Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
First of all, sorry for my bad English. I just want to share some of my impressions regarding SPDIF jive_alsa value settings: By moving back forward of those, I settled finaly to SPDIF 45 jive_alsa 45 for best musical balance and coherence over the whole frequency spectrum. Suggested jive_alsa 55 by many of you sounds too soft, especially in the bass region while in the other hand improves some airy which I found a little strange, soft and less correct for my set-up. SPDIF below 45 goes to the dark side, while over it starts to sound thin by loosing gradually bass the more you higher this value. Bass becomes more contour by switching back to jive_alsa 45 and also the treble (hi-hats,...) are more defined. This my impressions on those settings and may be others for any tasting. Regards Jacky / Vienna. -- Jacky Jacky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38257 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Are the dynobot's mods compatible with soundcheck's SB Toolbox 3.0? Thanks in advance. -- Fukinagashi Fukinagashi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42922 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Fukinagashi;667098 Wrote: Are the dynobot's mods compatible with soundcheck's SB Toolbox 3.0? Thanks in advance. in soundcheck's blog he says maybe not and suggests that one not use both at the same time as this could be doing something unexpected. He says he does something similar to dynobot's mods, but in a different manner. -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) SbS 7.6.2 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.2 TouchBenchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Huge thanks Klaus! Installed and donation made. What is the recommended version of server to use? I use the latest official 7.6.1 (and I am using all Flac so no disappearing files), but is there any other benefit using the latest nightly 7.6.2 build? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi guys, I tired on two computers and have the same difficulty, the imbedded pictures doesnt display at all. A lot of settings are shown on those pictures. Does anyone have the same problem? BTW I think that TT 3.0 deserves it own tread Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Assuming you have tt 3.0 installed, try changing the priority of the spdif process to 51. chrt -f -p 51 367 Is it just me and my setup, or does this improve things further? (softer more natural highs) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Is it me or does the bass seem reduced a little with 3.0? I'm just wondering if this new definition and clarity we are are all hearing is coming at a price of losing some bottom end and fullness. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
oops installed 3.0 while having dynobot's in place,haven't noticed anything weird but just to be sure how does one turn off bot's mods or do i have to do a complete factory reset and start over? -- c-eling c-eling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
First off, I want to thank Klaus for his efforts and for sharing them with the world. I've been delighted with the 2.0 toolbox and feel it's brought by system to a level that I have never heard before. A donation is on the way. I did all the 3.0 installs except screen off, and sat down to a long listen last night. To my ears, I lost liquidity and heft in the mids and lost punch in the mid-bass. Things sounded more digital. I might have perceived more details in the highs, but at a cost it seems. The sound is more brittle. We're talking subtle differences, so I'm going to leave the mods in place to get used to them for a few days. Setup: Hardwired SBT Wyred4sound DAC-2. -- cymbop cymbop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50761 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Jeff Flowerday;667148 Wrote: Is it me or does the bass seem reduced a little with 3.0? I'm just wondering if this new definition and clarity we are are all hearing is coming at a price of losing some bottom end and fullness. I've found that bass seems better, or at least fuller, with tt3 I've also changed my buffer to 4000 (as well as the process tweak above) No clicks at the default, but its a little smoother sounding for me at 4000 It was the same for me using tt2 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
A hard rest was recommended by Soundcheck before installing 3.0. Which should clear Dynobots mods. -- mjock3 mjock3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49183 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
ok thanks,I'm going to give it a few more listens,but I'm not quite sure if it did any harm,my Talking Heads 24/96 sounds amazing -- c-eling c-eling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I'll fork into a new thread from here, if that is OK with you. Of course a lot of interesting stuff discussed over here will get lost over time. Anyhow. Sometimes it's good to start over. One hint. Instead of rolling back certain features you should try to find certain other bottlenecks. I did experience that you need to tune your system over once you get a step further up the ladder (which has to be proven for every single environment first obviously) I and my little testgroup for example never experience XRUNS on 3400us buffer. Would be interesting to figure out why this differs from box to box over here. If buffers are over the edge things might get sharper. If you do your testing report your experiences make sure that you clearly communicate your toolbox settings. If you e.g. run screen-on and wlan without tt -k results will be less relevant in absolute terms. I'll have a look at the SPDIF process. P:S: I had a little outage on the blog an hour ago. I had to restore a backup. Weired things might happened during that timeframe. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Just done the fork. Thx to all your valuable contributions over here. To be continued over there: 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322) -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hi folks. I think it's time to close the 2.0 chapter and start over with TT3.0 over here. Looking forward to your constructive feedback and discussions. Cheers -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Takeovers from the TT.20 thread. Human Media commented: Assuming you have tt 3.0 installed, try changing the priority of the spdif process to 51. chrt -f -p 51 367 I left it at 40 intentionally (quite some time back though). I also played with the value. You'll see that I got the interrupt listed in the script. I'll check it out. If it turns out to make a positive difference now I'll update the tool... Thx. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Another finetuning subject is the buffer setting. The closer we get to the system limits the more difficult it gets to tune the instrument. Some people won't get below 4000us without ending up into XRUNS. Others run at 3400us without problems. Which is strange. Over here I know of several systems, which also run stable at 3400us. Let's keep an eye on that one. We might find a solution. Easiest is to tune your buffer size that it turns out best to you. That buffer situation is known since quite some time of course. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
First of all I want to thanx Souncheck for the passion and the competence. I used TT 2.0 with satisfaction for some time and I was waiting for TT3.0 improvements. The first impressions with TT3.0 in my system are not positive : the sound is emptied , much more digital , too much highs. The sound is more defined and detailed but the whole impression is something like a little radio. I'm not sure if going back to TT2.0 or trying to refine TT3.0 (spdif process priority , buffer size , ). I installed all the tt3.0 features except screen off and infrared receiver off. My system is : wired Touch , Naim DAC with XPS Teddy Pardo power supply , Naim pre with Naim power supply , two mono Naim amps , Jean Marie Reynaud speakers. -- Mr Bellow Mr Bellow's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I've got the same impression as Mr Bellow, just maybe not as extreme as a little radio. Everything is thinner in my opinion. TT3.0 wireless disabled, all mods include daemon killer on. Buffer set at 3600, just because I don't like riding the edge of stable. Touch-Black Cat Veloce-Rega Dac-BJ LC1-Krell s300i-NHT Classic 4s -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Mr Bellow;667193 Wrote: ...The sound is more defined and detailed... That's what I like to see. Sometimes it's shocking. I know. ;) More natural and and especially soft sounding is how many many systems out there sound. The key challenge is to have a smooth silky sound with all the details in place. Obviously first you need to know that there are hidden details. The better the systems the more awful awful recordings sound. I can tell you that. I usually have two three different reference tracks to figure out what direction I'm going. The better the source the more you'll see the weaknesses of your downstream engine. Bottom line I'm not saying that everything is 100% correct with the toolbox default settings. I can change these in two minutes. Some of you can do it by yourself. Let see how things are developing. I also got quite some very positive, though also pretty quick feedbacks from other sources. I'm sure we'll find some kind of common sense about what's going on there. There's always an option to go back. Let's collect some more feedback first. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Klaus, I use a HRT dac via usb, with TT2 installed (works great). Any reason why this shouldn't work just as well with TT3, assuming I change the buffer size etc ? Thanks -- john4456 john4456's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
john4456;667207 Wrote: Klaus, I use a HRT dac via usb, with TT2 installed (works great). Any reason why this shouldn't work just as well with TT3, assuming I change the buffer size etc ? Thanks NO - it should work. Maybe on the analog (port 1) though. USB might get assigned to port 1 by default. I'm still waiting for an USB interface to arrive. It should have been here almost a week ago. I'll then introduce USB DAC support (for those DACs which are working) as soon as I have tested it. Cheers -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Usually all the instruments and voices become more of a point source with lots of air around them. The face or better voice of a singer is no longer 20 inches wide, it goes down to 2 inches I don't agree with this, my experience as the system gets better better, all the point sources expand flesh out, most basic systems pinpoint, I usually use as a red flag that they are probably pretty hifi/digital sounding ... or there are timing issus, the highs are disconnected from the mids, or the highs are over emphasized, giving you that pinched, pinpoint sound -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;667202 Wrote: That's what I like to see. Sometimes it's shocking. I know. ;) More natural and especially soft sounding is how many many systems out there sound. The key challenge is to have a smooth silky and still extremely dynamic sound with all the details in place. Obviously first you need to know that there are hidden details. Usually all the instruments and voices become more of a point source with lots of air around them. The face