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[Assam] From ToI?

2011-02-11 Thread Chan Mahanta

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/There-is-governance-and-ethical-deficit-admits-Chidambaram/articleshow/7479866.cms

There is governance and ethical deficit, admits Chidambaram, TNN, Feb 12,
2011, 04.17am IST, Article, Comments (12), Tags:Wall Street Journal|P
Chidambaram|Manmohan Singh, NEW DELHI:

There is a governance and ethical deficit that the Manmohan Singh government
needs to take serious note of, home minister P Chidambaram has said while
referring to concerns raised recently by business and industry leaders. , In an
interview with the Wall Street Journal, the home minister said, I think we
should take serious note of the concerns expressed by captains of industry and
business. There is indeed a governance deficit in some areas and perhaps there
is also an ethical deficit. , Chidambaram underlined that the malaise is not
unique to the UPA coalition. But his candid remarks come in the backdrop of the
government's bid to contain the negative political fallout of scams ranging
from the Commonwealth Games fiddle to telecom graft cases. , In mid-January,
industrialists and former judges wrote an open letter to all political
leaders speaking of widespread governance deficit in almost every sphere of
national life. The home minister seemed to be taking a cue from the letter. ,
We have from time to time tried to put in systems to meet the challenges of
these deficits. But it is obvious the systems put in place are not entirely
adequate and therefore any suggestion to improve the systems should be taken
into account seriously, he was quoted as saying to WSJ by PTI., Read more:
There is governance and ethical deficit, admits Chidambaram - The Times of
India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/There-is-governance-and-ethical-deficit-admits-Chidambaram/articleshow/7479866.cms#ixzz1Di4a7sKS

We have from time to time tried to put in systems to meet the challenges of
these deficits. But it is obvious the systems put in place are not entirely
adequate and therefore any suggestion to improve the systems should be taken
into account seriously,

*** Really? And pray, why so?

I think we should take serious note of the concerns expressed by captains of
industry and business.

*** I see !

But decades of entreaties from VOTERS, ordinary people, did not really matter,
did it? Long live Desi-demokrasy!
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Re: [Assam] From ToI?

2011-02-11 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

Perhaps the correction needs start with Chidambaram himself?

Heard that he is one of the most corrupt with blessings from Karunanidhi et el.

Etia mur Madraazot juwa baat bondho hol neki? :)











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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/There-is-governance-and-ethical-deficit-admits-Chidambaram/articleshow/7479866.cms
 
 
 There is governance and ethical deficit,  admits Chidambaram, TNN,  Feb 12,  
2011,  04.17am IST, Article, Comments (12), Tags:Wall Street Journal|P 
Chidambaram|Manmohan Singh, NEW DELHI: 
 
 There is a governance and ethical deficit that the Manmohan Singh government 
needs to take serious note of,  home minister P Chidambaram has said while 
referring to concerns raised recently by business and industry leaders. , In an 
interview with the Wall Street Journal,  the home minister said,  I think we 
should take serious note of the concerns expressed by captains of industry and 
business. There is indeed a governance deficit in some areas and perhaps there 
is also an ethical deficit. , Chidambaram underlined that the malaise is not 
unique to the UPA coalition. But his candid remarks come in the backdrop of the 
government's bid to contain the negative political fallout of scams ranging 
from the Commonwealth Games fiddle to telecom graft cases. , In mid-January,  
industrialists and former judges wrote an open letter to all political 
leaders speaking of widespread governance deficit in almost every sphere of 
national life. The home minister seemed to be taking a cue from the letter. , 
We have from time to time tried to put in systems to meet the challenges of 
these deficits. But it is obvious the systems put in place are not entirely 
adequate and therefore any suggestion to improve the systems should be taken 
into account seriously, he was quoted as saying to WSJ by PTI., Read more: 
There is governance and ethical deficit,  admits Chidambaram - The Times of 
India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/There-is-governance-and-ethical-deficit-admits-Chidambaram/articleshow/7479866.cms#ixzz1Di4a7sKS
 
 
 
 We have from time to time tried to put in systems to meet the challenges of 
 these deficits. But it is obvious the systems put in place are not entirely 
 adequate and therefore any suggestion to improve the systems should be taken 
 into account seriously, 
 
 
 *** Really?  And pray, why so? 
 
 I think we should take serious note of the concerns expressed by captains of 
 industry and business.
 
