Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[linda]

thanks Cheri!  I always appreciate clarification.

:)

Linda

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:18:27 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Setenta years. 70. I compared to the "t" in the year of 1742.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:15 PM Tony Amarant  > wrote:
>
>> G'day Linda.
>>
>> You are a flam'n legend. Thanks so much for taking the time out to assist 
>> me.
>>
>> Kindest regards, Tony
>>
>> --
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  > > on behalf of linda >
>> *Sent:* Friday, 31 January 2020 10:28 AM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death 
>> Manoel de Mattos Pereira 
>>  
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> This is what I can make out:
>>
>> transcription:
>>
>>  Em os quinze dias do mez de Jan.ro do anno
>> de mil sete centos quarenta e dous [???ou?] da vida
>> presente com todos os Sacramentos Manoel de Mattos
>> Per.a casado com Maria Sylv.ra natural e freguez des
>> ta ig.ra Parochial de S. Barbara Lugar das Manadas
>> tendo de id.e setenta (sesenta??) annos pouco mais ou menos
>> fez testamento em que deixou por testament.?o a seu
>> f.o Fran.co deMattos, e di??os que seria seu corpo em
>> volto em hum habito de piCote do ? S. Fran.co
>> acompanhado de sua casa a sepultura dos Parochos
>> desta ig.ra com todas as  que por sua alma
>> se diziam sincoenta miSsaS  resadas de cujo n.o [?deriao
>> dez de tencao e?] aSsim mais as sinco das [chagas?]
>> a hum annal de responsos e hum officio presente
>> o Corpo e nao di??os mais [
>> na forma que d
>> ig.ra das -- fiz este
>> termo que asina mez e?? era ut supro
>>
>> translation:
>>
>> On the 15th day of the month of January of the year
>> of 1742 [departed] from present life
>> having had all the Sacraments Manuel de Mattos
>> Pereira married to Maria Sylveira native and resident of
>> this parochial church of Santa Barbara locality of Manadas
>> having the age of seventy [possibly sixty??] years more or less
>> [he] made a will in which he left as [his beneficiary?] his
>> son Francisco de Mattos, and [he said/directed??] for his body to be 
>> wrapped in a picote [a type of fabric] habit  [of the order??] of S. 
>> Francisco
>> [and] accompanied from his house to the grave of the parishioners 
>> of this church with all the ? that for his soul
>> ... fifty masses... prayers..
>> .
>> .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> church of  I made this 
>> document which I signed [and dated?] era ut supro
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[linda]

Ha! :D  No, I am procrastinating on getting my tax documents ready.

my pleasure,

:D

Linda

On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 6:15:47 PM UTC-8, Azores Genealogy group 
wrote:
>
> G'day Linda.
>
> You are a flam'n legend. Thanks so much for taking the time out to assist 
> me.
>
> Kindest regards, Tony
>
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> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > on behalf of linda >
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 January 2020 10:28 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death 
> Manoel de Mattos Pereira 
>  
> Hi Tony,
>
> This is what I can make out:
>
> transcription:
>
>  Em os quinze dias do mez de Jan.ro do anno
> de mil sete centos quarenta e dous [???ou?] da vida
> presente com todos os Sacramentos Manoel de Mattos
> Per.a casado com Maria Sylv.ra natural e freguez des
> ta ig.ra Parochial de S. Barbara Lugar das Manadas
> tendo de id.e setenta (sesenta??) annos pouco mais ou menos
> fez testamento em que deixou por testament.?o a seu
> f.o Fran.co deMattos, e di??os que seria seu corpo em
> volto em hum habito de piCote do ? S. Fran.co
> acompanhado de sua casa a sepultura dos Parochos
> desta ig.ra com todas as  que por sua alma
> se diziam sincoenta miSsaS  resadas de cujo n.o [?deriao
> dez de tencao e?] aSsim mais as sinco das [chagas?]
> a hum annal de responsos e hum officio presente
> o Corpo e nao di??os mais [
> na forma que d
> ig.ra das -- fiz este
> termo que asina mez e?? era ut supro
>
> translation:
>
> On the 15th day of the month of January of the year
> of 1742 [departed] from present life
> having had all the Sacraments Manuel de Mattos
> Pereira married to Maria Sylveira native and resident of
> this parochial church of Santa Barbara locality of Manadas
> having the age of seventy [possibly sixty??] years more or less
> [he] made a will in which he left as [his beneficiary?] his
> son Francisco de Mattos, and [he said/directed??] for his body to be 
> wrapped in a picote [a type of fabric] habit  [of the order??] of S. 
> Francisco
> [and] accompanied from his house to the grave of the parishioners 
> of this church with all the ? that for his soul
> ... fifty masses... prayers..
> .
> .
> 
> 
> 
> church of  I made this 
> document which I signed [and dated?] era ut supro
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[Cheri Mello]

Sorry, I meant his age. He's 70 years (more or less).
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:44 PM Azores Genealogy group <
tony_amar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Cheri - Thanks for the added clarification on the year.
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 8:55:59 AM UTC+11, Azores Genealogy group
> wrote:
>>
>> I have a death entry document that I need assistance with but the
>> document is not from the CCA website so I do not have a URL to post.  I
>> only have the document as a jpeg file so not sure if it can be opened or
>> read here, nonetheless its attached so we'll see how it goes.
>>
>> I have had a go at translating the document and below is what I think in
>> part it says.
>>
>> *"On the fifteenth day of the month of January of the year one thousand
>> seven hundred and forty two _ of life _ with  ___ _ Manoel
>> de Mattos Pereira married with Maria Sylveira native and parishioner of
>> Parish Church of Santa Barbara in the town of  Manadas at the age of
>> seventy years _  ___ __ ___  ___ ___ __ ___
>> testament  __ Francisco de Mattoa _ __ ___ _ ___ _ __ 
>> __  __ Picote __ _  ___ Francisco accompanied by his
>>  grave ___ ___ of this Church with _ __ __ ___ ___ his
>> __ __ _ fifty _ __ __  ___ _ ten decades? and _
>> _ __ five  _ and one annual __ rosary? and one offering?
>>  _ _  __ ___  ___ __ __ _ _ ___ __
>>  __ _ _ ___ _ ___ ___ _ ___ ___ made this
>> termo que _  _ date as above Vicar Francisco Pereira de
>> Mattos?"*
>>
>>
>> If you cannot open the jpeg file, I'm happy for you to send me an e-mail
>> request at tony_amar...@hotmail.com.
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Tony Amarant
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[Cheri Mello]

Setenta years. 70. I compared to the "t" in the year of 1742.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:15 PM Tony Amarant 
wrote:

> G'day Linda.
>
> You are a flam'n legend. Thanks so much for taking the time out to assist
> me.
>
> Kindest regards, Tony
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> linda 
> *Sent:* Friday, 31 January 2020 10:28 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death
> Manoel de Mattos Pereira
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> This is what I can make out:
>
> transcription:
>
>  Em os quinze dias do mez de Jan.ro do anno
> de mil sete centos quarenta e dous [???ou?] da vida
> presente com todos os Sacramentos Manoel de Mattos
> Per.a casado com Maria Sylv.ra natural e freguez des
> ta ig.ra Parochial de S. Barbara Lugar das Manadas
> tendo de id.e setenta (sesenta??) annos pouco mais ou menos
> fez testamento em que deixou por testament.?o a seu
> f.o Fran.co deMattos, e di??os que seria seu corpo em
> volto em hum habito de piCote do ? S. Fran.co
> acompanhado de sua casa a sepultura dos Parochos
> desta ig.ra com todas as  que por sua alma
> se diziam sincoenta miSsaS  resadas de cujo n.o [?deriao
> dez de tencao e?] aSsim mais as sinco das [chagas?]
> a hum annal de responsos e hum officio presente
> o Corpo e nao di??os mais [
> na forma que d
> ig.ra das -- fiz este
> termo que asina mez e?? era ut supro
>
> translation:
>
> On the 15th day of the month of January of the year
> of 1742 [departed] from present life
> having had all the Sacraments Manuel de Mattos
> Pereira married to Maria Sylveira native and resident of
> this parochial church of Santa Barbara locality of Manadas
> having the age of seventy [possibly sixty??] years more or less
> [he] made a will in which he left as [his beneficiary?] his
> son Francisco de Mattos, and [he said/directed??] for his body to be
> wrapped in a picote [a type of fabric] habit  [of the order??] of S.
> Francisco
> [and] accompanied from his house to the grave of the parishioners
> of this church with all the ? that for his soul
> ... fifty masses... prayers..
> .
> .
> 
> 
> 
> church of  I made this
> document which I signed [and dated?] era ut supro
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de Mattos Pereira

[Tony Amarant]

G'day Linda.

You are a flam'n legend. Thanks so much for taking the time out to assist me.

Kindest regards, Tony


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of linda 

Sent: Friday, 31 January 2020 10:28 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual Translation Request - Death Manoel de 
Mattos Pereira

Hi Tony,

This is what I can make out:

transcription:

 Em os quinze dias do mez de Jan.ro do anno
de mil sete centos quarenta e dous [???ou?] da vida
presente com todos os Sacramentos Manoel de Mattos
Per.a casado com Maria Sylv.ra natural e freguez des
ta ig.ra Parochial de S. Barbara Lugar das Manadas
tendo de id.e setenta (sesenta??) annos pouco mais ou menos
fez testamento em que deixou por testament.?o a seu
f.o Fran.co deMattos, e di??os que seria seu corpo em
volto em hum habito de piCote do ? S. Fran.co
acompanhado de sua casa a sepultura dos Parochos
desta ig.ra com todas as  que por sua alma
se diziam sincoenta miSsaS  resadas de cujo n.o [?deriao
dez de tencao e?] aSsim mais as sinco das [chagas?]
a hum annal de responsos e hum officio presente
o Corpo e nao di??os mais [
na forma que d
ig.ra das -- fiz este
termo que asina mez e?? era ut supro

translation:

On the 15th day of the month of January of the year
of 1742 [departed] from present life
having had all the Sacraments Manuel de Mattos
Pereira married to Maria Sylveira native and resident of
this parochial church of Santa Barbara locality of Manadas
having the age of seventy [possibly sixty??] years more or less
[he] made a will in which he left as [his beneficiary?] his
son Francisco de Mattos, and [he said/directed??] for his body to be
wrapped in a picote [a type of fabric] habit  [of the order??] of S. Francisco
[and] accompanied from his house to the grave of the parishioners
of this church with all the ? that for his soul
... fifty masses... prayers..
.
.



church of  I made this
document which I signed [and dated?] era ut supro




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria (Helpreading marriage)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks Angela.  I appreciate your help!  😊 

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria 
(Helpreading marriage)

Hi Sam,

1. I would say Livramento 
2. I would say Sacramento
3. Gregório de Jesus Alvares da Costa
4. I think it says "tirei certidão", in 2 diferent dates.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia quinta, 30/01/2020 à(s) 22:29:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798_item1/P62.html
 
Hello everyone;  I have several questions on the above document. Left hand 
side, marriage of Manoel Jose Coelho to Francisca Rosa Sacramento/Livermento. 
1.  I can’t decided on the bride’s surname?  
2. (It appears to be the same as the groom’s mother’s surname?)  
3. The bride’s father’s name appears to be Georgorio de Jesus Alvarez da Cotta. 
Do I have that right?
4. On the sidenote: Someone died on 28th of June 1808?
 
