Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
slartibartfast wrote: > Does it really make a difference though? > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk depends on what you use, but for me unquestionably PiCorePlayer 6.1 on Allo Digi One Signaturewith (Lounge) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry Dig+ (Office) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry DAC+(Kitchen) Radio (Bedroom) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and USB DAC (Bedroom) Squeezelite=x (Garage) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) LMS 8 on DIY Unraid 6 Server (i5) Squeeze user since the SB1 markiii's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
I have a linear PSU to the Touch. Had one to the Quad DAC too, but the stock PSU is actually better, so changed back. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
markiii wrote: > first thing I'd do is add a linear PSU to the touchDoes it really make a > difference though? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
first thing I'd do is add a linear PSU to the touch PiCorePlayer 6.1 on Allo Digi One Signaturewith (Lounge) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry Dig+ (Office) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and hifiberry DAC+(Kitchen) Radio (Bedroom) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with pi official touchscreen and USB DAC (Bedroom) Squeezelite=x (Garage) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) PiCorePlayer 6.1 with hifiberry AMP+(Patio 2) LMS 8 on DIY Unraid 6 Server (i5) Squeeze user since the SB1 markiii's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
I have an SB Touch and ran it through a Quad Elite CDP, sold the CDP and used a Quad USB DAC (450ish) instead. I had the opportunity to borrow a SoTM streamer (500ish) and paired it with the Quad DAC. Listened and thought there was an improvement. Yesterday I decided to compare this setup to my SBT with its internal DAC. Adjusted the volume levels and synced them. I hear no difference in casual listening. :) I don't have golden ears but heard a difference when I recapped my power amp. So a ~1000 euro setup isn't any remarkable improvement on my 10 yo SBT. Remaining test is listening fatigue... Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > This is a wind-up, right? > You can't possibly think anyone will take you seriously when you start > wittering on about $200k tube amps. > Maybe you are just having a laugh and your sense of humour isn't coming > across. If not, I won't engage with you again. Well said @cliveB! I completely agree. There is so much rubbish about 'high end' audio gear. I have a pair of ATC 100 SCM 100s as well. They weren't cheap but in relative terms I consider them a bargain as they are the best speakers I have ever heard. I run them with a Logitech Transporter. I did add an external DAC. To my ears it sounds slightly better, but the Transporter's internal DAC is excellent and is testament to the brilliant overall design of the Transporter. I did audition a very expensive streamer ( Auralic Aries G2) I sent it back as i prefer my Transporter! The Hi Fi dealer told me I needed to spend 'at least £1,000' on a digital cable. He included USB in this. What a joke! I told him that he was a charlatan and would never deal with him again. I had to threaten court action to get my refund which I was legally entitled to having purchased online. I now avoid all 'Hi Fi' retailers. iwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
garym wrote: > According to his signature, something like these, active version: > ATC SCM100A > > http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm100-2/ I can confirm that. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cramcram wrote: > Which speakers did you buy? According to his signature, something like these, active version: ATC SCM100A http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/classic-series/scm100-2/ *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > > FWIW, I was cured of HiFi upgraditis once I bought a pair of speakers > that did everything I could ask of them and my system started playing > music instead of audio. Which speakers did you buy? cramcram's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
Stick to the SBT. Install the EDO plugin and test USB. With LMS 8.0.0 it beautifully integrates for instance Tidal with the local music library. You can even play random Tidal favourites, which is not even possible with Tidal itself... Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > This is a wind-up, right? > You can't possibly think anyone will take you seriously when you start > wittering on about $200k tube amps. > Maybe you are just having a laugh and your sense of humour isn't coming > across. If not, I won't engage with you again. I am not having a wind-up. But you can disagree - that's okay. We are very lucky we are spoilt for choice - and differences of opinion are exactly why we have such a vast selection of equipment to choose from. That's a good thing. Far more people have a mobile phone than high-end audio systems, yet in the former case the world can only support two operating systems. We are very lucky to have the choice. amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
amey01 wrote: > > If you have a pair of B 802D up front, and are driving them with a > little Schiit integrated and DAC, you're not going to have the same > sounding system as someone who has them with a Ypsilon SET100 or > Technical Brain TBP-Zero. (there's a couple of boutique amplifiers which > sound wonderful). This is a wind-up, right? You can't possibly think anyone will take you seriously when you start wittering on about $200k tube amps. Maybe you are just having a laugh and your sense of humour isn't coming across. If not, I won't engage with you again. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > When I mentioned "boutique" gear I was primarily thinking of > electronics. There are some weird and wonderful DACs and amplifiers out > there that cost a fortune and perform no better than mainstream stuff at > 1/10th the price. Maybe - but by the sound of your previous post: cliveb wrote: > pretty much all competently designed solid state electronics these days > has capabilities You've already made your mind up. I tend to disagree. Sure, changing amplifiers will not yield the same "in-your-face" difference a speaker might, but I challenge anyone to find a "cheap-amplified" system that sounds anywhere near what a competently designed systems sounds like (speakers being the same). If you have a pair of B 802D up front, and are driving them with a little Schiit integrated and DAC, you're not going to have the same sounding system as someone who has them with a Ypsilon SET100 or Technical Brain TBP-Zero. > I've only heard the Apogee and ESL57. Both sounded great in their own > way). The Quads are cool - they are about the best speakers I've heard (in one or two ways); and lacking in many others. But a very interesting "second-system" speaker. amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
amey01 wrote: > Where do I start? > It does depend on how small or high end you call boutique though. > To save an argument on competently designed electronics (your previous > post), Ill concentrate on speakers - is that okay? > Ive heard all these and they sound mind-snappingly good. > > 1. Sanders Sound (Innersound) 10c electrostatics > 2. Lansche Audio Corona > 3. Avantgarde Trio G1 > 4. Apogee Scintilla refurbished by Graz > 5. Quad ESL 57s in original condition (maybe not boutique back in the > day, but certainly are now) When I mentioned "boutique" gear I was primarily thinking of electronics. There are some weird and wonderful DACs and amplifiers out there that cost a fortune and perform no better than mainstream stuff at 1/10th the price. Speakers are a very personal thing. They all have their own character and will dominate the sound of a system. That's why I said in my original post that the only way to get any meaningful improvement is to change the speakers, and that it might cost a lot of money. (Then you pointed out that room treatment is another avenue to explore, and of course you are correct). The point I was trying to make is that changing electronics these days isn't going to achieve anything of significance. (As for the speakers you mention, I've only heard the Apogee and ESL57. Both sounded great in their own way). Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > > > > I'm having a hard time thinking of any boutique gear that performs well > and is value for money. Any suggestions? Where do I start? It does depend on how small or high end you call boutique though. To save an argument on competently designed electronics (your previous post), Ill concentrate on speakers - is that okay? Ive heard all these and they sound mind-snappingly good. 1. Sanders Sound (Innersound) 10c electrostatics 2. Lansche Audio Corona 3. Avantgarde Trio G1 4. Apogee Scintilla refurbished by Graz 5. Quad ESL 57s in original condition amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
amey01 wrote: > > And better again - will be spending some effort on the room. Treatment > and placement as two key areas that affect performance more than > anything else. (but of course that takes time, effort, research and > knowledge - it is by no means as easy as handing someone some of your > $$$ and walking off with a grin). > Agreed - room treatments can yield good results. amey01 wrote: > > Hi-fi shops can (that's -can-, not "do") give invaluable advice. And > boutique gear can be absolutely fantastic! I'm having a hard time thinking of any boutique gear that performs well and is value for money. Any suggestions? Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > > FWIW, I was cured of HiFi upgraditis once I bought a pair of speakers > that did everything I could ask of them and my system started playing > music instead of audio. No one is cured of it. -*If you're happy with your system, don't listen to something better. *- You obviously haven't heard anything better yet. When you do, you'll commence your journey on the slippery slope once more. amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > FWIW, I was cured of HiFi upgraditis once I bought a pair of speakers > that did everything I could ask of them and my system started playing > music instead of audio. Amen. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
cliveb wrote: > Is your friend actually dissatisfied with the sound he's getting? Or is > this another case of upgraditis - wondering if improvements can be > made? > > If he genuinely wants better sound: > 1. Stop talking to HiFi dealers, especially high-end ones who sell > boutique gear. > 2. In terms of raw sound quality, pretty much all competently designed > solid state electronics these days has capabilities that exceed the > limits of human hearing. Streamers, DACs, amplifiers, they are all > pretty much commodity items. (NB. I'm not including operational > functionality here; obviously different systems behave in their own > ways. And of course some devices just look & feel nice, which is a > perfectly acceptable reason to prefer one over another). > 3. The B CM9's are good speakers, for sure, but they are hardly state > of the art. Genuine improvements will come from getting better speakers. > It might cost a lot of money, but you have to face reality. Changing > electronics is cheaper, but achieves virtually nothing. > > FWIW, I was cured of HiFi upgraditis once I bought a pair of speakers > that did everything I could ask of them and my system started playing > music instead of audio. Are you mad? Quite clearly he needs to replace his cables! Seriously RPi USB out to a well made DAC works perfectly. I have my latest RPi4 pCP build using USB out to a Khalas Tone Board (both in WAF cases) and it sounds very nice. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
Is your friend actually dissatisfied with the sound he's getting? Or is this another case of upgraditis - wondering if improvements can be made? If he genuinely wants better sound: 1. Stop talking to HiFi dealers, especially high-end ones who sell boutique gear. 2. In terms of raw sound quality, pretty much all competently designed solid state electronics these days has capabilities that exceed the limits of human hearing. Streamers, DACs, amplifiers, they are all pretty much commodity items. (NB. I'm not including operational functionality here; obviously different systems behave in their own ways. And of course some devices just look & feel nice, which is a perfectly acceptable reason to prefer one over another). 3. The B CM9's are good speakers, for sure, but they are hardly state of the art. Genuine improvements will come from getting better speakers. It might cost a lot of money, but you have to face reality. Changing electronics is cheaper, but achieves virtually nothing. FWIW, I was cured of HiFi upgraditis once I bought a pair of speakers that did everything I could ask of them and my system started playing music instead of audio. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Very sorry - not sure I get that 2nd solution: so you would have a Pi > with Squeezelite (e.g. picoreplayer - correct?). But how do you connect > the pi to the DAC? USB to USB? No hat? > For streaming service, he is using Qobuz via LMS. Yes, as others have replied, rpi usb out > dac usb in. The important bit is "see if it works" It's just to test the theory, the same with the SBTouch EDO applet, it is not guaranteed to work with every dac. It is pefectly possible to run the rpi as both player and server, but I feel an independent LMS means one less thing I can f*bar :(:):rolleyes: ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Very sorry - not sure I get that 2nd solution: so you would have a Pi > with Squeezelite (e.g. picoreplayer - correct?). But how do you connect > the pi to the DAC? USB to USB? No hat? > For streaming service, he is using Qobuz via LMS.piCorePlayer is probably the > easiest particularly if he is already using it. Alternatively follow this guide for Raspbian. http://www.gerrelt.nl/RaspberryPi/wordpress/tutorial-installing-squeezelite-player-on-raspbian/ Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Very sorry - not sure I get that 2nd solution: so you would have a Pi > with Squeezelite (e.g. picoreplayer - correct?). But how do you connect > the pi to the DAC? USB to USB? No hat? > For streaming service, he is using Qobuz via LMS. yes, rPi4B with piCorePlayer installed. Connect USB out of rPi to USB input to DAC. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
Man in a van wrote: > > > 2) Install Squeezelite on the rpi4b server and connect via the USB to > the Teac, see if it works. > > Very sorry - not sure I get that 2nd solution: so you would have a Pi with Squeezelite (e.g. picoreplayer - correct?). But how do you connect the pi to the DAC? USB to USB? No hat? For streaming service, he is using Qobuz via LMS. Transporter, Touch, SB3, SB2, Duet, Booms, Radios --- Ipeng & Material --- LMS 8.0.0 - 1588799628 on Pi4 4GB - Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
This is my take; as an owner of one of the original CuBox-i from Innuos Innuos Zen = expensive LMS player with additional (useful) facilities. It also has the potential to expand the system with an expensive power supply and an expensive USB cleaner. The Zen is pretty much a closed system, any updates are by Innuos (and can lag a version behind). When I queried this (it was a few years ago) I was told that if I updated LMS myself that I would loose any support. I don't know if this is still the case, but I do read, every now and then, of purchasers of early Zen models, struggling to get support. If your friend wants to experiment (nearly always a good thing :)), this is my suggestion. 1) Install the EDO applet on the SBTouch, connect via co-ax or usb to the Teac and see if it works. 2) Install Squeezelite on the rpi4b server and connect via the USB to the Teac, see if it works. If it works, consider the following. Buying another rpi 4b and installing only Squeezelite. Connect the new pi to the dac and control it with either the Touch or an appropiate app. This will involve a little learing and also give a little comprehension of how the system works. If your friend wants to explore streaming services, they all offer free trials. Roon also offer free trials and the rpi can be configured as an endpoint. DSD sample files are available on the internet for trialling purposes. Don't rush things, "softly, softly" This should all take your friend a good few months, by which time, the next "best thing" will be on the market.:) And when he is happy with what he has, then is the time for a home demo :p ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
