Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
The rooms only 8' wide, so the speakers can't be much more than 6' apart. Sitting 12' away would give a very narrow stereo image, which would be degraded even more by the increased proportion of indirect sound at that distance, especially as there doesn't seem to be any plans for room treatment. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
I think Tank needs to say what his expectations are in terms of sound, because getting a nice sound should be possible, but getting a great sound won't be possible because of the size of the room and specifically: 1) available width between speakers 2) proximity of rear wall to listening position 3) likely flutter echo down long dimension (will need stuff on the walls to break that up 4) likely ratio of reflected to direct sound will be too high Even without the table/chairs, the room size doesn't quite work IME because of the 8ft dimension. you need 1m behind and to the sides of speakers (unless you have speakers that are designed to work against walls). IME you need 8-10 feet between spekakers and the same to the listener you need at least 1m behind the listening position. If the room is a long-term thing, I'd seriously look at different (small) speakers... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;609130 Wrote: If you couldn't hear differences between Duet and Arcam Alpha 6, wait till you compare Arcam to the modded Touch. Touch will blow it out of the water! I understand that all current SB models, including the SB3, produce a bit perfect signal at 100% volume. Several posters reported that they could decode multi channel formats, like AC3, forwarded by their SB at 100% volume. That should be enough evidence. So the only difference between the signal of the SB models is the jitter of their timing. I understand that all current DACs = $500 have an input buffer so that they can re-sync the signal with their own clock. If all of the above is true then it is theoretically impossible to hear any difference between any of the SB models connected to a proper DAC. Am I missing something? -- Bas Cancrinus Bas Cancrinus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Bas Cancrinus;609291 Wrote: I understand that all current SB models, including the SB3, produce a bit perfect signal at 100% volume. Several posters reported that they could decode multi channel formats, like AC3, forwarded by their SB at 100% volume. That should be enough evidence. So the only difference between the signal of the SB models is the jitter of their timing. I understand that all current DACs = $500 have an input buffer so that they can re-sync the signal with their own clock. If all of the above is true then it is theoretically impossible to hear any difference between any of the SB models connected to a proper DAC. Am I missing something? Yes, you are. Even though it's theoretically impossible for there to be differences in the sound waves hitting your eardrums, what I've learned from a number of threads recently is that's it's still theoretically possible for someone to 'hear' a difference. Yeah, go figure. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
chill;609294 Wrote: Yes, you are. Even though it's theoretically impossible for there to be differences in the sound waves hitting your eardrums, what I've learned from a number of threads recently is that's it's still theoretically possible for someone to 'hear' a difference. Yeah, go figure. Yep, my grandmother heard people living in her attic talking to her every night. And my wife's grandfather heard his fellow soldiers from WWII talking to him in his hospital room when he was 90. But back to the science, yes, bit perfect is bit perfect, but the TIMING of the bits arrival is a separate issue (this is where one gets into jitter, clocking, and all that...) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;609087 Wrote: I just had an idea. Could you do me a favour. Does the chipmonk effect disappaers if you: Go to Server settings/Your-Player/Audio Change your mp3 streaming method to Proxied Streaming Let us know what happens. Cheers Guten Tag, I enabled the audio output mod back to analog only -- the chipmunks returned. I changed the mp3 streaming setting to proxied streaming and it had no effect -- the chipmunk effect was still there. Thanks for your suggestion. Tchuess. -- wunderhund wunderhund's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43084 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;609087 Wrote: Does the chipmonk effect disappaers if you: Go to Server settings/Your-Player/Audio Change your mp3 streaming method to Proxied Streaming Let us know what happens. Cheers Changing the streaming method does not solve the problem. And it's not only affecting very few stations but quite many, especially talk-radios. What's also interessting, the pitch-shift is not the same on all affected stations. Some sound higher and faster than others and in some there are dropouts (sound goes silent for a few seconds). But it's defenitely connected to the output-mod. As soon as you activate all outputs the problem's gone. Very strange indeed... -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
