Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @43I never turn off uac, but JAWS itself does not work... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290989#p290989 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @Lord Lundin, if you could check about favourites that would be helpful since I like messing around with the favourites, creating new folders, moving things around etc. As to outlook, well I suspect it's a configuration problem on my lady's windows 7 machine, since the problem isn't to do with what supernova's not reading so much as to do with too much to waid through or tab through, however as I said I always prefer a simpler, more streight forward program over a more complex one, and trying to wade through all the various view and config options is not a fun business.As to screen reader differences, well maybe I'll investigate nvda at some point, but it's not exactly a priority right now, I've got enough to deal with with windows 10, hence why i didn't want this topic to turn into yet another "my screen reader is better" type of debate. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290981#p290981 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @Lord Lundin, if you could check about favourites that would be helpful since I like messing around with the favourites folder. As to outlook, well I suspect it's a configuration problem on my lady's windows 7 machine, since the problem isn't to do with what supernova's not reading so much as to do with too much to waid through or tab through, however as I said I always prefer a simpler, more streight forward program over a more complex one, and trying to wade through all the various view and config options is not a fun business.As to screen reader differences, well maybe I'll investigate nvda at some point, but it's not exactly a priority right now, I've got enough to deal with with windows 10, hence why i didn't want this topic to turn into yet another "my screen reader is better" type of debate. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290981#p290981 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @42This is a perfect example of unfounded windows 10 bashing. Don't get me wrong, windows 10 has so many problems microsoft edge for example which I think are inexcusable, but jaws not reading the settings screen is the fault of jaws itself. Nvda works fine in this screen, so it is probably a jaws bug. So to rephrase: You don't hate windows 10, you hate jaws for not supporting windows 10 properly.I really don't want to start a screenreader flamewar, But when you are going to bash accessibility, please bash the party who is at fault, instead of blaming it on microsoft, when a screenreader is the problem, or the other way around.One solution I have heard somewhere is turning UAC back on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290917#p290917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Well, one thing that I hate with windows 10 is, JAWS doesn't seems to read in the start menu, as well as in settings. when I press windows plus I, JAWS just says "settings". And nothing happen after that. But NVDA works great with windows 10 I have to say. Hope that FS looked into that problem in the future. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290912#p290912 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret let me just step down a bit...I'm not saying you should switch to nvda, or jaws, or whatever. If supernova works for you, then by all means, keep using it. But you seem to be having trouble with outlook, and maybe more programs, and several users report that it works fine with nvda. These users might have more knowledge of computers, so that they avoid common pitfalls. But it could also be your screenreader. Supernova might be the best screenreader out there for you. But you just don't know if it is, since you have tried nothing else, at least as far as I can gather.Once again, noone is telling you to switch. We are just telling you to look at your options. You can download the nvda installer, make a portable copy, and try it out for 2 days or so. If you don't like it, go ahead and delete its directory and tell everyone about your problems with it. Same goes for jaws, but installation is slightly more difficult. Installing screenreaders isn't rocke t science. It is not that different from installing games.And who knows, maybe you will find that another screenreader works better for you. A potentially large improvement in productivity in the long run. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290911#p290911 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Service packs, I believe, are all the updates from a particular time period rolled in to one, plus some tweaks and new features, whereas builds are almost like upgrading to an entirely new version of Windows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290883#p290883 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @dark heh if you bug me about it tomorrow in case I forget I could actually check that about favourites and UAC on my Win 10 machine ...(for anyone who want to send me a message, either use skype or send me an email using the forum as it actually notifies me pretty much right away)Speaking of Email, I downloaded an email client only for the sake of Eurofly lol, and I don't regret it. I can now respond quicker to things because I used to check my emails every week.The first client that came up when I searched for email client was Mozilla Thunderbird ... I downloaded and installed it ... and it seemed to be inaccessible. Good news, it's not.I mean I'm still not convenient using callenders and stuff but that's more cause I never ever used one ... I mostly remember by memory or if I have a lot of important dates at once I just write them down in notepad and check every day if there's ever an especially hectic period (sooo ... not the last 6 months, basically )@slender service pack sounds like an old rusty machine needed to go through service to keep running. Build sounds a lot more professional and technically Clean.It also sounds a lot more exciting ... although I suspect that's essencially the same thing to a service pack ... it's an update, right! Haha well so was the service pack. Anyway Kudos to microsoft for switching to a name that doesn't associate me to old Aircraft from the 40's that may be with emthesis on the may ... airworthy ... and that with a super thing margin Also I've started to use kudos for Everything ... lol Kudos to Dark for stepping out of his Comfort zone (or supposedly will!) ... Kutos for the existance of the Word kutos!and I don' t even know if it's appropriate! edit:oh, my, Word! I just ... realized that I use way to ... many ... ...'s ... which looks stupid and un ... uh ... whatever. Oh shit there I Went again! Well I kinda did the first few ...'s intentionally but after that the last two ones just came without me even thinking about it. ...'s police activated! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290879#p290879 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @dark heh if you bug me about it tomorrow in case I forget I could actually check that about favourites and UAC on my Win 10 machine ...