Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

This Maria Silveira, considering the time period ?



Maria

 Silveira
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   - Nascida a 25 de Dezembro de 1755
   - Falecida a 31 de Outubro de 1822
   - Com a idade de 66 anos

Pais

   - Pedro Silveira
   

*+1797*
   - Bárbara Silveira
   

*+1790*

Casamentos e filhos

   - Casada *a 8 de Janeiro de 1791* com António Silveira Carauta
   

*+1802*, tiveram
  - José ?
  

   *1791*
  - Manuel Silveira Machado
  

   *1793-1832*
  - Maria Josefa
  

   *+1873*
   - Casada com Manuel Silveira Costa
   

*+1822*, tiveram
  - Ana Josefa
  

   *1774-1814*
  - Maria ?
  

   *1775-1776*
  - Maria Silveira
  

   *1776*
  - Bárbara ?
  

   *1779*
  - Isabel Jacinta
  

   *1781-1852*
   - Casada *a 5 de Agosto de 1801* com Manuel Silveira Costa
   

*+1804*
   -


On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  wrote:

> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>
> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>
> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>
> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>
> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's
> name...looks like Rozia da ]
> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
> 
> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>
> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>
> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>
> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>
> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>
> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great
> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>
> Thank you for any help!
>
> Evee Silva Kiler
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

You can see the parents again in this baptism record with the Homem surname
attached

Eris Edgar
Manuel Silveira

 Carauta
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   - Falecido a 29 de Setembro de 1777

Casamentos e filhos

   - Casado com Maria Encarnação
   

*+1773*, tiveram
  - Domingos Homem
  

   *1735-1803*
  - Francisco Ramalho
  

   *1738-1815*
  - Manuel ?
  

   *1741-1742*
  - Grácia ?
  

   *1743-1743*
  - Manuel ?
  

   *1745-1745*
  - Grácia Maria
  

   *1746*
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:49 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> I see foram padrinhos
>
>  Bartolomeu Homen marido con Rosia Silveira e Rosa de Conceicao mulher de
> Sargento Baltazar Vieira
>
> I don't see these couples in Ribeiras or Lajes records .
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say
>> da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.
>>
>> Linda got the wife correct.
>>
>> I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if
>> this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).
>>
>> Linda has the rest correct.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Morisson name in Azores, late 18th/early 19th c.

[linda]

hi all,

Can anyone provide information on this name/family?

Luis Antonio da Costa Morisson signed as a witness to the marriage of one 
of my 4xGGP's on Terceira in 1813, and I'm very curious as to what the 
connection could possibly have been.

I know there were English and American merchants and their families in the 
islands during this period, but the references I've checked (Familias 
Faialenses and the book by Francis M. Rogers) don't include the name.  If 
anyone can suggest other potential leads, I'd appreciate it too.

Here is the record, in case any one is curious to see it:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1813-1828_item1/P4.html

right side (Antonio Machado Fagundes and Victoria Angelica)

The marriage took place in Santa Barbara, where much of my family was 
situated.  All three of the witnesses were from Angra and do not appear to 
be relatives-- all unusual for the time and place in what I've seen in the 
other marriage records for my family there.  

thanks in advance for any help with this little mystery,

Linda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

I see foram padrinhos

 Bartolomeu Homen marido con Rosia Silveira e Rosa de Conceicao mulher de
Sargento Baltazar Vieira

I don't see these couples in Ribeiras or Lajes records .

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say
> da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.
>
> Linda got the wife correct.
>
> I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if
> this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).
>
> Linda has the rest correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

I have found while  researching my  Ribeiras families, that many records
are filed in Lajes. My Silveira Soares family there lived in Terras,
between the two churches.

A marriage record may be found in Lajes , but baptisms in Ribeiras, then
obito in Lajes for the same person

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:52 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Manuel, filho de Manuel Silveira Carauta e Maria da Encarnacion
>
> baptised 25 Julho 1741
>
> he died 24 Janeiro 1742
>
> by cross referencing the UMinho site
>
>
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, linda  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Evee,
>>
>> Here's a stab at it.
>>
>> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa
>> though it could be da Costa.
>>
>> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>>
>> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after
>> Ribeirinhas.
>>
>> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura =
>> curate
>>
>> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?)
>> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to
>> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>>
>> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen
>> that before and have no idea what it means.
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>>
>>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>>
>>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>>
>>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
>>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>>
>>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>>
>>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the
>>> mother's name...looks like Rozia da ]
>>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
>>> 
>>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
>>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
>>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>>>
>>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
>>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>>
>>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>>
>>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
>>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>>
>>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
>>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
>>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd
>>> great grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help!
>>>
>>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is Adriano a Portuguese first name?

[IslandRoutes]

Linda, Nancy Jean, mnk, and Angela
Thank you for your responses on the name Adriano.  Now I can go back to the 
Hawaiian records to see if I can find the name in some sort of variant 
form.  It is probably misspelled in some way that I haven't uncovered yet.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Cheri Mello]

I'm not sure of the 2nd surname of Manuel Silveira ___. I want to say
da Costa, but with his other de,do,da stuff - well it looks a bit off to me.

Linda got the wife correct.

I think I'm reading Pontas Negros at the end of line 3. I don't know if
this is a street or neighborhood in Ribeiras (I don't research Pico).

Linda has the rest correct.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[luiznoia .]

Manuel, filho de Manuel Silveira Carauta e Maria da Encarnacion

baptised 25 Julho 1741

he died 24 Janeiro 1742

by cross referencing the UMinho site

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Ribeiras;lang=pt;i=905;oc=127



Eric Edgar





On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 6:53 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Evee,
>
> Here's a stab at it.
>
> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa
> though it could be da Costa.
>
> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>
> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after
> Ribeirinhas.
>
> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura =
> curate
>
> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?)
> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to
> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>
> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen
> that before and have no idea what it means.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>
>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>
>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>
>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the
>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>
>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>
>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's
>> name...looks like Rozia da ]
>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras
>> 
>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't
>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten
>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.
>>
>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da
>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>
>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>
>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the
>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>
>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any
>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate"
>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>
>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great
>> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>
>> Thank you for any help!
>>
>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Ângela Loura]

Yes, there is a Santa Barbara in Santa Maria

2015-11-01 23:07 GMT+00:00 "E" Sharp :

> Celeste,
>
> I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's
> manifest and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa
> Maria(Country).  Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
>
> "E"
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
>> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rosemarie!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I
>>> tis very hard to read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Muito Obrigado,
>>>
>>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>>
>>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>>
>>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
>>> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
>>> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
>>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
>>> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
>>> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
>>> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
>>> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
>>> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
>>> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
>>> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
>>> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
>>> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
>>> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
>>> come to light soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the
>>> birth of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call
>>> her the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources
>>> on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
>>> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
>>> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
>>> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
>>> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
>>> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
>>> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
>>> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
>>> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
>>> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
>>> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
>>> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
>>> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
>>> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5
>>> years old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time
>>> of his death.  Found nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
>>> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
>>> the daughter of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her
>>> grandparents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them
>>> out.  Then I thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages
>>> surrounding Lomba da Santa Barbara when she was born and was baptized in a
>>> village that was near Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I looked at all 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Evee Silva Kiler]

Thank you, Linda...that helps.  I, too, want that word to be Lorenzo...but 
the first letter is like the other "S" in the record.  

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 7:53:26 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Evee,
>
> Here's a stab at it.  
>
> I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa 
> though it could be da Costa. 
>
> The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)
>
> I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after 
> Ribeirinhas.
>
> I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura = 
> curate
>
> Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?) 
> Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to 
> turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.
>
> The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen 
> that before and have no idea what it means.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>>
>> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>>
>> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>>
>> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the 
>> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>>
>> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>>
>> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's 
>> name...looks like Rozia da ]
>> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras 
>> 
>> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't 
>> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten 
>> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.  
>>
>> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da 
>> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>>
>> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>>
>> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the 
>> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>>
>> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any 
>> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate" 
>> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>>
>> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great 
>> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>>
>> Thank you for any help!  
>>
>> Evee Silva Kiler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[linda]

Hi Evee,

Here's a stab at it.  

I can't read the father's second surname, but I don't think it's Costa 
though it could be da Costa. 

The mother's name looks like Maria da Encarnacao (Maria do En CarnaCam)

I read the date the same as you do.   I can't make out what it says after 
Ribeirinhas.

I see "foi baptizado por mim o Cura desta Igza"  Igza = igresia,  Cura = 
curate

Godmother is Roza da ConCeiCam (Rosa da Conceicao) m.er do Sargento (?) 
Balthazar  Vieyra.  I don't know if it is "sargento"; my brain wants to 
turn it into Lorenzo, but letter by letter, sargento seems to fit better.

The margin note is Latin and means "(he/it) has it not"  I've never seen 
that before and have no idea what it means.

best wishes,

Linda

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 1:02:01 PM UTC-8, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:
>
> I need some help with the following baptism record:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html
>
> Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.
>
> I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the 
> same for most people in this book of baptisms.
>
> This is what I think I see in the baptism record:
>
> Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's 
> name...looks like Rozia da ]
> residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras 
> 
> born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't 
> understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten 
> and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.  
>
> For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da 
> [??] wife of So??? Balthazar
>
> I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.
>
> Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the 
> writing with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???
>
> What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any 
> information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate" 
> language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.
>
> I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great 
> grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.
>
> Thank you for any help!  
>
> Evee Silva Kiler
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you, Denis, for explaining that there is a Santa Barbara in Santa Maria.  
I do not think the person Elaine found in that search is my elusive Maria 
Cristo.  Actually, the village where her family lived in Sao Miguel was called 
Lomba da Santa Barbara during the time they lived there.Celeste Celeste Perry 
ccgran...@yahoo.com 