Appreciate any and all help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[linda]

Thanks Cheri!

I'm sure you're right, and that there were other factors that determined 
why they ended up on S. Miguel for the wedding.  Such a mystery!

:D

Linda

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 12:27:18 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I looked up a calendar for 1849 and yes, Lent would have been from 22 
> February and 8 April (Easter Sunday). You couldn't marry during Lent. 
> However, it didn't matter where you married, as the marriage banns had to 
> be posted at both the bride and groom's home churches. Maybe they moved 
> around trying to conceive her pregnancy (that's a bit expensive), but a 
> possibility. 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:00 PM linda > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Probably this is the source for that info in the database about the 
>> Gazelle, 1870:
>>
>>
>> https://www.worldcat.org/title/logbook-of-the-ship-gazelle-1870-oct-26-1872-nov-28/oclc/71254679&referer=brief_results
>>
>> I can't see where the logbook itself is held, but it must still exist.
>>
>> It seems that the whaling museum has a logbook database in an excel file 
>> (hope this link will work):
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&ved=2ahUKEwik0OSjx6TnAhWhna0KHcvrA3AQFjAPegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whalingmuseum.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDocuments%2FLogbook%2520Database%2520Master_web.xls&usg=AOvVaw3aUTqkSiGAaEq18He9SVHv
>>
>> It comes up near the top of a google search on the terms 
>>
>> ship seconet logbook 1855
>>
>> I have to run, but hope this provides a lead.  
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:33:02 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry but in my memory I co-mingled some whaling crew entries.  There 
>>> are many Francis Joseph, Francisco Jose, or other iterations in the whaling 
>>> crew database.  Many can be eliminated by age or residence.  I also 
>>> eliminated any entry before 1855 since he was listed as a carpenter and not 
>>> a mariner his son's baptisms that year.  That left several that didn't have 
>>> enough data to be eliminated, but two that had additional data consistent 
>>> with being my Francisco Jose.  It was these two I co-mingled.  First was 
>>> 1855 on the Ship Seconet who was listed as a COOPER but it did not give his 
>>> age or residence.  A cooper would be consistent with Francisco Jose being a 
>>> carpenter and with Francis Joseph in New Zealand being a cooper.  The 
>>> second was a Francis Joseph on the Bark Gazelle in 1870 which gives his age 
>>> as 43 and his residence as Sao Jorge, Azores.  Either or both of these 
>>> could fit (or not) my wife's ancestor.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:

 Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful.  Sorry 
 for the delay in responding.  You are correct that I search for an Azorean 
 obit for him.  I looked through 1911 in Urzelina where he last lived and 
 in 
 Praia, Graciosa where he was born.  The DNA evidence coupled with the name 
 and occupation circumstance seems very compelling.  Another coincidence is 
 that the New Bedford Whaling Museum database show that the was a crew 
 member on a Whaler in 1867 named Francisco Jose Cordeiro from Sao Jorge, 
 Azores, whose job was "cooper".

 Attached are timelines of what I have for him in the Azores and what 
 Tony (my New Zealand contact) provided from his records.

 Thanks again,
 Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria (Help reading marriage)

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,


   1. I would say Livramento
   2. I would say Sacramento
   3. Gregório de Jesus Alvares da Costa
   4. I think it says "tirei certidão", in 2 diferent dates.


'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia quinta, 30/01/2020 à(s) 22:29:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798_item1/P62.html
>
>
>
> Hello everyone;  I have several questions on the above document. Left hand
> side, marriage of Manoel Jose Coelho to Francisca Rosa
> Sacramento/Livermento.
>
>1.  I can’t decided on the bride’s surname?
>2. (It appears to be the same as the groom’s mother’s surname?)
>3. The bride’s father’s name appears to be Georgorio de Jesus Alvarez
>da Cotta. Do I have that right?
>4. On the sidenote: Someone died on 28th of June 1808?
>
>
>
> Appreciate any and all help,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks for the update. That was my first impression as well - It's not
intended for genealogists, it's to generate revenue.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:17 PM João Ventura  wrote:

> There aren't much more news, but it seems it will happen in Terceira
> between 16 and 19th of April.
>
>
> http://www.azores.gov.pt/GaCS/Noticias/2019/Dezembro/Comunidades+cultura+e+turismo+em+destaque+no+Encontro+de+Genealogia+A%C3%A7oriana+em+abril+na+Terceira
>
> I have no further information than this. I'm not sure the Azorean
> government actually wants genealogists there. It seems aimed at how they
> can leverage it as a source of tourism / income.
>
> João Ventura
>
> On Friday, 11 October 2019 16:27:50 UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy
>> conference in 2020.
>>
>>
>> http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc
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>> Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)
>>
>> João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Rob Whaite]

Yes,right!! Cheri

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:05 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The 2nd marriage on the page #1047, is what I am looking at, right?
>
> The groom is the son of Antonio Josephs and Mary Antonio. So over there it
> would be Antonio Jose and Maria Antonio. More likely she is Maria ___.
> It's 1868 and in that time period, women did not have surnames, so the
> groom may be taking his best guess as to what her "maiden name" may be.
> I've seen Antonio as a surname here or there.
>
> Joaquim as a surname does happen, but it's kinda like seeing the surname
> Antonio. Both are given names and for some reason, the family tacked on
> that given name as a surname to differentiate themselves.
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:15 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri
>>
>> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
>>
>> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in
>> 1868.
>>
>> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same
>> general area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and
>> that was the name shown on the passenger list.
>>
>> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it
>> strange that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian
>> name?
>>
>> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt
>> to anglicize his surname?
>>
>> Any ideas would be appreciated
>>
>> Rob
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Rob Whaite]

Thanks heaps Nancy

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:20 AM Nancy Couto  wrote:

> Dear Rob,
>
> I found a listing for Jose Antonio (b. before 1795) married to Antonia
> Maria on the Cabral Genealogies website. On this site people are listed
> last name first, with no punctuation after the surname. So these people are
> Antonio Jose married to Maria Antonia. The “Antonia” could be a typo or a
> misreading, or the name could have been spelled with an “a” at the end. I
> haven’t checked this out, but the owner of this website has proven to be
> reliable and her information comes from church records. The time frame
> could work out, since Antonio Josephs (the son) was 40 at the time of his
> marriage in 1868.
>
> http://www.cabralgenealogy.org/getperson.php?personID=I570&tree=Cabral
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 4:00 AM, Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
> Hi Cheri
>
> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
>
> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in
> 1868.
>
> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same general
> area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and that was
> the name shown on the passenger list.
>
> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it
> strange that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian
> name?
>
> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt to
> anglicize his surname?
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Cheri Mello]

I looked up a calendar for 1849 and yes, Lent would have been from 22
February and 8 April (Easter Sunday). You couldn't marry during Lent.
However, it didn't matter where you married, as the marriage banns had to
be posted at both the bride and groom's home churches. Maybe they moved
around trying to conceive her pregnancy (that's a bit expensive), but a
possibility.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:00 PM linda  wrote:

>
> Probably this is the source for that info in the database about the
> Gazelle, 1870:
>
>
> https://www.worldcat.org/title/logbook-of-the-ship-gazelle-1870-oct-26-1872-nov-28/oclc/71254679&referer=brief_results
>
> I can't see where the logbook itself is held, but it must still exist.
>
> It seems that the whaling museum has a logbook database in an excel file
> (hope this link will work):
>
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&ved=2ahUKEwik0OSjx6TnAhWhna0KHcvrA3AQFjAPegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whalingmuseum.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FDocuments%2FLogbook%2520Database%2520Master_web.xls&usg=AOvVaw3aUTqkSiGAaEq18He9SVHv
>
> It comes up near the top of a google search on the terms
>
> ship seconet logbook 1855
>
> I have to run, but hope this provides a lead.
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:33:02 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Sorry but in my memory I co-mingled some whaling crew entries.  There are
>> many Francis Joseph, Francisco Jose, or other iterations in the whaling
>> crew database.  Many can be eliminated by age or residence.  I also
>> eliminated any entry before 1855 since he was listed as a carpenter and not
>> a mariner his son's baptisms that year.  That left several that didn't have
>> enough data to be eliminated, but two that had additional data consistent
>> with being my Francisco Jose.  It was these two I co-mingled.  First was
>> 1855 on the Ship Seconet who was listed as a COOPER but it did not give his
>> age or residence.  A cooper would be consistent with Francisco Jose being a
>> carpenter and with Francis Joseph in New Zealand being a cooper.  The
>> second was a Francis Joseph on the Bark Gazelle in 1870 which gives his age
>> as 43 and his residence as Sao Jorge, Azores.  Either or both of these
>> could fit (or not) my wife's ancestor.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 11:57:57 AM UTC-8, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful.  Sorry
>>> for the delay in responding.  You are correct that I search for an Azorean
>>> obit for him.  I looked through 1911 in Urzelina where he last lived and in
>>> Praia, Graciosa where he was born.  The DNA evidence coupled with the name
>>> and occupation circumstance seems very compelling.  Another coincidence is
>>> that the New Bedford Whaling Museum database show that the was a crew
>>> member on a Whaler in 1867 named Francisco Jose Cordeiro from Sao Jorge,
>>> Azores, whose job was "cooper".
>>>
>>> Attached are timelines of what I have for him in the Azores and what
>>> Tony (my New Zealand contact) provided from his records.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Nancy Couto]

Dear Rob,

I found a listing for Jose Antonio (b. before 1795) married to Antonia Maria on 
the Cabral Genealogies website. On this site people are listed last name first, 
with no punctuation after the surname. So these people are Antonio Jose married 
to Maria Antonia. The “Antonia” could be a typo or a misreading, or the name 
could have been spelled with an “a” at the end. I haven’t checked this out, but 
the owner of this website has proven to be reliable and her information comes 
from church records. The time frame could work out, since Antonio Josephs (the 
son) was 40 at the time of his marriage in 1868. 

http://www.cabralgenealogy.org/getperson.php?personID=I570&tree=Cabral

Hope this helps.

Nancy 


> On Jan 27, 2020, at 4:00 AM, Rob Whaite  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri
> 
> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
> 
> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in 1868.
> 
> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same general 
> area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and that was the 
> name shown on the passenger list.
> 
> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it strange 
> that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian name?
> 
> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt to 
> anglicize his surname?
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage certificate.

[Cheri Mello]

The 2nd marriage on the page #1047, is what I am looking at, right?

The groom is the son of Antonio Josephs and Mary Antonio. So over there it
would be Antonio Jose and Maria Antonio. More likely she is Maria ___.
It's 1868 and in that time period, women did not have surnames, so the
groom may be taking his best guess as to what her "maiden name" may be.
I've seen Antonio as a surname here or there.

Joaquim as a surname does happen, but it's kinda like seeing the surname
Antonio. Both are given names and for some reason, the family tacked on
that given name as a surname to differentiate themselves.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:15 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi Cheri
>
> I attach another Australian Marriage certificate also from Victoria.
>
> The one I refer to is the marriage of Antonio Josephs and Eliza Smith in
> 1868.
>
> I think his real surname was Joaquime as he was living in the same general
> area as three of his cousins who all came out here together and that was
> the name shown on the passenger list.
>
> When you look at the entries for the names of his parents I find it
> strange that his mother's surname was the same as his father's christian
> name?
>
> It appears to me that he made it all up as he went along in his attempt to
> anglicize his surname?
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My book

[Brian Margarit]

I'll be printing it out for my family but I have it in a PDF on a google 
drive.  If anyone is interested I can send you the drive link.  Send me an 
email at bmarga...@shaw.ca

On Friday, 24 January 2020 20:55:56 UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Brian M,
> Are you printing it or sharing it?
>
> Printing: 40 pages - Try your local Staples, Office Depot, or the like.
>
> Sharing it via the cloud - try Google Drive, Dropbox, One Cloud, Blaze or 
> the like.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:53 PM Brian Margarit  > wrote:
>
>> By resource sharing, I mean a database or drive for the group etc to 
>> upload data
>>
>> On Friday, 24 January 2020 14:09:20 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees? 
>>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research 
>>> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone 
>>> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over 
>>> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and 
>>> photos of the source material. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>>>
>>> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro, 
>>> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Brian Margarit]

Hey Linda,

I appreciate you looking into it!

The running story in our family was that no one on Graciosa would marry 
them (whatever that means) and she was indeed pregnant at the time.  With 
Graciosa being so insular and small, it's a very convincing theory that 
they may have had to leave

On Sunday, 26 January 2020 22:11:35 UTC-6, linda wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Bill S. and Brian M.,
>
> I enjoyed spending some time last week looking at your records and 
> thinking about this couple.  To help me envision where they were in their 
> first years together, I printed out a map and added some arrows.
>
>
> (I can't seem to attach or insert the map... try this: 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AEyfltgiF106yoPM1awIJEuUM4JKCHM2 )
>
> According to their (self-reported) marriage record:
>
> 1847: Maria was in Urzelina; Francisco was on Graciosa
> 1848: Maria was in Urzelina: Francisco was on Graciosa
> 1849: Maria was in Ponta Delgada; Francisco was in Ponta Delgada
>
> Lent in 1849 was between 22 February and 8 Easter (give or take a day-- 
> the date conversion program I used had a problem plotting the 19th dates on 
> the calendar)
> Maria's conception date was probably between 21 to 28 March 1849 (using 
> Manuel's birth/baptismal dates and assuming the pregnancy carried to a 
> normal term)
>
> So, Maria and Francisco conceived their first child during Lent in 1849.  
> According to their marriage record, that Lenten season they were both in 
> Ponta Delgada (economic migration?).
>
> But, it crossed my mind to wonder if the couple went to Ponta Delgada -- 
> the largest town on the most populous island-- to mitigate the scandal of a 
> hasty marriage and a very "short" pregnancy.   Maria would have realized 
> and become certain that she was pregnant in April/May.  The marriage would 
> then have had to have been arranged between late April and late June/early 
> July because the marriage banns would have been read at the end of June or 
> beginning of July before they were able to wed. 
>
> Utter speculation, but I enjoyed thinking about it, and I hope you don't 
> mind me gossiping about them.  No disrespect intended.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Linda 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 11:09:31 AM UTC-8, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to mention - Maria was pregnant at the time of her marriage.  
>> The Ponta Delgado locale, I've always assumed, is because the priest in 
>> Guadalupe wouldnt marry them because of that.  Who knows, though.
>>
>> On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:03:25 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> I wish I could've seen this sooner.
>>>
>>> I'm still in the process of getting everything together on MyHeritage 
>>> and can let you know so you can match up.
>>>
>>> I have a very abridged timeline for you since I know you have a lot of 
>>> this information.  This is just base facts for you.
>>>
>>> Carpenter
>>> Born in 1828 (Santa Cruz) died 1887 (Urzelina)
>>>
>>> Married Maria Isabel in Ponta Delgado 1849 but they lived in Santa Cruz 
>>> still.  My grandmother said it was "because no one could marry them on the 
>>> island".  That's the extent of the reasoning that I know or have found.
>>>
>>> Lean crops & small famine in Graciosa and death of their son Joao as a 
>>> result, prompted their move to Sao Jorge.  The family lore is that they 
>>> were supposed to go to Faial, but couldn't for some reason.  
>>>
>>> Francisco dies in 1887, Urzelina.  My aunt has two photos from 1910 of 
>>> his gravestone in Sao Mateus cemetery, as well as another Cordeiro that 
>>> I've never been able to make out the first name or dates for. 
>>>
>>> I don't have any information of a Francis Cordeiro, he's not in the 
>>> records I have of the family.   
>>>
>>> If you have any more questions, you know how to reach me.  I'll be going 
>>> to Sao Jorge, Graciosa and Terceira in two months and will be covering all 
>>> parishes.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:31:49 UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the information:
>>>>
>>>> Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas 
>>>> Terceira, Graciosa e São Jorge | 
>>>>
>>>> Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt
>>>>
>>>> Marg

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[linda]

Thanks Bill S. and Brian M.,

I enjoyed spending some time last week looking at your records and thinking 
about this couple.  To help me envision where they were in their first 
years together, I printed out a map and added some arrows.


(I can't seem to attach or insert the map... try this: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AEyfltgiF106yoPM1awIJEuUM4JKCHM2 )

According to their (self-reported) marriage record:

1847: Maria was in Urzelina; Francisco was on Graciosa
1848: Maria was in Urzelina: Francisco was on Graciosa
1849: Maria was in Ponta Delgada; Francisco was in Ponta Delgada

Lent in 1849 was between 22 February and 8 Easter (give or take a day-- the 
date conversion program I used had a problem plotting the 19th dates on the 
calendar)
Maria's conception date was probably between 21 to 28 March 1849 (using 
Manuel's birth/baptismal dates and assuming the pregnancy carried to a 
normal term)

So, Maria and Francisco conceived their first child during Lent in 1849.  
According to their marriage record, that Lenten season they were both in 
Ponta Delgada (economic migration?).

But, it crossed my mind to wonder if the couple went to Ponta Delgada -- 
the largest town on the most populous island-- to mitigate the scandal of a 
hasty marriage and a very "short" pregnancy.   Maria would have realized 
and become certain that she was pregnant in April/May.  The marriage would 
then have had to have been arranged between late April and late June/early 
July because the marriage banns would have been read at the end of June or 
beginning of July before they were able to wed. 

Utter speculation, but I enjoyed thinking about it, and I hope you don't 
mind me gossiping about them.  No disrespect intended.

best wishes,

Linda 





On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 11:09:31 AM UTC-8, Brian Margarit wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention - Maria was pregnant at the time of her marriage.  The 
> Ponta Delgado locale, I've always assumed, is because the priest in 
> Guadalupe wouldnt marry them because of that.  Who knows, though.
>
> On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:03:25 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I wish I could've seen this sooner.
>>
>> I'm still in the process of getting everything together on MyHeritage and 
>> can let you know so you can match up.
>>
>> I have a very abridged timeline for you since I know you have a lot of 
>> this information.  This is just base facts for you.
>>
>> Carpenter
>> Born in 1828 (Santa Cruz) died 1887 (Urzelina)
>>
>> Married Maria Isabel in Ponta Delgado 1849 but they lived in Santa Cruz 
>> still.  My grandmother said it was "because no one could marry them on the 
>> island".  That's the extent of the reasoning that I know or have found.
>>
>> Lean crops & small famine in Graciosa and death of their son Joao as a 
>> result, prompted their move to Sao Jorge.  The family lore is that they 
>> were supposed to go to Faial, but couldn't for some reason.  
>>
>> Francisco dies in 1887, Urzelina.  My aunt has two photos from 1910 of 
>> his gravestone in Sao Mateus cemetery, as well as another Cordeiro that 
>> I've never been able to make out the first name or dates for. 
>>
>> I don't have any information of a Francis Cordeiro, he's not in the 
>> records I have of the family.   
>>
>> If you have any more questions, you know how to reach me.  I'll be going 
>> to Sao Jorge, Graciosa and Terceira in two months and will be covering all 
>> parishes.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:31:49 UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Bill,
>>>
>>> Here is the information:
>>>
>>> Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas 
>>> Terceira, Graciosa e São Jorge | 
>>>
>>> Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt
>>>
>>> Margaret v
>>>
>>> *From: *Bill Seidler
>>> *Sent: *January 22, 2020 10:08 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are 
>>> the same person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other 
>>> possibilities to whatever extent possible. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in 
>>> case I don't make it, can you tell me how

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Cheri Mello]

It's ALL libraries on ALL the islands and includes more than just the 3
archive libraries.

