Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?
I too think you should get better speakers. I understand your reluctance since you recently bought your other speakers but 1,000.00 will buy you some very nice speakers that will make a much bigger improvement in your system than the Benchmark. The diference between good 1,000.00 speakers and what you have is MUCH greater than the diference between the Benchmark and SB3 DAC. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39226 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Phil Leigh;234523 Wrote: I'm tired of pointing out that 30 years ago we measured different things and thought that we knew what we were doing - and now we all know that was simply wrong! And I'm tired of pointing out that it doesn't matter how our brain works. If you take the human brain into this equation you can't measure anything at all, because we all have different experience. It's just an excuse for 'audiophiles' to be able to doubt any scientific approach of qualifying their Furthermore: the functioning of human hearing is pretty well known, how we test human hearing is nowadays no different than how we did it 30 years ago. -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Opaqueice, Thanks for the advice. I certainly will try a 'stock' SB3 against the SB+ opaqueice;234501 Wrote: Before spending $2000 do yourself a favor and compare it blind to a stock SB3. Just make sure the levels are matched (they probably will be already if the volumes are set the same, but not necessarily - it depends on what he's done to it). After many years being a Naim user - I have come to realise the theory of deminishing returns, is real. All the best, MontyW -- Monty_W Monty_W's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13508 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
tomjtx;234582 Wrote: servies, I think you might be missing the point. We are listening to music, not test tones. The point is that he's not listening to you guys either. He may be reading the posts and typing a reply, but is it really going in? One problem with internet fora is that people often join them to talk, not to listen. Stop feeding the troll. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
I'm curious as to exactly what tests an engineer would enact to compare two cables. What specific measurements would be taken? Are these tests complete enough to truly be able to replicate all of the elements involved in our hearing? I'm reminded of the many debates that have been posted on this forum about jitter. If I remember correctly, someone posted that the ability to test for jitter and in fact even the comprehension of the possibility of such a phenomenon did not occur until sometime after digital audio was created. During this time period did people argue about the sound of one converter vs another? If jitter was introduced into the signal path (let's assume there was some sort of cause without getting caught up in this detail) and was more prevalent in one design than another, it would not have shown up in any tests during that time period. Without a test or a term for the difference in sound quality between the two units, an argument could be made in a forum that if they had similar measurements there should be no sonic difference between the two units. Again, I'm not saying anything about the 7k cable. I have no idea of it's value or sonic impact. But with regard to the ability to measure the impact of one cable versus another, is it possible that we have not yet identified the qualifying variable and as a result have not come up with an appropriate test? Food for thought? Maybe I'm way off base. It's late this evening... __ Transporter = ATC SCA2 = ATC SCM 100SL AT Ayre C5XE = ATC SCA2 = ATC SCM 100SL AT -- musiklov3r musiklov3r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?
I'm a big fan of getting the digital source right, more than most on this forum, but even I would suggest that you wouldn't get great value from spending on your front end in such a system. I guess that if you see the next couple of years being spent gradually upgrading your hifi, then it could make sense, but to be honest that's not a particularly rewarding process. Spend half the money on music, save the rest, and splurge out on a big upgrade in three years. Spending smaller amounts on a fairly well-balanced system is often more a distraction than an improvement, IMO. Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39226 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
pablolie;234563 Wrote: Heisenberg paradigm: measuring something sometimes interferes with the result... You've heard of Godwin's Law (that sooner or later in any heated online discussion, someone brings up the Nazis)? There seems to be a specialised version used in audiophile forums: sooner or later someone brings up quantum mechanics. Does this mean this thread is now finished? (I sincerely hope so!) -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?
