[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
P Floding;153348 Wrote: There is no pretty much rejection -either source jitter is rejected or it isn't. When you can tell me what PSRR stands for, I'll get back into this conversation (maybe). Until then, you can parse the words any way you want. It doesn't change the bottom line, which is that using AD1896 is one of the best methods for jitter attenuation (o.k.?) short of synching clocks to the transport. This is just a fact, and there is no need to belabor the point further. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
ezkcdude;153380 Wrote: When you can tell me what PSRR stands for, I'll get back into this conversation (maybe). Until then, you can parse the words any way you want. It doesn't change the bottom line, which is that using AD1896 is one of the best methods for jitter attenuation (o.k.?) short of synching clocks to the transport. This is just a fact, and there is no need to belabor the point further. For those who want to learn more about how asynchronous sample rate conversion (ASRC) is done, and why it is so good at rejecting jitter, there's a great tutorial from a couple of years ago over at diyaudio: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=28814perpage=10pagenumber=1 Power Supply Rejection Ratio? Anyway, what sort of an argument are you putting forward? I'm right so I'm right.. I've read very knowledgable people claim that ASRC embeds the jitter in the new upsampled stream. I've read a fair bit of information technology, and the reasoning behind this conlusion seemed perfectly reasonable to me. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Just how good are modified squeezeboxes??
stevo;153350 Wrote: Barry It would be nice to know where you would rank the Transporter in your review. regards Steve I haven't gotten the Transporter yet. But I have listened to the Transporter analog out vs the Bolder Modded SB2 analog out at the RMAF, and to my ears, the Bolder SB2 has sharper image, more refinement from top to bottom. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25988 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
P Floding;153399 Wrote: Power Supply Rejection Ratio? Anyway, what sort of an argument are you putting forward? I'm right so I'm right.. I've read very knowledgable people claim that ASRC embeds the jitter in the new upsampled stream. I've read a fair bit of information technology, and the reasoning behind this conlusion seemed perfectly reasonable to me. You may be reading, but you are not understanding, or you're just being stubborn. My point about PSRR is that rejection does not have to be all or nothing. It can be quantified. AD1896 rejects practically all of the jitter on the input. Yes, you can always argue that it's not complete rejection. That is correct, but it's just so misleading to say it embeds jitter in the output signal. That makes it sound as if it is done intentionally. Maybe that is what you think, I don't know. What really bothers me is that the truthiness of your comments are likely (nay, typically) enough to convince ~90% of wannabe audiophiles to spend thousands of unecessary dollars. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
ezkcdude;153406 Wrote: You may be reading, but you are not understanding, or you're just being stubborn. My point about PSRR is that rejection does not have to be all or nothing. It can be quantified. AD1896 rejects practically all of the jitter on the input. Yes, you can always argue that it's not complete rejection. That is correct, but it's just so misleading to say it embeds jitter in the output signal. That makes it sound as if it is done intentionally. Maybe that is what you think, I don't know. What really bothers me is that the truthiness of your comments are likely (nay, typically) enough to convince ~90% of wannabe audiophiles to spend thousands of unecessary dollars. Rejection RATIO is, of course, something different to rejects. It's a numer. Doesn't imply infinite rejection, at all. On the contrary. Embedding of jitter is not done intentionally, neither is it something I have invented. It is, claims those who know a lot, a side effect of asynchronous sample rate conversion. ASRC is in effect a digital implementation of a D/A-A/D step. Such as step will pass jitter artifacts through, as you can imagine. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
Sorry, but I just cannot continue to argue with you (and your verizon-like army of experts). My good mood from last night is beginning to sour. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/08/slim-devices-transporter-reviewed/ Unfortunately engadget are now compounding the mediocre review, whether this results in lost sales is very debatable, but can't be good for the future of the Transporter. Lose the displays, handles and buttons, put in a cheaper alphanumeric display, apply heavy damping, drop the price and I suspect the reviews will be kinder. You *are* paying a lot for things that don't improve the sound IMHO. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
stevo;153275 Wrote: totoro Nice write up on Inguz room correction system. I just got some new speakers so I haven't run new sweeps just yet but I know that the system will benefit. Setting levels when doing the sweeps can be a little tricky. Also for those who want more info see: http://www.inguzaudio.com/ Stevo I think I might not have set my levels incorrectly, judging by how much lower in level the music is when equalized vs raw. Would this be an effect of that? Inguz is going to come check out the sound soon, so I should find out. I'm now enthusiastic enough about this stuff that I'm going to get my own measurement equipment, so I can redo the sweeps as I improve the room. :). -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
CardinalFang;153411 Wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/08/slim-devices-transporter-reviewed/ Unfortunately engadget are now compounding the mediocre review, whether this results in lost sales is very debatable, but can't be good for the future of the Transporter. They're just quoting the other review. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Trasporter display configuration - done much?
ModelCitizen;153357 Wrote: I'm not dead sure this is posible but have you tried installing Michael hergers great Biography and Album Review plugins? It'd be nice if the right hand screen could be used for scrolling? I'm sorry, but I _REALLY_ have no desire to read biographies, reviews, lyrics, sports scores, weather reports, stock quotes, or anything else for that matter, on my audio gear. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
ezkcdude;153412 Wrote: Sorry, but I just cannot continue to argue with you (and your verizon-like army of experts). My good mood from last night is beginning to sour. Jeezzz.. I really care a lot about keeping you in a good mood. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
ezkcdude;153415 Wrote: They're just quoting the other review. Exactly, and engadget is one of the most highly read tech sites out there. They have a fair amount of influence, perhaps not with audiophiles, but pretty soon it can become common knowledge that a product is mediocre unless some good reviews come along. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
P Floding;153416 Wrote: Jeezzz.. I really care a lot about keeping you in a good mood. P, one suggestion. Go to the diyhifi forum and see what happens when you make this argument there. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
totoro;153414 Wrote: I think I might not have set my levels incorrectly, judging by how much lower in level the music is when equalized vs raw. Would this be an effect of that? I don't think the level settings when you record the sweep have any effect on the volume after equalization, although I'm not certain. There's an overall gain adjustment which might be reponsible for that. It's in one of the config files (I unfortunately can't check which one from here), and the default is to lower the volume considerably so as to avoid clipping. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
ezkcdude;153422 Wrote: P, one suggestion. Go to the diyhifi forum and see what happens when you make this argument there. What argument? -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Any fellows SB3er using Icepower class D w/ BW speakers ?
dlite;153107 Wrote: I use a pair of Belcanto Ref1000's with the SB3 and now the transporter sounds great, running in to a pair of Zu Druid's. Also tried with Belcanto S300 and Nuforce REF9's (I am a Belcanto, Nuforce, Slim Devices and ZU dealer here in Australia). All amps are good the REF1000's are exceptional, the Nuforce Ref9's are pretty good too but the RFI interference is really bad on the REF9's. Michael I am hoping to also hear from someone who switched from good Solid State amps such as Pass/Classe/Krell...to the new Class D. I can certainly appreciate the cool running and efficiency of Icepower amps, but have yet to see a definitive review (can there ever be one?), if they are indeed the equal, I am willing to shed all those heat and weights! -- empty99 empty99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3488 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Trasporter display configuration - done much?
JJZolx;153417 Wrote: I'm sorry, but I _REALLY_ have no desire to read biographies, reviews, lyrics, sports scores, weather reports, stock quotes, or anything else for that matter, on my audio gear. Oh, OK. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
Thank you for the comments and the links ackcheng! While I wish the measuring equipment were less expensive, I am seriously considering DRC as my next upgrade. -- JohnnyLightOn JohnnyLightOn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=28 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Better sound with digital out. Why?
I'm running FLAC through a Squeezebox 2 into a pair of Paradigm Reference 100 V.2 speakers. I don't understand why I get vastly different sound depending on my hookup. For good sound I run the SB2 into my Yamaha R-V1105 via the digital optical output. The Yamaha serves as a preamp and I run RCA cables from the Yamaha into my NAD S200. If I want to wash out the bass I skip the preamp and run RCA cables directly from my SB2 into the NAD S200. I've also tried RCA out of the SB2 into the Yamaha with the same lousy result. I see the transporter as my next step up because I can run balanced inputs from the transporter directly to my NAD. However, I'm worried that after I spend the money, I'll get the same washed out bass that the direct RCA approach is giving me. What am I missing? -- beerbunny beerbunny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Trasporter display configuration - done much?
OK, so how about helping the nice developers by framing a coherent
enhancement request? I'm thinking specifically relating to the second
display...
As a starter, I think some of the confusion arises because of the way
the second display is supported. If I understand correctly, the core
slimserver code (together with firmware) has been minimally extended to
allow a few different uses for the second display, including (1)
visualisers and (2) extended text. But the core code doesn't as far as
I can see do anything with the extended text - that is left to the
MusicInfoScr plugin, which has been adapted so that all its previous
options are now available for both screens.