or better voice of a singer is no longer 20 inches wide, it goes down to 2 inches. The low end goes deeper with a much better slam if you're getting closer to the limits. You look at a black wall in the back of a clearly aligned multilayer arrangement. I can tell you I havn't seen many system being able to do that. For sure all that will add to a thinner impression. Not to forget. The better the systems the more awful awful recordings sound. I can tell you that. I usually have two three different reference tracks to figure out what direction I'm going, while tuning the system. The better the source the more you'll see the weaknesses of your downstream engine. That's another downside... I have by no means a highend system but I am a pretty good listener and what you are describing above is what I feel are the changes I hear with TT3 over TT2. Great work, thanks! Made a small donation... One question: if I run TT3 with all the mods enabled incl tt -k, is the touchscreen still enabled as it was with TT2? With all other features turned off it would be great to know that this is also off. /Per -- peber peber's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Usually all the instruments and voices become more of a point source with lots of air around them. The face or better voice of a singer is no longer 20 inches wide, it goes down to 2 inches I don't agree with this, my experience as the system gets better better, all the point sources expand flesh out, most basic systems pinpoint, I usually use as a red flag that they are probably pretty hifi/digital sounding ... or there are timing issus, the highs are disconnected from the mids, or the highs are over emphasized, giving you that pinched, pinpoint sound TT3.0 does not do this on my sys, everything is bigger... but yes, I think same tweaking might have to happen, as it's a little hot in the highs now, but have not spent enough time, might just need some room changes-- in TT2.0 i used ttbuffer at 2 cause it used less CPU I thought it sounded better-- I still need to try that in TT3.0 also I tried the priority change script, before the TT3.0 way-- thought it sounded brittle dumped it-- So I'm also gonna try disabling that in TT3.0 -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Mr Bellow;667193 Wrote: ...The first impressions with TT3.0 in my system are not positive : the sound is emptied , much more digital , too much highs. The sound is more defined and detailed but the whole impression is something like a little radio Thanks Klaus for the great work. Same initial impressions for me. The highs are very digitized. There is a very good detail in the lower mid bass. But the overall sound is very light as it is eclipsed by highs. -- lake_eleven lake_eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I have just installed these mods today and am new in this area. I have a Question. The remote control is disabled after these mods. Is there any way to enable the remote? -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Cut-Throat;667229 Wrote: I have just installed these mods today and am new in this area. I have a Question. The remote control is disabled after these mods. Is there any way to enable the remote? I believe you just run the tt -ir command again. -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Touch (wired) via optical Rega DAC LFD LE IV amp VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.0 r33626 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.9. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.0 r9550. Duet: FW 7.7.0 r9546. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Yes, thanks. That did it! -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
My thoughts at the end of the 2.0 thread: First off, I want to thank Klaus for his efforts and for sharing them with the world. I've been delighted with the 2.0 toolbox and feel it's brought by system to a level that I have never heard before. A donation is on the way. I did all the 3.0 installs except screen off, and sat down to a long listen last night. To my ears, I lost liquidity and heft in the mids and lost punch in the mid-bass. Things sounded more digital. I might have perceived more details in the highs, but at a cost it seems. The sound is more brittle. We're talking subtle differences, so I'm going to leave the mods in place to get used to them for a few days. Setup: Hardwired SBT Wyred4sound DAC-2. So I am in agreement with some of you. Question: to uninstall the daemon killer, will I need to restore factory settings and start over? I'm definitely keen to tune the system to take it back to the sound I was getting out of 2.0. -- cymbop cymbop's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50761 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Thanks for all your work Klaus. I have a long-time question that I still haven't figured out by myself: how do these buffer XRUNS get officially reported to me? Unofficially reported by ear... Thanks. -- cfraser cfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
