Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be ofgreat standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM. Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Enterprises willhave to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured95% employment! mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500 Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the " government of the people", without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ? Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least) *** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile'" here Ram :-)? A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? c-da At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOTa single reply . You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if one did not have collateral Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :) I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to read them, let me know. Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least). A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneursh
Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
capital if one did not have collateral They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :)Could I divulge on their behalf-I did that many a time before. The world,-India in particular- will be bending over backward to lend on "never-bother-to-return-you are our Annadata-" basis to free Oxom's Central Finance Bank. mm From:"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:"Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate:Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:35:12 -0500 C'da, Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOTa single reply .You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if one did not have collateral Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :) I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to read them, let me know.Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least). A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. --RamOn 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have gotten used to the well-meaning advice and exhortations of our fellow kharkhowas about how to pull Assam out of its miseries by starting industries,by being entrepreneurs and so forth. I smile to myself, wondering why these advisers work for wages, mostly clerical work, far from home , in environments where it is far easier to become entrepreneurs . Something is patently contradictory here isn't it? I have pondered over it often. My guess, so far, is that, well meaning as they are, they have NO clue :-). Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOT a single reply. Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if one did not have collateral, how to build a market, how to distribute, how to get an operating line of credit, so on and so forth. And last but not the least, how to make sure of getting paid for delivering goods or services, and if there is a contract default, how to go about resolving such a dispute, who to rely on? The silence was deafening. I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to read them, let me know. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
Mukul da, And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT Very encouraging. Do they also have an ethics course to go alongwith - at least as a side dish? We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Hmm! And all this while I thought that pre-1947 (and a 100 years before) all we had were only HH George VI, Victoria et al. Could be wrong and Assam was different. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), And why not? We know a few Assamese teach there. Are the Assamese going to Kharagpur or elsewhere?--Ram On 9/26/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be ofgreat standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM. Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Enterprises willhave to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured95% employment! mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED],Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500 Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the government of the people, without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ? Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least) *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? c-da At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOTa single reply . You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency
Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
Mukul da, Could I divulge on their behalf-I did that many a time before. The world,-India in particular- will be bending over backward to lend on never-bother-to-return-you are our Annadata- basis to free Oxom's Central Finance Bank. We are not talking about the 'tax' on the GOI here, but of raising capital from the common people in Assam. Perhaps you missed this in today's Sentinel: _ APW to ULFA: Why silent on B'deshis?Paresh has lost mental balance: ULFA kin "ULFA leaders are wild beasts, and as such they extort the Asomiyas and invest the funds so collected in Bangladesh. Had the ULFA really loved Asom and its people, it would have driven the Bangladeshis out from the State and bailed the Asomiyas out from the ongoing demographic invasion," said ULFA kin. By a Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Sept 26: The Assam Public Works (APW), an organization comprising family members of ULFA cadres, went hammer and tongs against United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) 'commander-in-chief' Paresh Baruah, and said that Baruah had lost his mental balance. "Had Paresh Baruah been mentally sound, he would not have demanded tax from Indians staying in the North-east," APW director Abhijit Sarma said while talking to The Sentinel today. Reacting to Paresh Baruah's mother Miliki Baruah's recent comment that the ULFA leaders are not 'cocks and ducks', and that they will come as soon as they are called by the Centre, Abhijit Sarma said: "In fact, ULFA leaders are wild beasts, and as such they extort the Asomiyas and invest the funds so collected in Bangladesh. Had the ULFA really loved Asom and its people, it would have driven the Bangladeshis out from the State and bailed the Asomiyas out from the ongoing demographic invasion." He also appealed to writer Mamoni Raisom Goswami to engage herself in solving problems afflicting the State like floods and erosion rather than being the 'spokesperson' of the rebel group. The APW also warned the Army of any atrocities on the common people in the name of operations against the rebel group. "We will start a democratic movement against the Army if they are found harassing common people in their operations against the rebel group," Sarma said. Meanwhile, the APW has started a signature campaign from today to assess the people's opinion on 'who actually does not want direct peace talks to begin — the Centre or the ULFA.'The PCG and the PCPIA, on the other hand, were silent when the Centre had asked the ULFA to write a letter to the Government expressing its willingness for direct talks with the Centre for the five jailed ULFA leaders to be freed, but the two organizations raised a hue and cry when the Army started its operation against the rebel group. The PCPIA staged a sit-in demonstration in front of Dhighalipukhuri in the city today in protest against the Army operations in the State. Meanwhile, the Army has intensified its operations in and around the Dibru-Saikhowa Reserve Forest but reports of any casualty was yet to ascertained. On 9/26/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: capital if one did not have collateral They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :)Could I divulge on their behalf-I did that many a time before. The world,-India in particular- will be bending over backward to lend on never-bother-to-return-you are our Annadata- basis to free Oxom's Central Finance Bank. mm From:Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate:Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:35:12 -0500 C'da, Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOTa single reply .You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if one did not have collateral Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :) I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to read them, let me know.Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least). A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. --RamOn 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have gotten used to the well-meaning advice