(for anyone who want to send me a message, either use skype or send me an email using the forum as it actually notifies me pretty much right away)Speaking of Email, I downloaded an email client only for the sake of Eurofly lol, and I don't regret it. I can now respond quicker to things because I used to check my emails every week.The first client that came up when I searched for email client was Mozilla Thunderbird ... I downloaded and installed it ... and it seemed to be inaccessible. Good news, it's not.I mean I'm still not convenient using callenders and stuff but that's more cause I never ever used one ... I mostly remember by memory or if I have a lot of important dates at once I just write them down in notepad and check every day if there's ever an especially hectic period (sooo ... not the last 6 months, basically )@slender service pack sounds like an old rusty machine needed to go through service to keep running. Build sounds a lot more professional and technically Clean.It also sounds a lot more exciting ... although I suspect that's essencially the same thing to a service pack ... it's an update, right! Haha well so was the service pack. Anyway Kudos to microsoft for switching to a name that doesn't associate me to old Aircraft from the 40's that may be with emthesis on the may ... airworthy ... and that with a super thing margin Also I've started to use kudos for Everything ... lol Kudos to Dark for stepping out of his Comfort zone (or supposedly will!) ... Kutos for the existance of the Word kutos!and I don' t even know if it's appropriate! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290879#p290879 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @LordLundin, No, there aren't any service packs for Windows anymore. They were discontinued long ago, and now Windows 10 uses "builds". See this How to Geek article for more info. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290877#p290877 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @LordLundin, No, there aren't any service packs for Windows anymore. it was discontinued long ago, and now Windows 10 uses "builds". See this How to Geek article for more info. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290877#p290877 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Thanks about the info on UAC. I'll probably still set the slider to 0 as those alerts get rather annoying.When I said Apple got it right, I mean the decision to leave proper accessibility support up to the developer. If the developer fixes the issues, it's far better than applying scripts that could break with future versions of the program. Since Narrator is getting better, I wonder what this means for the future landscape for access to computers? TImes are a changing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290863#p290863 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Well I'll agree it doesnt' have as wide a user base as Jaws, though I've run across several people who do use it, but certainly it's being updated, new version just came out recently and subversions tend to be every two weeks to a month with the latest versionn. That's actually one other reason xp is becoming inconvenient since the last three major sn releases have been for windows 7 and above, with more emphasis on windows 10, and one reason I'm getting dolphin to build and configure the thing for me since I'm not sure where all the config options are in windows 10 and it's been hard enough to get my lady's win 7 machine to behave, (plus as I said, I hate outlook and think the mail ap will be better). I take the point about avg though, while 2015 was workable it was hardly ideal and if 2016 has gone worse maybe it's time I changed assuming windows defender doesn't cause problems. The one thing I do want to do is install all my own data in terms of documents, music, favourite etc, indeed as I've asked previously if anyone can tell me where the favourites folder for ie11 is on windows 10 I'd like to know, hopefully this uac thing isn't going to cause trouble getting there since I do tend to like to mess about with my favourites, create new subfolders for various interests, move things around etc. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290825#p290825 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret ahh ... I just assumed it wasn't updated because I've Heard of ... only one, a certain mister Dark, that uses it.I wouldn't be concerned about what to remove and what to set up ... most things can probably be customised to your liking and those that can't ... well I use the OS as it is pretty much and it works here, it's a bit different ... but it's not unusable.Heck, I was even brave enough to use Edge which actually ... can be used but ... it's not Always convenient so now I use firefox instead. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290821#p290821 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @Slender, Nope, I wasn't referring to the name of God in Islam, (which has a double L), but the expresssion A la, derived from the French meaning "in the style of", see This entry on wiktionary for the details. @Pitermach, good to know. I might try with program files first off just to check how it works, I just heard a lot about the restrictions in windows 10, and since I tend to do a lot of messing around in program folders I did wonder, if necessary i can always do as I have on xp and install programs in another location. Hmmm, Lord Lundin, I'm a bit confused where you get the idea that supernova isn't updated or hasn't been updated, indeed it's view said offer for updates that I'm getting version 16 in the first place. Some programs it works less well with like any screen reader, though the majority of native windows things have always been fine even if there isn
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Well, on the point of accessibility, I don't think Narator will be able to replace any loyal screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA. It's years behind them and those years cannot be turned into months and thus completed all the steps of accessibility standards in one year. However, I like Microsoft's commitment to accessibility, which finally shaped for the better. We've not seen only improvements to Narrator, but office package has become more accessible on Windows as well as iOS. Personally, I don't see this as "market technique", since I do not really believe that services to a small community such as visually impaired people are a striking profit to this company.Anyway, I will go on not prefering Windows 10 for two reasons. First of all, it is complexity and the wealthy content on this system which cause confusion to a lot of people, and the second is screen reader-friendliness. Both most popular screen readers (JAWS and NVDA) fail to read notifications properly. Sometimes they will read notifications, but sometimes they will not. Also, these screen readers become sluggish in some areas such as File Explorer (formerly known as Windows Explorer), startscreen, (start menu), all programs, where you will find difficulties browsing items, as well as finding items/elements by letter.I have found some methods to avoid some problems, particularly file explorer which I have turned into the traditional view of Windows 8.1 which is fairly similar to the view of windows 7. Also, I have installed classic shell which is the equivalent start menu of Windows 7 that takes away ribbons, live tyles, suggestions, recommendations from microsoft, as well as any type of visual content that appears there in the start screen. Something else I have done to prevent the installation of new recommended apps on my system, is simply the removal of Microsoft Store . . . after all, I won't be using any apps that are found in the Microsoft store because, either they will be unfriendly to screen readers, or I will feel more pleased to use them on my smartphone. I use my computer mostly for studying purposes, reading books or listening to music as well as writing