Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;233938 Wrote: I think this illustrates perfectly the concept of measuring the right thing. The power of the human auditory system is not defined by its frequency response, dynamic range, or directional capabilities. The brain overcomes all these supposed flaws to produce a marvellous piece of equipment. R. Et voilà, you answered your own question... The brain is interpolating/upsampling the data it gets, coloring it with all the past experience it has... To get to that redbook story: The frequency response of audio CD is from 20 Hz to 20 kHz I believe the average human doesn't even hear above 18 kHz, youngsters still get the 20 kHz signal, but older people don't... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie ask Room correction
I've used the sb3 deq2496 combo the results are very good if you happy to manually set the deq rather than let it do the correction. The dac in the deq is at least the equal of the sb3 in my case I've modded the deq so its definately superior to the standard sb3. I've heard the tact several times and was rather disappointed feeling the sound was over processed...but it was not my system. -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which integrated Amp should I get?
the exposure a21 [?] sounds very good it runs quite hot though so this could be an issue. The newer quad 99 intigrateds would be hard to beat. Though I'm not a fan of the arcam amps an off the wall solution try one of the cheap push pull el34 valve amps that are available some are extraordinary value ie the dynavox vr70e [but you do need to get some good valves as the chinese ones are not up to much] -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables zanash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39126 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
seanadams;233921 Wrote: YOU are the one who is prejudiced. You haven't even heard the thing but you're making all kinds of predictions about how it'll sound and even suggesting some pretty ridiculous reasons as to why. I think what you're hearing from the rest of us is not fanboyism, but simple skepticism. We're saying I'll believe it when I hear it. You are the one saying I already know. The problem is it's probably not worth $20K to most of us just to find out. It's certainly not worth it to me. I never said that i allready know. I said i allready think. The transporter might be better , mine is moddified and sounds amazing, and my system is keept simple . What provokes me is people that damm the linn klimax DS for being a 20.000 usd linn squees box, people tend to bash on linn becaue its a big company that have there fingers in every thing and THE ONLY SOUND slogan is destinyed to cause problems. It was the same with there amps , many people had a hard time coping with the price asking for there klimax solos, when the where so small and light . I think its deeply founded in oure caveman roots that we want large volumes for oure money. But if you measure the klimaxes by there preformans the a cheap because the do sound better then eny other solidstate amps in there price catagory. When that is said the are extremly well made, -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Mark Lanctot;233923 Wrote: I didn't have a bad comment. Machined aluminum castings look really cool. Not $20K cool, but cool. My only comment was how will they improve the sound? You appear to know before you hear it. Dont beleive the transporter is the last step and we will never see or hear a better product. The hardisk playback technology is a relativly new way of doing it and i dont thing its fully explored yet. From what i know the honey is not the bitperfect thing it still lies in have the source converts this bit data into music, and not just sound but musical music. Linn has this done right and have major resources and some of the most dedicated and skilled workers in the industry to refine it. But we will just have to see have good it really is. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Windows media player or Itunes?
