Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
artee wrote: > Like the curate's egg - good in parts. They were the diametric opposite > of the Shure V15 III in terms of trackability, and I don't think that > the turntable/arm suited it much at all. Having said that, the midrange > was sublime. Tracking fell aprt on either side of the midrange, though. > They had what Decca called (if I remember correctly) "Direct tracking" > which meant that the stylus didn't pivot through a piece of compliant > material. That could also have been the cause of its lack of > forgiveness. > I returned it, sadly - but have very fond memories of it. > > Rick My Koetsu Rosewood Signature doesn't track (at 2g, but aided by a sexy stylus shape into not filing my vinyl down too quickly!) as well as the V15 III (at 1g) did either: BUT it sounds -miles- better... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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My NAD phono preamp has both, so it was just a case of switching from one to the other to see which one sounded best. LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > Hi artee! > > DID you like it?? > > Dave :cool: Like the curate's egg - good in parts. They were the diametric opposite of the Shure V15 III in terms of trackability, and I don't think that the turntable/arm suited it much at all. Having said that, the midrange was sublime. Tracking fell aprt on either side of the midrange, though. They had what Decca called (if I remember correctly) "Direct tracking" which meant that the stylus didn't pivot through a piece of compliant material. That could also have been the cause of its lack of forgiveness. I returned it, sadly - but have very fond memories of it. Rick artee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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artee wrote: > I used to like the Shure V15 Mk III a lot - terrific tracking and a > (relatively) neutral sound. I used it in a Philips GA212. A good friend > at the time had the Linn Sondek & (I think) Liinn arm and Linn > cartridge. He was often pissed off because he paid roughly twice as much > as I did, for no better sound. > > I was interested in the famous/notorious Decca London cartridge, and > whether it would work well in the Philips. I wrote to Decca asking the > question. A couple of days later a Decca London cartridge arrived in the > post, with a letter from Decca saying words to the effect of "-we don't > know if it'll work OK in your turntable - try it out, and if it works OK > and you like it, send us money. If you don't want it, send it back-". > Different times... Hi artee! DID you like it?? Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little > sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ > > It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just > for pure nostalgia . Hi Mnyb! I am already pursuing this very course: I have the bits, I just need to do some serious woodwork, assemble & adjust it all & plug it in: I'll keep you posted... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > > As I think I've mentioned (somewhere!) before, I had one of these > beasties, with an SME 3009 Mk2 (?) arm & a Shure V15 Mk III cartridge > before I got the LP12/Ittok combo... > I used to like the Shure V15 Mk III a lot - terrific tracking and a (relatively) neutral sound. I used it in a Philips GA212. A good friend at the time had the Linn Sondek & (I think) Liinn arm and Linn cartridge. He was often pissed off because he paid roughly twice as much as I did, for no better sound. I was interested in the famous/notorious Decca London cartridge, and whether it would work well in the Philips. I wrote to Decca asking the question. A couple of days later a Decca London cartridge arrived in the post, with a letter from Decca saying words to the effect of "-we don't know if it'll work OK in your turntable - try it out, and if it works OK and you like it, send us money. If you don't want it, send it back-". Different times... artee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Hi Bill & Clive! As I think I've mentioned (somewhere!) before, I had one of these beasties, with an SME 3009 Mk2 (?) arm & a Shure V15 Mk III cartridge before I got the LP12/Ittok combo: this originally had a cheap & cheerful MM cartridge fitted (I can't even remember what it was now, other than it was grossly inadequate) - it was another of my s/hand bargains: the gentleman who owned it was a Venezuelan gentleman who was working at their London embassy, but was being transferred in a rush to Madrid. His first problem was that you couldn't air-freight the Ittok because the reduced pressure in the cargo hold would knacker the precision ball-races in the main bearings, & the second was there were at that time no Linn dealers in Spain who would be able to set it up again properly if he sent it by sea. So he concluded that his only option was to flog it quick & get a different deck (I think he had a Pink Triangle in mind, good choice at the time, actually... ). BUT, because he was in an awful rush, I negotiated a very good deal for cash! I was sure that embassy staff got paid well, so I didn't see any reason to feel sorry for him. We set it up in my system & he stayed for a couple of hours to listen to some of my music. Needless to say, his English -was- perfect & he -was- a thoroughly nice chap. Anyway, the cartridge had to go, & I got a Koetsu Black (the one my younger daughter later annihilated!) s/hand for £200 & I believe that I had to buy the MC board for my Meridian 101 pre-amp of the time (OK, but nothing special... ) *new *which REALLY hurt, lol. Anyway, the new deck combo blew the old one away! Ivor Tiefenbaum (?) of Linn was more of a salesman than an engineer - they got their precision engineering done for them by another firm, but he was spot on with his by-line that you can't get back what you've lost at the start - the Shure would track -anything- at 1g, but the SME's knife-edge bearings meant that it could *-wobble -*& that's no good at all! I -was- sorry to sell the Transcriptor's deck - it *was* a gorgeous thing (question for Bill - does it have a 33/45 rpm switch? If so, that was a LOT easier than the original LP12, which -could- play 45s - I had a few 12" ones which were very dynamic - but you had to take the platter off, fit an adaptor over the motor drive & THEN fit a different length belt!! It WAS a hassle. But the "hydraulic" bit was also a pain on the Transcriptor's because the fluid well kept filling up with general crud & particularly bits of discarded hair which made the speed fluctuate, so you had to clean it out frequently & refill it with the not inexpensive viscous fluid that they specified. The strobe WAS a nice touch though. I think ultimately the verybasic bearing & the lack of any sub-chassis isolation let it down. Just my two penny-worth, as ever... Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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One big problem with the Transcriptors turntable was its lack of support for the LP. When it was designed LPs were a decent thickness, but after the oil crises of the early 70s they got a lot thinner and couldn't support their own weight without flexing. All in all, an interesting piece of art, but a debatable piece of engineering. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Great stories, Dave! I still have my Transcriptors deck with the SME arm and Shure cartridge (all vintage mid-1970s), but the turntable needs a new belt and the damping fluid has gone away, so I haven't used it in quite a while. On top of the dustcover I keep the Museum of Modern Art book that shows it in their collection and has this photo: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/3339 Bill ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Clive! > > Just for nostalgia's sake (I -am- 63 now, so please indulge me... ), > I've decided to create a 3-way system: analogue, CD & only 10 years > out-of-date Transporter-based digital music streamer. > > Dave :cool: I realise that it's a bit self-indulgent to quote myself, but I'm -seriously- hypomanic just atm what with my bipolar affective thingy (I can't sleep, which is why I'm posting on here in the middle of the night), so I hope that you will understand. If you think that I'm becoming incoherent (how am I supposed to tell?), give me a nudge & I'll leave you all in peace. However, attention span -is- an issue atm, & I have noticed that I dropped the ball by starting off mentioning my nostalgia project & then rambling on about Koetsus & not mentioning it again. So here it is, FWIW: I've decided that my LP12 is *so* behind the things that it would cost way too much to bring up to current (& vastly over-priced) spec, not to mention that the bearings in my Ittok are probably a bit dodgy after 30 years of very little use (none at all for the last 20!) & 7 house moves in the meantime. So that'll get knocked out to someone even -more- nostalgic than me, who likes fiddling with stuff. Instead, I've secured some fairly serious Avid gear s/hand at a great price: Volvere SP turntable with bearing upgrade & twin drive belt mod by the original Avid dealer with SME 309 arm rewired with fully balanced silver litz internal cable (you *can* make tis work with the Rosewood Signature if you're prepared to get down & dirty with all the adjustments - & since I AM the Devil, attention to detail IS my speciality ;) . Obviously the SME Series V is a potential upgrade, but from what I've read, most of the advantage is in the ease of adjustment rather than any major improvement in sound, *if* I succeed in getting the 309 aligned correctly. Add to that a pretty serious 2 box MM/MC phono preamp, with balanced XLR in & outs, called the Pellere (this is definitely my king of kit: its multitude of adjustable cartridge loadings, both resistive & capacitive + its gain options are ALL concealed on the underside of the unit, so the front has no controls at all - not? after all, once you've set it correctly, it's done... ). So that's the nostalgia analogue side: I'm just praying that the Koetsu is still on-song, since Sugano-sen Senior who made it has not been with us for some time, although Sugano-sen Junior is continuing the family business of exquisitely hand-made cartridges, & is allegedly -nearly- as good as his dad was, which is why they're still not particularly cheap - each one is like a musical instrument. IF mine does need a re-build it will not be cheap, since hey routinely replace everything except the rosewood case (which apparently *improves* with age, a bit like me. lol!), but at least I'd get the boron magnets which weren't available in the 1980's when mine was born. *N**ote to Clive:* you did well to avoid ever hearing one! ;) As Hannibal says in "The Silence Of The Lambs" to Clarisse, you only covet what you see (or in this case, hear!). Once I've got it all set up, which will involve some serious amateur woodwork to create some acoustically isolated plinths & shelving, I'll let you know if you'd like to hear what you missed - don't worry, it -can't- compete with Shannon-Nyquist powered digital streaming from a bit-perfect source, can it? As for the CD nostalgia trip, that's simple - I've got hold of a Pathos Acoustics endorphin in pristine condition, from eBay of all places. It DID involve a 500-mile road trip & a night in a Premier Inn in Sheffield, but since they're about as rare as hen's teeth & I negotiated a 15% discount on the back of the journey (!) from a price that was already below the going rate such as it sporadically is across the whole of Europe, neither I nor my trusty 2002 MX-5 bothered too much. It wouldn't fit in the boot (& you just have to have the large & very carefully internally padded heavy plywood box: after staring at it for some time, I reckon that I have now figured out -how -they made the lid - it can't have been routed, the background is way too smooth! It's a work of art in itself) so it slept on my double bed, with the help of a friendly & strapping Yorkshire lass of a receptionist who helped me lug it up from their secure (but not THAT secure!) underground car park to the lift & thence to my room on the 9th floor: of course, once I had her to myself in my bedroom, she wanted to know what I'd got, so I showed her. Oh, stop misbehaving, I'm talking about the CD player! Dave (cool) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com
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cliveb wrote: > Even fresh out of the bag brand-new LPs can have mold release agent that > is worth removing. And apart from the Keith Monks (which is thousands to > buy), vacuum cleaners can be had for a few hundred. They are the only > *really* effective way to clean LPs. Agreed. I put my new ones through my dishwasher. Just kiddin'... :rolleyes: Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb wrote: > I've never heard a Koetsu, for the very practical reason that I didn't > want to in case it made me need to afford to buy one. But IIRC, Koetsu > cartridges share a lot of design features with the Supex ones, and I do > remember them being a little more refined and less "in your face" than > things like Dynavectors and Linn MCs. > > Even fresh out of the bag brand-new LPs can have mold release agent that > is worth removing. And apart from the Keith Monks (which is thousands to > buy), vacuum cleaners can be had for a few hundred. They are the only > *really* effective way to clean LPs. Hi Clive! Just for nostalgia's sake (I -am- 63 now, so please indulge me... ), I've decided to create a 3-way system: analogue, CD & only 10 years out-of-date Transporter-based digital music streamer. I had a Koetsu Black (which I had picked up s/hand in the 1980's for £200, as ever!) in my original (pre-EVERYTHING LP12 with Ittok LVII arm + extra counterweight): it was a LOT better than my previous Transcriptor's