There seems to be as many people pro TT3 as against. Is it the fact that people have had 1 year to get used to TT2 and suddenly things have changed that they were not expecting? Maybe time will tell and listening time will tell. Presumably those people who were running TT2 can just revert back if TT3 doesn't float their boat? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hi Soundcheck, on the USB front I have been working on a udev setup that consistantly numbers all devices. Its going to need something in rcS or rcS.local and since you are using that I would like to get it integrated in with yours so they are not fighting each other. A while back rgo posted a udev script which always numbered the USB dac card3, but unfortunately the other devices were frequently also renumbered. I know have a udev setup that always numbers the USB dac as card5 and all the other devices (analog, digital and effects) always have their normnal numbers no matter what. Its working great now for booting with the USB dac plugged in, but hot plugging is not working yet, I need a little more time for that. It would also be cool to put in a system that could automatically choose different alsa setups depending on what is plugged in, but that is probably a next generation enhancement. On the USB dac fron in general I still have not got it completely figured out, I'm still getting ocassional xruns no matter what I do. I'm starting to belive its down inside the low level USB driver, but I'm not sure about that. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Many thanks for all of your efforts on TT3 Klaus. I've spent the evening tweaking and listening and had some interesting findings: I've been running TT2 for about 6 months and really enjoyed the differences it brought over the stock touch. I particularly love the sound of 24-bit recordings through it. Tonight I installed the TT3 mods after a factory reset and applied all mods with buffer set to 3400. Like others here I found it sounded quite digital, a bit forced, too hot, a bit too in your face, but at the same time I was also aware that the bass had tightened up and was really snappy and went lower with more control. Nevertheless, to me it was not as musically enjoyable as TT2.0, so I reverted for a couple of hours. The bass in TT2 after going back really did sound quite flabby and started to grate a bit so I wondered if a compromise could be reached. One thing I always have preferred in TT2.0 was to have quite a high buffer setting, particularly as 24/96 material tended to stutter quite badly on pause/play with low buffer settings. I also found the sound somewhat smoother and less fatiguing with large buffers so I thought to try this on TT3.0. So I did another factory reset and re-installed TT3.0 and weirdly, before I even got the chance to change the buffer setting I was convinced that it sounded better than it did the first time around. That digital glare was gone and the sound was much more balanced. Maybe this was just me getting used to the sound as it made no sense that it should sound any different as the install method and settings were the same as the first time around, although I'd be interested to hear if anyone else experiences this. Anyway, I went ahead and maxed out the buffer setting and later increased the priority of the SPDIF output as you mentioned, and that's where I'm at now. A good 3 hours of music later and absolutely LOVING the sound. It's well balanced, that lovely tight and well controlled bass is there. Detail levels are astounding: a real sense of looking right into the recording. Engaging your method of fixing the volume at 100% seems to bring out more detail too, although I've not A/B'd this to any great extent as yet. With TT2.0 there was a real gulf between 16/44 and 24/96 recordings. TT3.0 has made 16/44 that bit closer to 24/96 with a great big jump in refinement. I think it's going to be a weekend occupied with a lot of listening. Many thanks again. A donation is on its way. Rich -- lovejoy lovejoy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=47846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Lovejoy, do you mean you maxed out the buffer at 5, or 3400? -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
lovejoy;667285 Wrote: Many thanks for all of your efforts on TT3 Klaus. I've spent the evening tweaking and listening and had some interesting findings: I've been running TT2 for about 6 months and really enjoyed the differences it brought over the stock touch. I particularly love the sound of 24-bit recordings through it. Tonight I installed the TT3 mods after a factory reset and applied all mods with buffer set to 3400. Like others here I found it sounded quite digital, a bit forced, too hot, a bit too in your face, but at the same time I was also aware that the bass had tightened up and was really snappy and went lower with more control. Nevertheless, to me it was not as musically enjoyable as TT2.0, so I reverted for a couple of hours. The bass in TT2 after going back really did sound quite flabby and started to grate a bit so I wondered if a compromise could be reached. One thing I always have preferred in TT2.0 was to have quite a high buffer setting, particularly as 24/96 material tended to stutter quite badly on pause/play with low buffer settings. I also found the sound somewhat smoother and less fatiguing with large buffers so I thought to try this on TT3.0. So I did another factory reset and re-installed TT3.0 and weirdly, before I even got the chance to change the buffer setting I was convinced that it sounded better than it did the first time around. That digital glare was gone and the sound was much more balanced. Maybe this was just me getting used to the sound as it made no sense that it should sound any different as the install method and settings were the same as the first time around, although I'd be interested to hear if anyone else experiences this. Anyway, I went ahead and maxed out the buffer setting and later increased the priority of the SPDIF output as you mentioned, and that's where I'm at now. A good 3 hours of music later and absolutely LOVING the sound. It's well balanced, that lovely tight and well controlled bass is there. Detail levels are astounding: a real sense of looking right into the recording. Engaging your method of fixing the volume at 100% seems to bring out more detail too, although I've not A/B'd this to any great extent as yet. With TT2.0 