james vaughan;233977 Wrote: Not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, I want to rip everything to an external hard drive and if needed copy and past those music files to another. I know with Itunes, if used to rip, once you move the file either one or the complete collection, tags are gone. It seems that with WMP it will recognize the folder with music, list title and artist appropriately without having to re rip the collection again. Also seems like WMP rips quicker than Itunes. Ripping WAV in either programs. This will be my 3rd and hopefully last time ripping my collection. He yeah right:) I have a massive collection and really don't want to do it again. Thanks for any input. As long as the metadata and the audio data is in seperate places there's always a good chance that you lose the metadata. Have you considered using any of the lossless audio formats (wma lossless, apple lossless, flac)? They all store metadata in the audio files, so no need to stick to any given media library program and you can move your files around as much as you like without ever worrying about the tags. But you might have your reason for ripping to wav since you posted in the audiophiles forum after all ;-) -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39158 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
harmonic;234018 Wrote: people tend to bash on linn becaue its a big company Logitech is a much bigger company than Linn. People do not bash Linn because they are big. They get bashed because they charge obscene amounts of money for their products (which I will acknowledge are usually pretty good). They are not alone (think of Naim, Levinson, Krell, etc). But there are plenty of others out there who charge a fair price for products of equal merit (Arcam, Quad, AVI, etc). Linn and the other megabuck brands get away with it because they have nurtured a religious devotion amongst their customers. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;234002 Wrote: Et voilà, you answered your own question... The brain is interpolating/upsampling the data it gets, coloring it with all the past experience it has... Is this bad? I've never had a problem with it, but I'm not going to say that we humans have hearing capabilities we can't measure... To get to that redbook story: The frequency response of audio CD is from 20 Hz to 20 kHz I believe the average human doesn't even hear above 18 kHz, youngsters still get the 20 kHz signal, but older people don't... But surely that's the whole point? - I agree we can probably determine what the ear itself is doing, but we have no great method of dtermining what the brain is doing with whatever limited information it IS getting from the ear (and we mustn't forget about bone conduction by the way). Therefore, it doesn't make sense to limit the engineering to only produce what we believe our ears to be capable of when we don't know what the brain is doing and exactly how it combines data from the ears with other stuff. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which sounds better?
Music playing on a $15K CD player or the same recording on a $200 SACD player because of the higher resolution? -- abelincoln abelincoln's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Mark Lanctot;233923 Wrote: Machined aluminum castings look really cool. snip My only comment was how will they improve the sound? You answered your own question... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which sounds better?
abelincoln;234033 Wrote: Music playing on a $15K CD player or the same recording on a $200 SACD player because of the higher resolution? I've dem'd a mid-range ($600) Marantz SACD player and found it to be roughly on pair with a CD player costing around twice the price. I'd expect a real high end CDP to walk all over a $200 SACD unit. Thinking about it, my old DVD player is SACD capable and costs around $200 when new. It never gets used. Does that tell a story? -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Behringer 2496DEQ, Bel Canto DAC2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which sounds better?
Before you kick off a repeat war, see this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38596 for a discussion of DVD-A and SACD vs red book quality. It was all thrashed out there (with the usual people not budging from their usual views). As for the money aspect of the question, it depends on the players of course. Personally, I would absolutely not trust my own sighted conclusions about digital players (let alone a $200 vs $20k player). The differences are subtle (above a certain price-point say 1-2k) IME. At a recent AV show I walked into the dCS room, heard Diana Krall playing and my first thought was speakers sound nice! Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Phil Leigh wrote: servies;234002 Wrote: Et voilà, you answered your own question... The brain is interpolating/upsampling the data it gets, coloring it with all the past experience it has... Is this bad? I've never had a problem with it, but I'm not going to say that we humans have hearing capabilities we can't measure... To get to that redbook story: The frequency response of audio CD is from 20 Hz to 20 kHz I believe the average human doesn't even hear above 18 kHz, youngsters still get the 20 kHz signal, but older people don't... But surely that's the whole point? - I agree we can probably determine what the ear itself is doing, but we have no great method of dtermining what the brain is doing with whatever limited information it IS getting from the ear (and we mustn't forget about bone conduction by the way). Therefore, it doesn't make sense to limit the engineering to only produce what we believe our ears to be capable of when we don't know what the brain is doing and exactly how it combines data from the ears with other stuff. Exactly. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie ask Room correction