Hydraulic Reference deck with SME 3009 Mk2 (?) & Shure V15-III MM cartridge, even through my fairly average Meridian 101 pre-amp (with internal MC card fitter after the deck swap) + pair of Meridian 105 mono-block amps attempting to tame my monstrously reactive Spendor BCIII loudspeakers. THEN my sweet 2 year old daughter with the agility of a monkey climbed out of her play-pen when my wife was briefly occupied elsewhere in my house & managed to climb up the wall about 5 feet to where I had carefully relocated my record deck on a wall bracket to keep it out of reach from curious little fingers! So when I got home from a hard slog in the City, my Koetsu was lacking its entire cantilever (which we never even found for all the good that would do). Oh well. Being fairly flush at the time, I had an "all bells & whistles" home contents insurance policy with new for old replacement cover through the bank which my wife worked for. I got it out & read the small print. We were certainly not under-insured, but there was a limit for unspecified items of £1500. By good fortune my wife's brother also worked for the same bank, in a different bank & of course his surname was her maiden name. So I got him to put in a general enquiry on behalf of an anonymous potential insurance customer as to whether the insurance division of the bank would regard the deck, arm + cartridge of a "high-end" set-up as separate items with regard to their £1500 limit, or whether they would class the entire ensemble as one item (thereby requiring specific identification as a high-value item if it was worth over £1500 - this was something which I had -not -done when taking out *my* policy): btw, the LP12 + Ittok were s/hand as well, lol, you know what I'm like... So, via Mike, the answer comes back that the whole thing is ONE item: no real surprise there, I am dealing with an insurance company. But no cause for despair, a quick visit to a really good local retailer (who had a -seriously- impressive collection of 10,000 vinyl albums for auditioning purposes - he actually LIKED music himself) who could supply all my deck components new, & a polite request for a valuation that *maximised* the value of my stone cold dead Koetsu Black, whilst bringing in the overall valuation of the set in under £1500 & btw, I will make this worth your while: "No problem, Dave!". Nice guy, the Koetsu Black was £595, & the grand total was something like £1487.75p!! ;)MAGIC I filed my claim. The bank sent out a loss adjuster. I showed him my diminutive daughter (she's still under 5' at age 27, but perfectly-proportioned of course!), the substantial Alcatraz model play-pen & the carefully positioned wall bracket for my deck - then I gave him Rob's "independent" valuation on his impressive letterhead. he loss adjuster stared at it all, then shrugged his shoulders & said, "I think we're going to have to pay this one". RESULT The only problem is, I can't play my music! So I scour the s/hand ads & come across this geezer knocking out a pre-owned Koetsu Rosewood Signature (then list £2000, still available new at a bargain £3798 according to Oxford Audio Consultants) for £500. I phone the geezer up - he assures me that it's had minimal use, & was formerly installed in a Goldmund Reference Turntable, which was serious kit at around £30,000 a pop. I get a distinct sense that I'm NOT being fed a line, this guy just needs some quick cash. I tell him that I have a good idea & that I'll be in touch again shortly when I've set it up. So I call Rob, who is -deeply- sceptical - I point out that I'm already nearly £400 up, so I'm not really risking much - but what I'd like to do is to pay him the £500 to hold in escrow: then I'll get the geezer to call him (he can check that the number is legit, this is a high-end shop here) & when he has confirmation that Rob has my cash with express permission to pay it on, he will ship the cartridge to Rob for inspection. If
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Apesbrain wrote: > Just chiming in to say that I use a Benz ACE (0.8 mV; first gen model) > and like it very much. I've owned many cartridges including an > Audio-Technica AT-14Sa. If I needed a new cartridge, I'm sure I could > live happily with one of the current A-T line such as the VM-740ML. My > memory is of a nice clean sound and very good tracking. I've always > read favorable things about the OC-9 series as well. Enjoy! Both the Ace and the OC-9 are very good carts. And yes, I'm enjoying the AT. Listening to ' Van Morrison - The Alternative Moondance. [image: https://img.discogs.com/-X6z23E-SN_HJweGafK0Yr9aX3o=/fit-in/600x597/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-11896140-1524372016-9222.jpeg.jpg] ' (https://www.discogs.com/Van-Morrison-The-Alternative-Moondance/release/11896140) This is a Record Store Day 2018 release. Great album! 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > > When we have transducers , pickups microphones and speakers , some of > them are better by objective results but there is also an element of > taste involved Amen to that :-) 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Yes the best MM transducers ( I owned som Grados to ) is probably the best trackers. Like,the Ortofon OM40 . And not to mention the matching with ones tone arm ? Any results is possible ? And fine tuning the impedance of the phono preamp , Ive had an electrocompagniet mc pre with whole bunch of resistors to exchange . Some riaa stages in some amps Ive had had capacitive matching too , needed for MM pickups . So probably each one of would get disparate results with the same pickup :) One could try to find the best transducer , but Ive seen very few decent test on pickups of any kind . You need special records to measure their abilities. And they all have clear flaws . In the end Ive found that all LP playback systems I owned had obvious audible flaws . They are like speakers in a way , you always have audible distortion of some kind . There are no truly transparent choices ( like it is in digital and modern analog electronics ). So you have to pick your poison. But you can do it smartly and not just on feelings . When we have transducers , pickups microphones and speakers , some of them are better by objective results but there is also an element of taste involved Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > You reckon that low output MC cartridges *generally* sound better than > high output ones: would you carry that generalisation so far as to > include my original 1980s Koetsu Rosewood Signature, or would you need > to hear it first to make up your mind? Of course, it's -not- perfect > (neither am I, wouldn't that be awful? :D ), but it IS very musical! I didn't say they sound *better*, just that they have more "boogie factor". They appear to give a more dynamic sound (in the sense of what an audiophile might call "faster"), but I'm not sure it is necessarily better in an objective sense - it could be some kind of distortion that happens to give the impression of more dynamics. My gut feeling is that a high end MM like a Shure V15 or similar is probably a more neutral transducer. I've never heard a Koetsu, for the very practical reason that I didn't want to in case it made me need to afford to buy one. But IIRC, Koetsu cartridges share a lot of design features with the Supex ones, and I do remember them being a little more refined and less "in your face" than things like Dynavectors and Linn MCs. Golden Earring wrote: > It might be cheaper to replace your discs than to BUY a professional > cleaning machine! Even fresh out of the bag brand-new LPs can have mold release agent that is worth removing. And apart from the Keith Monks (which is thousands to buy), vacuum cleaners can be had for a few hundred. They are the only *really* effective way to clean LPs. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just chiming in to say that I use a Benz ACE (0.8 mV; first gen model) and like it very much. I've owned many cartridges including an Audio-Technica AT-14Sa. If I needed a new cartridge, I'm sure I could live happily with one of the current A-T line such as the VM-740ML. My memory is of a nice clean sound and very good tracking. I've always read favorable things about the OC-9 series as well. Enjoy! Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Golden Earring wrote: > ... Does no-one offer a professional record cleaning service with a > fixed price per disc anymore? > > Absolutely. It's run out of the back of a buggywhip shop that I frequent. I can send along the address if interested. They don't have a phone (naturally). Squeezebox Touch (Classic in system #2) Notebook serving .3T library Control: Samsung phone or tablet + OrangeSqueeze, Duet remote Guy48065's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38659 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb wrote: > Been away in Australia for a few weeks so late to this thread. Thought > I'd offer my take on it. > > Vinyl LP technology is outdated, seriously flawed and quite frankly a > bit of a dog's dinner. > > And yet - it can sound bloody marvelous. Go figure. My personal opinion > is that it's because human hearing is sufficiently poor that even LP can > be adequate. (I know Arny wouldn't agree). > > Bottom line : mastering quality is more important than the delivery > medium. If the best master is only available on LP, then the LP will > give the most enjoyable listening experience. > > As for the debate over cartridge types, I generally found that low > output MC types gave more "boogie factor" than MM or high output MCs. > Quite possibly less accurate than a decent Shure model, but in the > context of vinyl, accuracy isn't really the point. > > And finally, if you're serious about vinyl, do yourself a favour and get > a vacuum cleaning machine such as a Nitty Gritty, VPI or Moth. Or a > Keith Monks if you're very rich. Hi Clive! I trust that you had a great time in Australia & am delighted to hear that you are back in Watford unscathed: they DO have some seriously unfriendly + potentially deadly wildlife out there if you get too far from the beach. In either direction! ;) I'm in full agreement with most of your post, which is why I have quoted it in full. I have no idea why Arny is -so- belligerent on this forum, especially to newbies. It is actually an unsolved mystery of the universe, because I have observed him go out of his way to be helpful to newcomers on other forums. I myself had a fairly extended run-in with him when I started posting on here until I bluntly accused him of being rude & (hopefully!) demonstrated that I am NOT a complete idiot either when it comes to hi-fi or other areas of human ignorance (we don't really know anything, as per Socrates... ). Since then I have actually had some interesting discussions with him & have learned a lot of what we think we know! I suppose one must accept that it takes all sorts (sorry, Arny!) & attempt to accentuate the positive. I particularly agree with your comments about mastering & would add that the skill of the recording engineer is also paramount, especially when it comes to classical music: Walter Legge assembled his Philharmonia Orchestra in the 1950s specifically to record their output. But his skill at capturing the balance of an orchestra, especially in the concerto style, is practically unsurpassable. A particular favourite of mine is the 1954 (mono) recording of Mozart's 4 Horn Concertos, with the late great Dennis Brain on French Horn & Herbert Von Karajan conducting in a particularly NON-Teutonic fashion. Of course, you can now get it in a fairly pointless 24bit 96kHz box, but I derived great pleasure from it on a good EMI vinyl pressing in the 1980s. Which brings me to my other point... You reckon that low output MC cartridges *generally* sound better than high output ones: would you carry that generalisation so far as to include my original 1980s Koetsu Rosewood Signature, or would you need to hear it first to make up your mind? Of course, it's -not- perfect (neither am I, wouldn't that be awful? :D ), but it IS very musical! It might be cheaper to replace your discs than to BUY a professional cleaning machine! Does no-one offer a professional record cleaning service with a fixed price per disc anymore? Dave :cool: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb wrote: > > Vinyl LP technology is outdated, seriously flawed and quite frankly a > bit of a dog's dinner. I agree with that. Although I never ditched my vinyl collection I never listened to it. Until I recently discovered that it can sound a bit better than I was used to. cliveb wrote: > > And yet - it can sound bloody marvelous. Go figure. My personal opinion > is that it's because human hearing is sufficiently poor that even LP can > be adequate. (I know Arny wouldn't agree). Yes it can sound great. This is not to say that I'm about to ditch my CD's... I just enjoy a vinyl album every now and then. And this is what our hobby should be all about: enjoyment. cliveb wrote: > > Bottom line : mastering quality is more important than the delivery > medium. If the best master is only available on LP, then the LP will > give the most enjoyable listening experience. That is so true. The term listening fatigue is probably due to poorly mastered and compressed music. cliveb wrote: > > As for the debate over cartridge types, I generally found that low > output MC types gave more "boogie factor" than MM or high output MCs. My experience with MC carts is too limited but I did enjoy the Benz Ace which was a high output MC cart. The OC9 I have now is a low output cart. I didn't AB the two carts and frankly I'm not interested in doing that (for the few vinyl records I play). But I have the feeling that the OC9 produces a tad bit more detail. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > No you won't want to hear my opinions if you are at all a normal > audiophile. What exactly is a "normal audiophile"? How do you measure that? arnyk wrote: > > The solution to this problem is ... There is / was no problem. I was just amazed by the sound quality produced by the Benz Ace. You seems to be quite an arrogant person. I posted an honest question and wasn't really out to get "smart answers" like yours. If that's all you have to say then just say nothing! 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Daverz wrote: > What name calling? I called your -post- obnoxious, because, if we are > being frank now, it was obnoxious. You saw a post about analog > equipment and your objectivist warrior mode kicked in (if it is in fact > ever turned off). LOL. You post all the above and have the chutzpah to claim no name-calling. So what is "Objectivist Warrior" is not name calling? This is a level of lack of self-awareness that I am all too familiar with as I deal with solipsistic illusional audiophiles all the time. Have a nice day! arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > OK so a frank analysis of what is obvioius to many can cause pain in > hypersensitive places; I can handle that! > > The name-calling and deceptive redaction of the OP is noted, and really > says all that I need to say. > What name calling? I called your -post- obnoxious, because, if we are being frank now, it was obnoxious. You saw a post about analog equipment and your objectivist warrior mode kicked in (if it is in fact ever turned off). Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I don't think it's an indictment of human hearing that people like LP so much. More a reflection of the fact that the net result of all the inevitable distortions seems to flatter the audio in the first place, making it better fit the home audio playback environment at lower listening levels and mitigating the worst mastering disasters too. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Been away in Australia for a few weeks so late to this thread. Thought I'd offer my take on it. Vinyl LP technology is outdated, seriously flawed and quite frankly a bit of a dog's dinner. And yet - it can sound bloody marvelous. Go figure. My personal opinion is that it's because human hearing is sufficiently poor that even LP can be adequate. (I know Arny wouldn't agree). Bottom line : mastering quality is more important than the delivery medium. If the best master is only available on LP, then the LP will give the most enjoyable listening experience. As for the debate over cartridge types, I generally found that low output MC types gave more "boogie factor" than MM or high output MCs. Quite possibly less accurate than a decent Shure model, but in the context of vinyl, accuracy isn't really the point. And finally, if you're serious about vinyl, do yourself a favour and get a vacuum cleaning machine such as a Nitty Gritty, VPI or Moth. Or a Keith Monks if you're very rich. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Daverz wrote: > You know that Pascal can hear you, right? Do you not realize how > obnoxious this kind of cod psychoanalysis is? Especially as no claims > were made beyond "I enjoyed some records on my friends equipment." > OK so a frank analysis of what is obvioius to many can cause pain in hypersensitive places; I can handle that! The name-calling and deceptive redaction of the OP is noted, and really says all that I need to say. > > > Anyway, electro-mechanical transducers like phono cartridges have rather > gross differences from each other, even just in frequency response. > > > > > > > > More deception. > > > > The true facts are that different phono cartrdiges may or may not have > > audible timbre differences, but mismatching levels is well known way to > > make things sound different, especially in the realm of timbre. > > > > For example, play this file loud enough, and the first several tones > > will sound like they are have different pitch, even though the only > > difference is that they vary in loudness: > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yz96cxig0e3pen/dynamic%20range%20test%203%20KHz%20tone.flac?dl=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolute level matching is probably not essential during a casual > > > listening session at a friends house. > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that absolute level matching is required. More > > deceptive paraphrasing. I do recommend that levels be matched within > > +-0.1 dB based on average RMS levels across the whole selection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do lament to the loss of measurements in modern reviews of analog > > > equipment.> > > > > > > > They can be found if you know where to look. > > > > For example: > > https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/vinyl/turntable-accessories/shure-m97xe-phono-cartridge-review/ > > > > > > However their loss is easy to attribute to the techical dumbing down > > of audio as a hobby based on rampant subjectivism. Solipsists have > > no need for measurements, they already have found the "Truth Within" arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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arnyk wrote: > No you won't want to hear my opinions if you are at all a normal > audiophile. > > What I get from the OP is a pile of audiophile nervosa wrapped up in a > post that follows the plot of jillions of other audiophile tall tales > I've heard over the decades. > > (1) Friend spends the big bucks on a new toy. > > (2) Sighted evaluation of the new toy with no reliable standard for > sound quality on the premises. > > (3) Audiophile falls in love with expensive new toy belonging to a > friend. > > (4) Audiophile ascribes all sorts of wonderful sonic things for an > expensive new toy. > > I'll bet money that there was not even any formal level matching in the > evaluation. > > So, is it the new toy or the classic experiment in sociology? > > The outcome was/is absolutely predictable. > > The solution to this problem is as always technical tests and good > listening evaluations, both of which are generally ignored by > audiophiles because of their apparent connections with logic and reason. You know that Pascal can hear you, right? Do you not realize how obnoxious this kind of cod psychoanalysis is? Especially as no claims were made beyond "I enjoyed some records on my friends equipment." Anyway, electro-mechanical transducers like phono cartridges have rather gross differences from each other, even just in frequency response. Absolute level matching is probably not essential during a casual listening session at a friends house. I do lament to the loss of measurements in modern reviews of analog equipment. Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Last week I was at a friends house and while I was there he played a > few vinyl records. While we were chatting, I mentioned that would love > to compare an MC cart to my current MM cart, which is a Shure M97xE. I > like the Shure but my only complaint is that it lacks a bit of > resolution in the high frequency range. Apart from that I always > wondered about the differences between MM and MC carts in general. Do > they sound really that much different / better? > My friend had an MC cart which he wasnt using anymore and he lent it to > me for comparison. This is a Benz Ace high output cart so it would work > with my MM phono pre-amp. > > Boy oh boy, what a difference! The Ace is brighter than the Shure and > the high frequencies sound very nice and clean. Okay I know the Shure > costs about 100 Euro while the Benz costs about 1000 Euro. That is about > 900 Euro difference; the difference in sound between the two is not 900 > Euro (I kept telling myself). But Since then Ive listening to a lot of > my vinyl records again. Im getting more and more comfortable with the > heavy price tag of the Benz. I dont know if that is a good thing > It is still a lot of money to slam on a turntable and in the end it is > just a cartridge. Im wondering if anyone here is having or had the same > experience on the topic? If I would get an MC cart and a cheaper one > than the Ace would I still love the sound so much? One thing is for > sure, the Shure wont cut it anymore > > > > Love to hear your experiences. No you won't want to hear my opinions, if you are at all a normal audiophile. What I get from the OP is a pile of audiophile nervosa wrapped up in a post that follows the plot of jillions of other audiophile tall tales I've heard over the decades. (1) Friend spends the big bucks on a new toy. (2) Sighted evalation of new toywith no reliable standard for sound quality on the premesis. (3) Audiophile falls in love with expensive new toy belonging to friend. (4) Audiophile ascribes all sorts of wonderful sonic things for expensive new toy. I'll bet money that there was not even any formal level matching in the evaluation. So, is it the new toy or the classic expeirement in sociology? The outcome was/is absolutely predictable. The solution ito this problem is as always technical tests and good listening evaluations, both of which are geneally ignored by audiophiles because of their apparent connections with logic and reason. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Yes, it's true that replacement styli are often half the original cost of the cartridge. However, I don't think I've ever gotten 50% off on any trade-in deal, and you don't have to send the cartridge back for re-tipping. Hate to sound fickle, but I've already taken the 150 off. Fast, clean midrange and bass, good tracker, but also bright and can't really portray massed strings attractively. Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > Enjoy :) i actually never heard an AT cartridge , for some reason they > never where that common among my friends and the dealers i visited back > then. Thanks Mnyb. Even today, the AT's seem to be quite popular. During my vinyl days I have mostly used Shure carts and one Ortofon. This quest really opened by my eyes in terms of cart manufactures. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Daverz wrote: > I used an AT33PTG for years and loved it. Your post inspired me to > install an AT150MLX MM cart I've had lying around for years (I didn't > like it with my old phono pre). Without threaded holes it was a bitch > to install, but it sounds great. Those who can't do MCs and want a > replaceable stylus should check it out. The AT150MLX is discontinued. It has a boron cantilever and that is a good sign for SQ (not an expert here but that seems to be consistent during my research). The specs look great too. I'm sure it will sound great as well. AT has a lot of great carts who are discontinued. Shame really. A replaceable stylus is not always a "plus". For example: the stylus replacement of the 2M Black cost almost as much as the complete cart. Many MC cart manufactures have a replacement program for their carts for worn / broken styluses. In such cases, having a replaceable stylus is not always a pro. The Shure drove me away from MM but I guess this is a false feeling. I heard the 2M Black and that one is in a complete different league than the M97xE too. Of coarse it costs about 5 times more than the Shure... In all honesty, the Shure offers good value for the money but there are certainly better carts to be found in that price range. The OC9 is more expensive than the Sure but it offers way better sound quality. During my quest I found that Nagaoka is also a brand to take a look at. Their MP-150 gets excellent reviews and I was temped by an MP-200 but couldn't find it on demo. Both are MM carts as well. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Enjoy :) i actually never heard an AT cartridge , for some reason they never where that common among my friends and the dealers i visited back then. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Well since I started this thread I thought I needed to post an update. > During my quest for a new cart I finally ended up with a shortlist of > carts. This shortlist was based upon several sources such as friends > opinions, reviews, reading various sources on the internet, etc. The > shortlist was composed out of these carts: > > * Audio Technica AT-OC9/III (MC cart) > I used an AT33PTG for years and loved it. Your post inspired me to install an AT150MLX MM cart I've had lying around for years (I didn't like it with my old phono pre). Without threaded holes it was a bitch to install, but it sounds great. Those who can't do MCs and want a replaceable stylus should check it out. Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Well since I started this thread I thought I needed to post an update. During my quest for a new cart I finally ended up with a shortlist of carts. This shortlist was based upon several sources such as friends opinions, reviews, reading various sources on the internet, etc. The shortlist was composed out of these carts: * Denon 103r (MC cart) * Ortofon 2M Black (MM cart) * Audio Technica AT-OC9/III (MC cart) I contacted a few dealers and finally made an appointment with a dealer who had two of the three on demo (Ortofon and AT). This listening session let me to buy the AT-OC9/III cart. I found that voice have more "body" with the AT compared to the 2M. The AT produces tighter bass and bass is well controlled. I also feel that the AT produced better detail in the high frequencies compared to the Benz Ace. So I'm very happy with this purchase. It costs about half of the Benz and produces at least equally good quality sound. If anyone is looking to buy a new cart I can highly recommend the AT-OC9/III. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Hello, At 22:00 18/03/2018, you wrote: We have several treads on recording vinyl you do need a riaa stage or preamp or similar , not just the analog in on your computer. Yes, i forgot about that and have a creek obh8 going into my amplifier Maybe a better sound card if inputs on laptops reached new bottom levels . But any decent soundcards fidelity far exceeds vinyl . Maybe in specs but what about noise particularly with vinyl being in the more vulnerable analogue format. I think the best way to go would be to get the analogue into digital before it enters the hostile environment of a PC with it radio frequency interference. On topic it was some fun when I was young with 400 LP's . It would surely be unmanageable with my 4500 disc digital collection.:D here the server excels But putting on a vinyl or inserting any old fashion media means you are committed . I'd sometimes tend to zap truogh my music and change my mind I still listen to albums at a time on my DAP and never use shuffle. Martin "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - so said Cardinal Richelieu: ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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It occurs to me that the OP might find answers to his cartridge query over at a forum like that at 'vinylengine' (https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/index.php). For my part, I enjoy playing vinyl - but out of convenience most of my listening is done from digital, CDs or vinyl ripped to my NAS, or just bought as downloads. Re enjoying vinyl, maybe that's an age/nostalgia thing, but it's also an aesthetic thing to do with the packaging and the requirement to look after the artist's product. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9.1 with files on QNAP TS-239 Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) PiCorePlayer(Pi2) with IQAudIO DAC+>Sennheisers 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little > sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ > > It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just > for pure nostalgia . I don't miss vinyl one bit, even though I still have my albums and my turntable in storage. I haven't used them for over 15 years, so it's time to let them go... :-) I sold my Accuphase CD player to someone not long ago. All that remains is a ripping CD player on my computer and dbPoweramp, because I still buy CDs. And then gift them. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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We have several treads on recording vinyl you do need a riaa stage or preamp or similar , not just the analog in on your computer. Maybe a better sound card if inputs on laptops reached new bottom levels . But any decent soundcards fidelity far exceeds vinyl . On topic it was some fun when I was young with 400 LPs . It would surely be unmanageable with my 4500 disc digital collection.:D here the server excels But putting on a vinyl or inserting any old fashion media means you are committed . Id sometimes tend to zap truogh my music and change my mind Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Hello, At 04:55 18/03/2018, you wrote: When I remeber my LP days it thought the low level MC cart sounded even better , bu then you need a separate MC amp before the MM input or a phone stage that handles MC directly , something that you select both gain and I put impedance . Cart also needs matching to the tonearm I mostly used Ortofon and Xyz carts back then . Problem is that that they all are are expensive and a wear out and need replacement often :/ Yeah i have never really played vin-yl -without recording it at the same time :) Maybe you rip the vinyl while having the Benz in your rig :) it will preserve the sound perfectly ( or slightly better as there will be no acoustical feedback ) The question is how to do this? Using an analogue input on a PC and audacity i dont think will turn out sounding very good. I did use minidisc being 24bit although 48khz and lossy as well. Martin Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin (17061790) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Ah . . but you had one, and so did I, but very sensibly *I* didn't use it. :confused: *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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kidstypike wrote: > You didn't mention this must have :( :) > > 24731 A "must have"?!? When I used one of these devices on my turntable it seemed as if i was listening through a dirty window. In addition the entire soundstage collapsed and the tonal balance was all wrong. Not to mention that the pace of the music dragged. So did I touch all the audiophile bases? :) Here's another "must have" device: +---+ |Filename: at_at6006_safety_raiser.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24733| +---+ Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you > played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having > to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and > move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that > wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? > > I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years > and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is > just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way > to say "inconvenient". > > When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. > Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. You didn't mention this must have :( :) 24731 +---+ |Filename: dust-bug1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24731| +---+ *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you > played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having > to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and > move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that > wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? > > I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years > and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is > just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way > to say "inconvenient". > > When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. > Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. I understand what you mean and most of the time I tend to agree with the above. There are just other times when it is nice to "slow down". These are the moments I could enjoy all of the above :-) And there is a good thing about that: yes one tends to listen to the complete album and not just press the skip forward button. That also made me rediscover music too. So you see, there is something positive in everything! 