mlsstl;609198 Wrote: Others have pointed out that the improvement may have been the result of clean connections from unplugging replugging cables. But it may have also been the culmination of various unconscious influences that day. Some you might be able to understand (getting your good sound back was a great relief) but other things might be more difficult to spot and sort. +1. I've noticed that my equipment sounds better when I get back to listening to it after a few days of no-stereo. A theoretical impossibility? Only if one's theory does not take the effects of familiarity into account. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
garym;609299 Wrote: But back to the science, yes, bit perfect is bit perfect, but the TIMING of the bits arrival is a separate issue (this is where one gets into jitter, clocking, and all that...) But is the timing of the SB signal really an issue? From http://www.rega.co.uk/html/DAC.htm Jitter was minimised by synchronously clocking the digital data with our receiver PLL (removing any jitter from the input signal). What I read is: the only jitter in the analog output signal of your DAC is generated by that DAC and not by your SB, because its jitter was already removed by the DAC's input stage. So again, am I missing something? -- Bas Cancrinus Bas Cancrinus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Acoustical wallpaper in UK
Phil Leigh;609213 Wrote: Darren - be careful with this stuff. You can turn a room into an anechoic chamber if you aren't careful :-) Some ac wallpaper is essentially just old-fashioned flock... which will be as good as anything for mild HF flutter echo. If you are looking for sound proofing that's different... Phil, thanks. I think we're on the same page. I have sloped front and back walls so I'm planning to wallpaper only the side walls and the sides of the dormer recess. It should look good too, that way. And again you're spot on, I'm aiming to fix my nasty flutter echo rather than soundproof. The bass modes and probably bass RT60 are also issues and excessive deadening will make things worse. ATM I have thin blankets draped on the sides. I'm after a lighter touch than that as long as the flutter echo goes; perhaps regular flock will do it. The problem is, leaving any significant part of the side walls bare brings the flutter echo. Given the room is narrow and the walls are painted plaster board, not surprising. Cheers, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
I believe (but not an expert on this by any means) that the timing issue (jitter) would be between the digital out of the SB and the digital in of the DAC, if one is using a DAC. But I also believe that jitter is an overblown problem and a nonissue for 99% of us (i.e, it is the boogyman of digital audio). And certainly not an issue with most SB player users, including the ones with high end equipment. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
garym;609372 Wrote: I believe (but not an expert on this by any means) that the timing issue (jitter) would be between the digital out of the SB and the digital in of the DAC, if one is using a DAC. But I also believe that jitter is an overblown problem and a nonissue for 99% of us (i.e, it is the boogyman of digital audio). And certainly not an issue with most SB player users, including the ones with high end equipment. And yes, some DACs handle jitter better than others. I believe my Benchmark DAC I is known to handle jitter quite well. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Bas Cancrinus;609367 Wrote: What I read is: the only jitter in the analog output signal of your DAC is generated by that DAC and not by your SB, because its jitter was already removed by the DAC's input stage. So again, am I missing something? Geniuses over at lessloss (http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=41) claim that they know the secret that can make a $15.00 DVD player sound better than a $20,000 CD player. their philosophy: enslave the player with DAC's clock. If you believe that, you'll save yourself a lot of money. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
stop-spinning;609175 Wrote: Wow - that's some statement I am keen to follow up! When you say modded Touch are you talking about software wise or both software and hardware wise? How does the stock Touch perform before modification - will it still give the Arcam a good hiding before being supercharged? And because I started this thread concerned about the quality of the digital outs - I am more concerned about just using the Reciever as a transport then slapping an appropriate DAC on the end of it (such as a Rega DAC) which should subsequently blow a modded Touch of the water (if it takes that amount to torpedo it). I never planned to ever use any SB without external DAC as a true audiophile source - I would have throught the priority of the unit alone would have been convenience and looks to accommodate the mass market - rather than top notch tuned audiophile sound quality. Perhaps very good sound quality but not, in stock form at least, 'hi-end' for want of a better phrase. If you follow the steps I'm going to outline below, you will easily achieve high end audiophile performance on a shoestring budget: 1. Order Beresford Caiman DAC (http://www.beresford.me/PP/Caiman__DAC.html); it will cost you £179.99 (only $290.00). But before you do that, call Stan Beresford (the genius behind this amazing DAC, and ask him to Gatorize it for ya (he'll know what you mean). For additional $50.00, it will be well worth the effort, because Gatorized Caiman is a ferocious DAC that can compete shoulder to shoulder with many $2,000+ DACs I've listened to. 2. Order Logitech Squeezebox Touch ($300.00). 