Appreciate all your response to my thread and share me your experience. Currently, my speakers and amplifier are well matched though they are entry-level. I enjoy very much the sound produced. Well, I agree with adamslim's point, save the money for future big upgrading. However, I prefer gradual upgrading rather than big 'jump' to enjoy sound differences of each upgrading. -- auronthas Auronthas Digital Sources: Squeezebox 3 / Cambridge Audio 540C V2 Integrated Amplifier: Cambridge Audio 540A Loudspeaker: Acoustic Energy EVO One Cables: Interconnect: Van den Hul The Source Cables: Speaker: Van den Hul Goldwater / Ortofon SPK 200 Accessories: Tajima Power Conditioner OS: Window Vista SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0 - 13411 Wired/wireless router: Aztech DSL600EW (ADSL2/2, Wireless 802.11b/g 125Mbps 4-port ethernet router) auronthas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39226 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?
harmonic wrote: Speakers are a very personal thing, the all sound different . I beleive in first find the speaker you like the sound of then find the amplifire that drives them best . But one problem when you move up in higer caliber speakers the become more and more transperant, and if the upstram gear is not up to the task , the sound becomes grainy or even anoying. But since it sounds like you have found a speaker you like i would considder the sb3+ mod or buy a transporter. As adam points out the source have a huge effect on have musical the systems sounds. I would much rather have a very good source and a lesser amp and speaker then the other way around. I agree with all this. I have very inexpensive amp/speaker combination - Rotel RC-870BX Pre and RB-850 Power, both bought from ebay) and a pair of BW DM610 speakers that I bought new in 1989 with my student grant cheque! This combination is sufficiently powerful enough and transparent for me to enjoy my Transporter through it. The only possible upgrade I would consider is a pair of powered professional monitors, and that's more for the compactness and convenience than anything else. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Let's try to explain it: we have cable A and cable B. They both have different physical characteristics, so they could sound different, that's what we want to proof. We hook 'm up between an amplifier and some speakers. We put a microphone somewhere in front of the speakers. This microphone registers everything which is coming out of the speakers. We compare the signals produced with cable A with the signals produced with cable B. As the cables are the only changing part, if there is a difference, the cables will be the source of the difference. In this case they match completely. Now tell me: where does the brain have any influence on the signal of the cables other than the placebo effect? You're not hooked up to the cable (at least I haven't seen anyone yet with plugs in his head...) Another way to test it would be to check the signal right after it enters the speakers, if the signals are the same, the speakers won't sound different... Or do you guys have intelligent speakers that think: Wow, I now have superduper expensive cables, I'm getting the same signal but let's start dancing so that the 'audiophile' in front of us gets a reason to rectify his/her purchase... @CliveB, by mentioning Godwin's law you automatically fulfill it ;) -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
Faceplate mania...it IS distracting when things don't match. I recently spray-painted an HDTV tuner black to match my other stuff. Another pet peeve is the abundance of blindingly bright LEDs on some consumer electronics. I cover them with a bit of museum putty to preserve my eyesight and sanity. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mid life hi-fi crisis
Monty_W;234578 Wrote: Thanks for the advice. I certainly will try a 'stock' SB3 against the SB+ If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you post the results of your comparison here on the forum? I think many would be quite interested in them, particularly if you do it blind. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39182 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;234628 Wrote: Geez... still living in the 1940's? @adamSlim, maybe, the microphones aren't perfect, but that's the case for both tests (cable A and B) and that also would be eliminated if you go for option B (comparing the signal at the entrance of the speakers), but ofcourse there will be some invisible elves who enhance your hearing when you use the superduper expensive cables... whatever, if it gives you a comfortable feeling... You are still missing the point. If I have two identical cardboard boxes, one filled with gold and the other with lead, and the measuring device available to me is a camera, the boxes measure equally. Obviously, they are not equal in a relevant way, but my measurement system is not sophisticated enough to detect it. It is certainly likely that there are limits to our current measurements for audio, so some relevant difference could be undetectable by those measurements. In practical terms, you may be correct. Perhaps there are no limitations in our measurement technology that can account for meaningful, audible differences. However, the possibility clearly exists. Intellectually, I do favor double-blind testing. If someone can tell the difference in a well-constructed, double-blind test, then it exists (statistically speaking). If your instruments cannot measure a difference, then it is a limitation of your instruments. If they can, then perhaps that difference explains the difference in human perception, but perhaps it is something else that your instruments cannot detect. In no one can tell the difference in a well-constructed, double-blind test, then for all practical purposes the difference does not exist. If your instruments can measure a difference, then it must be a difference that is not audible. If they cannot, fine, but they still may be limited in detecting factors that are not audible. Finally, I am very skeptical regarding mega-expensive cables, and I can think of virtually no circumstance under which I would value them given their cost. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies wrote: Robin Bowes;234617 Wrote: Or are you now telling me that we can produce microphones that can perform as well as the human ear? Geez... still living in the 1940's? Microphones are tone controls. The most lust object micros are Neumanns from the 50s and RCA ribbons from the 30s. Many modern clones are on the market. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
jeffmeh;234644 Wrote: An elephant just quantum tunnelled to appear intact in my living room. Should I reconsider buying the expensive cables? Is the elephant wearing headphones? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
If I had to guess at what the difference is between a better performing cable and an inferior cable, for instance the Belden 1800f vs Monster cable or Whirlwind as the inferior cable, it would be a combination of frequency response and distortion. The more accurate the playback equipment and room, the more influential small amounts of distortion or frequency irregularities will impact the overall sound. What I have found as that I have upgraded my system, new flaws that were imperceptible (or masked by bigger problems) before are found and become more difficult to solve. For instance, upgrading to a more expensive cd player or DAC like the SB3 to the Transporter is a fairly easy change to make, it just requires additional funds and the knowledge or experimentation to determine which of the more expensive CD units are worth it. Some companies are marketing based, others are engineering based and if I'm spending a large amount of money on audio gear, I'd rather buy one where the funds have gone into engineering. However, once you have high performance from your amps, speakers, and source, and improved room acoustics, the cabling and power while making less noticeable or less cost efficient differences in the beginning, now must be focused on to improve the level of the system. Just as acousticians discuss improving the acoustics so that the room can handle higher levels of spl without adding acoustic distortion, as you listen at higher volumes the impact of distortion and coloration by cables becomes readily apparent. I'm not familiar with the measurements for distortion. Can they measure the full frequency spectrum? If there is an analog form of jitter induced by cabling that increases harshness on transients and clouds the audio information by creating random electronic micro-echoes of the signal due to timing irregularities of the signal, would this be measured by today's distortion test? I'd like to volunteer my system for testing if anyone else in the San Francisco Bay Area would like to conduct these electrical tests or even double blind testing. The ATC speakers I use are known for their exceptionally low distortion and uniquely precise accuracy and imaging, among other engineering advances, and are used by top mastering engineers, recording engineers, movie scoring stages, composers, and performers. I'm including this as both a shameless plug (I'm in the process of opening a showroom) and because I think they are unique at highlighting sonic differences in things like cables. Speakers are only as good as the information you feed them and the room they are in, and you will never be able to hear what your speakers can't recreate accurately. _ Transporter - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT Ayre C5xe - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT -- musiklov3r musiklov3r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 interference due to titanium dental implant?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=325707cid=20947261 -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
darrenyeats;234105 Wrote: Denny, You are correct about data being handled without error on computers. If in the very rare case there is an error some part of the system crashes! Information Technology is based on error detection and correction, buffering and asynchronous transfer. This differs from the audio world where things tend to be synchronous and therefore less than reliable, and it's not obvious when there is a problem. But there is error correction in digital sound technology, too, isn't there? darrenyeats;234105 Wrote: The only areas of debate are where signals get converted into numbers (recording, mastering, ADC) and where the numbers get converted into signals (domestic player or transport e.g. SB3, Transporter). In between these stages - where only numbers exist - there is no debate that lossless formats like FLAC describe the same information as CD or WAV. But the OP's question was about the digital domain. He was asking