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is > the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter > what cart one uses. > I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD > quality. > > Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb > described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. > The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my > records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start > to sound like an audiophile...) Turntables and cartridges are an area where "audiophile" tweaking definitely can make a difference. Have a look at this cartridge mod. https://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=20559.0 slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is > the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter > what cart one uses. > I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD > quality. > > Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb > described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. > The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my > records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start > to sound like an audiophile...) Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way to say "inconvenient". When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj wrote: > Why not compare the sound of an LP played using the Benz to the sound of > flac files (both standard resolution and high resolution - if available) > of the same recording streamed via your Touch. The flac files should be > sourced from either a CD rip or a digital download, in other words not > from a vinyl rip. > > That is really the true comparison because if the analog LP doesn't > sound better than digital streaming what's the point of spending money > on a cartridge. Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter what cart one uses. I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD quality. Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start to sound like an audiophile...) 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little > sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ > > It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just > for pure nostalgia . I never ditched my vinyl. I don't think I could. It is something I grew up with and still cherish. The artwork, the smell of the record, the fact you need to turn the record after about 20 min, etc is all part of the ritual. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Why not compare the sound of an LP played using the Benz to the sound of flac files (both standard resolution and high resolution - if available) of the same recording streamed via your Touch. The flac files should be sourced from either a CD rip or a digital download, in other words not from a vinyl rip. That is really the true comparison because if the analog LP doesn't sound better than digital streaming what's the point of spending money on a cartridge. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Just have an old LP next to the deck, get it out the sleeve and drop the needle on it. While having the deck wired to start playing the flac files on your squeezebox in the background... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just for pure nostalgia . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mnyb wrote: > When I remeber my LP days it thought the low level MC cart sounded even > better , bu then you need a separate MC amp before the MM input or a > phone stage that handles MC directly , something that you select both > gain and I put impedance . > Yes, I've read about that topic as well. While many claim that the low output is even better I have some doubts about it because there are a few other things that come into play. A low output MC cart needs a lot higher amplification. Higher amplification means more noise; one noise component coming from the higher gain of the amplifier; but also a second component coming from the cart combined with the high gain (it picks up unwanted things who get amplified as well). I had a project on the stack to built my own phono stage. That stage has an MC and MM input. I guess I need to move up this project and start it now. Mnyb wrote: > > Problem is that that they all are are expensive and a wear out and need > replacement often :/ > Yes, that's another thing that holds me back with these expensive MC carts. On the other hand, companies such as Benz Micro and Ortofon (and a few other) offer a replacement program, usually around 20% of the purchase price, to replace the cart with a refurbished one (new tip and cantilever). The only down side about that is that you buy into a brand. Mnyb wrote: > > Maybe you rip the vinyl while having the Benz in your rig :) it will > preserve the sound perfectly ( or slightly better as there will be no > acoustical feedback ) I've though about that too. Now that I still have my friend's cart I think I'll rip one of my albums to see how that works out. I must honestly say that I was surprised by the fact that vinyl could sound this good. It still is not CD quality but it is very good. And it adds something to the sound and the experience that CD doesn't have. I can't put it into words but there is certainly something to say for vinyl. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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When I remeber my LP days it thought the low level MC cart sounded even better , bu then you need a separate MC amp before the MM input or a phone stage that handles MC directly , something that you select both gain and I put impedance . Cart also needs matching to the tonearm I mostly used Ortofon and Xyz carts back then . Problem is that that they all are are expensive and a wear out and need replacement often :/ Maybe you rip the vinyl while having the Benz in your rig :) it will preserve the sound perfectly ( or slightly better as there will be no acoustical feedback ) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Last week I was at a friends house and while I was there he played a few vinyl records. While we were chatting, I mentioned that would love to compare an MC cart to my current MM cart, which is a Shure M97xE. I like the Shure but my only complaint is that it lacks a bit of resolution in the high frequency range. Apart from that I always wondered about the differences between MM and MC carts in general. Do they sound really that much different / better? My friend had an MC cart which he wasnt using anymore and he lent it to me for comparison. This is a Benz Ace high output cart so it would work with my MM phono pre-amp. Boy oh boy, what a difference! The Ace is brighter than the Shure and the high frequencies sound very nice and clean. Okay I know the Shure costs about 100 Euro while the Benz costs about 1000 Euro. That is about 900 Euro difference; the difference in sound between the two is not 900 Euro (I kept telling myself). But Since then Ive listening to a lot of my vinyl records again. Im getting more and more comfortable with the heavy price tag of the Benz. I dont know if that is a good thing It is still a lot of money to slam on a turntable and in the end it is just a cartridge. Im wondering if anyone here is having or had the same experience on the topic? If I would get an MC cart and a cheaper one than the Ace would I still love the sound so much? One thing is for sure, the Shure wont cut it anymore Love to hear your experiences. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles