RE: [backstage] Enabling NVIDIA GPU acceleration on iPlayer videos...
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 14:00 +, Christopher Woods wrote: ... and I specifically download using the --raw flag to avoid any transcoding. The test files themselves remain as-is as .flv files and I can just drop them into MPC, VLC or smplayer (etc) for playback. get_iplayer doesn't attempt any transcoding of video - it just remuxes the flv into mp4. - Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Yes, just noticed that 'Points West' hasn't made it into iPlayer yet. I believe that even the national news @1/6/10 lives only 24hrs. The ones I did look at: Look North, South Today, BBC London News and North West Tonight seem all to be coming out daily on weekdays since 6th/7th Sept (except BBC London News which has been on iPlayer since 21st April). - Phil On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 16:05 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote: Thanks for noticing, have passed your comments on. It seems that they’re not all live yet, but more are on the way. There is a different schedule for regional news, i.e. they only seem to get 24 hours to live and aren’t published daily. Anyone know any more than that? Gavin On 11/09/2010 18:38, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: Well it would seem that my local news, 'South Today', has started being available in iPlayer since 7th September :-) Thanks to whoever made that happen! BTW: Seems that other weekday regional news programmes have also started appearing. Best Regards Phil On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:17 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote: On 01/09/2010 12:01, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 15:25, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi Phil, Jim et al You be already aware of this but the BBC proposed a local video service last year. The proposal was rejected by the Trust following public consultation. One of the key concerns was about the Œadverse impact on the market¹. You can read a full explanation from the Trust here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/pvt/local_video_proposal.shtml So while there would be (minor) technical issues involved in delivering local video on bbc.co.uk, they haven¹t been explored because there isn¹t a remit to provide the service. It's worth stressing that the PVT referred to above covered a new £68m service which goes somewhat over and above the existing output from the regions (though I suspect extended versions of material which is edited down for broadcast would fall under that remit). As the Trust says: Within the bounds of existing service licences, the BBC offers regional news on television, local radio and local websites. Programming from the BBC's television services can be shown on the internet. Hunting through /programmes, it seems as hit and miss as suggested earlier. e.g., Points West: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9 versus Reporting Scotland: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj3s That's correct, the PVT was a new content proposal. Actually it seems as simple as Nations TV bulletins are on iplayer but the (English) Regions aren't. I think we probably need someone who has greater involvement with iplayer to be certain. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Well it would seem that my local news, 'South Today', has started being available in iPlayer since 7th September :-) Thanks to whoever made that happen! BTW: Seems that other weekday regional news programmes have also started appearing. Best Regards Phil On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:17 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote: On 01/09/2010 12:01, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 15:25, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi Phil, Jim et al You be already aware of this but the BBC proposed a local video service last year. The proposal was rejected by the Trust following public consultation. One of the key concerns was about the Œadverse impact on the market¹. You can read a full explanation from the Trust here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/pvt/local_video_proposal.shtml So while there would be (minor) technical issues involved in delivering local video on bbc.co.uk, they haven¹t been explored because there isn¹t a remit to provide the service. It's worth stressing that the PVT referred to above covered a new £68m service which goes somewhat over and above the existing output from the regions (though I suspect extended versions of material which is edited down for broadcast would fall under that remit). As the Trust says: Within the bounds of existing service licences, the BBC offers regional news on television, local radio and local websites. Programming from the BBC's television services can be shown on the internet. Hunting through /programmes, it seems as hit and miss as suggested earlier. e.g., Points West: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9 versus Reporting Scotland: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj3s That's correct, the PVT was a new content proposal. Actually it seems as simple as Nations TV bulletins are on iplayer but the (English) Regions aren't. I think we probably need someone who has greater involvement with iplayer to be certain. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Actually I am just downloading BBC London news now. However I cannot see any other regions available on iPlayer. The usual London bias I suppose ;-) On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 18:29 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: Regions output online is somewhat hit and miss. For example an album launch I was involved with was covered on BBC London evening news - a 3/4 minute VT segment which I finally managed to beg a copy of on DVD and it was completely different from the accompanying video which ended up in a Flash player accompanying the Online articles about the album launch. (Interestingly the audio was dual mono - ambient sound on L channel and overdubbed narrator on R channel? Not sure if that was a snafu by the offline editor, but it was a very deliberate thing to do - be interested to know if that's how News archives ENG material for the double whammy of preserving a clean ambient track for B Roll or just so they can readjust the narration...) However I've seen local articles reproduced in full on the site - perhaps ours was different because there was so much footage taken live at the launch they had enough to do several videos, but I don't often see entire VTs transcoded to the web for inline players. Shame, because I quite like watching the Regions stuff (still tune in to BBC1 South sometimes for the regional news from where I used to live for a long time). I bet it'd be a workflow nightmare trying to get it all ingested properly though. Shame the BBC London news isn't encoded after the main national news broadcasts any more though, it was nice being able to watch after the main broadcast ended on the iPlayer. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Anthony McKale Sent: 23 August 2010 10:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online? Locla radio should be on iplayer -http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio Enjoy the link while you can Ant On 22/08/2010 12:10, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: Hi Jim, I believe you can often find the local news for up to one day after on the local BBC site for that region. Last time I checked (incidentally for exactly the same reason as you) it was some awful wmv or real stream in very low or extremely low quality. Local news doesn't appear on iPlayer AFAIK. No idea about redux. I personally would love to see local news on iPlayer. best Regards Phil Lewis On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:29 +, jim tonge wrote: Hi all. As the Blast tour moves around the UK, myself and my colleagues are frequently interviewed on local TV news and radio. There was a very funny appearance by a colleague yesterday I'd love to get the broadcast of... I'm pretty sure local news isn't accessible through Redux, right? Anyone got any idea how I can get access to this footage either internally or externally? Ta, Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Anthony Mckale, Senior CSD Mob : 07912981657 Internal Phone : (02 776) 64470 BBC FMT Children's, TVC East Tower, Floor 1, Room E164 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Hi Jim, I believe you can often find the local news for up to one day after on the local BBC site for that region. Last time I checked (incidentally for exactly the same reason as you) it was some awful wmv or real stream in very low or extremely low quality. Local news doesn't appear on iPlayer AFAIK. No idea about redux. I personally would love to see local news on iPlayer. best Regards Phil Lewis On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:29 +, jim tonge wrote: Hi all. As the Blast tour moves around the UK, myself and my colleagues are frequently interviewed on local TV news and radio. There was a very funny appearance by a colleague yesterday I'd love to get the broadcast of... I'm pretty sure local news isn't accessible through Redux, right? Anyone got any idea how I can get access to this footage either internally or externally? Ta, Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