For whatever, you can't click on the link. You have to copy and paste it.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:45 PM Shirl Sereque 
wrote:

> I wasn't able to open the link.  Just got some Amazon stuff.  Since my
> ancestors were from Terceira, I'm interested in looking at it...unless it's
> just Catholic items.   :-(
> - Shirl -
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2020, 12:49:01 PM PST, Rosemarie Capodicci <
> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I haven't done anything either. Just thought I would put it out there for
> all to peruse!
> Let me know what you find. Won't have time as I'm getting stuff ready for
> the DAR Ancestor Round-up tomorrow.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I
> haven't searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here:
> https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#
> Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice!
>
> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Shirl Sereque]

 I wasn't able to open the link.  Just got some Amazon stuff.  Since my 
ancestors were from Terceira, I'm interested in looking at it...unless it's 
just Catholic items.   :-(- Shirl -

On Friday, January 24, 2020, 12:49:01 PM PST, Rosemarie Capodicci 
 wrote:  
 
 I haven't done anything either. Just thought I would put it out there for all 
to peruse! Let me know what you find. Won't have time as I'm getting stuff 
ready for the DAR Ancestor Round-up tomorrow. 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I haven't 
searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here: 
https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#  
Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My book

[Cheri Mello]

Brian M,
Are you printing it or sharing it?

Printing: 40 pages - Try your local Staples, Office Depot, or the like.

Sharing it via the cloud - try Google Drive, Dropbox, One Cloud, Blaze or
the like.
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 6:53 PM Brian Margarit <
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> By resource sharing, I mean a database or drive for the group etc to
> upload data
>
> On Friday, 24 January 2020 14:09:20 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
>> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
>> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
>> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
>> photos of the source material.
>>
>> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>>
>> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
>> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Brian,

In addition to the suggestions given by Cheri, i would also suggest
Geneanet,



JesseAndDeborah Mendonca  escreveu no dia sexta,
24/01/2020 à(s) 19:25:

> Hello Brian,
>
> You are to be applauded for your work and your generosity. I am unsure how
> your tree is saved, but am interested in it due to the Mendonca surname.
> Would a link from it work?  It is very easy to share from Ancestry; I’m not
> sure about the others.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
> jessdebmendonca “at” gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Brian Margarit <
> analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
>> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
>> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
>> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
>> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
>> photos of the source material.
>>
>> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>>
>> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
>> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Bill Seidler]

I have some issues with your timeline, especially concerning Francisco's 
1887 death.  I sent a message to your email.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I haven't done anything either. Just thought I would put it out there for
all to peruse!
Let me know what you find. Won't have time as I'm getting stuff ready for
the DAR Ancestor Round-up tomorrow.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I
> haven't searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here:
>> https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#
>> Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Hello Brian,

You are to be applauded for your work and your generosity. I am unsure how
your tree is saved, but am interested in it due to the Mendonca surname.
Would a link from it work?  It is very easy to share from Ancestry; I’m not
sure about the others.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
jessdebmendonca “at” gmail.com




On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
> photos of the source material.
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My book

[Cheri Mello]

Some people use Ancestry, some use My Heritage. There's Geni and WikiTree
too. Some people make their own web page where they can have complete
control over their tree.
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Brian Margarit <
analyticadvantag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> General question.  Is there a resource-sharing site for published trees?
> I'm just putting the finishing touches on my tree after 5 years of research
> and am self-publishing it for my family.  I'd like to give it to anyone
> that'd like it or send it to an archivist, genealogist etc.  There are over
> 100 photos attached to it ranging from 19thC - Present, plus citations and
> photos of the source material.
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Significant surnames in it:  Noronha, Homen, Soares, Dias, Cordeiro,
> Brasil, Mendonca, Sequiera (Graciosa, Terceira & Sao Jorge)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Brian Margarit]

I forgot to mention - Maria was pregnant at the time of her marriage.  The 
Ponta Delgado locale, I've always assumed, is because the priest in 
Guadalupe wouldnt marry them because of that.  Who knows, though.

On Friday, 24 January 2020 13:03:25 UTC-5, Brian Margarit wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I wish I could've seen this sooner.
>
> I'm still in the process of getting everything together on MyHeritage and 
> can let you know so you can match up.
>
> I have a very abridged timeline for you since I know you have a lot of 
> this information.  This is just base facts for you.
>
> Carpenter
> Born in 1828 (Santa Cruz) died 1887 (Urzelina)
>
> Married Maria Isabel in Ponta Delgado 1849 but they lived in Santa Cruz 
> still.  My grandmother said it was "because no one could marry them on the 
> island".  That's the extent of the reasoning that I know or have found.
>
> Lean crops & small famine in Graciosa and death of their son Joao as a 
> result, prompted their move to Sao Jorge.  The family lore is that they 
> were supposed to go to Faial, but couldn't for some reason.  
>
> Francisco dies in 1887, Urzelina.  My aunt has two photos from 1910 of his 
> gravestone in Sao Mateus cemetery, as well as another Cordeiro that I've 
> never been able to make out the first name or dates for. 
>
> I don't have any information of a Francis Cordeiro, he's not in the 
> records I have of the family.   
>
> If you have any more questions, you know how to reach me.  I'll be going 
> to Sao Jorge, Graciosa and Terceira in two months and will be covering all 
> parishes.
>
> - Brian
>
> On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:31:49 UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Hello Bill,
>>
>> Here is the information:
>>
>> Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas 
>> Terceira, Graciosa e São Jorge | 
>>
>> Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt
>>
>> Margaret v
>>
>> *From: *Bill Seidler
>> *Sent: *January 22, 2020 10:08 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are 
>> the same person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other 
>> possibilities to whatever extent possible. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in 
>> case I don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the 
>> inventory? 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra, Terceira Catalog

[Cheri Mello]

It says it's ALL libraries (the 3 main archives) and some others. I haven't
searched for archival records. Maybe after lunch.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> The Archive in Angra has a new catalog online here:
> https://ccbibliotecas.azores.gov.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl#
> Haven't had time to peruse it all but looks really nice!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Brian Margarit]

Hi Bill,

I wish I could've seen this sooner.

I'm still in the process of getting everything together on MyHeritage and 
can let you know so you can match up.

I have a very abridged timeline for you since I know you have a lot of this 
information.  This is just base facts for you.

Carpenter
Born in 1828 (Santa Cruz) died 1887 (Urzelina)

Married Maria Isabel in Ponta Delgado 1849 but they lived in Santa Cruz 
still.  My grandmother said it was "because no one could marry them on the 
island".  That's the extent of the reasoning that I know or have found.

Lean crops & small famine in Graciosa and death of their son Joao as a 
result, prompted their move to Sao Jorge.  The family lore is that they 
were supposed to go to Faial, but couldn't for some reason.  

Francisco dies in 1887, Urzelina.  My aunt has two photos from 1910 of his 
gravestone in Sao Mateus cemetery, as well as another Cordeiro that I've 
never been able to make out the first name or dates for. 

I don't have any information of a Francis Cordeiro, he's not in the records 
I have of the family.   

If you have any more questions, you know how to reach me.  I'll be going to 
Sao Jorge, Graciosa and Terceira in two months and will be covering all 
parishes.

- Brian

On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 22:31:49 UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Here is the information:
>
> Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas 
> Terceira, Graciosa e São Jorge | 
>
> Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt 
>
> Margaret v
>
> *From: *Bill Seidler 
> *Sent: *January 22, 2020 10:08 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro
>
>  
>
> Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  
>
>  
>
> I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are the 
> same person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other possibilities 
> to whatever extent possible. 
>
>  
>
> I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in 
> case I don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the 
> inventory? 
>
>  
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Cheri Mello]

Autosomal DNA (AncestryDNA, My Heritage, and 23 and Me) transfer to FTDNA
for free and the matching is free. The tools are $19 USD.

Y-DNA does not transfer. FTDNA is the only company that now offers Y-DNA
testing. If someone tested their Y at another company a long time ago, yes,
there is a conversion cost and enough markers have to be purchase to bring
it up to the current standard.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:36 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
> whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
> Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
> the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
> believe.
>
> I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered
> that Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records
> [his father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.
>
> I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated
> to the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
> most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
> grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.
>
> I hope you’re feeling better.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)
>
> Researching:
>
> 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
> Hawaii
>
>
> 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
> San Jose in California
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
> wrote:
>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
>> I would if I could read it better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>>
 Cheri,

 Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
 the site you referenced, thanks.

 On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records
> you've done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.
>
> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Steve,

Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com?  It is free.   I don’t know
whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it.
Your Haplogroup may be a big help.   My husband’s haplogroup is apparently
the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I
believe.

I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered that
Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records [his
father was deceased] in the mid 1800s.   I will keep you in mind.

I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated to
the East Coast.  I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle
most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands
grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898.

I hope you’re feeling better.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

Researching:

1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii


2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and
San Jose in California





On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens 
wrote:

> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>
> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>
> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>
> p.8 #55
> p.20 #181, 182
> p.52 #152
> p.53 #158
> p.59 #223
> p.75 #14
> p.101 #266
> p.102 #273
> p.104 #285
>
> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this.
> I would if I could read it better.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking
>> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's
>> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens  wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search
>>> the site you referenced, thanks.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Hi Steve,

 Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've
 done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the
 naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no
 guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a
 few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so.

 Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for
 the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got
 the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira
 between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza
 and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking
 for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html

 However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as
 Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of
 a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes.

 Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues.
 Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your
 best bet.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens 
 wrote:

> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah
> 19/1 Male Labo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Bill,
Here is the information:
Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroísmo - ilhas Terceira, 
Graciosa e São Jorge | 
Endereço eletrónico: bparah.arqu...@azores.gov.pt
 
Margaret v
From: Bill Seidler
Sent: January 22, 2020 10:08 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  

I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are the same 
person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other possibilities to 
whatever extent possible. 

I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in case I 
don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the inventory? 

Bill 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Bill Seidler]

Hello Margaret, once again thank you very much.  

I am strongly leaning toward concluding that Francis and Francisco are the 
same person, but I would like to feel I have eliminated other possibilities 
to whatever extent possible. 

I am hoping to visit Terceira and São Jorge later this year, but just in 
case I don't make it, can you tell me how I might order a copy of the 
inventory? 

Bill 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[Bill Seidler]

Yes it is the handwritten record.  On the Familysearch.org page you 
provided a link to in your original post, there is a link in a blue field 
on the right that says "browse the film".  I clicked that and browsed until 
I found it on image 405.