why his DAC sounds different when it receives a stream of numbers from his CD player and from his SB3. If they sound different, then the two streams of numbers are different. Surely we can all accept that. Either the difference is in the digital or the psychological domain. darrenyeats;234105 Wrote: Hence if FLAC and WAV sound different the cause must be something affecting the physical player - differences in RFI from network activity, differences in noise from on-board processing etc. - or (very likely this is the reason) psychological factors. Darren I think, Darren, that you might be looking for problems where they don't exist. Banks have networks, and RFI, but they don't lose bits, why should music equipment lose bits? Networking systems are robust - what goes in comes out. I'm surprised that this discussion has got this far without anyone mentioning jitter, which usually sends eveyone running for cover. If I can store software and recover it, and trust my bank statement, surely storing digital music and recovering it is a doddle. The technology is mature and there is huge and effective error correction where it is needed. 'Golden eared' hi-fi enthusiasts often tend to report differences they 'hear' as simple fact, like saying 'I looked out of the window and it was raining', without taking into account their subjectivity, what side of bed they got out of that day, etc, etc and without expressing any hesitancy or doubt about their opinions, or recognizing that they are trying to detect very tiny phenomena. I suspect that many reported differences are psycohological rather than actual. Surely many of us can agree on that. -- DennyL DennyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
Pale Blue Ego;234614 Wrote: Faceplate mania...it IS distracting when things don't match. I recently spray-painted an HDTV tuner black to match my other stuff. Another pet peeve is the abundance of blindingly bright LEDs on some consumer electronics. I cover them with a bit of museum putty to preserve my eyesight and sanity. What really pisses me off, is the vendors who insist on raised black letters on black plastic on the back of components. I have had many a tape deck VCR, receiver etc equipped like that. You find yourself on your hands and knee's crawling around the back your your components, in poor light conditions trying to figure out if it is tape in or tape out. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3-Benchmark DAC-1- Bryston(BP-25,3B)-PMC TB2 Home theater System SB2- Bryston(SP1,4B,4B)- PSB Stratus Goldi sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
the thing that trips up so many technical people when thinking about data is that if the bits are transmitted without error (or with errors corrected), that you cannot have an audible difference. but what is so often overlooked is that, unlike copying a computer file from a CD to a hard-drive, audio data requires precise timing of delivery. your file copy doesn't care if the bits come at a rate that varies slightly or greatly -- it can afford to wait until the bits arrive, and write them to the destination drive. but in audio, the bits represent the amplitude of the signal at a certain point in time -- so if you get the amplitude perfectly right, but the point in time slightly wrong, it's as if you got the amplitude slightly wrong (because the original signal would likely have been slightly different at a slightly different point in time). and of course, *how* different it would be is a function of frequency -- lower frequencies will be less wrong, higher ones more wrong. so that is why it is a fallacy to only talk about whether the bits are transmitted with errors, because audio bits are different from file bits or web page bits in that their precise timing is required to allow them to properly represen the original signal. the saving grace is that if you *know* what the timing is supposed to be apriori (i.e., it is the sampling rate), then you can get past the timin errors by buffering the bits, and play them back at the right sampling rate -- that's what accessories like the monarchy DIP do. my SB is connected to a monarchy DIP before hitting the DAC, and it sweetens and smooths the treble to a welcome (if subtle) degree. -- apeman apeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13533 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
I think he meant that he could explain it, but the simple fact that you heard what he said changed it's meaning. Not to mention that we couldn't possibly know how to test for everything that might effect the sound as it traveled from his mouth to your ears. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
two possibilities: 1) actual corruption of the bitstream, 2) jitter -- i.e. 1) are the bits being changed en-route? 2) are the right bits getting to the DAC, but not at the right time? to test for bitstream corruption, take a DTS encoded audio disc (e.g., the moodys blues days of future past) and rip one track to a WAV file, just like you'd rip a normal CD track to a WAV file. play that thru the squeezebox, and run the S/PDIF output from the squeezebox to an A/V receiver that recognizes a DTS bitstream. WARNING - TURN THE VOLUME CONTROL WAY DOWN FIRST!!! if you get a correctly decode DTS bitstream, you'll hear music, and can conclude that the bitstream is intact. if you get white noise at a loud level (which is why you must turn the volumn down first), somewhere along the way the bits are being changed. in my experience, any change to them will be audible as degradation, usually a a muddying quality, felt most as adding edginess to the treble. but if the bits are intact, it would be down to jitter. a jitter reducer (like the monarch DIP classic) can be beneficial to clean things up, because it re-clocks the bitstream prior to sending it to the DAC. also, different digital interconnect cables can effect jitter. and the RCA S/PDIF output will likely have lower jitter than the toslink output. hope that helps... -- apeman apeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13533 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