 
 *** I see ! 
 
 But decades of entreaties from VOTERS, ordinary people, did not really matter, 
did it? Long live Desi-demokrasy!
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[Assam] From ToI

2010-12-02 Thread Chan Mahanta

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Bangalore-tops-Indias-bribery-chart-/articleshow/7032798.cms


*** But I thought B'lore is the shining Indian city on the Hill. What went 
wrong?
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[Assam] From ToI -- A word on the Brown Man's Burden

2010-09-25 Thread Chan Mahanta

Not to pile on desi-despondenvy here, but I think Surendran has  it right!
:-)
cm


http://author.toiblogs.com/India-Circus/entry/brown-man-s-burdenBrown man's 
burdenCP Surendran 
25 September 2010, 04:23 AM IST


CGF chief Michael Fennell likes his toilet clean. The Organising Committee 
spokesperson Lalit Bhanot doesn't mind a dirty one. Fennel is British and 
white. Bhanot is Indian and brown. Their toilets reflect their skin colours. 
The Delhi Games is probably one of the most racist ever: it's two civilizations 
looking at shit. Their visions differ drastically.

Hygiene, Bhanot said, Is a matter of perception in cleanliness. And the 
context was Fennel finding the Delhi Games Village apartments and toilets 
unusable for international athletes.

No one specifically asked the participating black countries like the Caribbean 
states or Lesotho the complexion of their toilet preference. The chances are 
that they would have smiled at Bhanot in understanding. The poor across the 
world know well what it takes to keep a toilet bowl white and clean, provided 
of course that they have one.

More than half the Indian population doesn't. According to a recent UN survey, 
roughly 366 million people had access to improved sanitation. That's less than 
our mobile penetration: more than 545 million cell phones are now connected to 
service in India's emerging economy. Clearly, we prefer telephones to toilets, 
perhaps because we are a garrulous people.

Bhanot is right. As a race, Indians don't mind co-existing with crap. Our 
tolerance level for rubbish is high compared to the West. As a child in 
Trivandrum, this writer used to pick his way to school and back through a 
stretch of road which was used as an open toilet by hundreds of Dravidians,  
who might still be at it with slightly altered physiognomies, and with the 
singular difference that they might be now talking into a cell. These are after 
all days of multitasking.

It's no different in the North or West. In Delhi city, you just need to step 
out into an area like Okhla to find hourly testimonies to Bhanot's law. In 
Bombay, where this writer used to work for long, thousands, line the roads and 
railway tracks morning and evening to relieve themselves, chin up and eyes 
defiant.

Indeed, when was the last time an Indian protested against the lack of toilets 
in a country that can find Rs 27,000 crores—so, material resources are not the 
problem—for collapsible stadiums and marmoreal sidewalks? Clearly, we no longer 
care. We have been so sanitized that we are no longer troubled by how close we 
are to garbage and waste in public spaces.

Or consider the 9000 passenger trains of the Indian Railways –Lead partner of 
Delhi Games--carrying over 2 million passengers a day. What are these but 
holes on wheels into which people crap at over 100 km per hour across the 
length and breadth of the country, manically distributing the suspect largess?

Hygiene is not always a question of scatology. It could be about dead bodies as 
well. The Vedic Indian considers the Ganges holy, and allows half burnt corpses 
to drift in the river, in transit to heaven. Our idea of the sublime itself is 
ridiculous.

Or consider the ubiquitous office tea-boy who brings you and your friends chai, 
three of his snot-laced fingers dipping deep into the glasses. Or the open 
sewers. Or the dhobi sneezing into the laundered linen and bringing it back, 
all neatly folded? The list is endless.

Bhanot is right about the cultural relativity of cleanliness. The fact is that 
the whites are a cleaner race, and their idea of sanitation as a system 
institutionally superior.

We may resort to the argument that it is the pressure of urbanisation that is 
at the heart of the matter. But nothing quite explains why we have more mobiles 
than toilets. Clearly, it's not so much a question of resources as wrong 
prioritization both at the institutional and individual levels.

The Delhi Games is a lesson in basics. The dirty rooms of the Games Village, 
the stained beds, and the filthy toilets could be partly explained by rogue 
dogs; or by vandal construction workers.

The first is a security breach. The other raises the question: why were the 
workers not given adequate toilets or shower rooms on site?