This link takes you directly to the image since I already did the browsing 
for you (you must be logged into Familysearch.org) 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-RZR4-R?i=404&cc=2177299

Please let me know if this worked.

Bill

On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 12:46:13 PM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>
> Bill.
> When you say go to page 405, do you mean I should be able to see the 
> handwritten record?  I can't get past the typed record.  What am I doing 
> wrong?
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM > wrote:
>
>> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the 
>> film.  Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this 
>> marriage very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from 
>> Madeira in "Santa Anna" parish.
>> A search of the Madeira archives at 
>> https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:
>>
>>
>>- *Data:* 1876-12-03 
>>- *Local:* Paróquia de Santana 
>>- *FILHO:* Maria 
>>- *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar 
>>- *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas 
>>- *Livro:* 6174-A 
>>- *Folha:* 39 v.º 
>>- *Obs:*
>>
>> There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This child 
>> is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents' names 
>> and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as 
>> "Maria" not "Anna".
>>
>> Hope you find this helpful.
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>>
>>> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>>>
>>> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took 
>>> place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:  
>>> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil   
>>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW 
>>>
>>>
>>> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna 
>>> de JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have 
>>> been tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or 
>>> passport record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR 
>>> found in Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.  
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  
>>>
>>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>> jessdeb...@gmail.com
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR 1870s Brazil from Azores

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill.
When you say go to page 405, do you mean I should be able to see the
handwritten record?  I can't get past the typed record.  What am I doing
wrong?

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 4:57 AM  wrote:

> On the page for the link you provided there is a link to browse the film.
> Click that and navigate to image 405.  It is the record of this marriage
> very clear and legible.  It says your bride's parents are from Madeira in
> "Santa Anna" parish.
> A search of the Madeira archives at
> https://abm.madeira.gov.pt/pesquisa/baptismo/ gives this result:
>
>
>- *Data:* 1876-12-03
>- *Local:* Paróquia de Santana
>- *FILHO:* Maria
>- *Pai:* Simião Joaquim de Aguiar
>- *Mãe:* Ana de Jesus Ornelas
>- *Livro:* 6174-A
>- *Folha:* 39 v.º
>- *Obs:*
>
> There is no other baptism listed for a father with this name.  This child
> is the right age (would have been 20 in Dec 1896) and the parents' names
> and parish match the marriage record.  The name however is listed as
> "Maria" not "Anna".
>
> Hope you find this helpful.
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 7:33:42 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>>
>> Surnames: AGUIAR, de JESUS, MENDONCA
>>
>> Joao Joaquim de MENDONCA married Anna de JESUS de AGUIAR. The event took
>> place on 19 Dec 1898.  The record is in Brazil marriages:
>> São Bento, Araraquara, São Paulo, Brazil
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XN21-QZW
>>
>>
>> The bride’s father was Simiao Joaquim de AGUIAR and her mother was Anna
>> de JESUS, with no other surname (Simiao is a rare first name).   I have
>> been tracing Simiao de AGUIAR back and cannot find a Brazil birth or
>> passport record with his name.  I have had limited possibilities of AGUIAR
>> found in Santana, Madeira and in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Bill,
I have nothing to add except to tell you that you are a masterful
researcher.  The way you connect with people is a lesson in itself.
Debbie

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:58 AM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> Thank you Linda, your insight is always appreciated and helpful.  Sorry
> for the delay in responding.  You are correct that I search for an Azorean
> obit for him.  I looked through 1911 in Urzelina where he last lived and in
> Praia, Graciosa where he was born.  The DNA evidence coupled with the name
> and occupation circumstance seems very compelling.  Another coincidence is
> that the New Bedford Whaling Museum database show that the was a crew
> member on a Whaler in 1867 named Francisco Jose Cordeiro from Sao Jorge,
> Azores, whose job was "cooper".
>
> Attached are timelines of what I have for him in the Azores and what Tony
> (my New Zealand contact) provided from his records.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[JR]

I think that is Joao do Couto, not Jose do Couto. Compare the name with the 
witnesses, where one is Joao Jose and it is identical to the groom's Joao. 
Also this writer has a distinct accent (') tick for José, and a tilde (~) 
for João.

JR

On Monday, January 20, 2020 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *You did not say what his wife’s name was but here is a marriage of a Jose 
> do Couto.  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html
>  
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html>
>  
> *
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Lee, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com   > *On Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy >
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.
>
>  
>
> HI Rob,
>
>  
>
> You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, 
> going one by one. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite  > wrote:
>
> Hi 
>
>  
>
> I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
> Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
>
> He was also married in the same village in 1837. 
>
>  
>
> Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards
>
>  
>
> Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

the spelling is Manilla, two L's.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2020 4:51 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic. It's 
high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were Catholic. Maybe 
someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records. Birth 
records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic Church 
baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at home and 
within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always exceptions), the 
baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized. Since your ancestors 
had already left the Azores, they would have to baptize their baby when they 
arrived in Australia. You need to check the Australian Catholic Church records 
near the port where your ancestors arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many countries 
have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were talking 
Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or 
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival 
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local Family 
History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a Family 
History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 
(Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History Center is. No, 
you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the public like any 
other library, however many have limited hours since they are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I can't remember the percentage of Azoreans who are now Roman Catholic.
It's high. Back in the day, it was probably something like 98% were
Catholic. Maybe someone has those statistics.

At the time period you are speaking about, there are no birth records.
Birth records didn't start until 1911. Before that, we use the Catholic
Church baptisms as our source for birth records. So a baby would be born at
home and within a few days to a week (*typically* - there are always
exceptions), the baby would be taken to the local church to be baptized.
Since your ancestors had already left the Azores, they would have to
baptize their baby when they arrived in Australia. You need to check the
Australian Catholic Church records near the port where your ancestors
arrived.

The Azores islands do have some regional differences, just like many
countries have regional differences.

Farming, fishing were very common and many still do farm or fish now.

Manila? North South West? Is that the Philippines? I thought you were
talking Australia.

For arrival documents, you'd have to check your country (Philippines or
Australia or whatever you are talking about) and ask about their arrival
records or immigration records. A local genealogy society or your local
Family History Center should be able to help you. If you don't know what a
Family History Center is, look up Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints (Mormons) and call them and ask where the nearest Family History
Center is. No, you don't have to be Mormon/LDS to use it. It is open to the
public like any other library, however many have limited hours since they
are run by volunteers.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
> and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
> hmmm, ok.
> just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own
> "characteristics" or "traits"?
> also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
> were there may farming families back then?
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. Yo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

well, apparently he was a roman catholic.
and birth records are kept in Lisbon?
hmmm, ok.
just wondering about the Azores, does each island have its own 
"characteristics" or "traits"?
also, I do know that he owned a farm near manilla, here in nsw.
were there may farming families back then?


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 11:10 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

what arrival documents?
who has those?
this is amusing because no one in my family seems to know about this.



From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Pamela 
Hand 
Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2020 12:48 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone 
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an 
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as 
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or 
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which 
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the coast of 
Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why didn't they turn 
back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The could have caught the 
next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the same time?!?! No thank you, 
I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be 
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping. The 
records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was born on a 
boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized, which would be a 
Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
mailto:poppymayf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your 
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial, one 
of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records for 
births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records for 
births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing there 
would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and therefore could 
be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
mailto:anthony.silve...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Cheri 
Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I would look through the marriages in Sao Jose as there are much less records 
to look at. 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

 

HI Rob,

 

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, going 
one by one. 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite mailto:rwhait...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi 

 

I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .

He was also married in the same village in 1837. 

 

Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!

 

Kind Regards

 

Rob

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

You did not say what his wife’s name was but here is a marriage of a Jose do 
Couto.  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1835-1843_item1/P26.html
 

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 12:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

 

HI Rob,

 

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada, going 
one by one. 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite mailto:rwhait...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi 

 

I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .

He was also married in the same village in 1837. 

 

Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!

 

Kind Regards

 

Rob

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto Jose.

[Cheri Mello]

HI Rob,

You would just poke through the Sao Jose church obitos in Ponta Delgada,
going one by one.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:13 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to see if the above Jose Do Couto born 1814 Sao Jose,Ponta
> Delgada,Sao Miguel perhaps died there .
> He was also married in the same village in 1837.
>
> Even if you can just guide me in the right direction would be good!
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Rob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho surname

[':' via Azores Genealogy]

I have several Evangelho's in my family tree from Pico.
In a message dated 1/18/2020 8:27:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
margaridaldasi...@gmail.com writes:

I think my great grandfather is related here Manuel DaCosta GG

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho surname

['Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks for writing.  Would you mind providing me with some more info.  I am 
unable to access my original email to you. Could you forward it or cut and 
paste into an email for me, so I can put your email comment in context?  I 
would appreciate it.
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 08:27:34 PM PST, Margarida DaSilva 
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 I think my great grandfather is related here Manuel DaCosta GG

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

Hi Debbie,

You're very welcome :)

I'll keep my fingers crossed for your search today! 

best of luck,

Linda

On Sunday, January 19, 2020 at 9:34:13 AM UTC-8, Jesse Mendonca wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the 
> examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to 
> Brazil today, with your helpful advice.  Wish me luck!
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) 
>
> *Researching:*
>
> *1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and 
> PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, 
> Hawaii*
>
>
> *2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other 
> places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro, 
> California*
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM linda > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and 
>> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>>
>> ***
>> Reading the Passport Lists:
>>
>> Headings at the top of the page are
>>
>> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>>
>> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
>> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
>> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
>> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>>
>> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
>> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
>> will also see ditto marks such as
>>
>> "
>> or 
>>
>> ~ " ~ 
>>
>> or 
>>
>> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   
>>
>> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final 
>> destination, such as California, or sometimes state their port of 
>> disembarkation, such as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any 
>> US destination page, just in case.
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
>> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   
>>
>> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
>> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>>
>> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
>> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
>> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
>> America pela ilha da Fayal"].  
>>
>> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
>> generally follows a standard format.
>>
>> page 101 #266:
>>
>> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
>> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
>> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
>> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 
>>
>> Translation:
>>
>> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
>> 43 years [old], property owner
>> native of the village of S[ao]
>> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>>
>> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
>> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
>> Manuel.
>>
>>
>> Page 8 #55:
>>  
>> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
>> ges, casado, proprietario, 
>> natural da freguesia das
>> L?, d'esta ilha, de
>> 71 annos.
>>
>> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
>> married, property owner
>> native of the village of 
>> L?,  of this island,
>> 71 years [old].
>>
>> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not 
>> your Manuel either.
>>
>> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
>> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
>> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
>> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>>
>> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look 
>> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>>
>> best of luck in your research,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
>>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
>>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
>>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
>>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
>>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
>>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>>
>>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
>>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
>>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
>>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
>>> World and have found that to be a was

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

 Hi Steve,

You're very welcome!  