So is this just going to be another region-coding like affair where 'people' release cracked firmware or just press a few magic button sequences on their remote to remove this protection? And what about those vendors who sell DVRs that have community contributed plugins (e.g. like Topfield did/does); that's just going to make a mockery of this mockworthy content protection. - Phil On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:21 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 14-Jun-2010, at 18:14, Alex Cockell wrote: So i'll have to buy box after box to watch content? doubtful. those which have been sold for FVHD already will have in-built support for the mechanism (it's specced by the ETSI DVB standards), but will likely need an update to get the decoding table. that is, unless they're going to use the same decoding table as Freesat (given the fact that it was claimed to have been generated from a large sample set in order to ensure optimal compression rates, it _should_ be)… M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] A Five year retrospective
I managed to get into a private corporate champagne buffet at InfoSec Europe/London a couple of years ago by just speaking on my mobile while I walked past the security reception. Wouldn't be quite so funny except that the reception was for invited CISSP members only and I wasn't a member or invited. The champagne always tastes better this way. - Phil Lewis On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 13:14 +0100, Soulla Stylianou wrote: fantastic story. Made me giggle. Great. How long ago was that? What did you come to see? Wonder if anyone can better it. Soulla On 6 May 2010 12:59, Jon Knight j.p.kni...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Soulla Stylianou wrote: hmm. I could see a challenge in the offing if it wasn't likely to cause security breaches. How far can one person go on either a) a bbc backstage lanyard b) a bbc backstage t-shirt. No BBC connection but a mate and I once blagged our way into a show at the NEC with a walkie talkie, a large cable crimping tool and a reel of old thick Ethernet cable. He walked ahead looking official and chatting on the walkie talkie whilst I plodded along behind with the tool in hand and the cable slung over my shoulder. Security held the barrier open for us and we just smiled and nodded as we walked through... :-) The best bit was the look one the face of one of the barcode wander who frequent such shows when he realised we had no barcodes for him to scan and thus no way for him to send us pointless spam. :-) :-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:04 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't actually start streaming (just looks like it begins to buffer, fails, then retries immediately ad nauseum). Maybe it's just your connection or the CDN flash server the your browser is directed to? It seems to work perfectly fine on iplayer and my usual iplayer recording utility. - Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:20 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 6-Apr-2010, at 22:13, Alex Cockell wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:00 +0100, Fearghas McKay wrote: Nope - just voted to send it to the committee stage tomorrow. Umm - does that mean we've lost? I *think* so. not really sure. According to this (below) it would appear that we haven't lost yet. But then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding the due process in parliament. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8605648.stm Controversial elements of the Digital Economy Bill will face further scrutiny even if the bill is passed later, Commons Leader Harriet Harman has said. - Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Programmes with audio description
Hi Jamie, I gues you specifically want /programmes to do this but (and you probably know this already) you can get this current iPlayer list from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/audiodescribed or http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/audiodescribed/list I have an iPlayer search page which can also do 'audio described' format searching by entering 'audiodescribed' into the 'Programme Version' advanced search box OR by 'Audio Described' into the 'Categories Containing' advanced search box: http://linuxcentre.net/iplayersearch Best Regards Phil Lewis On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:13 +, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Is it possible to filter /programmes for upcoming programmes with Audio description? I'd like to try downloading the audio from recordings on my Myth TV box for listening in the car. Of course, some programmes probably work well as audio only without being specifically described, so a list of programmes recommended for blind people might be a nice alternative. http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/policies/audiodescription/index.shtml says From spring 2009 you will be able to check the Programmes website to see whether a programme has audio description, but I can't see it anywhere, and I certainly can't see how to filter by it. Thanks, Robert (Jamie) Munro - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
I (maybe mistakenly) seem to remeber the original youtube HTML5 test page I saw somewhere supported Firefox 3.5. This youtube page doesn't seem to. Must be that they are using the h.264 codec which I believe Mozilla wouldn't/couldn't put into their browser. - P On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:38 +, Tim Dobson wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10438578-248.html http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-youtube-html5-supported.html http://www.youtube.com/html5 The pressure's on! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
Isn't there a flash-based forum somewhere that uses those open protocol standards like rtmpe? That way we could embed H.264 video if we wanted without fear of anyone pirating it. I would also suggest Huffman lookup tables to prevent the message index being read by non-members. We must always consider the copyright ownership and redistribution rights of the content in posts. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:11 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Matt Hammond wrote: Lets not forget to include a mandatory signup for an MSN Passport or Google account or Yahoo ID ... even just to be able to browse ;-) I think we should move all of Backstage to Facebook!!!11 Everyone uses Facebook right!??!!?!1 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Changes to the list
I should have added that you are granted 7 days to view the message and after which it will become unreadable. You also must always obtain an auth token before reading (it only lasts 30 seconds) - unless of course I choose to take my authorisation server down. I believe that this will stop undue proliferation of my message and therefore increase future message popularity and revenue. On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 15:35 +0100, Mo McRoberts wrote: On 20-Oct-2009, at 15:26, Phil Lewis wrote: [REDACTED] I’m sorry, I would have replied to your message, but it required quoting it, and I’m not sure I was granted the appropriate redistribution rights. M. Produced for the BBC Backstage Mailing List by Mo McRoberts’ fingers. © MM MMIX . All rights reserved. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] ziplayer = 3x iplayer?