opaqueice;234637 Wrote: Haha, that's funny... I thought exactly the same thing when I read that post! I had a little of that sinking feeling I get at cocktail parties when someone finds out I'm a physicist and brings up QM - that how-can-I-explain-politely-that-you-have-absolutely-no-idea-what-you're -talking-about feeling... My cousin is a professor and research physicist at Stanford, working on the SLA. I'm a pretty smart guy by most measures of intelligence and can hold my own with him on a wide variety of topics. I once asked him if he could explain QM to me. As he is family, he didn't have to be polite. He said he could explain it, but there was simply no way in hell I could understand it. After thinking about that statement, I believed it explained QM in layman's terms about as succinctly as possible. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
jaysung;234667 Wrote: 3. I am quite satisfied with the setup actually. Do you answer your own question? You can always get something better, but surely it's best to wait until you have heard something so hauntingly good that you've just got to have it? In that case, rather than try to tweak what you have or undertake things that 'should' improve your system, you can make whatever step change is necessary. I'd save your money right now. HTH Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
Here's a test: start with a CD track - so we know exactly what the bits are. put through a good DAC and analogue interconnects to a suitable high quality and calibrated ADC - record the bits. Compare the recorded bits with the original bits. Any change must be induced by the cable. Repeat with endless cables - analyze the results. I'd expect to find that some cables changed the sound and some didn't... Anyone care to try this? (I don't have a suitable ADC anymore or I'd do it myself) The benchmark would be with the DAC and ADC hard-wired with no intervening cable... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
Hello, I know we have had it over and over again and even worse the general point seems to be clear. How would it look for my special case then: I have: - transporter via xlr into - Marantz PM-11s1 via Bluematrix copper cables into - 2 x Dali Helicon 400 --- Since the Marantz is an integrated amp I keep thinking about replacing it with just two mono power amps. Or even more consequent: Replace speakers and amp with active speakers in the same budget. Now some questions: 1. If I just have mono power amps or active speakers how is volume control managed then? 2. Do those mono blocks run hotter, louder or in any way more eneergy hungry? 3. I am quite satisfied with the setup actually. Will there be lots of improvement in terms of transparent play? If I stick to the same financial frame. 4. Would bi-wiring my current setup bring about signifficant results? 5. Any concrete recommendations? Thanks as always Jeronimo -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
I think Adam's comment makes a lot of sense. If you are not feeling like something needs to be improved and aren't haunted by something else that you have heard, you might just be in a perfect place to really enjoy your music collection and add to it. There is always something better, but if I could go back in time and not be exposed to better sound systems, I'd be enjoying my old system and would have a lot more money...and perhaps be just as happy. Reminds me of Pandora's box. One positive for active speakers is that the manufacturer has matched the amplifier to the speaker and possibly put the crossover before the amplifiers so that the amplifiers are operating in a more efficient manner. IMHO I think this lends itself to a better cost to value ratio than finding your own amp to match. The Transporter makes a fantastic pre-amp to drive an amplifier or active speakers directly, and a dedicated preamp that would surpass the performance of this setup is extremely expensive, so I think you are focusing on the right areas. You might also want to review your acoustics and see if minor, inexpensive changes might increase your performance more than the other upgrades you mentioned. Transporter - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT Ayre C5xe - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT adamslim;234685 Wrote: Do you answer your own question? You can always get something better, but surely it's best to wait until you have heard something so hauntingly good that you've just got to have it? In that case, rather than try to tweak what you have or undertake things that 'should' improve your system, you can make whatever step change is necessary. I'd save your money right now. HTH Adam -- musiklov3r musiklov3r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;234617 Wrote: Or are you