I'll echo what the others have said. The dealer has obviously seen the easiest opportunity to extract more money. In actual fact, the Squeezebox is superior because it is an open and upgradable system. The last thing anyone wants is to be stuck with some overpriced audio-jewellery and find the company has discontinued the product, or gone broke. The only thing I'll enhance on - it -may- be superior to use USB connection, because that allows for asynchronous transfer. In reality, the difference should be negligable because any halfway decent DAC has buffering/reclocking and error correction - but regardless, you -could??- argue that USB is superior. The Touch can do that with EDO, or you can use PiCorePlayer, which would really be the ultimate insult to the snobby dealer :) amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
Redrum wrote: > is this in regard to my comment? If so, I was just saying where money is > better spent (IMO). I think the previous comments made a good case for > disregarding what any "upgrade" in the streamer source would provide. I > was agreeing, but might not have made that clear, sorry. > > Jim No worries, I thought that's what you meant, but was just clarifying. thanks. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Hi Audiophile chaps, > > A couple of months ago, I have converted an audiophile friend of mine to > Squeezebox. > > He has the following equipment: > > - AMP: YBA ligne2 Alpha high current > - Speakers: B CM9 > - DAC: TEAC UD 501 > - expensive cables :-) > - LMS on Pi4 wired on Network > - SB Touch on Wifi that is connected to the DAC via Coax. > > Recently he has contacted a high-end Hifi shop to ask what he should be > upgrading in order to have an even better sound quality. The owner was > clear: for him the weakest point from his set up was LMS and the Touch. > > > For him, a good streamer would bring a huge quality improvement even if > connected digitally to an external DAC. > > He told him to either buy a Bluesound Node 2i (with or without the Teac > DAC) or move to an Innuos Zen Mini mk3 (with LMS or Roon) that could be > equipped with an external powersupply. > > Is the dealer the same one who sold him those "expensive cables"? Just curious... Living Room: Pi3 w/Allo Digione Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.0 and SqueezeLite Pioneer Elite VSX 80, Parasound 2125 v2 KEF LS50's, Paradigm SE Center, SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer, Paradigm Atom v.5 Surrounds Harmony Smart Control w/Hub and iPeng Dining Room: KEF Q100's Bedroom: Logitech Boom Porch: Boston Acoustics Voyager Metro II Router: Netgear R700P File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD Music Service: Qobuz Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
garym wrote: > But hes planning on using the same DAC. Just a different streamer than > the touch. He is not using the DAC in the touch. is this in regard to my comment? If so, I was just saying where money is better spent (IMO). I think the previous comments made a good case for disregarding what any "upgrade" in the streamer source would provide. I was agreeing, but might not have made that clear, sorry. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
But hes planning on using the same DAC. Just a different streamer than the touch. He is not using the DAC in the touch. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
I'm a on a budget audiophile with aging ears, but I have always believed in putting your money in what you hear (speakers, headphones), and anything else that creates the analog signal (turntable, DAC), and allot of the rest comes down to supporting those components (enough power), and minimizing what is added (noise, distortion, color, etc) My main system is a touch into an oppo BDP105D (nice DA section, a $600 upgrade over the 103), I also have a second system with a touch into a Schitt Bifrost D/A (about $600 USD). I have done an A/B of both systems with the DAC's vs touch doing the DAC, and in my aging ears, the difference is significant. The Oppo and Schitt comparison - I couldn't tell. So, I am +1 on the DAC, or those speakers you have been admiring :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Ahahaha. Audiophools, I like that! :-) Thanks guys! You've just > confirmed what I thought. > > I started doubting when I saw that there was that EDO addon for the > Touch and therefore was wondering if "transport" could be potentially > improved. > > on his side I think that he is quite happy with the sound quality so > far, but as he is seeing and hearing comments about expensive streamers > out there, I think he was starting to doubt about his current streaming > setup.I think a lot of expensive streamers are just a raspberry Pi in a fancy box. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Ahahaha. Audiophools, I like that! :-) Thanks guys! You've just > confirmed what I thought. > > I started doubting when I saw that there was that EDO addon for the > Touch and therefore was wondering if "transport" could be potentially > improved. > > on his side I think that he is quite happy with the sound quality so > far, but as he is seeing and hearing comments about expensive streamers > out there, I think he was starting to doubt about his current streaming > setup. No matter what he buys, and how expensive, there will be other, more expensive and *supposedly* night and day better streamers/DACs that he will want. Audiophoolery is an almost incurable disease. And an expensive one. p.s. I'm not an EDO user or that knowledgeable about it. But one of its main uses was to allow one to feed a DAC via the USB out of the TOUCH. And a secondary benefit was to allow for 24/192 playback. But neither of these things necessarily change the sound quality. Some people just had DACs with only USB input they wanted to use. And I'd be shocked if anyone could tell the difference in a double-blind test between 24/192 file playback with EDO vs 24/192 file playback using LMS's automatic downsampling that is applied to play 24/192 files. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