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 12:49 +0100, ~:'' ありがとうございました wrote: ziplayer = 3x iplayer? a control to listen and view iplayer content at 3x speed** has anyone seen a demo? I'd like to save time reviewing occasional content before presenting it. I use get_iplayer to stream the iplayer flash content to vlc directly as follows: get_iplayer --modes=flash --player=vlc - --stream 123 then just increase the playback speed on vlc while it streams. 3x is a little too fast t comprehend IMHO - 2x is really quite good though. BTW: vlc doesn't increase the pitch of the audio, just the speed. - P regards ~: **TV Raman http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/business/04blind.html? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: Freeview HD vs existing HDMI upscaling freeview boxes (was RE: [backstage] License to Kill Innovation: the Broadcast Flag for UK Digital TV?)
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 09:54 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: ... If only I could stream BBC iPlayer direct to my TV via my Apple TV box, I wouldn't really ever need a Freeview HD box. I have created an iPlayer streaming proxy for Unix/Linux/OSX/Win32 to do just this. Not actually tried it with an Apple TV box (I don't own one) but it does stream mov, flv, mp3, aac from iPlayer flash programmes, local files and BBC live TV/radio streams. google for 'Web PVR Manager'. Specifically look at the README for examples of how to create dynamic M3U iPlayer playlists and streaming URLs based on programme names/episodes etc. I also use it to browse and stream the flash AAC live radio and listen-again (mp3,aac,real) streams to my Squeezebox and it works a treat :-) - P Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
If you ever watch the iPhone iPlayer streams they are not the same edits as the flash based iPlayer, they always appear to be from broadcast - you sometimes even get completely the wrong programme if the broadcast schedule changed at the last minute! - Phil On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 13:53 +0100, Andrew Bowden wrote: I thought most TV programmes that can be taken from master tapes are. I've never seen anything recorded off air on iPlayer, and no credit squeezes myself - even for programmes broadcast live. I just had a look at last nights Lottery draw for example and there was nothing on that, nor on Sunday's THe Big Questions. __ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Frankie Roberto Sent: 10 September 2009 13:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes Hi all, Apologies if this has been answered before, but is there any reason why the BBC iPlayer seems to only encode programmes from the live broadcast stream, rather than, say, using the actual master tapes/digital files? Sure, it might be simpler, but long-term it'd be great to use the original source. Some reasons for doing so: * occasionally the live broadcast has errors (eg loss of signal, or playout error) * you could trim the programmes more precisely - no more having to skip the last few minutes of previous programme * no more credit squeezes and continuity announcements trailing programmes that you can't actually watch * you could even produce a slightly different edit of a TV show - for example, with dramas like Doctor Who you wouldn't have text at the end saying Next week... Are there any plans for this? Seems like it'd be the obvious next step in improving the user experience of iPlayer... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 17:48 +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: snip... you could even do things like cut down the amount of trailing ahead - which surely is less required on iPlayer where people have chosen to watch something specific and are in less danger of changing channel... (You could probably shave a good few minutes off from Dragons Den in this way, which trails ahead constantly in a really annoying way). Surely a bad idea, that would just make the 'BBC News at Six' just 10 minutes long ;-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - encoding from broadcast rather than master tapes
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 20:28 +0100, Richard Smedley wrote: Phil Lewis wrote: If you ever watch the iPhone iPlayer streams they are not the same edits as the flash based iPlayer, they always appear to be from broadcast - Ah - that explains it. I use get_iplayer, which grabs the iPhone offerings :) you sometimes even get completely the wrong programme if the broadcast schedule changed at the last minute! Too true - numbers allocated to downloads seem to change by the minute :-/ I was actually referring to the BBC actually putting out an incorrect programme on the iphone - e.g. a couple of weeks ago 'Click' on the iPhone was just some news 24 coverage of an important news story - it completely missed the programme because they moved it! I think they just slice up the broadcast output according to the schedule that their software has cached. - P - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
Hi Paul, Try this: http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/station/list Where station is one of (the first part in single quotes): 'bbc_1xtra' = 'BBC 1Xtra', 'bbc_radio_one' = 'BBC Radio 1', 'bbc_radio_two' = 'BBC Radio 2', 'bbc_radio_three' = 'BBC Radio 3', 'bbc_radio_fourfm' = 'BBC Radio 4 FM', 'bbc_radio_fourlw' = 'BBC Radio 4 LW', 'bbc_radio_five_live' = 'BBC Radio 5 live', 'bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra' = 'BBC 5 live Sports Extra', 'bbc_6music'= 'BBC 6 Music', 'bbc_7' = 'BBC 7', 'bbc_asian_network' = 'BBC Asian Network', 'bbc_radio_foyle' = 'BBC Radio Foyle', 'bbc_radio_scotland'= 'BBC Radio Scotland', 'bbc_radio_nan_gaidheal'= 'BBC Radio Nan Gaidheal', 'bbc_radio_ulster' = 'BBC Radio Ulster', 'bbc_radio_wales' = 'BBC Radio Wales', 'bbc_radio_cymru' = 'BBC Radio Cymru', 'bbc_world_service' = 'BBC World Service Intl', 'bbc_radio_cumbria' = 'BBC Cumbria', 'bbc_radio_newcastle' = 'BBC Newcastle', 'bbc_tees' = 'BBC Tees', 'bbc_radio_lancashire' = 'BBC Lancashire', 'bbc_radio_merseyside' = 'BBC Merseyside', 'bbc_radio_manchester' = 'BBC Manchester', 'bbc_radio_leeds' = 'BBC Leeds', 'bbc_radio_sheffield' = 'BBC Sheffield', 'bbc_radio_york'= 'BBC York', 'bbc_radio_humberside' = 'BBC Humberside', 'bbc_radio_lincolnshire'= 'BBC Lincolnshire', 'bbc_radio_nottingham' = 'BBC Nottingham', 'bbc_radio_leicester' = 'BBC Leicester', 'bbc_radio_derby' = 'BBC Derby', 'bbc_radio_stoke' = 'BBC Stoke', 'bbc_radio_shropshire' = 'BBC Shropshire', 'bbc_wm'= 'BBC WM', 'bbc_radio_coventry_warwickshire' = 'BBC Coventry Warwickshire', 'bbc_radio_hereford_worcester' = 'BBC Hereford Worcester', 'bbc_radio_northampton' = 'BBC Northampton', 'bbc_three_counties_radio' = 'BBC Three Counties', 'bbc_radio_cambridge' = 'BBC Cambridgeshire', 'bbc_radio_norfolk' = 'BBC Norfolk', 'bbc_radio_suffolk' = 'BBC Suffolk', 'bbc_radio_essex' = 'BBC Essex', 'bbc_london'= 'BBC London',
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
This link from James Cridland also seems to confirm there was no plan to remove these streams... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/12/bbc_radio_in_iplayer_-_sounds.shtml On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 14:41 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote: Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available, but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while things are being moved around. There’s some useful background here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_radi.html On 04/09/2009 13:50, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer haven’t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I’ll give someone a nudge about getting the link removed. Gavin On 04/09/2009 12:43, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content? As an example http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/ choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Site check