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Dear Ram, Please define ETHICS and ask GOI/GOA/TATA/Ambanis/IIM's/IIT's if they practice that stuff? And ask the Assam "Management" community to have their second opinion too. May be from GOI/GOA under RTI Act mm From:"Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:"mc mahant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate:Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:32:20 -0500 Mukul da, And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT Very encouraging. Do they also have an ethics course to go alongwith - at least as a side dish? We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Hmm! And all this while I thought that pre-1947 (and a 100 years before) all we had were only HH George VI, Victoria et al. Could be wrong and Assam was different. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), And why not? We know a few Assamese teach there. Are the Assamese going to Kharagpur or elsewhere?--Ram On 9/26/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be ofgreat standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM. Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Enterprises willhave to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured95% employment! mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Ram Sarangapani" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500 Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the " government of the people", without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ? Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least) *** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile'" here Ram :-)? A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? c-da At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06,
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Title: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam Ram could do better: Ask the ENRON whipper-snappers from Harvard Bus School :-). There was an article in NY Times within the past week or so about ETHICS courses in Bus. Schools, asking if it is an oxymoron. In fact in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch had a short report on exactly the same thing. But I did not read it. The headline declared that MBA students cheat far more than the average in other professional courses. Explanation: The competition is so high! So perhaps Rams question was tongue-in-cheek. Was it Ram :)? At 11:25 PM +0530 9/26/06, mc mahant wrote: Dear Ram, Please define ETHICS and ask GOI/GOA/TATA/Ambanis/IIM's/IIT's if they practice that stuff? And ask the Assam Management community to have their second opinion too. May be from GOI/GOA under RTI Act mm From:Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Subject:Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:32:20 -0500 Mukul da, And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT Very encouraging. Do they also have an ethics course to go alongwith - at least as a side dish? We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Hmm! And all this while I thought that pre-1947 (and a 100 years before) all we had were only HH George VI, Victoria et al. Could be wrong and Assam was different. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), And why not? We know a few Assamese teach there. Are the Assamese going to Kharagpur or elsewhere? --Ram On 9/26/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be ofgreat standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM. Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Enterprises willhave to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured95% employment! mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED],Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500 Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the government of the people, without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ? Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least) *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats
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C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, oncapital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knowshow far you could dig into those dreadedarchives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :) Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral). *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course,most Indians are exempt) :) :) --Ram On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the government of the people, without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ? Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship(at this time at least) *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? c-da At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOTa single reply . You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if one did not have collateral Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? They might be willing to divulge how to get
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Ram-da and C-da, I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : What they don't teach at Harvard Business School --would be useful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experience since my teen years -helping my father set-up a iron junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race. He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field. I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - the kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named after Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India or Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at Harvard. In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly use their contacts and skills. Regards. Umesh A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :) Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral). *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians are exempt) :) :) --Ram On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you
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C'da, So perhaps Rams question was tongue-in-cheek. Was it Ram :)? This was in the last line of my previous post: Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course,most Indians are exempt) :) :) And, yes, it was bit of the tongue-in-cheek stuff. But Ethics courses taught and learnt in sincerity do pay dividends - Enron, GOI/GOA/ notwithstanding. I was watching an interview some time ago(about this ethics problem in US Cos.), and several CEOs agreed that there was a big problem - but they were also quick to point out that a vast majority of US cos. heads were ethical and responsible. --Ram On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram could do better: Ask the ENRON whipper-snappers from Harvard Bus School :-). There was an article in NY Times within the past week or so about ETHICS courses in Bus. Schools, asking if it is an oxymoron. In fact in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch had a short report on exactly the same thing. But I did not read it. The headline declared that MBA students cheat far more than the average in other professional courses. Explanation: The competition is so high! So perhaps Rams question was tongue-in-cheek. Was it Ram :)? At 11:25 PM +0530 9/26/06, mc mahant wrote: Dear Ram, Please define ETHICS and ask GOI/GOA/TATA/Ambanis/IIM's/IIT's if they practice that stuff? And ask the Assam Management community to have their second opinion too. May be from GOI/GOA under RTI Act mm From:Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:32:20 -0500 Mukul da, And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT Very encouraging. Do they also have an ethics course to go alongwith - at least as a side dish? We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Hmm! And all this while I thought that pre-1947 (and a 100 years before) all we had were only HH George VI, Victoria et al. Could be wrong and Assam was different. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), And why not? We know a few Assamese teach there. Are the Assamese going to Kharagpur or elsewhere?--Ram On 9/26/06, mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(althoughtheAssamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be ofgreat standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM. Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam. Enterprises willhave to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured95% employment! mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED],Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in AssamDate: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500 Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them. However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the government of the people, without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty
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Umesh, am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'mtold even on student visa one can set up a US firm aslong as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to dothe dirty work :-) You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) --Ram da On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da and C-da,I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'mtold even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to dothe dirty work :-)I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : Whatthey don't teach at Harvard Business School --would beuseful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experiencesince my teen years -helping my father set-up a ironjunk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race.He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field.I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - thekind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) whenHarvard Univ was set up -and the city was named afterCambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware(liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India orAssam in particular - can teach what is taught atHarvard.In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly usetheir contacts and skills.Regards.UmeshA start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there).*** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School.*** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)?--- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The commentwas about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :)Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral). *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians are exempt) :) :) --Ram On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The commentwas about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses. Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you?*** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you
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Ram-da, I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannot work in your own company but you can hire a local guy (like my unemployed US citizen NRI kid ex-housemate) and pay some money to work for me (atleast on paper) . This was told to me by my landlord -who set up a IT consutlacy firm while on US work visa . For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and lawyers to discuss such things. Business is competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical business-person. Umesh --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) *to do the dirty work :-)* You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) --Ram da * * On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da and C-da, I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : What they don't teach at Harvard Business School --would be useful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experience since my teen years -helping my father set-up a iron junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race. He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field. I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - the kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named after Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India or Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at Harvard. In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly use their contacts and skills. Regards. Umesh A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :) Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral). *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians
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I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannotwork in your own company I know, Umesh, I was just pulling your leg. --Ram da On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da,I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannotwork in your own company but you can hire a local guy (like my unemployed US citizen NRI kid ex-housemate)and pay some money to work for me (atleast on paper) .This was told to me bymy landlord -who set up a ITconsutlacy firm while on US work visa . For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics isa debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts andlawyers to discuss such things. Business iscompetition --not philosophy!! As long as you are notkilling or persecuting someone you are an ethical business-person.Umesh--- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) *to do the dirty work :-)* You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) --Ram da * * On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da and C-da, I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : What they don't teach at Harvard Business School --would be useful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experience since my teen years -helping my father set-up a iron junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race. He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field. I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - the kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named after Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India or Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at Harvard. In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly use their contacts and skills. Regards. Umesh A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent livingWITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearnfor those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then youwon't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have aneducation that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And mostof us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, thatcould come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles ofbusiness/enterprise?From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer acourse in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :)Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral).*** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians are
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Title: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) *** You can't blame Umesh for that now Ram! He is doing what Indian ethics taught him :-). At 1:39 PM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Umesh, am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) --Ram da On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da and C-da, I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : What they don't teach at Harvard Business School --would be useful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experience since my teen years -helping my father set-up a iron junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race. He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field. I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - the kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named after Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India or Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at Harvard. In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly use their contacts and skills. Regards. Umesh A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The commentwas about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :) Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know any either. But I thought, since you were the one asking these tricky(pesky) questions, and since you are so 'fair and balanced' you perhaps would have made sure to ask both parties :Sulfa and ulfa. Both have managed to raise huge amounts of capital (and without the proverbial collateral). *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians are exempt) :) :) --Ram On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram: You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here? *** No, that is not what I wrote. The commentwas about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-). However we DID examine the reasons for so