 On Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:13 PM, Denis Meals  wrote:
   

 "E": In reply to your question, "Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in 
Santa Maria?" Yes, there certainly is such a place.  Santa Bárbara is one 
of the 5 Parishes of Santa Maria, as well as being a community within the 
parish.  Of course, as others have indicated, other islands also share the 
name, Santa Bárbara.Denis



On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

Celeste,
I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's manifest and 
it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa Maria(Country).  Is there 
such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
"E"
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years ago! 
Hope it's easier for you to read. 

Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
 wrote:

Hi Rosemarie! Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another 
format. I tis very hard to read.  Muito Obrigado,Eliseu Pacheco da SilvaAzores 
(S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland 
(Alentejo)(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)   De: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Rosemarie 
Capodicci
Enviada: 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, 
Sao Miguel, Azores Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in 
the Azores (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA 
before her marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my 
greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage so 
she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.  
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 
2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been looking 
for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!) I hope that 
someone out there has her in their database and is wondering where she came 
from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware, if you have been 
watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth mother's family just this 
week! So, continue and hope that the info will come to light soon.  
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 
1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:
  It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth of 
my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her the, 
“elusive Maria Cristo.” I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were 
limited resources on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found 
living in Rhode Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back 
in time until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some 
since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before 
Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect 
information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed 
Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords. In 2007, I visited Lomba 
da Santa Barbara and found that all the church records I needed were in the 
archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I spent a week going through the church 
records looking for my “elusive Maria Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had 
names that were not very common so the task was easier than it may have been.  
Joao de Morais (several spellings) and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of 
spellings) were not as hard as some names to pick out in the records.  I found 
Maria Cristo had several siblings and I recorded all of them.   I had been told 
by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years old when her father 
died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of his death.  Found nothing. 
In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been raised 
by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was the daughter 
of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her grandparents.   I 
found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.  Then I 
thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages surround

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

["E" Sharp]

Celeste, I am going to try and send to your personal email addy the actual
ship record on Ancestry.  It will come in 2 pages.

"E"

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 4:46 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Elaine, the information I received from Maria Cristo's brother's
> great-grandson, Dickie,  was that he had found her arriving in Boston on
> the Credic.  At that time, I did not look at the actual passenger list.  I
> don't have any information that puts her or any of the family on the island
> of Santa Maria.
>
> Eliseu, I can't be sure that Maria Cristo was baptized "on the spot"
> before she married.  I did look at her marriage to Filipe Perreira da Silva
> (or several other surnames they used over the years of their marriage;
> Perreira, da Silva, Silva, Perry).  He is buried here in Hayward, CA
> as Fillip da Silva.  His gather is also buried in the same cemetery;
> surname, Perry, as is his brother.  So, surnames also vary.
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp" 
> wrote:
>
>
> Celeste,
>
> I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's
> manifest and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa
> Maria(Country).  Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
>
> "E"
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Rosemarie!
>
> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I tis
> very hard to read.
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>
> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
> come to light soon.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth
> of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her
> the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>
> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources on
> line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>
> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>
> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Elaine, the information I received from Maria Cristo's brother's 
great-grandson, Dickie,  was that he had found her arriving in Boston on the 
Credic.  At that time, I did not look at the actual passenger list.  I don't 
have any information that puts her or any of the family on the island of Santa 
Maria.
Eliseu, I can't be sure that Maria Cristo was baptized "on the spot" before she 
married.  I did look at her marriage to Filipe Perreira da Silva (or several 
other surnames they used over the years of their marriage; Perreira, da Silva, 
Silva, Perry).  He is buried here in Hayward, CA as Fillip da Silva.  His 
gather is also buried in the same cemetery; surname, Perry, as is his brother.  
So, surnames also vary. Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com 


 On Sunday, November 1, 2015 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp"  
wrote:
   

 Celeste,
I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's manifest and 
it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa Maria(Country).  Is there 
such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
"E"
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years ago! 
Hope it's easier for you to read. 

Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
 wrote:

Hi Rosemarie! Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another 
format. I tis very hard to read.  Muito Obrigado,Eliseu Pacheco da SilvaAzores 
(S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland 
(Alentejo)(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)   De: 
azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Rosemarie 
Capodicci
Enviada: 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, 
Sao Miguel, Azores Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in 
the Azores (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA 
before her marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my 
greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage so 
she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.  
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 
2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been looking 
for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!) I hope that 
someone out there has her in their database and is wondering where she came 
from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware, if you have been 
watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth mother's family just this 
week! So, continue and hope that the info will come to light soon.  
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 
1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy  wrote:
  It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth of 
my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her the, 
“elusive Maria Cristo.” I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were 
limited resources on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found 
living in Rhode Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back 
in time until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some 
since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before 
Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect 
information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed 
Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords. In 2007, I visited Lomba 
da Santa Barbara and found that all the church records I needed were in the 
archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I spent a week going through the church 
records looking for my “elusive Maria Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had 
names that were not very common so the task was easier than it may have been.  
Joao de Morais (several spellings) and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of 
spellings) were not as hard as some names to pick out in the records.  I found 
Maria Cristo had several siblings and I recorded all of them.   I had been told 
by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years old when her father 
died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of his death.  Found nothing. 
In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been raised 
by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was the daughter 
of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her grandparents.   I 
found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.  Then I 
thought the family may have b

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Denis Meals]

"E": In reply to your question, "Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in
Santa Maria?" Yes, there certainly is such a place.  Santa Bárbara is
one of the 5 Parishes of Santa Maria, as well as being a community within
the parish.  Of course, as others have indicated, other islands also share
the name, Santa Bárbara.
Denis



On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Celeste,
>
> I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's
> manifest and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa
> Maria(Country).  Is there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?
>
> "E"
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
>> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
>> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rosemarie!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I
>>> tis very hard to read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Muito Obrigado,
>>>
>>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>>
>>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>>
>>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
>>> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
>>> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
>>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
>>> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
>>> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
>>> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
>>> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
>>> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
>>> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
>>> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
>>> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
>>> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
>>> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
>>> come to light soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>>
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the
>>> birth of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call
>>> her the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources
>>> on line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
>>> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
>>> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
>>> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
>>> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
>>> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
>>> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
>>> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
>>> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
>>> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
>>> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
>>> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
>>> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
>>> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5
>>> years old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time
>>> of his death.  Found nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
>>> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
>>> the daughter of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her
>>> grandparents.
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

["E" Sharp]

Celeste,

I don't know if this makes a difference but I looked up the ship's manifest
and it says she was born in Santa Barbara (City), Santa Maria(Country).  Is
there such a place as Santa Barbara in Santa Maria?

"E"

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
> ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rosemarie!
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I
>> tis very hard to read.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Muito Obrigado,
>>
>> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>>
>> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>>
>> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
>> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
>> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
>> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
>> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>>
>>
>>
>> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
>> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
>> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
>> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
>> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
>> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
>> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
>> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
>> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
>> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
>> come to light soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth
>> of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her
>> the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>>
>>
>>
>> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources on
>> line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
>> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
>> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
>> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
>> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
>> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
>> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
>> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
>> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
>> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
>> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
>> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
>> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
>> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years
>> old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of
>> his death.  Found nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
>> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
>> the daughter of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her
>> grandparents.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.
>> Then I thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages
>> surrounding Lomba da Santa Barbara when she was born and was baptized in a
>> village that was near Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I looked at all the villages
>> that abutted Lomba da Santa Barbara and could find neither a Maria born to
>> her parents or to them listed as grandparents to a Maria.
>>
>>
>>
>> So….I left Sao Miguel with the mystery unsolved.  As I worked more and
>> more o

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[João Ventura]

Hi David,

Sorry for not replying before, but I wanted to check the CCA records before 
doing so. I confirm my belief that this Florencia daughter of Maria de 
Fraga Nunes is the same single mother Florencia that is your ancestor and 
my wife's. Can you check if you match my wife in FTDNA (her name is 
Alexandra Ribeiro)?

As to the clues regarding the identity of the father, I'm not into 
200-year-old speculative history to be honest. Yes, the fact that her male 
children are all named 'José de Avelar' seems strange but it could be the 
father or someone that was kind to them for some other reason. However, 
looking at the fact that this was a single mother, daugther of another 
single mother, well... let's just say that her reputation might not have 
been the best.

Did you manage to track more of this family records?