3. Connect your Touch to the Caiman DAC. 4. Follow the instructions on this page to the letter: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html 5. Lastly, follow the instructions on this page: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html Voila! For approximately $700.00, and some additional fiddling with the mods, you'll have a digital player that can easily compete with Linn Akurate ($8,000 retail). In my opinion, modded Touch fed into Gatorized Caiman can almost outperform these $5,000+ plus players. All you need to top it off is a good digital coaxial cable, and a decent pair of analog interconnects, and no one will be able to wipe the wide idiotic grin off your face. As far as unmodded Touch goes, even then you'll notice drastic improvement in the sound quality, compared to the Duet. I know, I've been myself through all these upgrades. Started with Duet, ordered Caiman DAC, then moved to Touch, modded the Touch, and now I'm sitting in the audio nirvana land. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
soundcheck;609209 Wrote: Anybody noticed that this thread has been put into Audiophiles section. You guys know what this means. Don't you!?!? I've been into many forums, but this one is . Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, here we have an extremely specific discussion thread, talking exclusively about modifications to Logitech Touch, which is a product that has its own dedicated forum. And now someone in their infinite wisdom made a unilateral decision to move it to this wonky forum. What gives? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Soundman;609366 Wrote: Changing the streaming method does not solve the problem. And it's not only affecting very few stations but quite many, especially talk-radios. What's also interessting, the pitch-shift is not the same on all affected stations. Some sound higher and faster than others and in some there are dropouts (sound goes silent for a few seconds). But it's defenitely connected to the output-mod. As soon as you activate all outputs the problem's gone. Very strange indeed... Yeah, but who cares? People who want to listen to the horrendous sound delivered by these radio stations couldn't really be bothered with audiophile level quality of sound anyway, and so they'll never consider making Soundcheck's mods. Us raving audioholics, on the other hand, made these mods so that we could finally enjoy the highest possible sound quality, which you can't really get below 740 kbps decoding. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
de-oxit and de-oxit gold works for me http://www.caig.com/ -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
Phil Leigh;609392 Wrote: de-oxit and de-oxit gold works for me http://www.caig.com/ Thanks Phil! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
garym;609372 Wrote: I believe (but not an expert on this by any means) that the timing issue (jitter) would be between the digital out of the SB and the digital in of the DAC, if one is using a DAC. But I also believe that jitter is an overblown problem and a nonissue for 99% of us (i.e, it is the boogyman of digital audio). And certainly not an issue with most SB player users, including the ones with high end equipment. I keep my SB3 ;-) -- Bas Cancrinus Bas Cancrinus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
magiccarpetride;609388 Wrote: Hi Guido, How do you go about cleaning your interconnects? Thanks. Goo gone (Home Depot) and, like Phil Leigh, De-ox-it (Radio Shack). Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;609380 Wrote: Geniuses over at lessloss (http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=41) claim that they know the secret that can make a $15.00 DVD player sound better than a $20,000 CD player. their philosophy: enslave the player with DAC's clock. If you believe that, you'll save yourself a lot of money. Well, that IS the only way to really do the whole transport+dac thing properly... but it does require a very good clock in the DAC AND good power supplies in dac and transport. Not sure a $15 transport will quite get there... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
guidof;609403 Wrote: Goo gone (Home Depot) and, like Phil Leigh, De-ox-it (Radio Shack). Guido F. Great, I'll be making a trip to these fine establishments later today. Thanks guys! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;609382 Wrote: If you follow the steps I'm going to outline below, you will easily achieve high end audiophile performance on a shoestring budget: 1. Order Beresford Caiman DAC (http://www.beresford.me/PP/Caiman__DAC.html); it will cost you £179.99 (only $290.00). But before you do that, call Stan Beresford (the genius behind this amazing DAC, and ask him to Gatorize it for ya (he'll know what you mean). For additional $50.00, it will be well worth the effort, because Gatorized Caiman is a ferocious DAC that can compete shoulder to shoulder with many $2,000+ DACs I've listened to. 2. Order Logitech Squeezebox Touch ($300.00). 