Re: [Assam] Amazing Indian student migration
Dear Umesh, Thanks for sharing your experience with us. It seems students in the present day America get opportunities to maintain a car worth US$ 3.500/- and live a life of luxury. The next generation which will come to study in USA would have a different life. You mention that when you took your first flight Google earth was not there. I am sure the generation will certainly have a different set of software. May be they will be able to smell the fragrance of the flower before they place an order. It is being experimented now. Myself, I belong to a different generation. In the autumn of my life I have learnt to look to life from a different angle. I sailed from Bombay (nay Mumbai) to Genoa. It took 16 days. In my childhood not all houses had electricity. I grew up without radios, refrigerators, electrical fans, and air conditioners, running water or flush toilets. Also in those days, unknown to us were products like contact lenses, copying and fax machines, ballpoints, gas cylinders etc. At Jorhat, in my early schooldays, at dawn before the world woke up, a group of Harijan men and women employed by the municipality started their work by collecting night soil. They went from house to house to collect human excreta in a large tin then carry on the same to deposit it in a big tank, which was then pulled away by a tractor. Some of us would not like to remember that such professions existed in a free country like India. In those days we did not hear about CD, DVD, MP3, video, PIN, magnetrons, artificial kidneys, GSM, word processing, computers, Internet, e-mail, ATM, jet engines, satellites or hippies and yuppies. We never heard of mid-life crisis or the burnout syndrome or the LAT (living apart together) relation. We knew only about 33 RPM gramophone records of His Masters Voice. The dentist of my childhood used a foot driven machine to drill a tooth. In our young days when something happened in the town the main means of mass communication was a rickshaw fitted with a loudspeaker announcing the coming event, which was most of the time about screening of a new film. We may be the last generation who thought that one needs a man to have a baby. Artificial insemination and test tube babies were unheard of. No wonder that there is a generation gap. In spit of lacking all the modern amenities we went further exploring new frontiers. But we have survived. The same is the case with your generation. I am sure the generation before us - when they went abroad for their studies in 1920 had completely different type of experience. It is just how you look to life and what you make out of it. Wahid da Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens umesh sharma Verzonden: dinsdag 14 augustus 2007 6:34 Aan: assam@assamnet.org Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Amazing Indian student migration I heard of genius Assamese now 38 yearold now going to become President of SAP India - who initially went to Delhu Univ to to bachelors in Science in 1987 and there heard of SAT (US college entrannce exam) and worked hard and got an amazing 1580 out of max 1600 (that was pre-internet) and landed a full scholarship to MIT. Later went to Harvard Business School and then on to many ventures - and finally to SAP. At 38 he would be the top guy to head Indian venture and likely to come to US and get further growth in US I heard of GRE/GMAT only after going to Delhi. Even in 2002 when I wanted to by a GRE prep book there was none in the top bookstores in my hometown -- I prepared without one - relying on internet and www.grebible.com There were indeed a few gys from my hometown who had gone to US for higher studies - but none went straight from my hometown itself. I think it is merely a big city phenomena and not surprisingly some big city students look down on small city mentality guys -ofcourse a few of them from metros still don't eat and drink and lead amorous life like theire more modern US counterparts . Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Some might be interested in it --esp if they are not from Indian metros. I went with my roommate to pick up 3 Indian students from Dulles Intl Airport in his old $3500 car purchased recently.- all came in same flight Qatar Airways --all from Mumbai. About 1,000 students from Delhi about 2,000 from Mumbai come to US each year to study - mostly masters in engineering etc -- mostly paid from own pocket -- perhaps higher real estate prices helps finance an education beyond the reach of most India (though in smaller govt run colleges tuition is less ($28,000 per master's dgeree and earn enough to pay for stay mostly ) and some get teaching assistantship - which is too less to be attractive for US students. IIT, Chicago (Illinois Int. of Technology) has taken in 2,000 students from India each year - my roommates tell me. Two of them already were on lease (thru their classmates who had moved in our apartment complex last
[Assam] Destroyed File: CIC ask PMO to furnish details on Netaji
Destroyed File: CIC ask PMO to furnish details on Netaji http://justiceforsubhas.blogspot.com/ Giving its decision on the vexed issued of a destroyed PMO file on Subhas Chandra Bose's fate, the Central Information Commission has directed the Prime Minister's Office to provide documents sought by Mission Netaji. A copy each of page 68/N in File no RTI/219/2006/PMO and page 151/C of File No 2(64)56-70 PM Vol V (closed) will now be provided to Shri Anuj Dhar within one week of issue of this Decision Notice, directed Chief Information Officer Wajahat Habibullah. The Chief Information Officer also handed over to PMO Director Amit Aggarwal copy of a letter by Dhar to Habibullah with the instruction that this document may be examined ... (and) further information provided to him. Dhar's letter lists 9 letters/documents exchanged between the PMO and Mukherjee Commission and states that the key issue is transparency. An evidently secret file concerning a matter of national importance appears to have been destroyed in suspicious circumstances and the PMO is sidestepping the issue. As such, the disclosure of 1 to 9 above will not only be in tune with my original application seeking 'all papers concerning the destruction of file No 12(226)/56-PM' but also serve public interest. The file in question (No. 12(226)/56-PM titled Investigation into the circumstances leading to the death of Shri Subhas Chandra Bose) was destroyed in 1972 when Khosla Commission of Inquiry was functioning. The destruction was prima facie unlawful. Government procedures don't allow destruction of even unclassified historical papers relating to issues which gave rise to interest or controversy on the national plane. File 12(226)/56-PM in all probability was Top Secret, as most papers on Netaji's death are, and yet, the Prime Minister's Office informed Mission Netaji that it was destroyed during routine process of review/weeding of old records. Government rules regarding review/weeding of records are very clear that files/documents will not be destroyed in case an inquiry has been initiated ... by a Commission of Inquiry. The destruction can only take place after the submission of the report by the Commission and with due approval of the head of the department. It is still not known who ordered the destruction of this file and why. However, it has been rumoured that the file was maintained by former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and was destroyed on orders of PN Haksar, the Secretary to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. In 1970s, the matter was brought to the notice of High Court judge GD Khosla, a friend of Pandit Nehru's, but he chose to remark in his report that no case of concealment of evidence had been made out against the Government and that file was destroyed in the ordinary course of routine according to which old and unwanted files are destroyed to lighten the burden of the record rooms. On the other hand, Mukherjee Commission (1999-2005) opined that the file could have been of great assistance in resolving the matter. Unlike Khosla, whose inquiry betrayed evidence of partiality and fraudulence, Mukherjee, a former Supreme Court judge, almost indicted the Government for not parting with details about the file's destruction. http://justiceforsubhas.blogspot.com/ - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Deportation of foreigners a farce � R Dutta Choudhury
Deportation of foreigners a farce R Dutta Choudhury The process of detection and deportation of foreigners living in Assam is turning out to be a farce as majority of the persons declared as foreigners by the tribunals could not be deported over the years, which also raised question marks on the sincerity of the Government in dealing with the problem. If the Government is really serious in dealing with the problem of infiltration of foreigners, which not only posed a serious threat to the identity of the indigenous people, but also posing a grave security threat, adequate steps should be taken at least to deport those identified as foreigners by the tribunals. The figures given out by the State Government exposed the fact that something is seriously wrong in the process of detection and deportation of foreigners from the state and if the loopholes in the process are not plugged, those will encourage more infiltration from across the border. The Government of Assam recently admitted in the State Assembly that more than 42,000 foreigners were detected since the singing of the Assam Accord in 1985 and only about 2,100 of them could be deported. In the first five months of this year, only around 50 persons were declared as foreigners by the tribunals set up under the provisions of the amended Foreigners Act but none of them could be deported as they went missing. One fails to understand what prevented the Government from deporting the persons declared as foreigners by the tribunals. The Government should also make public the whereabouts of the persons identified as foreigners. The law enforcing agencies should have kept a close tab on the persons declared as foreigners so that they cannot move to other parts of the State to mingle with the local population to avoid detection. It is a fact that the process of detection of foreigners is painstakingly slow and this fact was admitted by Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi recently in a Press conference. Gogoi admitted that the process of detection of foreigners by the tribunals was turning out to be very slow and announced his decision to hold talks with the judges of the tribunals to know their problems and to request them to expedite the process. But the question is if the persons declared as foreigners by the tribunals cannot be deported, what is the use of spending time, energy and public funds in detecting foreigners. Of course, pushing back foreigners is a difficult task as the Government of Bangladesh always refuses to accept those detected as foreigners as its citizen, but the Government of India must adopt a tough stand and take up the issue seriously with the Government of Bangladesh. To expedite the process of detection of foreigners, the Government should strengthen the Border Police wing of the Assam Police. Over the years, successive Governments at Dispur failed to give due attention on the need for strengthening the force. Moreover, the personnel of the Border Police, posted in different districts, are often engaged in law and order duties and they have very little time in concentrating in their assigned task, which is very unfortunate. The personnel of the force should be used exclusively for detection of foreigners. The failure of the Government to detect foreigners also led to an unfortunate situation, which forced students and youths organisations to take the laws into their own hands. In recent times, members of different such organisations including the All Assam Students Union (AASU) and Asom Jatiyatabadi Yuba Chatra Parishad (AJYCP) decided to take the laws into their own hands and tried to apprehend persons whom they suspect as foreigners. This may lead to social tension in Assam and the Government will have to take the blame for that. No one should be allowed to take the laws into their own hands as the students organisations have no means to detect a foreigner and it is the responsibility of the Government to detect and deport anyone staying illegally in Assam. Recently the Chief Minister announced that the Government would form vigilance committees for detection of foreigners. The committees comprising cross sections of people will report to police if they suspect anyone to be a foreigner. This may help the police in detecting foreign nationals, but at the same time, the whole process will turn out to be a meaningless exercise if the persons detected as foreigners are not deported from Assam. Different organisations particularly those representing the minority communities often allege harassment of Indian citizens in the process of detection of foreigners and the Government should also ensure that no genuine Indian citizen is harassed. The updating of the National Register of Citizens (NRC) of 1951 could have helped the concerned law enforcing agencies in detection of foreigners and it will also reduce harassment of genuine Indian citizens. But unfortunately, the
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
Greetings Thakuria. I hope you are carrying the torch of Oxomiya journalism high and bright in the international field as Assam's representative. Thanks for sharing the appeal. Even though I don't, as a rule, indulge in 'flag-waving' of any kind and think of the pursuit in the same vein as how HG Wells viewed 'patriotism': A mere national self-assertion, a sentimentality of flag cheering, with no constructive duties, I felt I owed a response since you were kind enough to send me a personal copy. It seems to me that a far more useful activity for those of you who are able, would be to analyze, inform and educate the people about how such things as an armed insurgency came about from popular discontent brewing over decades in Assam and has not subsided in spite of tens of thousands of Assamese lives taken and given by and to Indian military operations spanning a quarter century; what the much touted 'democratic' governments, past and present have done ( or not done) to eradicate the causes of such discontent and how to hold what you all present to the world, by default, as the 'legitimate' government accountable; offer achievable and sustainable solutions instead of merely crying hoarse without anything to contribute. And if you are unable to that yourself, go seek out those who can and make use of collective wisdom of the people who call Assam home, and help giving it the exposure from which the people can learn and act to change things for the better. That would be something meaningful. Best. cm At 6:22 AM + 8/12/07, Nava Thakuria wrote: AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE We, the undersigned urge the people of Assam to celebrate the 60th anniversary of our Independence Day on August 15 in a befitting manner ignoring the threats that have come from certain quarters. We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, as we have inherited the spirit of the freedom fighters who had made immense sacrifices and a good number of whom, like Kushal Konwar and Kanaklata, had even laid down their lives to free the country from the clutches of colonial rulers. The Independence Day this time has added significance as it coincides with the birth centenary celebrations of martyr Bhagat Singh. We therefore, call upon the people of the State to hoist the National Tricolour on the Day atop their houses and also to organize community celebrations in their respective localities. On the Day, we will also hoist the National Flag on the Guwahati Press Club campus at 11a.m. So, its our appeal to the people to join the programme and make it a success. Nirupama Borgohain, Dhirendra Nath Bezboruah Dhirendra Nath Chakravarty, Sushanta Talukdar, Bhupen Bargohain Ajit Patowary Rupam Baruah, Nava Thakuria, Ranen Kumar Goswami, Hiten Mahanta Ratna Bharali Talukdar Sabita Lahkar Girindra Kumar Karjee Mukul Kalita Dhanjit Kakoti Pramod Kalita http://adworks.rediff.com/cgi-bin/AdWorks/click.cgi/www.rediff.com/signature-home.htm/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/1307758_1301384/1307141/1?PARTNER=3OAS_QUERY=null target=new ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, C'da do you think that some group should restrict this right? I thought you promote freedom of thought and expression Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? However most intellectually able people do not hold it in high esteem. Anyone can do it. Just like wearing ones patriotism on one's shirtsleeves. That is why thoughtful people also do not give any importance to such demonstration, in fact some very well thought of people have called the pursuit the 'first resort of a scoundrel' or 'the last refuge of a scoundrel'. I merely explained that it is meaningless , without anything constructive in it, as far as I am concerned. Like HG Wells said. Why my opinion ? That is because Thakuria was kind enough to inform me of their effort with the appeal, no doubt something they believe is useful or constructive or beneficial for Assam. See my post from 2002 on the topic I am forwarding next. Why? Is there a sudden dearth of supporters, that you would urge Thakuria Co. to carry water for such causes? *** Why don't YOU take a wild guess? But considering the question I guess that would not be all that useful, so allow me to help out: Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. But I realize, desi-demokrasy and the Assam press' role in it does not necessarily reflect that. c-da At 9:34 AM -0600 8/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, As this is a public forum, thought I would weigh in too. I really do not see anything wrong with some people wanting to and encouraging others to celebrate the Independence Day by hoisting the National Flag. It may irk some that there are many Assamese who actually want to celebrate in such a fashion. That is understandible. What is so wrong that some people are willing to celebrate as they wish, instead of staying home for fear of violence? All they want to do is peacefully celebrate the Independence that they cherish - but of course, only if others will let them! It seems to me that a far more useful activity for those of you who are able, would be to analyze, inform and educate the people about how such things as an armed insurgency came about from popular discontent brewing over decades in Assam Why? Is there a sudden dearth of supporters, that you would urge Thakuria Co. to carry water for such causes? And who decides what activities are useful and which ones are not? --Ram I On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Thakuria. I hope you are carrying the torch of Oxomiya journalism high and bright in the international field as Assam's representative. Thanks for sharing the appeal. Even though I don't, as a rule, indulge in 'flag-waving' of any kind and think of the pursuit in the same vein as how HG Wells viewed 'patriotism': A mere national self-assertion, a sentimentality of flag cheering, with no constructive duties, I felt I owed a response since you were kind enough to send me a personal copy. It seems to me that a far more useful activity for those of you who are able, would be to analyze, inform and educate the people about how such things as an armed insurgency came about from popular discontent brewing over decades in Assam and has not subsided in spite of tens of thousands of Assamese lives taken and given by and to Indian military operations spanning a quarter century; what the much touted 'democratic' governments, past and present have done ( or not done) to eradicate the causes of such discontent and how to hold what you all present to the world, by default, as the 'legitimate' government accountable; offer achievable and sustainable solutions instead of merely crying hoarse without anything to contribute. And if you are unable to that yourself, go seek out those who can and make use of collective wisdom of the people who call Assam home, and help giving it the exposure from which the people can learn and act to change things for the better. That would be something meaningful. Best. cm At 6:22 AM + 8/12/07, Nava Thakuria wrote: AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE We, the undersigned urge the people of Assam to celebrate the 60th anniversary of our Independence Day on August 15 in a befitting manner ignoring the threats that have come from certain quarters. We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, as we have inherited the spirit of the freedom fighters who had made immense sacrifices and a good number of whom, like Kushal Konwar and Kanaklata, had even laid down their lives to free the country from the clutches of colonial rulers. The Independence Day this time has added significance as it coincides with the birth centenary celebrations of martyr Bhagat Singh. We therefore, call upon the people of the State to hoist the National Tricolour on the Day atop their houses and also to organize community celebrations in their respective localities. On the Day, we will also hoist the National Flag on the Guwahati Press Club