João Ventura

On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 23:58:01 UTC+2, Kawika322 wrote:
>
> Hi João, 
>
> Thank you for all of the info as well. It is interesting how this family 
> line produced several connections. I also have a Family Finder match who is 
> descended from Maria Coelho (sister of Pedro Jose de Avelar (my direct 
> ancestor), and of Faustino Jose de Avelar. 
>
> I was thinking, there has to be a connection with the name surname Avelar 
> that give a clue as to who the father of Pedro Jose, Faustino Jose, Monica 
> Coelho and Maria de Jesus are. Their mother, Florencia Rosa, doesn't seem 
> to be connected with the Avelar surname, so it is probably from the father. 
> There are a couple individuals who may be the father from the town, but 
> obviously I couldn't say for sure. 
>
> In terms of tracking down Florencia, hopefully I will be able to find her 
> death record, as well as the death record of her mother Maria Coelho a.k.a. 
> Maria de Fraga Nunes. Would you guess that Maria de Fraga Nunes also came 
> over from Corvo to Flores?
>
> David
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> This is all amazing information. Thanks a lot! You're related to wife as 
>> you can see in this relationship diagram from her to Florencia Rosa:
>>
>>
>> http://venturas.org/familytree/relationship.php?ged=venturas&pid1=I5&pid2=I152
>>
>> This is all I know about her (and her children):
>>
>> http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F60&ged=venturas
>>
>> In this case I think that Maria de Fraga Nunes is also Maria Coelho. 
>> Women didn't really have surnames at the time, and they basically had their 
>> parents surnames or a religious one. 
>>
>> Such a lousy time for the CCA site to be offline..
>>
>> João C. Ventura
>> http://tombo.pt/en
>>
>> On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 00:38:58 UTC+2, Kawika322 wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, 
>>>
>>> I found the death record for Maria de Jesus - one of the other children 
>>> of Florencia. It states that Florencia was a native of Corvo. Top right, 
>>> No. 12
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870_item1/P83.html
>>>
>>> I have look through quite a few records and yet to find death record of 
>>> Florencia, however I looked for her baptismal record (in Corvo) and the 
>>> only thing I could find was this record: Left side, top record. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779_item1/P121.html
>>>
>>> The mother is listed as Maria de Fraga Nunes, and in the other records 
>>> of Florencia's children, the mother of Florencia is listed as Maria Coelho, 
>>> so I am not sure if this is the right one. However, it seems from looking 
>>> through all the records, this is the only Florencia born on Corvo during 
>>> the appropriate time frame to a single mother, so it very well could be the 
>>> right one. 
>>>
>>> If you could let me know what you think it would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>>
>>>  David
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:




 Here's a Santa Cruz, Flores marriage record of a Monica  :


 João Pimentel Canhoto [f.º de Manuel Pimentel Canhoto e de Inácia
 Rosa] c. 1816.08.12 c. Mónica Coelho [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das
 Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência Rosa].


 *If it's the same as in the baptism record, she'd be 20 yrs old*


 Here's Pedro Jose de Avelar's marriage record from  Lajes das Flores:

 Pedro José de Avelar [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de
 pai incógnito e de Florência Maria] c. 1813.02.18 c. Úrsula Joaquina 
 [f.ª
 de pai incógnito e de Isabel Maria].

 *If it was the same Pedro in the baptism record, he would be 20 years 
 old*



 Here are marriage records of children  of Florencia a single woman from 
 Ponta Delgada, Flores

 Faustino José de Avelar [f.º de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher

[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel-son of Manuel Silveira of Ribeiras Pico Azores b. 25 Jul 1741

[Evee Silva Kiler]

I need some help with the following baptism record:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1732-1749_item1/P74.html

Manuel is the first complete baptism record on the page at the right.

I don't know what the note in the left margin means.  It seems to be the 
same for most people in this book of baptisms.

This is what I think I see in the baptism record:

Manuel, son of Manuel Silveira Costa???[I can't read the mother's 
name...looks like Rozia da ]
residents of this freguesia parish of Santa Barbara Ribeiras 

born 25th day of the month of July 1741 ??? baptism by me  [I don't 
understand the abbreviation for his "title"] of this church underwritten 
and assigned the 30th day of this month and this year.  

For godparents:  Bartholomu Homem husband of Maria Silveria and Roza da 
[??] wife of So??? Balthazar

I don't understand the writing after Balthazar.

Pretty sketchy, I know, but I am having a terrible time reading the writing 
with all the abreviations of this priest, Thome Cardoso Machado???

What I'm looking for, of course, are the names within the record and any 
information specific to the individuals...beyond the "boiler-plate" 
language that appears in most of the records of this time and place.

I'm looking for Manuel Silveira Costa who was the husband of my 3rd great 
grand aunt...Maria Silveira...all of Ribeiras, Pico, I believe.

Thank you for any help!  

Evee Silva Kiler





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmation/help with Santa Cruz, Graciosa marriage record

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

JR,

FREGUESES means the ones who belong to that FREGUESIA. They were under the 
supervion of that particular church. This comes from the ancient political 
organization of the portuguese territory.

 

Eliseu

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de JR
Enviada: 1 de novembro de 2015 18:04
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmation/help with Santa Cruz, Graciosa 
marriage record

 

...Antonio Vas Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrao e sua mulher Maria Vieira 
com Maria Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis e sua mulher Anna Fernandes ja defuntos 
todos fragezes (this could be short for fraguesia, the plural form) desta 
Matrix de Sancta Crux; Test- Andre Fernandes, Diogo Mdo? (Machado) fragezes de 
NS da Guadelupe e Manoel Vas Sodre e Pedro da Vis nossos fragezes...

 

I suggest you not use the letter "z" unless it is clear that is the correct 
letter. The z I see is quite distinctive, on you can see it on the opposite 
page on first line; whereas the s at end of name is much like a lot of letters 
at end of words, just a downward stroke completing words with a flourish 
because it is the priest's style. 

 

I thought all this info was on line in book form somewhere.

 

JR

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:48:01 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote:

I believe I finally found (with the help of JR pointing me in the right 
direction with his translation help last night) the marriage record I've been 
looking for:

 

4th of October 1673

Antonio Vaz Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrde?? and Maria Viera (defunta)

to

Anna Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis and Anna Fernandes (defuntos)

 

Top, right record

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P11.html

 

Can/would someone please confirm that I've read the above correctly?  

 

Also, I'm seeing names (padrinhos?) of Andre Fernandes e Deogo ?? de ??; Manoel 
Vaz Sodre  directly after Anna's parents names.

 

Any and all help greatly appreciated.

 

Lee

Oak Hill WV

 

It's a cold rainy day here; a good day to just stay in a research!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

I have João Morais da Costa, born 1849, Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. He 
married in 10.11.1867 to Jacinta Libânia, born 1843 Santa Bárbara. Se was the 
daughter of José Tavares Pimentel and Maria Joaquina.

They had:

Maria, 1868

Manuel, 1870

Maria, 1873

Manuel, 1874

Ana, 1876

Serafim Morais, 1879

Ana de Jesus Morais, 1861

José, 1883

 

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)

 

 

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de 
Rosemarie Capodicci
Enviada: 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, 
Sao Miguel, Azores

 

Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores (or the 
record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her marriage??? 
 That happened in the Azores (not here) to my greatgreatgrandma, records were 
not available at the time of her marriage so she was re-baptized right before 
she married. Just a thought. 

 




Rosemarie 

  rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci mailto:rcap...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been looking 
for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!) I hope that 
someone out there has her in their database and is wondering where she came 
from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware, if you have been 
watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth mother's family just this 
week! So, continue and hope that the info will come to light soon. 

 




Rosemarie 

  rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

  

It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth of my 
husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her the, “elusive 
Maria Cristo.”

 

I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources on line 
so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode Island and MA. 
 The oral history I had did not go very far back in time until I found a 
great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some since I then knew the 
village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before Seraphine, her brother, 
immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect information about the lives of 
those of her family that immigrated followed Seraphine to RI from the census 
and marriage reords.

 

In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church records 
I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I spent a week 
going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria Cristo.”  Maria 
Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the task was easier 
than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings) and Jacinta Libianna 
(several variations of spellings) were not as hard as some names to pick out in 
the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several siblings and I recorded all of 
them.  

 

I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years old 
when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of his death. 
 Found nothing.

 

In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been raised 
by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was the daughter 
of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her grandparents.  

 

I found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.  Then 
I thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages surrounding 
Lomba da Santa Barbara when she was born and was baptized in a village that was 
near Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I looked at all the villages that abutted Lomba 
da Santa Barbara and could find neither a Maria born to her parents or to them 
listed as grandparents to a Maria.  

 

So….I left Sao Miguel with the mystery unsolved.  As I worked more and more on 
the other 7 Portuguese immigrant family for me and my husband, I left Maria 
Cristo waiting for me to take up the search.  

 

I have been following the Azores list daily, with my eye on anyone mentioning a 
Maria born in Sao Miguel who could have a connection to my “elusive Maria 
Cristo.”  None has shown up YET.  Any suggestions or help is appreciated.

 



Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmation/help with Santa Cruz, Graciosa marriage record

[JR]

It also says at bottom of record they received dispensation because they 
are related in prohibited degree. Record does not say what degree that is. 
Given the time period and with so few people on the island, they are likely 
first or second cousins.

JR

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 2:04:23 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> ...Antonio Vas Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrao e sua mulher Maria 
> Vieira com Maria Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis e sua mulher Anna Fernandes 
> ja defuntos todos fragezes (this could be short for fraguesia, the plural 
> form) desta Matrix de Sancta Crux; Test- Andre Fernandes, Diogo Mdo? 
> (Machado) fragezes de NS da Guadelupe e Manoel Vas Sodre e Pedro da Vis 
> nossos fragezes...
>
> I suggest you not use the letter "z" unless it is clear that is the 
> correct letter. The z I see is quite distinctive, on you can see it on the 
> opposite page on first line; whereas the s at end of name is much like a 
> lot of letters at end of words, just a downward stroke completing words 
> with a flourish because it is the priest's style. 
>
> I thought all this info was on line in book form somewhere.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:48:01 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote:
>>
>> I believe I finally found (with the help of JR pointing me in the right 
>> direction with his translation help last night) the marriage record I've 
>> been looking for:
>>
>> 4th of October 1673
>> Antonio Vaz Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrde?? and Maria Viera 
>> (defunta)
>> to
>> Anna Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis and Anna Fernandes (defuntos)
>>
>> Top, right record
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P11.html
>>
>> Can/would someone please confirm that I've read the above correctly?  
>>
>> Also, I'm seeing names (padrinhos?) of Andre Fernandes e Deogo ?? de ??; 
>> Manoel Vaz Sodre  directly after Anna's parents names.
>>
>> Any and all help greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lee
>> Oak Hill WV
>>
>> It's a cold rainy day here; a good day to just stay in a research!
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmation/help with Santa Cruz, Graciosa marriage record

