, and that there are no police out there for public safety , or tow trucks to take care of abandoned cars or PD to ticket the absentee landlords and lazy homeowners who have not yet plowed thier sidewalks!! Im fed up and im going out to shovel the damn street myself On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Hinge hing...@yahoo.com wrote: I think we live in a hypocritical culture. Some people are all for smaller government but when it happens, and people feel the loss, they complain that somethings wrong. I find this to be ridiculous. The same people preach about personal responsibility... Ok, so we were getting report after report about a weather issue...did the paramedic, air traffic controller or heart surgeon make plans for a disaster? Probably not. Instead, when the disaster hit, it's easier to bitch about it than take the so called personal responsibilty and be prepared. We ALL heard the warnings. Yet how many of us got our cars stuck after the fact while trying to get things we should have had in the first place? What's more important? Having milk for coffee after forgetting to get some, or risking getting your car stuck and screwing with snow clean up progress? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Doug M dougandcathy_mcqu...@... wrote: So what you're saying is, if someone has a job as a paramedic, heart surgeon or air traffic controller, they should just stay home until city, county and state governments mount an adequate response to the snow? While I agree with your point about taking action instead of complaining, this is one case where the government response to an important need was inadequate. For example, Route 35 in Ocean Township looked like a war zone, even at 11 pm on Tuesday. At the same time, the parking lots of the Monmouth Mall, Wegman's, and even Red Lobster were all infinitely better than the state highway. Why are these private enterprises so much more capable of clearing the snow? ...and I'm a fairly liberal Democrat, but I can admit when the public sector F's up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: It's amazing to me that so many people these days are anti-government, but when it doesn't work for them personally, it's the first thing they blame for their troubles. If you aren't happy, run for city office and try and make a difference. I think about it all the time. Maybe it's an eye opening experience about the reality of our city. Maybe not. But honestly, the amount of bitching about this snowstorm is ridiculous. It will be past history in a few days. Not life changing for a vast majority of us. If anything, it should be life changing in the way that it should teach each and every one of us to be prepared. If you have plenty of food and water, then unless it's life or death you should stay home, not drive, and let the streets be cleaned ASAP. But no, people don't prepare, they try and drive, get stuck, and block progress. Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? Sometimes, people just need to be patient and stay home. Yes, your job might not be happy with that, but realistically speaking, what's more important, your job, your safety, or being part of a bigger picture where people think about we instead of me? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
On Monday I saw a state plow stuck on Asbury Ave as it was plowing the street. From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:11:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? The state because they NEVER showed up to plow it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Neptune's 4x4 vehicle ems vehicle carrying a critical patient got stuck on my street we did everything possible to try and get the vehicle dug out to no avail neighborhood ended up getting blankets so the patient could be placed on a sled like gurney and pulled three blocks short of 35 to an oem vehicle. ems left the vehicle returned to have the vehicled pulled out by a private contractor with a front loader who worked for neither Neptune or AP nothing else has come through ridge ave. Last year when city personnel started salting/sanding and plowing when the snow started we weathered the storm-I am fortunate enough to take time off using personal/vacation days some people are not as fortunate and when they miss a day they miss pay or could possibly be fired as was the threat to my neighbor so asking people to wait four days or more after a storm to be patient the street will soon be plowed??? First two days we rec'd reverse 911 calls nothing since so this should be exceptable I think not-The State County,AP,Neptune and surrounding towns slept on this storm,my mom's and sisters street not plow yet in Netpune,!!!-gotta go finally hear a plow on my street From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:11:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? The state because they NEVER showed up to plow it. t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Wi From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:10:46 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Neptune's 4x4 vehicle ems vehicle carrying a critical patient got stuck on my street we did everything possible to try and get the vehicle dug out to no avail neighborhood ended up getting blankets so the patient could be placed on a sled like gurney and pulled three blocks short of 35 to an oem vehicle. ems left the vehicle returned to have the vehicled pulled out by a private contractor with a front loader who worked for neither Neptune or AP nothing else has come through ridge ave. Last year when city personnel started salting/sanding and plowing when the snow started we weathered the storm-I am fortunate enough to take time off using personal/vacation days some people are not as fortunate and when they miss a day they miss pay or could possibly be fired as was the threat to my neighbor so asking people to wait four days or more after a storm to be patient the street will soon be plowed??? First two days we rec'd reverse 911 calls nothing since so this should be exceptable I think not-The State County,AP,Neptune and surrounding towns slept on this storm,my mom's and sisters street not plow yet in Netpune,!!!