Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
How about a pair of Klipsch outdoor speakers about 10 feet apart where the main seating will be. If that is not enough, add another pair later. A volume control on the wall would be nice. Here is a weather proof one: http://www.smarthome.com/6749E/Niles-WVC100E-Enclosed-Weatherproof-Volume-Control-with-Selectable-Impedance-Magnification/p.aspx. For an amp, a used Speakercraft amp on ebay would fit your budget. These are tanks and can handle two sets of speakers easily. E.g., http://www.ebay.com/itm/SpeakerCraft-BB275-AUDIO-AMP-Discrete-HIGH-CURRENT-Stereo-AMPLIFIER-Speakers-/110759661740?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c9ca50ac#ht_2135wt_1153 -- jcowling jcowling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9345 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
jcowling;665299 Wrote: A volume control on the wall would be nice. Here is a weather proof one: http://www.smarthome.com/6749E/Niles-WVC100E-Enclosed-Weatherproof-Volume-Control-with-Selectable-Impedance-Magnification/p.aspx. I can vouch for that Niles outdoor inline volume control. I have that same model on my outdoor system, for those times when you need to change the volume faster than you can find the SB remote. But it's not cheap. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
RonM;661185 Wrote: Sound is better than most outdoor speakers. That wasn't my experience when I moved from using a Boom outdoors to using an inexpensive combo of SB Receiver, Audiosource AMP100, and Polk Atrium 45 speakers. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
I did say most. yrmd. R. -- RonM RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
RonM;661232 Wrote: I did say most. yrmd. I noticed that, and to be honest, I haven't listened to most outdoor speakers :-) But I thought I'd chime in since the equipment in my outdoor system is pretty near bottom of the scale, with the speakers only $100/pair and the amp about $90. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
LRLR makes sense. I'll give that a try. -- Kyle Regards, Jim Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
If the patio is covered is there a need for outdoor speakers? I think I'd mix it down to mono as well for that setup. Nobody is likely to hear much of a stereo image and anyone sitting close to one of the speakers isn't going to hear all of the music. There was a recent thread that discussed how this can be done in Squeezebox Server itself by using SoX to do the mono mixing. Pretty simple, and easily disabled to go back to stereo, so you could wire the speakers LRLR and then experiment. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=657427#post657427 -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
In my own covered outdoor environments, I've found that the Boom works very nicely. I abandoned my wiring projects altogether once I had my first Boom. Stereo issues won't arise, since the Boom's speakers are conjoined twins, and stereo is only really produced at close range. Two Booms (if required) could be synced and produce a very nice effect over a large space. And, of course, they can be used in uncovered environments in clement weather, and regardless of where they are, they easily moved under cover. Sound is better than most outdoor speakers. R. -- RonM RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Without a dedicated listening position, stereo is pointless IMO. I think I would place the speakers evenly, and perhaps try a LRLR configuration for even distribution of the sound. (And maybe experiment with LRRL for some semblance of stereo.) Switching the cables back and forth should be a breeze, so if you don't like it you can easily go back to the default(?) LLRR setup. -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch (sans caps) + duet + boom + radio (portable) / dd-wrt on linksys wrt160n v3 / sbs 7.6.2 on w7(x86) with avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Soulkeeper;660694 Wrote: Without a dedicated listening position, stereo is pointless IMO. I think I would place the speakers evenly, and perhaps try a LRLR configuration for even distribution of the sound. (And maybe experiment with LRRL for some semblance of stereo.) Switching the cables back and forth should be a breeze, so if you don't like it you can easily go back to the default(?) LLRR setup. Agreed - in fact unless one is a big fan of 60's psych (with its out-of-phase panning FX) I'd use mono instead and feed 2 or 4 speakers with the same signal. This is easily achieved. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Soulkeeper;660694 Wrote: Without a dedicated listening position, stereo is pointless IMO. I think I would place the speakers evenly, and perhaps try a LRLR configuration for even distribution of the sound. (And maybe experiment with LRRL for some semblance of stereo.) Switching the cables back and forth should be a breeze, so if you don't like it you can easily go back to the default(?) LLRR setup. In a space that's 80 feet by 25 feet I LRRL would give a reasonable stereo sound for those at the ends, but way too much right channel for those in the middle. And LLRR would do the opposite: fine in the middle and hugely unbalanced at the ends (all left at one end, all right at the other). I would definitely recommend LRLR over either LRRL or LLRR. Imagine 3 clumps of people spread out along the 80' length. The ones at either end would get more than a semblance of stereo, and those in the middle would more than a semblance of stereo with the channels reversed. And it would be fairly smooth transitions as one walked along the length. I have my kitchen speakers set up LRLR and it works well. I hadn't thought about mono, but that's definitely worth a try. -- aubuti Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). 