[JR]

...Antonio Vas Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrao e sua mulher Maria 
Vieira com Maria Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis e sua mulher Anna Fernandes 
ja defuntos todos fragezes (this could be short for fraguesia, the plural 
form) desta Matrix de Sancta Crux; Test- Andre Fernandes, Diogo Mdo? 
(Machado) fragezes de NS da Guadelupe e Manoel Vas Sodre e Pedro da Vis 
nossos fragezes...

I suggest you not use the letter "z" unless it is clear that is the correct 
letter. The z I see is quite distinctive, on you can see it on the opposite 
page on first line; whereas the s at end of name is much like a lot of 
letters at end of words, just a downward stroke completing words with a 
flourish because it is the priest's style. 

I thought all this info was on line in book form somewhere.

JR

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:48:01 AM UTC-5, Lee wrote:
>
> I believe I finally found (with the help of JR pointing me in the right 
> direction with his translation help last night) the marriage record I've 
> been looking for:
>
> 4th of October 1673
> Antonio Vaz Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrde?? and Maria Viera 
> (defunta)
> to
> Anna Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis and Anna Fernandes (defuntos)
>
> Top, right record
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P11.html
>
> Can/would someone please confirm that I've read the above correctly?  
>
> Also, I'm seeing names (padrinhos?) of Andre Fernandes e Deogo ?? de ??; 
> Manoel Vaz Sodre  directly after Anna's parents names.
>
> Any and all help greatly appreciated.
>
> Lee
> Oak Hill WV
>
> It's a cold rainy day here; a good day to just stay in a research!
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Hi Eliseu, Here is the original chart that Celeste sent to me many years
ago! Hope it's easier for you to read.


Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rosemarie!
>
>
>
> Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I tis
> very hard to read.
>
>
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome
> de *Rosemarie Capodicci
> *Enviada:* 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
> *Para:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa
> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores
>
>
>
> Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores
> (or the record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her
> marriage???  That happened in the Azores (not here) to my
> greatgreatgrandma, records were not available at the time of her marriage
> so she was re-baptized right before she married. Just a thought.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been
> looking for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!)
> I hope that someone out there has her in their database and is wondering
> where she came from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware,
> if you have been watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth
> mother's family just this week! So, continue and hope that the info will
> come to light soon.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth
> of my husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her
> the, “elusive Maria Cristo.”
>
>
>
> I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources on
> line so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode
> Island and MA.  The oral history I had did not go very far back in time
> until I found a great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some
> since I then knew the village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before
> Seraphine, her brother, immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect
> information about the lives of those of her family that immigrated followed
> Seraphine to RI from the census and marriage reords.
>
>
>
> In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church
> records I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I
> spent a week going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria
> Cristo.”  Maria Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the
> task was easier than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings)
> and Jacinta Libianna (several variations of spellings) were not as hard as
> some names to pick out in the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several
> siblings and I recorded all of them.
>
>
>
> I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years
> old when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of
> his death.  Found nothing.
>
>
>
> In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been
> raised by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was
> the daughter of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her
> grandparents.
>
>
>
> I found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.
> Then I thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages
> surrounding Lomba da Santa Barbara when she was born and was baptized in a
> village that was near Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I looked at all the villages
> that abutted Lomba da Santa Barbara and could find neither a Maria born to
> her parents or to them listed as grandparents to a Maria.
>
>
>
> So….I left Sao Miguel with the mystery unsolved.  As I worked more and
> more on the other 7 Portuguese immigrant family for me and my husband, I
> left Maria Cristo waiting for me to take up the search.
>
>
>
> I have been following the Azores list daily, with my eye on anyone
> mentioning a Maria born in Sao Miguel who could have a connection to my
> “elusive Maria Cristo.”  None has shown up YET.  Any suggestions or help is
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Rosemarie!

 

Would you mind to send the the ancestors of Maria in another format. I tis very 
hard to read.

 

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)

 

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de 
Rosemarie Capodicci
Enviada: 31 de outubro de 2015 20:33
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, 
Sao Miguel, Azores

 

Celeste, do you think that she may not have been baptized in the Azores (or the 
record was lost) and she was re-baptiaed here in the USA before her marriage??? 
 That happened in the Azores (not here) to my greatgreatgrandma, records were 
not available at the time of her marriage so she was re-baptized right before 
she married. Just a thought. 