zanash;234014 Wrote: I've used the sb3 deq2496 combo the results are very good if you happy to manually set the deq rather than let it do the correction. The dac in the deq is at least the equal of the sb3 in my case I've modded the deq so its definately superior to the standard sb3. I've heard the tact several times and was rather disappointed feeling the sound was over processed...but it was not my system. Do you know any good external DAC that equal to Transporter? -- gwnzen gwnzen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13489 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39124 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Phil Leigh;234027 Wrote: But surely that's the whole point? - I agree we can probably determine what the ear itself is doing, but we have no great method of dtermining what the brain is doing with whatever limited information it IS getting from the ear (and we mustn't forget about bone conduction by the way). Where is that info your ears and bones are sending to your brains coming from? From your speakers. If there is no difference in that signal between the different cables then there is no difference whatever your brain may think. That's what this whole test is about: eliminating the influence of the human brain on the testresults. -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My experience implementing John Swenson's Synchronous Reclocking Circuit
Where are the signals connected to SB3? Any further photos showed? -- askchan askchan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38967 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
I bought three homeplugs for my Squeezebox 3. They worked straight away with ho struggle. After about twenty minutes the music stopped, and the server could no longer find the Squeezebox, so now I'll sell the homeplugs and I'm back to Ethernet. (Don't talk about wireless...) -- DennyL DennyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;234070 Wrote: Where is that info your ears and bones are sending to your brains coming from? From your speakers. If there is no difference in that signal between the different cables then there is no difference whatever your brain may think. That's what this whole test is about: eliminating the influence of the human brain on the testresults. Different strokes for different folks. There is a messing element there: passion. And to a large degree that is why the science is called *psycho*acoustics. We are more than sensory machines. When we taste a wine we have the irrational need to hear about its region, history and what not. When we buy a car a large number of very irrational factors have a huge influence over our decision. When we buy a music reproduction chain, we want to instill some of the passion we feel for the music into parts of it to humanize it, to turn transistors into our own Stradivarius. If someone *thinks* they can hear a difference, and it makes them close their eyes, chill and enjoy their music collection more - more power to them. That's my attitude, at least. And I am interested to hear about their story behind their particular approach to their passion - that's the fun thing between audiophiles. It's a tad of a ritual, it's not all linear considerations. I enjoy lsitening to good music on many systems, I would never pay several thousand dollars for a cable... but if someone else has one, wow, I like to hear the story and take a look at the craftmanship. Does anyone *need* a Patek Philipe Perpetual calendar that costs half a million dollars to keep time? Of course not. But it's a wonderful thing we can be so irrational and passion driven that such things exist. The pursuit of the utterly superfluous is what art and culture is all about, some would say... :-) -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which sounds better?
darrenyeats wrote: Before you kick off a repeat war, see this thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38596 for a discussion of DVD-A and SACD vs red book quality. Plus, one has no clue as to the cause of any difference. It is likely that the mastering engineer of the SACD was no as pressured by the loudness wars since SACD is aimed at audiophiles. This is the chicken or egg argument for audiophiles in 2001. Its not relevant now, since DVD-A and SACD failed due to idiot format wars. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
IMO, it is all really in the ears of the beholder, i.e., if someone feels that an expensive cable makes his system sound better, that is great. For my money, I want to know that the difference is perceivable. 1) Demonstrate that someone, somewhere, on some system can reliably tell the difference, and then I am more than willing to discuss 2) whether that difference constitutes an improvement, and 3) whether that improvement is worth the cost. Does that make me an objectivist/subjectivist/subjectivist? :) I also note that beyond a certain price point, I am predisposed to answer 3) negatively. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which sounds better?
Besides, who listens to a CD player anymore when we have SBs? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
Question regarding Homeplug and like devices. How do they fair on power networks in homes where their is no HF bridge across the phases? Many homes have half the house on one phase and the other half on the other phase. I would think in order to make network over mains work in all parts of the house you would have to have some type of HF bridge across the phases. How do they solve this issue? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
Digital information is a stream of numbers. I assume that when a CD is ripped to FLAC then both the CD and the FLAC generate the same stream of numbers - that would be the FLAC-developer's goal if the FLAC is to be the computer-file embodiment of the CD. I notice that no-one in this thread has suggested in any specific technical way why the two identical streams of numbers sound different, but one person has suggested that maybe they don't, that the perceived difference could have been psychological. Digital technology is very good at handling numbers - you can copy a piece of software from one computer to another and load it on the second computer and it won't crash, when just one bit in error could have crashed it. In the world of computing much digital data is being routinely transmitted and stored accurately and I don't know why in music reproduction it should be any different as long as the equipment is working properly. Red Book CDs have very powerful error correction, even if it is less powerful than Yellow Book computer CDROMs, and they shouldn't allow more than about one error bit per second, which I doubt could be audible. -- DennyL DennyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Devolo / Homeplug - noise on the mains
m1abrams;234086 Wrote: Question regarding Homeplug and like devices. How do they fair on power networks in homes where their is no HF bridge across the phases? Many homes have half the house on one phase and the other half on the other phase. I would think in order to make network over mains work in all parts of the house you would have to have some type of HF bridge across the phases. How do they solve this issue? I do not use a homeplug solution, but I ran into this with some X10 control modules that I used to use. There are a number of ways to solve it, but each involves some type of coupling. I had an electrician install a bridge across the phases of the panel. You can also buy a coupler that you plug into a wall socket. Some of these devices are passive, while others offer amplification. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39102 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
Denny, You are correct about data being handled without error on computers. If in the very rare case there is an error some part of the system crashes! Information Technology is based on error detection and correction, buffering and asynchronous transfer. This differs from the audio world where things tend to be synchronous and therefore less than reliable, and it's not obvious when there is a problem. Even though data is streamed to a squeeze player it is still asychronous i.e. sent in packets. If a packet is faulty it gets resent. This process happens so quickly that the buffer on the player doesn't get empty and the music goes on uninterrupted. The only areas of debate are where signals get converted into numbers (recording, mastering, ADC) and where the numbers get converted into signals (domestic player or transport e.g. SB3, Transporter). In between these stages - where only numbers exist - there is no debate that lossless formats like FLAC describe the same information as CD or WAV. Hence if FLAC and WAV sound different the cause must be something affecting the physical player - differences in RFI from network activity, differences in noise from on-board processing etc. - or (very likely this is the reason) psychological factors. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
SatoriGFX;234100 Wrote: I have no idea why transports sound different though I have read lots of theories that try to explain why. Having said that, they DO sound different, to me anyhow. I recently purchased a CEC belt drive transport out of curiosity. I was rather happy with my Squeezebox but had always lusted after a CEC transport and one came up at a price I couldn't resist. I expected small differences, small enough that one could ignore them if they had to. Not the case unfortunately (I really wanted to believe that the Squeezebox was as good and I could continue to enjoy it's conveniences and I did spend alot of time ripping my cd collection). The CEC's sound is substantially different than that of my Squeezebox or my Oppo DVD player, all feeding the same DAC (using either a DHLabs D-75 coax or a cheapo glass toslink cable). One would have to be deaf not to hear the differences because they are not at all subtle. We aren't talking 2 shades of black that are very close, so close that either could pass for the other. The differences are clearly evident. Is it more accurate? I can't say in absolute terms. I can only say that it sounds superior to me, by a substantial margin. I haven't sold the Squeezebox yet, but I haven't turned it on in weeks other than to compare it's sound to my CEC just to make sure I am not hearing things. I'm not. SatoriGFX, Read this thread carefully http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37553highlight=blind+test I heard differences between transports too but my preference got reversed (see the thread). Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Quote from the article: Dave Clark, Editor of audio review publication Positive Feedback Online describes the ANJOU performance as being ... way better than anything I have heard... He goes on to say, Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace--these cables smack that right on the nose big time. The ANJOU Speaker Cable represents the introduction of a completely new hybrid cable geometry developed by Pear Cable. Drawing upon the best characteristics of several more common cable geometries, the resulting hybrid design minimizes the sonic impact of the cable. Annica Kjellberg, President of Pear Cable said, We are extremely pleased that the unique geometry we developed for this cable is getting the attention we think it deserves. The numbers say that it is better, but it is critical to validate numbers with the human ear. This review further solidifies the ANJOU Speaker Cable as a class leading design. I don't mind people saying: In our opinion this cable is better, but when they say the above, then I want prove, and if you can't prove it, you're a fraud. That's how simple it is! -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
darrenyeats;234107 Wrote: SatoriGFX, Read this thread carefully http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37553highlight=blind+test I heard differences between transports too but my preference got reversed (see the thread). Darren Ok, I don't see in that thread where your preference was reversed. I'm too lazy to read every post on every page. No matter. I am not claiming that one is better than the other in absolute terms or that my preference would never change. I am simply claiming that there ARE differences. I don't need DBT's. I know that's a typical answer but that's how I feel. I have made other changes in my system where I thought I heard a difference but could not be sure or where I felt any differences were rather unimportant. In the case of the CEC there is no doubt. I am not an audiophile reviewer who disects minute differences and makes mountains out of molehills. The CEC sounds vastly different. The presentation is completely different. It's not like comparing 2 apples of the same variety grown on different farms. The difference is more like comparing an apple to an orange (Ok, maybe less drastic than that, I'm just trying to make the point that I'm not talking minute subtleties). Sure, you could do a double blind test to confirm your results and that might change your preference, perhaps. But nobody is going to say an apple tastes like an orange. So, yes, I could do a DBT. But frankly, I am having too much fun listening to music to bother or care. -- SatoriGFX SatoriGFX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
There is really only one way to do the following two things simultaneously: 1. Fully include a human's ears *and* brain in a test. 2. Filter out all psychological factors not related to the sound itself. Love it or loathe it, the blind test. This is how things are PROVED. Or - if you prefer - we could spend the next hundred years cataloging our 'impressions', 'indications', 'opinions', 'theories' or 'beliefs' about whether a measurement is relevant to audible quality ;-) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
cliveb;234026 Wrote: Logitech is a much bigger company than Linn. People do not bash Linn because they are big. They get bashed because they charge obscene amounts of money for their products (which I will acknowledge are usually pretty good). They are not alone (think of Naim, Levinson, Krell, etc). But there are plenty of others out there who charge a fair price for products of equal merit (Arcam, Quad, AVI, etc). Linn and the other megabuck brands get away with it because they have nurtured a religious devotion amongst their customers. Logitech is not a 35 year old hifi company its a computer ass company, wich bourgt slimdevices i dont se the paraele. Linn charges alot of money for there rference products just like enyother hifi company . If you look at linns cheaper product linns you wlill see the a actually very fair priced. The Majik system was awarded best system in its price catagory at EISA. If you compare there reference products the klimax series to other reference hifi components that are on the marked its my experince it the just sounds better and ALOT more musical in that light the are cheap , from a different view its a insane amounth of money . I think its wrong to say that linn brain washese its customers to pay the money asking, thats a popular and narrow sighted statment wich in reality is simply wrong. Just becaue people prefere the linn sound or even love it dossent make the simpleminded or relegious. I posted on the linn forum have happy i was about the sound of the transporter and not singel linni had a negativ thing to say , the where all just happy to here this, look what happens when sombody says enything bad about the transporter in here . What would you call The sound kvality will suppas even that of the most excotic cd player statment ? It makes it even more bold when it really dont. I dont recall linn saying the make the best sounding sources ever, but history tells us the do. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
Have you tried comparing WAV files from the SB3 to the output of the CD player? If not, you haven't done an apples to apples comparison. I am well aware that the SB3 digital output from FLAC files SHOULD be bit-for-bit identical to a WAV file, but unless someone has tested and confirmed this, a WAV file is the only valid comparison of an SB3 vs. a CD player. Even if the bits are the same, perhaps the FLAC-sourced digital output has extra jitter that this particular DAC can't handle. (It's not exactly a high end DAC.) -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My experience implementing John Swenson's Synchronous Reclocking Circuit
If there is interest, I may try to get a rudimentary website up in the next week or so with a link to this project, including a parts list and further diagrams and pics. I have the SB2. The SB3 is probably very similar. There are three traces between the Xilinx and the SB dac chip for the BCK, LRCK and SDATA signals. There are 3 resistors between the 2 chips; one for each trace. Which traces carry which signals would be clear by looking at a schematic for the dac chip that the SB uses (I don't have it in front of me). The place to intercept each of these three signals signal is on the ***DAC SIDE*** of these resistor leads. I used 30awg wrap wire and magnification for this because the resistors are tiny. With the exception of some tricky soldering for a self-proclaimed intermediate DIY'r, the SB mods are straight forward. -- RioTubes RioTubes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10172 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38967 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Hrmunk, pliesae du sophing aphoupt yir stpelkkingf unsd grimmear. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
SatoriGFX;234118 Wrote: Ok, I don't see in that thread where your preference was reversed. It's in the first post. SatoriGFX;234118 Wrote: But nobody is going to say an apple tastes like an orange. My conclusion wasn't that an apple tastes like an orange. A difference was still apparent (as far as I could detect in the limited time available). It was just my preference that was reversed. I was trying to help you by sharing my experience. YMMV. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
It's in the first post. Well, not to be picky, but your preference wasn't reversed UNTIL you added the linear PSU into the picture. My conclusion wasn't that an apple tastes like an orange. A difference was still apparent (as far as I could detect in the limited time available). It was just my preference that was reversed. Again, I do not claim that one is better than the other absolutely. I claim there are differences and state my current preference. That's all. My preference may change as well, though I suspect not. I am going to compare some raw .wav's as suggested by TiredLegs to the original cd's (though, I did at one point compare both flacs and wav on my Squeezebox at one point and thought the differences were subtle at best but my system has changed somewhat since then). And I DO plan on purchasing an aftermaket PSU, probably the new CIAudio offering, out of curiosity. I was trying to help you by sharing my experience. YMMV. Darren I appreciate it. -- SatoriGFX SatoriGFX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
TiredLegs;234133 Wrote: Have you tried comparing WAV files from the SB3 to the output of the CD player? If not, you haven't done an apples to apples comparison. I am well aware that the SB3 digital output from FLAC files SHOULD be bit-for-bit identical to a WAV file, but unless someone has tested and confirmed this, a WAV file is the only valid comparison of an SB3 vs. a CD player. Even if the bits are the same, perhaps the FLAC-sourced digital output has extra jitter that this particular DAC can't handle. (It's not exactly a high end DAC.) I'll compare the flac, wav and cd as soon as I can and report back. BTW. Which DAC are you refering to? I don't use the internal DAC on the SB3. I use a CIAudio VDA-2 w/VAC-1 PSU. Not the highest end DAC but many have compared it to other capable DACs (Benchmark, Lavry etc...) and prefered it or at least thought it was in the same league. I would hardly think it is a bottlekneck in my system. -- SatoriGFX SatoriGFX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Hi, First post so be gentle with me! As a long time hi-fi user, lover of music and serial upgrader I ended up with the following system, Naim: CDX2 / XPS2 282 HiCap 200 Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor speakers. All with Naim cables. I looked at upgrading my pre/power amp and realised to get any greater improvement (using Naim) I would have to spend serious ££'s i.e 252 / Supercap / 250.2 This lead me to buying a Dave Berning ZH270 amp from the States on recommendation