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For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and lawyers to discuss such things. Business is competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical business-person. *** Question is if this is Harvard ethics, or desi ethics? At 7:49 PM +0100 9/26/06, umesh sharma wrote: Ram-da, I meant that while on studet or work visa you cannot work in your own company but you can hire a local guy (like my unemployed US citizen NRI kid ex-housemate) and pay some money to work for me (atleast on paper) . This was told to me by my landlord -who set up a IT consutlacy firm while on US work visa . For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-) thats why there are courts and lawyers to discuss such things. Business is competition --not philosophy!! As long as you are not killing or persecuting someone you are an ethical business-person. Umesh --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh, am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) *to do the dirty work :-)* You don't mean the 'unethical' stuff do you? Man - I tell you, this Harvard ed. not only teaches you ethics, but makes sure you get someone else to do the dirty work! :)) --Ram da * * On 9/26/06, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da and C-da, I am indeed thinking of setting up a firm in US - I'm told even on student visa one can set up a US firm as long as you rope in someone else (US citizen ) to do the dirty work :-) I think a reading of the extremely pirated book : What they don't teach at Harvard Business School --would be useful to anyone interested in building confidence to start a business. I do have some business experience since my teen years -helping my father set-up a iron junk trading business. Slow and steady wins the race. He had no degree in business or commerce -just advice from established players in the field. I did an MBA from a small rural town in India - the kind which Cambridge city was (near Boston) when Harvard Univ was set up -and the city was named after Cambridge Univ from which many of its residents had graduated. In today's world of Opensource courseware (liek MIT's gift to the world) even univs in India or Assam in particular - can teach what is taught at Harvard. In that sense those who have gone abroad /outside Assam and got business experience can certainly use their contacts and skills. Regards. Umesh A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). *** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent living WITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise? From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School. *** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)? --- Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'da, *** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader You are right. Must have slipped thru somehow. Just making these preachers the same as the actual bidnessmen. So, what you are saying is that there are very few experts (at least the ones we come across) who are cabable of giving sound advice on business startup, and lest we forget, on capital acquisition. *** Are you implying maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile' here Ram :-)? Well, one never knows how far you could dig into those dreaded archives, and fish out something. Just not taking chances here :) :) Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? *** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps* you* can pose the question to them. Of course, I don't know
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I wonder why a discusion of business enterprise always ends up becoming a discussion of ethics --whereas no such discussion seems necessary while talking about terrorism. *** Again how are they related? *** Your comment For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-) displays an appalling absence of understanding the entire issue of ETHICS! Not that you are alone here. But certainly it is NOT something we would have expected from you, who waves around your Harvard degree and all and lecture everyone on every subject under the sun. At 2:35 PM -0700 9/26/06, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I wonder why a discusion of business enterprise always ends up becoming a discussion of ethics --whereas no such discussion seems necessary while talking about terrorism. Is it that business enterprise is considered worse than terrorism by many on AssamNet? Umesh Sharma 5121 Lackawanna ST College Park, MD 20740 USA Current temp. address: 5649 Yalta Place , Vancouver, Canada 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone] Canada # (607) 221-9433 http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam -Justice, Ethics competitive sports
C-da, This weblink is working : Comparative Religious Ethics http://cm.dce.harvard.edu/2005/01/12449/L02/seg1/index_SingleHighBandwidth.html. The one on Justice - it seems will start working when the new session starts soon next week. Business is competition --just like Olympics. Many thinngs are legal and allowed at any point of time so one must play by the rules - but if someone is paranoid about violating any rule (such as by mistake touching the ball by hand while playing soccer ) and is constantly looking up the rule book only --- then s/he can never play at all. There are hundreds of rules for any game -and esp for business --which even the top most Harvard educatedlawyers (incl US Supreme Court Chieff Justice - John Roberts) cannot remember ALL the time. One has to use one's judgement about the course of action to adopt. Sometimes one makes mistakes -without realizing - Tufts Univ in Boston has a program where it brings Business execs who madeunethical decisions -to deliberate the situations in which theythough that they were doing the right thing. About ethics and law: 100 years ago 300+ Sikhs sailed from Hong Kong to settle in Vancouver , Canada - to try to by-pass the British Law which forbade them to do so. The ship was called KomaGata Maru (Guru Nanak Ship) . They were sent back -- after the Vancouver based British authorities found that they had done something illegal. Much later Canadian officials apologized for their actions. Who was unethical? You decide. I would say --challenge an unjust law anytime (if it seems so to you). Umesh - Original Message From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSent: Tuesday, 26 September, 2006 3:05:33 PMSubject: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam C-da, Perhaps you should see thisHarvard course on Reasoning: Moral Justice and its lectures (on video via net -see left side for weblink) fordebate about ethics. Overall - it says that try to go for "Greatest Good for the Greatest Number" while pursuing ethical course of acction -as a rule of thumb. http://www.isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do%3fkeyword=k4666 Why do you think that business is unethical whilebeing an employee in am MNC isNOT?Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 USACurrent temp. address: 5649 Yalta Place , Vancouver, Canada1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Canada # (607) 221-9433Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Original Message From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.orgSent: Tuesday, 26 September, 2006 2:44:28 PMSubject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam I wonder why a discusion of business enterprise always ends up becoming a discussion of ethics --whereas no such discussion seems necessary while talking about terrorism.*** Again how are they related?*** Your comment"For the enterprising there is always a way --ethics is a debatable issue :-)displays an appalling absence of understanding the entire issue of ETHICS! Not that you are alone here. But certainly it is NOT something we would have expected from you, who waves around your Harvard degree and all and lecture everyone on every subject under the sun.At 2:35 PM -0700 9/26/06, umesh sharma wrote:C-da,I wonder why a discusion of business enterprise always ends up becoming a discussion of ethics --whereas no such discussion seems necessary while talking about terrorism.Is it that business enterprise is considered worse than terrorism by many on AssamNet?Umesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, MD 20740 USACurrent temp. address: 5649 Yalta Place , Vancouver, Canada1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Canada # (607) 221-9433http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