 




Rosemarie 

  rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci mailto:rcap...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Boy Celeste, you are such a great researcher! I know that you have been looking 
for Maria Cristo for years (I still have your info on my desktop!) I hope that 
someone out there has her in their database and is wondering where she came 
from! Good Luck and continue your search. As you are aware, if you have been 
watching the list, Dave W. finally found his birth mother's family just this 
week! So, continue and hope that the info will come to light soon. 

 




Rosemarie 

  rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:31 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

  

It has been a long time since I tried to find documentation for the birth of my 
husband, Robert Edward Perry’s, paternal grandmother.  I call her the, “elusive 
Maria Cristo.”

 

I began my search in 2001.  At that time, there were limited resources on line 
so I contacted relatives and researchers I found living in Rhode Island and MA. 
 The oral history I had did not go very far back in time until I found a 
great-grandson of her brother, Jose.  That helped some since I then knew the 
village in Sao Miguel where the family lived before Seraphine, her brother, 
immigrated to RI.  I have been able to collect information about the lives of 
those of her family that immigrated followed Seraphine to RI from the census 
and marriage reords.

 

In 2007, I visited Lomba da Santa Barbara and found that all the church records 
I needed were in the archives in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  I spent a week 
going through the church records looking for my “elusive Maria Cristo.”  Maria 
Cristo’s parents had names that were not very common so the task was easier 
than it may have been.  Joao de Morais (several spellings) and Jacinta Libianna 
(several variations of spellings) were not as hard as some names to pick out in 
the records.  I found Maria Cristo had several siblings and I recorded all of 
them.  

 

I had been told by her daughter, Mary Cruz, that Maria Cristo was 5 years old 
when her father died.  I looked in all the records up to the time of his death. 
 Found nothing.

 

In 2009, I returned to Sao Miguel thinking maybe Maria Cristo had been raised 
by this family and was not biologically related.  Or that she was the daughter 
of an older sibling that was not married and raised by her grandparents.  

 

I found that 3 of the older siblings had died young so I ruled them out.  Then 
I thought the family may have been visiting one of the villages surrounding 
Lomba da Santa Barbara when she was born and was baptized in a village that was 
near Lomba da Santa Barbara.  I looked at all the villages that abutted Lomba 
da Santa Barbara and could find neither a Maria born to her parents or to them 
listed as grandparents to a Maria.  

 

So….I left Sao Miguel with the mystery unsolved.  As I worked more and more on 
the other 7 Portuguese immigrant family for me and my husband, I left Maria 
Cristo waiting for me to take up the search.  

 

I have been following the Azores list daily, with my eye on anyone mentioning a 
Maria born in Sao Miguel who could have a connection to my “elusive Maria 
Cristo.”  None has shown up YET.  Any suggestions or help is appreciated.

 



Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

[E. Sharp]

Hi Celeste,

 

Do you think the record that Jose wrote July 31, 1909, might be the ship 
entering the US, i.e. on US records?  Of have you tried these?  If not, I can 
try Ancestry for these.  

 

 

“E”

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria Cristo Morais, Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you, Aaron, for your interest in helping me find "the elusive Maria 
Cristo's" baptismal record.  The information I have is that "Maria Moraes 
arrived July 31, 1909, age 25, est. birth yr. 1884, female, Portuguese, Port of 
departure: Srt. Michaels, Az, Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, 
MA; last residence, Azores; birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores." 
I had several people in RI and MA helping me try to find information about 
Maria Cristo at that time.  In 2005, Joao Ventura (the researcher) told me 
there was no passport record for Maria Cristo leaving the Azores because there 
is a book missing from October 1908 to December, 1909. 
In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of Maria Cristo's brother, 
Jose.  He wrote "On Ancestry.com, I found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 
1909."  
Thank you for your help in solving this mystery.CelesteCeleste Perry 
ccgran...@yahoo.com 


 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:56 PM, Aaron Pereira 
 wrote:
   

 Celeste,
Can you provide a link, or more information on Maria's arrival?  Do you know 
the name of the ship and what port she arrived at?  I noticed there are no 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmation/help with Santa Cruz, Graciosa marriage record

[Lee]

I believe I finally found (with the help of JR pointing me in the right 
direction with his translation help last night) the marriage record I've 
been looking for:

4th of October 1673
Antonio Vaz Sodre filho de Antonio Correia Serrde?? and Maria Viera 
(defunta)
to
Anna Gaspar filha de Gaspar da Vis and Anna Fernandes (defuntos)

Top, right record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P11.html

Can/would someone please confirm that I've read the above correctly?  

Also, I'm seeing names (padrinhos?) of Andre Fernandes e Deogo ?? de ??; 
Manoel Vaz Sodre  directly after Anna's parents names.

Any and all help greatly appreciated.

Lee
Oak Hill WV

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