down any piece of information I need at hand. I strongly recommend you guys, do not sync or associate your Microsoft Account with any site such as facebook or twitter because you will be damned by countless notifications that appear. Not only will they consume more power, but they also will distract you while working. Another alternative at this point would be to use your computer as a local user, which does not involve adding a Microsoft account as you would normally do on Android or iOS.There is a great option inside the action centre, which is a combination of Control centre and notification centre on iOS which I particularly like. It is called quite hours. If you enable this setting, you will not receive any notifications from any of the installed app s, or from Windows itself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290815#p290815 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Well, on the point of accessibility, I don't think Narator will be able to replace any loyal screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA. It's years behind them and those years cannot be turned into months and thus completed all the steps of accessibility standards in one year. However, I like Microsoft's commitment to accessibility, which finally shaped for the better. We've not seen only improvements to Narrator, but office package has become more accessible on Windows as well as iOS. Personally, I don't see this as "market technique", since I do not really believe that services to a small community such as visually impaired people are a striking profit to this company.Anyway, I will go on not prefering Windows 10 for two reasons. First of all, it is complexity and the wealthy content on this system which cause confusion to a lot of people, and the second is screen reader-friendliness. Both most popular screen readers (JAWS and NVDA) fail to read notifications properly. Sometimes they will read notifications, but sometimes they will not. Also, these screen readers become sluggish in some areas such as File Explorer (formerly known as Windows Explorer), startscreen, (start menu), all programs, where you will find difficulties browsing items, as well as finding items/elements by letter.I have found some methods to avoid some problems, particularly file explorer which I have turned into the traditional view of Windows 8.1 which is fairly similar to the view of windows 7. Also, I have installed classic shell which is the equivalent start menu of Windows 7 that takes away ribbons, suggestions, recommendations from microsoft, as well as any type of visual content that appears there in the start screen. Something else I have done to prevent the installation of new recommended apps on my system, is simply the removal of Microsoft Store . . . after all, I won't use any apps that are found in the Microsoft store because, ei ther they will be unfriendly to screen readers, or I will feel more pleased to use them on my smartphone. I use my computer mostly for studying purposes, reading books or listening to music as well as writing down any piece of information that I need at hand. I strongly recommend you guys, do not sync or associate your Microsoft Account with any site such as facebook or twitter because you will be damned by countless notifications that appear. Not only will they consume more battery, but they also will distract you while working. Another alternative at this point would be to use your computer as a local user, which does not involve adding a Microsoft account as you would normally do on Android or iOS.There is a great option inside the action centre, which is a combination of Control centre and notification centre on iOS which I particularly like. It is called quite hours. If you enable this setting, you will not receive any notifications from any of the installed apps, or from Windows itself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290815#p290815 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret well dark I don't see people bashing on supernova but from what I've seen so far it looks like a very old screenreader that's not getting any more updates due to how unpopular it is --- and for that reason we are of course going to recommend NVDA or Jaws because they have actually been working to update each respective screen reader to work as smoothly as possible with Windows 10.In computer related things, conservativity (or whatever the heck you'd call that) is ... not a good thing! Nothing stays the same, well other than the next 20 iPhone "generations" but that's Another topic to make fun of entirely.You could of course say meh let me be conservative for all I'm Worth and stick with XP ... but as you can tell that's not going to hold out in the long run, even if you didn't play games (which so now happens to be the case), but at some Point your computer will crash and there'll be no Windows XP left to install . ..That's why I did what I did, I Went from XP to Windows 7 (let's all try to forget that thing called Windows Vista in the middle *vomits*)And now when I got a new machine it came with Windows 10 preinstalled, which ... is a huge step to take since I never used anything later than 7 up til now. Honestly though, if I had kept using Windows XP I would most likely have your complaints too Dark, so that's why I strongly recommend that you keep somewhat up to date with new technology ... at least to a reasonable extent. That doesn't mean you have to jump like a Tech freak on the latest service pack (are there even such things anymore?) ... but if I am to be frank and honest, I hope you don't take offense to this but you probably will but this needs to be said --- your wining about being convenient with sticking with old and familiar things is definitely understandable (heck I was the same way when I switched to Vista (which is pretty much like 7)) ... but I'd Think that an inteligent person such as yourself would realize that the line of reasoning about this matter is just ... bluntly put, plane stupid. --- to finish this rather nasty, but truthful rant, let me Point out something obvious ... but it's so obvious in fact that it might be overlooked.Next sunday, the first day of 2017 starts, and you, Dark, you are still using Windows XP in a computerised World that's rappidly growing and being a bigger and bigger part of our society. Not only this, but you also are very apprehensive to leave supernova behind. In 2013, I got my bootcamped Windows on my iMac, and I had no Jaws which is what I had been using all my Life. I sucked it up, learned it and still argued that Jaws was the supperior screen reader for a whie (I'm still annoyed at NVDA on websights but ... that's not for this discussion). Eventually, it grew integrated with my every day Life. I listened to Music, wrote essays, s ent emails, used a callender and Everything else a 16 year old student would do on any computer. It wasn't a horrible transician. It was just a transician.Rant over --- sorry if I came across as harsch but I 'd asay that is needed in this case, haha. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290811#p290811 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Absolutely. No one is stopping you from going into Program Files, or installing applications under different folders (in fact, if you do then Windows won't block programs from writing to them.Program Files is considered to be a system folder. You can still get into it as well as view and open files. If you create or paste a new one, then you will just get a warning from explorer that you need to be an administrator to move things around but you always get a continue button. For applications they can see files in it if they're not an admin, they just can't change them. If there's something that you need to allow messing with Program Files then you simply tell Windows to always run it as an administrator which I explained a few posts back. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290802#p290802 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Ala? Uh, Dark? What's with the conversion to Islam? I thought you weren't religious, or am I wrong on that? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290801#p290801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Okay well this is a can of worms. I will ask people to please not turn this topic into a "lets all bash people who don't use nvda" type of affair, since that's not what I wanted to ask here, I was interested in windows 10 itself and how it worked, not in the possible inequities of supernovaI will say supernova does! work with the mail ap, which is something I confirmed with dolphin, which is likely good enough for me given that outlook is a pain in the arse, likewise, one way to get around the sidebar downloads issue with ie 11 is simply to do "save target" One question I do have is about uac and program files, since yes, you do! need to edit program files occasionally, look at swamp key bindings. I've personally never liked using "My documents" as a store for things that aren't documents, much less entire program files. In xp I created a specific install location for games etc called fun program file s on the C drive, the same way I created a music folder. I could get used to using the program files folder directly, just as I could get used to using the music folder, similarly with music, but I would prefer to be able to have the option to go into program files and look at program folders once installed, eg, if I need to alter swamp config or backup packs for rythm rage, or install text games or the like. As I said, I can probably get used to putting things in different places, but I would like the option to look at program files if I need to. This also goes for actually accessing the favourites folder in internet explorer so I can make changes, backup my favourites etc. As to it not being like xp, well that is inevitable, but it's a question of how much trouble it gives me doing the stuff I want to do and how much I'm locked into doing things in the way microsoft insists I do them. For example, I personally like to have things organized in lo ts of folders and sub folders and have information there to review rather than relying on "most recently used" or "most recommended" etc, and don't like having to sift through massive amounts of info on a ridiculously complex interface ala facebook or itunes, hence why i hate those bastard ribbons. Similarly, I like to know where things are and where I put them. I'm hoping that I can crowbar something usable out of windows 10, hence the questions on folder locations, uac etc. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290797#p290797 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Plus, if narator gets to the point where we can do independent installs, well, i'll just bootcamp my mac, and wipe the osx partition lol. Seriusly, i think we will get to the point where the operating system isn't the issue, it will just be a matter of brand loyalty, apple, or microsoft. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290794#p290794 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret It's sad to see ...I know some people who still use Supernova and they end up thinking a lot of applications are very inaccessible, while it is actually Supernova lagging behind that is causing the problems.Thing is, not everyone is willing to ditch it it and learn a new screenreader unless they are forced to, and I am guessing being forced to switch screenreaders for the sake of change would cause peeps to stick to older software to prevent that from happening for as long as possible. Is that a maintainable strategy? Course not. At some point, you'll be jumping through more hoops to keep things the same than you would if you would pick up a new screenreader, but the psychology behind that one is rather tricky URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290778#p290778 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret I believe so. My guess is Dolphin is just keeping it working for the few people that still use it who in term don't need or possibly don't know any better. I know 3 people that use Super Nova now. Dark is one, then there's Andre Louis who also tought himself NVDA if something breaks, and James Bowden who works at Dolphin. If you go on the Dolphin site and look at the "changelog" for Version 16, there really isn't much to look at. They only advertise that they now have a new Dolphin Pen with enhanced magnification which doesn't need administrator rights to run, plus the redesigned control panel. Do you seee what's missing here? Any mention of bug fixes or improvements to screen reading.Before I'm accused of bashing or starting an SR flame war, I'm not trying to. Though I have to wonder how long Dolphin can keep this up before they lose any users they may have left. Microsoft is only going to speed up the rate they chan ge Windows and sooner or later Internet explorer will reach end of life. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290777#p290777 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Yes, I think it probably doesn't support chrome too. Which is actually very, very bad since chrome has about 60% market share. Does it really just support internet explorer and a 5-year old firefox version? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290771#p290771 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret I have no idea ... Since Google Chrome only recently started working at a to me high enough productive level, and that only in the Canary builds, I would be very, very surprised if Supernova plays nice with it. As in ...'Huh? The world is now triangular?" surprised URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290770#p290770 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @ZersiaxI did say that in post 14, is a confusing post though, should have structured it better.And does anyone know if supernova, now called screenreader supports google chrome?Can't find anything about it URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290767#p290767 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Windows 10 is a bit different ... but what the heck, you get used to it.It's not worse than any other operating systems ... sure some things aren't accessible but as far as being a "huge step backwards" I'd humbly like to disagree. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290765#p290765 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret One uninstalls the pre-installed apps using CCleaner.@Griff, let me know when you need the tips, and since it is the holiday season, I will have more time to write and explain. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290763#p290763 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @roelNope, editing system files will still be problematic with UAC turned off. This should barely ever be required and when it is, you would run some kind of editor in admin mode and do it from there. which, funnily enough, would trigger UAC once mainly @chris, but also @others Honestly, programs really shouldn't even ever need to write to program files. Program files is for ...ya know ...program files If a program needs to persist data, it should do it in the user's apData folder. Which is ...ironically ...where an app can store it's data This co nvention has been there for at least 13 years and if you run apps that don't adhere to it , the devs of these apps should really get their act together UAC can be disabled, like Pitermach says, by nulling the notification level in settings. A reason why you might NOT want to do this, ever, is because malware will often trigger UAC as well before it gets really nasty. Especially with the sorry state of antivirus accessibility, you just might want to keep the protection it grants and live with the very occasional alt+y keypress which should only really happen if you install something, run something as admin or perform an operation that modifies something important. Would you rather allow for regedit to be run when you do that yourself once a year, or would you rather allow some script that came with a perfectly harmless software download to change your start page to www.ChinesehackersRule.com and send your mom all of your private skype chats while it's at it? If you were to kill UAC completely using a registry hack, yup you would pretty much nuke all the modern apps out there. And before peeps say that would be a g doo thing, that includes the Settings app which is kinda important You are stating Apple got it right when it comes to not needing scripts, could you expand on that? @gryffindorCopying a file should not trigger UAC, nor should launching a program if it's not running as admin. Sounds like you have a bit of a config issue there my friend Your privacy concerns are valid but a lot of the stuff you can actually selectively turn off in the Settings app. As long as you keep that in mind you should be fine Also, 5 points to gryffindor for upgrading for the heck of it Not sure what's causing your sluggishness, could be the fact you upgraded or something else entirely like the Apple bootcamp drivers. Did you get the anniversary update yet? Or even better, you might want to hop into the insiders program and join the slow ring if you feel adventurous URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290761#p290761 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret At this point, UAC really isn't an issue. And for the occasional program where it is you can just go into the properties for the file and tell it to always run as administrator on the compatibility tab. There's 2 ways of turning off UAC. The first is setting the notification level to 0 in the UAC settings which is the Microsoft recommended option. This doesn't turn UAC off, it just always grants permissions to a program if it asks for it without asking you first (so basically it works as if you hit yes every time an UAC prompt popped up.) 99.9% of the time this will be fine, and if you need to edit something in program Files you will still be able to you'll just get an administrator warning. In the background UAC is doing a lot of permission management that you won't notice but many newer parts of the OS need. So the second way of turning UAC off is by editting the registry to really turn it off, but this will disable many parts of the system, most new fea tures, no modern app will start, there also might be issues with updates (which may just quietly turn it back on without you realising). Bottom line, set the slider to 0, and if you think an app isn't running right, go to its properties and check the "run as administrator" box on the compatibility tab for that program.A note on Anti-viruses, I remember you are a die hard AVG user. I'm not sure if Dolphin told you this, but newer versions of AVG are considerably less accessible than the one you had on XP. They are currently testing an even newer UI which is currently completely inaccessible which is currently in a limited staged rollout test, and even the current stable 2016 version is inaccessible if it detects a threat as it blocks keyboard input so Screen readers don't even detect keys pressed and stop reading and the focus is locked in the AVG window until you react to the warning. The state of AV accessibility is in general very sad and Windows De fender is one of the very few fully accessible options.If you don't need much out of your E-mail app, the new Mail app will be fine though I don't think you can import OE messages from it. The message list is threaded by conversation and Microsoft made sure to indicate if messages are unread or not, and this is without any screen-reader specific scripts. It also offers a 2-3 line message preview right in the list, so in many cases you won't even have to open a message to figure out if you want to read it as the Screen Reader will read the first few lines as you move down the list. You may also have to press F7 once to enable caret browsing the first time you open a message so you can read it with arrow keys, this setting is remembered so you should only have to do this once.I wonder what the state of Super Nova and modern app support is. NVDA, Narrator and JAWS have got this down for the most part. The last time I tried super nova, which was back in 2013 it didn't seem to work well with anything other than classic Microsoft apps and looking at tweets where the newest best feature of SN16 is a redesigned control panel, I'm not sure how much things improved there. The last version of Firefox, and Thunderbird it supported was 3.6. Which now is about 5 years old. So if the Mail app doesn't work well for you your only other option will be Office Outlook or learning NVDA as a secondary Screen Reader for these kind of situations. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290756#p290756 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Hello,How does one uninstall the preinstalled apps? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290751#p290751 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Ahoy allIronicly enough I just upgraded to win10 on my bootcamp which was running 8.1 there was no reason to, I just did it for the heck of it.Maybe its the upgrade and a clean install as dark is likely to get will be different, but its kinda slow. things aren't as smooth as 8.1 was,and afrin, I could certainly use your suggestions/tipsTo people saying UAC isn't a big deal,and you can just press alt y or shit to get rid of the dialogue, I say it is a problem in that its a pain in the arse and a additional keystroke everytime anything at all happensbe it copying a file,launching a program file and so on. I say why, why do I need to press that alt y if even that. it makes me go crazy,and so as soon as I reinstall or install a copy of windows, UAC is the very first thing I turn off.You don't need to muck about with registries a nd the like all you need for getting rid of the annoying dialogues is to go to UAC in the control panel and slide the slider to 0.The UAC isn't really needed as long as you are careful with what you are doing and use common sense when it comes to installing softwares or the like on your pc.I agree,turning off windows defender is or would be a bad idea unless you are running another antivirusAnd ribbons sure anything can be adapted to that is learned as long as you put in efforts to go along with the thing, but I personally find menubars or the traditional menus much more eazier to use and explore when you are learning what's where as compared to the ribbons.Good luck dark on your win10 machine, its sure to be a great change from xp, but in time you get used to things. and things like the clasic shell make things slightly easier to cope with.As to windows updates, it gets slightly anoying when or if you have it set to automatic and it just does its thing and restarts upon you or prompts you to restart again and again.Not to mention the bandwidth being used when you are doing other things I.E on a network 2 different devices using the same internet access and windows updates slowing shit down.There's also now a privicy concern with win10 where windows tends to moniter everything from what apps you use how often you use it,installs stuff on your pc without permission, and so on.I read about it ages ago so I am a bit wague on the exact details.Narrator has indeed made huge progress from 7 to 10 and its quite surprising and good to see it so,I' am also excited for the update coming out in march, I hope it'll bring indipendence at last. But lets see how that goes.