-gotta go finally hear a plow on my street From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:11:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? The state because they NEVER showed up to plow it. t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (46) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .Wishful thnking it was Neptune traveling through not AP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:18:00 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Wi From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:10:46 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Neptune's 4x4 vehicle ems vehicle carrying a critical patient got stuck on my street we did everything possible to try and get the vehicle dug out to no avail neighborhood ended up getting blankets so the patient could be placed on a sled like gurney and pulled three blocks short of 35 to an oem vehicle. ems left the vehicle returned to have the vehicled pulled out by a private contractor with a front loader who worked for neither Neptune or AP nothing else has come through ridge ave. Last year when city personnel started salting/sanding and plowing when the snow started we weathered the storm-I am fortunate enough to take time off using personal/vacation days some people are not as fortunate and when they miss a day they miss pay or could possibly be fired as was the threat to my neighbor so asking people to wait four days or more after a storm to be patient the street will soon be plowed??? First two days we rec'd reverse 911 calls nothing since so this should be exceptable I think not-The State County,AP,Neptune and surrounding towns slept on this storm,my mom's and sisters street not plow yet in Netpune,!!!-gotta go finally hear a plow on my street From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:11:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? The state because they NEVER showed up to plow it. t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (46) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .Wishful thnking it was Neptune traveling through not AP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Wishful thinking it was Neptune passing through [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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the joke is on me -wishful thinking it was Neptune passing through From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:38:06 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:18:00 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Wi From: denise denisem...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 10:10:46 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Neptune's 4x4 vehicle ems vehicle carrying a critical patient got stuck on my street we did everything possible to try and get the vehicle dug out to no avail neighborhood ended up getting blankets so the patient could be placed on a sled like gurney and pulled three blocks short of 35 to an oem vehicle. ems left the vehicle returned to have the vehicled pulled out by a private contractor with a front loader who worked for neither Neptune or AP nothing else has come through ridge ave. Last year when city personnel started salting/sanding and plowing when the snow started we weathered the storm-I am fortunate enough to take time off using personal/vacation days some people are not as fortunate and when they miss a day they miss pay or could possibly be fired as was the threat to my neighbor so asking people to wait four days or more after a storm to be patient the street will soon be plowed??? First two days we rec'd reverse 911 calls nothing since so this should be exceptable I think not-The State County,AP,Neptune and surrounding towns slept on this storm,my mom's and sisters street not plow yet in Netpune,!!!-gotta go finally hear a plow on my street From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:11:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: Right now, there's a taxi stuck on Main St. in AP, right in the middle of the street, for at least the past 12 hours. Who's fault is that? The state because they NEVER showed up to plow it. t [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (46) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .Wishful thnking it was Neptune traveling through not AP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Wishful thinking it was Neptune passing through [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Saw the city's backhoe trying to shovel out the street sweeper's driveway,it got stuck and then they left-have not seen or heard anything since did get the reverse 911 call-thought they might try to do something with the street-not- a chance nothing from Neptune either- From: fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:38:47 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisem...@... wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