there was a real gulf between 16/44 and 24/96 recordings. TT3.0 has made 16/44 that bit closer to 24/96 with a great big jump in refinement. I think it's going to be a weekend occupied with a lot of listening. Many thanks again. A donation is on its way. Rich I've been away for a while, now back in the midst of all this excitement! First off, let me say that I absolutely adore what Klaus has done with the Touch (and I'm talking only about his TT2.0) He basically opened the box and gave us the ability to really enjoy music reproduction. However, I hasten to add that only after applying dynaudio mods, including the jive_alsa and spdif priority mods, have I experienced how my Touch finally made it into the higher echelon of top end digital transports. Right now, it sounds like a million bucks. It sounds so good, that I'm overwhelmed with this superstitious feeling which is holding me back from trying the latest TT3.0. I need a push, someone to tell me that it's gonna be worth it. I am of the opinion that a high end audio system is somewhat similar to a well stocked wine cellar. The only way to make sure you get a good bottle of wine is to let it sit there, aging gracefully. I know it's a silly superstition, but my system is giving me so much pleasure right now, that I feel as if it would be blasphemous to rattle its cage by doing a factory reset and applying the TT3.0. I honestly question that things could sound any better than they do with TT2.0 and all the dynaoudio mods. Can someone reassure me that it is indeed possible to squeeze even more music out of Touch? Also, has anyone attempted comparative listen between TT2.0 with dynaudio mods vs TT3.0 sans dynaudio mods? Any findings? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
@magiccarpetride: How much work is it to revert to your modded TT 2.0 if it turns out TT 3.0 is not to your liking? 20 mins? -- terjehaa terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I switched from 2.0 to 3.0, and then back to 2.0 *plus* dynaudio's mods for the first time, and at this point I prefer the 2.0 plus dynaudio mods the most. (I always run with unmodified buffer and screen). -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
When I first initialized 3.0 last night, I received a quick error message along the lines of unknown process. Didn't pay attention to it, because tt -s reported things installed and working. Tonight i used tt to do a reset and then reinitialized tt. No error message this time. Set my buffer to 4000, enabled the volume lock and killed the daemons. I'm getting better results(fuller sounding) tonight. Not sure if that error message related to something that was causing issues or it's a placebo in my head. Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
terjehaa;667294 Wrote: @magiccarpetride: How much work is it to revert to your modded TT 2.0 if it turns out TT 3.0 is not to your liking? 20 mins? Amazing! I love when I get proven totally wrong in this fashion. So you're right, I finally got off my butt earlier this evening, did a factory reset, upgraded firmware to 7.7.0, and then modified all the settings on my Touch and on the squeezebox server, as per Soundcheck's instructions, and then installed TT3.0. I also applied his vollock, and finally killed deamon jobs (tt -k). Set down for a critical listen and... wow! (insert your favorite audiophile hyperbole here) The first song I listened to was Papa Was A Rolling Stone by Temptations. Right off the bat, I was blown away by the visceral physicality of the opening bass lick. And then the Pandora's box opened up -- the heavenly sounds of the strings and the never before heard detailed and intricate cascades by the harp. Meanwhile, two funky guitars with amazingly clear textures were barking from the left and the right channel, respectively. So many previously unheard details now emerged in crystal clarity. And when the backing vocals kicked in (wherever he laid his hat was his home...) I yelled in joy! Such realism, such musicality! These singers are standing right there, in my right speaker, living, breathing. This mod is amazing, because it accomplishes the impossible: it presents the sound that is at the same time both in-your-face and laid back. Impossible! I have a SHM-CD by Sade (refurbished, repackaged Japanese remaster of Diamond Life), which offers amazing clarity and details. Still, I found the overall remaster to be on a bit of a harsh side with TT2.0. Now with TT3.0, any traces of harshness have disappeared, although the very aggressive over-the-top pushy sound became even more prominent. Only this time it's completely relaxed, unhurried, not nervous, and (dare I say it?) analog-like. I am now at a loss when I read people complaining how TT3.0 sounds thin, digital, with leaner bass, etc. Quite the reverse, it now sounds (on my system, at least), so much fuller, rounder, silkier, milky and with unprecedented presence. Overall, as we keep moving from one favorite song to another, my wife and I are consistently commenting on how much more realistic, musical, fuller and deeper the bass now sounds. Gone is all the boomines and messiness, and the only thing left in the deeper regions is music driven by a very tight, taut and nimble bass. To me, the silkiness of the cymbals is just one thing among many that is totally worthy of the price of admission. Plus, so many more previously undetected details. Even during the loudest passages in Thomas Dolby's I Scare Myself, I can now easily follow every tiny little strum on the acoustic guitar. I can plainly hear the plectrum cascading down the steel strings even during the very loud piano and trombone solos. Amazing! Thank you a million times, Klaus! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