3. Connect your Touch to the Caiman DAC. 4. Follow the instructions on this page to the letter: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html 5. Lastly, follow the instructions on this page: http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html Voila! For approximately $700.00, and some additional fiddling with the mods, you'll have a digital player that can easily compete with Linn Akurate ($8,000 retail). In my opinion, modded Touch fed into Gatorized Caiman can almost outperform these $5,000+ plus players. All you need to top it off is a good digital coaxial cable, and a decent pair of analog interconnects, and no one will be able to wipe the wide idiotic grin off your face. As far as unmodded Touch goes, even then you'll notice drastic improvement in the sound quality, compared to the Duet. I know, I've been myself through all these upgrades. Started with Duet, ordered Caiman DAC, then moved to Touch, modded the Touch, and now I'm sitting in the audio nirvana land. MGC, I miss the subjective phrases like I hear and preferable sound that I've seen you use in other posts! This one comes across a bit factual when this is a subjective matter, to my mind. However, after reading your post I look forward to hearing a Caiman DAC at some point, hopefully. Cheers, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
Phil what suggestions would you make. Stand mounts would be a possibility as they will be away from my 5yr old. -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
tank121;609434 Wrote: Phil what suggestions would you make. Stand mounts would be a possibility as they will be away from my 5yr old. Gosh - If it was my room I'd absolutely be looking at these: http://www.proac-loudspeakers.com/tabref8sig.php They are the best sounding very small speaker I've heard ...maybe augmented by a sub... But this is very personal. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
tank121;609434 Wrote: Phil what suggestions would you make. Stand mounts would be a possibility as they will be away from my 5yr old. Tank, This is not a knock on Phil, but by opening up the thread to equipment suggestions you've basically opened the proverbial Pandora's Box and now this thread is going to go completely off the rails. There's absolutely NOTHING that an audiophile likes more than being able to give their recommendations for audio equipment. These recommendations almost always consist of equipment from manufacturers that no one, apart from the audiophile making the recommendation, has ever hear of and therefore it will almost impossible for you to actually see, let alone hear, any of the equipment before deciding how to spend your money. If you don't believe me just sit back and watch. As they say on a popular beer commercial here in the US: Here We Go!! -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
ralphpnj;609450 Wrote: ...There's absolutely NOTHING that an audiophile likes more than being able to give their recommendations for audio equipment. ... Actually I hate doing it! The speakers I recommended may not be well known outside of the UK (not sure). There are a myriad of other valid choices, but I would personally start my auditioning here. They are great speakers - for a room of the size in question. You really don't want big woofers exciting the 70Hz first harmonic of the room without some form of EQ or DRC...best to avoid it in the first place? Phil (probably not an audiophile) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
I'd have a listen to the smaller ATCs like the SCM 7s and SCM 11s also, and the smaller PMCs like the DB1s. Trouble is though small speakers, standsand children interact in undesirable ways! The PMCs have a dedicated wall bracket which might help. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
Pink pencil eraser works wonders for cleaning. Works very well for card edge connectors etc in your computer and there are no chemicals involved either. -- tedfroop Good judgement is the result of experience ... Experience is the result of bad judgement. -- Fred Brooks tedfroop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
tedfroop;609473 Wrote: Pink pencil eraser works wonders for cleaning. Works very well for card edge connectors etc in your computer as well and there are no chemicals involved either. True, but it won't shift certain types of oxidation an dyou can't get it in between (and thus onto) the contacts on certain types of connector. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wired vs Wireless Thoughts and Q
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
JezA;609470 Wrote: I'd have a listen to the smaller ATCs like the SCM 7s and SCM 11s also, and the smaller PMCs like the DB1s. Trouble is though small speakers, stands and children interact in undesirable ways! The PMCs have a dedicated wall bracket which might help - and would get the speakers above your table - perhaps quite high, even firing down a bit. ...which is also what I'd do with the Pro-Ac's get 'em up high(ish) on brackets firing down, well out of the way of the table By the way, if you can leave a covering (tablecloth?) on the table, that will help -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
Phil Leigh;609480 Wrote: get 'em up high(ish) on brackets firing down, well out of the way of the table I have a room I need to try this with (Bookshelf speakers up high, tilted forward, firing down). Any suggestions about what to stick under the rear of the speakers to create the tilt (that is out of sight). I vaguely recall seeing a post about some sort of stuff (like a ball of clay) for sticking under the bottom rear of speakers. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?