The Games authorities, like the middleclass that now finds itself aggrieved at 
the national shame, never spared a moment to think: where do workers crap? Why, 
they will manage! There's always the Yamuna! And there was at one point more 
than 400,000 labourers on CWG sites. Neither the Organisation Committee nor 
Sheila Dikshit gave a shit to the workers' dignity. And look what they got in 
return: the brown man's toilet.
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[Assam] From ToI - About Prosperous and Peaceful Gujarat

2010-08-29 Thread Chan Mahanta


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/6456957.cms

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Re: [Assam] From ToI - About Prosperous and Peaceful Gujarat

2010-08-29 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani


Is the title of the article different?








 

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Re: [Assam] From ToI - About Prosperous and Peaceful Gujarat

2010-08-29 Thread Chan Mahanta


Does it matter  :-) ?



On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:



Is the title of the article different?











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Re: [Assam] From ToI - About Prosperous and Peaceful Gujarat

2010-08-29 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

No, it doesn't, I guess. I was just thinking if there was a 'thattar xur'. In 
there. :)
Crime or corruption does not necessarily have a venue, does it?
..we're in between movies, back to back, doing worse than those college 
days...next on the list is Eat Pray Love. Will send the reviews soon. :)

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Does it matter  :-) ?



On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:


 Is the title of the article different?










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Re: [Assam] From ToI - About Prosperous and Peaceful Gujarat

2010-08-29 Thread Chan Mahanta

It is NOt the crime, but what society does, thru its institutions,  
also called government, about it, that makes the difference.
Crime is everywhere, how a nation deals with it, or not, is the  
difference.




On Aug 29, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

No, it doesn't, I guess. I was just thinking if there was a 'thattar  
xur'. In there. :)

Crime or corruption does not necessarily have a venue, does it?
..we're in between movies, back to back, doing worse than those  
college days...next on the list is Eat Pray Love. Will send the  
reviews soon. :)


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Does it matter  :-) ?



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Is the title of the article different?











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Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-17 Thread Dhruba Jyoti Deka

I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After
being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was
thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to save
her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from the
tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his place,
he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his place, he
inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's movie Kung
was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's most popular
martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu.

Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun?

You must have learn something after being robbed.

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700
From: dilipd...@yahoo.com
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green
panel

More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even in a
democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for
civilians in USA.
Are you an NRA member?
I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

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Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ?

But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their
DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the
light
of day, much less a fair and timely resolution?

Or is that too complicated?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian
must
have a gun to make a point?

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Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green
panel

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to
defend

your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent
to
guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does
notice,

don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom
it. I

wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference
for

the people after all.

Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India
Business - Business - The Times of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX
X

NEW DELHI:
Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining
at
Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis
of
false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,
Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government
colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the
findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday
recommended

that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of
the

Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred
indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project
brings
out

the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental
protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed
sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of
Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence
alienated

tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry
panel

signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled
their way onto the governance agenda, forcing the authorities to take
action
against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena
committee

report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in
Orissa,

comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile,
heavy-investment projects, including the Posco Integrated Steel project in
Orissa, which, at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct
investment in India, the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs
10,000

crore

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-17 Thread Chan Mahanta

You are taking the issue too literally Dhruba.

The point should have been the totally incomparable examples, held up to be
similar by Dilip. The scale, the circumstances are impossibly different. One
does not even come close to the other.

Dilip got robbed in Paris, while vacationing. Did he lose his house? His
employment, his livelihood? Does this continue to happen to him, unabated?

The people in Orissa (?) who lost their land and their livelihoods, never
received compensation ( just came to light , 23 yrs. later, but no guarantee of
yet receiving any). Having had no relief from the institutions of their state
that some continue to wave as 'democratic' , so must be benevolent, just,
timely and all things holy, they took to arms, placing their lives on the line.

Now compare the two: Dilip's hardships in his Parisian vacation, and
Dantewada's indigenous people who lived off their land from time immemorial,
losinit to corporate greed of Vedanta.

Dilip was right about not having purchased a gun to defend his property. That
is because he HAS his government provide that service. If someone attempted to
take a piece of his property , he can go to to the court, and he could get a
decision in his life-time, actually much shorter, probably within a year.

Compare that to the 23 years it took in Dantewada (?) just to be noticed by the
high-court, finally. Did they get help from the police? From civil
authorities? Heck NO!