kingsley has been plowed as well as deal lake drive...but they didn't plow the lower end of the lake In a message dated 12/28/2010 7:21:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wernera...@yahoo.com writes: 5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not a plow in sight. This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park Ave across the lake from me are also snow-bound. The risk from lack of access is huge... there is no way fire and emergency services to help people in parts of the City if needed. My conclusion over the past several years that Asbury Park is dysfunctional appears to be panning out on many levels. Regards to All- Werner --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , denise denisemchd@ wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
The message portion of my email was deleted(hmm)-I saw the city back hoe used on the private driveway of the street sweeper,it got stuck trying to clean his driveway which is my I am really upset-because after they unstuck they backhoe they left and never came back.not touching the street-my daughter and granddaughter on leave from the army are stuck in my house and will have to return to duty soon. Plus it's a good thing I am considered non essential personnel from the county -can't get to work From: asburyst...@aol.com asburyst...@aol.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 8:12:17 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet kingsley has been plowed as well as deal lake drive...but they didn't plow the lower end of the lake In a message dated 12/28/2010 7:21:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wernera...@yahoo.com writes: 5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not a plow in sight. This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park Ave across the lake from me are also snow-bound. The risk from lack of access is huge... there is no way fire and emergency services to help people in parts of the City if needed. My conclusion over the past several years that Asbury Park is dysfunctional appears to be panning out on many levels. Regards to All- Werner --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In _asburyp...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , denise denisemchd@ wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:31:33 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet I have never seen such an incredibly non-existent snow removal plan in my life. My street is a nightmare. My downstairs neighbor is a nurse, and it's going to take all day to get her car out. The only plowing that occurred left 1 car wide lane in the middle of the street, and there's 3 car widths of heavy snow between. What a joke. Where did all the money go that AP made from parking? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: And the the funny thing is,the way the snow has drifted, it is really deep between my front door and the driveway, but after I put my daughter to sleep, I suited up to start tackling it. We have no garage or storage so the snow shovel was placed in this little space on the side of the house. The way the snow blew though- it blew into that little space and it is as high as I am in there (that has never happened before) so the shovel is hidden and the snow is too deep for me to get in and try to find it! :) Ugghh Bah humbug! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I was thinking the same thing re: emergency services esp since I have a young child. Since the street isn't plowed, my condo association has not had anyone come and plow the driveway of shovel us out. I am waa back from the street and there are huge snow drifts and a fence in my way. I feel very trapped- not good. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: 5th Avenue from Grand Ave to the beachfront has been impassable for 2 days. Not a plow in sight. This is the worst snow response I have ever seen in 30 years here. And there have been similar storms. Looking around, it appears that Sunset Ave and Park Ave across the lake from me are also snow-bound. The risk from lack of access is huge... there is no way fire and emergency services to help people in parts of the City if needed. My conclusion over the past several years that Asbury Park is dysfunctional appears to be panning out on many levels. Regards to All- Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Arg. I saw one go by last night but I don't think they've plowed 6th ave since. I got a *red alert* phone call from the police last night and again today. The one today (recorded message) apologized for the lack of services and that they would be contacting outside contractors. We are still totally snowed in. My mom in North Jersey lives on a quiet dead-end street and she was plowed out. This is crazy! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Werner you hit the nail on the head Sunday night I watched two plows trying to work together, and all they did was move snow to the middle of the road You could tell they didn't have the skillset or know-how That was the last time I saw a plow Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:40:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet The issue is not money... recall that the City has not had any problem spending money it does not have for the past decade. The problem is not having the skill set to deal with this. The two most experienced public works employees were relieved/fired/retired last month. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hing...@... wrote: I have never seen such an incredibly non-existent snow removal plan in my life. My street is a nightmare. My downstairs neighbor is a nurse, and it's going to take all day to get her car out. The only plowing that occurred left 1 car wide lane in the middle of the street, and there's 3 car widths of heavy snow between. What a joke. Where did all the money go that AP made from parking? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