Down for me too. On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:06 +0100, Ant Miller wrote: is www.welcomebackstage.com down for all you guys too? a - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Here is a follow-up: After some banging my head against a brick wall I managed to get 'Clonezilla Live' to do this automated rebuild using partclone/partimage. You just boot the USB stick and confirm 'y' twice (to be sure). It even managed to restore onto a completely dissimilar piece of hardware successfully :-) Process summary: I had to: * create a bootable Clonezilla Live USB stick (well documented) * backup all partitions to it (using 'skip' option) * boot the USB stick again and tell it to create a 'restore-zip-iso' with the image I just created * made a note of the command it says it runs to do this zip restore * rebooted same USB stick again before actually telling it to proceed (it takes ages then starts overwriting its own data etc otherwise!), * edited the syslinux.cfg file to boot-up using those command options (passed as kernel parameters). I'll post the detailed how-to to the clonezilla people because it works well nut the process isn't documented and not 'out of the box'. Thanks for all of your suggestions and advice :-) Best Regards Phil Lewis On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:57 +0100, Phil Lewis wrote: Hi Tim, I'll certainly post on how it goes when I have a satisfactory solution. The hardware is identical - which is why the re-imaging option looks better than an automated rebuild. A rebuild could typically take a lot longer to run than a re-image (assuming I don't do a byte-for-byte copy of the whole disk but use partimage or similar). Best Regards Phil On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:27 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Umm yeah I can probably sort of help. One of the projects I'm working on is a customised version of Ubuntu 8.04 (LTS is a good idea!) that in theory you can use to easily install Ubuntu server with an asterisk voip server and a web UI for configuring it. There's some quite good wiki page on this subject: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization (that's the page for desktop installations - what I'm doing wiki ubuntu server is a bit different) Essentially there are two steps: * create a customised ISO * put the customised ISO on a usb stick and make it work. As we've been finding the second step quite difficult, we've been concentrating on the first step and testing the first bit on CDs - there's no need to complicate things further at this stage. Customising the install process is in theory fairly easy, unfortunately, I had quite a few issues getting the Ubuntu-keyring package to function correctly so at the moment I'm using a non-ideal solution whereby the preseed late_command runs a script to install some packages. It's still a very bad way of doing things and I'll have to go back and see what it is that wasn't quite going right to start off with. What you need is to preseed most of the Ubuntu installer (Alan linked to some good documentation here), modify the image or do something to install those extra packages and modifications, work out how to get the customised image to boot from usb correctly. Just to emphasise, I'm NOT an expert in this area, it just so happens I've been banging my head about this sort of thing for the past few weeks, so I know a little. :) Would love to hear how you get on! Tim Phil Lewis wrote: Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Some background: a primary school has asked me to design and rollout a 30-60 netbook solution for their classrooms. I am planning on an Ubuntu 9.04 build with specific educational extras. It will be somewhat customised such that the kids/teachers will find it easy to use and start apps etc (more concerned about teachers here of course). Since I'm trying to get a basic third-party commercial support contract for the setup, I want the support people to be able to tell the teachers to just insert a USB stick to reimage a laptop if required. I could go with a scripted PXE-boot based install system but given that all these netbooks will we wireless I think this would make it harder for staff if they have to find an ethernet cable before re-imaging if/when required. Also with all the (documented) tweaks to the desktop etc, PXE would be quite a tedious scripting task and probably not the best solution given that the build will be almost static. Any ideas/solutions welcome... -- Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Full details at: https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=7557331 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 11:09 +0100, Phil Lewis wrote: Here is a follow-up: After some banging my head against a brick wall I managed to get 'Clonezilla Live' to do this automated rebuild using partclone/partimage. You just boot the USB stick and confirm 'y' twice (to be sure). It even managed to restore onto a completely dissimilar piece of hardware successfully :-) Process summary: I had to: * create a bootable Clonezilla Live USB stick (well documented) * backup all partitions to it (using 'skip' option) * boot the USB stick again and tell it to create a 'restore-zip-iso' with the image I just created * made a note of the command it says it runs to do this zip restore * rebooted same USB stick again before actually telling it to proceed (it takes ages then starts overwriting its own data etc otherwise!), * edited the syslinux.cfg file to boot-up using those command options (passed as kernel parameters). I'll post the detailed how-to to the clonezilla people because it works well nut the process isn't documented and not 'out of the box'. Thanks for all of your suggestions and advice :-) Best Regards Phil Lewis On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:57 +0100, Phil Lewis wrote: Hi Tim, I'll certainly post on how it goes when I have a satisfactory solution. The hardware is identical - which is why the re-imaging option looks better than an automated rebuild. A rebuild could typically take a lot longer to run than a re-image (assuming I don't do a byte-for-byte copy of the whole disk but use partimage or similar). Best Regards Phil On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 18:27 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Umm yeah I can probably sort of help. One of the projects I'm working on is a customised version of Ubuntu 8.04 (LTS is a good idea!) that in theory you can use to easily install Ubuntu server with an asterisk voip server and a web UI for configuring it. There's some quite good wiki page on this subject: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization (that's the page for desktop installations - what I'm doing wiki ubuntu server is a bit different) Essentially there are two steps: * create a customised ISO * put the customised ISO on a usb stick and make it work. As we've been finding the second step quite difficult, we've been concentrating on the first step and testing the first bit on CDs - there's no need to complicate things further at this stage. Customising the install process is in theory fairly easy, unfortunately, I had quite a few issues getting the Ubuntu-keyring package to function correctly so at the moment I'm using a non-ideal solution whereby the preseed late_command runs a script to install some packages. It's still a very bad way of doing things and I'll have to go back and see what it is that wasn't quite going right to start off with. What you need is to preseed most of the Ubuntu installer (Alan linked to some good documentation here), modify the image or do something to install those extra packages and modifications, work out how to get the customised image to boot from usb correctly. Just to emphasise, I'm NOT an expert in this area, it just so happens I've been banging my head about this sort of thing for the past few weeks, so I know a little. :) Would love to hear how you get on! Tim Phil Lewis wrote: Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Some background: a primary school has asked me to design and rollout a 30-60 netbook solution for their classrooms. I am planning on an Ubuntu 9.04 build with specific educational extras. It will be somewhat customised such that the kids/teachers will find it easy to use and start apps etc (more concerned about teachers here of course). Since I'm trying to get a basic third-party commercial support contract for the setup, I want the support people to be able to tell the teachers to just insert a USB stick to reimage a laptop if required. I could go with a scripted PXE-boot based install system but given that all these netbooks will we wireless I think this would make it harder for staff if they have to find an ethernet cable before re-imaging if/when required. Also with all the (documented) tweaks to the desktop etc, PXE would be quite a tedious scripting task and probably not the best
[backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Some background: a primary school has asked me to design and rollout a 30-60 netbook solution for their classrooms. I am planning on an Ubuntu 9.04 build with specific educational extras. It will be somewhat customised such that the kids/teachers will find it easy to use and start apps etc (more concerned about teachers here of course). Since I'm trying to get a basic third-party commercial support contract for the setup, I want the support people to be able to tell the teachers to just insert a USB stick to reimage a laptop if required. I could go with a scripted PXE-boot based install system but given that all these netbooks will we wireless I think this would make it harder for staff if they have to find an ethernet cable before re-imaging if/when required. Also with all the (documented) tweaks to the desktop etc, PXE would be quite a tedious scripting task and probably not the best solution given that the build will be almost static. Any ideas/solutions welcome... -- Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Thnaks - I'll look into this further, but I think this and Alan's suggestion both require installation scripting of any customisations. Neither solutions allow you to image an actual hard disk image and restore it with ease. Best Regards Phil On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:16 +0100, Kevin Anderson wrote: Phil, I've just been playing with the Netbook remix via USB on an EEE 1000. Ubuntu has the Edbuntu distribution. Might be worth looking into remixing the remix, adding the Edbuntu software package with the Netbook remix. As for transferring the image, there is a USB image creator for Ubuntu that I think ships with recent versions but is available via PPA: It's explained here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles With a link from the download page: http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook I've also done it from the command line on a Mac, and it's relatively straightforward using dd. hope that helps. k On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: Hi, Does anyone here know of any open source software solution that will allow me to image an Ubuntu laptop on to a USB stick so that it can be used by a technophobic teacher to rebuild a laptop when one goes bad? The reimaging has got to be REALLY SIMPLE - e.g.: 1) Plug in usb stick 2) Power up netbook 3) Click or type 'yes' to confirm 4) Wait for a while 5) Plug out usb stick 6) Repower netbook Some background: a primary school has asked me to design and rollout a 30-60 netbook solution for their classrooms. I am planning on an Ubuntu 9.04 build with specific educational extras. It will be somewhat customised such that the kids/teachers will find it easy to use and start apps etc (more concerned about teachers here of course). Since I'm trying to get a basic third-party commercial support contract for the setup, I want the support people to be able to tell the teachers to just insert a USB stick to reimage a laptop if required. I could go with a scripted PXE-boot based install system but given that all these netbooks will we wireless I think this would make it harder for staff if they have to find an ethernet cable before re-imaging if/when required. Also with all the (documented) tweaks to the desktop etc, PXE would be quite a tedious scripting task and probably not the best solution given that the build will be almost static. Any ideas/solutions welcome... -- Phil Lewis - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] very simple re-imaging of a ubuntu build from a USB stick for schools
Hi Rich, I had a go at that - Clonezilla, although very capable, as far as I could work out, still requires quite a few user menu selections to be performed before it can restore an image - this unfortunately needs to be *completely* dummy proof - i.e. one 'yes' and then to re-image the disk. Let me know if I'm missing something here with the Clonezilla Live stuff Thanks Phil On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:47 +0100, Richard wrote: I've used Clonezilla to clone and restore machines over networks, to a central server - it really is very good. I just had a look and noticed they now have a USB boot option- and I'm thinking it probably possible to make an image of a netbook , create a bootable USB clonezilla drive, add the clone image, run a script at boot and restore the image , subject to a prompt (and then make an image of this, complete solution, to be rolled out to many usb sticks). Anyway - here's the clonezilla linky: http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/liveusb.php Rich 2009/8/7 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net Ah yes, did actually use that back in 2002 - will have another look at it - thx On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:57 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Phil, 2009/8/7 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net Thnaks - I'll look into this further, but I think this and Alan's suggestion both require installation scripting of any customisations. Neither solutions allow you to image an actual hard disk image and restore it with ease. Ah, in that case you might want to look at:- http://www.mondorescue.org/ It backs up your GNU/Linux server or workstation to tape, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R[W], DVD+R[W], NFS or hard disk partition. In the event of catastrophic data loss, you will be able to restore all of your data [or as much as you want], from bare metal if necessary. Not tried it but heard good things about it. Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
My father (who I refuse to give any tech support to) failed to install windows XP well enough to get online or have it usable for several years of attempting it several times. Every time he buys a new PC with windows pre-installed. He's been using windows heavily for 10yrs. What I'm saying is that the average user sometimes finds almost all OSes difficult if not impossible to install without some sort of tech support. On the other hand, my 6yr old son fully installed and uses Fedora 11 and is on the internet. I just gave him the DVD and told him how to get the laptop to boot from DVD. OK, I did have to install some non-default packages a few days after for him but none that were crucial. It all depends on the end user. On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 12:35 +0100, Alun Rowe wrote: Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know it’s a LOT better than it used to be but my dad still couldn’t do it. Alun On 04/08/2009 11:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: 2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk ... Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far too geeky to use still. Your final pronouncement is interesting. How can you justify it? Alun On 04/08/2009 08:13, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com http://d...@lab6.com wrote: Have you heard of Red Hat? On 4 Aug 2009, 7:02 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk http://alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: The problem with a 'free digital society' is that people need salaries. Ask the music/film industry what they think. I love the idea of utopia but we all know that unicorns don't exist, right? On 3 Aug 2009, at 20:14, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com http://d...@lab6.com wrote: Hi, What about the case fo... Alun Rowe Pentangle Internet Limited 2 Buttermarket Thame Oxfordshire OX9 3EW Tel: +44 8700 33... This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted,
Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 04:23 +0100, Nico Morrison wrote: Realised that about 30 secs after emailing, thanks for no sarcasm. I think I am surprised that Backstage is using a proprietary embedded closed-source program for this. I thought it would be an open-source app. I do not trust Google, nor Facebook, nor Microsoft, etc, etc .. I use them all - to the minimum that enables my work. For example my Gmail fowards to other accounts that I hold locally. It's always a Don't you think that they might retain your emails anyhow even when forwarded? compromise between trust, security usability. I try to spread closed-source risks. We have only to look at Geocities to see the long-term risks. They also ruled the world once. I suppose you at BBC Backstage are forced by time money constraints to employ closed-source, it is a shame. I'd still like tips on any calendar/database apps that fit into Drupal as I'm a Drupal neophyte with a real need. Regards, Nico Morrison - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ogg Theora/Vorbis and HTML5
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 01:47 +0100, Tom Fitzhenry wrote: Hey guys, Are there any plans on supporting HTML 5's video tag for iPlayer? I realise there are rights issues with some programmes and that rights holders might have problems with non-DRM solutions, but presumably there are some programmes which the BBC have full rights to. This shouldn't be a problem from a rights perspective AFAIK. Currently all web based iPlayer content (including the 3200 kbps HD streams) is delivered without any DRM. RTMP is not DRM or content protection. Supporting the video tag raises the question of which codec to use, which is difficult to answer because there is no codec that every vaguely popular browser (IE, Firefox, Safari, Opera, Chrome) supports or plans to support in the near future. IE has been silent so far (though there are DirectShow filters for Ogg Theora/Vorbis.[0]). Firefox 3.5 will support Ogg Theora/Vorbis (and cannot support H.264/AAC because of patent issues).[1] Safari will support H.264/AAC (Ogg Theora/Vorbis plugins for Quicktime exist[2]).[3] Opera will support Ogg Theora/Vorbis (I don't know if they plan to purchase licenses for its users.)[4] Chrome will support Ogg Theora/Vorbis and H.264/AAC.[5] I think users of alternative browsers (Firefox, Opera, Chrome), rather than non-alternative browsers would most appreciate video to Flash. Also, H.264/AAC cannot be supported in browsers without huge financial backing (because of patent issues), where as Ogg Theora/Vorbis is believed to be patent-free. As such, to benefit most people, I think using Ogg Theora/Vorbis would be the best choice. +1 for this. Come on beeb - at least come up with a demo page so we can give it a test! Also, why didn't Dirac make it into these browsers? It would seem like a great missed opportunity... Regards, Tom Fitzhenry Regards Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ogg Theora/Vorbis and HTML5
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 10:29 +0100, David Johnston wrote: 2009/6/18 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net This shouldn't be a problem from a rights perspective AFAIK. Currently all web based iPlayer content (including the 3200 kbps HD streams) is delivered without any DRM. RTMP is not DRM or content protection. RTMP may not be DRM, but I it's close enough to serve that purpose, and it does so rather well! IMHO, RTMP is not DRM at all. With RTMP there is no rights management, encryption, crypto signing, registration of players, conditional access, etc. OK, it is 'Digital' but that is about as close as it gets! The only purpose it seems to serve is its proprietary nature making it harder to interoperate with unless you are adobe who have not yet published the specs. However, adobe have aanounced in January that they will be releasing the RTMP specs this year some time. Maybe they are just running scared after all this HTML5/canvas threat to their dominance of the video streaming market. Maybe they see it as a threat also to their wanting to also dominate the digital TV market with flash et. al. ? Embedded ogg would lower that barrier quite significantly, something I imagine the rights-holders would not be best pleased with. The same rights holders probably didn't like VCRs either - or digital terrestrial tv broadcasting. :Phil -dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ogg Theora/Vorbis and HTML5
Thanks - I hadn't noticed they'd released it. If you read the licensing agreement first ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/rtmp/pdf/rtmp_specification_license_1.0.pdf ) then you'll probably not want to go and download the specs. There are plenty of reasons why you'd not want to download and use this adobe spec as it allegedly makes you party to their *very* restrictive license/terms of use of their patented and proprietary protocol. I thought it sounded too good to be true - i.e. unencumbered openness! I suggest reading the other reverse engineered RTMP specs out there in the net if you are interested in implementing any rtmp client or server. Will they be less trigger happy - I guess not - now they'll just claim that you broke their licensing agreement by implementing their specs even if you never read them! ~Phil On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 12:05 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/6/18 Steve Carpenter steven.carpen...@warwick.ac.uk: They released the specs earlier this week. :) http://www.adobe.com/devnet/rtmp/ Is this going to make the Adobe hounds less DMCA trigger happy against tools such as rtmpdump ? Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RDTV launched
Don't know about the costs but they use the Akamai content delivery network for the HD (and other) stuff. They use a number of other CDNs for the other flash streams also. This allows them to push the content out to caches 'nearer' the end-user so the beeb only have to upload it once. BBC HD streaming bandwidth costs must be astronomical, even with p2p support, anyone know what their useage is? Or % bandwidth they have to supply? Probably closely guarded secrets an FOI request would be needed to prise the info out heh heh. Not like the old days when the bbc real protocol mrtg stats were on a public server ;) Nico M 2009/4/18 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net: I actually downloaded the file and checked the size. I guess you could take a peak at the ethernet interface statistics on the PC using iplayer - no idea how you do that on windows though... There must be a free tool somewhere to measure network volume usage. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RDTV launched
You had also better watch out with the new HD (720p) BBC iPlayer streams I noticed the 1hr Doctor Who special notched up 1.3GB when I streamed it! Looked fantastic though :-) On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 12:13 +0100, Nico Morrison wrote: mp4 when badly setup glitches horribly on slower machines. and it isn't easy to setup well has to be checked (on a slower machine ;) this 'format competition' is boring, especially as my dongle got caught inadvertently dloading a 5min 500mB file which really annoyed me, I only get 3GB/month on it. we don't all have permanent megapipes seems to be forgotten in the techie oneupmanship stakes. public service broadcaster remember. .mkv/xvid public domain software - standardise - finito - spend time instead putting out some archive material on bbc r d would be great. There must be something on blumlein or baird heh heh. now that would be interesting. Nico M 2009/4/16 Adam Sampson a...@offog.org: Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.com writes: So if Mpeg4 isn't to your taste, you should hold out for the Ogg Theora, Xvid and WMV versions once I crank up my Quad Processor PIII Xeon box :) Looks good! It'd be nice to have a Dirac version too, if you've got some CPU time spare -- Dirac started as a BBC RD project and is supported by several free video players now, but there's not a lot of content out there using it yet... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RDTV launched