So do the two compare? Should Dilip have even attempted that to draw the
conclusion he did?

Does it look nice :-)?

You know the answer.

On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote:

I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After
being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was
thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to save
her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from the
tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his
place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his
place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's
movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's most
popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu.

Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun?

You must have learn something after being robbed.

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700
From: dilipd...@yahoo.com
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down:
Green panel

Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ?

Or is that too complicated?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian
must
have a gun to make a point?

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to
defend

your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent
to
guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does
notice,

don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom
it. I

wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference
for

the people after all.

Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

NEW DELHI:
Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining
at
Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal,-- An Addendum

2010-08-17 Thread Chan Mahanta

 The names, places,etc. I gave here are illustrative only, not necessarily 
the actual events or places. May not have been Orissa, may not be Dantewada,  
may not be Vedanta.





On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Chan Mahanta wrote:

 You are taking the issue too literally Dhruba.
 
 The point should have been the totally incomparable examples, held up to be 
 similar by Dilip. The scale, the circumstances are impossibly different. One 
 does not even come close to the other.
 
 Dilip got robbed in Paris, while vacationing. Did he lose his house? His 
 employment, his livelihood? Does this continue to happen to him, unabated? 
 
 The people in Orissa (?) who lost their land and their livelihoods, never 
 received compensation ( just came to light , 23 yrs. later, but no guarantee 
 of yet receiving any). Having had no relief from the institutions of their 
 state that some continue to wave as 'democratic' , so must be benevolent, 
 just, timely and all things holy, they  took to arms, placing their lives on 
 the line.
 
 Now compare the two: Dilip's hardships in his Parisian vacation, and 
 Dantewada's indigenous people who lived off their land from time immemorial, 
 losinit  to corporate greed of Vedanta.
 
 
 Dilip was right about not having purchased a gun to defend his property. That 
 is because he HAS  his government provide that service. If someone attempted 
 to take a piece of his property , he can go to to the court, and he could get 
 a decision in his life-time, actually much shorter, probably within a year.
 
 Compare that to the 23 years it took in Dantewada (?) just to be noticed by 
 the high-court, finally.  Did they get help from the police? From civil 
 authorities? Heck NO!
 
 So do the two compare? Should Dilip have even attempted that  to draw the 
 conclusion he did? 
 
 Does it look nice :-)?
 
 
 You know the answer.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 17, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote:
 
 
 I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.
 
 
 
 Hieun Chang was robbed when he was backing from Kamrup to his place. After 
 being robbed he was empty with his everything, and sitting on a stone he was 
 thinking about his mistake. He saw a monkey was fighting with a tiger to 
 save her childs, and after few minutes the monkey was able to recover from  
 the tiger. Mr Chang realised, if he could also fight such. Then he went his 
 place, he thinking about the monkey's fight against the tiger. Reaching his 
 place, he inventend the martial art and named it Kung Fu. Untill Bruce Lee's 
 movie Kung was not so popular beyond China region. But now it is world's 
 most popular martial art. This is the history of invention of Kung Fu.
 
 
 
 Did you learn Kung Fu? If not why you do not buy a gun?
 
 
 
 You must have learn something after being robbed.
 
 
 
 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:12:49 -0700
 From: dilipd...@yahoo.com
 To: assam@assamnet.org
 Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: 
 Green panel
 
 More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even  in a 
 democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for 
 civilians  in USA.
 Are you an NRA member?
 I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: 
 Green 
 panel
 
 
 Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? 
 
 But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their 
 DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the 
 light 
 of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? 
 
 
 Or is that too complicated?
 
 
 
 On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:
 
 Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian 
 must 
 have a gun to make a point?
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM
 Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
 panel
 
 So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to 
 defend 
 
 your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent 
 to 
 guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
 notice, 
 
 don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  fathom 
 it. I 
 
 wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the 
 difference for 
 
 the people after all. 
 
 cm
 
 
 Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
 
 Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
 Business - Business - The Times of India 
 http

[Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Chan Mahanta

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to defend 
your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to 
guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
notice, don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  
fathom it. I wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the 
difference for the people after all. 
cm


Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
Business - Business - The Times of India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX


NEW DELHI: 
Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at 
Niyamgiri,  encroached upon government land,  got clearances on the basis of 
false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,  
Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations,  the Orissa government 
colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the 
findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee,  which on Monday recommended 
that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the 
Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred 
indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings 
out the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental 
protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed 
sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of 
Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence 
alienated tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests 
ministry panel signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have 
finally muscled their way onto the governance agenda,  forcing the authorities 
to take action against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The 
Saxena committee report,  which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta 
smelters in Orissa,  comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several 
high-profile,  heavy-investment projects,  including the Posco Integrated Steel 
project in Orissa,  which,  at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign 
direct investment in India,  the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 
10,000 crore),  hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the 
Navi Mumbai airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by 
the ministry of environment and forests to investigate if the state government 
and the aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest 
Conservation Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive 
evidence to nail the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta 
to flagrantly violate the laws. , But the committee,  even as it recommended 
that the mining project be disallowed,  stopped short of asking for prosecution 
of the officials involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went 
unchecked for years. , The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, 
we have to consider the clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and 
forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked if the violations could be set right now,  the 
minister said,  Without prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy 
that one violates laws and still has a window of opportunity to just pay a 
penalty and get away with it later. , The report will now be reviewed by the 
statutory Forest Advisory Committee,  which will then give its recommendations 
to the ministry to take a final call on the forest clearance. , The report 
says,  This committee is of the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed 
mining lease area by depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over 
the proposed mining area in order to benefit a private company would shake the 
faith of tribal people in the laws of the land which may have serious 
consequences for the security and well-being of the entire country. , The 
report records how the state government falsified documents and concealed 
information from the central government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in 
mining bauxite while the company encroached upon government and tribal lands 
with impunity. , The aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- 
despite legal notices from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun 
building a refinery to produce 6 million tonnes of aluminium per annum instead 
of the 1 million tonnes per annum plant that it had got the green clearance 
for. , The committee -- that included S Parasuraman,  director of Tata 
Institute of Social Sciences; Promode Kant,  retired forest official; and Amita 
Baviskar,  professor at the Institute of Economic Growth -- pointed out how 
right from the beginning,  the firm had furnished

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Dilip Deka

Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must 
have a gun to make a point?

From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM
Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to defend 
your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to 
guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
notice, 
don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  fathom it. I 
wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference for 
the people after all. 

cm

Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
Business - Business - The Times of India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX

NEW DELHI: 
Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at 
Niyamgiri,  encroached upon government land,  got clearances on the basis of 
false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,  
Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations,  the Orissa government 
colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the 
findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee,  which on Monday recommended 
that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of the 
Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred 
indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings 
out 
the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental 
protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed 
sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of 
Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence 
alienated 
tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry panel 
signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled 
their way onto the governance agenda,  forcing the authorities to take action 
against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena committee 
report,  which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa,  
comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile,  
heavy-investment projects,  including the Posco Integrated Steel project in 
Orissa,  which,  at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct 
investment in India,  the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 10,000 
crore),  hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi 
Mumbai 
airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the ministry 
of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the 
aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest Conservation 
Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to nail 
the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly 
violate the laws. , But the committee,  even as it recommended that the mining 
project be disallowed,  stopped short of asking for prosecution of the 
officials 
involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , 
The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider the 
clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. Asked 
if the violations could be set right now,  the minister said,  Without 
prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws 
and 
still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it 
later. , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory 
Committee,  which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to take a 
final call on the forest clearance. , The report says,  This committee is of 
the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by 
depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed mining 
area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal 
people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the 
security and well-being of the entire country. , The report records how the 
state government falsified documents and concealed information from the central 
government to facilitate the aluminium refinery in mining bauxite while the 
company encroached upon government and tribal lands with impunity. , The 
aluminium czar Anil Aggarwal's company has illegally -- despite legal notices 
from the Orissa State Pollution Control Board -- begun building a refinery to 
produce 6 million

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Chan Mahanta


Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? 

But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their 
DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light 
of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? 

Or is that too complicated?