To answer your question: The link Cheri provided goes directly to the 
records from Angra do Heroismo, Terceira.   Since the obit for your Manuel 
de Sousa stated that he was born in Terceira, that's the most likely place 
to find his passport record.  There are three sets of passport lists for 
the Azores, Angra (Terceira), Horta (Faial), and Ponta Delgada (Sao 
Miguel).  This link will allow you to select any of the three record sets:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/Default.aspx


Cheri's advice to get as much information out of the available US records 
is extremely valuable and can save a lot of time in the end.  If possible, 
I would follow up on the 1919 naturalization lead and make sure that it's 
exhausted.  Some of the actual records are viewable online.  I'd also look 
for Manuel's WWI draft record which would have asked for birthplace-- 
sometimes the info is specific to village, but often it's as general as 
"Portugal" :(   In addition to Ancestry.com, have you tried 
FamilySearch.org?  They have different strengths and I sometimes find 
FamilySearch to be more productive.

best of luck in your research,

Linda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Linda,

This is so helpful for all of us.Thank you for the explanation and the
examples. I am going to try the João Joaquim Mendonca passports to
Brazil today, with your helpful advice.  Wish me luck!

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

(jessdebmendonca at gmail.com)

*Researching:*

*1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and
PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii,
Hawaii*


*2. Mendonca and Aguiar Surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other
places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi. Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland and San Leandro,
California*



On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and
> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>
> ***
> Reading the Passport Lists:
>
> Headings at the top of the page are
>
> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>
> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital
> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include
> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.
> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>
> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport
> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you
> will also see ditto marks such as
>
> "
> or
>
> ~ " ~
>
> or
>
> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".
>
> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination,
> such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such
> as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page,
> just in case.
>
>
> **
>
> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would
> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.
>
> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are
> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>
> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to
> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon;
> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da
> America pela ilha da Fayal"].
>
> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information
> generally follows a standard format.
>
> page 101 #266:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira
>
> Translation:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> 43 years [old], property owner
> native of the village of S[ao]
> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>
> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath
> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your
> Manuel.
>
>
> Page 8 #55:
>
> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
> ges, casado, proprietario,
> natural da freguesia das
> L?, d'esta ilha, de
> 71 annos.
>
> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
> married, property owner
> native of the village of
> L?,  of this island,
> 71 years [old].
>
> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not
> your Manuel either.
>
> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and
> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US
> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in
> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>
> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look
> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>
> best of luck in your research,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole boo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[Steve Stevens]

Linda,

Thank you so much for taking the time to look at them and help me. Now I 
know that the numbers were age, that will help a lot. I knew the 
destination, but have q hard time read what it says. Since I am half way 
through the book, you know I will have more for you to help with. LOL! One 
general question, are these all the passports issued for Portugal or just 
the Azores or just a particular island.

Thanks again. 

On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 3:07:41 PM UTC-5, linda wrote:
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and 
> vocabulary are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.
>
> ***
> Reading the Passport Lists:
>
> Headings at the top of the page are
>
> Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination
>
> The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
> status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
> additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
> These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.
>
> The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
> holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
> will also see ditto marks such as
>
> "
> or 
>
> ~ " ~ 
>
> or 
>
> "Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   
>
> It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination, 
> such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such 
> as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page, 
> just in case.
>
>
> **
>
> I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
> be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   
>
> Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
> all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.
>
> Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
> Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
> passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
> America pela ilha da Fayal"].  
>
> Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
> generally follows a standard format.
>
> page 101 #266:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
> rio, natural de freguesia de S.
> Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 
>
> Translation:
>
> Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
> 43 years [old], property owner
> native of the village of S[ao]
> Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira
>
> This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
> "Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
> Manuel.
>
>
> Page 8 #55:
>  
> Manoel de Sousa Bor-
> ges, casado, proprietario, 
> natural da freguesia das
> L?, d'esta ilha, de
> 71 annos.
>
> Manoel de Sousa Borges,
> married, property owner
> native of the village of 
> L?,  of this island,
> 71 years [old].
>
> This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not 
> your Manuel either.
>
> You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
> you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
> destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
> age to your target Manuel de Sousa.
>
> If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look 
> at them and help you to narrow the list.
>
> best of luck in your research,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>>
>> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
>> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
>> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
>> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
>> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
>> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
>> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>>
>> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
>> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
>> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
>> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
>> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>>
>> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 
>> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and 
>> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>>
>> p.8 #55
>> p.20 #181, 182
>> p.52 #152
>> p.53 #158
>> p.59 #223
>> p.75 #14
>> p.101 #266
>> p.102 #273
>> p.104 #285
>>
>> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. 
>> I would if I could read it better.
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting
point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
>> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
>> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
>> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
>> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism
>> records for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am
>> guessing there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841,
>> and therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
>> Hopefully someone can help.
>> Pam
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver <
>> anthony.silve...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thankyou Cheri.
>>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>>
>>> Anthony S,
>>>
>>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>>
>>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>>
>>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>>> the 1900s.
>>>
>>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>>> the puzzle.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Souza/Sousa Genealogy Help

[linda]

Hi Steve,

I'll help you learn to read the passport records.   The data and vocabulary 
are limited; all it just takes is a little practice.

***
Reading the Passport Lists:

Headings at the top of the page are

Passport Number;Date (Month, Day);  Name of Bearer;   Destination

The  information for each passport holder usually includes name, marital 
status, occupation, birth location, and age.  It may also include 
additional people traveling with in the care of the main passport holder.  
These may be dependent children, elderly parents; minor siblings or wives.

The passports seem mostly grouped by departing ship-- groups of passport 
holders all going to the same location.  In addition to place names, you 
will also see ditto marks such as

"
or 

~ " ~ 

or 

"Idem" which is Latin for "the same".   

It seems to me that US passengers sometimes state their final destination, 
such as California, or sometimes state their port of disembarkation, such 
as Boston.  So, I like to check all  the names on any US destination page, 
just in case.


**

I believe you're looking for an immigrant to the US, so my strategy would 
be to first scan the destinations looking for US locations.   

Passengers on [web] pages 8, 20, 52, 53, 59, 75, 102, 104 passengers are 
all going to Brasil-- mostly Rio de Janeiro.

Passengers on [web] page 101 are a mixed lot. They are mostly going to 
Brazil; some are going directly, but some are going indirectly via Lisbon; 
passport number 259 is going to the US by way of Faial ["Estados Unidos da 
America pela ilha da Fayal"].  

Let's look at a couple of the entries more closely.  The information 
generally follows a standard format.

page 101 #266:

Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
de 43 annos, casado, proprieta-
rio, natural de freguesia de S.
Sebastiao, d'esta ilha Terceira 

Translation:

Manuel de Sousa do Rigo
43 years [old], property owner
native of the village of S[ao]
Sebastiao, of this island of Terceira

This Manuel de Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro [it says "Idem" beneath 
"Rio de Janeiro" in the destination column], and he's too old to be your 
Manuel.


Page 8 #55:
 
Manoel de Sousa Bor-
ges, casado, proprietario, 
natural da freguesia das
L?, d'esta ilha, de
71 annos.

Manoel de Sousa Borges,
married, property owner
native of the village of 
L?,  of this island,
71 years [old].

This Manuel Sousa is going to Rio de Janeiro, and he's 71, so he's not your 
Manuel either.

You did great in identifying a list of potential Manuel de Sousas, and 
you'll be able to go through the pages more quickly by scanning for US 
destinations, then narrowing the candidates down to those who are closer in 
age to your target Manuel de Sousa.

If you post a few more possible candidates, I'll be happy to have a look at 
them and help you to narrow the list.

best of luck in your research,

Linda


On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 8:51:02 AM UTC-8, Steve Stevens wrote:
>
> I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and 
> taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming 
> from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents 
> changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great 
> grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got 
> there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he 
> died. So I never had a chance to be "right."
>
> The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the 
> family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The 
> Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention 
> right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry 
> World and have found that to be a waste for me.
>
> Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 
> as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and 
> found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will:
>
> p.8 #55
> p.20 #181, 182
> p.52 #152
> p.53 #158
> p.59 #223
> p.75 #14
> p.101 #266
> p.102 #273
> p.104 #285
>
> Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. 
> I would if I could read it better.
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!

If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
> for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
> there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
> therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
> Hopefully someone can help.
> Pam
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> Thankyou Cheri.
>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>
>> --
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>
>> Anthony S,
>>
>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>
>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>
>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>> the 1900s.
>>
>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>> the puzzle.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>
> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
> the 1900s.
>
> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
> the puzzle.
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Bill Seidler]

Thanks for the suggestion Cheri.  Is this what you meant (I'm a newbie at 
genealogy software).

Bill

On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Bill S,
>
> Can you also attach a family group sheet for this family? It would make it 
> a bit easier to follow. Thanks! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:45 PM Bill Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and 
>> offer me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather 
>> left the Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.  
>>
>> He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is 
>> the father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not 
>> say he was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.  
>> If my theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also 
>> mentioned as the paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children 
>> of his son João.  His first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in 
>> Sacramento, CA under the name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an 
>> infant.
>>
>> He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that 
>> she is still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is 
>> leaving two sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for 
>> their children.
>>
>> Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image 
>> attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the 
>> one doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were 
>> present?  If the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was 
>> already married to someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New 
>> Zealand, Francis Joseph (who I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported 
>> that he was married before but was widowed. 
>>
>> My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New 
>> Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's 
>> father on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of 
>> Francis Joseph in New Zealand.
>>
>> I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José 
>> Cordeiro to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list 
>> for any that would be willing to help me sort this out.
>>
>>
>> His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting 
>> just below top right).
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>>
>>
>> His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts 
>> bottom left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>>
>>
>> First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom 
>> right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>>
>>
>> Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>>
>>
>> Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>>
>>
>> Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html
>>
>>
>> Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html
>>
>>
>> Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Cheri Mello]

Bill S,

Can you also attach a family group sheet for this family? It would make it
a bit easier to follow. Thanks! Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:45 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and
> offer me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather
> left the Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.
>
> He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is
> the father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not
> say he was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.
> If my theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also
> mentioned as the paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children
> of his son João.  His first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in
> Sacramento, CA under the name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an
> infant.
>
> He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that
> she is still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is
> leaving two sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for
> their children.
>
> Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image
> attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the
> one doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were
> present?  If the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was
> already married to someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New
> Zealand, Francis Joseph (who I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported
> that he was married before but was widowed.
>
> My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New
> Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's
> father on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of
> Francis Joseph in New Zealand.
>
> I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José
> Cordeiro to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list
> for any that would be willing to help me sort this out.
>
>
> His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting
> just below top right).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>
>
> His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts
> bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>
>
> First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom
> right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>
>
> Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>
>
> Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>
>
> Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html
>
>
> Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Anthony Silver]

what are the names in that second column ?