Try a book or something free to see whether the general effect is worthwhile. Then you could have a look at Auralex MoPads, used the 'wrong' way round - they'll give you a little possibly useful decoupling from your shelf as well as a tilt. But it's not much more to get adjustable speaker brackets - do a google for PMC BRKT-DB1 to see PMCs offering - or just click this: http://www.audiot.co.uk/stands-and-brackets/speaker-brackets/pmc/ Plenty alternatives. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;609382 Wrote: As far as unmodded Touch goes, even then you'll notice drastic improvement in the sound quality, compared to the Duet. I know, I've been myself through all these upgrades. Started with Duet, ordered Caiman DAC, then moved to Touch, modded the Touch, and now I'm sitting in the audio nirvana land. Looks like you've had an interesting ride... at first you thought the Duet was amazing referencing this post here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036#post541330 Using this comment... Very excited to hear that you (and others) are able to detect substantial improvements to the quality of sound reproduction through Caiman. My sound through Duet into the DPA 200s separates and then into a pair of Maggie planar speakers is already to die for, very hard for me to imagine how could it possibly get any better! Take for example the Rega DAC... have you tried taking that for a ride yet? Once you thought the Duet was great - now you know the Caiman is great - however just like Touch has killed the Duet - perhaps the Rega DAC is a Caiman killer? Who knows what's around the corner? Although I would have thought audio Nirvana is the end of the journey for you. But wouldn't you like to try just in case? -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I believe this occurs when the station streams material at lower than
44.1kHz sampling rate (note - not bit rate), and the asound.conf from
the toolbox.
I have a workaround, not tested enough to be declared a solution yet:
# /etc/asound.conf for digital out only:
pcm.digital {
type hw;
card TXRX;
}
ctl.digital {
type hw;
card TXRX;
}
pcm.!default digital
# mod of mod to support non-hardware sample rates:
pcm.digital {
type plug
slave {
pcm hw:0,0
}
# rest is un-changed (but still needed!)
Reboot to make the change effective.
This uses the plughw driver which will resample when needed, but afaik
there will be no effect when 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96kHz audio is sent to
alsa.
Regards.
soundcheck;609087 Wrote:
Hi folks.
The issue is not really new to me.
I thought only a very few stations would be affected. And that would be
strange enough. Why only some of them !?!??!
And standard audio is working!?!?? Hmmh.
I just had an idea. Could you do me a favour.
Does the chipmonk effect disappaers if you:
Go to Server settings/Your-Player/Audio
Change your mp3 streaming method to Proxied Streaming
Let us know what happens.
Cheers
--
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rebooting your audio system
Others have pointed out that the improvement may have been the result of clean connections from unplugging replugging cables. But it may have also been the culmination of various unconscious influences that day. Some you might be able to understand (getting your good sound back was a great relief) but other things might be more difficult to spot and sort. Very true indeed. Sometimes we need to reboot our audio systems, other times it is our brain which needs resetting. In my, over a quarter of the century long history of being audiophool, I very often found myself improving audio system only to wake up the next morning and set everything back to the original state. I try to keep the idea of the music as fresh as possible, regularly visiting local symphony and concerts. Yet, still it's very hard to obtain the same, satisfying results in my listening room. It is never ending game with countless number of changing rules. Making things worse, there is some irony here, through all of those years of ear training, I've discover that my wive and my cat are much better listener than me in the sense of being able to formulate better, objective judgments(reactions) whether my system is capable of reproducing natural sound or not. -- gizek very good music Transporter Adcom GFP-750 Citation II tube monoblocks Proac Response D2; Cardas Neutral Reference all over gizek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
@mervin_b I guess, you got it. I just looked into it. As a matter of fact. The default outputs are configured as hw devices. However, the merger of the outputs is done via type plug. ( Which is the so called plugin layer of Linux/Alsa) Choosing the plugin layer as output type under Linux is the 2nd best choice when it comes soundquality. My conclusion would be, that people who run into that chipmonk issue and can't live with it, skip the ttout mod. Because changing the output as recommended by mervin_b would slightly degrade the SQ again. You'd end up at a very similar level, if not the same , as with the original setting. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