from a friend. This was probably the first time in decades I bought some kit without listening to it! I was rewarded when I heard the amp and my Naim amps went up for sale. At this point I started to look at alternative CDP's and the same friend suggested; as I was a Mac user that I should consider using my Mac and DAC as my digital source. I loaned a Benchmark DAC1 (USB) and hooked up my Mac using the optical 3.5mm mini plug to toslink and did side by side tests with a standard USB. I preferred the optical cable. I also experimented with phono RCAs to my amp and ended up with XLR's from the DAC to my amp. The sound was in my opinion very, very close to that of the CDX2 / XPS2 combo! I love the idea of all my tunes stored on a hard disk, with instant access and I was wondering if I had SB3, say modified by Boulder Cables (on the digital side) and then hooked this to a DAC1 via a digital coaxial, would this likely imrove the sound above that of my Mac/DAC1 combo. Would like to hear your views. MontyW -- Monty_W Monty_W's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Harmonic, you are a troll, even worse, you are a troll that can't spell. However, this does make you entertaining even if it is headache inducing trying to decipher your posts. Now I think I will spin some vinyl on my Linn TT (gasp, oh no, I'm a Linnie) With my tube phono preamp. I do use a Graham tonearm so I am only reluctantly allowed in the local Linn store :-) Gee, and I still think the TP is one of the best DACs on the market. Oh well, I guess the only consistent thing around here is that you are troll. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
No need to mod it - the stock unit is fine (others will disagree - some violently!). In my experience, an SB3 into a nice DAC (take your pick - Benchmark or whatever, I prefer the Musical Fidelity ones myself) will equal or outperform your Naim CDX2 - but you need to bear in mind that Naim has a house sound that some people like and others (including me) find distressing. At the end of the day only your ears/brain can decide. Try it and see. (dons flame-proof suit and heads for bunker, pausing only to scoop worms back into open can) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
As a long-standing Linn owner (25 years+) I'd just like to say: 1) I'm sure the DS sounds great - all the other Linn Klimax stuff I've heards sounds great - wish I could afford it. 2) I had a CD12 which was one of the greatest CD players ever made (IMHO) - I sold it and use an SB3+MF Dac. I prefer the sound - it makes a nice warm cuddly synergy with the rest (all Linn) of my system. There is no way I would have swapped a £12k player for about £1.5k's worth of kit if I didn't prefer the sound...but that is a very personal thing of course. Suppose I am now in the deaf and mad camp...ho hum. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Hi Phil, Thanks fo the reply. One of the reasons I moved away from Naim amps was a realisation that I no longer enjoyed the Naim 'house' sound. I moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this helped. Using the Mac/DAC1 has really wetted my apetite - if a SB3 into a Dac is sonically better then I need to give it a try. MontyW -- Monty_W Monty_W's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Monty_W;234161 Wrote: Hi Phil, Thanks fo the reply. One of the reasons I moved away from Naim amps was a realisation that I no longer enjoyed the Naim 'house' sound. I moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this helped. Using the Mac/DAC1 has really wetted my apetite - if a SB3 into a Dac is sonically better then I need to give it a try. MontyW Monty - I wouldn't claim it as a big leap...but nonetheless worth trying as it's you ears+ that count! It's the DAC that makes the sound - the rest is detail (flame proof suit turned to MAX) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Phil Leigh wrote: No need to mod it - the stock unit is fine In my experience, an SB3 into a nice DAC (take your pick - Benchmark or whatever, I prefer the Musical Fidelity ones myself) will equal or outperform your Naim CDX2 I agree that a SqueezeBox feeding a nice DAC is very nice. I used a Benchmark DAC-1 and loved it. Would still be using it, except I got a Transporter. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;234114 Wrote: Quote from the article: ... In our opinion this cable is better, but when they say the above, then I want ... I think when people say in my opinion .., they admit to possibly flawed subjectivity. It's not a categoric statement. At that level people can agree to disagree, and often enrich each other if the discussion is constructive. It's when people try to tell me what is best for me that I raise an eyebrow. If someone came to my home, looked at my stereo, andwhistled through his teeth going wow, I am surprised you have not spent more on cables, really, your system will sound much better, *then* I'd tell them of my conviction they are utterly wrong. Other than that, different strokes for different folks, and it's all cool, because we all have our silos of irrationally passion-driven decisions somewhere...! -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Windows media player or Itunes?