[Assam] Flagwaving Blues
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:48:54 -0500 To: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Flagwaving Blues I have little use for those who wear their patriotism on their buttonholes, or their piety on their necks or their foreheads. But I won't get in the way of those who wish to do just that. It is their prerogative, and it is their choice. Similarly for flagwaving. Flagwaving , like other forms of similar demonstrations, IS a form of speech. Not everyone is articulate enough, or have the opportunity to vent their feelings about love of country thru verbalizations, or thru writings. To them flagwaving is a legitimate and valid form of communicating how they feel. NOTHING wrong with that. I respect that. What I have NO respect for is when flagwaving or absence thereof is used as a yardstick to judge somebody's patriotism. If I don't go waving it, and I am automatically deemed unpatriotic because of it, is what I reject. Why? Simple. Anyone can wave a flag to demonstrate one's love of country. But even an out and out charlatan, or a true traitor can do just that--and pass off as the genuine stuff. While a genuine patriot could be accused of being unpatriotic for not waving a flag. It is NOT a valid yardstick. Similarly for the outward demonstrations of religious faith. It is something that is abused much more often than flagwaving. I know many, first hand, who go about sporting their piety, while their true selves are far less than nominally respectable. Ultimately it boils down to this: We can fool the whole wide world. But we cannot fool ourselves, unless we choose to do just that. cm ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Assam Press
Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. But I realize, desi-demokrasy and the Assam press' role in it does not necessarily reflect that. C'da, The Assam Press you are referring to includes soe of the very renowned figures of Assam like DN Bezbarua, Nirupama Borgohain et al. Over past few years we have learnt that School Teachers of Assam, Villagers of Assam (who lynched ULFA), Bureaucrats of Assam, Assam Police, AXX and now even Assam Press - all of them favor Desi Demokrasy over Independent Assam . enemies of Assam. If tomorrow Assam gets that elusive independence, how do you plan to run the Govt (i.e. if you plan to migrate back to Assam to help build it) with the entire population favoring Desi Demokrasy ? One option might be to go for a ethnic cleansing and import hoards of Bangladeshis to run it. Not sure if that is the plan :) Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. *** That is his prerogative. Question is what will it RESULT in? How is Assam going to benefit from it? Surely they have been crying hoarse over everything from ULFA to B'deshis to corruption to 'pseudo-secularism' to American foreign policy. But how have they contributed ANYTHING to change what they decry so? Or HOW to go about accomplishing what they would like to see? X-YMail-OSG: 0VzFeUwVM1mYhWVKDYjVNPKOd8hB2g7X3.POdI4bghA0g_KdeyVY0SORJRXEXngrgPs4NtoyNRBIvxdSk.LFp3YFFfXUz5JN6xjlZyzCzucJWXdy5ypuIShLYSSO7Z.CAfknfupMbFcXcgc- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Chzlrs: 0 Read your post as well as your earlier post (Flagwaving Blues) . I do agree with your post (Flagwaving Blues). You have mentioned --- flagwaving is a legitimate and valid form of communicating how they feel. NOTHING wrong with that. I respect that. However, what is happening in Assam is that SOME people are NOT respecting this and restricting others to express their feeling. Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. What is wrong with that ? K PS: I noticed you did not mark a copy to Assamnet. I respect your privacy and not marking to assamnet --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: READ my post and it will be self evident. While at it, look at my post of 2002 also. We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, C'da do you think that some group should restrict this right? I thought you promote freedom of thought and expression Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
C'da I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? No, you did not, but the implications are strong. This from your other post: What I have NO respect for is when flagwaving or absence thereof is used as a yardstick to judge somebody's patriotism. Now, what could be wrong with that? Count on my support here. But how did you deduce that Thakuria others are *NOT patriotic*, and that they just wave flags - and hence, by inference, not really 'intellectuals' (HG Wells et al!)? I think they are. I have often enjoyed DN B's columns. I think of him as one of Assam's intellectuals. I would not doubt his patriotism for Assam or India. The fact that these intellectuals are sending out a mass appeal to all the people in Assam, and urging them NOT to be afraid and cowed-down and celebrate with the rest of the Nation, is very laudable. Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. What is that role, C'da? Why can't the media cover a broad spectrum - some supportive of your cause, while others not? Are those that support your views the ONLY ones on the right track? Are they the only ones that are patriotic, true upholders of genuine jouranlism etc etc? For all the critisism of Desi Democracy, the media in India is pretty free. That is why even near anti-national views are tolerated, and are free to publish almost anything. Maybe there should be a Chinese style Democracy - then everything would straighten out, and people will soon be singing praises of India.:) I think, C'da you might want to take off those rose-colored glasses :):) --Ram Further, On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? However most intellectually able people do not hold it in high esteem. Anyone can do it. Just like wearing ones patriotism on one's shirtsleeves. That is why thoughtful people also do not give any importance to such demonstration, in fact some very well thought of people have called the pursuit the* 'first resort of a scoundrel*' or* 'the last refuge of a scoundrel'.* I merely explained that it is meaningless , without anything constructive in it, as far as I am concerned. Like HG Wells said. Why my opinion ? That is because Thakuria was kind enough to inform me of their effort with the appeal, no doubt something they believe is useful or constructive or beneficial for Assam. See my post from 2002 on the topic I am forwarding next. *Why? Is there a sudden dearth of supporters, that you would urge Thakuria Co. to carry water for such causes?* *** Why don't YOU take a wild guess? But considering the question I guess that would not be all that useful, so allow me to help out: Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. But I realize, desi-demokrasy and the Assam press' role in it does not necessarily reflect that. c-da At 9:34 AM -0600 8/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, As this is a public forum, thought I would weigh in too. I really do not see anything wrong with some people wanting to and encouraging others to celebrate the Independence Day by hoisting the National Flag. It may irk some that there are many Assamese who actually want to celebrate in such a fashion. That is understandible. What is so wrong that some people are willing to celebrate as they wish, instead of staying home for fear of violence? All they want to do is peacefully celebrate the Independence that they cherish - but of course, only if others will let them! It seems to me that a far more useful activity for those of you who are able, would be to analyze, inform and educate the people about how such things as an armed insurgency came about from popular discontent brewing over decades in Assam Why? Is there a sudden dearth of supporters, that you would urge Thakuria Co. to carry water for such causes? And who decides what activities are useful and which ones are not? --Ram I On 8/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Thakuria. I hope you are carrying the torch of Oxomiya journalism high and bright in the international field as Assam's representative. Thanks for sharing the appeal. Even though I don't, as a rule, indulge in 'flag-waving' of any kind and think of the pursuit in the same vein as how HG Wells viewed 'patriotism':* A mere national self-assertion, a sentimentality of flag cheering, with no constructive duties,* I felt I owed a response since you were kind enough to send me a personal copy. It seems to me that a far more useful activity for those of you who are able, would be to analyze, inform and educate the people about how such things as an armed insurgency came about from popular discontent brewing over decades in Assam and has not subsided in spite of tens of thousands of Assamese lives taken and given by and to Indian military operations spanning a quarter
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
--- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. *** That is his prerogative. And that is what you are questioning Question is what will it RESULT in? How is Assam going to benefit from it? Surely they have been crying hoarse over everything from ULFA to B'deshis to corruption to 'pseudo-secularism' to American foreign policy. But how have they contributed ANYTHING to change what they decry so? Or HOW to go about accomplishing what they would like to see? You are trying to twist the original question Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? And about what they have accomplished .. what have you accomplished after crying hoarse on anything Indian for over a decade (may be more). X-YMail-OSG: 0VzFeUwVM1mYhWVKDYjVNPKOd8hB2g7X3.POdI4bghA0g_KdeyVY0SORJRXEXngrgPs4NtoyNRBIvxdSk.LFp3YFFfXUz5JN6xjlZyzCzucJWXdy5ypuIShLYSSO7Z.CAfknfupMbFcXcgc- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Chzlrs: 0 Read your post as well as your earlier post (Flagwaving Blues) . I do agree with your post (Flagwaving Blues). You have mentioned --- flagwaving is a legitimate and valid form of communicating how they feel. NOTHING wrong with that. I respect that. However, what is happening in Assam is that SOME people are NOT respecting this and restricting others to express their feeling. Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. What is wrong with that ? K PS: I noticed you did not mark a copy to Assamnet. I respect your privacy and not marking to assamnet --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: READ my post and it will be self evident. While at it, look at my post of 2002 also. We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, C'da do you think that some group should restrict this right? I thought you promote freedom of thought and expression Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Ram: At 11:35 AM -0600 8/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? No, you did not, but the implications are strong. *** Can you explain HOW you read that in my post? You attended St. Xaviers' College and thus don't qualify to invoke the 'that damned English language' defense :-). How do you infer that I was telling Thakuria that his flag waving pursuit is wrong? I am pretty straightforward about what I want to say. I don't beat around the bush like a lot of other netters do. If I had deemed it WRONG I would have said so, without hesitation, because over the decades I have found that subtlety of language is not a desi-strength. One needs to be blunt for it to register. And that is why I take the trouble to explain everything in so many words, like now :-). But I must say this: YOU are belaboring the point, because you know that you don't have a leg to stand on to challenge what I wrote. This from your other post: What I have NO respect for is when flagwaving or absence thereof is used as a yardstick to judge somebody's patriotism. Now, what could be wrong with that? Count on my support here. But how did you deduce that Thakuria others are NOT patriotic, and that they just wave flags - and hence, by inference, not really 'intellectuals' (HG Wells et al!)? You are mixing up different contexts. Stay to the subject if you have any respect for objectivity. I posted the Flagwaving Blues to explain my views about others' falg-waving, because you charged me with telling Thakuria that it is wrong. What is that role, C'da? Why can't the media cover a broad spectrum - some supportive of your cause, while others not? *** Again let us remain in context. Did I somehow imply that the Press need not perform other functions ? While it is your prerogative to jump to conclusions of your liking, to air the figments of your imaginations in this fashion has its consequences. And I hope you know what they are :-). For all the critisism of Desi Democracy, the media in India is pretty free. *** And look how they are using that freedom. What they are CONTRIBUTING . Or for that matter take a look at your own judgement in what makes for useful or constructive contributions from the press when you posted that infantile Op-Ed piece from the sentinel. Good thing Kamal wrote in judgement of the piece instead of me. Maybe there should be a Chinese style Democracy - then everything would straighten out, and people will soon be singing praises of India. *** Come on Ram. You can do whole lot better than that. Try it! I think, C'da you might want to take off those rose-colored glasses *** Sorry Ram. They are my original eyes that can see right thru the obfuscations and spin. And they shall remain where they are :-). Finally, why don't you tell us WHAT exactly is it that troubled you so about what I suggested to Thakuria for being useful and constructive for Assam in this context? c-da I think they are. I have often enjoyed DN B's columns. I think of him as one of Assam's intellectuals. I would not doubt his patriotism for Assam or India. The fact that these intellectuals are sending out a mass appeal to all the people in Assam, and urging them NOT to be afraid and cowed-down and celebrate with the rest of the Nation, is very laudable. Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. What is that role, C'da? Why can't the media cover a broad spectrum - some supportive of your cause, while others not? Are those that support your views the ONLY ones on the right track? Are they the only ones that are patriotic, true upholders of genuine jouranlism etc etc? For all the critisism of Desi Democracy, the media in India is pretty free. That is why even near anti-national views are tolerated, and are free to publish almost anything. Maybe there should be a Chinese style Democracy - then everything would straighten out, and people will soon be singing praises of India.:) I think, C'da you might want to take off those rose-colored glasses :):) --Ram Further, On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? However most intellectually able people do not hold it in high esteem. Anyone can do it. Just like wearing ones patriotism on one's shirtsleeves. That is why thoughtful people also do not give any importance to such demonstration, in fact some very well thought of people have called the pursuit the 'first resort of a scoundrel' or 'the last refuge of a scoundrel'. I merely explained that it is meaningless , without anything constructive in it, as far as I am concerned. Like HG Wells said. Why my opinion ? That is because Thakuria was kind enough to inform me of their effort with the appeal, no doubt something they believe is useful or constructive or
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Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. To expect otherwise would be a self imposed delusion. Therefore the prudent thing to do will be to find ways to end the conflict. And it is the press' role to help inform and educate the people, as I wrote, so that the conflict could be ended. *** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam would not allow an informed, unfettered discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be free or NOT ? Would they publish the debate we had in this forum? .. what have you accomplished after crying hoarse on anything Indian for over a decade (may be more). *** Helping educate people like yourselves, although not always successfully . In this context, the 'nwdhown gaa dhouaali, nakhawn bhaat khuali, nigilw ki koro kor' factor plays out quite often :-). At 10:50 AM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. *** That is his prerogative. And that is what you are questioning Question is what will it RESULT in? How is Assam going to benefit from it? Surely they have been crying hoarse over everything from ULFA to B'deshis to corruption to 'pseudo-secularism' to American foreign policy. But how have they contributed ANYTHING to change what they decry so? Or HOW to go about accomplishing what they would like to see? You are trying to twist the original question Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? And about what they have accomplished .. what have you accomplished after crying hoarse on anything Indian for over a decade (may be more). X-YMail-OSG: 0VzFeUwVM1mYhWVKDYjVNPKOd8hB2g7X3.POdI4bghA0g_KdeyVY0SORJRXEXngrgPs4NtoyNRBIvxdSk.LFp3YFFfXUz5JN6xjlZyzCzucJWXdy5ypuIShLYSSO7Z.CAfknfupMbFcXcgc- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Chzlrs: 0 Read your post as well as your earlier post (Flagwaving Blues) . I do agree with your post (Flagwaving Blues). You have mentioned --- flagwaving is a legitimate and valid form of communicating how they feel. NOTHING wrong with that. I respect that. However, what is happening in Assam is that SOME people are NOT respecting this and restricting others to express their feeling. Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. What is wrong with that ? K PS: I noticed you did not mark a copy to Assamnet. I respect your privacy and not marking to assamnet --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: READ my post and it will be self evident. While at it, look at my post of 2002 also. We believe that we, the people of the State have every right to celebrate the Day, C'da do you think that some group should restrict this right? I thought you promote freedom of thought and expression Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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*** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam would not allow an informed, unfettered discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be free or NOT ? Would they publish the debate we had in this forum? Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. However, a couple of years back a similar debate from AssamNet was published in Assam Tribune, if I remember correct. Have you tried sending an article /letter to Assam Press? There have been many instances when you have cited articles from Assam/Indian press in support of your view. So is it that only those journalists who favor your view are true journalist? Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those who debates for Assam being a part of India ? Now let us turn to your ideal and functioning democary . Try this send a letter to your local newspaper explaining Why St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will support a war against USA if it is not freed. if you need to find a reason I can help you let us see how your functioning democracy and its press treats you. *** Helping educate people like yourselves, although not always successfully . Actually . not a single case of success not much of accomplishment :) In this context, the 'nwdhown gaa dhouaali, nakhawn bhaat khuali, nigilw ki koro kor' factor plays out quite often :-). Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when you try avoiding difficult questions. --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. To expect otherwise would be a self imposed delusion. Therefore the prudent thing to do will be to find ways to end the conflict. And it is the press' role to help inform and educate the people, as I wrote, so that the conflict could be ended. *** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam would not allow an informed, unfettered discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be free or NOT ? Would they publish the debate we had in this forum? .. what have you accomplished after crying hoarse on anything Indian for over a decade (may be more). *** Helping educate people like yourselves, although not always successfully . In this context, the 'nwdhown gaa dhouaali, nakhawn bhaat khuali, nigilw ki koro kor' factor plays out quite often :-). At 10:50 AM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. *** That is his prerogative. And that is what you are questioning Question is what will it RESULT in? How is Assam going to benefit from it? Surely they have been crying hoarse over everything from ULFA to B'deshis to corruption to 'pseudo-secularism' to American foreign policy. But how have they contributed ANYTHING to change what they decry so? Or HOW to go about accomplishing what they would like to see? You are trying to twist the original question Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? And about what they have accomplished .. what have you accomplished after crying hoarse on anything Indian for over a decade (may be more). X-YMail-OSG: 0VzFeUwVM1mYhWVKDYjVNPKOd8hB2g7X3.POdI4bghA0g_KdeyVY0SORJRXEXngrgPs4NtoyNRBIvxdSk.LFp3YFFfXUz5JN6xjlZyzCzucJWXdy5ypuIShLYSSO7Z.CAfknfupMbFcXcgc- Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Chzlrs: 0 Read your post as well as your earlier post (Flagwaving Blues) . I do agree with your post (Flagwaving Blues). You have mentioned --- flagwaving is a legitimate and valid form of communicating how they feel. NOTHING wrong with that. I respect that. However, what is happening in Assam is that SOME people are NOT respecting this and restricting others to express their feeling. Nava Thakuria and others are just trying to decry this. What is wrong with that ? K
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I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. *** That is because you consider those who do not subscribe to ULFA's views are the true representatives of Assam. That maybe so. But why don't those who sport that halo, hold a referendum and decide, once and for all, who the true reps. of Assam are? ULFA has publicly agreed to accept the verdict of the people. That would be a way to bring the conflict to an end. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** I don't have any obligations to GoI. My obligations are to the people of Assam, their rights and their well-being. I also do not come from the ranks of those the who laughably sport the halo of being 'fair and-blanced' :-). Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. *** I did not ask you to speak for them. Just your opinion of whether they should is what I was hoping to hear. So is it that only those journalists who favor your view are true journalist? *** Is that something I said or implied? Or is that 'damned English language' problem again :-)? Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those who debates for Assam being a part of India ? *** If your cohorts do, or you do, I will surely attempt to get the approval of mine. But ULFA has publicly said, many times, that they would accept the verdict of a referendum. The need for a debate prior to such a referendum is implicit. send a letter to your local newspaper explaining Why St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will support a war against USA if it is not freed. *** That would be a very dumb thing to do, and the analogy could not be more absurd. St. Louis is not demanding to be free of the USA, much less waging a quarter century old insurgency. But if it does been, I will certainly comply with your request. Actually . not a single case of success not much of accomplishment :) *** You sure know how to hurt a guy. Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when you try avoiding difficult question *** I think you are toiling under an Oxomiya bhaxa problem too :-). Avoiding difficult questions, evasiveness, is not analogous to refusing to admit what stares one in the face. At 11:46 AM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam would not allow an informed, unfettered discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be free or NOT ? Would they publish the debate we had in this forum? Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. However, a couple of years back a similar debate from AssamNet was published in Assam Tribune, if I remember correct. Have you tried sending an article /letter to Assam Press? There have been many instances when you have cited articles from Assam/Indian press in support of your view. So is it that only those journalists who favor your view are true journalist? Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those who debates for Assam being a part of India ? Now let us turn to your ideal and functioning democary . Try this send a letter to your local newspaper explaining Why St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will support a war against USA if it is not freed. if you need to find a reason I can help you let us see how your functioning democracy and its press treats you. *** Helping educate people like yourselves, although not always successfully . Actually . not a single case of success not much of accomplishment :) In this context, the 'nwdhown gaa dhouaali, nakhawn bhaat khuali, nigilw ki koro kor' factor plays out quite often :-). Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when you try avoiding difficult questions. --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think that ULFA (or Anyone else) should deny anybodys right to host Indian Flag ? *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. To expect otherwise would be a self imposed delusion. Therefore the prudent thing to do will be to find ways to end the conflict. And it is the press' role to
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Good points, C'da. But I will have to respond later (probably later this evening). Till then --Ram On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: At 11:35 AM -0600 8/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? No, you did not, but the implications are strong. *** Can you explain HOW you read that in my post? You attended St. Xaviers' College and thus don't qualify to invoke the 'that damned English language' defense :-). How do you infer that I was telling Thakuria that his flag waving pursuit is wrong? I am pretty straightforward about what I want to say. I don't beat around the bush like a lot of other netters do. If I had deemed it WRONG I would have said so, without hesitation, because over the decades I have found that subtlety of language is not a desi-strength. One needs to be blunt for it to register. And that is why I take the trouble to explain everything in so many words, like now :-). But I must say this: YOU are belaboring the point, because you know that you don't have a leg to stand on to challenge what I wrote. This from your other post: What I have NO respect for is when flagwaving or absence thereof is used as a yardstick to judge somebody's patriotism. Now, what could be wrong with that? Count on my support here. But how did you deduce that Thakuria others are* NOT patriotic*, and that they just wave flags - and hence, by inference, not really 'intellectuals' (HG Wells et al!)? You are mixing up different contexts. Stay to the subject if you have any respect for objectivity. I posted the Flagwaving Blues to explain my views about others' falg-waving, because you charged me with telling Thakuria that it is wrong. What is that role, C'da? Why can't the media cover a broad spectrum - some supportive of your cause, while others not? *** Again let us remain in context. Did I somehow imply that the Press need not perform other functions ? While it is your prerogative to jump to conclusions of your liking, to air the figments of your imaginations in this fashion has its consequences. And I hope you know what they are :-). For all the critisism of Desi Democracy, the media in India is pretty free. *** And look how they are using that freedom. What they are CONTRIBUTING . Or for that matter take a look at your own judgement in what makes for useful or constructive contributions from the press when you posted that infantile Op-Ed piece from the sentinel. Good thing Kamal wrote in judgement of the piece instead of me. Maybe there should be a Chinese style Democracy - then everything would straighten out, and people will soon be singing praises of India. *** Come on Ram. You can do whole lot better than that. Try it! I think, C'da you might want to take off those rose-colored glasses *** Sorry Ram. They are my original eyes that can see right thru the obfuscations and spin. And they shall remain where they are :-). *Finally, why don't you tell us WHAT exactly is it that troubled you so about what I suggested to Thakuria for being useful and constructive for Assam in this context?* * * * * c-da I think they are. I have often enjoyed DN B's columns. I think of him as one of Assam's intellectuals. I would not doubt his patriotism for Assam or India. The fact that these intellectuals are sending out a mass appeal to all the people in Assam, and urging them NOT to be afraid and cowed-down and celebrate with the rest of the Nation, is very laudable. Because that is the role of the press in a democracy. What is that role, C'da? Why can't the media cover a broad spectrum - some supportive of your cause, while others not? Are those that support your views the ONLY ones on the right track? Are they the only ones that are patriotic, true upholders of genuine jouranlism etc etc? For all the critisism of Desi Democracy, the media in India is pretty free. That is why even near anti-national views are tolerated, and are free to publish almost anything. Maybe there should be a Chinese style Democracy - then everything would straighten out, and people will soon be singing praises of India.:) I think, C'da you might want to take off those rose-colored glasses :):) --Ram Further, On 8/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not say anything is WRONG with flag waving, did I Ram? However most intellectually able people do not hold it in high esteem. Anyone can do it. Just like wearing ones patriotism on one's shirtsleeves. That is why thoughtful people also do not give any importance to such demonstration, in fact some very well thought of people have called the pursuit the* 'first resort of a scoundrel*' or* 'the last refuge of a scoundrel'.* I merely explained that it is meaningless , without anything constructive in it, as
