Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
TheOctavist;690004 Wrote: mr phil... here are two of my earliest recordings, as an apprentice rec/balance engineer in germany.the haydn.. http://www.theresia-aranowski.de/hoerbeispiele.html just blumlein. akg 426. dav(drsigned by ex decca engineer mick hinton) mic preamps into zaxxcom deva Nice! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
ralphpnj;690007 Wrote: First I'm honored that one of my many endless rants helped to inspire this thread. Second perhaps we should get going over in the music section on the best covers of Bob Dylan songs. The new Chimes of Freedom collection gets a high vote just on volume alone. I'm beginning to think that it is the marketing departments of several manufactures behind all this nonsense. There two factors in play here. First there the shrinking CD player market as more and more people move to computer based audio front ends. And then there is the new, and as yet untapped, market of providing an interface between the computer/digital part and the stereo/analog part. Plus there is also the high end certified computer market, we just haven't gotten to that part yet. The new front end is quickly becoming some type of computer and in extreme cases even involves a $300 piece of plastic! I'm referring to the Touch of course. Just remember that little piece of plastic scares the hell out of the high end audio world so they need to tear it down. In addition they are building up some new myths help sell their $ version of the Touch. The Touch can handle up to 24 bit/96 kHz so therefore make 32bit/192kHz the new high end high resolution standard. The Touch doesn't output USB so make asynchronous USB the new high end digital connection standard. So the manufactures push these new standards and the high end magazines follow along like good little sheep. As their reward they get more advertising and special treatment from the manufacturers. The well heeled audiophile gets to all kinds of new toys to play with. Everyone wins! Excellent analogy. I don't quite agree since I've heard it said by several musicians over the years that they sometimes wish that they could unlearn their musical training so that they could experience just the music without knowing all of the technical details behind it. In other words, hearing the repeated motif in a symphony as a melody instead of as a series of notes offset by one octave from the main motif. In any event your viewpoint is quite valid as well. This didn't quite come out as I intended... I didn't mean the musical elements such as melody, orchestration etc... I meant the sound/timbre of the performance. Anyone can appreciate both aspects... But making judgements Bout the accuracy of the sound reproduction requires more experience than just listening to lots of stuff.. I think you need some real hands on experience creating / capturing sounds and THEN listening to them. I'm only talking about accuracy/fidelity here, not anything else... Nothing to do with enjoyment or pleasure. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
Let's see: 1) audiophiles over pay for equipment (often based on looks) and forget that a proper acoustic environment is probably more important to getting good sound. IMO, that's about as true as something can be. How many audiophiles will spend thousands upgrading hardware, yet won't buy a pair of bass traps for $300, when the traps would improve the sound they hear much more than the equipment upgrade? Lots of them. 2) Cheap surround systems from places like Costco arent' bad: Again, how is this wrong? Yes, for a few hundred to a thousand dollars you can get a pretty good sounding system that will give you about 90% of the sound quality you get from an audiophile system costing several times more. Nothing surprising here. Audiophillea is all about spending lots of money for relatively small sonic returns. It's the basic economics of diminishing returns. Each added bit of sonic improvement gets more expensive the closer you get to perfection. Audiophiles think that's worth the money, other people think it isn't, and what they have is good enough. -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox OS; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF X-DAC-V3, MF X-150 as pre-amp, Grant Fidelity B-283MKII bufferClassDaudio SDS-470 amp; Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon M20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Phil Leigh;690081 Wrote: This didn't quite come out as I intended... I didn't mean the musical elements such as melody, orchestration etc... I meant the sound/timbre of the performance. Anyone can appreciate both aspects... But making judgements Bout the accuracy of the sound reproduction requires more experience than just listening to lots of stuff.. I think you need some real hands on experience creating / capturing sounds and THEN listening to them. I'm only talking about accuracy/fidelity here, not anything else... Nothing to do with enjoyment or pleasure. I think you quite close here, I would also add that you are in practice listening to the performance not the equipment modern well designed hifi