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290739#p290739 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Ahoy allIronicly enough I just upgraded to win10 on my bootcamp which was running 8.1 there was no reason to, I just did it for the heck of it.Maybe its the upgrade and a clean install as dark is likely to get will be different, but its kinda slow. things aren't as smooth as 8.1 was,and afrin, I could certainly use your suggestions/tipsTo people saying UAC isn't a big deal,and you can just press alt y or shit to get rid of the dialogue, I say it is a problem in that its a pain in the arse and a additional keystroke everytime anything at all happensbe it copying a file,launching a program file and so on. I say why, why do I need to press that alt y if even that. it makes me go crazy,and so as soon as I reinstall or install a copy of windows, UAC is the very first thing I turn off.You don't need to muck about with registries a nd the like all you need for getting rid of the annoying dialogues is to go to UAC in the control panel and slide the slider to 0.I aree,turnin off windows defender is or would be a bad idea unless you are runnin another antivirus URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290739#p290739 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Dark, I strongly recommend that you re-enable Windows Defender. It is an antivirus program, but it will not get in your way at all. It stays out of the way monitoring things until it is needed. Because it is created by Microsoft, it will not do what other certain other antivirus programs do--namely, install extra junk on your computer. It is also very accessible. I think that you should at least give it a try.As for Mail programs, I recommend the new Windows 10 Mail app, or you can try Outlook by just pressing keystrokes, not using the tab key, the ribbon, etc.All of the file/folder manipulation things you were able to do in XP should all be possible in Windows 10.I have been using Windows 10 for nearly a year, and I am definitely not turning back. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290695#p290695 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret [[wow]], Windows 10. It's been a long time since i've been deeply invested in the Windows world. I'm only turning my attention back to Windows with the latest Narrator enhancements coming in March which are fantastic. Windows 10 can be made a little better by installing things like Classic Shell. I did this on Windows 8.1 when I used that excuse of an operating system. UAC wouldn't be so much of a problem, except that it prevents programs from writing data to some system folders like program files. I don't think it's possible to disable UAC without the aid of a third party program or using some command line tool. Doesn't disabling UAC disable Windows apps like Mail? That may not be a big issue, since I probably wouldn't use most of the garbage MS ships in modern apps.Cortana is Microsoft's personal assistant. Think of it as their version of Siri. It will be able to do things like shutdown and restart your computer in the Creator u pdate. I'm looking forward to that. Siri on the Mac can't do that.I agree with the person that suggested Thunderbird. Outlook Express was cool, but I didn't appreciate having to manually enter server information. Windows access is finally moving forward and I'm incredibly happy. I don't know if I'll switch from using Mac, but I'll be putting the new Narrator through its paces when the Creator update comes out. There is no reason for us to pay for expensive screen readers like Super Nova or Jaws anymore when we have a combination of Narrator and NVDA. Maybe it might be for a few specific cases where scripts are required, but I've never liked the idea of scripts. Scripts are only temporary solutions to the problem. The app developer needs to implement proper access so that scripts are no longer needed now or in the future. That was the one thing Apple got right. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290693#p290693 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Regarding UAC, it is only a dialog box that pops up asking you if you would like to grant permition. It doesn't prevent you from accessing things like program files, but system files in C:\windows and such are not editable, this won't go away when turning UAC off in my experience. Also, Swamp and crazy party are portable games, so unless you place them in program files or something, you should have full access to the folder contents. if you *really* can't trade usability for security, you should probably create an administrator account and do all your stuff from there. You will avoid UAC all together, if I am not mistaken.Regarding edge, It's basically a new browser, ms are trying to step away from internet explorer's bad name. Ie11 works fine though and there shouldn't be any security issues. If you can't get yourself to use the new file download windows (I can't get used to them too) you can try firefox or chrome, I have no idea how the accessibility is with supernova, but firefox opens a dialog box when you hit a download link asking what you would like to do, and then the download will go into your library, accessible with ctrl + j, which is a list of downloads and more stuff like history.All of that said, you might want to consider this: if you want a windows xp-like interface, you are not going to have a good experience. Windows 10 is a pritty large jump from windows 7, which is a pritty large jump from windows xp. So you are really taking a leap here. It will probably be easier for you in the long run to use windows 10 as it was intended, in stead of really trying to get windows 10 as much xp like as possible like the admin account I discussed above. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290691#p290691 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Hmm,Well as I said I'm not sure about 2010, but 2016 works very well with the steps I described above. Replying is a matter of pressing ctrl+r, for example. If for whatever reason the calendar shows up, thats easily dismissed from the View tab on the ribbon. For as far as I know , you shouldn't have to though.And I just verified for you that pressing the applications key on a message definitely does show you the option to reply. So might be time to office as well URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290690#p290690 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret @Zersiax, my lady has outlook 2010 on her win 7 machine, and it seems utterly unreliable. Message don't display correcty, the ribbon has so much by way of options, heck even reading and replying to basic messages is difficult owing to the tab options not seeming to work correctly, even right click on messages doesn't give you sensible options such as replying, likewise there seems a hole bunch of other stuff from spellcheck to calenda to summary on screen that I just don't care about. This is why I'll probably look for a better mail program, even the default mail ap if it's as bare bones as the one on Ios and will work with my public mail address. I'm also rather sorry that contacts list is gone, since it was always a convenient way of writing emails rather than being a slave to the complexities of auto complete or having to trawl an entire address book.As regards Bsc titles, I don't care that much about classic troopanum or pipe, since neither really had much gameplay wise that wasn't expanded in the sequels, this is why I never bought either classic game even back in 2006 when Bsc was selling games. I may well want to play Hunter, Pipe 2 and Troopanum 2 at some point certainly, though there are other games I do need to investigate first and other programs such as Vipmud and Vlc I'm more concerned about that I know do work on windows 10, not to mention some newer games such as Manamon that I'd currently need to install on a Windows 7 machine to pla. I'm also wondering at the moment whether to continue running Winamp or try something like Foobar. Whether a program is supported doesn't bother me if it works, and I still do like winamp for most of my actual playing needs since it has such an uncluttered interface and convenient keys, not to mention plugins for game music formats I like.One thing I do wonder about is people's issue with microsoft update. How much really does it cause issues? I had updates running on xp perminantly right up until support was dropped. I do understand the problem on windows 7-9, given that it tries to update to windows 10, but what is the problem in windows 10 itself? My main concern is access to various things on computer, eg, the configuration files inside program files if I want to for example edit Swamp's key bindings, add some rythm rage packs or save my crazy party save file somewhere, not to mention the fact that I tend to use an external drive to hold all my audiobooks and other stuff, since I gather the harddrive is far more restrictive in windows 10 (one reason I want uac off).I'm not exactly sure what cortana or edge are. Edge I gather is an alternative browser, though why it's needed I'm not exactly certain since ie 11 seems to work, although I don't like what it does with side bars and file downloads. Likewise, in terms of newer applicat ions, I'll wait and see. Dolphin are doing compatibility updates with sn 16 at the moment so I'm not as worried with compatibility with native windows aps, though how useful they might be I don't know (I will have no use at all for a sport ap for example). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290685#p290685 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret ey Dark, do you still play BSC titles: URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290680#p290680 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret oh ...uhm ..ignore that. For some reason that page was still open on an internal server error and it posted this again when I refreshed. Sorry URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290679#p290679 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret I honestly think people are way too apprehensive about this whole thing...Way back when Windows 10 was still future speak I joined the insider program. Barring a few temporary issues, that was pretty usable already. Keep in mind I say usable, not productive. But then again Mac OS X is in the same boat and people seem to accept that just fine, so I guess usable should be good enough.When , last year, it was released, most of the things that would scare peeps away from it were already fixed. Sure, edge was inaccessible, but internet explorer was still there so if you didn't want to run into that, all you had to do was not use it.Fast forward to August this year and a lot of other stuff was fixed, Edge is at least usable with Narrator now and now I'm talking about Narrator anyway, the progress that was made on that front since Windows 7 is pretty staggering. Heck, we're getting braille support and talking installs next year, and thats all built into the Windows experience on any machine.I can definitely say not everything works the way I like it, especially the settings app could do with a few changes that would increase productivity a lot, but I hear folks say its a huge accessibility step back, that its bad or problematic, I am just not seeing it.Don't like Edge? Fine, don't use it. Don't like the new universal apps? Fine, don't use them.As for email, I am not familiar with how Supernova works with it since I can't stand working with that screenreader for any length of time, but Outlook 2016 at least is very usable with NVDA. I use it to handle my work email all the time and rarely have issues that get in my way.Not sure if Outlook Express content can be migrated to MS Outlook; I seem to remember having read an email thread about this a few days back and IIRC there were definitely ways of pulling that off, google is your friend Finally let me ask a question about this aversion a lot of people seem to have about the ribbons in File Explorer. I definitely agree ribbons are a productivity hit, that is , until you learn the hotkey patterns to get to the options you want. Its a few more keypresses, but not by much. All that aside though, what do you guys even use the file explorer ribbon for?You can get to a file's properties with alt+enter, copy and paste with ctrl+c and ctrl+v, creating a new folder has a hotkey assigned to it as well and the rare few times you will want to change folder options or connect to a network drive you can bring up the ribbon and do that. What am I missing in regards to this since I really am not seeing what the big deal is about? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290677#p290677 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Hey Dark,Mind if I ask you a few questions? You wrote:"I hate hate hate hate! outlook. too much crap on the screen, not enough sensible options, "For as far as I am aware, Outlook 2016 has a number of larger agreas on the screen, namely the list of mail folders, the list of messages in the current folder, the message preview, the ribbon and the search box.Again, this is from me using NVDA, but when I start Outlook 2016 focus automatically lands on the list of messages. When I come across a message I want to read, I press enter on it and focus lands on the message area so I can read it. From there, I can either press ctrl+r to respond or ctrl+f to forward. If I don't want to read a message altogether and want to get rid of it, I can press my delete key.If I have read a message and want to take no action, I can just escape out of the message and go back to the list. As you can see, I barely ever leave the message list in the main window, in fact I really only do that to go to the search box which is a single tab away. When I type my search term and press enter, focus shifts back to the message list which then holds the search results. If I want to go back to the unfiltered list, I clear the text in the searchbox.Where exactly is it you are getting lost in the , according to you, large amount of crap on the screen, and what 'sensible' options are you missing?Haha also, I can definitely see your furstration with iTunes and Facebook, those two interfaces are very good examples of 'too much crap on one screen' in my opinion Please don't get me wrong, I am not bashing you, I am genuinely curious what you are running into URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290674#p290674 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Well first Ribbon disabler is something I'll probably look into. Likewise, I'll probably try the default male ap first, since I hate hate hate hate! outlook. too much crap on the screen, not enough sensible options, hell I did run across a freeware version of outlook express which might well do the job if I can run the thing. Thunderbird was okay last I tried it, though again far too much on the signal to noise ratio and far too much I had to hunt for. This is generally the thing I've noticed with modern interfaces from Itunes to facebook not to mention ribbons, doable yes, but just extra hassle that doesn't need to be there, not compared to xp where everything simply works logically since you can pear down most interfaces to just the stuff you want. Either way we'll see. I don't know which aps I'll keep or chuck, sport will definitely go, though weather could actually be useful, I'll probably just try them and find out. Likewise, I'll likely be asking about compatibility fixes for several programs, though a lot seems to be possible between the kitchinsinc installer and Aprone's vb6 checks. It'll probably mean a january of tinkering and customization methinks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290669#p290669 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret I honestly think people are way too apprehensive about this whole thing...Way back when Windows 10 was still future speak I joined the insider program. Barring a few temporary issues, that was pretty usable already. Keep in mind I say usable, not productive. But then again Mac OS X is in the same boat and people seem to accept that just fine, so I guess usable should be good enough.When , last year, it was released, most of the things that would scare peeps away from it were already fixed. Sure, edge was inaccessible, but internet explorer was still there so if you didn't want to run into that, all you had to do was not use it.Fast forward to August this year and a lot of other stuff was fixed, Edge is at least usable with Narrator now and now I'm talking about Narrator anyway, the progress that was made on that front since Windows 7 is pretty staggering. Heck, we're getting braille support and talking installs next year, and thats all built into the Windows experience on any machine.I can definitely say not everything works the way I like it, especially the settings app could do with a few changes that would increase productivity a lot, but I hear folks say its a huge accessibility step back, that its bad or problematic, I am just not seeing it.Don't like Edge? Fine, don't use it. Don't like the new universal apps? Fine, don't use them.As for email, I am not familiar with how Supernova works with it since I can't stand working with that screenreader for any length of time, but Outlook 2016 at least is very usable with NVDA. I use it to handle my work email all the time and rarely have issues that get in my way.Not sure if Outlook Express content can be migrated to MS Outlook; I seem to remember having read an email thread about this a few days back and IIRC there were definitely ways of pulling that off, google is your friend Finally let me ask a question about this aversion a lot of people seem to have about the ribbons in File Explorer. I definitely agree ribbons are a productivity hit, that is , until you learn the hotkey patterns to get to the options you want. Its a few more keypresses, but not by much. All that aside though, what do you guys even use the file explorer ribbon for?You can get to a file's properties with alt+enter, copy and paste with ctrl+c and ctrl+v, creating a new folder has a hotkey assigned to it as well and the rare few times you will want to change folder options or connect to a network drive you can bring up the ribbon and do that. What am I missing in regards to this since I really am not seeing what the big deal is about? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290659#p290659 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Just out of curiocity, why are you turning uac off, and windows defender too?UAC only requires that you press alt + y before giving a program complete access to your system, which might be a good thing. That way, you have some control over what programs do on your pc, instead of just hoping for the best. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290656#p290656 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret If Windows 7 turned on a little faster, I would hold on to it for the next 100 years or so.My current laptop I use is a very nice one with great specs, and it is built-in with windows 10 home edition.If only you knew how many hours have I spent customising it to my like.I have deleted almost 20 built-in apps worth mentioning here: weather, swei, sports, music, videos, photos, contacts, contact manager, mobile association, Windows Mail, one note, and more.Also I have had the need to install classic shell, winamp, Windows essentials, and some other applications I need because the apps that come pre-installed just do not do the job or are simply inaccessible or impractical.Have needed to disable lockscreen, Windows update (under services) because Windows's policy on updating his operating system far outweighs the privacy terms.Not to forget, I disabled location, windows feedback, stopped Cortana getting to know me, disallowed Windows to store my passwords, typing information, account information, and so on and so forth. I just don't need them.Now, if you can cope with all this crap, good luck. I am ready to help anyone who is corageous to do it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290650#p290650 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret may have to do that in the not too distant future, but for the time being, holding on to windows 7 and watching topics like this one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290633#p290633 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Hey dark,Glad to know you're trying it out at last. If you don't like the Ribbon style menus, there is a third party tool that you can download called Ribbon Disabler, which does exactly what it says in its name. Similarly if you don't like automatically updating, there's a tool for fixing that problem too. I strongly recommend Mozilla Thunderbird as a mail client in general. I also can tell you that with some small tweeks, I have made every game that I once played on Windows 7 to work on 10, except the really old old classic Trupanum which only works on XP. If there's any more questions you have, feel free to post! I am very obliged to help you make a smooth transition. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290624#p290624 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret
Re: Windows 10, hopefully a decision I won't regret Hey dark,Glad to know you're trying it out at last. If you don't like the Ribbon style menus, there is a third party tool that you can download called Ribbon Disabler, which does exactly what it says in its name. Similarly if you don't like automatically updaing, there's a tool for fixing that problem too. I strongly recommend Mozilla Thunderbird as a mail client in general. I also can tell you that with some small tweeks, I have made every game that I once played on Windows 7 to work on 10, except the really old old classic Trupanum which only works on XP. If there's any more questions you have, feel free to post! I am very obliged to help you make a smooth transition. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=290624#p290624 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