Ahahaha. Audiophools, I like that! :-) Thanks guys! You've just confirmed what I thought. I started doubting when I saw that there was that EDO addon for the Touch and therefore was wondering if "transport" could be potentially improved. on his side I think that he is quite happy with the sound quality so far, but as he is seeing and hearing comments about expensive streamers out there, I think he was starting to doubt about his current streaming setup. Transporter, Touch, SB3, SB2, Duet, Booms, Radios --- Ipeng & Material --- LMS 8.0.0 - 1588799628 on Pi4 4GB - Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
tw99 wrote: > As with other replies, the advice is to ignore the shop, the guy is > talking nonsense. The hard part is probably getting your friend to > believe this as there's so much repetition of this sort of rubbish out > there (review websites, youtube, most audio forums). Yes, that's the sad part. Lots of "fake news". Tell your friend to read archimago's blog carefully and forums at "hydrogenaudi.o". This will keep him grounded and away from all the audiophools. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > > > > Recently he has contacted a high-end Hifi shop to ask what he should be > upgrading in order to have an even better sound quality. The owner was > clear: for him the weakest point from his set up was LMS and the Touch. > > > For him, a good streamer would bring a huge quality improvement even if > connected digitally to an external DAC. > > He told him to either buy a Bluesound Node 2i (with or without the Teac > DAC) or move to an Innuos Zen Mini mk3 (with LMS or Roon) that could be > equipped with an external powersupply. > > > I am not sure I understand why LMS/Touch connected to a DAC or any other > solutions to the same DAC could be better: at the end of the day, that's > the DAC who will do the job, isn't it? > > Any recommendation I could give to my friend? > As with other replies, the advice is to ignore the shop, the guy is talking nonsense. The hard part is probably getting your friend to believe this as there's so much repetition of this sort of rubbish out there (review websites, youtube, most audio forums). tw99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51684 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
slartibartfast wrote: > I think the audio dealer knows very little about Squeezebox but just > happens to sell the items he recommended. Yep, follow the money. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
didjean wrote: > Hi Audiophile chaps, > > A couple of months ago, I have converted an audiophile friend of mine to > Squeezebox. > > He has the following equipment: > > - AMP: YBA ligne2 Alpha high current > - Speakers: B CM9 > - DAC: TEAC UD 501 > - expensive cables :-) > - LMS on Pi4 wired on Network > - SB Touch on Wifi that is connected to the DAC via Coax. > > Recently he has contacted a high-end Hifi shop to ask what he should be > upgrading in order to have an even better sound quality. The owner was > clear: for him the weakest point from his set up was LMS and the Touch. > > For him, a good streamer would bring a huge quality improvement even if > connected digitally to an external DAC. > > He told him to either buy a Bluesound Node 2i (with or without the Teac > DAC) or move to an Innuos Zen Mini mk3 (with LMS or Roon) that could be > equipped with an external powersupply. > > > I am not sure I understand why LMS/Touch connected to a DAC or any other > solutions to the same DAC could be better: at the end of the day, that's > the DAC who will do the job, isn't it? > > Any recommendation I could give to my friend? > > Cheers! I think the audio dealer knows very little about Squeezebox but just happens to sell the items he recommended. The TEAC has a USB input so he could try that with the EDO add on for the Touch. Why is he dissatisfied with the sound? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BlueSound or Innuos better than a Touch?
He needs to change audio dealers! The possibility of better sound quality with the Touch feeding the DAC vs any of the recommended units is essentially zero. But of course you'll likely receive lots of posts arguing the opposite. That's the nature of audiophile discussions. Someone will eventually tell you that he really needs an expense "audiophile" ethernet switch and a few $3,000 ethernet connect cables. Your friend should read some at Archimago's blog. Here's one relevant post: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/06/measurements-do-bit-perfect-digital.html *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet except Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113335 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
