Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Ned Ludd;203609 Wrote: It seems you discovered the problem. When I connected one end of a wire to the ground prong on the Nait power cord and touched the other end to the metal on the digital coax output the hum disappeared completely. The issue now is the best permanent solution. Should I connect a wire with an RCA jack to the Squeezebox digital coax output and connect the other end to the Nait's ground prong, or is there a better way? The interconnect from Squeezebox to Nait is a phono-to-DIN cable, right? Question: is the DIN plug a metal bodied one? (A lot of cables made for use with Naims have locking metal DIN plugs that can easily be opened up). If yours is like that type, then you might want to open it up and connect the centre pin to the metal body, which I'm assuming will be connected to the Nait's casework (and therefore be grounded). Alternatively, as Patrick suggested (and probably a less fiddly operation): you could open up the Nait itself and connect the centre pin of the input socket to the casework. There might even be a more convenient place on the main board to hook into the ground plane. Ideally you want to do this as an easily reversible mod. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
ceejay, mswlogo, Thank you for your answers. I assume that the reason of the different sound is caused by different parameters, but I don't know which parameter and which value. I'll tried to have the same configurations, but there are a lot of parameters, from disk access to CPU cache and so on, and I really don't know enough to have the same parameter values on different pcs and different operating systems. That is the reason why I ask for soemone with the same experiences here in this forum. cliveb, You mentionned a good point. I have no air fans in the listening room, and the hard disk access is not audible. The environment noise during night is near zero. Therefore no influence. Pale Blue Ego, Three of the four cases have the same serial ATA interface, two of them even physically the same interface (same PC with 2 operating systems). I could imagine that another interface causes other sound, but I would restrict to my 4 cases. -- Georgie Slimserver 6.5.1 / SSODS 2.12 / DS106X / SB3 Georgie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Cliveb -- As you guessed, the cable is phone-DIN and has a metal locking ring. I'll take a look at it and see if I can figure out how to connect the center pin to the metal body. Barring that, I might take a shot at connecting the Nait's center pin input to its case. Unless it is something real simple, however, I am a bit hesitant to fiddle with the Nait's innards. I assume there is no simpler way? -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Ned Ludd;203714 Wrote: As you guessed, the cable is phone-DIN and has a metal locking ring. I'll take a look at it and see if I can figure out how to connect the center pin to the metal body. Barring that, I might take a shot at connecting the Nait's center pin input to its case. Unless it is something real simple, however, I am a bit hesitant to fiddle with the Nait's innards. I assume there is no simpler way? It's a long time since I took apart a Naim amp, but they always used to have simple screws holding the case together, inside the rubber feet. You could loosen one of those screws then tighten it back up with a wire captured underneath, then connect the other end of the wire to the outer ring of a phono plug, and plug it into the Squeezebox's COAX digital output (with nothing connected to the centre pin of the phono plug). Another option would be to buy a 5-pin DIN plug from somewhere like Radio Shack (even a cheap plastic-bodied one will do), and on the inside connect the centre pin to the metal sleeve. Then put it back together and just plug it in to a spare DIN socket on the Nait. But if you find the Nait is really easy to open up, it should be very simple to insert a wire between one of the -ve input socket pins and the (grounded) chassis. That gives you a much neater installation, because it's all internal to the Nait. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Different servers sound different
Georgie;203712 Wrote: ceejay, mswlogo, Thank you for your answers. I assume that the reason of the different sound is caused by different parameters, but I don't know which parameter and which value. I'll tried to have the same configurations, but there are a lot of parameters, from disk access to CPU cache and so on, and I really don't know enough to have the same parameter values on different pcs and different operating systems. That is the reason why I ask for soemone with the same experiences here in this forum. cliveb, You mentionned a good point. I have no air fans in the listening room, and the hard disk access is not audible. The environment noise during night is near zero. Therefore no influence. Pale Blue Ego, Three of the four cases have the same serial ATA interface, two of them even physically the same interface (same PC with 2 operating systems). I could imagine that another interface causes other sound, but I would restrict to my 4 cases. With all due respect, just make sure the slimserver settings are identical and try the test blind. If server configuration variations(OS, CPU, memory, hard disks, etc.) were really changing the bits going over TCP/IP, then we would have much larger problems than audible variations with the Transporter, as TCP/IP networking would be unreliable. Make sure none of the Slimservers are doing any type of transcoding or bitrate limiting. If the slimserver settings are the same, and you are streaming identical files, then it is extremely unlikely that there is any audible difference. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
A new thing for me to learn today! I'm sure there's a good reason why the grounds aren't common, but can't figure out for the life of why -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
I'll give it a shot. I am a bit curious about something. I connected one end of a wire to the Squeezebox coax digital output and touched the other end to the exterior metal housing of the Nait. I was assuming that since the Nait was grounded, this would eliminate the hum the same way as connecting the wire to the ground prong of the power cord. I was wrong. The hum was not eliminated by doing it this way. I do not understand why. Any thoughts? -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe crooner;203372 Wrote: Here are some updated photos of my setup. It now includes my spanking new custom made Super Squeezebox :-) and Enlightened Audio Designs DSP-7000 Series III with HDCD. Now that's how I always wanted the Transporter to be, clean and simple, but upgraded electronics. Nice work! -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Maybe there's actually a fault in the amp - the case is meant to be earthed, and somewhere inside there's a piece of circuitry that relies on this connection being present - but in your case that connection is missing. That could explain the hum, and the fact that joining the SB ground to earth fixes it, and also the fact that joining the SB ground to the amp chassis doesn't. Next step: try connecting the chassis of the amp to earth and see if the hum goes away then too. (I presume, of course, that you're connecting to a bare metal point on the chassis - right?) -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
nicketynick;203733 Wrote: A new thing for me to learn today! I'm sure there's a good reason why the grounds aren't common, but can't figure out for the life of why The problem isn't that the grounds aren't common - they are, but that in this installation, none of the grounds are actually connected to the mains ground. In other words, the whole setup has a floating ground. Why is this a problem? Well, the signal that is reproduced (and amplified) in the system is the difference between the ground and the actual signal. The ground should nominally be at 0V. But if it's floating, and if there's any 50/60Hz ripple on the 0V side of the power supply, then that ripple will be treated as signal by the amp. Therefore it needs to be shunted to a real ground (eg. via the mains ground) to eliminate the ripple. My experience with the stock Squeezebox power supply is that it does seem to have a fairly high degree of mains ripple. Traditionally, it's the amp that tends to be grounded, and other components are grounded via the amp. It would seem that Naim amps are peculiar in this respect, expecting the source component(s) to be grounded. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Yeah! Impressive work Crooner! Is the distance between the display and the RF shield that large for any reason? Or is it just to match the depth of the PSU? -- topa topa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
nicketynick;203752 Wrote: Thus my question about the 'design flaw'. Why not link the grounds once in the amp, rather than rely on grounds in the source equipment, where if there is a bad connection in one piece..? Hey, this is Naim we're talking about. They have a long history of doing things differently. They're a classic example of British eccentricity. (Is what they do wrong? Couldn't say - I'm not an amplifier designer). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Guys, Here's an update. To recap I am comparing the SB3 and my Monarchy unit being used as transports. I use an external DAC. Loudness levels --- I did buy the SPL meter from Radio Shack whilst I was in the States. The SPLs via the SB3 and Monarchy transports were identical (using a multi-tone signal, octave spacing from Stereophile Test CD 3). Not surprising. So we can rule that out. Mains supply On the power supply side I have improved the mains filtering. Subjectively I think it's helped the sound all round, but the gap between the SB3 and Monarchy remains. Seems the jury's out on the power supply issue (see JLM's last post and thread SB3 and external DAC - views) and I don't have the time to go there without knowing it's going to solve it. Digital cable - I haven't tried a different digital cable yet. I've been reading several other forum threads on this site and it seems the jitter debate is very alive (see thread SB3 and external DAC - views). I'm not confident enough that a new cable is going to help the SB3 with jitter more than the Monarchy. I know my current cable is a decent one, so although improvements might be possible I don't feel it will cancel the gap in performance between the SB3 and Monarchy, which is my concern. To repeat, the differences are subtle: I think the Monarchy allows the little details to just sit there and be appreciated. The SB3 reproduces those little details when I listen - it's just that I sometime don't notice them until I've first heard the same passage on the Monarchy. The point is that instruments are better separated in the soundstage, meaning the brain can recognise the individual sounds with less effort. The Monarchy seems to have a deeper, wider and less forward soundstage. The Monarchy sounds darker, but this isn't just tone - it has a cleaner, quieter and more dynamic feel, the canvass of little notes is quieter allowing the transient louder notes to stand out more vividly. The Monarchy's bass is more dynamic and has more low-end slam too. (Ultimate frequency extension was measured as very slightly better using the LF test tones.) The Monarchy sounds better on transients - the leading edges of notes sound crisper and more real. In the end the differences are subtle. Each aspect of difference stretches the capabilities of my ears - and more likely, the rest of the hifi system - to characterise precisely in isolation. It would be easy to go into subjective ravings which certain kinds of hifi journalists seem to love, but I'm trying to be as careful as possible. I am very sure that in a less resolving system the differences would be lost, maybe entirely. On the other hand, in a more resolving system (and I admit the newest component in my system is 10 years old - see previous post) they would no doubt be a big problem. I don't know the reason still, but perhaps it can be put down to jitter. I believe Monarchy have some reputation around low jitter. Thanks, Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
More to the point: why should it matter if you have a floating ground? Earthing the chassis helps (though is not essential to) pass EMC and safety tests, but there need be no other connection between signal ground and Earth. Thinking about it: most of my components don't have an earth connection at all - they use 2 pin mains cables and plugs. Certainly I could easily put together a source component, amp speakers and have no earth. Needless to say, they work fine. No hum. (Well, apart from my subwoofer - but that IS earthed, so I think the hum is from a ground loop). It still sounds to me, though, as though the Naim amp is relying on signal ground and chassis ground being the same thing at some point, but for some reason, they're not. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Out of curiosity, have you tried this blind? You may be quite surprised by how what seemed like a very evident difference disappears once you no longer know which source is playing. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
For what its worth, the CD player I substituted out for the Squeezebox was not grounded (i.e., it had 2 pin power cord) but it did not give me a hum problem when used with the Nait. -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Ned Ludd;203772 Wrote: For what its worth, the CD player I substituted out for the Squeezebox was not grounded (i.e., it had 2 pin power cord) but it did not give me a hum problem when used with the Nait. That's probably because it has a power supply with significantly less mains ripple. I hate to say it, but the stock SB power supply does seem pretty bad in this respect. The kitchen system in my house is an SB2 feeding a pair of powered (but ungrounded) multimedia speakers, and they'd been used successfully for years with other sources. It was only when the SB2 was hooked up that I had to ground the speakers' power supply. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
opaqueice, I am going to try that. However, I would point out that I WANT the SB3 to sound better. I've just spent money on it, and I've spent literally weeks ripping my music to FLAC (still not finished). Nothing would make me happier at the moment than for the SB3 to sound better :-) Darren -- darrenyeats darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
Actually, when I first raised the issue directly with the company, they sent me a different (presumably better?) power supply. It made no difference. -- Ned Ludd Ned Ludd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hum?
nicketynick;203752 Wrote: Thanks for clarifying - this is what I meant - 'common' to the mains ground. Thus my question about the 'design flaw'. Why not link the grounds once in the amp, rather than rely on grounds in the source equipment, where if there is a bad connection in one piece..? Please see my previous post. You only want a ground to earth connection in one place in the system, and Naim started at a time when t/ts were the prevalent source, and they normally had ground and earth connected. Naim simply continued this with their CDPs. FWIW, I think the 'correct' place to make the connection is at the pre-amp, because that is the central switching/routing point in the system. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33414 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
is this still beneficial if using an external DAC? how great? -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is ASIO still advantageous through squeezebox?
Slimserver will send whatever file it is asked to play to the Squeezebox in its native format. Windows has nothing to do with it. SB3 outputs 48khz, Transporter outputs 96khz to an external DAC if required. When playing 24/96 recorded files the SB3 will drop every other sample. Rather crude but it seems to work. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is ASIO still advantageous through squeezebox?
needanamp;203827 Wrote: basically, i am asking, does windows upsamly to 48khz, then downsample back to 44.1khz before sending music to the squeezebox, thus creating a need for ASIO or kernal streaming to be used? No. Music is sent to the squeezebox as a data file over a TCP/IP network, not as any kind of digital audio stream. If that file is, say, a WAV of 44.1 kHz audio, that's what the SB receives. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
darrenyeats;203783 Wrote: opaqueice, I am going to try that. However, I would point out that I WANT the SB3 to sound better. I've just spent money on it, and I've spent literally weeks ripping my music to FLAC (still not finished). Nothing would make me happier at the moment than for the SB3 to sound better :-) Well, I know what you mean, but in my own personal experience when I've fooled myself thinking I heard something, it often wasn't correlated with what I expected or wanted. I think the only reliable approach is simply to eliminate any possibility of bias, rather than attempt the very difficult task of predicting how that bias might affect you. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Huge! I ran my SB3 through an Audio Synthesis DAX Discrete for 18 months and it was very impressive. Now have a Transporter running through the same DAC using balanced AES/EUB (SPIDF) connection. Sound quality is superb and I am playing a lot of 24/96 recordings I made by doing vinyl rips of my collection. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] buying a dac in london - shop please...