working inside it's design parameters do very little and the little it does is not wanted ? Who want's slightly more noise and a bit more thd ? So when I as a person forms an opinion about soundstage and midrange warmth it is really a review of the recording as I experience it in that moment with all bias on :) And this can be misleading as I as you say does not hang around mixing studios a lot and don't have intimate knowledge on what's been done. A clever way around is to realise this, and pay attention to hifi that presents different recordings differently. As it should be and realise the limits of hifi Diana Krall is not going to be sitting in your lap with a finger behind your ear even if you buy all class A stereophile stuff there is :) Electronics is very one dimensional 1 input and 1 output and both can be compared and nulled out what is the sound of nothing ? To oversimplify this statement if a electronic device has 0.001% distortion it also has 99.999% signal. If you then pin emotions and musical parameters tomthis machine that only passes or convert a signal what are you thinking. Speakers on the other hand has one input and infinite outputs , imagine the polar plot as a suffle like 3D wave interacting with you and your room and the thd and other nonlinearities is always there. There is one feature almost all home speakers suffers, dynamic range is frequency dependent so bass spl is always restricted but midrange and above not, this alters the sound dramatically as you crank up the volume ! People suffers such massive flaws in thier hig end mini monitor while searching for the perfect dac ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
TheOctavist;690004 Wrote: mr phil... here are two of my earliest recordings, as an apprentice rec/balance engineer in germany.the haydn.. http://www.theresia-aranowski.de/hoerbeispiele.html just blumlein. akg 426. dav(drsigned by ex decca engineer mick hinton) mic preamps into zaxxcom deva Is this a part of a commercially available recording ? I don't have much of this kind of music singin with a small band of other musicians or what it's called :) Drives home another point 128k mp3 sounds better than many pop recordings in 24/96 in quality and overall balance some slight dullness and lack air migth be mp3 but that's a tiny tiny niggle very pleasant presentation the sound comes of really nice in my hifi in my room, so well chosen balance or what you call it ? It sound quite natural to me :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
Interesting article . I'm partly as surprised as him about why multichannel music has not gone anywhere . If you remove the voodoo overhead on the hifi and replace it with stuff that makes a sq difference but contains no voodoo, you can have good multichannel and save some . A guess it is the speaker clutter and the fact hat people are listening while doing other stuff or on the move with earplugs -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
On 10 Feb 2012, at 22:42, TheOctavist wrote: mr phil... here are two of my earliest recordings, as an apprentice rec/balance engineer in germany.the haydn.. http://www.theresia-aranowski.de/hoerbeispiele.html just blumlein. akg 426. dav(drsigned by ex decca engineer mick hinton) mic preamps into zaxxcom deva Mr Phil will by no means be the only one who appreciates it. Beautiful. Many thanks for posting it. You say two recordings, though. The Haydn's obviously one, but what's the other? ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
I agree with him. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
Mnyb;690070 Wrote: Then add all kind of euphonics as software filters that could be turned on or off or mixed . And also variable output impedance of the power amp and adaptable current limits that could be applied in some arbitrary impedance points to emulate inability to drive complex loads . Then have a open source forum for filter development . Then you could have a QuadII emulator or triode amp emulator or any kind of hybrid. And if you think your speakers are to dry and boringt to your taste you could have more output impedance on the amp and bingo now the damping is lower and you get some boom and a mild peak in the bass . like this. http://www.cranesong.com/hedd-192.html -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
ah, i meant the two haydn excerpts. :) the others on her page werent recorded by me.! I do have this recording in 24/88.2. If I can get permission from them, ill gladly send out a DVDA or two.. or a DATA disc with the files to do with what you want. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
TheOctavist;690108 Wrote: ah, i meant the two haydn excerpts. :) the others on her page werent recorded by me.! I do have this recording in 24/88.2. If I can get permission from them, ill gladly send out a DVDA or two.. or a DATA disc with the files to do with what you want. You could convince miss aronowski to publish on bandcamp :) it's not only for indie pop, the right venue for a small scale sale or downloadable demo . You can set price yourself. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