On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

 Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must 
 have a gun to make a point?
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM
 Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
 panel
 
 So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to 
 defend 
 your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to 
 guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
 notice, 
 don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  fathom it. 
 I 
 wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference 
 for 
 the people after all. 
 
 cm
 
 
 Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
 
 Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
 Business - Business - The Times of India 
 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX
 
 
 
 NEW DELHI: 
 Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at 
 Niyamgiri,  encroached upon government land,  got clearances on the basis of 
 false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,  
 Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations,  the Orissa government 
 colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the 
 findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee,  which on Monday 
 recommended 
 that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of 
 the 
 Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred 
 indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings 
 out 
 the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental 
 protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed 
 sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of 
 Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence 
 alienated 
 tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry 
 panel 
 signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled 
 their way onto the governance agenda,  forcing the authorities to take action 
 against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena 
 committee 
 report,  which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in Orissa, 
  
 comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile,  
 heavy-investment projects,  including the Posco Integrated Steel project in 
 Orissa,  which,  at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct 
 investment in India,  the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 
 10,000 
 crore),  hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi 
 Mumbai 
 airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the 
 ministry 
 of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the 
 aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest 
 Conservation 
 Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to 
 nail 
 the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly 
 violate the laws. , But the committee,  even as it recommended that the 
 mining 
 project be disallowed,  stopped short of asking for prosecution of the 
 officials 
 involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , 
 The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider 
 the 
 clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. 
 Asked 
 if the violations could be set right now,  the minister said,  Without 
 prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws 
 and 
 still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it 
 later. , The report will now be reviewed by the statutory Forest Advisory 
 Committee,  which will then give its recommendations to the ministry to take 
 a 
 final call on the forest clearance. , The report says,  This committee is of 
 the firm view that allowing mining in the proposed mining lease area by 
 depriving two primitive tribal groups of their rights over the proposed 
 mining 
 area in order to benefit a private company would shake the faith of tribal 
 people in the laws of the land which may have serious consequences for the 
 security and well-being

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Dilip Deka

More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even  in a 
democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for 
civilians  in USA.
Are you an NRA member?
I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.





From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
panel


Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? 

But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their 
DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the light 
of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? 


Or is that too complicated?



On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

 Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian must 
 have a gun to make a point?
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM
 Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
panel
 
 So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to 
 defend 

 your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to 
 guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
notice, 

 don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  fathom it. 
 I 

 wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference 
 for 

 the people after all. 
 
 cm
 
 
 Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel
 
 Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
 Business - Business - The Times of India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX
X
 
 
 
 NEW DELHI: 
 Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at 
 Niyamgiri,  encroached upon government land,  got clearances on the basis of 
 false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,  
 Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations,  the Orissa government 
 colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the 
 findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee,  which on Monday 
 recommended 

 that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of 
 the 

 Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred 
 indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings 
out 

 the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental 
 protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed 
 sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of 
 Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence 
alienated 

 tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry 
 panel 

 signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled 
 their way onto the governance agenda,  forcing the authorities to take action 
 against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena 
 committee 

 report,  which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in 
 Orissa,  

 comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile,  
 heavy-investment projects,  including the Posco Integrated Steel project in 
 Orissa,  which,  at Rs 56, 000 crore is the single-largest foreign direct 
 investment in India,  the Jindal thermal power plant in Chhattisgarh (Rs 
 10,000 

 crore),  hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi 
Mumbai 

 airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the 
 ministry 

 of environment and forests to investigate if the state government and the 
 aluminium giant had complied with the Forest Rights Act and Forest 
 Conservation 

 Act while mining for bauxite. , The report reveals exhaustive evidence to 
 nail 

 the complicity of the state government in permitting Vedanta to flagrantly 
 violate the laws. , But the committee,  even as it recommended that the 
 mining 

 project be disallowed,  stopped short of asking for prosecution of the 
officials 

 involved in what seems to be a blatant fraud that went unchecked for years. , 
 The question of whom to prosecute is secondary. First, we have to consider 
 the 

 clearance, said Union minister for enviroment and forests Jairam Ramesh. 
 Asked 

 if the violations could be set right now,  the minister said,  Without 
 prejudice to the existing case, it would be a tragedy that one violates laws 
and 

 still has a window of opportunity to just pay a penalty and get away with it 
 later. , The report will now

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Chan Mahanta

I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

*** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should
emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values.

Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare with,
say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them
by corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to
light for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes
earlier. Or Assam's existence being noticed.

I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow,
somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY
propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or
could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ?

Or is that too complicated?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian
must
have a gun to make a point?

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to
defend

your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to
guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does
notice,

don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom
it. I

wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference
for

the people after all.

Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

NEW DELHI:
Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at
Niyamgiri, encroached upon government land, got clearances on the basis of
false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,
Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations, the Orissa government
colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the
findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee, which on Monday
recommended

that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of
the

Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred
indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings
out

tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry
panel

report, which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in
Orissa,

crore), hydroelectric projects on Bhagirathi in Uttarakhand and the Navi
Mumbai

airport in Maharashtra (Rs 7,972 crore). , The panel was set up by the
ministry

of environment and forests to investigate

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Dilip Deka

THERE IS NO NEED OF VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT IS PERSONAL OR 
BROADER IN NATURE.
VIOLENCE ONLY ESCALATES.

From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
panel

I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

*** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should 
emulate.  You have upheld  the highest of human values.

Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare with, 
say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them 
by 
corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to 
light 
for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes earlier. 
Or Assam's existence being noticed.

I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow, 
somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY 

propensity for violence  that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or 
could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

 More intelligent question would be why do civilians need guns even  in a 
 democracy like USA to do the same? I am all in favor of banning guns for 
 civilians  in USA.
 Are you an NRA member?
 I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:59:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
 panel

 Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ? 

 But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their 
 DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the 
 light 

 of day, much less a fair and timely resolution? 

 Or is that too complicated?

 On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

 Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian 
 must 

 have a gun to make a point?

 From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
 To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
 assam@assamnet.org
 Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 9:50:19 PM
 Subject: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green 
 panel

 So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR:  That unless you take up arms to 
 defend 

 your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent to 
 guarantee  the rights of people. But when they take up arms,  Dilli does 
 notice, 

 don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't  fathom 
 it. I 

 wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference 
 for 

 the people after all. 

 cm

 Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

 Read more: Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel - India 
 Business - Business - The Times of India 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Vedanta-mines-illegal-must-be-shut-down-Green-panel/articleshow/6321872.cms#ixzz0wpMAIbWX
X
 X

 NEW DELHI: 
 Mining giant Vedanta consistently violated several laws in bauxite mining at 
 Niyamgiri,  encroached upon government land,  got clearances on the basis of 
 false information and illegally built its aluminium refinery at Lanjigarh,  
 Orissa. As the company engaged in these violations,  the Orissa government 
 colluded with it and the Centre turned a blind eye. , These are some of the 
 findings of the four-member N C Saxena committee,  which on Monday 
 recommended 

 that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of 
 the 

 Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred 
 indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project brings 
 out 

 the short shrift given to concerns about tribal rights and environmental 
 protection. It is significant also because it underlines the changed 
 sensibilities of the government towards the issues against the backdrop of 
 Left-wing extremism and why Naxalites are finding it easy to influence 
 alienated 

 tribal belts. , The stern report of the environment and forests ministry 
 panel 

 signalled that tribal rights and environmental isssues have finally muscled 
 their way onto the governance agenda,  forcing the authorities to take 
 action 

 against corporates who may have shown disregard for rules. The Saxena 
 committee 

 report,  which could lead to shutting down of the Vedanta smelters in 
 Orissa,  

 comes after the MoEF moved to stop or stall several high-profile,  
 heavy-investment projects

Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

2010-08-16 Thread Chan Mahanta

So, if we return to, the case of Vedanta Mines , the people who lost their land
and livelihoods should have taken it in their stride, emulating your example,
of not purchasing a gun even after being robbed in Paris, never mind that at
last , THIS robbery was held to be illegal, primarily because of ARMED REVOLT
by Naxals, right? What was so hard about following your example here, is that
the morale of the story?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

THERE IS NO NEED OF VIOLENCE TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS, WHETHER IT IS PERSONAL OR
BROADER IN NATURE.
VIOLENCE ONLY ESCALATES.

From: Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] From ToI/Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green
panel

I was robbed in Paris but still haven't bought a gun.

*** That must be because you are a special person, one that others should
emulate. You have upheld the highest of human values.

Not to devalue your highly evolved status, but it does not quite compare
with,
say the people who did not receive compensation for property stolen from them
by
corporate interests, sanctioned and approved by desi-demokrasy, to come to
light
for 23 years, much less YET compensated. Or the news I posted minutes
earlier.
Or Assam's existence being noticed.

I know, everyone ought to emulate your aversion to violence. But somehow,
somehow, the examples don't seem equivalent. What do you think? Is it just MY

propensity for violence that I am making up these unbecoming arguments, or
could there just might be a lesson to learn, a reality to acknowledge?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Depends on how badly one is affected, robbed ?