now telling me that we can produce microphones that can perform as well as the human ear? adamslim;234626 Wrote: snip Your test is pointless. Actually it's not a bad idea. What you both seem to be missing is that everything we listen to over an audio system has already passed through a microphone at some point (except some electronic music). If mics have major imperfections that distort sound those imperfections are already present in the recording. Of course what's more direct is simply to do cable a listening test. But wait - that's been done many times, and no one can distinguish reasonably decent cables from each other unless they can see them! What a shock - extremely sensitive measurements indicate that cables are nearly identical, hearing tests indicate that they are identical, physics theory tells us they should be very very similar... and the only argument on the other side is the opinions of some cable manufacturers and a few neurotic audiophiles? Why are we still discussing this? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XLR to RCA cable/connector
Thanks - and that's what I've understood from elsewhere. It also agrees with what Sean says about it being best to have the -ve unconnected. So... As I said up front, my preference would be to stick with my current cable and put the adapter at the DAC end. If (as you suggest) nearly all adapters DO have the -ve unconnected then there won't be an issue, but that is the question I would need a definite answer to from any manufacturer before buying an adapter. This all assumes my Vegas trip goes to plan next month and I still have money left for a DAC :) -- Skittler Dave. SB3 -- Cyrus 8vs -- PMC FB1 Skittler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11280 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39209 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
servies;234613 Wrote: This microphone registers everything which is coming out of the speakers. It's quite a good one then. Transducers are not perfect. Ears have flaws and tolerances, microphones have flaws and tolerances. Your argument has flaws. Difference testing on interconnects where the electronic signal can be digitised at 24/96 (or greater) and compared has a lot more mileage than using a microphone, but I am still not convinced by its applicability to music. Your test is pointless. (Why am I feeding the troll?) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
seanadams;234542 Wrote: As it happens I was just about to pick up some more black gear, so assuming you're in the US I will trade you my silver one. emailing you... Sounds like a good deal, as it basically comes with a lifetime warranty, in hey Sean, this is the one you gave me, how come it broke after ten years, it's a dud, gimme another! :) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
I suppose he meant that he could probably explain it and that you probably wouldn't understand it... ;o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Robin Bowes;234617 Wrote: Or are you now telling me that we can produce microphones that can perform as well as the human ear? R. Geez... still living in the 1940's? -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
cliveb;234593 Wrote: You've heard of Godwin's Law (that sooner or later in any heated online discussion, someone brings up the Nazis)? There seems to be a specialised version used in audiophile forums: sooner or later someone brings up quantum mechanics. Does this mean this thread is now finished? (I sincerely hope so!) Haha, that's funny... I thought exactly the same thing when I read that post! I had a little of that sinking feeling I get at cocktail parties when someone finds out I'm a physicist and brings up QM - that how-can-I-explain-politely-that-you-have-absolutely-no-idea-what-you're -talking-about feeling... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
GoCubs;234647 Wrote: I'd have him sign it too! Maybe someday it'll end up in the Smithsonian or something! A bit off-topic, but I still get annoyed every time I travel through San Francisco's airport terminal where they have a cool showcase on technological innovation/development. There are product displays for both Sonos and Roku (think I'll take some pics when I travel through again next week), but no SlimDevices. What gives, especially considering SFO's proximity to SlimDevices HQ!?!? -Greg Yeah, that display pisses me off. Whoever put the display together simply missed the great stuff that had been designed at Slim Devices. Baffling. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
jaysung;234667 Wrote: Hello, Now some questions: 1. If I just have mono power amps or active speakers how is volume control managed then? Volume control on the TP... jaysung;234667 Wrote: 2. Do those mono blocks run hotter, louder or in any way more eneergy hungry? Depends on their design - class D monoblocks would run cooler...Class A would run hotter jaysung;234667 Wrote: 3. I am quite satisfied with the setup actually. Will there be lots of improvement in terms of transparent play? If I stick to the same financial frame. Maybe - maybe not - only your ears/brain can decide jaysung;234667 Wrote: 4. Would bi-wiring my current setup bring about signifficant results? Maybe - maybe not - only your ears/brain can decide jaysung;234667 Wrote: 5. Any concrete recommendations? Personally I prefer ReadyMix Concrete, but YMMV :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?
If speakers vary most in presentation and SQ, as opposed to source and amps, surly it would be best to get the source pretty much to how you like it with current speakers and then when money allows pick from the huge range of different sounding speakers to get exactly what your after, or more than likely blow your expectitions away (in a good way). Rather than speakers 1st (with current kit) and then later try and choose from a smaller choice of different sounding sources to get exactly what your after I'm unable to comment my self at the mo as still on first hifi rung of speakers and source, and second amp(s). :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39226 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
I haven't posted here before (just passing through because squeezenetwork is on the blink), but I thought I would add my experience to the thread. Friends (not audiophiles, and highly skeptical) and I blind tested (not double blind)a squeezebox vs. a Bolder modified (digital only) squeezebox. The rest of the digital processing system is a Behringer Deq 2496, into a Lavry da10. The power supply was a Bolder modified Elpac. All of us could hear a significant difference: the Bolder modified squeezebox was better. One non-audiophile friend called the Bolder modified squeezebox brighter. I would say it was clearer and the background was blacker--the grunge was removed. We also briefly tested the Bolder modified squeezebox as a source vs. a Marantz 8260's digital out (i.e. using the Marantz as a transport). Again a difference: the Bolder modified squeezebox was better--it had better control of the bass--a cleaner sound. So, yes, the transport matters. Frankly, I was surprised by the degree of difference. By the way, we also tested the coax (Blue Jean Cable) out of the Bolder modified squeezebox vs. the optical out using a cheap BestBuy quality Toslink. I was surprised to find the Toslink was better--again it cleaned up some grunge (I presume RFI/EMI is the culprit)--instruments and voices had more body. FWIW -- ragrossman ragrossman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3843 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
DennyL;234726 Wrote: If they sound different, then the two streams of numbers are different. Surely we can all accept that. Nope. Ceejay. -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to provecables areworth money
JimC;234687 Wrote: My cousin is a professor and research physicist at Stanford, working on the SLA. I'm a pretty smart guy by most measures of intelligence and can hold my own with him on a wide variety of topics. I once asked him if he could explain QM to me. As he is family, he didn't have to be polite. He said he could explain it, but there was simply no way in hell I could understand it. After thinking about that statement, I believed it explained QM in layman's terms about as succinctly as possible. -= Jim Feynman's QED is a pleasant afternoon read for anyone with just a little background (say a semester of college physics or a good high school program, and reasonable recall thereof), and it'll get a lot of the main points across rather effectively. You're not going to master quantum field theory without knowing a fair bit of calculus, but you can get a reasonably broad understanding of many of the important concepts in quantum mechanics. It's quite accurate and insightful, unlike many popular science books that just give the reader some buzzwords to spout at cocktail parties. It's also incredibly well-written. -- SumnerH SumnerH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality
Denny, The timing does matter here. The same bits with different timing can yield different audio output. Jitter does exist, although one can argue about its significance. If you read up on the SPDIF protocol and understand how the clock is obtained from the data signal itself, you will see that it is indeed different from moving a data file across a network. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Terrible Transporter Speaker Hum
[EMAIL PROTECTED];234768 Wrote: I cant believe this is a ground loop issue as my sb3 or sb2 dont have this issue when connected to these systems. If the hum is 60hz, it's either ground loop, or a defective TP. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39255 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
Yep, in a way I answer my question but wanted to know what others would think in my situation. And yes it is a bit like Pandora's box. The worst case scenario would be: - someone tells me about that phantastic amp - my local dealer is having it - and gives it to me for a home demo - and then ... Yep, good point made on active speakers: Where are the croos over networks located. Before or after the amp. Cause if they would be after the amp I wouldn't quite see the point since then you basically should have shuffled the place where cabling is done. Either way you got to connect the tp to amps and those to drivers in any form. In you fit amp and drivers in one box the cable from the tp will be longer since you want to have the two speakers well apart. In my current setup on the other hand I have got short xlr and rather longish copper wires to the speakers. Volume control only via transporter? But then the amps would need to always amplify as much as they can since they themselves didn't have any measurement to decide for the volume. Wouldn't that mean that they add to energy comsumption and possibly distortion? Phil : What is the difference between a and d somethings? Cheers -- jaysung jaysung's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12375 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