JPatten;203492 Wrote: Does anybody know of a source of 24/96 files for purchase/download? Linn Records - http://www.linrecords.com Linn has a few of their albums available in 24/96 format for download. Classic Records - http://www.classicrecs.com/ Hires Music - http://www.hiresmusic.com/homepage.html The DAD HDAD recordings have 24/96 audio that I have extracted using DVD Audio Extractor. In another thread, it was claimed that it could not be done with DVD AE, but I think that's just older versions; according to the DVD AE website they now fully support 24/96 extraction and 24-bit WAV format. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume on SB3
Dont quite understand you last 3 lines there, why would Inguz make it sound like mp3 ? Sorry for hijacking the thread, this is a bit different, but still concerns volume... I responded to this thread : http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32271 and I know there is an agreement that the lower the volume the better sound more or less. But, here we are simply talking output from the analog outs on SB3, and I dont understand why this is so low With my headphones I can easily turn the volume all the way up listening to a ripped cd via the SB3 6.0 volt ( ?? ) analog output, with my Philips dvd 963SA, and its 2.0 volt output its enough with a 12.00 setting on the volume. Seems like the SB3 doesnt put out more than 0.5 volt to me. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 'dirt cheap' music pc
i currently have a laptop with a 40gb hard drive. i want a squeezebox3, but want all my music as FLAC first. SO, i need more space. simple, you may think. buy an external hdd. however, my laptop is so bad (dell inspiron 1100) that is barely has the processing power for EAC and rips take 1/2 hour. until eventually they ake over 1 hour, becuase of the heat. What should i do? i need it to serve my squeezebox. Adive on getting a cheap pc jsut with fast processor and big hdd. nothing else neccessary (except a cheap monitor to do the rips. -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35510 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
but i dont understand, because i thought digital out was simply passing out the 1's and 0's, so its not likely to pass out 1, and 0's with any mistakes without the mod, so why mod? and its not like you can get better 1's and 0's is it?! (i assume not - since its a digital signal - but knowing me, im totally wrong) thanks for andswering. -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 'dirt cheap' music pc
Do you have the skills/inclination to build one yourself? If so it can be fairly cheap. In regards to EAC, the CPU intensive task is the encoding. Ripping itself is easy and is constrained by the optical drive - optical drives in laptops are notoriously poor. The current encoding champ is the Intel Core 2 Duo. I have an E6600 and it's incredible - FLAC at -8 (maximum compression) and LAME -V 6 one after the other - both tasks combined at THIRTY SECONDS per track! This is more than twice as fast as my retired Pentium 4 2.8 GHz and four times as fast as the AMD Duron 1.2 GHz in my secondary PC. Core 2 Duos have come down in price and you can get the low-end ones for not all that much. Motherboards for this can be pricey but I'm using an economical ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA - the nice thing about it is that you can reuse your old DDR RAM and your old AGP card. But if you don't want to build a PC yourself, the lower-end Dells ought to do. If you can find one with an entry level Core 2 Duo you'd be all set. As long as you go for a desktop you'll get a better optical drive than you would with a laptop, so you would be covered there as well. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35510 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 'dirt cheap' music pc
needanamp wrote: What should i do? i need it to serve my squeezebox. Adive on getting a cheap pc jsut with fast processor and big hdd. nothing else neccessary (except a cheap monitor to do the rips. How cheap do you want? I suggest you look at your local craigslist and just buy a working, used PC. Compression takes a while, so just allow for it. Once you have the used PC, just use it as the Slimserver and use your laptop to control it. Depending on your taste and experience, make sure the used PC includes Windows, or install a Linux distro on it. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;197543 Wrote: I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on business. I'm visiting tomorrow. The receptionist was pretty enthusiastic about a tour and told me to just drop in. They're only about 3 km from my afternoon appointment, a good way to spend an hour or so in the morning. I may not be allowed to take pictures inside but I will take a photo of the exterior of the building at least! Now...I just hope I am not sorely tempted by B-stock because I don't have the budget for it at the moment. :-) -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
