Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Bill! > > It sure is a pretty deck (if you can find room for it, lol): you do have > to change the damping fluid periodically since it tends to get clogged > up with detritus. > > I'm afraid I stand my earlier comment that the LP12/Ittok with a low > compliance cartridge gets a lot more information out of the groove > however - the rationale is that the stylus moves, the arm/cartridge body > doesn't. Also there's no isolation of the turntable/arm board from the > rest of the deck on the Transcriptors. The strobe speed setting is very > :cool: in combination with the damping paddle fine tune, however. > > Ultimately more form than substance: well worth keeping as a work of art > though! > > Dave :) > > P.S. As I recall it got a few free product placements in the movies (I > think there's one in Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" if I remember > correctly,,, ) Yes, it's Alex's turntable on which he plays the music of Ludwig van: http://www.filmandfurniture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/record-player-1024x576.jpg There's also one in the Design Collection of the Museum of Modern Art in New York: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/3339 I really should replace the damping fluid, and I could also use a new drive belt. Looking at it now, though, I see I have a V15 MkIV rather than III. I still have the original Transcriptors arm, although I replaced it with the SME as soon as I got the turntable (acquired in the 1970s as part of a deal with Clive Taylor, former bassist of Amen Corner). ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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drmatt wrote: > Yep, NICAM receiver only. Hifi stereo vhs was pretty good. Very reliant > on tracking stability though. Handy for recording stuff longer than 45 > minutes too.. The only (rather serious) drawback to VHS tapes & their containers was that they were flammable & emitted a particularly nasty combination of toxic gas & dense black smoke once on fire. Consequently having a whole wall of your lounge given over to the things was not a particularly GOOD IDEA. Thankfully CD's et al are not such a fire risk - they are *-compact-* as well... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Yep, NICAM receiver only. Hifi stereo vhs was pretty good, agreed. Very reliant on tracking stability though. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > NICAM was an interesting technology, but it was only used on the > broadcast side. A VCR recorded analogue audio. Maybe you knew that, I > wasn't clear from your post so just clarifying. > > Cheers! > > Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Agreed, analogue audio recorded at 30ips, although not on 2" wide master tape format sadly. The tuner in the VHS recorder did have to decode the near (but not quite!) instantaneously compounded audio multiplex part of the TV transmission however. Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
NICAM was an interesting technology, but it was only used on the broadcast side. A VCR recorded analogue audio. Maybe you knew that, I wasn't clear from your post so just clarifying. Cheers! Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > Undoubtedly this. Nicam produced a companded 14 bit digital signal, > iirc, but it was rarely used outside of the UK. > > Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk It didn't sound that shabby though. I was highly amused that the most impressive effect came from a Domestos bleach commercial in which the bottle leapt enthusiastically off the lid of the loo & landed on the floor with a resounding thud! ;) Of course TV advertising was ridiculously expensive so there was no reason for the makers to hold back on the production budget for a 30 second long "feature" & many of them were better made than the programmes that they interrupted... I do *-hate-* advertising & marketing generally though & hold them responsible for many of our self-inflicted ills :mad:. Dave (conflicted, no suitable emoticon) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > "This stop goes to 11. " While we're about it why not turn *-everything-* up to 11? Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
cliveb wrote: > We know that the LP system is a complete dog's dinner compared to CD, > and yet it can give just as much enjoyment. I think this probably says > more about the limitations of the human auditory system than it does > about the engineering achievement. Hi Clive! I am in agreement with you, I got a lot of musical enjoyment from my analogue system back in the day, using inferior amplification & loudspeakers in comparison to my present set-up to boot. Whilst I wouldn't wish to eat a dog's dinner (well, unless I was *-seriously-* hungry & lacking in any prospect of on alternative... :p ) I am uncommonly fond of dogs themselves. Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
I think that the musical performance is indeed paramount: I like the mono recordings of the incomparable Kathleen Ferrier (some of her most spell-binding efforts didn't even have the undoubted recording mastery of Walter Legge, since she disliked the bloke & escaped from Columbia as soon as she could to sign up with Decca). I also have a stunning recording of Dennis Brain playing Mozart's Horn Concertos accompanied by Walter Legge's Philharmonia Orchestra conducted by a relatively young Herbert von Karajan (before he became principal conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic & single-handedly responsible for 1/3rd of Deutsche Grammophon's classical music sales). This was also recorded in resplendent mono sound (by Walter Legge) in 1954, the year before I was born. I still have this as one of my legacy vinyl recordings, as well as a later (& superior) digital re-mastering from the antiquated analogue master tape. So I wholeheartedly agree that if the performance is sufficiently compelling one can quickly ignore any "technical" deficiencies in the recording process or the medium in which it is packaged. "Suspension of disbelief" appears to be a readily available option to the human brain. Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