Jack - on an unrelated note, do you give guitar lessons? Ill hit you up on FB later today with specifics Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:43:23 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet True. It's amazing that the city had plenty of warning for this storm, yet as it unfolded there was no road sanding or salting, no early plowing, nothing. Even Main street is a nightmare. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: The issue is not money... recall that the City has not had any problem spending money it does not have for the past decade. The problem is not having the skill set to deal with this. The two most experienced public works employees were relieved/fired/retired last month. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I have never seen such an incredibly non-existent snow removal plan in my life. My street is a nightmare. My downstairs neighbor is a nurse, and it's going to take all day to get her car out. The only plowing that occurred left 1 car wide lane in the middle of the street, and there's 3 car widths of heavy snow between. What a joke. Where did all the money go that AP made from parking? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
i just got back, i walked down third to grand to cookman, back up to main and back to third. there is one lane down all those roads (except side streets). on main st, everyone is walking down the middle of the rd. cars are parked / abandoned literally in the middle of the street. at around 2nd and main there is an abandoned taxi, looks like it was trying to make a left turn but got stuck. NOT A SINGLE COP or FD or city personnel in sight. i peeked in the firehouse as there was a APFD truck w/ plow outside - about 4 men were sitting having coffee, looking out the window... cars are not only double parked, they are IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. my neighbor is a volunteer citizen on patrol. when he called the PD, the dispatcher said they city had NO PLAN and no contracts in place for plowing and that the city manger was driving around trying to come up with a plan. she reported that they were trying to get the side streets plowed tonite or tomorrow morning, hopefully. I *WILL REMEMBER* THIS WHEN ITS TIME TO VOTE. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: Esp since AP is a relatively small city that is basically a grid. Plows and salt trunks should have been going constantly throughout the storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: I'm taking your question as facetious. Waiting until there is several feet accumulated is ridiculous. The proper process is to start sanding/salting when snowfall starts. Followed by clearing during the storm so that accumulations on streets do not occur leading to the stuck vehicles you mention. Dealing with a heavy snowfall is s much art as it is science and requires experienced leadership to be effective. Waiting until a storm is over and then trying to address it is clearly irresponsible. Certainly there can be extenuating circumstances (available resources, equipment/manpower), but the basic process is well known. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Did any of you ever try to plow 3-4 feet of snow - with cars stuck in the road? Front end loaders are one of the only ones to start making a path. In ot, we just got plowed out 7 am Tues . The county hasnt been able to clear all of norwood ave. With layoffs and v-days and limited equipment along with record blowing snowfall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
We don't vote for City Managers, but I know what you're saying Werner hit it before, the execution fell way short, poor planning horrible execution, no follow thru Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bob Loblaw bobloblaws.b...@gmail.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:53:18 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet i just got back, i walked down third to grand to cookman, back up to main and back to third. there is one lane down all those roads (except side streets). on main st, everyone is walking down the middle of the rd. cars are parked / abandoned literally in the middle of the street. at around 2nd and main there is an abandoned taxi, looks like it was trying to make a left turn but got stuck. NOT A SINGLE COP or FD or city personnel in sight. i peeked in the firehouse as there was a APFD truck w/ plow outside - about 4 men were sitting having coffee, looking out the window... cars are not only double parked, they are IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. my neighbor is a volunteer citizen on patrol. when he called the PD, the dispatcher said they city had NO PLAN and no contracts in place for plowing and that the city manger was driving around trying to come up with a plan. she reported that they were trying to get the side streets plowed tonite or tomorrow morning, hopefully. I *WILL REMEMBER* THIS WHEN ITS TIME TO VOTE. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: Esp since AP is a relatively small city that is basically a grid. Plows and salt trunks should have been going constantly throughout the storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@... wrote: I'm taking your question as facetious. Waiting until there is several feet accumulated is ridiculous. The proper process is to start sanding/salting when snowfall starts. Followed by clearing during the storm so that accumulations on streets do not occur leading to the stuck vehicles you mention. Dealing with a heavy snowfall is s much art as it is science and requires experienced leadership to be effective. Waiting until a storm is over and then trying to address it is clearly irresponsible. Certainly there can be extenuating circumstances (available resources, equipment/manpower), but the basic process is well known. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Did any of you ever try to plow 3-4 feet of snow - with cars stuck in the road? Front end loaders are one of the only ones to start making a path. In ot, we just got plowed out 7 am Tues . The county hasnt been able to clear all of norwood ave. With layoffs and v-days and limited equipment along with record blowing snowfall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Has anyone seen a snow plow yet
you know what, it isnt about walking or cars or about what everyone else is doing. as mentioned, i was happy to walk. i enjoy the snow. However, when i am unemployeed my spouses' income is essential to us. Asbury would be really fantasic if it were not for the city government. I suppose i have been fortunate to have previously lived in towns and cities where things ran smoothly and we didn't notice when things went as planned. but the fact is, Asbury Park did NOT plan for this even though they had 48 hours plus notice. can you imagine if there was (god forbid) a terrorist attack, nuclear accident or natural event such as a flood or eathquake? It's be a free for all. The city of AP has let me and my neighbors down over and over and I'm fed up, this is just one more thing to add to my list. - this fall 3 of the 7 houses on my street were broken into - one car window broken by kids, one car window broken by the neighbors who got into a fight (the police responded to break up the fight, noted the property damage but did nothing to prosecute the responsible party or notify me, the owner), - the unreasonable traffic tickets (1. lights not on while wipers were on, despite it not raining, got that dismissed. car parked too close to traffic light - i was in the middle of a block and there was no light, that was dismissed too). dad got no seatbelt while moving the car across the street for alt parking by THE FIRE DEPT- all within last yr. -my female neighbor who was arrested by APPD (who called her names i wont repeat) for hitting her husband when she attempted to defend herself from his repeated physical abuse. she was taken to monmouth county jail overnite and prosecuted for assault becuase he had a 'fresh' mark on him when hers were old. - the drug dealers next door the PD doesn't do anything about, despite eye witness acoounts from a number of neighbors - i will also note the obvious which doesnt need mentioning - the waterfront redevelopment. yea, save your this is the real world / this is AP speech. I know it. But guess what? I have choices. I am exersizing my CHOICE of where to live and im selling my house and moving (a decision we made months ago). I complain about this snow plowing because I PAY TAXES. these are services i have pre-paid for and have not recieved. just because all the jersey shore is not being plowed DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT. I moved here because i wanted to help make a difference and support AP. I am a designer, an artist, and I wanted to be surrounded by like mided folks. I have been involved and tried to help and volunteer. I love the people - all walks of life - except the corrupt people in office who run this town. I am not the first and will not be the last to leave because of this. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:09 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: I have to add though that it is not just Asbury- the whole shore area seems to be having trouble. I grew up in North Jersey as I've said before and the worst storm I ever experiences there took 48 hours max to clean up, usually it is 24 hours. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: I don't think the problem is about driving cars around. If people have an emergency, vehicles can't get through. Others NEED to get to work (either because they are are nurses/doctors or bc they are simply supporting their family and don't have the most understanding of employers). Moreover, it is all well and good to walk around and be peaceful about it, but I don't keep a ton of food in my house and I am not walking down the middle of the street with a 17 month old on my back. Luckily, I took this week off from work anyway because if not, there is no way my employer in NYC would be understanding about me taking 3 or 4 days for a snow storm. People in North Jersey where my mother lives have been driving since Monday afternoon and she claims they also got a lot of snow. It is about planning and execution as Werner said. The Stone Pony cancelled shows through Thursday? That is four days for a storm. In my mind, that is unacceptable. And just because it isn't as bad as what the miners went through- I mean how could you even compare to something like that?- Doesn't mean we don't have a right to have our town execute a cohesive plan to clean our streets after a snow storm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I was worried about my neighbor getting to her job (she's a nurse) but honestly,I don't mind being snowed in. Plus I got plenty of exercise. What worries me the most is how are any emergency service vehicles going to get to people in case of emergency. Currently there's a stuck garbage truck at the end of mystreet, and a stuck tractor trailer on main. Mostly, just think about what the Chilean miners endured. We have nothing to complain about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