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
--- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. *** That is because you consider those who do not subscribe to ULFA's views are the true representatives of Assam. That maybe so. But why don't those who sport that halo, hold a referendum and decide, once and for all, who the true reps. of Assam are? ULFA has publicly agreed to accept the verdict of the people. During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? That would be a way to bring the conflict to an end. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** I don't have any obligations to GoI. My obligations are to the people of Assam, their rights and their well-being. Hmmm and what well being do you see in kiiling the children of Dhemaji or school teacher or numerous other Assamese (I am excluding Biharis here) who have been killed. What well being do you see in dictating people Not to host Indian Flag. I also do not come from the ranks of those the who laughably sport the halo of being 'fair and-blanced' :-). We never thought you to be fair and balanced :) Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. *** I did not ask you to speak for them. Just your opinion of whether they should is what I was hoping to hear. So is it that only those journalists who favor your view are true journalist? *** Is that something I said or implied? Or is that 'damned English language' problem again :-)? Then why come down so heavily on Nava Thakuria, DN Bezbarua et al. Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those who debates for Assam being a part of India ? *** If your cohorts do, or you do, I will surely attempt to get the approval of mine. But ULFA has publicly said, many times, that they would accept the verdict of a referendum. The need for a debate prior to such a referendum is implicit. Well, you should definitely try to get approval of your cohorts who threatened a couple of journalists just a few weeks back .. I do not think my cohorts ever threatened any one. send a letter to your local newspaper explaining Why St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will support a war against USA if it is not freed. *** That would be a very dumb thing to do, and the analogy could not be more absurd. St. Louis is not demanding to be free of the USA, Assam is not demanding to be free of India... it is CM and ULFA who is demanding it. On a similar analogy, CM can surely demand St Louis to be free from US . much less waging a quarter century old insurgency. But if it does been, I will certainly comply with your request. All insurgency start at some point by some people. So you can surely start one (or attempt to start one) now and see how your funtional democracy and press reacts. This will also give us an opportunity to learn how GOI should have tackled ULFA when it first started this insurgency. Actually . not a single case of success not much of accomplishment :) *** You sure know how to hurt a guy. Taking it as a complement :) Same on the other side is true ... particulrly when you try avoiding difficult question *** I think you are toiling under an Oxomiya bhaxa problem too :-). Avoiding difficult questions, evasiveness, is not analogous to refusing to admit what stares one in the face. Uh I do not have any Oxomiya Bhaxa problem. Why I equated it is because by avoiding such unpleasant questions you do just the same --- refuse to admit what stares one in the face At 11:46 AM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: *** ULFA is in an armed conflict with India. It is a war . In wars such fundamental rights as speech or freedom of expression are some of the most early and consistent victims, across the world. I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** Now can you tell us why the press in Assam would not allow an informed, unfettered discussion/debate about why Assam ought to be free or NOT ? Would they publish the debate we had in this forum? Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. However, a couple of years back a similar debate from AssamNet was published in Assam Tribune, if I remember correct. Have you tried
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
Just so this discussion does not relapse into the same old repetition of your or my positions, I will stop at this post. The point is not about MY views or Thakuria's or DN Bezbaruah's. Assam journalists have been crying endlessly about a number of issues, like ULFA, B'deshis, corruption and the like. However they have utterly failed in their journalistic duties in investigating, analyzing and educating the public about the causes of these problems or how they can be resolved and how the people can become a part of the solution . Nor have they offered any achievable and sustainable solutions to what they cry about, that I am aware of. Wishful thinking, or calling names, or sermonizing and lecturing those they disagree with do not qualify as such. Nor does symbolic flag-waving, appeals to the people and so forth. All that does is promote or publicize their own piety, something that does not in any way help Assam in its woes. As responsible and effective journalists, a key element of a functioning democracy ( unlike desi-demokrasy that is), they owe it to their readers, to seek out those who have the ability to offer such achievable solutions and air them, if they cannot offer them themselves. The least they can do. That in essence was what I wrote to Thakuria. If you believe that was a bad or destructive set of suggestions, you ought to point out that , explaining why. Or if you have better ideas you ought to present those. That will be meaningful. But to go on as you have, with absurd demands and assertions like ---During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? merely underscores your clueless disposition. And if you are wondering why it is clueless, try reconciling that with yours and Assam journalists' laments about the B'deshi immigration issue and why the voters don't care about it as proven by their election and re-election of those who would not even acknowledge it as a problem, much less do anything about it. And when you do, enlighten us about it. At 1:04 PM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. *** That is because you consider those who do not subscribe to ULFA's views are the true representatives of Assam. That maybe so. But why don't those who sport that halo, hold a referendum and decide, once and for all, who the true reps. of Assam are? ULFA has publicly agreed to accept the verdict of the people. During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? That would be a way to bring the conflict to an end. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** I don't have any obligations to GoI. My obligations are to the people of Assam, their rights and their well-being. Hmmm and what well being do you see in kiiling the children of Dhemaji or school teacher or numerous other Assamese (I am excluding Biharis here) who have been killed. What well being do you see in dictating people Not to host Indian Flag. I also do not come from the ranks of those the who laughably sport the halo of being 'fair and-blanced' :-). We never thought you to be fair and balanced :) Whether they will publish this debate or not is something which they can answer. *** I did not ask you to speak for them. Just your opinion of whether they should is what I was hoping to hear. So is it that only those journalists who favor your view are true journalist? *** Is that something I said or implied? Or is that 'damned English language' problem again :-)? Then why come down so heavily on Nava Thakuria, DN Bezbarua et al. Even if the Assam Press initiates a debate do you guarantee that your cohorts will not threaten those who debates for Assam being a part of India ? *** If your cohorts do, or you do, I will surely attempt to get the approval of mine. But ULFA has publicly said, many times, that they would accept the verdict of a referendum. The need for a debate prior to such a referendum is implicit. Well, you should definitely try to get approval of your cohorts who threatened a couple of journalists just a few weeks back .. I do not think my cohorts ever threatened any one. send a letter to your local newspaper explaining Why St Louis should be Free from USA and that you will support a war against USA if it is not freed. *** That would be a very dumb thing to do, and the
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly
Well, yes Mahanta da, I am still at loss. Please explain to me and to others like Ramda, more explicitly why you try to make the Assamese Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti BDesh stance as an anti Muslim one. Decrying others of being unnecessarily sensitive to lungi menace and yourself garbing a selectively broadminded image-this is quite beguiling!! Or is there a hidden motive and may be you also have the same level of jingoism you accuse your fellow Assamese Hindus of harbouring, which for the time being may be you have kept in suspended animation for some technical reasons. By the way, a clarification on why I used the term Assamese Hindus (at which you jumped to emphasize that the usage of that term itself exposed every thing-I dont know what you meant) 1) I believe amongst the Assamese speakers-they (Hindus) are still in majority in Assam. Or do you think otherwise? 