slimpy;234024 Wrote: As long as the metadata and the audio data is in seperate places there's always a good chance that you lose the metadata. Have you considered using any of the lossless audio formats (wma lossless, apple lossless, flac)? They all store metadata in the audio files, so no need to stick to any given media library program and you can move your files around as much as you like without ever worrying about the tags. But you might have your reason for ripping to wav since you posted in the audiophiles forum after all ;-) -s. +1, use a format like FLAC that (easily) supports tagging. If you must use WAV, make sure that you use a strict naming convention that implicitly embeds the metadata in the file name - at least artist, album, track number and title. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39158 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
SatoriGFX;234142 Wrote: BTW. Which DAC are you refering to? I don't use the internal DAC on the SB3. I use a CIAudio VDA-2 w/VAC-1 PSU. Not the highest end DAC but many have compared it to other capable DACs (Benchmark, Lavry etc...) and prefered it or at least thought it was in the same league. I would hardly think it is a bottlekneck in my system. Sorry, I should have specified. I was referring to the Moodlab Concept DAC in the original thread post. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Monty_W;234161 Wrote: I moved away from Naim speakers (Allaes) and went Sonus Faber and this helped. Using the Mac/DAC1 has really wetted my apetite - if a SB3 into a Dac is sonically better then I need to give it a try. I'm not sure that SB-DAC1 will be 'much' better than mac-DAC1. As others have said, its the DAC-1 that makes the sound. But I too have Sonus Fabers, which I drove with my DAC1, and I loved it. Some audiophiles say that the DAC-1 is too 'clinical'. I don't know exactly what they mean, but my Sonus Fabers sound great fed by the DAC-1. Perhaps its because the Sonus Fabers aim to be very musical. -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Whats interesting to me is that wars are fought and mega $ spent over marginal differences introduced by well understood and low tech devices that have reached engineering maturity: cables, power supplies, CD players, DAC, op AMPs, For these kinds of devices once you spend 3 times more than the cheapo version you are 99% there. As you know the additional .9% (or whatever) requires an additional x100 cost multiplier. I submit that, unless you take pleasure in departing from your hard earned income, it is not worthed. Note that I am not condemning the pursuit of Audio Nirvana (or any other dream you may have). What I am condemning is that lack of creativity and innovation takes away resources that would provide real, unquestionable leap forwards in the music enjoyment area . The innovative Slimbox is unquestionable better than any CD player: no CDs to juggle. Try to change CDs when blindfolded exactly, cannot beat that! Let see what I would do with $7000: $3000 DEQX PDC - 2.6P $2000 on additional amps for the tri-amp $500 Network Attached Storage RAID server (with slimserver) $500 Room acoustic improvements $500 Wifi PDA as a remote $500 to the wife (helps the sound. Trust me) I submit that digital active crossover, room correction, and a dedicated amp per driver will be easily recognized by the most blind of tester: flatter and wider (more natural) frequency response, much higher dampening (clean sound), much higher dynamic (realistic: 1812 Telarc cannons). With all the big ticket items to explore out there why do we still talk about cables and power supplies? -- arge arge's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6155 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Hello Monty, I know where you're coming from! I had CDX/XPS/82/SC/250. I now use a modified SB3 into a Bel Canto DAC3 and Bel Canto amps (no pre required). I also use a Powerbook via iTunes/USB into the same DAC. I enjoy digital a lot more with this setup and love the flexibility and sound it brings to music playback. The SB3 is a great device! Maybe worth giving the Transporter a listen too. Good luck with your search. -- sonofcolin Bolder Mod SB3 Bel Canto DAC3 Bel Canto Ref 1000's Dynaudio Contour 3 sonofcolin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Monty, I'm using the same. You will not find the sb3/BM Dac1 better than cdx2/xps2. However it's a very close call. Most listeners cannot detect a difference. One person said the bass lines are more defined with the cdp. Even the house Naim sound is replicated in the BM Dac1. As mentioned before, some say the BM Dac1 is a little clinical. Maybe you should try a different Dac if you're moving away from the Naim sound. Did you try changing your Nap200 before you ditched the Naim gear? I found a 250/2 a huge step up from the 200. Keith -- KeithL KeithL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9272 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