But the intelligent question should have been: WHY do Indians , in their
DEMOCRATIC country, have to take to guns, before their grievances see the
light

of day, much less a fair and timely resolution?

Or is that too complicated?

On Aug 16, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Dilip Deka wrote:

Guns make a difference anywhere in the world. Doe it mean every civilian
must

have a gun to make a point?

So it proves one thing LOUD and CLEAR: That unless you take up arms to
defend

your rights in India, nothing happens. Desi demokrasy is all but impotent
to
guarantee the rights of people. But when they take up arms, Dilli does
notice,

don't they? Except that some of our kharkhowa ex-pats still can't fathom
it. I

wonder WHY these were NOT illegal so far? Naxalism does make the difference
for

the people after all.

Vedanta mines illegal, must be shut down: Green panel

that the company not be allowed to mine in the hills that are the abode of
the

Dongaria Kondh and Kutia Kondh tribes in Orissa. , The no-holds-barred
indictment of the state and private sector in the $1.7billion project
brings
out

Re: [Assam] From ToI

2008-06-13 Thread Jyotirmoy Sharma

I think you have summed this up very well. I would have to agree that when
it comes to cleanliness, Indians are way behind. A visit to the airport
toilet will be the first pointer to how clean we can get.
We do have bad habits of not caring for something not belonging to us.
Although I have to admit that I do not belong to this group.
Also, it is the western people or the whites(not all but still in majority)
who has taught us clean and healthy living.
About the flights to India, it is not without reason that flights to the
subcontinent are considered a downgrade for the flight crew members.
JS

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

C'da,

*** Is there any reason for such a perception among westerners or is it a
case of racism?

I don't think one can call it 'racism' but rather some sort of prejudice
or perceived notion.

If one were to visit certain parts of India, citizens are least bothered
about throwing garbage out of the windows and on to the streets. Public
sanitation and health is huge problem in India.

Guwahati for instance, most will agree, that while homes are usually very
clean, the streets outside are strewn with garbage filth everywhere, and
the Bharalu and the Brahmaputra are where everything winds up in the end.

I understand there are many reasons for this, but public apathy and lack of
'ownership' of the surroundings must have contributed something to the
plight of Guwahati.

The 'racism' part comes from some Westerners when they probably relate to
what they see on TV about India, Africa, the Sudan, and then see some
Indians reiterating whats seen on TV.

BTW: Yesterday, while listening to a 'right wing' talk radio, and they were
talking about Korean Restaurants feeding dog meat to customers (in the US).

Many callers were convinced that was the case (even though they had never
visited or actually knew about Korea, and were sure that dog meat was was
there (but of the menu). Now, that is a problem of perception

--Ram

On 6/12/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

blaming Indian immigrants for littering.

*** Is there any reason for such a perception among westerners or is
it a case of racism?

***

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/British_councillor_apologises_for_racist_remarks_on_Indians/articleshow/3123690.cms

LONDON: A local authority councillor in London has been forced to
apologise after blaming Indian immigrants for littering.

Lucy Ivimy of the Hammersmith and Fulham local authority in west
London was slammed after claiming in an email that Indians in an
apartment block were throwing rubbish out of the window.

While such practice was normal behaviour in India, to do so in
Britain was not acceptable behaviour, she said in the email.

Residents said there was no evidence Indians were tossing rubbish out
of the window -- or indeed that there were any Indians at the
Woodford Court apartment block.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, Ivimy said: I am aware that some
ill-advised comments of mine in a private email have been interpreted
as something that I never meant and have given offence, for which I
unreservedly apologise.

I should stress that I have no idea who are the specific culprits,
or even if they are estate residents.

I never meant to imply that this sort of careless behaviour belongs
specifically to any one particular group.

Stephen Cowan, leader of the Labour group in the Tory-run council,
said: This shows her inherent prejudice.

He said Ivimy, as a member of the council's cabinet looking after
housing, was responsible for 14,000 tenants' homes and over 4,000
leaseholders' homes and all the housing association homes in the
borough of Hammersmith and Fulham.

Many of those people, like the whole of London, come from all sorts
of backgrounds.

Dang Sakares, who has lived on the apartment block for eight years,
said: I don't think I've seen any Indian people in this block.
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2008-06-12 Thread Chan Mahanta