adamdea;689865 Wrote: Hi TR, did you get any further reply from your pals? My it has gone quiet all of a sudden on this forum. Not yet..but I will soon! if not, ill phone em. :) btw, Adam, if you have any specific in depth questions...let me know, ill send em up the chain...and for that matter, the legendary engineer Tony Faulkner helps me a lot too, so if you have any recording engineering questions... -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
cunobelinus;690103 Wrote: On 10 Feb 2012, at 22:42, TheOctavist wrote: mr phil... here are two of my earliest recordings, as an apprentice rec/balance engineer in germany.the haydn.. http://www.theresia-aranowski.de/hoerbeispiele.html just blumlein. akg 426. dav(drsigned by ex decca engineer mick hinton) mic preamps into zaxxcom deva Mr Phil will by no means be the only one who appreciates it. Beautiful. Many thanks for posting it. You say two recordings, though. The Haydn's obviously one, but what's the other? Indeed - I have no special ears! I'd like to hear it if possible. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Mnyb;690110 Wrote: You could convince miss aronowski to publish on bandcamp :) it's not only for indie pop, the right venue for a small scale sale or downloadable demo . You can set price yourself. Ah but they didn't charge for this, it was for entertainment only, well specifically to debut a new orchestra. i emailed her, if she and Frank(Frank is the Orchestra master and Her husband) say it is cool, ill digitally send the high res files. :) -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Finished with Pandora?
garym;689872 Wrote: I should note that I still use the free pandora. And I would have switched to MOG (or spotify or rhapsody, etc.) even if Pandora high bit rate streaming worked on SB. Pandora is great for random mixes. But I often want to play specific albums. i dont get too bugged about it as I use pandora , spotify, etc for discovery. if i like the band, i buy the download or whatever. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93540 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
TheOctavist;690113 Wrote: Ah but they didn't charge for this, it was for entertainment only, well specifically to debut a new orchestra. i emailed her, if she and Frank(Frank is the Orchestra master and Her husband) say it is cool, ill digitally send the high res files. :) Just don't send the files using a files locker service, oh wait you gentlemen are mostly located in Europe and not in the USA like me. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to do my patriotic duty and report the whole lot of you file sharing criminals to the Homeland Security and that includes Theresia and her husband Frank as well. ;) -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
ralphpnj;690119 Wrote: Just don't send the files using a files locker service, oh wait you gentlemen are mostly located in Europe and not in the USA like me. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to do my patriotic duty and report the whole lot of you file sharing criminals to the Homeland Security and that includes Theresia and her husband Frank as well. ;) I am American, buddy! and more than that, a damn southern country boy from North Cackalack...where I live right now! ;) I lived in Germany for 6 years tho.. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
TheOctavist;690120 Wrote: I am American, buddy...so the NSA knows already! ! and more than that, a damn southern country boy from North Cackalack...where I live right now! ;) I lived in Germany for 6 years tho.. Keep on posting about wanting to file share on public forums and you'll soon be a guest of the state ;) -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
my old ears stop at about 12-13kHz -- finnbrodersen Some version of SBServer running on a HP EX490 home server SBReceiver -- NAD C162+C272 -- DALI IKON 6 (let's call it MidFi) finnbrodersen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
eeyep'An Interview with Andrew Jones of Pioneer/TAD' (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue30/andrew_jones.htm) Positive Feedback What about audiophile type parts? Any advantage? Wire, caps, etc. Andrew Jones We have high quality parts certainly, mostly manufactured by ourselves or to our specification. If you mean name brands of audiophile parts, then no. We do not put in such parts as a means for listeners to think Oh, it contains brand X capacitors, it must be good for example. We select our parts based on engineering, not marketing. Positive Feedback So then, is it all about engineering? Andrew Jones YES! Positive Feedback What role is listening involved in with respect to the design/measurements or does the actual design/measurements take precedent over what you hear that is, if I can hear it, who cares how it measures? Andrew Jones First comes the measurement. There are a lot of parameters in speakers that can be measured that are known to correlate well with listening. The problem that I see so often from those who doubt such correlation exists is that they don't know how to measure accurately! I see their curves and I see the artifacts in the curves that are the result of measurement