So far so good, but this doesn't add up to a coherent model for two
screens.
This is why, I think, I can't get the particular combination I was
looking for (second screen is analog VUs while playing/screensaver, but
extended text while in now playing mode).
How about we get to choose exactly what we want to see on each screen
in each of several modes? EG
Code:
Mode Left Screen Right Screen
===
power off pull down pull down
now playingpull down pull down
etc...
You'd need other choices, as we already have, to define what format you
wanted for titles etc.
The pull down options should include your favoured song title format,
the MUsicInfoScr plugin, and the various visualisers.
This clearly needs more specification work but is this the right line?
Ceejay
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
JohnnyLightOn;153445 Wrote: Thank you for the comments and the links ackcheng! While I wish the measuring equipment were less expensive, I am seriously considering DRC as my next upgrade. I just bought a new US-122L on ebay for $138 shipped, a $50 ecm8000, a $7 microphone cable, and a $20 microphone stand. So I'm into it for ~$225 shipped. This is a little less than the cost of a behringer 2496. My comments were meant as an addendum to the very good documentation inguz provided. I read his pages, and still made those boneheaded mistakes!:) -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
I quickly browsed the web page and was unclear about requirements. Does the plugin only run on a Slimserver running on Windows? Or, does the plugin run on a Linux Slimserver but the tools required to run the room correction utilities only run on Windows? Thanks. -CB -- ctbarker32 ctbarker32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
Thanks Gary. I'd forgotten that there was a differential for the difference in DAC's. I'm thinking of making a change to get the most from this setup (big DSP's as you know from t'other forum). I seem to recall you're going down the T+ route. Are you still using the SB+ currently? cheers -- ncpl ncpl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
ctbarker32;153470 Wrote: I quickly browsed the web page and was unclear about requirements. Does the plugin only run on a Slimserver running on Windows? Or, does the plugin run on a Linux Slimserver but the tools required to run the room correction utilities only run on Windows? Thanks. -CB The plugin uses a convolver written using .NET, so it's only windows (at least for now). You might be able to alter the plugin .pm file to use a different convolver: it basically sets up a pipeline of apps to use to convert files. -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
krochat;153240 Wrote: To answer this question - as far as I can tell there are a grand total of three manufacturers of properly designed DACs - Lavry, Benchmark, and the higher-end Dodsons. I'm pretty sure that there are lots of folks who own DACs that aren't properly designed - I'm one of them. To add another reason to my previous post - I have lots of 96x24 recording that would be downsampled to 48kHz on the SB3 that would play at 96kHz on the Transporter. Regards, Kim So are you saying there only 3 properly designed dacs? If all you read is this forum I can understand how you have come to that, IMO, mistaken opinion. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
beerbunny;153446 Wrote: I'm running FLAC through a Squeezebox 2 into a pair of Paradigm Reference 100 V.2 speakers. I don't understand why I get vastly different sound depending on my hookup. For good sound I run the SB2 into my Yamaha R-V1105 via the digital optical output. The Yamaha serves as a preamp and I run RCA cables from the Yamaha into my NAD S200. If I want to wash out the bass I skip the preamp and run RCA cables directly from my SB2 into the NAD S200. I've also tried RCA out of the SB2 into the Yamaha with the same lousy result. I see the transporter as my next step up because I can run balanced inputs from the transporter directly to my NAD. However, I'm worried that after I spend the money, I'll get the same washed out bass that the direct RCA approach is giving me. What am I missing? Are you sure you have switched off all sound processing on the Yamaha when doing the comparison? -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
totoro;153475 Wrote: The plugin uses a convolver written using .NET, so it's only windows (at least for now). .NET, eh? Presumably that explains why Inguz says it needs a 2GHz CPU. Has anyone ever seen a Windows port of BRUTEFIR? I've tried Googling for it, but no luck. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
rajacat;153476 Wrote: So are you saying there only 3 properly designed dacs? If all you read is this forum I can understand how you have come to that, IMO, mistaken opinion. Raja I thought he was being sarcastic. If not, I agree it's a mistake to claim there are any properly designed DAC's. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
cliveb;153478 Wrote: .NET, eh? Presumably that explains why Inguz says it needs a 2GHz CPU. Has anyone ever seen a Windows port of BRUTEFIR? I've tried Googling for it, but no luck. I haven't. You could try the cygwin/mingw route, I suppose. But if you're using windows, why not use the Inguz convolver? -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
ezkcdude;153480 Wrote: I thought he was being sarcastic. If not, I agree it's a mistake to claim there are any properly designed DAC's. Yeah, he must speaking sarcastically. Sometimes the praise of the almighty Lavry gets a little thick here. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