2) They are the more vocal on this issue infiltration by BDeshis 3) This feeling of paranoia is present amongst Assamese speaking Muslim also. But their protestations are not that loud as their Hindu counterparts as they are less in number, many come from more disadvantaged back ground. Many of those who are economically well off, educated, learned and city bred (say from Lakhtokiya of Guwahati), same religious affiliations and post 9/11 more cohesive feeling make it some what difficult for them to be as vocal as their Hindu counterparts. Most of the educated Assamese Hindus understand this dilemma and should not have qualms about it. So I hope it is now clear why I used the term Assamese Hindus? CM said *Are only 'Assamese Hindus' burdened by illegal immigrants? Is Assam the home of B'deshi despising Hindus only? And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them? And is it because of: The offenders' name? The color of their skin? Their cuisine? The language they speak? The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt? The unkind cuts the male of their species live with? The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of? The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity? The criminal activities they spread in society? The corruption they promote by bribery of public officials? The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth? Inundate the free public health-care system? Flood the public school system with children of the non-producing, lowering the quality of education? Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership? Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise? Or is it because of their religious persuasion?* Your numerous clues did not help me much. If the last line was your punch line it is again the same hackneyed manifestation of your covert agenda. As I told you many times before-it is not the religion alone. It is the religion combined with language combined with an alien culture that has been causing the discomfort. If there are millions of khukri wielding Saulor phut luwa Daajus and Kaanchas also, the reaction of the local populace would have been similar. So I am still at dark about your attempts. Please explain more explicitly and clearly unlike those numerous inconclusive mails where you end by saying something like I will explain later if you want or by adopting those avoiding techniques saying that I will explain if you first answer this question. Come on Mahanta da enlighten us on the eve of 60th Independence Day of India. Regards Chittaranjan Pathak - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] BJP should hire this ARCHITECT--to survive-- or maybe Sonia should
CARL ROVE Architect To this day, loyalists to McCain blame Rove for mounting a whispering campaign against the senator during the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, while allies of former Democratic senator Max Cleland (Ga.) accuse Rove of engineering the tactics against the wounded Vietnam veteran that cost him his 2004 reelection bid. Rove, a self-made intellectual who never graduated from college, came to power convinced that Republicans could remake government in a fashion that would secure conservative prevalence for years to come. The realignment Rove envisioned would have returned ownership to individuals (in the form of personal retirement savings accounts and health-care plans) and in so doing lure new types of voters, in particular Hispanics and African Americans, to the party. But after easing Bush into a compassionate conservative persona that appealed to the Texas electorate while he was governor and to the political center in the 2000 presidential election, Rove shifted to focus on turning out the conservative base -- a strategy that worked for Republicans for a short time but eventually cost the party the chance to expand. Even when he returns to Texas, Rove said, he expects to be under attack for his role in advising Bush. I realize that some of the Democrats are Captain Ahab and I'm the great white whale, he said. I noticed the other day some Democratic staffers were quoted calling me the big fish. Well, I'm Moby-Dick and they're after me. Democrats welcomed Rove's resignation and vowed to continue probing his involvement in the firings of U.S. attorneys, political briefings conducted at various agencies and the use of Republican National Committee e-mail accounts by White House officials. The list of senior White House and Justice Department officials who have resigned during the course of these congressional investigations continues to grow, and today Mr. Rove added his name to that list, said Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.). Other Democrats blasted Rove as an apostle of division. Karl Rove was an architect of a political strategy that has left the country more divided, the special interests more powerful and the American people more shut out from their government than any time in memory, said Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.). Former senator John Edwards (N.C.) was more succinct: Goodbye, good riddance. _ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-in___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Amazing Indian student migration
Walid-da, So in bliss to hear from you - esp. the detailed account and reminisces of your life in the early days - and far removed it is from the following generations. I still wonder how one would be able to smell a rose before buying it online in the days to come. Umesh W.Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Umesh, Thanks for sharing your experience with us. It seems students in the present day America get opportunities to maintain a car worth US$ 3.500/- and live a life of luxury. The next generation which will come to study in USA would have a different life. You mention that when you took your first flight Google earth was not there. I am sure the generation will certainly have a different set of software. May be they will be able to smell the fragrance of the flower before they place an order. It is being experimented now. Myself, I belong to a different generation. In the autumn of my life I have learnt to look to life from a different angle. I sailed from Bombay (nay Mumbai) to Genoa. It took 16 days. In my childhood not all houses had electricity. I grew up without radios, refrigerators, electrical fans, and air conditioners, running water or flush toilets. Also in those days, unknown to us were products like contact lenses, copying and fax machines, ballpoints, gas cylinders etc. At Jorhat, in my early schooldays, at dawn before the world woke up, a group of Harijan men and women employed by the municipality started their work by collecting night soil. They went from house to house to collect human excreta in a large tin then carry on the same to deposit it in a big tank, which was then pulled away by a tractor. Some of us would not like to remember that such professions existed in a free country like India. In those days we did not hear about CD, DVD, MP3, video, PIN, magnetrons, artificial kidneys, GSM, word processing, computers, Internet, e-mail, ATM, jet engines, satellites or hippies and yuppies. We never heard of mid-life crisis or the burnout syndrome or the LAT (living apart together) relation. We knew only about 33 RPM gramophone records of His Masters Voice. The dentist of my childhood used a foot driven machine to drill a tooth. In our young days when something happened in the town the main means of mass communication was a rickshaw fitted with a loudspeaker announcing the coming event, which was most of the time about screening of a new film. We may be the last generation who thought that one needs a man to have a baby. Artificial insemination and test tube babies were unheard of. No wonder that there is a generation gap. In spit of lacking all the modern amenities we went further exploring new frontiers. But we have survived. The same is the case with your generation. I am sure the generation before us - when they went abroad for their studies in 1920 had completely different type of experience. It is just how you look to life and what you make out of it. Wahid da Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens umesh sharma Verzonden: dinsdag 14 augustus 2007 6:34 Aan: assam@assamnet.org Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Amazing Indian student migration I heard of genius Assamese now 38 yearold now going to become President of SAP India - who initially went to Delhu Univ to to bachelors in Science in 1987 and there heard of SAT (US college entrannce exam) and worked hard and got an amazing 1580 out of max 1600 (that was pre-internet) and landed a full scholarship to MIT. Later went to Harvard Business School and then on to many ventures - and finally to SAP. At 38 he would be the top guy to head Indian venture and likely to come to US and get further growth in US I heard of GRE/GMAT only after going to Delhi. Even in 2002 when I wanted to by a GRE prep book there was none in the top bookstores in my hometown -- I prepared without one - relying on internet and www.grebible.com There were indeed a few gys from my hometown who had gone to US for higher studies - but none went straight from my hometown itself. I think it is merely a big city phenomena and not surprisingly some big city students look down on small city mentality guys -ofcourse a few of them from metros still don't eat and drink and lead amorous life like theire more modern US counterparts . Umesh umesh sharma wrote: Hi, Some might be interested in it --esp if they are not from Indian metros. I went with my roommate to pick up 3 Indian students from Dulles Intl Airport in his old $3500 car purchased recently.- all came in same flight Qatar Airways --all from Mumbai. About 1,000 students from Delhi about 2,000 from Mumbai come to US each year to study - mostly masters in engineering etc -- mostly paid from own pocket -- perhaps higher real estate prices helps finance an education beyond the reach of most India (though in smaller govt run colleges tuition is less ($28,000 per master's dgeree and earn enough to pay for stay mostly ) and some get
Re: [Assam] More on Minneapolis Collapse; Big Dig project
C-da, My suggestion is that please find sometime to guide students of architecture in India and US as a guest faculty atleast -sharing your world of experience after you graduation in 1969 from Architecture dept of IIT Kharagpur (where a student of mine is now sudying) . About Boston's failed Big Dig undersea-tunnel project (world's largest construction project) leading to Logan AIrport from Boston city -- which you explained so clearly here- I had never known its faults with even Harvard's and MIT's archi. schools around ( I went thru the tunnel only once in a shared taxi --while coming to DC for the first time with Harvard classmates in Nov 2004 for a edu. seminar of CIES ) You do have a knack of explaining things - tough teaching needs more patience than other activities. Best wishes. Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C-da, This piece by you seemed educative to a lay person like me (who has plenty of structural/civil engineers and architects make egregious blunders - the building of Jaipur School has somewhat rhombus shape rather than original rectangular shape and even shifted the foundations a bit off - leading to renewed repairs and buttressing -- that under the overseeing of top architects and engineers in the city -atleast most people thought so) Umesh *** Hi K: C'da your comments on this will be highly appreciated --- first because it was designed by some Very Bright and Very Creative American Engineer whose Math foundation is very strong (unlike some Desi idiot) *** I was hoping to be able to answer your question intelligently. But the premise of your questions left me completely bewildered. Did *I* make those assertions about the qualifications or even implied them about who might have designed the bridge, or how good they were in math? How do you know who designed it? What if it was designed by some very creative East Pakistani structural engineer trained at BE college, like Fazlur Khan, who developed the structural system for the Sears Towers? What then? I thought you are an engineer. But from the comments you make and the questions you ask, I must have been wrong. Anyway, a bridge's integrity is not the function of just its design alone. The math skills of the designer hardly enter the equation. Most structural elements fail not because of design, but for a variety of other factors, most notably due to poor construction practices , which is a result of incompetent management, human failures, sometimes corruption--as in India, and sometimes just because of the laws of probability playing out: if something could go wrong, it would, sooner or later. The Boston Tunnel concrete panel failures were determined to be a result of using quick-setting epoxy bolts, instead of the specified standard setting epoxy, which develop their full strength slowly, over about 48 hours, but remain strong thereafter. On the other hand the quick setting epoxy develops strength within minutes, but do not retain it over time. Investigators found, that the right material was ordered by the installers, but was furnished the wrong product by the supplier . It appears as though someone in the shipping warehouse packed the wrong stuff. Here it is a case of a human failure, that no amount engineering acumen or management expertise could have prevented. The Minneapolis failure seems to have been precipitated by huge amounts of dead weight piled on the bridge deck from rock sent for the repairs. This is a management failure. Whoever was overseeing the logistics of the material delivery either did not have any knowledge of structures and load bearing capacity of a structure or was asleep at the wheel. There could be other factors: Such as non-inclusion of the redundancy principle of design. This was a political issue, of managing the cost and funding. Or defective welding. Fifty years back welding technology was not as sophisticated as it is today. Today we have ultrasonic testing done, before welded structural members of critical components. In my last major project, I had to reject a number of large span bowstring trusses, which were shop welded, but installed without ultrasonic testing. The installers installed the trusses, but when asked for certificates of testing, could not produce them. On site testing showed that a number of joints were unacceptable. The result was a very expensive on site correction of the joints that cost the steel fabricators big time. By the end of the job, the fabricator was going out of business. Apparently it had other problems elsewhere as well. They got our job, because they were the lowest bidders, and not necessarily because they were also good fabricators. The public bidding requirements in this case was a contributing factor-- by allowing a fabricator of questionable skills or management abilities to get the work. The
[Assam] Posoova: Assamese success story -Ranjan Das MIT+ Harvard = SAP
http://www.posoowa.org/2004/06/25/c-nes-fellowship/ I heard that he learned of SAT exam only after coming to Delhi Univ in 1987 after high school and got 1580 out of 1600 in it and got full scholarship to MIT and later MBA from Harvard Business Schooland onwards to SAP as a President now at age 38. Thats quite something even though few can hope to repeat that performance. Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] AN APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE OF ASSAM
C'da, I think I will respond to this post. It kinda explains what exactly you meant. Moreover, I am having a difficulty in keeping track of who said what, and all the cut paste:) So here goes, I will stop at this post. I agree, we seem to be rehashing everything:) Assam journalists have been crying endlessly about a number of issues, like ULFA, B'deshis, corruption and the like. Well, that is obviously what they seem to be interested in. However they have utterly failed in their journalistic duties in investigating, analyzing and educating the public about the causes of these problems Who sets these standards of journalism? If they followed your advice and found the GOI/GOA the main reason for all the violence, would that make it better? Nor have they offered any achievable and sustainable solutions to what they cry about, that I am aware of. Actually, I have read numerous times the Sentinel/AT calling for peace talks etc. Now, whether they are deemed achievable or sustainable is really in the eye of the beholder. I really don't see anybody being able to convince anyone. Basically, no one sees eye to eye. Nor does symbolic flag-waving, appeals to the people and so forth. All that does is promote or publicize their own piety, something that does not in any way help Assam in its woes. True, but who has been doing this? I can guess, but then, I would have to come up with proof - which I can't pin down at the moment:) --Ram __ On 8/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just so this discussion does not relapse into the same old repetition of your or my positions, I will stop at this post. The point is not about MY views or Thakuria's or DN Bezbaruah's. Assam journalists have been crying endlessly about a number of issues, like ULFA, B'deshis, corruption and the like. However they have utterly failed in their journalistic duties in investigating, analyzing and educating the public about the causes of these problems or how they can be resolved and how the people can become a part of the solution . Nor have they offered any achievable and sustainable solutions to what they cry about, that I am aware of. Wishful thinking, or calling names, or sermonizing and lecturing those they disagree with do not qualify as such. Nor does symbolic flag-waving, appeals to the people and so forth. All that does is promote or publicize their own piety, something that does not in any way help Assam in its woes. As responsible and effective journalists, a key element of a functioning democracy ( unlike desi-demokrasy that is), they owe it to their readers, to seek out those who have the ability to offer such achievable solutions and air them, if they cannot offer them themselves. The least they can do. That in essence was what I wrote to Thakuria. If you believe that was a bad or destructive set of suggestions, you ought to point out that , explaining why. Or if you have better ideas you ought to present those. That will be meaningful. But to go on as you have, with absurd demands and assertions like ---During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? merely underscores your clueless disposition. And if you are wondering why it is clueless, try reconciling that with yours and Assam journalists' laments about the B'deshi immigration issue and why the voters don't care about it as proven by their election and re-election of those who would not even acknowledge it as a problem, much less do anything about it. And when you do, enlighten us about it. At 1:04 PM -0700 8/14/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote: --- Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand. However it looks more like ULFA is in armed conflict against people of Assam rather then India. *** That is because you consider those who do not subscribe to ULFA's views are the true representatives of Assam. That maybe so. But why don't those who sport that halo, hold a referendum and decide, once and for all, who the true reps. of Assam are? ULFA has publicly agreed to accept the verdict of the people. During last couple of elections Assam has witnessed at least 65% or more vote casting. This essentially means that at least 65% of Assam's people believe in Indian Constitution. What other verdict you want ?? That would be a way to bring the conflict to an end. And BTW, if you are guarding ULFA on pretext of war, why not apply the same yardstick when it comes to GOI??? *** I don't have any obligations to GoI. My obligations are to the people of Assam, their rights and their well-being. Hmmm and what well being do you see in kiiling the children of Dhemaji or school teacher or numerous other Assamese (I am excluding Biharis
Re: [Assam] Harvard: NRAs/Desis (Diaspora) and Software Industry
So its time that NRAs start taking business aspect of the interaction between
NRAs more seriously to benefit themselves individually and as a group-- the
artcile reinforces what many already know -- strength in numbers.
Umesh
mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
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Document:http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/08-003.pdf
Digest all --if you have the stomach
Do not give up as soon as you see Complex-looking Statistical Formulas. Quite
rudimentary nreally.
Now compare Tarun's Junket to USA/UK and( with Assam CII) his challenge to
NRA's Come and Invest
Come up with simple Essayssomething the Assamese Intellectuals will
understand and take heart from.
Today we have Assam Bandh declared both by Biharis being hacked
And by the Videshi Nagoriks being Rounded up by AASU+BJP+VHP+RSS+AssamPublic
Works!!!--after being kicked out of Arunachal- which is a Biding Time
picture after China's refusal of a visa to its IAS.
And tomorrow we have 60 years of Mera Bharat Mahaan.
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