'MSI single-core Atom mini-desktop' (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032) (Debian Lenny 5.0.6) feeding: Living room: SB Touch 'NAD C325 BEE' (http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier) 'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html); Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) 2 pair of 'Polk RC60i' (http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement: 'SB2' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'JVC JA-S44' (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813) 'ESS Tempest LS8' (http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/); Bedroom: Boom; Study: SB Radio; Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) 'AudioSource Amp100' (http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6) 'Polk Atrium 45' (http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's bedroom: 'SB3' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/) 'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0' (http://www.klipsch.com.cn/na-en/products/promedia-ultra-2-0-overview/); Roaming controllers: iPod touch with iPeng, 3 'SB Duet' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) Controllers, 'Nokia N800' (http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n800-r6); Limbo:one more 'SBR' (http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080124175538/http://www.slimdevices.com/) http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/ aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Without knowing the exact layout and way the space tends to be used( where people gravitate and so forth), it's all a guess. Is the goal even distribution across the whole span or are there some specific ares who's layout might support a stereo arrangement? Wiring for mono can work, or in fact you can buy outdoor mono speakers -- usually two tweeters, a single woofer and l/r inputs. If the speakers are to be mounted nearly 20 feet hIgh, a rough minimum of 14 ft from the nearest head but likely more as their out from a wall, you'll likely begin to lose a lot of separation anyway. -- rblnr rblnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
I use a Touch feeding an indoor amp, speaker wires running outside from it to a pair of N-E-A-R A8 outdoor speakers. I have a volume control in- inline that is in a weatherproof outdoor box, the type you might use to cover a power outlet. Whole system works perfectly, I use my iPhone or iPad for control. The NEARs are excellent outdoor speakers and have held up four years now in bad weather (incl the recent hurricane) w/o a problem. I've recently become a dealer for Paradigm -- so take this as you will -- but they make excellent outdoor speakers as well. -- rblnr rblnr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4504 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
I have decided to go with an amp and two sets of outdoor speakers, along with a volume control as suggested here. I'll have two left channels and two right channels. Should I space the speakers evenly along the wall or would it make more sense to put the lefts and rights closer to each other? -- Kyle Regards, Jim Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
I agree on the suggestion to use passive speakers. Normally I would also agree with the suggestion of an amp indoors along with a Duet Receiver or SB Touch, and I'd add a weatherproofed in-line volume control, for those times you need to drop the volume quickly and can't find the remote fast enough. But since you've thrown an iPod in as the music source I'm not sure what to say, esp in the Audiophile forum. Maybe an iPod dock and an amp that can be hauled in and out whenever tunes are needed? For outdoor passive speakers I have been happy with Polk Atrium 45. They are only about $100/pair, so with your budget and the amount of space you need to cover I would look higher in the Polk lineup. And be sure that your speaker cable is rated for outdoor use -- ordinary speaker cable isn't. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best option for an outdoor music system
Passive outdoor speakers require only one cable per speaker, and you won't have to think about electrical wiring outdoors. As the speakers are exposed to the elements (to some degree, at least), you want as little electronics in the speakers as possible. Put an amp or two inside and connect it to a Squeezebox Receiver or Touch. I can't give you any specific recommendations about makes and models, but I'm sure somebody else around here can. Controlling the volume in software with the Squeezebox will be sufficient for this setup, so you won't need a pre-amp. -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch (sans caps) + duet + boom + radio (portable) / dd-wrt on linksys wrt160n v3 / sbs 7.6.2 on w7(x86) with avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90459 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