I actually think it says more about the /capability/ of the human auditory system than its limitations. It can pick the essence of great music from anything, more or less; be it pristine ultra-high bitrate digital, pristine but wow/fluttery/scratchy noisy compressed Vinyl, crappy Vinyl, wow and fluttery cassette tape, FM radio, even MW radio through a tinny little speaker in a plastic box being driven from two double-A batteries.. The enjoyment of the high fidelity of playback is a separate skill, only evolved by people with high disposable incomes and too much time on their hands Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
cliveb wrote: > We know that the LP system is a complete dog's dinner compared to CD, > and yet it can give just as much enjoyment. I think this probably says > more about the limitations of the human auditory system than it does > about the engineering achievement. Indeed. Under the right circumstances, the sound of FM radio or even cassette can give wonderful enjoyment. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > I happily accept all the above criticisms of LP's > > Mahler [] I don't think that he would have been impressed by the > quality of recorded music on LP, but I should imagine that he would have > been astonished that it was possible to do it at all. On the contrary, I suspect that if Mahler had heard a good vinyl LP of his music being played through a decent system, he would have been spellbound. Golden Earring wrote: > You know the old gag about the singing dog: it's not that the singing is > good, it's that it happens at all that's remarkable. Your post carries an undercurrent that implies that vinyl LP is pretty ropey but it was the best we had at the time, and that the fact it works at all is the most remarkable thing about it. But let's be realistic. Despite its technical flaws and limitations, vinyl LPs can sound absolutely fabulous. Some of my most enjoyable listening experiences have been from vinyl LPs. A small but not insignificant proportion of my FLAC collection is needle drops. Musical excellence transcends the delivery medium. We know that the LP system is a complete dog's dinner compared to CD, and yet it can give just as much enjoyment. I think this probably says more about the limitations of the human auditory system than it does about the engineering achievement. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > I hear that. I took it to imply that there *-might-* be an advantage > going further than 16/44.1, although Nyquist-Shannon would still apply. And if Nyquist-Shannon does apply, there is no advantage of going further than 16/44.1 from a *timing* point of view. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > your hearing would also suffer if you did this regularly as well - a lot > of bass players get tinnitus from standing too close to their speaker > stacks (you'd think they'd stand somewhere else, but bass players do > seem to be a breed apart ;) ). > > Dave :) Hey, Indeed this is of course true, but also remember that dynamic peaks this high are rarely sustained. The overall average SPL could still be significantly lower than this. That's what DR is all about of course. .. unless you get an evil organist who likes to pull out all the stops at the same time and stands on those pedals with a 64' pipe attached for a while.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > Might also simply be because of the easier processing of word lengths > that are a multiple of 8. Undoubtedly this. Nicam produced a companded 14 bit digital signal, iirc, but it was rarely used outside of the UK. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > Yes, that is a possibility. But my point is that there is nothing really > mysterious (or anything that breaks current scientific understanding) > about it. > > > > Absolutely. The problem is that audiophiles have used that paper to > argue that Nyquist-Shannon doesn't apply - but they are also the ones > arguing that a sampled signal supposedly can't represent time > differences smaller than one sample interval... I hear that. I took it to imply that there *-might-* be an advantage going further than 16/44.1, although Nyquist-Shannon would still apply. If the recordings had genuine provenance, of course... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > True, but I thought the Sony engineers enjoyed a challenge! You could > say that 44.1kHz is an odd choice of sampling frequency, but they stuck > with that one... Well, yes... The 44.1 kHz stems from video technology, especially Betamax. 44.1 kHz happens to be a convenient rate for both 50 Hz (3 samples per scan line) and 60 Hz video frame refresh rates. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > I thought that there was an implication that human hearing might have > more discriminatory ability than previously suspected. Yes, that is a possibility. But my point is that there is nothing really mysterious (or anything that breaks current scientific understanding) about it. > Ears have a very curious design & the human brain is simply the most > complex object yet discovered. So I think it's reasonable to suggest > that psychoacoustics is not as well understood as (say) Nyquist-Shannon > sampling theory... Absolutely. The problem is that audiophiles have used that paper to argue that Nyquist-Shannon doesn't apply - but they are also the ones arguing that a sampled signal supposedly can't represent time differences smaller than one sample interval... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > Morning, Dave, > > > > Might also simply be because of the easier processing of word lengths > that are a multiple of 8. True, but I thought the Sony engineers enjoyed a challenge! You could say that 44.1kHz is an odd choice of sampling frequency, but they stuck with that one... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Julf wrote: > I think all that that paper shows is that the human ear doesn't perform > a fourier transform, but uses discrete, parallel sensors (hair cells). I thought that there was an implication that human hearing might have more discriminatory ability than previously suspected. I shouldn't imagine fourier transforms come into it but nature does appear to make use of obscure physical phenomena sometimes: for example quantum entanglement has been proposed to offer a explanation for the almost 100% efficiency of photosynthesis in plants, & for the navigation based on minute changes in the earth's magnetic field by birds (robins were the subject of the study). It is only fair to say that alternative mechanisms have also been proposed so the jury is still out on these ideas. Ears have a very curious design & the human brain is simply the most complex object yet discovered. So I think it's reasonable to suggest that psychoacoustics is not as well understood as (say) Nyquist-Shannon sampling theory... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Morning, Dave, Golden Earring wrote: > This is presumably why Sony increased the projected resolution of its > new CD format from the originally proposed 14 bits to 16 bits during the > development phase... Might also simply be because of the easier processing of word lengths that are a multiple of 8. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > An extreme case, but some pipe organs can hit 130db. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipe_organs > > This is close up values obviously, attenuation occurs with distance. > > I also see some references to wind instruments that can hit 115db. > > Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Morning Doc! Unfortunately a lot of the physical locations of such instruments (i.e. churches, cathedrals) are not very well insulated from external noise sources & the natural acoustic of such settings will probably make the effect of such noise leakage worse. For example, the Messiaen organ recordings from Notre Dame cathedral I already mentioned (somewhere!) in which you can hear the noise of passing traffic. So Julf's best case estimate of 35dB background noise is quite likely to be exceeded. Anyway, as he points out there's 11dB to spare in the 16bit dynamic range which would still accommodate your organ (:D !), just... Unless you live in a very quiet & isolated location the noise level in your listening room is likely to exceed 35dB, & you'd probably get busted for making 96dB on top of whatever it is! I suspect that your hearing would also suffer if you did this regularly as well - a lot of bass players get tinnitus from standing too close to their speaker stacks (you'd think they'd stand somewhere else, but bass players do seem to be a breed apart ;) ). Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Julf wrote: > Some simple numbers: If we ignore dither, 16 bits gives you a dynamic > range of 96 dB. I really don't think even the loudest crescendo of any > acoustic concert exceeds 120 dB (an amplified concert of a band such as > Manowar is a different issue, but I would never attend one of their > concerts without professional hearing protectors). The background noise > in even the quietest concert venue is more than 35 dB. That still leaves > 11 dB of margin. Morning Julf! This is presumably why Sony increased the projected resolution of its new CD format from the originally proposed 14 bits to 16 bits during the development phase... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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An extreme case, but some pipe organs can hit 130db. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipe_organs This is close up values obviously, attenuation occurs with distance. I also see some references to wind instruments that can hit 115db. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > > It was this paper > https://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html > that I was seeking your view on actually... > I think all that that paper shows is that the human ear doesn't perform a fourier transform, but uses discrete, parallel sensors (hair cells). "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > I'm a little surprised by the dynamic range you ascribe to an orchestral > concert performance, but again you've probably got more experience of > measuring it than me. I'll put it down to the bloke with the cough 3 > rows back. Why they don't issue cough pastilles at the box office has > always baffled me. All I can say is that I've heard some pretty loud > crescendos at the orchestral concerts I've attended to listen to (as > opposed to record & hence measure in the process). > Some simple numbers: If we ignore dither, 16 bits gives you a dynamic range of 96 dB. I really don't think even the loudest crescendo of any acoustic concert exceeds 120 dB (an amplified concert of a band such as Manowar is a different issue, but I would never attend one of their concerts without professional hearing protectors). The background noise in even the quietest concert venue is more than 35 dB. That still leaves 11 dB of margin. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