I actually downloaded the file and checked the size. I guess you could take a peak at the ethernet interface statistics on the PC using iplayer - no idea how you do that on windows though... There must be a free tool somewhere to measure network volume usage. On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 20:28 +0100, Andy wrote: 2009/4/18 Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net: You had also better watch out with the new HD (720p) BBC iPlayer streams I noticed the 1hr Doctor Who special notched up 1.3GB when I streamed it! Looked fantastic though :-) At the risk of going off topic, what did you use to measure how much bandwidth iPlayer was taking up? I only ask because a member of my family was worried about using iPlayer because they have quite a low bandwidth cap and where worried about hitting it. Their ISP doesn't to display how much bandwidth has been used, so has to guess what their remaining bandwidth allocation is then guess how much bandwidth a single iPlayer episode is going to use up. This is why we need to scrap bandwidth caps, the average person does not understand them!!! Back on topic, could anyone explain what the 3 different .mov files for the 5 min version on the FTP server are for? I can guess what uncompressed is but I haven't got a clue what the _2.mov file is. Perhaps a README[.txt] file with details of the encoding parameters of each file would be useful. And just because I'm curious could you tell us what software you use for transcoding and whether you have to do each format by hand or whether you have auto build scripts? Cheers Andy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New Blog in beta
Looks great in elinks also. On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:36 +0100, Ian Forrester wrote: Any more feedback on the beta BBC Backstage site? http://www.welcomebackstage.com Don't forget you can now finally comment and ping the new site, even the RSS works as expected. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [] private; [x] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 01 April 2009 15:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] New Blog in beta Its back up :) Be gentle you ruff lot :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 31 March 2009 17:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] New Blog in beta Ok it went down, but it will be back up soon. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 30 March 2009 22:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] New Blog in beta We wanted to share it with the community first... http://welcomebackstage.com/ Its still in beta and there will be links which point to the old site. But its live and running. We are publishing to both places but that will change once we change the backstage.bbc.co.uk domain. We decided to drop the dusty platform of Moveable type for many reasons but one of top reasons is that you can all now comment and ping on the blog entries like you do for the rest of the blogs on the planet. Don't forget if you have any suggestions for improvements = http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com which will be tied more closely into the blog soon. Otherwise lets us know what you think in the list. By the way thanks to everyone who emailed me to say they heard my question on stack overflow - http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail4044.html (question 7). Cheers Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The BBC as sheep... and irresponsible ones too
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 14:59 +, David Greaves wrote: Err, that would be the point... And given that your plot would even work, how many spods on eBay have access to a magnetic force microscope? Obviously the word spods includes BBC reporters (note, not journalist) incapable of entering wiped disc recovery scanning electron paper into Google and getting as the second hit: http://sansforensics.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/overwriting-hard-drive-data/ Which makes a mockery of the whole thing (as do any number of other references that are not obtained from companies making a living from BS). Then there is the paper (read the epilogue especially) which debunks this above linked article by the Author (Peter Gutmann) on who's out-of-date material they based it!! It was published in 1996 and the epilogue was written this year as a strong rebuttal to the sansforensics article. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html Well worth a read and very insightful... -- Phil Lewis For the lazy: The forensic recovery of data using electron microscopy is infeasible. David - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Yahoo Widget for BBC radio and Listen Again content
Hi, In get_iplayer I've used the following feed for all the channel (and category) names listed below: http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/channel/list/limit/400 Regards Phil Lewis Channels: bbc_one bbc_two bbc_three bbc_four cbbc cbeebies bbc_news24 bbc_parliament bbc_one_northern_ireland bbc_one_scotland bbc_one_wales bbc_webonly bbc_hd bbc_alba categories/news/tv categories/sport/tv categories/tv categories/signed bbc_1xtra bbc_radio_one bbc_radio_two bbc_radio_three bbc_radio_four bbc_radio_five_live bbc_radio_five_live_sports_extra bbc_6music bbc_7 bbc_asian_network bbc_radio_foyle bbc_radio_scotland bbc_radio_nan_gaidheal bbc_radio_ulster bbc_radio_wales bbc_radio_cymru bbc_world_service categories/radio bbc_radio_cumbria bbc_radio_newcastle bbc_tees bbc_radio_lancashire bbc_radio_merseyside bbc_radio_manchester bbc_radio_leeds
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
And don't forget the 'OMA DRM 2' used by iPlayer mobile. On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 12:25 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? The Adobe nonsense that iPlayer +Air uses :) Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer caching
Works on my Fedora 9 i386 system albeit at a rather slow frame rate compared to similar h264 files at full screen on the same system using xine, vlc or mplayer. On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 22:57 +, Adam Leach wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 21:06 +, Andy wrote: 2008/12/18 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv: And with Adobe's AIR on Linux. [ducks again] It's NOT on Linux. It's on 3 specific distribution versions of Linux. Fedora Core 8, Ubuntu 7.10, openSUSE 10.3 From http://www.adobe.com/products/air/systemreqs/ Ubuntu 7.10 isn't the newest version, neither is it a Long Term Support version, support for 7.10 will be terminated in April 09[1]. This rules out most Ubuntu users who will not be on this version. The newest version of Ubuntu is 8.10[2] (2 versions newer than 7.10). I don't know about Fedora or OpenSuSE, but iPlayer desktop works on Ubuntu Intepid Ibex (8.10). The BBC iPlayer desktop will probably not install on previous versions of Ubuntu as it requires Flash 10 to be installed and that was only released recently. I'm just watching Never Mind the Buzzcocks (http://tinyurl.com/5stc6v) . Shame there doesn't seem to be many programs available for download yet. I'm really impressed with the AIR client, shame you can't browse an available list of programs in the app. Thanks Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] How come more and more of my iPlayer content seems to be being served by Yahoo?