The 1's and 0's are not the problem - converting them to analogue is! The SB3 has an onboard DAC and built to a price. External DAC's usually have no such limitations. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume on SB3
Anne;203857 Wrote: Dont quite understand you last 3 lines there, why would Inguz make it sound like mp3 ? Sorry, I meant *if* mp3 is adding an artificial bass boost he could use inguz eq to give the FLAC files the same 'sound', but with the penalty of having to stream a .wav sized file. I know there is an agreement that the lower the volume the better sound more or less. But, here we are simply talking output from the analog outs on SB3, and I dont understand why this is so low When I use my T-amp and Fostex speakers with the Sb3 analog out at full volume, 12 o'clock on the T-amp is WAY too loud, so I personally wouldn't want them to have a higher voltage. I thought the agreement was that the higher the volume on the sb3, the better the sound- more or less. Or were you talking volume in general? (in which case I still say the louder the better!) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume on SB3
Skunk;203878 Wrote: Sorry, I meant *if* mp3 is adding an artificial bass boost he could use inguz eq to give the FLAC files the same 'sound', but with the penalty of having to stream a .wav sized file. When I use my T-amp and Fostex speakers with the Sb3 analog out at full volume, 12 o'clock on the T-amp is WAY too loud, so I personally wouldn't want them to have a higher voltage. I thought the agreement was that the higher the volume on the sb3, the better the sound- more or less. Or were you talking volume in general? (in which case I still say the louder the better!) Eh, I am a bit embarrassed but honestly dont have a clue as to what happened, I withdraw my statement on the volume completely. I got my HD580 Precision headphones in the mail today, and I plugged them in my Bryston. I then lined up Eva Cassidy on the SB3, and the cd player so I could compare, and the sound was very low on the SB3 compared to the cd player. Just now I was listening again, and now the volume is the same ! I dont understand because I didnt change a thing, I just slept an hour, so sorry again. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume on SB3
Anne;203885 Wrote: I dont understand because I didnt change a thing, I just slept an hour, so sorry again. Glad to hear you got everything sorted :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe topa;203759 Wrote: Yeah! Impressive work Crooner! Is the distance between the display and the RF shield that large for any reason? Or is it just to match the depth of the PSU? Hi Topa, Thanks for your comments re my unit. The shield position was arbitrary. I could have moved it closer to the display or viceversa. The enclosures are standard models from diyenclosures.com. They happen to be a near perfect fit! Best, crooner -- crooner Customized dual chassis Super Squeezebox EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Thank you very much CardinalFang! Yeah, I guess this would have been the ideal Transporter. Minimalistic yet functional. No buttons or knobs on the front panel. As an audiophile, this is the way I like my electronics. I'm sure many fellow enthusiasts would agree. CardinalFang;203742 Wrote: Now that's how I always wanted the Transporter to be, clean and simple, but upgraded electronics. Nice work! -- crooner Customized dual chassis Super Squeezebox EAD DSP-7000 Series III DAC with HDCD and mods. VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records now doing FLAC
Oooops ... Update... dBpowerAMP updated their codecs yesterday and fixed their FLAC 96kHz bug! The application can now process 96kHz FLAC files without any problem. To resample a 96kHz FLAC to 48kHz, download the Music Converter DSP Effects R1 which was released on May 19th, and install that after installing dBpowerAMP. Use the DSP resample tool and recode FLAC to FLAC. It works well. So, Adamslim is right - it is easy to do all this in dBpowerAMP - great program. In addition, Audacity released a new version as well on May 18th. They also had a FLAC problem but theirs was related to handling 24bit files - and that has been fixed! -Ron -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 - CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A - Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max - Sennheiser 650s *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34985 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 'dirt cheap' music pc
I am looking at Tiger Direct to get a cheap computer for my son. They have some refurbished powerful machines in the $500 range + they come with XP instead of Vista. http://www.tigerdirect.com/ -- jdbaker SB3/Parasound C2/A51/PSB CHS60's/CHS40/Triad Gold Dipole Inwall Surrounds/Triad Inwall Silver Sub. SB3/Arcam FMJ A32/Monitor Audio Silver S6 jdbaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35510 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