Yes, in a good active speaker design, they will put the crossover before the amps. Running longer xlr interconnects is usually preferred to running long speaker lines as there is less potential for interference due to the balanced design and interconnects are usually cheaper than speaker cable. With regard to amplification, Class A is considered to be the premium analog amplifier design while Class D stands for digital amplification. I don't believe that you will increase the distortion or power consumption by using an amplifier in an active speaker. While it is true that the amps will be at full volume, typically this is done in a separates setup anyway. The amps are at full power and the pre-amp is used to control the volume. Currently you are using an integrated pre-amp and amplifier which with regard to sound quality is considered inferior to having the amps and pre-amp separated. So to get to the next level of amplifier/pre-amplifier performance you would be faced with the power consumption issue either way. Hopefully someone can educate us as to the power consumption of amplifiers. I don't believe they consume as much left on with low volume playback or with nothing on compared to playback at full volume. Hope this helps, Will Transporter - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT Ayre C5xe - ATC SCA2 - ATC SCM100ASLT -- musiklov3r musiklov3r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
musiklov3r wrote: With regard to amplification, Class A is considered to be the premium analog amplifier design while Class D stands for digital amplification. It is true that many audiophiles assume that Class A is better than Class B, but this is not high school grading. The term refers to the circuit topology, how it addresses analog signals. Class A amps use a single amp to handle both the postitive and negative portions of the sine wave. All audio is sine waves. This is very inefficient. Class A amps (preamps, etc.) draw large amounts of power when there is no signal, Class B amps split the sine wave into two parts, negative and postitive. They then amplify them separately, with one half doing positive 0 to X and the other half doing negative 0 to -X. The signals are combined for full wave. This means that when there is no signal, the amp does not amplify anything. Many audiophile amps are Class AB, which run as Class A for low signals and switch to Class B for more power. They attempt to get the simple circuit of the Class A without the evil energy waste of a Class A. It is extremely rare to find a Class A amp that puts out more than 20 watts. The marketing departments of companies selling Class A amps like to claim that they are best. But its not clear. Good Class B amps can be better than Class A amps. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
Thanks for the kind offer, Sean. (And sorry for the slow response -- got swamped at work.) I had the send the silver Bryston integrated back, so now I can keep shopping for a black amp to match the Transporter. -- gregeas gregeas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5877 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
gregeas;234808 Wrote: Thanks for the kind offer, Sean. (And sorry for the slow response -- got swamped at work.) I had the send the silver Bryston integrated back, so now I can keep shopping for a black amp to match the Transporter. If you don't mind me asking, what happened with the Bryston? . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My experience implementing John Swenson's Synchronous Reclocking Circuit
I am waiting for our contribution. -- askchan askchan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38967 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
Pat Farrell;234800 Wrote: It is extremely rare to find a Class A amp that puts out more than 20 watts. I wouldn't say exactly rare. Atma-Sphere's tube amps start at 30W. :) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Integrated amp versus active speakers
I have become ahuge believer in the future potential of simplicity and stuff like SB + active speakers. I am amazed by the price-performance ratio of the SB3-Audioengine5 combo. As people are probably getting tired of hearing, I have temporarily moved from my (larger) home to a studio apartment. In my home, I have been listening to music through a high end Accuphase chain feeding into artesan German speakers tweaked by a renowned audiolab. It is not an esoteric $100k+ system, but it is pretty nice, and has received plenty of acolades from fellow enthusiasts. So when I moved, knowing I could not be without music, and knowing I could not take my system, I was worried. Here I am, one month into this. The Audioengine 5s are probably still not entirely broken in, but it is amazing how musical and detailed they are. At a fraction of the price of my home stereo. The SB3 holds no surprises, I have been a hige fan since I bought one in January 06, and by now have 2 of them. I think the future belongs to the simple streamer-into-active-speakers concept. really. Elegant, simple, nice to look at, and very balanced at a fraction of the price. Wow. I am not yet done evaluating, I shall do so in a few weeks. But suffice to say: while I do miss my home system, I thoroughly enjoy and am incredibly grateful I get to enjoy the simple system I now use while away - it's a lifesaver, and an eye-opener. The high end audio game will tip that way. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39239 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