Would be even more cool if you could obfuscate the last octet in the email Received: headers :-) BTW: I like your laptop name On a more technical note: I have access to a systems and switches connected directly to the same Telia backbone/transit network and, although it isn't highly conclusive, I seem to get a small amount of consistent packet loss on that last hop to the Akamai/Yahoo machine. Here is an mtr trace (a traceroute built up over around 5000 x 1500 byte pings sent at 30ms intervals): sudo mtr 213.155.157.140 -i 0.03 1500 Matt's traceroute [v0.54] Mon Nov 3 19:33:10 2008 Packets Pings Hostname %Loss Rcv Snt Last Best Avg Worst 4. ldn-bb1-link.telia.net 0% 4932 4932 111 61 5. ldn-b3-link.telia.net 0% 4932 4932 113 85 6. unknown-213-155-157-140.yahoo.com 1% 4923 4931 212 16 OK, the packet loss is only 0.16% (if you work it out) but that is enough to give a few TCP retries which will manifest itself as slower average download speeds. Regards Phil Lewis On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 17:24 +, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/11/3 Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher, Have you checked for a trasparent proxy cache being used? Proxy Test This request appears NOT to have come via a proxy. The request appears to have originated from host 78-105-102-xx.zone3.bethere.co.uk which has ip address 78.105.102.xx Obfuscated the last octet for no real reason other than it seems to be the 'cool' thing to do :P Hmm.. cool seems to have moved into a new place these days. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc
Doesn't the BBC also derive some of it's funding from non-license fee activities? If this is the case then C4 and the BBC are both indirectly funded by the tax payer and commercial activities although in different proportions and to a different scale. Since most residents are TV license payers and the vast majority of those will be UK tax payers, I think there should also be a similar campaign for non-DRM-encumbered output on C4 also :-) After all, national DTT muxes and UHF channels don't come cheap - if they were auctioned commercially to C4 I'm sure the gov't would make quite a large amount of money in the order of billions of £s. On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:12 +0100, Brian Butterworth wrote: 2008/10/17 Kevin Hinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Iain Wallace wrote: So it looks like C4 is shareholder-free. Wow, every day is a school day. I never realised that. Even so, none of my money is going towards Channel 4 so I don't feel like it's any of my business how they digitally distribute their programming. In a sense, some of your money goes towards Channel 4 because they get free analogue spectrum in return for their public service responsibilities. Hard to say exactly what the value of that subsidy is. This isn't strictly true. Channel 4 IS a public service broadcaster, has been since the first day.For this reason they were provided with the fourth UHF channel in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland by the Broadcasting Act 1980, and granted half a Freeview multiplex by the 1996 Act. Whatever happened to backstage's OFCOM mole? He got too senior a job there! Kevin. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth NEW LOOK! http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] subtitles / closed caption data?
I'm not sure about a 'nice clean API' but I wrote up a wiki doc on downloading the iPlayer closed caption data at: http://beebhack.wikia.com/wiki/IPlayer_TV#Subtitles Regards Phil Lewis On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 16:10 +0100, Dan Brickley wrote: Hi folks What's the latest news w.r.t. chances of getting access to BBC subtitle / closed caption data via nice clean API? Particularly for news content... thanks for any pointers, Dan -- http://danbri.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC DRM iplayer mobiles etc
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 17:51 +0100, Fred Phillips wrote: Basing it on Adobe AIR is just as bad as having a proprietary BBC program running on a native Windows clone (e.g., WINE). AIR still does not support free software[1], and is as far from being platform independent as the current client is. I need to be a) running Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, or GNU/Linux, b) using an x86 compatible processor, c) using a 32‐bit (compatible) operating system. I can tell you I am not using any of the above; when will NetBSD on 64‐bit PowerPC running entirely free software be supported? I take it comes in any colour I like, as long as its black? these programmes are protected with DRM, but in a way that shouldn't affect your enjoyment of our programmes Playing devil’s advocate slightly here, but what if I enjoy watching programmes several years after they have aired? Even worse, AIR has the same restrictive EULA as flash which prohibits the use of AIR on: …on any mobile device, set top box (STB), handheld, phone, web pad, tablet or Tablet PC (other than Windows XP Tablet PC Edition and its successors), game console, TV, DVD player, media center (other than Windows XP Media Center Edition and its successors), electronic billboard or other digital signage, internet appliance or other internet-connected device, PDA, medical device, ATM, telematic device, gaming machine, home automation system, kiosk, remote control device, or any other consumer electronics device, operator-based mobile, cable, satellite, or television system or other closed system device. So forget using it with any non-licensed Linux set top box or non-MS XBMC, Freevo etc. So blatantly pro-Microsoft :-| - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