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Bill 
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Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and offer 
me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather left the 
Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.

He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is the 
father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not say he 
was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.  If my 
theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also mentioned as the 
paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children of his son João.  His 
first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in Sacramento, CA under the 
name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an infant.

He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that she is 
still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is leaving two 
sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for their children.

Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image 
attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the one 
doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were present?  If 
the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was already married to 
someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New Zealand, Francis Joseph (who 
I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported that he was married before but 
was widowed.

My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New 
Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's father 
on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of Francis Joseph 
in New Zealand.

I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José Cordeiro 
to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list for any that 
would be willing to help me sort this out.



His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting just 
below top right).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html


His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts bottom 
left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html


First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html


Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html


Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html


Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html


Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html


Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html


Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


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Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there.
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia,
but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want
the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they
couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record
for me. You need a location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

They have so much stuff on it is easy to get carried away on it. There are 
recording going back to the very early days of recordings. Speeches from 
Theodore Roosevelt to early jazz, ethnic music, popular music up to the current 
day, they have it.

 

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Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

 

I didn't know we had a "National Juke Box." That's cool!


Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM Richard Francis Pimentel 
mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box) has a 
number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great uncle has 
several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be listened to, he 
(Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.   http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/ 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings

Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney Cowell. She 
was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell. 

https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't know we had a "National Juke Box." That's cool!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box)
> has a number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great
> uncle has several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be
> listened to, he (Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.
> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Steve Peters
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:15 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings
>
> Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney
> Cowell. She was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell.
>
> https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Mary]

I will take a look thank you

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 1:31:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> The names in Portuguese are Anna Lourenço and Jose Simões or possibly 
> Simas.
>
> You can try running Jose Simões and then Jose Simas through the CITCEM-GHP 
> site married to an Anna Anybody. However, it only has 13 of the 16 parishes 
> of Pico: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
>
> You also need to get their deaths, all censuses, obits, anything you can 
> find in the U.S. For a list of suggestions, try this:
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little 
>> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
>> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant 
>> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
>> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel 
>> kind of lost.
>>
>> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph 
>> in Azores I'm stuck.
>>
>> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph 
>> Simmons born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
>> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George 
>> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>>
>> Thank you in advance 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto name.

[Rob Whaite]

That's fine,thank you very much.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 5:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Rob W,
>
> I'd say the name would be medium in how common it is. It may be more
> common in some areas than others though.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Dear Cheri
>>
>> Thankyou very much for your assistance thus far and I really appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> I would be interested to know whether Do Couto is a common name in
>> Portugal?
>>
>> I am interested in doing a little more research, but if the name is
>> fairly common it will be "Needle in the haystack" stuff.
>>
>> I have been very lucky so far but maybe I have come to to the end of it
>> ,but you never know?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rob
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box) has a 
number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great uncle has 
several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be listened to, he 
(Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.   http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/ 

-Original Message-
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To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings

Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney Cowell. She 
was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell. 

https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony S,

The Azores are divided into 3 districts. So which island again? And you are
searching before 1911 (before 1905 on most of Sao Miguel), correct?
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:25 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> that's what the ossuary look like.
> hmmm, I think I have seen something like that here in Australia.
> so, regarding the archive, where would I go for those?
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:41 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
>> Susan
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
>> exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>>
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>>
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
>>> custom?
>>>
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
>>> ossuary.
>>>
>>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the
>>> list to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass
>>> grave of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the
>>> same cemetery. There was a fee.
>>>
>>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
>>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com

 Anthony said:
 << is the Ossuary a building ?>>

 It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
 Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
 Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
 tab):
 https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary

 The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in
 that case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen
 one in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the
 archives. I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no
 longer in marked graves.

 Hope this helps,
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

that's what the ossuary look like.
hmmm, I think I have seen something like that here in Australia.
so, regarding the archive, where would I go for those?


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 7:41 AM 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
> Susan
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
> exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima 
> wrote:
>
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>
>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>
>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
>> custom?
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
>> ossuary.
>>
>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list
>> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave
>> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same
>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>>
>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
>>
>> Thanks
>> Monica
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Anthony said:
>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>>
>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>>> tab):
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>>>
>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
>>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
>>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
>>> graves.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
Susan 

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 Hello, 
 
 I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
 ossuary.
 
 My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
 to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
 of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
 cemetery. There was a fee.
 
 I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
 blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
 
 Thanks
 Monica
 
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
> 
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
> 
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
> tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
> 
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
> marked graves.
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Hair lasts a long time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 Hello, 
 
 I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
 ossuary.
 
 My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
 to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
 of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
 cemetery. There was a fee.
 
 I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
 blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
 
 https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
 
 Thanks
 Monica
 
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
> 
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
> 
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
> tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
> 
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
> marked graves.
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always
exceptions. So sorry your cousin saw that.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:

> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you Monica for the image.
>
> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more
> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>
> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins
> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on
> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me
> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I
> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s
> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair
> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family
> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i
> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to
> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this
> custom?
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
>
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an
> ossuary.
>
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list
> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave
> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same
> cemetery. There was a fee.
>
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being
> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
>
> Thanks
> Monica
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com
>>
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images
>> tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>>
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked
>> graves.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Maria Lima]

Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Monica for the image.
> 
> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
> what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
> 
> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
> us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that 
> he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 
> 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my 
> great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad 
> because he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was 
> recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to 
> be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it 
> would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have 
> any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this custom?
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy   
> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
>> 
>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
>> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
>> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>> 
>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
>> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Monica
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> Anthony said:
>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>> 
>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>>> 
>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>>> graves.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps, 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you Monica for the image.

I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.

Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that he 
witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 1960s 
and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my great 
grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad because 
he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was recognizable to him. 
His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to be present. I was so 
sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it would be such a painful 
experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have any of you heard that there 
(used to be at least) this custom?

Susan Vargas Murphy   

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
> 
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
> cemetery. There was a fee.
> 
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3&theater
> 
> Thanks
> Monica
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>> 
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>> 
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ossuary
>> 
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>> graves.
>> 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto name.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Rob W,

I'd say the name would be medium in how common it is. It may be more common
in some areas than others though.
Cheri Mello
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:

> Dear Cheri
>
> Thankyou very much for your assistance thus far and I really appreciate it.
>
> I would be interested to know whether Do Couto is a common name in
> Portugal?
>
> I am interested in doing a little more research, but if the name is fairly
> common it will be "Needle in the haystack" stuff.
>
> I have been very lucky so far but maybe I have come to to the end of it
> ,but you never know?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Eric AR Edgar]

Mary,

In Portuguese records you're likely looking for Jose Simao and Ana da
Gloria Lourenco

try this site for Pico   http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little
> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant
> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel kind
> of lost.
>
> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph
> in Azores I'm stuck.
>
> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph Simmons
> born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George
> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>
> Thank you in advance
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Mary,

The names in Portuguese are Anna Lourenço and Jose Simões or possibly Simas.

You can try running Jose Simões and then Jose Simas through the CITCEM-GHP
site married to an Anna Anybody. However, it only has 13 of the 16 parishes
of Pico: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html

You also need to get their deaths, all censuses, obits, anything you can
find in the U.S. For a list of suggestions, try this:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little
> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant
> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel kind
> of lost.
>
> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph
> in Azores I'm stuck.
>
> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph Simmons
> born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George
> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>
> Thank you in advance
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I thought I acknowledged the error in my earlier comments. How it got there 
I don't recall. I just made some other corrections taken from the Ribeira 
Quente casamentos index.

Bottom line, check your files against the records if you want to be 
accurate.

JR 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:10:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca 
> Rosa de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his 
> genealogy program because he wrote this:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Great! I will see if I can find it. If there are quite a few participants at 
least it’s something! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the Azores 
> DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek 
>>  wrote:
>> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
>> about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
>> inquiry.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Sherry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cheri.
>>> 
>>> whats an ossuary? 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
>>> Mello 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>>>  
>>> Hi Anthony,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
>>> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>>> 
>>> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family 
>>> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains 
>>> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. 
>>> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find 
>>> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>>> 
>>> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. 
>>> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all 
>>> related.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the
Azores DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the
> price about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth
> another inquiry.
>
> Thank you,
> Sherry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
inquiry.

Thank you,
Sherry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
> 
> whats an ossuary? 
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>  
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
> 
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
> been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are 
> left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every 
> freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But 
> your relatives may not be there.
> 
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
> they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa
de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his
genealogy program because he wrote this:
[image: image.png]

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Cheri,


Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:  Maria and 
Virginia are daughters of Joao Lima and Francesco Rose de Mello (herself, 
the daughter of Manoel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia Linhares.   Antonio 
and Maira share the same great grandfather, Francisco de Mello Barboza and 
Anna Esperito.Santa.  (which has created some convolutions on Ancestry with 
me tree!)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Elaine 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 1:45:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello 
> Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the 
> previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa 
> was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted 
> that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
>
> Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
>> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
>> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
>> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
>> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>>
>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

An ossuary is where the bones of the dead (from many people) are
deposited.  It solves the space problem for burial on the islands.  Seven
years after the original burial, bones are dug up and put into the church
depository called an ossuary.  If a family wanted to continue to pay for
the burial site, they could keep the plot longer.

Debbie


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> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
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> Cheri Mello 
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> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

It's a place to put the bones.