errors and nothing to do with the behaviour of the speaker itself! Accurate measurements and a sufficient set of measurements go a long way to revealing the performance, and allow us to get towards the final result very much quicker than with just listening alone. My approach is to set a design goal for the measured performance, meet this as close as possible, then evaluate the result by listening, but ONLY once I believe I have met the initial design objective. Then I try and honestly evaluate the result, and if (when ) I hear something wrong I go back and see if I can correlate this to the measurements. Maybe I was too enthusiastic in my evaluation of having met my target. Maybe my target is just wrong. I go back and make changes based on the re-evaluation, then re-listen. But I am always cross referring to the measurements. Positive Feedback What shortcomings or limitations are there as to what one can measure versus what can hear? Andrew Jones I am not implying that we can measure everything that we hear. But we can measure a lot so we can shorten the design process. We can also however hear a lot of what isn't actually there! We can be easily misled in our hearing evaluation and attribute things that don't really exist. With too many variables during the design process we can also become confused. So we have to be as careful in our listening as we have to be in our measuring. -- ''Audio Amateur' interviews Peter Walker at the Quad Factory in 1978' (http://www.onethingaudio.net/FOR/QUA/GEN/9512-QUA-GEN-HIS-PW.htm) The Audio Amateur What do you consider to be the important goals of a good audio reproduction system - what ought a good audio reproduction system do? Peter Walker Well, perhaps this reflects my age (62 at the time of the interview), but I am still in favour of documentary type reproduction - an orchestra plays on a stage or in some auditorium and we try to get a real, believable picture of it. This is becoming out of date, of course. It's now thought that a completely new type of sound should be produced. I can't argue against this. I can't say there's anything wrong with this. Perhaps if Bach were around now he'd do the same thing, hit you on the head and do all sorts of things to produce an effect. But my own personal preference, my own goal, is to create a true sound picture of some acoustic event which is taking place somewhere else. The argument against that is that it had to be produced in a concert hall at one time, because there was no other means. But why should one stick to the concert hall? I stick to that, but that's just personal prejudice. TAA You don 't like to sit in the middle of the orchestra, then? PW I sit in the middle of the orchestra twice a week, in the local group, playing the flute with the trombones and French horns behind me. And very nice it is too, but, no, I don't like sitting in the middle of the orchestra. I don' t think one likes sounds from behind one particularly, I think you want to turn and face it. An alarm calls from behind. TAA Well, does that mean you're not taken with some forms of four channel? With quadrophony or whatever? PW I think there are two faults with it. One is that in a concert hall you have the reverberation all around you, but all the reverberation from the back comes from a whole lot of sources that are not coherent with one another; if you sat in the Albert Hall and all the back reverberation was brought into two coherent channels, from two points, you wouldn't like it at all. All four channel must do this. This is one failure. The second thing, I think the listener has a cone of concentration in listening, which is located in some 60 degree or arguable angle in front, and one's main concentration is on that. The back sounds
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
Trying to find one of my old favs in the genre , but searching for anti-riaa gets to many hits . There once was an idiotic device that reduced the output of a CD player and applied anti-riaa filter so that you could use your phono preamp with your CD to get better sound :) God old mr Walker from Quad the old users manuals for the ESL 63 claim that no special speaker wire is needed -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
On 11 Feb 2012, at 12:22, TheOctavist wrote: ah, i meant the two haydn excerpts. :) the others on her page werent recorded by me.! I do have this recording in 24/88.2. If I can get permission from them, ill gladly send out a DVDA or two.. or a DATA disc with the files to do with what you want. Glad to hear it - well, at least of the Faure. Is that effect of distance (in the Pie Jesu) the result of distance from the mic, or balancing, do you know? It sounds like the former, and I can't say I terribly care for it. It came as quite a shock after your lovely Haydn sound. It would be grand if you could get permission to share hi res files. A very kind thought. Rather than physical media, though, would Dropbox be a possibility? It would save the postage to Europe! ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I have no idea where this thread is going. From the average joe perspective, I perhaps mistakenly assumed after stumbling onto a post about the TT3.0 tweaks, the SBT may give me an option to bypass the need for an expensive DAC like Benchmark etc. Assumption compounded by the audiophile advertising for the Touch. Perhaps there should be a disclaimer stating audio improvements only realized after throwing $1000 at a separate DAC and/or hardware upgrades. Apparently, no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained, so most conversations turn to arguing results in conjunction with this DAC or that DAC, which is hard to filter through any information of value regarding the analog outs (which would be of some value as you have a constant to go up against).. If TT3.0 eliminates most of the interference or whatever makes digital sound so digital, why the need for a DAC that does essentially the same thing? Or vice versa, if sinking a grand into a DAC works so well, why bother tweaking? 167 pages and not a consensus yet. At some point one is just splitting hairs. Perhaps I am going at this from a different perspective. I entertain tweaking to have the best sound and save money, while it appears others are still searching for El Dorado. Not judging, just saying people have different priorities. ;) -- Munroe Munroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Phil Leigh;690076 Wrote: most photo mags call this out as nonsense... It's the manufacturers who know the mass market is driven by impressive numbers...pixels sell cameras! The pros are clamouring for dynamic range... The nice thing about optical stuff is that it is quite easy to measure and there is broad agreement on which measurements matter. Yup, I think the pixel wars is waning and serious photogs and forums all know this... Octavist: Hope you get the permission! I haven't seen the new TAS article yet, but check out this question from Audio Asylum: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/10/103654.html Using a transformer across the ground wire, eh? I wonder what kind of score that got? Anyone see this issue? -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Archimago;690161 Wrote: Yup, I think the pixel wars is waning and serious photogs and forums all know this... Octavist: Hope you get the permission! I haven't seen the new TAS article yet, but check out this question from Audio Asylum: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/10/103654.html Using a transformer across the ground wire, eh? I wonder what kind of score that got? Anyone see this issue? The transformer is across both signal and ground=galvanic isolation... Or you could just use TOSLINK. these pulse transformers need to be carefully selected and the circuit around them needs to be optimised, it's not just a plug n play thing... Well not if you want it to be optimised it isn't. Many DACs already have pulse transformers on their inputs... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Mnyb;690110 Wrote: You could convince miss aronowski to publish on bandcamp :) it's not only for indie pop, the right venue for a small scale sale or downloadable demo . You can set price yourself. Second the motion on bandcamp.com. Great site. The artist can give away their music for free or set whatever price they like. They also support file formats all the way to FLAC. Anyone who loves old-style New Orleans jazz with vocals, check out Tuba Skinny. Great recordings. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690155 Wrote: Apparently, no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained, so many conversations turn to arguing results in conjunction with this DAC or that DAC... Not true. There are a few of us that use the analog outs of the Touch and are very pleased. I sold my Lavry DA-10 after a few weeks of level-matched, synced, back-to-back comparison almost 2 years ago. Haven't looked back since. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Same here. No outboard DAC. I also tend to tweak my stuff, to save money and to get better sound, and for the sheer joy of it. But I still haven't seen a TT mod that makes me crave trying it out. ;) There are probably plenty TT mods that affect the sound, and some of them perhaps for the better. But I don't feel the need to tweak and tweak on this one component, considering that I would probably get better value for my time by tweaking my amp and/or speakers. (I did remove the Touch's output caps, though.) And tweaking the server for the purpose of improving the sound? That's just silly. You won't see me waste time on that. (Now Inguz and other server-side processing tools actully -have the capacity- to affect the sound, so that's a different story.) -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Also if you are using a hometheater processor or a modern AV receiver or digital speakers . Or have a dac for your other digital sources. Then the analog outs is just redundant . I have one Touch for digital only use in my hifi/ht and one using analog to a pair of powered speakers in my kitchen. It would say it's ok for analog but my kitchen setup is not that sensitive speakers and their placement is not the best. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
Mnyb;690070 Wrote: Then add all kind of euphonics as software filters that could be turned on or off or mixed . Or hardware. If there had been a reasonably priced hardware unit on the market in 1999, that could color the sound to make my CD player sound more like my turntable, I would probably have bought it. Nowadays, software is probably the way to go, though. Today you can buy a guitar amp simulator that can simulate hundreds of different guitar amps. Just plug in your guitar and a pair of headphones, and virtually hook up to everything. Same with bass guitar amps. So why not do the same in a stereo system? ;) (I know, I know. It wouldn't be -audiophile- enough.) -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690155 Wrote: Apparently, no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained, so many conversations turn to arguing results in conjunction with this DAC or that DAC, which is hard to filter through any information of value regarding the analog outs (which would be of some value as you have a constant to go up against).. I think the only way one could conclude that ...no one purchasing the Touch uses the unit self contained... would be by reading a very very small and unrepresentative subset of the threads on this forum. A _lot_ of people use the Touch's analog outs, albeit that percentage is a lot smaller in the audiophile forum. Look outside this thread and you'll see a lot of discussion of the analog outs on the Touch. I don't have an external DAC -- I've been toying with the idea but I think upgrading speakers and amp may make more sense for my next upgrade. I've tried the TT 2.0 mods and concluded that just maybe they made some difference to the sound. But it was so inconclusive that when the next Touch firmware upgrade wiped out the TT mods I frankly couldn't be bothered to do them again. And yes, I understand it's only a simple 10-15 minute operation. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soulkeeper;690179 Wrote: Same here. No outboard DAC. I also tend to tweak my stuff, to save money and to get better sound, and for the sheer joy of it. But I still haven't seen a TT mod that makes me crave trying it out. ;) There are probably plenty TT mods that affect the sound on the analog outputs, and some of them perhaps for the better. But I don't feel the need to tweak and tweak on this one component, considering that I would probably get better value for my time by tweaking my amp and/or speakers. (I did remove the Touch's output caps, though.) And tweaking the server for the purpose of improving the sound? That's just silly. You won't see me wasting time on that. (Now Inguz and other server-side processing tools actully -have the capacity- to affect the sound, so that's a different story.) That's great to hear! I was beginning to think I was the only one. I think it sounds pretty good too. Unless you take some measurements from the listening position and adjusting errant frequencies due to peaks, I think the Inguz or something like a behringer feedback destroyer would do more than modding the Touch too much.. Or as you stated upgrade speakers, etc. My home theater has flattened frequencies this way (BFD) and the listening experience is much more balanced and enjoyable. My stereo setup that includes the SBT, is a floor above and although the components are superior, I find I may need some acoustic treatment or room eq to make it on the same level (as if my wife would go for that twice in one house..ha). Difference comparing a large family room with bare walls and hardwood floors, to a medium sized home theater, carpeted, acoustic panels, and a BFD is quite something. -- Munroe Munroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52982 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
I have audiolense now.. I also have downloaded DRC. trid to use DRC, but I cant run impulse prep?? the .exe file, once clicked just flashes a DOS screen for a second, and nothing.. tried using the impulse prep .msi, but it said my LMS wasnt up to date and couldnt install(im using the latest!) help -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690155 Wrote: Not judging, just saying people have different priorities. ;) Exactly. Sometimes the same person has different priorities in different parts of the same house. See my sig. One system with, one system without external DAC. Both with TT3.0. Each system delivers very satisfying, though different, sound. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge-Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance-WiFi Bridge-Squeezebox Touch-Toslink-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC-Adcom GFP-750 preamp-Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp - Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033-REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)-Little Dot Mk III amp-AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch-Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Jadis DPL2 - Jadis JA 30 -- akremer akremer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54226 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
TheOctavist;690198 Wrote: I have audiolense now.. I also have downloaded DRC. trid to use DRC, but I cant run impulse prep?? the .exe file, once clicked just flashes a DOS screen for a second, and nothing.. tried using the impulse prep .msi, but it said my LMS wasnt up to date and couldnt install(im using the latest!) help You might want to try running it from the command line, and seeing what it prints to the screen. -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
Mnyb;690092 Wrote: Interesting article . I'm partly as surprised as him about why multichannel music has not gone anywhere . If you remove the voodoo overhead on the hifi and replace it with stuff that makes a sq difference but contains no voodoo, you can have good multichannel and save some . A guess it is the speaker clutter and the fact hat people are listening while doing other stuff or on the move with earplugs For me, the limiting factor ha been the cost of 5 good, well matched speakers combined with a lack of space and a dearth of multichannel recordings. If more music were available in 5.1, I would probably switch to it, -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
totoro;690204 Wrote: For me, the limiting factor ha been the cost of 5 good, well matched speakers combined with a lack of space and a dearth of multichannel recordings. If more music were available in 5.1, I would probably switch to it, Yep a downward spiral no content no sale and then even less content . And then a format war DVDA/sacd that no one needed. ..and paranoid record companies so at the beginning the players where analog out only ? exactly what do you do with 6 analog channels ? And now we actually have some 5.1 hirez downloads but no network music players with hdmi out to use them properly . But yea it's dead . In practice you get away with a very well matched center the rears are not that critical not many recordings have sub bass at full tilt in the rear, these are ambient sounds mostly, in fact try in any home theater it's fun :) On topic , reminded me that don't have that much Allan Parson at all ? must get some of the stuff -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] google enters the multi room streaming market..
http://www.whathifi.com/news/google-plans-affordable-multiroom-music-system http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203824904577213430617644196.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_sections_tech step it up, Logitech! -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
totoro;690202 Wrote: You might want to try running it from the command line, and seeing what it prints to the screen. im not a command line type guy... can you tell me how to do that? -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
If you now have Audiolense, have you been able to do your room measurements and create the convolver (Inguz in this case) input file? It's been over a year since I last had to play with this stuff so I'm a bit rusty on the whole process. It will take me a while to get back up to speed. Hopefully Adam or someone can get you up and running if I can't. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] google enters the multi room streaming market..
Already posted elsewhere. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93538 -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Tried inguz tonight with drc. Managed to get a room correction filter using normal.drc profile. Had to change mplowerwindow to 32768 in normal.drc since default value 44100 was to high... don't know the impact. Learned two things: - first my measured room frequency response is all but flat - second the sound was awfull when correction filter was applied Went back to correction off! Don't how to get something correct out of this stuff... I am really disappointed :( -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Extended listening most of the day today - LMS through laptop (wirelessly) no crackling whatsoever, have been pushing my speakers pretty hard this evening, everything is fine. The only time I'm hearing this crackling is through the desktop. I'd like to try and fix/troubleshoot it but I don't know where to start? Other than that I'll have to sell it (it works fine except for this) and buy another. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
Actually some engineers design their audio equipment to produce great specs on paper and they don't even bother to listen to their designs because the figures tell them what they believe to be correct. Certain people at Audio Note find this highly amusing especially considering those engineers have produced equipment that looks good on paper but just sound wrong. Audio Note produce some of the most highly respected (for the sound) equipment today, they are unusual in this regard that they specifically make a point of touting their design by listening philosophy. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by listening= failure.
Mnyb;690070 Wrote: Their amps get rave reviews everywhere :( such is the state engineering in high end audio . You are assuming the same people that design the DACs are also the same people that design the amps. That would be an incorrect assumption. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