As far as I know there's no Windows version of brutefir (which is one reason I built this in the first place). For linux porting of the plugin, I did get as far as jotting down a few notes here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25381 -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
beerbunny;153446 Wrote: I'm running FLAC through a Squeezebox 2 into a pair of Paradigm Reference 100 V.2 speakers. I don't understand why I get vastly different sound depending on my hookup. For good sound I run the SB2 into my Yamaha R-V1105 via the digital optical output. The Yamaha serves as a preamp and I run RCA cables from the Yamaha into my NAD S200. If I want to wash out the bass I skip the preamp and run RCA cables directly from my SB2 into the NAD S200. I've also tried RCA out of the SB2 into the Yamaha with the same lousy result. I see the transporter as my next step up because I can run balanced inputs from the transporter directly to my NAD. However, I'm worried that after I spend the money, I'll get the same washed out bass that the direct RCA approach is giving me. What am I missing? I believe this has been covered elsewhere. The theory is that many consumer-level components convert analog to digital internally whether you want them to or not because it's easier and cheaper to process a signal (volume, tone, etc.) when it's digital rather than analog. So, when you connect your SB to your receiver with an analog cable, you are potentially converting digital to analog on the SB, then analog to digital at the preamp stage of the receiver and then digital to analog again at the output stage. That's a lot of converting, and maybe its munging things. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Trasporter display configuration - done much?
The way I look at it the diaplay is split into four segments (double line display is two). Excepting the Browse function I'd like to choose what appears in each display segment and what happens in a few moments in each display (if I should want anything to change, which I don't). Unfortunately the whole idea about the way it works at the moment seems a little arse about face. I understand exactly why this has come about though but think it is time to reassess the way the diplay processing works (expecially as I can't get the display to do exactly what I want and am sure it can do what I want). Using three (or more?) different SlimServer screens to program the display is not user-friendly. Only one screen (including sub-screens parhaps) should suffice and would be much more understandable. The SlimServer idea of a screensaver seems a bit redundant to me and could be dumped. One of the things that has contributed to the current confused state is the idea of plugins and how they have been integrated (or rather added in after the fact) I think. The Transporter's dual screen has made the e... organically-grown way the display programming works apparent. It is probably time to take a user-centric, or ergonomic view and redesign it appropriately. A friendlier MusicInfo seems the best place to start, all else could follow after that. The ability to chose whether the text in each screen segment scrolls or not would be useful too. I've previously written initial ramblings of how the display programming might work here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29084page=3 I'll give your suggestions, ceejay, some thought later but at this moment I am running up and down the stairs between PC and Transporter trying to get the display as I want it (not, not really). MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
beerbunny;153446 Wrote: I'm running FLAC through a Squeezebox 2 into a pair of Paradigm Reference 100 V.2 speakers. I don't understand why I get vastly different sound depending on my hookup. For good sound I run the SB2 into my Yamaha R-V1105 via the digital optical output. The Yamaha serves as a preamp and I run RCA cables from the Yamaha into my NAD S200. If I want to wash out the bass I skip the preamp and run RCA cables directly from my SB2 into the NAD S200. I've also tried RCA out of the SB2 into the Yamaha with the same lousy result. I see the transporter as my next step up because I can run balanced inputs from the transporter directly to my NAD. However, I'm worried that after I spend the money, I'll get the same washed out bass that the direct RCA approach is giving me. What am I missing? One more thing: If optical sounds better than RCAs in general it may be that you have ground loop problems. I.e equipment connected to wall outlets away from each other and then hooked up with interconnects. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
First, I am not using any type of signal processing with the Yamaha - tone controls neutral and effects off. Secondly, my point is that the best sound comes only when I use the optical out from the SB2 and the only way I can do this is through the Yamaha. If I run RCA out, it doesn't matter whether I run it through the Yamaha or run it direct to the NAD amp, I still lose some of the bass. What's so special about the digital optical out? -- beerbunny beerbunny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
beerbunny;153494 Wrote: First, I am not using any type of signal processing with the Yamaha - tone controls neutral and effects off. Secondly, my point is that the best sound comes only when I use the optical out from the SB2 and the only way I can do this is through the Yamaha. If I run RCA out, it doesn't matter whether I run it through the Yamaha or run it direct to the NAD amp, I still lose some of the bass. What's so special about the digital optical out? I use a Yamaha RX-V995a, and it seems like the DAC in the Yamaha is fairly good.. not all consumer components are total crap :) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Trasporter display configuration - done much?
ModelCitizen;153487 Wrote: I'll give your suggestions, ceejay, some thought later but at this moment I am running up and down the stairs between PC and Transporter trying to get the display as I want it (not, not really). MC I can recommend the Softsqueeze Transporter skin for experimenting of this kind! (Unless, of course, you need the exercise) Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
totoro;153481 Wrote: But if you're using windows, why not use the Inguz convolver? My Windows server is a 533MHz mini-ITX. If Inguz is correct about needing 2GHz (which I have no reason to doubt), it's a non-starter. The whole point of this server is to use as little power as possible, and it has to be Windows because it's also the household file/email/print server. (The irony is that I used to run Slimserver on a dedicated FreeBSD box. But seeing how it was consuming 70 watts 24/7, it had to go). -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
beerbunny;153446 Wrote: I see the transporter as my next step up because I can run balanced inputs from the transporter directly to my NAD. However, I'm worried that after I spend the money, I'll get the same washed out bass that the direct RCA approach is giving me. What am I missing? The Transporter has much better bass definition than the SB2 analog out... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WMPlayer / wma lossless - EAC / FLAC
Hiya, Any technical reasons (other than sound testing) why one should go the EAC / FLAC route rather than another way? Any comments much appreciated. Cheers :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: WMPlayer / wma lossless - EAC / FLAC
Sorry, done it the wrong way round, just searched and reading another thread now. Sorry can't see how to delete this one Ooops -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: WMPlayer / wma lossless - EAC / FLAC
OK Slight change in question - Technically is it better to rip using eac or wmplayer? Any comments on the For / Against appreciated. Cheers :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: WMPlayer / wma lossless - EAC / FLAC
EAC is definitely better. If your CDs are in pristine shape, you won't see the difference, but otherwise you will. EAC will protect you against the nasty and rather obvious pops and clicks that plague a lot of tracks ripped from CD. And sometimes the scratches are not terribly visible, so a visual inspection may not help you determine what condition your CDs are in. Go with EAC, because it's the only way to be sure. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Better sound with digital out. Why?
OK from your observations so far you seem to eliminated the NAD s200 as the influential factor. Why not take it out of the eqautions altogether (For testing) and connect the optical, coaxial AND RCA into the yamaha. Then do an A vs B vs C comparison using the same yammy power amp components. This will tell you where the issue is. Next run the Yammy pre-outs to the NAD and do the same. Let us know what you find. alex -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
ncpl;153471 Wrote: Thanks Gary. I'd forgotten that there was a differential for the difference in DAC's. I'm thinking of making a change to get the most from this setup (big DSP's as you know from t'other forum). I seem to recall you're going down the T+ route. Are you still using the SB+ currently? cheers Nick The SB+ is my primary source at the moment, digital out into the DAC section of my CD player, both of which are fed by a couple of power conditioners which make a huge difference. If Patrick still does home demo's on the SB+ it would be worth checking it out, especially in light of the feedback on the T+ so far, it's not looking too good, may end up keeping the SB+/CD(DAC) combo. Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
I think my TP sounds great. It's got 3 weeks constant play now I think it's as good or better than the Lavry. Everyday I like it more. I'm auditioning a Bolder SB/UltimatePS etc. in about a week and will post impressions then. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
tomjtx;153547 Wrote: I think my TP sounds great. It's got 3 weeks constant play now I think it's as good or better than the Lavry. Everyday I like it more. I'm auditioning a Bolder SB/UltimatePS etc. in about a week and will post impressions then. That's great that you arranged an audition of the Bolder mod SB plus the power supply. I will be interested in your impression. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
CardinalFang;153418 Wrote: Exactly, and engadget is one of the most highly read tech sites out there. They have a fair amount of influence, perhaps not with audiophiles, but pretty soon it can become common knowledge that a product is mediocre unless some good reviews come along. It's too bad, some of the commentators sound like idiots: what the hell is a 'word clock'? [Not that I know what it is either, but I do know such inputs are very, very rare, and virtually unheard-of in equipment at such a price level.] Two grand for an MP3 player? Mmmkay. sigh Google 'FLAC'. So, basically it's a $2k POS? Wonder what he's listening to? Bet it's not 1/4 as good. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