Merriam-Webster says: a depository for the bones of the dead
Dictionary.com says: a place or receptacle for the bones of the dead

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:02 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
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> Cheri Mello 
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> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

Thanks Cheri.

whats an ossuary?

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are left 
7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every freguesia 
now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But your 
relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

questions for anyone who may happen to know the answer/s: 

are there any ports in azores, that still exist, from the 1800's ? 

where in Azores would I find any graves for the parents of my great 
grandfather ? 

and, is the surname of da silva common in azores; are they all related to 
each other?  




On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:28:31 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> wow Pam, that's, incredible.
> I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet. 
> unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of 
> Catherine's sons. 
> apparently he died at sea in 1909. 
> Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line. 
> wow. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
>> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia 
>>> on Sao Miguel island. 
>>>
>>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from 
>>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle 
>>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel. 
>>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the 
>>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Anthony

 There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 
 Aug 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) 
 Nowland in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: 
 Francis Laurence and Paul James Silver.

 This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing 
 his birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the 
 captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I 
 would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However 
 the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on 
 the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of 
 Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the 
 village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra 
 could help here. 

 To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need 
 to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time 
 of 
 his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups 
 genealogists.  

 The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on 
 www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. 
 You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.

 Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if 
 you wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very 
 similar 
 timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
 Pam
  


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 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's 
> sometime.
> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand  
> wrote:
>
>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give 
>> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x 
>> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It 
>> also 
>> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where 
>> he 
>> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. 
>> They 
>> are always very helpful.
>>
>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia 
>> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were 
>> often 
>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was 
>> a 
>> hard life on these ships.
>>
>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. 
>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as 
>> Cheri 
>> has already suggested.
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Pam .. 
>>>
>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sur

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

[E. Sharp]

Elaine,

Myself and Celeste have researched mainland Portugal.  Many of the records are 
now online now even some passportes records and Joao Ventura from Portugal (not 
the Azores one) is still adding to them. You will need area of Lisboa he/she 
came from same as Azores research.  I did personally go to the archives in 
Lisbon a couple of times quite a few years ago. I did manage to meet my large 
family still living in Lisboa and hosted a family reunion at our hotel twice 
andstill keep in contact with them.  I don’t think there is a Portugal list 
anymore but others on this list might be able to reach out to you to help. 
Check out tombo.pt website.  

“E”

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello
Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the
previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa
was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted
that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the
> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio
> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905
> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco
> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

This list is for researching the 9 Azores islands. However, we have a few
people who have researched the mainland who might be able to help you. The
research strategy is the same. You need the village over there. Here's a
how-to on getting started, written from an Azorean slant. Just change
everything to Portugal in you mind:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:06 AM Elaine Silvia  wrote:

> Joao Jacob is my father. He was born in Lisbon. I have his his birth and
> death dates. He did immigrate to the U.S. and died here. His father was
> Joao Jacob and his mother was Geraldine Alves. He supposedly came from a
> large family. Any help or advice is welcome.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
(or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Of course the baptism date for Francisco should be 1859.

JR

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual 
> than most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there 
> is certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.
>
> JR
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html
>
> Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
> and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
> filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
> certified, sept 3- 1895
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> hi Cheri,
>>>
>>
>>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
>> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
>> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
>> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
>> mystery there. 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual than 
most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there is 
certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.

JR

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html

Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
certified, sept 3- 1895

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> hi Cheri,
>>
>
>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
> mystery there. 
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

>
> hi Cheri,
>

   I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
mystery there. 

Thanks for the info.

Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks JR, but I'm not related to Claudina. Shirley might want them though.
Cheri Mello
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM JR  wrote:

> I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to
> send them?
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to send 
them? 

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I don't even have Claudina's date of birth. I have her dad b. 28 Jan 1832
(bapt 5 Feb) in RQ. I have her mom born as c. 1817. Maybe that
approximation came from the marriage?

I have only 2 siblings for Claudina.
1) Maria (marries as Maria de Jesus Silva) b. 26 Dec 1855 RQ and bapt on
the 30th. She married 7 Feb 1877 in RQ to Joao de Sousa. They had a Maria
b. 25 May 1879 in RQ and baptized 2 June.
2) Pulqueira (spelled as Pulcheria), b. 5 May 1871 RQ and bapt. on the 9th.

That's all that I have on the siblings. I'm not related on this line. I
think the work was Shirley Allegre's.
Hope this helps, Cheri
Cheri Mello
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine M,
>
> The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
> has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
> It's in the back of the directory.
>
> I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
> think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
> connect to you way back).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine M,

The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
It's in the back of the directory.

I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
connect to you way back).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[storytellerhi]

Hi Cheri,

 

Sorry about that. Betty Bolin is B222474. Let me see if the email for FTDNA 
forwards. I think I needed a different one for each person.

 

Thank you Cheri

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:38 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

 

Hi Sherry S,

 

The email you post under here is not the same email that you have registered to 
your mother's kit.

 

Also, I do not see a difference in the kit numbers between your mother and 
aunt. The kit numbers are identical.

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:36 AM Sherry Phillips Swatek mailto:storytelle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

My mother is there.

Beth B215273 B. Coones

We are in all databases. I thought I was part of the project and that’s why I 
have the emails. It lists her in Azores Island and Iberian Peninsula projects. 
I will research and see  if I missed something.

Thanks for your assistance!

Her maternal Aunt is Betty Bolin B215273 and I use this to try to filter for 
paternal only.

 

In My Heritage she is listed as Mary Beth Coones (Born Phelan)

 

Beth Coones on 23 and me

 

Ancestry-Mary Beth  Phelan Coones or Mbcoones ancestry

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Sherry,

 

If you tested with FTDNA, you need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can 
look. If you have not tested at FTDNA, you need to download your raw data and 
upload it to FTDNA as well as My Heritage. You need to fish in as many ponds as 
you can with your (or your mom's) DNA. 

 

Once I see your matches, I can tell you if you are matching Vila Franca 
researchers.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:35 PM Cheri Mello mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com <http://gmail.com> 

 

Hi Azores researchers,

 

My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 1900.(pure 
guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and is definitely 
his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after getting nowhere. He 
also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria Da Paixo Martins. He 
had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta Delgado 2007,and 
Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, Silvina de Jesus 
martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have been different mothers. 
The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.

 

Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are fourth 
cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other family for 
testing at this time.

Thank you,

Sherry

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

It's always the computer's fault!

Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
the help you've gen so far has been great.

Elaine 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[JR]

No luck this time. I don't have any Moreira's in late Vila Franca. It's not 
that common but there are some.

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:50:10 AM UTC-5, Mara wrote:
>
> JR, good Morning 
> Do you have any Moreira families from Vila Franca do Campo?  This Moreira 
> may be from there because the mentioned place is  S Miguel Arcanjo which to 
> me points to Vila Franca.
> Margaret V.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:33 AM, JR > wrote:
>
> I see the name Maiato. This name has its origins and appears in Ribeira 
> Grande in larger numbers than elsewhere. There is also a branch in Rabo de 
> Peixe. Moreira also appears frequently in Ribeira Grande.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:35:41 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>>
>>  
>>
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and 
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after 
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria 
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta 
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, 
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have 
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao 
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are 
>> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other 
>> family for testing at this time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Sherry
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Sherry S,

The email you post under here is not the same email that you have
registered to your mother's kit.

Also, I do not see a difference in the kit numbers between your mother and
aunt. The kit numbers are identical.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:36 AM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mother is there.
> Beth B215273 B. Coones
> We are in all databases. I thought I was part of the project and that’s
> why I have the emails. It lists her in Azores Island and Iberian Peninsula
> projects. I will research and see  if I missed something.
> Thanks for your assistance!
> Her maternal Aunt is Betty Bolin B215273 and I use this to try to filter
> for paternal only.
>
> In My Heritage she is listed as Mary Beth Coones (Born Phelan)
>
> Beth Coones on 23 and me
>
> Ancestry-Mary Beth  Phelan Coones or Mbcoones ancestry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Sherry,
>
> If you tested with FTDNA, you need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can
> look. If you have not tested at FTDNA, you need to download your raw data
> and upload it to FTDNA as well as My Heritage. You need to fish in as many
> ponds as you can with your (or your mom's) DNA.
>
> Once I see your matches, I can tell you if you are matching Vila Franca
> researchers.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>>
>>
>>
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato,
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are
>> fourth cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other
>> family for testing at this time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Sherry
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Moreira b. 1868, Sao Miguel island

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

My mother is there.
Beth B215273 B. Coones
We are in all databases. I thought I was part of the project and that’s why I 
have the emails. It lists her in Azores Island and Iberian Peninsula projects. 
I will research and see  if I missed something.
Thanks for your assistance!
Her maternal Aunt is Betty Bolin B215273 and I use this to try to filter for 
paternal only.

In My Heritage she is listed as Mary Beth Coones (Born Phelan)

Beth Coones on 23 and me

Ancestry-Mary Beth  Phelan Coones or Mbcoones ancestry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sherry,
> 
> If you tested with FTDNA, you need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can 
> look. If you have not tested at FTDNA, you need to download your raw data and 
> upload it to FTDNA as well as My Heritage. You need to fish in as many ponds 
> as you can with your (or your mom's) DNA. 
> 
> Once I see your matches, I can tell you if you are matching Vila Franca 
> researchers.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:35 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Repost for Sherry, storytellerhi at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Azores researchers,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My mother’s father was about 50% Portuguese and his father came from Sao 
>> Miguel, Azores. I posted before he was Joao Moreira who changed his name to 
>> John Morin born 1868.  He lived in RI and Massachusetts while married to 
>> Josephine Levitre. He is related to a Joao Bento Moreira born about 
>> 1900.(pure guess) My closest and only second cousin match is Joao Bento and 
>> is definitely his ggrandfather. So this is where I am searching now after 
>> getting nowhere. He also lived in Montreal, Canada and was married to Maria 
>> Da Paixo Martins. He had these children Olimpio Moreira b 1934  d in Ponta 
>> Delgado 2007,and Josephina Moreira Mederios born 1929, Gennoveva Maiato, 
>> Silvina de Jesus martins Silva all from the matches tree. There may have 
>> been different mothers. The match reports Joao Bento Moreira was from Sao 
>> Miguel Arcanjo, Azores.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks for taking a look at my long shot. The rest of my matches are fourth 
>> cousins and this match is not willing to put us in touch with other family 
>> for testing at this time.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
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